Serato Boxes Are Dead, and That's a Problem | Beatsource Tech

[@DocFUNKist]

One of the MAJOR reason these interfaces are so important… they allow the use of ANALOG mixers… 🔥

[@dr0n3account34]

100% THIS! I run a Xone 92 with an SL3 and I don't want to buy a different mixer. This is the set-up I want. Glad Mojaxx made this clip. The limited selection of DVS boxes does my head in...

[@DJFeelsGoodman]

@@dr0n3account34 same here but with an SL4

[@peteblay86]

yep still running a PMC-50a, use it with an SL3 and phase

[@RobinsonBaseball]

DJM-600 and SL2 box....and just picked up a Rev1....and makes you update 2.5.9....but SL2 box won't run....so basically my technics 1200 decks and Pioneer DJM600 mixer are being replaced by....a $250 "toy controller"

[@DocFUNKist]

@@RobinsonBaseball get ready to cry… you will never feel it again…

[@hardkore360]

100% agree, these legacy items deserve continuous support for the loyal customers that already have invested in the hardware.

[@gtvwill]

So much lulz...that "loyal" customers keep supporting closed source for profit companies. Like ffs they don't give two tits about you...go dump your funds into something open source that exists for the community not for some shareholder.

[@jimboblivesforever]

@@gtvwill Too bad though that the one open source DJ software that could even remotely be considered a contender just isn't good enough for anyone interested in DJing instead of DJ software. Try flexible beatgridding or using a jog wheel properly with it. One doesn't exist and the other one is terrible. And let's not even mention it requiring js skills if you want to setup a custom controller properly or modify a mapping.

[@teamloony]

Totally agree, I would even consider a small fee for an updated driver once a price of kit is discontinued. Hardware can cost 100s of £s and to know that the clock is ticking from the moment you invest you’re cash is a bit kak.

[@hardkore360]

@@gtvwill open source DJ controllers? yeah good luck with that... we all understand that it's business but they are just shooting themselves in the foot in the long run

[@hardkore360]

@@teamloony this seems like the best alternative! charge a small fee for an update/driver to existing hardware, I see it as a win-win for both parties

[@ghostnotesaj282]

This is a conversation I have had with many musical instrument/ dj equipment supplies in Australia mate, I’ve even spoken to people at serato… it’s a very real problem for most regularly working multi venue Djs that I know, some who’ve been forced to update Macs and now can’t work in certain venues who don’t have current gear. Thank you for making our voices heard Mojaxx, you’re an absolute legend. 🙏🏻

[@mcilrain]

I'm running Xwax on a netbook from the 00s. The only person making you upgrade is you.

[@DrAlfredScott]

At least in Chicago, many of the bars/clubs I've played at have a SL4 that lives in the booth and with many DJs relying on that box to be there every night, they might mistakenly update their Serato or buy a new computer and not be able to play. With my current set up, I'm not able to update my computer or Serato because if I do one more update, I'll lose compatibility with my SL4 which I spend nearly $1,000 on a few years ago. I realize it's old tech but then like you said Mojaxx, make something new! Well said sir. Thanks for the videos, keep them coming!

[@pepedlux]

So glad someone is talking about this!! For me the best part about DVS was being able to integrate my setup into whatever existing equipment was already installed at the club REGARDLESS OF HARDWARE, and I knew I always had the freedom to do that because of my standalone audio interface. If I want to spin on a Xone: 92 or a rotary mixer or even a digital mixer whose firmware is out of date, I never had to worry about compatibility because my sound card was always in my bag. 1200s in the club? Older CDJs at a mate's house? No problem at all. Just pop in the appropriate control media and I'm up and running in minutes. Really hope someone steps up to fill this gap in the market.

[@jackswallow3769]

Ohhhhhh my god, so so so glad to see someone talk about this. I have spent hours on the phone to Serato and Apple on this. There is no solution for turning up to the club with a laptop and a Serato box and be sure you can jump on. I have literally said - what am I supposed to purchase next - I'll do it and there is nothing. I live and DJ in London and there is ZERO chance I'll be buying a controller and ZERO chance I'm carrying a mixer around nightclubs!???!? are you mad? Madness. MADNESS.

[@eskei83]

Serato should make an expansion so you can use external soundcards. job done

[@AmbientWanderer]

good call. we'd have endless options then.

[@scottclyke167]

You hit the nail on the head man! Been with Serato from jump, but dropping support for these boxes is dropping support for longstanding loyal customers who have kept up with the ever changing technology. Give us one thing that won't be come obsolete!!! PLEASE!!!

