Series that Made a Poor Jump to 3D

Episode
322 - With new technology emerging and everything going 3D, the creators of many popular 2D franchises had a tough decision to make when it came to evolving the series to 3D. Sometimes it didn't work out that well.
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[@GameSack]

What are some games you feel didn't transition to 3D very well? Are there any you think got better by going 3D?

[@Vaecord91]

Best example IMO is Castlevania honestly

[@moonbilal707]

Street Fighter EX series by Akira Prince of Persia 3D aka Arabian Nights on Sega Dreamcast Also *cough cough* Golden Axe Beast Rider and Final Fight Streetwise, which you already covered in Franchise Killers episode.

[@startedtech]

I think Pokemon transitioned to 'proper' 3D poorly with Sword & Shield. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but oh well!

[@JetWolfEX]

I guess most people would say Metal Gear was better in 3D The only other example I can think of is the Worms series going 3D, it was awful Edit: I remember another one, Sonic wings/Aero Fighters, the N64 game was bad enough to bankrupt the developer and end the series There's a lot of bad 3D N64 sequels to 2D series not previously from a Nintendo system now that I think about it...

[@MortimerZabi]

Shinobi on the PS2 was definitely good but hard for its time--probably the hardest ninja game until Ninja Gaiden upstaged it 2 years later. Speaking of Ninja Gaiden, that franchise also got better in 3D. As for games that got worse in 3D, you could mention how Samurai Shodown on the Neo Geo 64 was a wash at best and a step down at worst.

[@Mystemo]

Interesting (and disturbing) fact. The Swedish manual for the Mega Drive version of Paperboy was incredibly hilariously poorly translated even by the standards at the time. The worst offense being translating The Grim Reaper to "the vicious rapist". I'm seriously not joking!

[@grumsproduktion4083]

Hahaha "Den grymma våldtagsmannen!"

[@MrJechgo]

Don’t forget that in X7, Mega Man X himself is an unlockable character… Yes, the titular protagonist isn’t playable at the start…

[@VideoGameStupidLC]

@RockManLP_Radio Damn... I thought this comment was going the usual route whenever someone says "titular" on this channel...

[@coreylineberry8557]

@@VideoGameStupidLC Did you just say tits?

[@theoldpcgamer77]

Maximo was pretty good. Colourful and smooth good to play.

[@cj694x2]

Yes. I've only played the second one, Army of Zin, but it was a solid game and really fun.

[@Videogamelover58]

@@cj694x2 Army of Zin is amazing!

[@Boogie_the_cat]

I liked Army of Zin.

[@shirakawanaoya]

Man. I gotta say something. I have been following this channel for years and every time you post something new it's like a drug and I just have to see it or add it to my watch later list to see it as a winding down therapy kind of thing.

[@deftones8717]

Same dude… I’m over here trying to devise a way to mainline this video somehow… my syringe keeps clogging though …. No really though, I seriously do get a nice surge of dopamine every time Joe posts a video. I get such a feel good vibe from seeing all of the older, forgotten games of my childhood, plus Joe is just funny as hell and he’s awesome! Cheers man 🍻💉🥄💊

[@cambrodia3189]

I agree. GameSack is a top tier gaming channel. I think of Joe and Dave like cake and frosting respectively.

[@razzledazzle4934]

Same. I get really hyped

[@obsidianchao]

I never even knew there WAS an Earthworm Jim 3. I guess that’s how bad it is.

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

It's also stupid expensive for the 64

[@brendanroberts1310]

@@lvl5Vaporeon not the pal version that's well cheap.

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Me neither.

[@CaptAwesumNo1Zone]

I love it, its fun

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Horrible and lackluster

[@MrRom92DAW]

I have such good memories of the early 3D days. Some of these feel clunky nowadays but there are times where an of-the-era below average 3D platformer is just what the doctor ordered

[@AllieRX]

Mortal Kombat 4 was fun. The best part is when you defeat Shinnok at the end and he gets flushed down a giant toilet.

[@alexbiehn978]

agreed mk4 was great...much better than mk11 for me personally

[@GuiOmania]

And the legendary game over screen when you fall into the spike !!!

[@Boogie_the_cat]

The endings are the best. Cheese factor 5. "Noooooooooo"

[@0dayrepairs]

"GameSack? More like BallSack!" Beautiful. 10/10. It's a masterpiece.

