Serpents of the Abyss: Plesiosaurs of Kaimere | Science Fantasy Worldbuilding

[@stephenlamb4212]

So Kiamere has its own Loch Ness monster except this one isn’t a hoax

[@TalesofKaimere]

Haha yup!

[@ewaszot1243]

@Marshal Marrs no plesiosaurs are one of thous extinct animals we know did not have lips

[@stefanmoorejr]

@marshalmarrs3269 The fact that they live under water and and most of them had a pisicivorus(hope that's right) lifestyle is pretty good evidence for me.

[@FatFish7600]

And a bit more dangerous than on earth :p

[@Masterplanfoiler]

​@marshalmarrs3269lips are meant to hold in food but they're also used to keep teeth moist. Since plesiosaurus live in water, they don't need lips to keep their teeth moist.

[@dudotolivier6363]

I love the Norse/Celtic/Viking like music vibe theme that play during all the entire episode ! Don't know why, but she fitt so perfectly with the current subject !

[@TalesofKaimere]

Absolutely! I started thinking of bagpipes because of the Loch Ness monster, but it felt like a good pairing overall. Had originally been looking for something more eerie, but the mournful bagpipes just hit me.

[@dudotolivier6363]

@@TalesofKaimere Well, in addition, you had you're Loch Ness/Nessie Monster tribute in the end noneless ! 👍

[@jacobjerny7502]

I like the use of bagpipes in the background music. A subtle nod to the Loch Ness Monster lol.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Absolutely! I had originally been looking for something more eerie but this fit way too well.

[@TheSandwhichman108]

This music gives me the feeling of visiting an ancient ocean where marine giants once ruled. A world where even with the arms race of predator and prey the world was truly at peace…Perfectly balanced…As all things should be.

[@Ds_D_D]

Something about a massive plesiosaur absolutely dunking on a just as massive kraken puts a smile on my face.

[@dawiddorda7793]

You are EVIL MAN, Keenan Taylor! You give us one of the most amazing and awaited episodes like almost ever, and in it you casually mention marine therapsids?! EVIL! But seriously, masterpiece. From the sound in the background, content, complexity, art... I think that suspese and expectations buildup since the very beginning set the bar rather high, but You still managed to clear it with meters to spare, and smack us in the face with this marine therapsid... Man, never change.

[@TalesofKaimere]

haha thank you so much! I'm chuffed. I always like to keep myself excited for the next thing, and it seems only fair that I drop some of these plans as hints in these episodes!

[@chheinrich8486]

@@TalesofKaimere hey you mentioned the dragons in the bat episode, its your thing

[@zedbee2736]

The grakogen are like little hummingbird elasmosaurs! What an awesome idea, I love it

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks!!

[@Andrey.Ivanov]

Indeed a long awaited episode, but it was definitely worth the wait. Witnessing kadanuk must be something incredible, especially if it's while it lifts a kraken above the surface. The zanitel is terrifying as always. And the pups are cute. Also 1 question: We know that short-necked plesiosaurs are more diverse in the northern hemisphere but I wonder if Thalassocolubrus the only genus of long-necked plesiosaurs on the entire planet or is that just the case in the Known World region and there are others elsewhere? Actually I thought of another question while writing this - How advanced are the methods which the people at the great library are able to employ? Because if they are able to study the neuron density of the brains of plesiosaurs they must be far exceeding the avarage level of technology in Kaimere, because for one they need the tech to be able to see the neurons, but they also have to know what exactly they are looking at. Did they figure that out on their own, or are they in touch with people from Earth? Either way I think it will be great to have a video that goes into more detail about the Great Library, and also one about the Assembly at some poit.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you! It was such a delight to put together, even if the length and amount of art made it take longer than usual! 1. They have outcompeted most long necked taxa in the southern hemisphere. The daikogen is the most comfortable in warmer waters and has spread north into the tropics so has likely outcompeted the other long-necked generalists in Kairul. Might have some smaller tropical taxa. The shodima and kadanuk are most common in polar and temperate oceans but have spread north, though likely not in enough population to outcompete the more diverse elasmosaurs up north. I also don't yet know what competition they will be up against so they both might be restricted to the waters south of the equator. 2. The Great Library indeed has a lot of very sophisticated and specialized technology, some developed on their own, others repurposed First Children magitech. We see some of their tech in the first short story of my new anthology, including a magic dampener, magic locks, and get some insight into their nomenclature and knowledge of the natural world.

[@Andrey.Ivanov]

@@TalesofKaimere Very interesting. Thanks for the thorough reply. My current plan is to order both books after the holidays, and I can't wait to see what intriguing details I'll find within the stories when I finally get around to read them.

[@skistorm739]

@@TalesofKaimere what human tech junk got portal in?

[@glarnboudin4462]

Glad to see my favorite marine reptiles getting their due!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah!!

[@rohaerys4592]

As you do most of your drawings using physical equipment, I was wondering what method do you use to photograph them for use in your videos?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Yup! All of my drawings are in colored pencil, then I scan them onto my computer and use Photoshop to clean them up and do backgrounds.

[@alghoulaj7172]

Okay, where do I start with this marvelous episode? The marine Therapsids, which is the coolest concept, as they convergently have some ressemblance to whales, 200 million years ago? Or the fact that Pliosaurs in Kaimere were so amazing, they held on to the Dynastic extinction, which is this close? Or the fact that the Plesiosaurs are decendant of one genus? Or the fact that the Kadanuk is absolutely gigantic in size, like, even bigger than what I initially though? Or the fact that the Shodima is utterly terrifying? Or the fact that the Zanitel isn't the apex predator, well, he is technically, but not as much as I did think? Or even the fact that there is some pliosaurs-mimics in the Elasmosaurs of Kaimere? Or the Killer Cachalot, which is..., the Orca I presume? 30/10 episode, no discussion! There it is, the reasons why Kaimere is Always very interesting. Elasmosaurs were one of the four icons of the mesosoic Era, well, the marine eco system of it at least, and to see how well they're doing, like the mosasaurs in Kaimere... Guess that's it for the Mosasoic Marine predators of Kaimere, or there is more?