[@DJDiskmachine]

This is why manufacturers when they decide to end-of-life hardware should be legally required to open source their firmware. This would enable enthusiasts to port firmware to newer OSes

[@elephantgrass631]

Yeah and watch how quickly ZERO companies will make hardware and software companies will stop making software for it. You want the government to enforce such rules? Be careful what you wish for.

[@DJDiskmachine]

​@@elephantgrass631 what do you mean by "making software for it"? What does the 'it' part of this sentence refer to? Companies not continuing development of a product is the definition of end-of-life, the calculation being that at this point a company no longer will turn a profit for continuing firmware support. Your comment smells of the typical America-centric laissez-faire mentality where all companies should be allowed to wreak any amount of havoc without any level of regulation, change my mind.

[@elephantgrass631]

@@DJDiskmachine “wreak havoc”??? 🤣🤣🤣. Calm down bro. Its only DJ gear. You want the government to regulate DJ gear? And I’m not going to try to change your mind just because you think you’re the Crowder of DJs.

[@DJDiskmachine]

​@@elephantgrass631 nope, I want end-of-lifed products to have open sourced firmware, like I said. It's "only dj-gear" that could have utility way beyond the life companies determine they can make a profit from it. Not only could make peoples lives richer for longer, but could also reduce the dreaded mountains of e-waste. Look at products such as the MPC1000, a product deprecated by Akai since well over 10 years has retained its second-hand value due to the continuation of the third-party fw JJOS.

[@elephantgrass631]

@@DJDiskmachine No dude, YOU want the firmware of EOL hardware to be to open source by GOVERNMENT MANDATE. If you understood with even a clue about game theory, you’d know that you would end up with zero digital products because you’ve just added a ton of risk to making something. Product didn’t work out for any reason whatsoever? TOO BAD. “You are required by law to give everyone the firmware that you spent time and money on. It is no longer yours. Sincerely, the government.”

[@christianloffler4340]

I'm thankful that someone like you shouts this matter and sincerely hope your words will get heard! Thank you

[@emiliostavrou]

So glad you posted this! I had this exact rant 2 months ago and ended up spending crazy money on a DS1 off eBay from Japan. I have a totally redundant SL4 which I also spent about £600 on only a year ago. Why does someone need to make another interface when the Rane ones already exist? This is on Serato and Rane to make the existing ones compatible. People shouldn’t have to buy another one! I’ve also always wanted Serato to open up compatibility with external interfaces for people wanting high end sound. I currently use Serato with a Mastersounds Radius Valve and the DS1 just isn’t a good enough sound card. This is on Serato, come on guys!

[@pannonianbrute]

I share your pain…..A reasonably well-built preamp like the one in your Mastersounds will immediately expose the Serrato for the tinny-sounding piece of junk that it truly is.

[@NickSpinelli]

I stand with Mojaxx on this!!!

[@RobAlahn]

There is certainly money to be made manufacturers! I’d buy it today!!! It’s essential kit for my backpack. You can’t always know what’s in the dj booth before you get to a gig. But the peace of mind having one of these with me was priceless. PLEASE make a new one!

[@TheDjgiz8]

This is why I won't upgrade to the current version of Serato. I have 2 SL3 boxes and would certainly buy an updated one that is compatible with the current DJ Pro version.

[@QooleeKid1]

Yup and I still carry my Denon DS1 to every gig!

[@leebrownncl1198]

Not a serato user but surely the answer to your problem is carry a usb of tracks, then if you can’t play your laptop, plug it into the cdjs and you’re sorted. Any club will have some 2000s or better in the booth.

[@djfatbeatsakatragedy2742]

Big respect to Mojaxx talking about this. I didn’t know about this until he posted this video. I use DJM450 and SL3. I don’t need any mixer with lots of que pads, which is not my style.

[@dj_chillzo]

Well said. I agree with all the supporting comments. Please follow up when the need is answered.

[@lenardchristian6567]

You are spot on. This is devastating. A manufacturer has to make a interface. Me need a next generation SL Box. I am a rotary mixer user. The better mixers require a interface to work with DJ software.

[@pannonianbrute]

God is obviously punishing you for using DJ software on a rotary. Unless it is an entry-level omnitronic, why pay the premium for the quality preamp in a rotary mixer if you are going to be playing crappy files?

[@docboy989]

@@pannonianbrute why the hell do you think you can judge the files he plays? Maybe he plays both Vinyl and Digital releases?

[@johnnylouys6490]

FURIOUSLY AGREEING WITH THIS! ITS BEEN ON MY MIND FOR THE LONGEST SINCE READING THE BOXES ARE NOT BEING SUPPORTED!!!