[@hakeemxsonicgarner5165]

LOL

[@PAINNN666]

I hear fallsack

[@poble]

@@PAINNN666 then wash your ears

[@PAINNN666]

@@poble Rude

[@poble]

@@PAINNN666 I’m not being rude lol

[@ThoroughlyBaked]

When you first mentioned Mega Man I was thinking "Oh no... he isn't going to crap on Legends is he?" But you crapped on X7 and that's completely fine. As to how anyone could enjoy Bubsy? Well... when you're 9 and only got a couple new games every year, you made do with with what you had. Even when a well meaning parent bought you Bubsy.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

I was hoping he would

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Legends are good the way they are, because their different gameplay.

[@alexrekzu4079]

legends is a good game fite me

[@IncredibleMD]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 Same. He should've. If that game wasn't Mega Man branded, it'd be laughed at.

[@Ryusuta]

Agree. Megaman Legends was slightly flawed, but very fun. And Legends 2 improved on things and spiced it up a bit.

[@diegorojas2049]

And to this day, konami hasn't learned their lesson with 3D contra games

[@gaylordfocker7990]

Shattered Soldier and Neo Contra were fun.

[@mrdeatheli]

Well, they haven't made real games in years.

[@TheKnutification]

what are you talking about? pachinko machines are 4d O.o they evolved beyond us

[@Jinzo9988]

The first 3D Contra game came out too early because there were games eventually that really worked well as shooters from that perspective... probably when twin-stick shooters became a thing, but that would come years later. The first 3D Contra game came out so early that one stick wasn't even a thing on the Playstation yet let alone somebody coming up with the idea of using two. So on some level, I give that game leniency. Shouldn't have played that way by design without sticks, but it is what it is. By the time Rogue Corps came out though... yeah. It did have the right idea and did the twin-stick shooter thing, but its design was atrocious. Among the numerous things wrong with it, I thought it needed to do the same thing that Sonic Generations did where it's equal parts old and new.

[@AlucardsQuest]

@@gaylordfocker7990 Shattered Soldier is still pretty much 2D... 2.5D if you prefer.

[@musickid43]

Joe: What games improved by going to 3D? Me: Duke Nukem I believe sold way more when it moved to 3D.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

The video starts off with Earthworm Jim 3D. Just as it should.

[@Tylerson]

GTA would likely be the best jump from 2D to 3D. A series that I never thought made a great jump to 3D was Pitfall, though. Perhaps playable but the 2D ones will always be a better experience.

[@MrDebauch]

i guess metal gear too even if the 2d ones weren't bad. same goes for duke nukem.. the first two games were great, but 3 is the one that defined the franchise... not sure on the more recent releases though.

[@l.marhault]

I want to say the first Pitfall 3D (awful game) had narration by Bruce Campbell, but it didn't help.

[@Zontar82]

@@MrDebauch duke 3d is the latest best of the series. the rest are crap

[@MrDebauch]

@@Zontar82 it's a shame. they should have done something about that.

[@InsidiousOne]

Never played this 3D Off Road game, but to be honest it looks perfectly fine. Seen much worse racing games of this era.

[@PJBonoVox]

I don't understand why he never once mentioned that Super Off-Road is an arcade game.

[@Ronbotnik]

i remember loving maximo!!! played it all the time with my parents back in the day

[@Stratelier]

Maximo is actually quite good for a "jump to 3D". It's a reasonably fast-paced 3D hack-and-slash (with surprisingly decent platforming) with what some would call a "Souls-like" level of difficulty: healing is hard to come by so you HAVE to learn an enemy's patterns or you will die. A lot. (And it has a limited lives/continues system on top of that)

[@Boogie_the_cat]

Maximo was way better than any of the other games here.

[@Aragorn7884]

I didn't even watch the video yet, but my money is on Bubsy being in it. _lolz_

[@Imac7065]

You are CORRECT sir lol

[@thepickles8833]

You’re winner! 🏆

[@yittmashups]

Yes, the unfortunate mascot of s***y 3D games.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Hey bubsy has a great frame-rate!

[@patrickkendrick3066]

Just wanna take time to appreciate the editing of your videos. The Game Sack banner and fade into an ad is much better than cutting to an ad mid sentence like most KZbinrs. 👍🏿

[@Boogie_the_cat]

Ads ? What are ads ? Never seen one myself. I hear ads give you ED, and they're all just a bunch of scams anyway. Never seen one myself since 2008, and I have a much better life. When I stopped watching ads, my dog came back to life and my ex wife came back too.

