Session 3: "The Doctrines of Grace and Holiness" | Dr. Voddie Baucham

The third session of the Reformed Baptist Network's General Assembly on Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2023 is by Dr. Voddie Baucham from Ephesians 1:3-14, "The Doctrines of Grace and Holiness."

[@KirsteinTherese]

Praise God that my salvation does not rely on anything else but God. Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

have you repented?

[@KirsteinTherese]

yes and repenting, its a daily choice to choose God over my flesh@@rocketsurgeon1746

[@markwilliams3085]

Yes, praise Jesus who is God and he runs the whole show, including drawing us to him in the fullness of time.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

@@markwilliams3085 cN you unpack what you mean by run the whole show? Do you agree with white and piper that even child rape is brought about by god's ordained will?

[@markwilliams3085]

@@rocketsurgeon1746 Yes I can prove that God runs the Whole Show. Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[@TheReformedChief]

Thank you, Dr. Baccham. I have struggled with assurance over and over. Leaving out the “adoption” phase. This helps greatly.

[@oar-N-oasis]

Thank you Abba Father for casting out my fear. This message help to strengthen my faith, Thank you for sharing.

[@Vessel49171]

Excellent experience for attending Church online. Thank you very much.

[@brendag8418]

Every sermon he preaches is so powerful. Really gets to the heart of things.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

not always accurate, but definitely sounds sure of himself

[@user-wu6ed2to7k]

​@@rocketsurgeon1746...not accurate in what sense?

[@anthonym2701]

@@rocketsurgeon1746show me one human who gets everything right 100% of the time. God knows we can’t understand every single thing biblical, just trust Him with all our hearts.

[@revealingtruth3329]

@@user-wu6ed2to7kThat person has no idea of what they speak. Don’t mind them. Either that or they are a troll put here by the enemy

[@rochellecaffee1417]

We love because He FIRST loved us. 1 John 4:19. “Without me, you can do nothing.” John 15:5b

[@terriblue9792]

I Am the Vine, and you are the branches. As a branch can not bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the Vine, neither can you unless you abide in Me❤

[@ML-tv2rt]

To God be the Glory!!! Forever and ever Amen

[@markwilliams3085]

Yes and Amen.

[@nereida116]

Thank you Holy Paraclete!🙏🏽 Abba Heavenly Father! I adore you Christ Jesus! Hosanna!

[@Duckytattz]

As we would say in some churches “you betta preach, Pastor!!!! Voddie teaching and preaching 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@CgKraig50]

By the grace of God we are saved🎉🎉 and blessed by your teachings

[@cococali6589]

These sermons have become my teaching block. I grew up going to Bible study at my aunts house as a kid, moved over to the adult side around 7 / 8 yrs old as the children storytelling was not enough. My aunt got tired of my constant questions, 😂. I was so lucky to be in an environment that was already totally aware of how self-serving some Baptist churches can be with “witnessing” and how self-glorifying the Calvinist churches can be. All Glory to God, salvation is simple, we are blessed, free-will is a double edge sword if not careful consideration of thought and actions. God knows our hearts, minds and every hair on our heads. You CANNOT lose salvation as you did not earn it…it’s a gift I appreciate Voddy and his ability to clearly hear truth and his abilities to teach.

[@holtonernest]

Amen

[@margaretliebenberg9800]

Oh Lord, God my Father, thank you

[@janepatton8100]

Amen! Amen! Amen!!!

[@garyantill242]

We wouldn't be Christians without the Trinity

[@DP-bx5fg]

You believe what is written, not what is not written. That's how you give mankind so much power in what to believe because you didn't seek God yourself in the scriptures, so you can discern the spirit if you should believe in the unscriptural Triune God. If you believe in any God that is not the Father...then you are already a polytheistic.