[@TalesofKaimere]

I'm so so glad you enjoyed! This was such a treat to work on I loved every minute.

[@alghoulaj7172]

@@TalesofKaimere I'm happy you did enjoy working on it the most. It's just amazing tbh, the quality, and especially, the entire video, I was hoping it would not end. Anyways, this was more than worth the wait. Please keep up, and thank you for giving us such an amazing world. Kaimere is one tropic that I'll always enjoy. Well, as soon as I can afford it, hopefully, I'm definitely buying your books, ALL of them...

[@thephilosoraptor8565]

Hi Keenan this video was amazing!! The thrashing behaviour to take down larger prey, flipping over to scout for prey on the sea floor and northern elasmosaurs converging on a pliosaur-like bodyplan make this episode my favourite so far!! Great job on the genus name btw, when I tried to give sea serpents realistic cladistics a few years back, "Thalattoanguis" was what Google translate spat out, but _Thalassocolubrus_ sounds soooo much better! Just wondering, the Kadanuk and maybe Shodima seem to have ridges on their backs like leatherback turtles, is there any evidence plesiosaurs had these structures irl? Kadanuk is still my favourite btw, the kraken-killing scarlet serpent of the abyss will never not be the coolest thing anyone has ever created ever

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you so much! There is no evidence of osteoderms in fossil plesiosaurs. The kadanuk and shodima have them oriented in ridges, making for more consolidated but stronger structures, whereas the zanitel and daikogen have them more spread out for less concentrated but wider spread protection. Leading theories are that the stronger concentration helps the two deeper-diving species, but this isn't confirmed.

[@vasantmasurekar4826]

Absolutely awesome episode. Elasmosaurs are such a great species and it's brilliant to see them in Kaimere

[@TalesofKaimere]

Absolutely! Thanks so much!

[@dudotolivier6363]

"Elasmosaurs", not Elasmosaurus. Because if this genus or several relatives from the same family, the Elasmosauridae, have being harvested on Kaimere, and this family being a always an extant living one in Modern Kaimere, it's obvious since that is a long time that every of the orignals species and genus ancestors have become extinct or evolved into new distinct form.

[@liambrandley2716]

Despite all the harvests in the last 15 million years, Kaimere remains a world dominated and defined by Mesozoic fauna and this video illustrated this perfectly! Well done!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you! Wanted to show that even if at first glance it seems a primordial world, its fauna are still dynamic, ever evolving, and just as competitive as more recent fauna.

[@brolociraptor9577]

By far one of your most impressive works, phenomenal work Keenan

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so much! Was a lot to put together but I'm really proud of it!

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

Once again you have tell us a wonderful tale about the beasts of this strange World, and what a wonderful tale it was. Thanks to you I now know how to implement plesiosaurs under the context of my Skull Island recreation, the shodima and the daigoken being the Best examples of what I am looking for, and orcas too would be their nemesis, but as predators. Thank you for show us this speculative marvels, few spec worlds are as beautiful as yours, and I'm glad to have discover it

[@williamminsinger7130]

Fantastic as always. I've always been more of mosasaur guy but this makes me want to study real Plesiosaurs more as well. On Kaimere they seem to have been in the right place and the right time to present a solution for every major marine biome. We gotta hear more about the Marine Therapsids though at some point!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Plesiosaurs were so neat and unfortunately are so often relegated to background elements of paleoart. They definitely are thriving in Kaimere! And best believe there will be more on the marine therapsids down the road!

[@acrogiga]

Great video Keenan! Once I first found out that plesiosaurs were planned for this month, I was definitely excited and now glad to see that it was greater than what I thought it would be. This may even be one of my favorite videos you have created so far, not to mention that plesiosaurs (specifically elasmosaurs and pliosaurs) are some of my favorite prehistoric animals. Keep up the good work dude!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you so much! They are clearly near and dear to me too! Too often overlooked.

[@acrogiga]

So true, elasmosaurs are usually shown as punching bags for mosasaurs in the media, while pliosaurs are almost never shown besides a few cases in documentaries.

[@chancegivens9390]

Absolutely fantastic episode! I'm a huge fan of Plesiosaurs.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you!

[@stefanmoorejr]

A long overdue video and but worth the wait. Good job👍 While pliosaurs are still present in my world their range is *very* limited and their long necked cousins (called Rhorunda) are far more diverse. In an area named the shattered sea some like the wreck'a'thlass prey on animals that cross from one arm to the next in search of food.

[@BigBossMan538]

I love this! Plesiosaurs are so cool! I heard that they’re exact relation to Earth life is a bit of a mystery, partially why I like them. They’re so weird! Plus, I’m glad to see freshwater species here. I can see a Watigoga snagging an unaware beaver building it’s dam

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah. I also feel like their mysterious origins and relationships lends to their general mystique. A very compelling group of animals. And yeah poor beavers can't catch a break lol

[@theawesomegoblins5986]

I was gonna sit down and watch some older videos and then I just see this… thanks!

[@TalesofKaimere]

My absolute pleasure!

[@manateeoverlord7507]

Maan I love this episode! I finally understand the diference between Zanitel and Kadanuk! Plesiosaurs are very interesting and I can’t wait to read about the Zanitel in the Anthology! Also the sound design for this episode is awesome, I love it!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so so much!

[@GreatAukEntertainment]

Kaimerean seas are truly Hells Aquarium! Also what is that instrument that is being used throughout this whole video?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks! That is a set of bagpipes, a reference to the Loch Ness monster being from Scotland!