[@BackyardEpicMovies]

Maximo is a great series. I'm forever waiting for part 3.

[@Vaecord91]

Never been disappointed with Maximo

[@Bangyourbirdnumb]

That was an odd choice to throw in as being bad.

[@gianyrivera1082]

If you consider making a video on games that had a good transition into 3D, please include Ninja Gaiden

[@user-xn3kt6bn5r]

This, metal gear too

[@cambrodia3189]

Final Fantasy is a good example too

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

That, Zelda and Prince of Persia are, in my book, the only one exceptions.

[@Jordan3DS]

@@cambrodia3189 FF is about half, since games like VIII and X are underwhelming and the series died when XIII came out.

[@GameOnRadio1]

@Tom Ffrench FF yes but Metal Gear controls were vastly different which helped in it good transition into 3D

[@siveon298]

Metal Gear, to me, would be the defacto game series that got better in 3D. Cinematics, the worlds, all of that was so much cooler. I hear Maximo was good!

[@anonamatron]

Yes, Metal Gear Solid was a HUUUUGE step up. So was Grand Theft Auto III.

[@kwxjibo]

Duke Nukem 3D too!

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Cinematics?

[@Beastmode-hk3fj]

Great video as always but the end skit was definitely the cherry on top!

[@oogrooq]

Thank you for distinguishing between 'figuratively' and 'litterally'.

[@duffman18]

You're the worst kind of pedant, an incorrect one. "Literally" has been used as hyperbole or to mean "figuratively" for _centuries_ now. Seriously. Literally your entire life it has had this other meaning Mark Twain and Jane Austen and F. Scott Fitzgerald used it this way just to name a few. It's not some new trend to use it this way. And the meaning you want "literally" to have, to mean "actually" or "in a literal manner or sense; exactly", that's not even the original definition of the word "literally"! Why are you adamant that the 2nd definition of literally is the only one that's OK. But for the 1st and 3rd meanings of "literally" you think they don't count? The original definition of "literally" was when something had to do with writing, like "concerning the writing, study, or content of literature, especially of the kind valued for quality of form." Essentially it's what we use "literary" for these days. So why don't you whine about how you're using the updated changed new definition of "literally"? Why do you only whine about the 3rd meaning of it, and not the 2nd meaning? And literally every day you use words that have changed definition. Some of them actually mean the *opposite* of what they originally did. Like you've definitely used the word "awful" to mean something that's bad. Originally it meant something great and amazing, that filled you with awe, awe-ful. It's what we use "awesome" for these days (and "awesome" is another example, it used to mean something that was great in a horrible terrifying way, not "great" as in "good", just something very big and powerful and scary) Or how about "terrific" which originally meant something that was incredibly frightening or bad, terror-fic. Nowadays it means something that's really great or good. That new definition of the word "terrific" came about in the 19th century, the same exact time that the definition of "literally" that you hate so much came about. It's literally the same age as the definition for "literally". So why do you whine about one and not the other? They're the same age, both "new" definitions. If you were in any way consistent, you'd be whining about the "new" definition of "terrific" because it's the same exact age as the "new" meaning of literally. But you aren't consistent. This is literally the only word people like you care about even though there's thousands of examples of words that have the same age of the newest meaning. 19th century meanings of words like literally. You care only about appearing smart, not actually being smart. If ylu were smart you'd know how old that definition of literally is. Is it because you don't really know what you're talking about and just wanna hang on this one word you hate, but because you don't know how English works, you've never read a book on it or on linguistics in general, you want to appear smart by whining about the word but you're not actually smart enough to research it and either whine about *every* word that changed definition, or just accept that this is how language works? English is a descriptivist language. Meaning it constantly changes. "Correct English" is simply the English that English speakers speak and write every day. That's why English dictionaries are constantly updating and adding new words. It's not like a prescriptivist language like French, where there's a central body in Paris who decide what is officially French and what isn't. French is based on what the dictionaries say, and vice versa for English, where English dictionaries are based on what English speakers say and write. Ultimately, English works through context. The words as a whole, a whole sentence, is what gives meaning. Not the individual words. It's always obvious when the person means *literally* literally and when they are using it as hyperbole or to mean "figuratively". That's why English can be used to imply things without ever explicitly stating it. It's why "reading between the lines" is a thing. It's why English poetry can be so beautiful and have tons of meanings simultaneously. Because English works through context. You know exactly what they mean when they use "literally" that way, so it's very successful at communicating with you. That's all that matters.