[@janepatton8100]

​​@@DP-bx5fg You seem to be a very diligent person who is careful to believe God's word. *That is awesome!* To God be the Glory! This is what God's word says of the Son... *(1 John 2:23)* *No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.* And this is what Jesus says of Himself... *(John 14:9)* Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? *Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.* How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? If Jesus isn't God, then this would've been blasphemy. Even the angels in the Old testament would rebuke those who equated them with God. But it doesn't stop there. Even his disciples called Him God. *(John 20:27-29)* Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. *Stop doubting and believe.”* Thomas said to him, *“My Lord and my God!”* Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; *blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”* Notice that Jesus never rebuked him for calling Him God, *but affirmed his statement and encouraged his belief.* But it doesn't stop there. Even the Pharisees knew that Jesus was equating Himself to God... *(John 5:18)* *For this reason they tried all the more to kill him;* not only was he breaking the Sabbath, *but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.* But it doesn't stop there. Even the demons knew who he was... *(Mark 1:23-24)* Just then a man in their synagogue who was possessed by an impure spirit cried out, “What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? *I know who you are-the Holy One of God!”* If the Bible is true, then the devil's job is not to make your life miserable, but to keep you from seeing the Truth of Jesus the Christ. *(John 3:18)* Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe *stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.* Do not blaspheme the Spirit by denying the Son. I pray God will give you eyes to see. God bless!!!

[@1raceNGenesis_Organic_non-GMO]

That's because you can not imagine Divine Unity@@DP-bx5fg

[@DP-bx5fg]

@1raceNGenesis_Organic_non-GMO Lady, let the Word of God said that and not your god Tertullian.

[@lowrider4886]

He's the best! I wisj people would STOP waling around durning a prayer. SO RUDE to God!

[@IIifixbotsII]

God the father draws up the plan, God the son executes the plan, God the spirit seals it. the holy trifecta

[@DP-bx5fg]

You got 3 Gods there.

[@ernestogaffud7788]

Triune God good example

[@IIifixbotsII]

@@DP-bx5fg one being 3 persons there is only one God

[@DP-bx5fg]

@@IIifixbotsII can you provide me the verse that quotes that?

[@markwilliams3085]

​@@DP-bx5fg 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus is the Word made flesh in John 1:14),and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[@cynthiakhabay3116]

Great session

[@Janetsfaithtable]

Amen 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@TurtleTrackin]

It doesn't take long after an adoption that you can't think of the kid as "not yours" anymore.

[@janiedoe8483]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@nicolenaidoo8005]

"That's like nothing exploding and creating everything"😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pcpc3134]

🙏

[@billywhite3523]

Good ole Uncle Voddie

[@ezekielsumuni557]

Amen ❤❤🙏🙏🙏

[@GrndSchm]

Lol, I was here!

[@TheFaithChurch14]

36:00 the adoption process sunk in after hearing this word. I must read of it 100 times, but said ya, I get it.. but now I feel God is my father. Not in bullwt point, or talking point, but word and power a fact. Thank you

[@revealingtruth3329]

Yea that point about his wife and not sharing any blood but yet being the person/human being he loves most. I had to rewind that one and hear it a few times cause that cut deep. Praise God for true teachers of His Word.

[@brookecaylor6734]

1Timothy 6;3 If any man teach otherwise,and consent not to wholesome words,even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ,and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;He is proud,knowing nothing,but doting about questions and strifes of words,whereof cometh envy,strife,railings,evil surmisings.

[@caminandoensuverdad]

THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE AND HOLINESS We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. (Romans 3:22 NLT) There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (Romans 3:30-31 NLT) What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. (Romans 6:1-6 ESV) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under GRACE. (Romans 6:12-14 ESV)

[@stevecortez7879]

Those of you that deny the trinity deny the written Word of God. From Genesis to Revelation this doctrine is taught. If you deny the Son you deny the Father and visa versa. There is so much more but let’s begin with John 5:18-23. Jesus and the Father are equal. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Let “US” make man. The Hebrew word for God here is ’elôhîym; plural; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God. The Lord God is One, 3 persons in 1 not 3 gods!

[@karencramer6651]

I would love to know the source of your readings that were not directly from the Bible.

[@user-rz5rd8kv1z]

what version are you using?

[@nwicconsultants6640]

who?