[@sivanlevi3867]

These plesiosaurs are absolutely incredible! I've never seen depictions of marine reptiles with tail fins, but yours are some the best looking I've ever seen. My favorite is the Shodima, I'm a sucker for blue creatures. Crocodiles will use the same thrashing technique as the Kadanuk and Zanitel, breaking off the heads of their prey first before eating the rest. I also like the freshwater plesiosaurs, as I am a firm believer in lake monsters and it's good to know that in another world, they do exist. I intend to have a wider variety of these animals in my own fantasy world, including my own personal favorite from Earth's fossil record.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so much! The tail fin isn't fully agreed upon, it may have been a horizontal fluke, but the plesiosaur experts I spoke with all leaned towards vertical fins so that's the direction I went. Basically flukes would aid in speed, fins in agility, and I figured since they were already investing a lot in agility and in Kaimere don't generally specialize in super fast prey, doubling down on agility made the most sense. You might have noted the extinct pliosaur had horizontal flukes as they likely probably would benefit from added speed as a pursuit predator.

[@sivanlevi3867]

@@TalesofKaimere Indeed I did notice that about pliosaurs. I love these guys, even if on Earth, pliosaurs were likely outcompeted by mosasaurs in the early Cretaceous. I also like the diversity in niches among these creatures as this kind of speculation is not always explored by paleontologists. I also never thought of the neck discrepancy between plesiosaur clades since there are some clades with more long-necks and some with more short-necks, never realizing that they can be both no matter their relations.

[@Acridotheresfuscus]

I absolutely love the coloration on these plesiosaurs. It's pretty interesting that kaimere has its own loch Ness monster that's not a hoax. Also Grakogens are absolute menaces and I love them.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks! Had tons of fun with the grakogen. Love me a menacing goblin archetype.

[@Acridotheresfuscus]

@@TalesofKaimere Really loved the goblin like design too! Keep up the good work dude!

[@eduardwiebe3737]

you gotta explain that Dragon one day

[@TalesofKaimere]

I will! If nothing else they will get an episode next year since one of the stories of the third anthology will feature a dragon rider.

[@eduardwiebe3737]

@@TalesofKaimere ooooooo, this will be interesting

[@SkylerTheCryodrakon69]

After 87 years it’s finally here

[@TalesofKaimere]

I’ll be retired before the pterosaur episode

[@Viatoreptil]

Thank you for another awesome video on Kaimere. I'm always impressed by your applications of evolution and ecology in all the taxa you expand on. Also...what evolves into having the "dragon body plan (if not a homunculus)?!" 16:40?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you! And that’s a flying therocephalian from the Permian islands!

[@minecraftdinokaijumdk992]

It was a long wait, but glad we got this episode, nonetheless. Always liked Plesiosaurs, especially with how surprisingly diverse they can be. Somewhat related to the episode, though, my question is that if Great White sharks are technically "confirmed" to be on Kaimere by this episode, then what does that mean for the Panther Shark that was mentioned back in the shark video? (Especially since it was mentioned to be "Kaimere's answer to the Great White.")

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so much, and great question! Panther sharks dominate the niche in the tropics, especially in the inland sea, and the great white is extremely rare in the known world. They are, however, found in greater numbers in the colder waters. Not as common or successful as the panther shark, but they are present.

[@dudotolivier6363]

The Fanart at 23:53 and the one at 24:51 are from mine ! - Title : The Reminiscence of the Pliosaurs (at 23:53) "Somewhere at the very borders of the Known World up to the North, at the entrance between Arvel's North coast and Ni'Khar South-West coast, which open out on the Sea of the Dancing Sun and to the Inner Sea afterfard, a young Zhagogen swim at the bottom of the water near a cliff. Slenderer, longer and finer than an adult, this explorer specimen will visit the Known World where it's specie is time to time occasional, being already at the areas where begin the Seagrass Meadow of the Known World. He will maybe remain one or two weeks, before returning to his original territories. Near him, swim at their own occupation, a generic Moray Eel (up-right), a generic Ray (lower-right), three undefined ammonites (up-left. a relative specie to the undefined one from the Jul 30, 2021 DeviantArt post for the Toothed Whales episode), an undefined Frilled Shark specie (lower-left, from the Chlamydoselachidae family, close to the genus Chlamydoselachus but who evolved to live near the surface in Seagrass areas), an unknown shark specie from a very old pre-Mesozoic legacy harvest (up-middle, with the head unseen), and one specie relative of the bottom feeder Knotted Drillfish ammonite that live in the Inner Sea defending herself from an undefined Goblin Shark specie (from the Mitsukurinidae family, close to the genus Mitukurina, who follow the same evolution than the previous undefined frilled shark), composed the scenery." Overall picture inspired by Zdenek Burian's Kronosaurus panting. Made primarily for the "Elamosaurs of Kaimere" video. Note: the image is supposed to be a little blurred. Perhaps an error in encrusting with the software that Keenan had to use. However, it's postible for Everyone who Want to see it More Better to Find This Same Fanart at Facebook Social Account of Keenan. At the post of 12 December 2022 at 16 HOUR 46 pm. Now the One of the 11 December 2022 at 16 HOUR 09 pm. And the one of the 10december 2022 at 17 HOUR 16 pm.) - Title : The Dolichorhynchops-like Elasmosaur (at 24:51) "Somewhere at the border of the Inner Sea and the Sea of Ice/The Abyss regions, a pair, male and female, of Gragogen elasmosaurs attack and feed on a vast group of generic undefined Flying Fishes. Others piscivorous animals join them to this aquatic ballet, like a generic true False Killer Whale from a specie occasional in the Known World (due to the Qrin/Nobu presence), a generic Tuna and a generic Swordfish (and not a Marlin fish I prefer to precise). All of them will eat until satisfied." Picture inspired by Zdenek Burian's Peloneustes painting, and by the aquatic ballets on Earth where dolphins, sharks, whales, sea birds and numerous others aquatic fishes feed on large groups of sardines or anchovies.