[@rars0n]

@@duffman18 Kind of ironic you calling him a pedant. But honestly, totally agree with everything you've written. Extremely thorough.

[@megamarsonic]

Correction: in Paperboy (N64), the difficulty you select is what actually determines whether you go in a set path or can roam freely. As far as I'm aware, there's no difference in how Paperboy and Papergirl play.

[@Zontar82]

YOU MYSOGINIST

[@V0YAG3R]

Zontar82 And communism and islam are religions of peace 👌🏻

[@larrylaffer3246]

If I were a betting man I'd wager the list would be dedicated to Sonic.

[@AndalusianLuis]

Careful, you’ll anger the sonic fans

[@larrylaffer3246]

@@AndalusianLuis But it's so fun to watch em squirm.

[@Blueflag04]

@@AndalusianLuis haha ,let em. Its fun to watch them cry

[@JCM217]

@@AndalusianLuis eh, I think most sonic fans have come to terms, that’s why there’s a “sonic cycle.” I don’t think the 3D games are as universally bad as some do, though. More of a mixed bag.

[@ToonCatTV]

@@larrylaffer3246 *SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

[@riversart2030]

Maximo: Ghosts to Glory is an awesome game. It captures the feeling of the old 2d games while adding cool new features like the power up system. I'm surprised Joe hasn't played it.

[@JMFSpike]

Are you sure there wasn't an episode covering those? I believe there were two of them, but I don't think they sold well.

[@GenesHand]

@@JMFSpike Dave played them.

[@patrickhein6986]

I´m with you. Both Maximo Games were awesome and I always hoped for a third one back then.

[@YOG3NSHA]

The ending actually cracked me up.

[@jeffu.8053]

Joe has advertised Keeps in past episodes to prevent balding. Looks like he should start advertising Depends now after that ending skit.

[@gluserty]

That's why it's important to know where you're going to land before you jump, especially in 3D.

[@skittlebrau3798]

Speaking of Konami, Suikoden is another franchise I'd toss in there. The first two are exceptional 2D RPGs... especially Suikoden II with its beautiful spritework and animation. The jump to 3D was rough and in my opinion, the series wouldn't really recover until Suikoden V.

[@guilhermealbuquerque5648]

"Can you hear me, Zero?"

[@myopiniondoesntmatter7068]

Mk4 was actually quite good. Graphics just didn't age well and they sacrificed a lot to get it to 60 fps. It went downhill after that IMO which required the MK9 reboot.

[@shadoom]

I remember my friends and I really enjoyed mk4 when it got released as well

[@ridleyrage5283]

I agree, MK4 isn't an offender, compared to the rest

[@Wildcatbeer]

You know, a piss stain in the front of the pants is a small example of the care and detail that is put into each and every Gamesack episode. *Salute*

[@more7642]

Extremely need "Game series which been vastly improved by going to 3D" episode! Greetings from Russia!

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Ninja Gaiden, Prince of Persia, Zelda (some). And that's it.

[@menhirmike]

Mortal Kombat 4 has the best endings in the entire franchise.

[@tartrazine5]

He has to be saying "I'M SO GAYYYY!!" in Jax's ending.

[@trailstreaker]

Maximo was really good. I really enjoyed both games. They were actually fun to play and the story was really interesting.

[@ManOfUnknownWorth]

The fact that you did NOT include Sonic in this video is refreshing. Everyone and their dog have gone on about how flawed the 3D Sonic games are for so long that it became a dead horse. Thank you for that.

[@8BitHorse]

When we originally created our channel, we intended to create a series of videos showing great 2D games against their sub-par transitions to 3D. We never created the series, but this video touches on a lot of the games we intended to showcase.

[@jinx2131]

The only videos I keep in my "watch later" to savour for as long as it takes! Thanks Gamesack!

[@JCM217]

I look forward to your future Castlevania episode. I stand by the 64 games being pretty good. They’re definitely “of the era,” and a few gameplay tweaks would have made a world of difference, but it was early 3D. Guess I’m an apologist.