[@JYMBO]

I think It's a vicious cycle between DJ's, Clubs & Companies... The DJ's want companies to make DVS boxes so we can use the clubs equipment but The Clubs are starting to get used to DJ's bringing their own equipment (controllers) so they don't have to spend money on buying/fixing/replacing it, meanwhile The Companies want both the club to upgrade all their equipment to the latest tech every year & simultaneously want DJ's to buy the latest controllers... so the companies are almost incentivized to phase out DVS precisely BECAUSE they know so many DJ's need it, they are strangling us into buying more expensive equipment to compensate.

[@TempaDj]

Exactly This, it's a shame, we need a company that doesn't make controllers to make a DVS box!

[@fathomdj]

very true. venues are getting used to djs bringing gear and its unfortunate because they dont want to compensate enough. they barely want to maintain a budget for entertainment at all.

[@gtvwill]

@@TempaDj You can use any audio card with enough IO.....if you don't use software like serato. Its not the hardware that doesn't exist...its just that companies like serato dont want you using what they don't make profit off, aka serato only gonna work with dvs from licensed hardware because....well no other reason other than serato wants to make fat profit off your back. TBH your just better off supporting software that is less shit on these fronts. Go geez mixxx....if it lacks any funct your after...learn to code or throw some dollars at the devs. If all you kents who wasted coin on the big companies just to get locked into a money pit went and supported shit like mixxx. Serato would be out of business.

[@anttiskate]

I have to point out that a lot of the venues I play, are small bars or restaurant who are not in the position to invest thousands into DJ equipment, nor are the necessary space for a gargantuan DJ mixer (Rane 70 series, DJM S11). That’s a lose lose proposition for the small time DJ. You either ask for more money, or the venue makes an investment. The likelihood of either one happening is slim. Especially because of covid’s affect on tye restaurant industry.

[@fathomdj]

@@anttiskate equipment is tax deductible. And there’s tons of used pieces on the market and payment plans. Some of these spots stop paying for marketing and expect us to market. We are doing a lot more than djing these days. Yes covid is a fair cause, but lots of excuses have always been in play, before the pandemic.

[@joelittorres]

You hit this conversation on the spot.

[@joshuajghill]

Thank god someone is talking about this issue, outside the Serato forum. I feel like I'm forced to switch to a DJ controller but I love my analog mixer and SL1200s. Also, I know this sounds silly, but I would have to get a smaller couch if I get a (bigger) digital mixer that IS supported. I'm currently using an old SL interface but my old laptop finally stopped working well enough to run the (very) old Serato version I was using. I need to get a new laptop and a new SL interface so I can continue playing. I can get an SL4 from a friend but it's not supported on either M1 macs or Windows 11. And indeed, every single interface, including the Denon one has been discontinued. I'm a Serato fan, but it looks like I'm forced to switch to something else if there's no new audio interface for Serato (or Serato support for existing audio interfaces).

[@the_iLLipino]

Buy a refurbed mac that holds whatever os still works with scratch live

[@TheRealDjElite]

Mahalo (Thanks) for bringing this up and aloha from Honolulu, Hawaiʻi. 🤙🏽 So I purchased the Denon DJ DS1 in Feb 2021 when I couldn't find any Serato boxes, and eight months later, I found out the Denon box was discontinued. I was pretty disappointed; however, I'm still glad that it's still able to utilize the new Serato DJ Pro releases. I have my Technics SH-EX1200 with Innofader, my Vestax PMC 06-Pro-VCA with innofader, and finally, my 'newer' DJ-Tech TRX Thud Rumble with innofaders. I use them for performances in the studio and at events. I'm an old-school local scratch DJ champion that doesn't really feel the need for the extra bells and whistles of the push-button mixers that average near $1KUSD - $2KUSD. There is a Numark Scratch two-channel DJ mixer for Serato DJ Pro that goes for $500USD, but heck, I've got enough mixers as is.

[@falkorock]

I total agree! Thanks to Mojaxx for bringing the topic up! It would be great to get the SL boxes supported again. It’s not necessary to make new boxes, if the the gorgeous old ones can be used on modern SeratoDJ Versions!

[@anthonyjames4968]

Totally agree sl box is absolutely essential for me

[@DJEAZYB]

I switch my SL3 for a 2nd hand DS1 a few years back. The main reason being the DS1 is USB "Class Compliant". I knew this day would come 😪

[@dannybrookings9112]

I stumbled upon this video, literally right after looking for a box to buy and was shocked to find that they have been disconnected! Yes, those boxes are needed!

