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[@jab-alternative-248]

I wish septa extend the Subway trolly line east of 15th St on Chestnut St to Camden Like Boston doing with their trolleys right now

[@robertwoltanski4835]

I love this! First subway ride in over 47 years. Still haulin' ass down there,heh.

[@buddyclem7328]

This is the best cabview of this route I have seen! Thanks for sharing it with us!

[@OperatorLogan]

Your welcome!

[@shanayabuckery6391]

I love the trolley trains sometimes busses of course septa Cost to much money

[@shanayabuckery6391]

Thank you for sharing with us love the experience

[@ikec2894]

Takes me back to how much I enjoyed riding the trolley/subway/El as a kid

[@lamontjohnson1101]

I’m from philly and I love the trains and trolleys since I was kid 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉and still love riding on them 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@lisaheisey6168]

Being from Philadelphia, I've taken that ride so many times.

[@Razorgeist]

Ive rode the El all my life. Only rode the Subway trolleys once. Real neat to see how the tunnel works. Ill tell you one thing these things can really move.

[@OperatorLogan]

Yes they can!

[@24sweetroller7]

Really nice trolley subway ride! I liked the portion where the eastbound Market-Frankford line runs parallel to the trolley subway and then rushes past! Thanks for sharing!

[@bryancooper2699]

Great video. Bill Monahan is the man. He makes it all possible for rail fans to enjoy

[@OperatorLogan]

Thank you!

[@bryancooper2699]

@@OperatorLogan your welcome. Hope you had a nice Christmas

[@aceofspades5964]

Oh you ARE the driver! This is so cool!!!!!!!!! Glad I stumbled here

[@edwardmiessner6502]

This is quite the trolley line! There are disused branches coming into and going out of the tunnel and the stations are long enough for multi-unit trolley trains, something the MBTA has been deploying for ages. C'mon SEPTA, restore those branches and up your game!

[@transittoronto]

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing! I visited the city in October 2015 and got to ride this, the Darby extension of the 13 (I think that's the route), the Norristown line, and the Media line. I would definitely love to come back to ride some more.

[@Poisson4147]

SEPTA has partly emasculated the NHSL. Top speed has been reduced from 70 mph to 55 mph, there's a slow order on the long straight stretch north of Hughes Park*, and they eliminated the flag stops that were the major reason the line was so fast. (*) I'll grant that the slow order's probably not SEPTA's fault. That area is honeycombed with sinkholes.

[@jayo1212]

Like the improved lighting! Wish we could get as good of a view along the BSL...

[@wholefoodsdenmark]

SEPTA seems so similar to the MBTA to me. - SEPTA subway-surface trolleys = The MBTA green line - SEPTA BSL = MBTA orange line - SEPTA MFL = MBTA red line - PATCO = MBTA blue line Like the layout, function, and types of places that they service are crazy similar.

[@mtatransitfan1797]

2 Are Wrong, Patco high speed line is red line and Market Frankford Line Is Blue Line

[@wholefoodsdenmark]

@@mtatransitfan1797 Concerning color yeah. I think MFL is more like the red line though because it crosses through the city, and goes to University city on one end. I think Patco is more like the blue line because it doesn’t cross all the way through center city, just goes one direction to some lesser traveled to suburbs, and also it gets you to the aquarium

[@PhillyBagel]

The Green Line in particular was directly taken by David Gunn who spent time as the GM of both agencies. Before that, purple was used for the subway-surface lines.

[@s.s.99]

SEPTA and MBTA also sport trolley buses. Two of the few that still do

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Huh? The Market-Frankford Line is more like the MBTA Blue Line and the PATCO is more like the MBTA Red Line. Now if the Norristown High Speed Line is extended to and integrated into the PATCO line and the southwestern suburban light railways extended from the 69th Street terminal to the trolley subway the analogy would be complete.

[@harrydonahue1657]

Great tour of the trolley subway, Logan. To bad you are too young to have done this same trip on a fast PCC Car like 2168.

[@Stussmeister]

Very interesting. Though I've lived near Philly pretty much all my life, I've only taken the bus a few times, and have yet to use the trolleys/subways or the Market-Frankford El. I do, however, sometimes see the subway entrances when walking around the city.

[@timosha21]

Chuga Choo Choo! I'm a train and I approve this video :D

[@kevinhoward9593]

The trolleys and the EL used to surface at 24th Street (where the PECO building sits now). The tunnels under the river and onward was built in the 50s. The trolleys used to ride down Woodland Ave.