[@thomasberry4486]

I enjoyed the first N64 game and Lament of Innocence on the PS2.

[@Kain5th]

Id call those games “decent” but not bad

[@businesschicken8699]

Good luck with that lol I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Joe HATES pretty much ALL PS1/N64/Saturn-generation games, based solely on the graphics alone in all honesty. Pay attention when he reviews any of them in any video (not just this one). Everything he says always starts with "I HATE the way this game looks, it's terrible!" or something exactly like it, followed by a nit-picky list of things he would've either made excuses for or would down-right ignore as part of "the charm of that particular game era" if it's any older game from HIS younger years. He'll admit it himself sometimes, and him and his old cohost/best-friend used to go back and forth about it all the time before he left the show for the most part. It still makes me absolutely hate biased episodes like this, when he also always talks about how remaining impartial and professionally critical of games from an unbiased point-of-view is so critically important for "real, adult game reviewers who want to be taken seriously" while also making the conscious decision to hold on to his weird obsessive level of hate for PS1 graphics, and anything similar from the same gaming generation, not to mention the one after it, other than games he specifically likes. Those are okay. Don't expect much if your game wasn't a world-shattering, literal game-changer.... And though I truly do love the N64 versions of Castlevania (especially the original), it wasn't a critically acclaimed 10/10 hit, like I said: I wouldn't expect much any time soon lol that's all

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Horrible. The best CVania games are pixel art.

[@GameOnRadio1]

@@PsychomachineryEBM the two Ps2/OG Xbox ones were pretty good

[@MuscarV2]

Man, when you're more than satisfied with the video and go to like it and the post credits skit starts so you wait and it just doubles your enjoyment. Good stuff Joe!

[@RobertSeeJen]

The initial shots of the Contra game made me think "That doesn't look too bad." But the more footage that was shown, the more I understood.

[@findantu]

It's the depth perception of the bullets were like red and yellow it would be fine because you'd know which to duck under .

[@Tpoleful]

I agree. It looks like the team was competent but given an impossible task translating the gameplay into 3d

[@goldensyrupgamingshow2978]

It took me years to recover from the switch from beautiful 2D sprites to ugly basic 3D graphics. I'm ok now

[@goeland4585]

I'm happy for you Golden Syrup Gaming Show

[@breakfasthole3851]

I saw it as a slow transition but it's a shame that 2D games became old news for so long. I remember buying Earthworm Jim 2 for PS1 around the time of Tekken 3 (which I also had) and my friends didn't understand wanting to go back to 2D games. Soon after I bought a SNES again and they didn't understand that either

[@Jordan3DS]

@@breakfasthole3851 People still do that nowadays, they trade in their old systems and games as soon as the new generation starts to get the new console, since they can't imagine playing old tech. Casuals will always be casuals, they don't look at games as individual experiences since they only see the technology.

[@breakfasthole3851]

@@Jordan3DS My brother is exactly that. Must have new consoles when they launch, everything from before gets sold. He just wants to play the latest things, doesn't dip into older stuff too much. He sees that as 'going backwards'. I wouldn't describe him as casual though. Just different perspectives and gaming behaviours. He puts serious hours into playing and gets very good at whatever games are his current thing.

[@Jordan3DS]

​@@breakfasthole3851 I would say it's pretty "casual", since those kinds of gamers only play a very small percentage of what's out there. It'd be like if a movie buff refused to watch anything not in theaters, a music buff refused to listen to anything that didn't just come out, or a book buff refused to read anything that didn't release that year. They can't really be called true fans of the medium if they say that most of it is just "outdated garbage". Plus, I think someone can spend a lot of time with a game and still be considered a casual. Lots of people spend dozens of hours a week playing Madden or Call of Duty or Fortnite, yet the fact that they scoff at actual games while only playing casual games is mainly what makes them a casual gamer.

[@TheRealMerchyBautista]

Yeah definitely wanna see a video of 2D games that vastly improved in to 3D

[@ScottX68000]

I really enjoy playing Off Road Challenge on the N64, there's very few racing games I like on the system but this one is a lot of fun for me. It's better emulated so you can overclock the CPU to get a smoother frame rate, usually I prefer original hardware but N64 games definitely benefit from emulation.

[@009Pipo]

Yeah, I really enjoy playing Off Road Challenge on the arcades. It's not a perfect game but really fun.