[@jonathanbross]

Totally agree! I was devastated when my SL4 box which was very expensive was no longer compatible with Serato and current MacOs versions. Being able to bring legacy DJ gear back to life was a beautiful thing connecting the old and new. I have a SL2, SL3 & SL4 all dead. And I would still use them today if they were compatible. Traditionally DJ gear was about combining different equipment from manufacturers that the individual DJ prefers. These boxes allow that type of world to still exist, where everything doesn't exist in one bubble of Pioneer or Rane. Being able combine gear from different manufacturers is healthy for innovation and healthy for DJ culture long term.

[@yao937]

So gangsta how they sell you pricey, built to last equipment and then stop supporting them rending everything obsolete. Specially considering the current state of the world it s just criminal!

[@hearmenow909]

One of the many downsides to owning a Mac. A trendy laptop isn't necessarily the most functional.

[@the_iLLipino]

Just keep a laptop with the older os on it. Or I think there's a way to partition different os to load which one you need. I know at least for now you can still get refurbed macbooks from 2013

[@lazyi6356]

I've been sitting on a ds1 forever, because I knew it would make a viable backup for my sl3. I'm so glad I didn't upgrade my os and lose compatibility yet. I agree whole heartedly that we need a serato audio interface & one that isn't software specific.

[@DJDynamight]

Thank you for raising this topic. Since recently updating my laptop to to macOS Catalina because the latest version of Serato DJ longer supports Mojave, I did not try connecting my Rane SL3 until you just mentioned it in this video. I am shocked to see that Serato stopped supporting this device after Serato DJ 2.5.5. I occasionally use my DJM-909 and SL3 with Serato DJ - apparently my only option is to install Serato DJ 2.5.5 separately for that use case.What a nuisance! There absolutely needs to be an interface to fill this void - preferably with Core Audio drivers that is future proof. I will gladly buy it.

[@petew8279]

Your absolutely right , I’m surprised know one has spoke on this sooner..

[@bernercalito8422]

Agree those SL BOXES really came in handy on older equipment. I had to downgrade the Serato software just to use my SL 2 but that just me.

[@djcruza]

You're not the only one. I keep an older version separately on my laptop, just so that I can use my SL2

[@moebetta72]

Videos like this continues to confirm why I chose Traktor waaaaay back when they were the Software for Final Scratch.

[@oijimmyslay]

Found an SL3 Box in a bag on the street back in 2013, used it for every gig I did for the best part of a decade - one of the luckiest experiences of my life! From crappy bars, to big festivals - there’s always been a need for a backup - and the SL3 was flawless, particularly when presented with Allen & Heath mixers for example which happens quite frequently. I really dislike the way the industry is moving into “controller” territory, I think it’s bound to encourage venues to skimp on vital equipment in favour of DJ’s bringing their own, which is going to lead to disparity in quality - plus an added pressure for those starting out to bankrupt themselves buying flash gear to keep up or meet the standard set by more established DJ’s. I sold my SL3 a couple of months back now, it was truly a sad moment - a lot of history hidden within that little blue box.

[@MCjonas]

Came here on my search for a solution to this problem. At least now I know there isn’t one. Agree 1000%, thanks for the video.

[@bingfulcrum]

I still use my OG SL3 box because I still love my Rane Empath mixer (the preamps!). Also, I've also found that whenever I've recorded a mix done on a controller, rather than on my Empath+SL3, it doesn't sound as good: the SL3 preamps have a "sound" that I love. (Your milage may vary.) (Yes, this is when I use real records rather than control vinyl.)

[@d-razethesouljunkie6695]

We need a solution ASAP, thank you for you speaking out Mojaxx!

[@DJOptimusFunk]

I'd buy this in a heartbeat. As others have said, it's an invaluable piece of kit when a Serato compatible mixer isn't available.

[@markanthonylizama6809]

Seriously!! Yes the interface boxes are tools. It's like having a paint sprayer but no air compressor. Keeping the interface allows us to have a back up tool!

[@Nick_B_88]

You are 1000% right - we def need the boxes back! But you forgot to mention that they were also THE CHEAPEST way to get a scratch live or serato dj dvs setup, which is a huge plus for beginners and amateurs who just don't have enough money or don't want to spend so much on a mixer with a built in serato audio interface. As for me I sold my SL4 last year after moving on a M1 Pro MBP with Monterey and got myself a Rane 70 which is superdope when you are at home. But it is a real problem when you plan to rock a gig at some small bar and don't want to bring such a big and heavy thing with you. That's why I also have an AKAI AMX which is nice, but I'm really missing that SL interface, it's versatility and small size ..