[@dudotolivier6363]

I made some writing mistakes : "The image isN'T supposed to be a little blurred". "(Note: the image isn't supposed to be a little blurred. Perhaps an error in encrusting with the software that Keenan had to use. However, it's postible for everyone who want to see it more better to find this same fanart at Facebook Social Account of Keenan. At the post of 12 December 2022 at 16 hour 46 pm; the one of the 11 December 2022 at 16 hour 09 pm. And the one of the 10 December 2022 at 17 hour 16 pm.)" Sorry for the grammatical errors.

[@FatFish7600]

They looked good!

[@dudotolivier6363]

I like a lot the fact that you depict Plesiosaurs/Elamosaurs in your spec evo world as more monstrous animal, like really terrifying and threatening beast ! Because, most of the time, they are 90% of the time in documentaries and paleomedias production depicted just and only as dociles, peaceful animals that swim slowly and eating small fishes (in short, like marine equivalents versions of the Sauropods), and often put as background creatures too. But in real life, now, at our modern understanding of these animals, we know that in fact, these species were able to swim more faster than we thought, be able to defend themselves against big predators, and include in their diet more bigger animals. Among others stuffs ! I also appreciate a lot that, in Kaimere, they are, with Anurognathid for example, one of the animals group that don't have really change in 66-65 millions years, remaining mostly unchanged physically. Evidence of their success as a prolific group. If you're enough adapted physically speaking to face any kind of obstacle, why even change ? Also, just to said that, but I thing it's worth to note this, but it's important to take into account how far and big the name "Elasmosaur" have become an abusive term to refer to these animals, and a misleading term in some extend ! (like here in this video for example). Because this word refer first to the Elasmosauridae (which belong Elasmosaurus), but this family herself belong to the Plesiosauroidea super-family, which is compose herself by several families wwhith members also called as Elasmosaurs thus they aren't in the same family than the Elasmosauridae. These familes are the Aristonectidae, Cryptoclididae, Microcleididae, Plesiosauridae, who are all composed by members who very very similars to the true Elasmosaurid but weren't part of the same family. Outside true Elasmosaurid, members from this families must very likely swim in the seas of kaimere too, just they live outside the Known World region. (because, like all the others videos of the channel, except exceptions, only the species presents and/or, at least, recorded inside the Known Wolrd region are described and presented). There also the Polycotylidae, the most short-necked members of this super-family, with the Leiptocleidid. But really, was a very good episode ! Despite that Kaimere is mean first to be a spec evo world, it's good to see that this setting can be used to depict and show true things that really occured in real life and to show the lastest discoveries about entire group of animals from which we have great outdated ideas and views.

[@liambrandley2716]

This was one of the groups I've been most wanting to see in a video, along with pterosaurs, crocodilians, and other dinosaurs.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Absolutely! Hope I get a sponsor for pterosaurs soon! There's going to be even more new art needed for that one so it will definitely have to wait a bit.

[@burksaurus9410]

I really like how the plesiosaurs in Kaimere are very diverse taking on different niches and can be man eaters eating Kaimerans. But I like the bagpipes since the Loch Ness monster is seen to be a plesiosaur

[@bonemarrow3439]

I've been excitedly waiting for this for so long, ever since the teases from the whale episodes. For all my curiosity, this has been satisfying!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! So glad to hear it!

[@coreys.2456]

I’ve been looking forward to this and holy crap, the Kadanuk is awesome. One of my favorite animals on Kaimere, now. Can’t imagine what seeing that leviathan (or any of them, really) in person would be like. Also, I love their color patterns. They look especially vibrant compared to most other creatures featured so far. Just a few questions: 1. Do titanosaurs or sauropods in general ever cross paths with these creatures or do they live too far apart from one another? I know at least some titans can swim but I’m not sure how far out they can go. 2. I see your latest anthology features a battle between a Zanitel and Orca hybrid which is neat since their ranges overlap. But how would the Kadanuk fair against the Motomazor? I know the former are deep divers and don’t venture toward the surface often but I figured that conflict has occurred between them and the giant mosasaur before at least in the past. 3. How long do these things live? Since they’re pretty similar to whales in how they operate and coordinate, would they live as long? 4. Are the dark and light spots on the shoulders and tail of these serpent-necked plesiosaurs utilized in any kind of display? I’ve seen many animals in my lifetime that have markings like that and they usually have similar purposes.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked them. The kadanuk are a lot of fun since their need for camouflage is really only for deep ocean prey and they can afford to be a lot brighter as adults. 1. The wawakoku (small island hopper) and daikogen (meadow serpent) definitely cross paths. Daikogen are one of the many reasons baby titans remain on their islands. 2. Motomazor are predators of kadanuk, but a healthy adult can reliably defend themselves. 3. As pretty extreme K-selection species, they have long lives. 60 years is probably average for the smaller species, with some living longer, and the kadanuk can live well over a century. The grakogen is an exception. These goblins probably only like 10-15 years with a much faster growth (maturity closer to 2-3 years). 4. They definitely are for display. In the sketch of the orcas and zanitel feeding, the zanitel has assumed a display posture where she spreads her flippers, show her armored back with those bright spots, and looks ahead while she feeds.

[@theprehistoricprofessor9076]

The wait of this episode was worth it!

[@TalesofKaimere]

So glad to hear it!!

[@dinomatians9889]

this was a amazing video and the plesiosaurs looked amazing. its always so cool to.see the different kimerein animals and learn habitats

[@wur7864]

After that, I wanted to hear even more about therapsids

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! Always more to unpack!

[@bacleedon5670]

Wait what.! Marines Therapsids😮! Sounds cool, I want to know more of this group.

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

Something I just realized looking at the Motomazor. Is the curving white stripe just before the fin meant to mimic gill flaps? I know cetaceans (and maybe other animals) are known to target to gills of sharks when attacking them. This a strategy to try and divert attention from the eyes?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Makes sense when megalodon is one of the biggest and baddest threats around. Especially in conjunction with the eye spots being another target.