[@stuffthings1417]

Yeah there aren't a lot. Rush 2084 is the best one on N64.

[@HarmfulBreeze]

22:07 Game Sack: - worse graphics than Paperboy? Bubsy 3D: - hold my beer

[@GameSack]

I dunno at least Bubsy was brighter and sharper.

[@RivalAudioTTV]

Can I just say that I appreciate you actually make spots in your vids for the commercials... that way it doesn't take me out of the moment, I appreciate the effort!

[@MrScore101ca]

Pee's on hands, shakes it off, doesn't wash hands, waves you to follow....comedy gold

[@gryphonofmight]

Earthworm Jim comes to mind along with Castlevania.......and Earthworm Jim is the first game mentioned!

[@thisisjames4474]

Maximo was an amazing game! I'd love to play it today to see how well it aged.

[@64-Bit-Gamer]

I haven't watched this yet but I'll eat my hat if Castlevania isn't included.

[@yittmashups]

Solid gamble, but unfortunately you lost this time. *grabs the salt and hot plate* How do you like your hat cooked?

[@64-Bit-Gamer]

Well done. With a slice of humble pie to the side 😐

[@barc0deblankblank]

I had a blast playing MK4 in arcades and the N64, for a couple of years. It doesn't have to be perfect to be fun.

[@shadoom]

Without the glorious N64 this video would be only 3 minutes long

[@CDubya.82]

Thank goodness the request to laugh for several minutes was near the end of the video. My laughter was sooo hard I missed the rest of the video. 😋😆

[@Risperdali]

Maximo is the bomb! It'd be an example of a good transition to 3D!

[@WelcomeToTheCBC]

the pee pants after taking a leak that was clearly audible was genius

[@legokingcandy]

I always watch gamesack when I’ve got trouble sleeping or if I want to relax. Keep up the great work!

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

Man, for a second there I thought you were going to bust out that game enhancer from Amazon at the end. This was better.

[@drhoads08]

Very little known fact: Joe from Game Sack also was the creator of Happy Fun Ball.

[@Dorelaxen]

Altered Beast and Golden Axe come to mind. Holy god did both of their 3-D games suck.

[@GiggaVega]

If only KZbin was like Paper Boy on the N64 and we didn’t need to worry about losing subscribers lol 😂

[@jerrytan1639]

I don’t remember how I discovered game sack but I’m glad i did and it was recent so there were already hundreds of episodes to go through and with Lockdowns had time to play games even my old ones.I like Jrpg’s so while playing ps1 jrpg classics i turn down the volume and binge watch all episodes starting from the 1st episode of course,now that I’ve caught up for a while now will always be waiting for new ones to come out...keep up the good work 👍👍

[@MKF30]

Honestly MK4 wasn't *that* bad, the game plays fine and can be played competitively and for the time that was among the better looking 3d Pixel tech. Also you forgot street fighter EX lol you put mk 4 but forgot sf ex? 😅😜

[@RetroRuss]

I thought Deception was when 3D MK got it right.

[@Astfgl]

@@RetroRuss Deadly Alliance was novel at the time and a big improvement over MK4, but in hindsight it wasn't really that great either. That already became fairly obvious by the time Deception rolled out. MK9 is where the series finally found its footing in 3D, and ironically it was by taking the gameplay back to its 2D roots.

[@MKF30]

@@RetroRuss Deception was fun but broke af lol... thr extra modes were cool though chess and puzzle kombat. Deadly Alliance was before Deception, and the first real 3D MK game. Mk 4 was technically 2.5D at best, you could step in and out/sidestepping but as far as fully 3D MK Deadly Alliance was the first fully 3-Dimensional MK game to come out.

[@MKF30]

@@Astfgl MK 9 was only 3D in graphics only and paved by MK vs DCU(which was also similar to MK 4 with not fully 3D nor fully 2D, MK 9 having fully 2D and went back to nostalgic territory combined with updated gameplay making it one of the best MK's ever. MK vs DC was also the first to really redesign the story format and wasn't entirely bad in it's own right, people just hate the watered down MK in that game but Yeah Deadly Alliance was their first fully 3D MK game, and while it was received better than MK 4 and overall the most balanced 3D MK game of the following games (Deception and Armageddon) it wasn't totally without it's flaws, the super slow gameplay and limited moves alongside one fatality per character was kind of a bummer. But as always storyline wise evolved MK. Hopefully at some point we get MK 4 and Deadly Alliance online in a retro pack or something, those are the 2 MK games never to have online play (no counting mame of course) but legitimately for any console. Perhaps that'll change down the road. I hope NRS makes an ultimate MK Klassic Kollection with MK 1, 2, UMK3, MK 4 and Deadly Alliance all available with online play with improved netcode. That would sell insane.