[@Tony-ku5oq]

No, I thought the tunnels were part of President Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930's. If you look closely you can see the tunnels were built in 1932!

[@iantucker2310]

How’d they build the tunnels under the river??

[@kevinhoward9593]

@@iantucker2310 the tunnel was built in the late 1950s. it was built at the same time as the trolley tunnel to 40th.

[@briantorres7339]

@@kevinhoward9593 also, the EL had to be re routed from just past Girard Ave, to 2nd and Market when I-95 was built. It ran above ground to just before Front and Arch before going underground and making that tight turn to 2nd Street Station. They built the tunnel at Race Street first, then did the rerouting. Also, Spring Garden Station replaced the Fairmount station at that time too. It’s also one of only 5 island platforms on the EL. I believe it was around 1977. The current 1997 Adtranz cars, like the trolleys, are due for replacement and apparently 2027 replacements should be coming. Much needed too.

[@matty2128]

Honestly, amazing footage!

[@OperatorLogan]

Thank you!

[@transitdude3352]

Awesome views! Loved seeing extra side entrance after fifteenth street. Hopefully that’s a new extension to Chinatown/Convention Center.

[@OperatorLogan]

That would be cool!

[@trainzandplanes522]

These trolleys sound really cool 😎

[@jab-alternative-248]

If septa extended the trolley east of 13th St the stops would be 11th St, 8th St, 5th St, 2nd St, Adventure Aquarium, Cooper, City Hall, Broadway Portal, Transfer to the river line on the left side of the station Benson, Newtown, Pine, Spruce, Park, Wildwood And Kaighn Loop Between Broadway Portal and Kaighn Loop It would be Streetcar (Since I Like streetcars and Elevated line) But this would Probably Never happen. If this did happens the NJT Route 403 and 451 Would be Cut Back to Haddon Av and Kaighn Av And Hassan Av and Kaighn Av Bus stop would be renamed Kaighn Loop which means Route 403 and 451 would turn around

This is even cooler than the subway ride.

[@mattc528]

woa this is a awesome trolley route. Interesting tunnels parts of tunnels not even used or abandoned

[@Lansdowne11]

Great video. I haven't been out there for a long time. Nice to see what has changed and what hasn't.

[@catvoncrimson666]

That thing is fast!

[@LibertyRailfan]

Very cool video Logan, thanks for the ride!

[@OperatorLogan]

Thank you and anytime :)

[@kylesheaff7779]

This reminds me of a trolley video on dvd

[@mstingle6944]

I always wanted to travel different cities😊

[@mstingle6944]

This is so cool I never been on a trolley subway before

[@rikardlalic7275]

Logan's Run 🙂😉

[@TajmirTheRandomFan]

I would catch the trolley when I go to work.

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

Now westbound to west Philadelphia

[@Bomb_Productions17]

I Love your Video Keep it up

[@rikardlalic7275]

Very nice, very interesting. Thank you.

[@RedArrow73]

If only Mitchell Marmel was here to correct me . . . I believe, as built, the trolley track going around City Hall was originally the outside track, after 15th St., as the El formerly went around City Hall on the inside track, which it appears the trolleys took over.

[@Bomb_Productions17]

Trolley I love also there trains

[@libertubey2199]

Great video. I wished you could have showed a 10 either going up or coming down the ramp where it either merges with or breaks away from the other trolleys.

[@OperatorLogan]

Maybe in future, not sure the timing with it.

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

18:43 33rd street station

[@JoyannaDavis]

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[@OperatorLogan]

Thank you for the support! My videos have gotten much better i believe

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

11:51 last stop 13th-Market center city Philadelphia

[@briantorres7339]

Sadly, Septa is replacing all the Kawasaki LRV’s by 2027. Alstom got the contract to build the new low floor ADA compliant LRV’s. Only one of the Kawasaki’s was wrecked. They and the also same era Kawasaki cars for the Broad Street Line. They proved reliable. The Red Arrow double end Kawasaki LRV will be replaced too.

[@zazaranger5]

I think they’re supposed to have pantographs instead of poles as well

[@OperatorLogan]

It’s vary sad, Kcars are one of the most well designed rail vehicles in transportation history. They will get long articulated light rail cars, cut back service witch will be the worst choice. Service drives demand, no one wants to wait 10+ minutes for their transportation.

[@johnfenlon458]

And another 18:35 / 24:21 on the right side they still abandoned their long time They should rebuild track on. Let me know. Thanks.