[@DoctrineForensics]

Why are they clapping?

[@onceamusician5408]

the doctrines are all very well but without the ongoing reality of the Lord the Spirit leading me to repentance and cleansing me of my sin in one on one personal interaction aka prayer ( that is what grace actually is) the doctrines are neither believed nor obeyed and so count for NOTHING. easy believism is not saving faith, they receive grace no more than the proud legalist does it is by the one on one personal relationship that we actually stay with Him ( "abide in me" he said); and moreover this is what discipleship is also. and it is easy for his yoke is easy his burden light and He will give us rest this above is my goal and my testimony. it is both, for having received some there is still more to come all of it free

[@tyronebunyon7254]

So thank God he chose me? What about my cousin who is my best friend? Does God not love him?

[@HartyBiker]

Do you believe that God loves people who die in their sins?

[@TheFaithChurch14]

Share the Gospel with him. Faith through hearing. Romans 10:10-17 [10]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [11]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [14]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? [15]And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! [16]But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? [17]So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[@TheFaithChurch14]

2 Peter 3:9 [9]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I'll pray for him Romans 9:20-23 [20]Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? [21]Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [22]What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: [23]And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

[@tyronebunyon7254]

@@HartyBiker absolutely. Yes.

[@HartyBiker]

@tyronebunyon7254 and what is the result of God loving these people who still die in their sins? Just a point of clarification, I mean those who never possess a faith in Christ.

[@markrobby7136]

Calvanist are not accuse of pursuing hiloliness. The problem is calvist preaches "repent from all sins to be saved" we must pursue holiness and no preachers say otherwise. But when you preach that repentance from all sins is a mandatory step to salvation, then, it because a heresy

[@Jondoe_04]

I have never, not once heard a Calvinst prescribed us to repent from all sin in order to be saved. As for the Calvinist salvation is a work of God. It's not done by our actions at all.

[@markrobby7136]

@@Jondoe_04 are you kidding. You never heard Paul washer, John McArthur?

[@Jondoe_04]

@markrobby7136 I listen to them quite often saying repent and believe and repent from all sins in order to be saved are two totally different things.

[@markrobby7136]

@@Jondoe_04 go listen again, please. Is it's only you who don't know this

[@Jondoe_04]

@markrobby7136 literally look up don't expect perfect repentance. The very first person who showed up for me was Paul washer. Also, in Calvinism, the one who makes you repent is the Holy Spirit, so you have to be saved in order to repent. This is core to Calvinist teaching.

[@kenzeetwo]

That's reformed theology?

[@peggykitting6036]

Was he making fun of john macarthur when he qouted him about losing salvation?

[@Jondoe_04]

No, he was actually saying it's a good quote.

[@leadermwanza2973]

In other words it possible to lose the salvation, if you persist in evil

[@Jondoe_04]

@leadermwanza2973 Well, first off, that's not the ground of our salvation cause there is no one good, but God. Second off, if you are saved, you have a desire to repent of your sins and be pleasing to God.

[@elnathan574]

Shalom, The Creator Says do Not Add to Nor take away correct? Why then have the London Baptist thing? I applaud your Zeal listened to a lot of your teachings. But where is the Doctrine of Grace is At from Messiah or His Chose In the book? And the definition of Holy, sanctification, justification?

[@CyborgGerbil]