[@sonidosoundwaves]

I agree with you buddy, l use a Denon ds1 interface that got damaged two weeks before my first gig of the year, and looking to buy it (at least a used one) couldn't find one!!! Fortunately, my audio tech fixed my ds1 before my gig! What a shame those companies are not manufacturing them anymore

[@la_clave]

Thank you so, so much for this Mojaxx! You truly nailed it and took the words out of my mouth. The ONLY thing I would say in addition is… I hope this next-gen SLbox would be 3 or 4 channel so we can record our mixes and have additional channel(s) for HID decks or whatever. I like that you mention Reloop, they do seem like the most likely candidate and I have faith they would do this right.

[@Varietea]

Yes, totally need this product! Manufacturers take note! 🎶👍

[@djmacatack]

DVS boxes were the core link between vinyl and digital DJs to make that transition. To not have a single active product now is a damn shame. I know a person that refuses to move from his DJM-909, now he will be left behind because of this.

[@BobBenz55]

I'm still using SL4 with my DJM909 👍

[@jwehler1019]

Im glad someone is speaking out about this!!

[@bermudatrianglefiest]

Fully agree. I have a serato ready Mixars Duo mixer, but I run two parties on the same night, so I use my SL3 box at the second spot. I used an SL1 box until it was outdated (no more Serato Scratch), and now I will never sell my SL3 box. It has saved my ass in many occasions.

[@beatvillainz]

Yeah DJ City and Beatsource ; get on this and go make us a next generation Serato interface!

[@djeighty8421]

Thank you for bringing this up!!! I was just looking for one and so upset that I couldn't find a SL box or even a ds1. It's sickening. I need one so bad for my analog mixers. I still have my SL1 and now I am in a position to never sell it because if I do I will lose the ability to use multiple mixers. It's ridiculous!!

[@christophermiel]

I have a Denon DS1 I never used bcs the license which cost me so much is not transferable and i switched back to Traktor. Contact me and we could make a deal (living in Germany).

[@hyharmon]

Well said. I hope an approach is taken to address this.

[@MyAlteredSoul]

Hopefully Serato listens. They haven’t paid attention to the threads on their forums from customers about this for the past couple years (previous to the boxes being discontinued we were requesting interface unlock).

[@hyoobeezhouse]

+💯 I just fired up my DS-1 last weekend and had a great time with my old Rane battle board. This needs to happen!

[@borndfono]

Seratos policy with locking the software to specific interfaces (recently only build in mixers and controllers) was the reason I left Serato after almost 10years as a fulltime working DJ

[@domt5298]

what do you use now?

[@mazusub8182]

Yes!!!! I WILL BUY IT LIKE YESTERDAY ALREADY!!! … I own a SL3 box, Rane 62, DDJ 1000 SRT, Rane One , Rev 1 and Rev 7 and I WILL STILL BUY THAT NEW BOX BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT FOR DIFFERENT GIGS SESSIONS AT DIFFERENT PLACES FOR PORTABILITY ON THE GO!!!

[@FilippoCarrux]

And also I remember the quality of the SL4. 4 decks with traktor, 5th for ableton, incredible low latency and incredible sound quality.

[@wo2746]

Finally someone is talking about this. I bought a DJM 750mk2 and was so disappointed that I need a box to use Serato and the boxes are on their way out.

[@la_clave]

The 750MK2 would be the perfect mixer for me if it were Serato DVS compatible. Shame it isn’t

[@wo2746]

@@la_clave I agree

[@kimmietrailz4893]

Totally agree! This is an absolute nightmare... I'd been using the Sl1 since it first came out - I never had the need to upgrade to SL2, SL3 or SL4. The SL1 always worked perfectly for my needs. I dj'd weekly at a club up until the CV-19 lockdowns closed the doors of the club. Fast forward 2.5 years and the club is opening back up, and I have been asked to return to my weekly gig. I set up my gear to knock the cobwebs off only to find out my SL1 is no longer supported. Very disappointed! The only option is to buy one of these new fangled controllers or a new mixer? That is a bunch of BS!! As much as I do love Serato - I may have to jump ship... this is a fatal flaw in how they do business. What's next? After I purchase a new fangled controller/ mixer they will just decide to not support that hardware either? It seems a viscous cycle that will never end. I hope the brainiacs over at Serato are listening!!