[@ryanchen1819]

Dwarf and pygmy sperm whales also have "fake/false gills".

[@ScanovatheCarnotaurus]

@@ryanchen1819 So they do. I'll be damned.

[@reedchalder9907]

I hope you make a part 2 of the kraken video because it’s so fascinating when it comes to cephalopods also this video was fantastic you did a wonderful job

[@TalesofKaimere]

Absolutely! While I loved the ammonite episode it would be cool to do one specifically on krakens.

[@Huitizilopochtli]

Incredible video. Clearly one of the best. Do you realize tough now we need a video on the marine therapsids?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you!! Haha we will learn more about the strange and wondrous creatures in the northern hemisphere in future episodes!

[@christosgiannopoulos828]

I know this is a coincidence, but I'm glad this came out while I'm still fresh out of Avatar 2 (which had similar creature)

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! I haven't seen it yet but the trailers show a lot of horse-sized plesiosaur-mimics that I really like the look of.

[@christosgiannopoulos828]

@@TalesofKaimere I recommend you see it for the creatures alone. Some of them even play a big role in the plot

[@markhewett9307]

Stunning as normal, great job! Perchance, are there any of the marine therapsids remaining, in or outside the known world?

[@markhewett9307]

Aaaand I just realized that you mentioned them as still extant north of the known world, sorry.

[@TalesofKaimere]

I'm probably going to still have some in the north but it's too soon to say for certain. Definitely other clades of marine therapsids have come about from the Permian islands/continent.

[@markhewett9307]

nice, thanks!

[@dudotolivier6363]

Keenan Taylor's Social Accounts post's descriptions : - At 11:29 : "A grandfather whale, used to thinking himself king of these cold waters, suddenly finds himself on the menu." - At 11:18 : "A scene from Tempered in Ash and Blood, final novella in my latest anthology, in which Hungry Shadow strikes a common blackfish against the surface." - At 1:04 : "While on patrol between the Permian Islands, a dragon rider spots a large short-necked elasmosaur (maybe a Zhakogen or another larger specie) with an entourage of sharks." (personnal note : Remind me a little the Mosasaurus and Orca team up testimony photo we can see in the DinoTracker website for JWD.) And, even if unrelated, for the one who can questioned if can the dragon fly naturally or does it use magic ? Well, both. Has magic supplements (a bladder that in wild forms filled with air but in domesticated familiars filled with negatively buoyant gas via magic to help them fly at these larger sizes) but they mostly fly via wings. Only apply for the tamed specimens, not the wild ones. And about the dragon rider, it's a Permian Islander. Permian Islanders aren’t Kaimerans, they’re descendants of the H. erectus radiation that gave rise to the peoples of Kairul and the Tlaton of Kaishel. - At 7:48 : "Shodima about to have a Prionace snack" Btw, this specie of shark in question belong to the same exact genus than the Blue Shark (Prionace glauca) and he's as an effect a close relative to this later. Since it's in the exact same genus, these sharks, while not being aren't the exact same specie, are like this later in everything. Same diet, lifestyle, ecology, behavirors, etc.... So, it's exactly like if we actually have the real Blue Shark in definitive. - At 0:58, 4:10 (the green dominant composed image with several, at the base, independant illustration merge togethers) : "Daikogen (durophagus elasmosaur) pup watching his mother catch a lobster. Like all elasmosaurs in this clade, he primarily eats regurgitated crop milk for the first few months of his life." "Daikogen exhibiting two early stages of hunting behavior: As their eyes are atop their head, when visually seeking prey, they often swim along the surface upside down to utilize their binocular vision. Long tongues not only aid in prey capture, but also draw in scent particles." - At 2:00 : "Although pliosaurs are long extinct in Kaimere, they had a long tenure as marine apex predators, from the first Jurassic dynasty all the way to the middle of the Tyrant Dynasty as they were restricted to polar regions and eventually outcompeted by smaller generalist elasmosaurs." The Pliosaurid species of this black and white picture being an undefined specie. just for the representation to give a good look of how the pliosaurid look overall during their golden age.

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

badass snake/lizard/swan-orcas ftw!

[@ewaszot1243]

1:04 kaimere dragon !!!!

[@canonbehenna612]

Dragons are coming

[@TalesofKaimere]

AHHH YEAHH

[@microphone_styxosaurus7078]

Dude, this was AWESOME! You plesis are nuts!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! Thanks!

[@Tarbtano]

Excellent video and diversity of forms. Great to see elasmosaurs be given their dues instead of just getting bodied by mosasaurs. I feel really bad for Livyatan and the macroraptorial whales. It just seems to just exist to constantly keep getting bullied by small social predators.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! They have been in the shadows for too long. Macroraptorial whales are doing okay, but they definitely don't run the show like they did in the middle era of the post-Tyrant Dynasty seas.

[@Tarbtano]

@@TalesofKaimere Count on Kaimere to show the obscure some love :) Could I possibly field a critique on something I have noticed however?

[@chheinrich8486]

Now i have a new idea for a Video: all the large and especially fully aquaric amphibians

[@bagelthief8159]

Excellent job making the intro it’s really good

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so much!!

[@fraan9002]

*Insert William Dafoe looking up gif* As a gigantic Kadanuk is about to crash a whole Kraken against my ship. Awesome video about Kaimere, Keenan one of the best!

[@TalesofKaimere]

haha a perfect image for it. Thanks so much!

[@ryanchen1819]

Seeing that the zanitel's range is more widespread (northern) than I initially would've thought, I have some more questions of this creature. 1. How do zanitel interact with other leviathans/predators such as kurajaku, katabo, and horned krakens? 2. What would happen if a zanitel was put in SeaWorld?