[@Beerman111980]

Wish they hadn't built the tunnel with such sharp turns. They're gonna have a hard time getting the new trolleys through there but I guess if they're articulated it might work

[@OperatorLogan]

The way it was built isnt the problem, it was built as such to connect key parts of philly, Plus when build, the technology and such was different so they did when they could at that time. On another note, the new cars they are supposed to get are not being specifically designed for Philly, with this they will not preform up to par. Thats why the Kcars have been successful

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

5:28 33rd street station

[@danielpedricothe2nd376]

MFL AND Trolleys In Nutshells

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

7:47 22nd street station

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21:11 36th street station

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2:23. 37th street station

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3:15. 36th street station

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

16:26 22nd street station

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

13:50 15th street station

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8:43 19th street station

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6:34 30th street station

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9:59 15th street station

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17:34 30th street station

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15:19 19th street station

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

0:31 40th street

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24:06 40th street end of video

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

12:41 13th-Market

[@dwdwone]

Is that the main subway running parallel to the trolley subway?

[@OperatorLogan]

Yes

[@Tony-ku5oq]

No its the el train, the main trains is the Orange line or subway. The El which runs along side of the trolleys is lighter in weight than the Orange line trains..

[@josephheston9238]

They still use those switches to switch the track? I thought the Vetag does the switching.

[@OperatorLogan]

I believe it was V Tag but they went back to the old way for a couple reasons.

[@adenphilipwhite]

A new track and tunnel is being build?

[@OperatorLogan]

No, it’s a dead track.

[@cartographer29]

What's top (regular) speed in the tunnel?

[@OperatorLogan]

The speed is regulated by CBTC ( Computer Based Train Control ) with a max speed of 35.

[@Bomb_Productions17]

I tokk trolley before it was to good to be true

[@SamSitar]

what's that wide space after city hall? at 12:55 where does the blocked track go? at 13:35 i see an open gate. where does that go?

[@colamations5066]

the 1st is actually a spur track that is used to park occasional stranded or dead trolleys. The track was recently disconnected from the main line due to unsuccessful attempts to tie it into the trolleys' communications-based train control signaling system

[@adenphilipwhite]

Do the train operators and trolley operators rotate or it's separate divisions?

[@OperatorLogan]

Different divisions, different rules, cars, signals, track, ex. Even the Sharon Hill line is different from Subway Surface lines.

[@ChrizKeyz]

Logan! Wait you in philly rn?

[@OperatorLogan]

Yes actually, but not on transit.

[@mjtunstall1976]

where is the place? im pretty sure thats in new yoek tunnels?

[@samuelbennie7690]

Philadelphia

[@mjtunstall1976]

oh philly! yep looks like it to me, nice viewing

[@munamaltiti1100]

Is that Trolley 13?

[@OperatorLogan]

36

[@wilsonw8513]

What is the purpose of that empty pocket track space near 15th St Station? Is it abandoned?

[@OperatorLogan]

Old pocket track I believe

[@harrydonahue1657]

The old pocket track coukd hold 2 cars. If you had a breakdown you coukd push the dead car in there so you could keep service going. The shop crew could then

[@harrydonahue1657]

come back at nite and take the desd car out. This worked well for over 100 years. Then the "tech" guys installed the cab signaling computers , which cannot distinguish the dead car in the pocket track, so they have shut down the entire subway and detour all thd 5 routes onto the surface diversion route, even in the middle of rush hour. And they call this progress.....lol

[@postalfnj]

I don't see anyone getting on the train

[@qolspony]

The video shows how much faster metros are to light rail. And this is a faster than usual than light rail, because it runs in a subway. So why America continues to build new light rail lines as it primary mode of transit?

[@OperatorLogan]

It’s better then nothing, and private ROW is still just as fast as subways/metros.

[@qolspony]

@@OperatorLogan When they are elevated.

[@charlesmcwilliams5642]

Don’t all stations have special needs provisions…..elevators for handicapped individuals???

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

SEPTA the worst regional transit authority

[@OperatorLogan]

I don't think SEPTA is as bad as some of the others

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

@@OperatorLogan just the way the board of commissioners is made up. Its why good ideas like the Roosevelt extension are shot down and bad ones like the KOP Mall high speed line are green lit

[@Poisson4147]

Check out MBTA - "Mucho Bad Transit Attitude". Three times SEPTA's funding but even more problems, if that's possible.

[@adenphilipwhite]

The MTA in new York the lies and deceit with delays and the crime with the homeless and mental health is in on a different stratosphere

[@abdur-razaaqclarke5932]

22:15 37th street station