[@djgmcswiss]

You still right....nice

[@LeonBaldock]

Really pleased you are talking about this. There is one area you haven’t mentioned that I think is even bigger than individual DJs needs. I work at an independent radio station and we have an SL4 box in our setup to enable DJs to use Serato with turntables or CDJ (HiD mode as well). It is not practical buying a DJ mixer with Serato built in. With over 100 DJs with varying skills and knowledge from radio selectors to working DJs, we need a more broadcast focused mixer. The SL4 box enables Serato without the presumption of it being in a club or pro DJ setup. We are having heaps of DJs upgrade their Macs by accident, not realizing they are removing their ability to use Serato to do radio shows. I think this is a huge problem and will hurt Serato in the long run. Question. Do we know how many SL boxes are out there? I am sure it is quite a few. I can’t believe between Serato and InMusic that they think everyone with an SL box is just going to buy a controller or mixer. Thanks for your video. Total support DJ Coda (NZ)

[@wurlyone4685]

Brilliant points from a specific sector there, that I bet many wouldn't think of - and yep mirroring my think that it's short sighted because the risk for Serato is it means people ditch their eco system.

[@vbucks5942]

Great point, they think we're all stupid

[@djhaloeight]

Still rocking my SL3 in my setup. Still use a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with maxed RAM and SSD with Serato Scratch Live, not Serato DJ or whatever it’s called now. I bought the thing to be able to use my 1200s to spin digital files seamlessly with my vinyl, and it still accomplishes that perfectly. I do agree though. People dropped good money on the interfaces…and they should still be supported.

[@sarahhall6208]

100% agree... I want a DS1 myself (even though my prime 4 is dvs ready), i still now and then just want to use my turntables and a simple 2 channel mixer, but be able to play the latest digital files that simply are not out on vinyl.

[@TheLazyP]

Agreed, we need this kind of interface. Thanks for the video, Mojaxx!

[@ivanm604]

I still use me SL4 weekly. I consider having an SL box as a critical piece of Dj gear

[@mannyfreitas5563]

This is the very reason I upgraded to the S11. I love my Scratch Live Box and will continue to use it on an older laptop that still runs Serato Scratch.

[@Roc.stars8]

Those SL boxes played a vital part of our dj school and hate to see them go witch means will have to get rid of all the SL boxes and mixers for a costly upgrade but luckily for now OS high Sierra is where most of us choose to stay because Of what’s available SL3 Rane 62 S9 etc they need to stop this we jus wanna play our MUSIC 🎶

[@eltruheyo]

So if I have Mojave on my MBP, the SL3 will still work?

[@lindsaymaria2876]

I haven’t used mine in years but enjoyed the peace of mind of having it for when I needed it.

[@VikToreus]

I feel like we need a disruptive underdog like Phase to help make one of these products again. Although, as you say it's not difficult for these manufacturers to do. It's all down to cost vs. benefit vs. strategic planning for controllers / other products. The use case for a DVS box is still definitely there. Just the other night I used club kit on a NXS2 Mixer and had audio issues. It turned out that the internal soundcard inside the mixer had issues. So I had to whip out my SL2 for the rescue to go direct RCA in.

[@jasystems]

100% Totally in agreement; there's always going to be a need for a DVS interface box for Serato and/or any other Jukebox type software music library as we continue using legacy equipment. I own music controllers, but I also use in-house only legacy equipment for performing music mixes via Serato. A DVS is needed for this scenario, it's simply a must!

[@ClevelandTerry]

I have 6 rane 62s, and 3 57s in my warehouse that I would love to still use. A box would fix the incompatibilities

[@yao937]

Why not a payfor driver update?

[@thisall4real]

@@yao937 sure many of us would.

[@jasonpreston4015]

donate, ill take them broken tuff times out here. had to get rid of my numark Scratch and a audio tech 1240. i need some equipment to use. i dont care what condition

[@shredfrenzy]

Totally agree. Would definitely buy one.

[@sfey93]

I totally agree. I hope that they will open for any interfaces like Traktor. There must be an alternative for to play on every old mixer.

[@sc239]

There is.... the SL box you currently own, the laptop you have always used, and any Serato version up until 2.5....

[@bitbotrecords]

You are the man🎉 well done mate.

[@trickstercentral4989]

I completely agree with you mate most of my residences I still need to use my SL box. I’m really unsure what to do whether to buy myself a mixer or to just bring my controller because I can’t play on the cdjs any more due to this update

[@sc239]

So if you have an SL box, and a laptop that it works on why cant you still use it? Why do you need the latest laptop and latest serato version?

[@trickstercentral4989]

@@sc239 due to having to upgrade my Serato to play 3000s

[@Dex76]

Mojaxx you said nothing but the truth and have actually confirmed what I thought was the case. Over the past year, I was keeping an eye open for a compatible box and found either they were discontinued or not compatible. Fingers crossed this gets resolved.

[@bikesbeersbeats]

Pretty much the reason why I went with the model 1, so tired of "cutting edge" hardware going out of support. The DB4 is an EPIC mixer and A&H no longer keeps up with maintaining the audio drivers.