[@TalesofKaimere]

1. In these northern waters, they really only venture during the winter or while chasing summer upwells. They definitely avoid kurajaku. Katabo are almost never encountered as they much prefer sticking to reefs. 2. As they are social creatures, it would struggle if it didn't have its pod. Acclimating them to people and having them associate people with food could have devastating consequences.

[@ryanchen1819]

@@TalesofKaimere Some more questions about the zanitel. 1. What are the exact size measurements of the zanitel? 2. Would grandfather whales prey on lone zanitel? 3. Could zanitel pods mob larger predators?

[@Littlekoji-df1cf]

Now I really wanna learn more info about the Permian dynasty😄

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! All in good time

[@ryanchen1819]

Some question about the shodima. 1. In one of your old posts if I remember correctly, you said that shodimas employ lunge feeding when hunting fish. Do they still do this? 2. How do shodimas interact with eagle whales and sohiajoon?

[@seanregensburg5532]

You should totally do a video on the flightless birds of kaimere one day

[@TalesofKaimere]

Would make a good episode! Rheas are especially common so would be a good focus

[@ryanchen1819]

Which harvest did the cachalots (and maybe beaked whales) come from?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Would likely have been Northern Europe 800k years ago for the cachalot, and beaked whales were eligible in several harvests going back to the Miocene. Not sure if cachalot is an archaic member of the modern genus or a new one. To be determined.

[@EJinSkyrim]

1:04 - I saw that, Keenan!! Ocean life scares me. It really, truly does. Also did you just say GIANT. MARINE. THERAPSIDS???? Cursed. Cursed Kaimeran ocean life. McYikes. Inspiring, but Yikes. Also I didn't realize why this episode had bagpipes as the music until I made the Nessie connection. :D Clever!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Much appreciated! And yes, the dragons will get their due haha.

[@travisgould5423]

Short necks are pliosaurs like Lieooleuradon and Kronasaurus.

[@dudotolivier6363]

The the illustration at the start of the video and at 9:39, with the Kadanuk battling a Horned Kraken, come from a DeviantArt post, that I recommend everyone to check btw, published at Jan 7, 2022. Named "What's a King to a God?", it's an illustration under the form of a short story of a normal event of a hunt of a old male Horned Kraken targeting a female adult Kadanuk (a good hundred years old female, because Kadanuk haven't real predator when adults and can live for very long !). The final issue of the battle and the winner is unknown, but the setting is really exciting to read !

[@barybarsboldia197]

So is the watigoga the lochness monster on earth or have any animals from kaimere ever come through the portal to earth?

[@suggiethames9870]

So what is up next for this series of videos?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Next up is Childhood in Kaimere

[@reedchalder9907]

you should do a part 2 to the ammonite episode it would be super fun

[@SaintBigfoot]

I love the markings on their backs, as they resemble large eyes after a fashion. I’m guessing it’s a threat displace??

[@TalesofKaimere]

It certainly is! It is also a guide of sorts, provoking competitors to strike there as it is the most reinforced part of their torso

[@dboot8886]

Yknow... odd tangent... Are fungi going to be featured? I've just gotten into really diving into fungi lore... uh... facts... and they are an *awesome* kingdom to explore!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Fungi are absolutely present in Kaimere, but I haven't had anyone come forward to sponsor them. I would absolutely be down to explore them though!

[@leoornstein3963]

Finally, Sea Serpent!

[@TalesofKaimere]

AH YEAH

[@alexanderstavroulakis335]

Can these plesiosaurs vocalize? I heard a few underwater growls in the video.

[@TalesofKaimere]

A little bit, but most of their communication is visual and touch.

[@TedShatner10]

1:36 looks like a heavily derived, fully aquatic descendant of a Dimetrodon.

[@tozarkt9805]

Great video, as always! If you don’t mind, I have a couple of questions: 1) how far does the portal’s influence extend, both in how far an organism be generated from the portal and how far harvested organisms go from the portal, like what stops sparrows and deer from marching across continents? And 2) If the average human from the modern day was to be dropped in Kaimere, what would be the best and worst place for them to be in?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Great questions! When the portal operated normally, it could replicate pretty much anywhere within the known world, so would try to put animals in their most analogous habitat. Didn’t always work out and some animals definitely migrated from their original place of harvest and ended up doing quite well.

[@TalesofKaimere]

Assuming the portal didn’t replicate normally, probably the best place would be in the portal city. One of the worst places (within reason so we can exclude the glaciers of the North Pole or the bottom of the Abyss) most dangerous might be Kairul. Humans have been there for around a million years in the form of H. erectus so a lot of animals are familiar with pre-industrial tech and view people as viable food.

[@dudotolivier6363]

@@TalesofKaimere "The portal didn’t replicate normally" because no more the master of his own action and his commanded by first the First Childrens and after by the Kaimeran. Outside that, the Portal replicate exceptionaly well the organisims. The spread and migration of animal after being harvested and put in and from the Known World depend following the context of this region at th time of the harvst and the animals themselves. Normaly, between each harvest, every animals legacy from each must have time to established and spread inside and outside the Known Wolrd more or less far beyond his borders. But for some animals, like primates for example, they can go farer than the known world or to go in some specific areas or continents due to natural barriers (such open deserts) or analogous animals in the same niches than them. For example, true modern primates such small and big apes, being forested animals that need trees, they are restricted to the Known World, the entire Western Arvel Continent and some of them manage to go and establihed on Kaishel. Not farer on the Ni'Khar Northern Continent or Kairul due to the huge open space Houze prairie that composed a good par of the Northern Continent and due to the Adapiform on Kairul.

[@tozarkt9805]

Thank you! Also, this is a bit far back, but in this following video, (kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3iqf42Kdq90bJY) are all these post-dynastic extinction harvests on earth depicted in this video, or are these some examples of a larger number?

[@orcaman178]

Great job! Very detailed and interesting. Quick question, what's the name of kaimere's moon?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks! I haven't picked a name for it yet.