[@GameOnRadio1]

Actually the SFEX series was pretty decent

[@jong2359]

I believe Game Sack is the last remaining bastion of KZbin content that actually makes me happy. I still refer your channel every time I buy something online from Microcenter, as they have you listed in their drop down. I have no idea if this helps anything, but it makes me feel like I have done something.

[@henrydave6603]

Sort of glad Sonic wasn't anywhere near this episode! Okay okay I know some people actually like 3D Sonic games so probably a good call there. Still, I was sort of turned off from 3D games at the start as most developers just couldn't figure out how to make it work!

[@thomasedwardharrison2879]

I love Sonic Adventure

[@atre5763]

Sonic adventure isn't good

[@thomasedwardharrison2879]

@@atre5763 well it's the first video game I ever played and I have a lot of nostalgia for it

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

There yet to be a good 3D sonic game.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@thomasedwardharrison2879 I am sorry for you then if Sonic Adventure was your first

[@cmallory7511]

10:34 Capcom gave into the 3D itch by giving us Megaman Legends 1 and 2 on the PS1 and Megaman 64 on the N64.

[@AzrialAlaria]

I was gonna be pissed if he said anything about Darius. That series made a great transition to 3D with G-Darius!

[@thomashenry3014]

The bosses in that game are ridiculous, though.

[@AzrialAlaria]

@@thomashenry3014 I can handle them. I'm an ACE Silver Hawk pilot!

[@brianolson6366]

So many video game youtubers, most are rubbish, you guys are great.

[@danhectic5629]

every time i see a mobility cart or stair lift i think "Fresh!"

[@TheKyleBrah]

Doom 3, for sure. It was a bit of a graphical beast at the time, but damn, we're there some bad gameplay decisions, like unequipping a gun for the torch, too many sudden spawns for cheap jumpscares, terrible gun audio etc. The 2016 one showed how 3D Doom should be done

[@akirafuudou2037]

Hard disagree on the Turtles games. I get so unimpressed when people denounce them solely because that's not "their" generation of Turtles. While the first game from 2003 is admittedly limited in scope and repetitive as the combat was the bulk of the game, the controls and combat were stellar enough. Getting huge combos and a higher score is pretty old-school in of itself so I don't get the hate. The sequels are all different as far as combat but they are honestly better than the first game and of course they include the arcade originals as bonus unlockables--minus the original soundtracks. I'm not saying there aren't bad 3D Turtles games--in fact, saying this would be lying....Konami put out TMNT Mutant Melee the same generation and its quite possibly the worst one of them all. What I am saying is that the 3 beat em ups before Mutant Melee are actually very good and worth playing. They aren't bad just because they don't do what an older retro game did.

[@GuiOmania]

Your right and as someone born in 1987 that watch the 80’s cartoon the 2003 is way better then the original !!!

[@Medicint20]

This episode needs a part II

[@stncldrwg]

Maximo really isn’t a sequel to the Ghouls n Ghosts games. It’s just set in the same universe.

[@Boogie_the_cat]

20:27 i was really hoping for Joe to explain to all the zoomers what a newspaper was, really dry and witty-like. A newspaper was an ancient form of information system that used movable typesets on a printing press to convey stories and sell bras and help you locate the owner of the lost turtle that you found.

[@lovelock9190]

"sonic had a rough transition to 3d"

[@Blueflag04]

you beat me to it

[@thomasedwardharrison2879]

Says every IGNorgant journalist that doesn't understand Sonic

[@comradecrimsonsmaidenporiu8766]

Sack Enhancer I'm dead 😂💀 That end bit was really funny.

[@roguerifter9724]

Got worse: Worms. The 2D games were awesome. I have so many memories playing those with friends and family bug never enjoyed the 3D games nearly as much. Got better: Catacombs, Duke Nukem, and Wolfenstein. I liked the 2D games but enjoyed the first 3D game of each more, and the first and third series listed only got better from their first 3D game IMO.