[@dubhutx]

100% agree especially as so many of us DJs have spent $1000’s of dollars supporting these brands and companies in the last few decades and as great as all the new software and hardware tech is, it shouldn’t make “outdated” “vintage” etc equipment unusable.

[@sgtcreasegrease]

This is one of the reasons why I got my Rane Seventy, even tho I had kit that would work, but all the old boxes are either unsupported by newer OS's or they may or may not work. A 2in/2out box I think still can have a place in today's market. Way cheaper to get if you have an analog mixer and turntables/CDJs.

[@davidw1218]

Unfortunately I don't want to drag MY RANE70 everywhere I go!

[@kurstone04]

im in the process of having to buy a serato mixer because my SL box doesnt really work anymore, so i appreciate this video alot.

[@JVB_DJ]

Serato! Do a club kit that works with every soundcard! Now!

[@xxsimon]

Spot on! I hate rocking up to a gig and not knowing what set up is in there and wondering do I have the correct cables/drivers installed for it to work seamlessly. The SL box guaranteed regardless of the setup I could make it work in DVS. On the flip, I understand the "industry" making a collective decision to phase them out to encourage the update of audio equipment to the new generation of Mixers/Controllers. But ultimately this doesn't help longstanding DJ's!

[@camiloluna2559]

I agree… and I think #phase dj should step in… they already have a revolutionary hardware… they would offer a much complete package… serato and phase already had partnered to make phase wireless … so I think it’ll be easier to keep improving on this matter… thank you Mojaxx.

[@micahbaham]

Looking at the phase web site, they do support Serato DJ Pro. Or am I just late to this announcement? Is there any other universal DVS system?

[@DJColorTV]

I absolutely agree! I won the denon box many years ago in a battle and I absolutely love it. It's saved my ass many times when I'm in a country and my Serato club kit isn't up to date, for example, and the internet isn't working. Plug in my box, and boom, I'm ready to go. It's always in the bottom of my bag, and I won't leave home without it. So this discontinued support for their own expensive boxes is BS in my mind. I have even had an SL4 not for me, and plugged in my Denon box and naturally that worked. These are needed, and dropping support for them is f'd up.

[@dosovnis7090]

This is ridiculous Serato just found out today after updating that my SL3 is no longer supported… being a user of SSL since launch I’m furious!

[@dosovnis7090]

This is bullSh!t Serato, I have been your customer for 20 years, you started the company as digital vinyl solution, and I understand some hardware can become incompatible, but there is no new hardware to replace it? So vinyl DJs, which supported you through all these years, are now obsolete? Why is there no new audio card to support your software? How is carrying a mixer around everywhere a solution? Knowing about all this discontinued hardware audio cards who is going to buy a mixer that is going to be later obsolete too? They should release a new box or open up the software to be used with any other compatible soundcard. I would buy the new Serato soundcard if we were forced to upgrade, but leaving us without a solution is not how you treat your lifelong customers. I have already started my migration to Traktor, I can't believe how this company has gone so downhill...

[@MzOrstin]

I agree with you!!! We need one audio interface for all dj softwares so our lives can be much easier. There so much money to be made any company can pull this off

[@samhyde3633]

It’s a travesty, thanks for doing a video about it. The irony is phase has finally made playing on an analog mixer with vinyl and serato easy and enjoyable and right when we got it they killed it. Analog mixers have had a renaissance, it seems so inane to do this. I get it’s a niche but it’s an important one. Some one has to fill this void

[@mcilrain]

Xwax exists.

[@dubbylabby6068]

Djay Pro and DjPlayer

[@ulyssescain9817]

Not only just a 2 Channel box with phono inputs but a 4 Channel version as well with phono and line Inputs for older Studio setups with a pair Technics 1200’s and a pair of CDJ-1000’s for 4 deck operation.

[@SimillionMedia]

Either serato and rane put in the extra R&D to continuously support these sound cards or serato should unlock the software to use any sound card like their competitors. I don’t have one of these boxes but I know they are very popular amongst other working DJs to this day. It’s wrong to force them to stay on an outdated version of software just so they can keep working.

[@dosboy71]

100% agree. recognizing that it's sometimes hard to support legacy hardware with newer software, we still need interfaces to work with our older gear. Not to mention that an updated interface could be made for much cheaper. I would buy a new one without hesitation.