[@dudotolivier6363]

Random Question : About the Kadanuk... 1- him and his relatives possess two pairs of eyes-like spots (on their tails and at their shoulders). What are their uses of them ? to intimidates rivals and predators ? 2 - Also, second question, I remark that, in many Kadanuk illustrations, some specimens are obviously born without their pair of spots located normally at their shoulders (like at ). The fact that some specimens born without this spots at their shoulder can happen half the time or it's a rare occassion ? And the fact they have only one of the pairs of eyes-like spots on them is a disturbance for them of any kind ? can constitute a possible embarassement, especially when young ?

[@reedchalder9907]

i also hope you make a crustacean video as well

[@TalesofKaimere]

Someday!

[@walter1383]

This video was randomly recommended to me, and seeing this and some of your other works, instant subscribe. Both your style of art and many of your worldbuilding concepts reminds me of similar past projects of my own, which I've been meaning to get back into for some time now. Good stuff man!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thanks so much, and welcome! Working on projects like this are super fun and rewarding. Again, welcome, and happy worldbuilding!

[@ekaitzjuradoenciso2055]

Finally!

[@TalesofKaimere]

It is here!

[@dudotolivier6363]

Random Questions about smalls hints subjects mentionend in this video : 1 - speaking of the First Childrens, I think their binominal name, at the "Last natural harvest" video, who, I think too, have change since this latter, was Homo nevrospensis ? Right ? it's alway an actuality or not ? And what is his signification ? 2 - Are Seridic Wetland like/analogous the Okanvango Delta of Africa in overall shapes/visuals landscape ?

[@dalekrenegade2596]

What recent studies suggest the level of flexibility on the plesiosaurs here? I understood that they could at least stick their necks out but didn't have the strength or flexibility to do much else.

[@TalesofKaimere]

When the kadanuk bring their prey out of the water, the bodies are aligned with the neck. As for general flexibility, from the studying I did they can arc about in a pretty wide range (can look behind themselves in all directions) but would struggle to make an 'S' curve and certainly would not be at rest in such a position like swans they used to be based on.

[@bengaltiger1667]

Are there any pliosaurs anywhere in Kaimere? You mentioned that the kadanuk outcompeted pliosaurs in the depths, but I was wondering if any we still hanging around outside of the known world.

[@TalesofKaimere]

If any remain, and it's probably a no, it would be in the northern hemisphere, but I think the neopliosaurs outcompeted the last of those too.

[@TerranArt]

In such dangerous waters i‘d could easily imagine large robust Katamarans being used for netfishing with saltfilled hull for catch preservation, the net eing extended from between the two halfs.

[@TerranArt]

Like in a concept art for ‚horizon zero dawn forbidden west‘

[@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446]

1:40 Interesting how their tails have a vertical fluke. At what point did synapsids' spines became more vertically bendy, to the point where horizontal flukes would become the norm?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Was just the direction I chose to go for them. Seals and sea lions are in the same clade but one swims side to side while the other swims up and down. Probably will have other clades swim in the vertical plane.

[@twomato8902]

Good lord the Kadanuk is huge, we really need a chart of the heaviest and longest creatures in Kaimere, also, what is the difference between the Grandfather whales and the Cachalot?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Heck yeah! It's definitely a monster. Grandfather whale and killer cachalot are regional names for the same animal, a large descendant of Acrophyseter. The diver or common cachalot is a species of sperm whale related to the sperm whale of Earth. Same genus, different species.

[@johnnyvincent11]

Mmm who Will in kadanuk vs zanitel

[@TalesofKaimere]

Kadanuk has an enormous size advantage so in 1v1 they have my confidence

[@barybarsboldia197]

will we get a episode on the azdarkids of kaimere?

[@TalesofKaimere]

I hope to get. sponsor for a pterosaur episode, but it will probably end up being more expensive than a typical clade episode given how much art I will need to make for it. I do hope I get a sponsor for it soon though they are a rally important clade in Kaimere! If nothing else I will likely do some single-species episodes.

[@fleebogazeezig6642]

Question, if a kraken is being dragged to the surface by a Katanuk, would it be possible for a kraken to make an escape by latching off of it and escaping to the depths, I imagine that depending on how large the kraken was, the katanuk might be too exhausted from carrying it to chase after it again

[@TalesofKaimere]

Very true. While kadanuk have strong jaws and teeth meant to maintain a grip rather than tear flesh, they don't always keep hold and krakens can on occasion escape.

[@shingtiong9425]

This was a great episode. Also Keenan what do you think of the avatar movies the one with the blue people? You also mentioned that anybody who gets absorbed by the portal burns and die so how did kaimerans merchant not burn when trading with earth? How did plesiosaur evolve blubber?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you! I haven’t seen the new Avatar but I will probably make a review when I do. The merchants who went through died and were copied on Earth, then those copies died and were copied again on Earth.

[@TalesofKaimere]

As for blubber, since they are warm blooded animals, analogous lipids are reasonable speculation

[@maozilla9149]

were they Ichthyosaurs that were harvest like macropredator Ichthyosaurs hard-shelled eating Ichthyosaurs suction feeder ichthyosaurs and ram feeder ichthyosaurs or maybe the ichthyosaurs didnt last long on kaimere

[@dudotolivier6363]

The Zhagogen and the Grakogen, and their own realtives, are both, what is called on Kaimere, Neopliosaurs. A group of Elasmosaurs that evolved from long-necked species that have convergently evolved to look and fitt the same shape and niche than the true Pliosaurid. Being Elasmosaurs, they are close relatives to the long-necked species we see in this video. Thank to them, we have in a way pliosaurs without haveing really them !

[@nassimlariane6869]

Kadanuk, the god

[@seanessdracosaurus2793]

Awesome dude

[@n.g.s1mple29]

I thought elasmosaurs had pretty stiff necks? I notice the shodima seemed to have a pretty flexible one.