[@nintyfan1991]

You mention Wolf, and I'd argue Doom as well. Doom 3 wasn't a favorite, but it still did well for what it was even before the Bethesda reboots, which were more like the originals with a mix of Metroid Prime.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@nintyfan1991 Was there a 2D Doom?

[@nintyfan1991]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 Kind of. The early games were all 2D sprites, programmed to make an illusion to be "3D". FPS weren't truly 3D until Quake, Duke (which had more 3d rendering alongside 2D sprites), and even Goldeneye.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@nintyfan1991 I feel calling Doom a 2D game is disingenuous to everyone. All games are 2D if you want to get technical as its displayed on a 2D plane (obviously not including VR). Having the game use no not use polygons isn't the debate here. Its can you explore the space in 3 dimensions, and Doom qualifies for exploring a space in 3 dimensions.

[@roguerifter9724]

I don't recall any pre-3D Doom games. I thought the series started as a First Person Shooter and didn't know there were any 2D games before the 93 FPS. Were they stealth games like the 80s Wolfenstein games?

[@daleracer4233]

Maximo is underrated. Gets way too much hate.

[@kekeke8988]

I picked it up in the bargain bin at blockbuster and loved it. Couldn't say the same for Virtua Fighter 5 or whatever.

[@cultofdis]

The ultimate worst 2D to 3D failure is Tetris.

[@gatsu_97]

That was really funny when you said you hated repeating characters twice in a sentence. I can't stand doing that too, so I related 😂

[@Fahrenheit38]

Castlevania 64 is a good game. Especially when compared to the slop on the n64. I'll even go so far to say most people thought it was good till that avgn episode. Also, stop saying the second 64 title is a remake of the first one. That is wrong and when people regurgitate that over and over its becoming more and more accepted as truth

[@sdmayday]

Challenge: Are there any games that went the way from originally being 3D to 2D? I doubt you can come up with ten series that did this! Ports or spinoffs for older handheld consoles do not count if hardware limitations could be seen as the reason why. I am honestly curious to see if there are any at all...

[@yittmashups]

There's got to be a few cases, but I can't at all come up with any examples.

[@eof6270]

Bloodrayne

[@TheRealKaiProton]

I always liked MK4's Goro, looked like a plush toy version

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

Earthworm Jim was the very FIRST example that came to mind. Lol.

[@charlesgoudreau5732]

This ending skit is my favorite so far. I laughed out loud.

[@kevins8071]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but Bubsy 3D looks better than Paperboy. Dear God, I think I just broke my brain.

[@Protoman85]

How can you show Bubsy 3D then ask if there's a game that looks worse than Paperboy on N64?

[@GameSack]

Bubsy is brighter and sharper... so there's that.

[@StarDragonJP]

I didn't even know about MK4 until like 15 years after it came out. I thought they went from Trilogy to Deadly Alliance

[@wolftickets1969]

Dishonorable mentions: Pitfall 3D: Beyond The Jungle, Fade To Black (the sequel to Flashback: The Quest For Identity), Strider 2(not to be confused with the even worse Strider Returns), Bionic Commando 2009, Castlevania 64 and Legacy of Darkness, Solar Assault Gradius

[@GuiOmania]

Mortal Kombat 4 is great so underated those day !!! I am glad i am not the only fan here !!!

[@GetLostGames1]

Great video! I looked at this title and immediately thought “donkey Kong 64”. What a mess that game was. Poor earthworm Jim. 3D could have been great for him. RIP EJ

[@StRoRo]

You failed to mention the best bit about the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, you can unlock the original arcade game. ;)

[@gc8972b]

_air drums Game Sack's ending music_

[@solofalcon]

going from 16 bit to 64 bit was savage on alot of games series

[@chriswheatley3146]

Paperboy for the N64 looks like something that Tim Burton would have designed

[@BrentWalker999]

Still one of the best retro channels!

[@jonathangatto]

3:04 CANT WAIT TIL IT COMES OUT ON THE AMICO!

[@Shawn__Martin]

I was sold on the gaming pill until I heard loss of your middle toe. That's my favorite toe, no deal.

[@durulvarol]

After the Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 it was pretty downhill but I enjoyed Mortal Kombat 4 in arcade, pc and ps1 back at the day.

[@AJR-zg2py]

And barely more than 10 second in you've got Bubsy on the monitor behind you. Oh, this vid is gonna be good lol.