[@bassbombdom]

This is something that needed to be addressed for a long time. I think Rane shot themselves in the foot with the SL Boxes because they were made to such a high quality that they rarely needed repairing. I'll be honest and say I've never bought a piece of Rane hardware new because I know the quality is there so I may as well save money and get it used. Because of this, I think it's forced them to phase it out to get people onto the new stuff... I don't think this is Serato, I think this is Rane/inMusic

[@wurlyone4685]

Yep but the nuts thing there - no-one is going to go from having an SL box, to forking out for a DVS rane mixer because it's such a HUGE jump in money (and even if they would, rane don't even *make* a 3 or 4 channel DVS mixer - so there's literally no replacement for the SL3 of SL4 in ranes range!). So it's cut their legacy support costs, but it's not going to generate new sales for them like they probably hoped it would.

[@yodjs]

Never an issue with my SL4 box Great points here the unit is very stable a great backup and ALWAYS WORKED FLAWLESS !

[@lukeybizzel]

Its such an odd situation. Djs need options, if you have to use older gear its a must. Tbh mines long been relegated to being just a soundcard (hopefully it will continue to work as one?) But it does seem to be pushing people to controllers, or relying on club kit/official accessory route. Defo a gap in the market still.

[@1973djmarc]

I agree, some people still have old gear to use serato

[@Astroboytoy]

Focusrite or Steinberg should be talking to SERATO

[@djrice50]

Totally agree that audio interface is important. I ran into a situation where I did not want to bring a DJ controller to an out of town gig. One nightclub has a pair Pioneer CDJ-2000NXS2 but is using Pioneer DJM-750MK2 which runs Rekordbox. I was trying to find a Denon DS1 to hook up the RCA to the Pioneer DJM-750MK2 and use a pair of Pioneer CDJ-2000NXS2 set to HID mode. They also have a pair of Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2 which I would have used Serato timecode CDs with Denon DS1.

[@petergrant-cocktailsbeats4379]

This seems to be utter madness!!!!!!!!!! Surely the software updates can still accommodate a SL3. I like to use an analogue mixer with DVS. Thanks for the great videos Mojaxx!

[@BackBurnerKitchen]

I’m right there with you! We need this. So disappointed. My old laptop died and I bought a MacBook Air and sl2 doesn’t work with the os. Someone please make thistle product!

[@KevinBasher]

There probably is 1) a very small market for that. Even NI discontinued their larger 5ch interface and hasn't updated the 3ch one in ages. 2) no manufacturer willing to sell you an interface for $300 when they can stop supporting your $1,500 battle mixer and sell you a new one at that price. For us customers, that's really bad. And it creates a ton of unnecessary waste.

[@vbucks5942]

Absolutely right!

[@DJCaliLos]

Glad I came across this video. My friend recently updated her old Macbook to Catalina operating system and now her SL2 BOX no longer works. That box is old as well. I reach out to Serato they said Serato DJ 2.5. is the last box that worked with Catalina. Try troubleshooting it & didn't recognize it.

[@JYMBO]

Amazing this video would happen to come out JUST as i'm having this issue, currently bidding on a Denon DS1 box on ebay but no luck, i may have to be forced into the Controller world

[@yao937]

That can t be an option for us turntable Djs

[@maxiboy987]

Done get a DS1, ive had 3 now and all broke. Very poor product

[@TheRds797]

Agreed, someone needs to make an audio interface

[@michaelperez5273]

I stopped using serato SL4 because of the issues with upgrades

[@Stevebwj]

Bought the last DS1 from Thomann. It’s time for Reloop to step up to the plate.

[@machinefm]

Advocating in the DJ community for open formats and encouraging my fellow DJs to look outside the Box. For example, buy two BEHRINGER UCA202 ($9 for each deck) and you get a cheap solution. DVS timecode is not complicated, it's only an audio signal that requires a 4x4 USB soundcard for 2 decks, or 2x2 for 1 deck, and RCA connectivity. As far as Serato is concerned, the software is quickly becoming outdated as there are many different software solutions for DJs, including iOS that are far more advanced in terms of capabilities and class-compliant hardware support. All-in-one, plastic, expensive controllers that lock DJs into one software and one way of DJing is not the answer, who's with me!

[@gtvwill]

This ^^^ Big fan of mixxx software for their work in this area. Trying to get mixing out to the masses using anything they have.

[@anttiskate]

@@gtvwill Sorry to say, but Mixxx is absolutely rubbish in the DVS department. The sticker drift and responsiveness is just trash an unusable.

[@gtvwill]

@@anttiskate Yeah It definitely needs work in some areas. But good to see folks at least making an attempt. If we as a community pushed a bit more support behind the project and projects like it we could hopefully improve stuff life that.

[@anttiskate]

@@gtvwill I agree, I definitely think Mixxx has advanced tremendously in recent years. However, the DVS implementation hasn’t gone anywhere, for the same reason as this whole video came about - DVS is becoming a bit niche in the large scale of things.