[@TalesofKaimere]

According to the folks I consulted, they could look behind themselves in all directions, but would only be able to do it in a single arc, so the swan-like S curve used so often in retro art would not be possible.

[@n.g.s1mple29]

@@TalesofKaimere I see

[@lochness5524]

With how many ocean predators the known world has, it might as well be called Hells Aquarium, like the Western Interior Seaway

[@Adam-sv5uo]

Species if they were real dinosaurs/prehistoric reptiles: 3:24 Cryptoclidus 7:34 Styxosaurus 8:47 Elasmosaurus 11:02 Turangisaurus 14:12 Rhomaleosaurus 16:21 Liopleurodon 17:15 Dollychorinchops

[@Potatoasaurs]

Kiamere would e a amazing game

[@burakka96]

*Pliosaurs will remember that*

[@TalesofKaimere]

I did them dirty

[@burakka96]

@@TalesofKaimere and they will rise from the ashes, mark my words, Keenan.

[@landenriley8442]

The abyss of Kaimere kinda reminds me of the trench from the Meg series

[@TalesofKaimere]

lol I haven't read them but I hope that's a compliment.

[@landenriley8442]

Have you at least watched the movies

[@TalesofKaimere]

@@landenriley8442 I saw the first one but not yet seen the second. First was fine and fun but I don't remember many details about the trench aside from having an ozone layer analogue which Kaimere's abyss doesn't have. It's all interconnected with the rest of the water, which is why I didn't know what the connection was. If the link is just 'there are big things down there' then I can see it

[@landenriley8442]

@TalesofKaimere if you see the sequel, you'll know what I mean

[@1998topornik]

So to end the year next episode is probably about silent ones ?

[@TalesofKaimere]

Silent Ones are on the roster, just want to wait until after xmas for folks getting the anthology to not get spoilers lol

[@HagdoBr]

Im sad because my boys ichytiosaurs are out the Kaimere party, but im happy when mosasaur and plesiosaur are (dude, im not good speaking USA).

[@willemlagrange2793]

Hey Keenan great video as always, like a lot of people I have been waiting for this video and it does not disappoint! I do have two questions/minor criticisms: 1. It seems strange to me that the Zanitel seems to regularly take on both livyatan and Kaimeren sperm whales, the differences in size just seem so big that the risk of injury would be huge, and since both of these species would be at least somewhat social I can't imagine they have much luck when there is easier prey to be had, how often do Zanitel actually hunt these giants? Is it a common occurrence or only a once and awhile/this individual is very weakened affair? 2. You said that moqrin are lower than Zanitel in the terms of trophic level, but go on to say that they compete for the same food and hunt each other on sight, was this a slip of the tongue? Regardless, as always your work inspires and fascinates in equal measure. Have a great day!

[@TalesofKaimere]

Thank you! 1. It is not common for zanitel to tackle prey larger than themselves. Usually they hunt in small groups and target prey around a ton. The picture was mostly to illustrate how they might go about it. Large cetaceans in general are difficult kills and rarely attempted outside of opportunities, desperation, weakened individuals, or to eliminate a threat and feed as a benefit. 2. Zanitel predate on moqrin. Moqrin will kill zanitel when given the chance, but don't eat them, so are technically at a lower trophic level, as stated. Hope that cleared things up. Best regards!

[@willemlagrange2793]

@@TalesofKaimere yes that does! Thanks for clearing those up!

[@dudotolivier6363]

@@willemlagrange2793 Also, just to precise, the grandfather Whale isn't the Levyatan, but a specie of Acrophysester that had a convergent evolution with him. Was called first Levyatan due to a mistake by the Assembly that thought to be this taxa. Also, the fact that this specie is often called under the name "Leviathan" because it's a big marine species must add a lot to the confusion.

[@willemlagrange2793]

@@dudotolivier6363 aaah okay, well thank you aswell for the additional info!

[@seanessdracosaurus2793]

Awesome Btw wanna hear about the plesiosaurs of the biodome?

[@dudotolivier6363]

Yeah !

[@seanessdracosaurus2793]

@@dudotolivier6363 ok here I go Booboozu - these plesiosaurs have long and sturdy necks ‘ to help them tank hits But besides that they have a normal long necked plesiosaur body plan The only unique thing about them is the fact they have a dorsal fin ( small if female ‘ large if male ) They are 5 meters long Devil Ray / Wronvos - these short necked plesiosaurs have the most unique shape to their family’ having two large front flippers and reduced nub like back flippers they are a scarlet red ( yes this guys colours is inspired by the deep sea red lobster ) and they have a sper on their two large front flippers that deliver a deadly sting during the mating season or when they’re young and being held by a predator or a curious fisher man but they specialise in squids ( for a different purposes ) but before that HOW DO THEY IMPRESS FEMALES?? It’s simple on their bottom side they have a bioluminescent pattern ( it could vary from colour but if often resembles a pare of eyes and a jagged teeth ) back to the squid based diet How they adapted?….. simple the tip of the bottom jaw is a singular row of teeth ….yes this is inspired helicoprion as well …. They are also deep sea creatures They are 15 meters long And weight 7 tons And the final plesiosaur Zutu zutu - these are freshwater long necked plesiosaurs that live in the abyssal lake ‘ they have unique characteristics to their “breed” ( by breed I mean body type ) they have kelp or water plant like growths on their body ( from head ‘ neck ‘ flippers and body ) and on the males these water plant like growths on the neck resemble a sea cobra like hood ( sea cobras are specialised for ocean life and can grow 4 metres long ) and would use these “hoods” for mating displays ( yes this mating display is loosely inspired by all yesterdays ) And that’s all you like ?

[@dudotolivier6363]

@@seanessdracosaurus2793 Nice !

[@seanessdracosaurus2793]

@@dudotolivier6363 thanks Btw which one is your favourite?

[@skistorm739]

@Keenan Taylor's Tales of Kaimere like a reptile to evo look 99% like the boomerang gecko.