Why would God create billions of people who He has not preordained, who have not received irresistible grace, to be born and to live on earth, knowing that these people can never come to Christ? Because that’s how they’ve been programmed, only to die and then to spend eternity being tormented in the lake of fire! The Calvinist God almost comes across as sadistic. It (He) doesn’t sound like the loving God of the Bible. What is the purpose of creating people who, before they were even conceived, have been predestined to go to hell to be tormented for eternity in the lake of fire? What’s the point in praying for someone to be saved? To come unto Christ? If they were not preordained to be saved? If God selected that person to reject the gospel, to reject Christ and to spend eternity in the lake of fire, being tormented forever, because they rejected the gospel, because they rejected Christ. They didn’t have a choice. They didn’t reject the gospel or Christ, because they were never given that choice! So the Calvinist God is punishing people for something that they didn’t, or couldn’t do!? God made the choice for them. John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” But in Calvinism, John 3:16-18 would be: For God so loved the few, that He gave His only begotten Son, that the few pre-ordained who have been programmed to believe in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the few pre-ordained will be saved through Him. The pre-ordained who are programmed to believe in Him, are not condemned, but those who could not believe were condemned already, because they were not chosen to believe in the name of the only Son of God. To a non Calvinist, it’s like this: There is a closed door with the words; ‘The Good News’ or ‘The Gospel of Jesus Christ’ on a sign above the door. So man walks up to the closed door, of his own free will, then God opens the door, and tells you about the good news, and man makes the decision to either walk through the door, or to turn and reject the good news. Whereas some won’t even walk up to the closed door, like atheists etc. Salvation is still 100% Christ’s atoning sacrifice, I did nothing for my salvation. I just heard the good news and accepted it. Similar to affirmative action, where a black woman wins an Oscar. Now did she win that Oscar on merit, or because she’s black and female? To those who are saved, who have come unto Christ. Can you really say that you came to Christ? My point is, if you have been programmed to come to Christ, to accept Christ, can you really say you made the choice? That you put your faith in Christ? Whereby, when you get to heaven you didn’t get there by choosing Christ, you didn’t get there by putting your faith in Christ, you got there, because before you were even conceived, God selected you to get into heaven. So the free will that you thought you had when you thought you came to Christ, you didn’t. You were programmed to come to Christ. So your faith in Christ is not by your own doing. Wouldn’t it be nice to get to heaven, knowing that you rejected the world and put your faith in Christ? I’m not saying that you play a part in salvation because you are saved only through Christ and His sacrifice, not anything that you have done. It’s the same with the affirmative action. So YES God is sovereign and YES Christ did 100% of the work to save me. As Calvinists believe that non-Calvinists don’t think this to be true. Those unelected and unsaved. The elect would say; ‘well they don’t care about the gospel anyway.’ I bet they will care when they get thrown into hell, but they will think to themselves, I didn’t get the opportunity to be saved. If people can’t be saved, because they are not part of the elect, why waste time giving them the gospel? 1 Timothy 2:4 “…God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” One could turn it around to God, and say; well if you wanted all people to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth, then why did you pre-ordain most people to reject you and the truth? 2 Peter 2:3 “….not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” This again does not make sense, seeing as God has pre-ordained most people to reject the gospel. ​​⁠Many Calvinists come across as very arrogant, boastful and almost prideful, that they are the chosen elect, kings above us non Calvinist peasants. They will say: “So you don’t believe God is sovereign!?!” And “So you believe that you had a part in your salvation!?!” I’m not a Calvinist, because I don’t believe that God pre-ordained billions of people to be thrown into the lake of fire to be tormented for eternity, when they didn’t even get a choice! (Calvinist won’t talk about those people, only the elect!) I’m not a Calvinist, but I know that God is 100% sovereign. I also know that Christ and Christ alone saved me, all I did was accept His good news, the gospel. I’m a Bibleist, a Christian, I love the Lord my God, He is Lord and He alone saved me!

[@IronSharpensIron127]

Calvinism is so evil. My God does not decree evil you make the choice if you follow God or not. What better excuse would a man have than God made me this way.

[@Zakilles123]

dude did you even watch the video. This is also the God of the Bible...this is Jesus Christ talking. Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.(ESV). If you use KJV the wording is "I create good and evil" The Lord is not sinful, He is Holy and pure. But all things He permits. God CHOSE Abraham. God CHOSE Isaac. God CHOSE Jacob. God CHOSE Judah. God CHOSE David. God CHOSE Jeremiah. God CHOSE Peter. God CHOSE Paul. ...but you here in the 21st century (or 20th century) happened to choose God? as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10-12 come on man...

[@IronSharpensIron127]

@@Zakilles123 choose this day whom you will serve. I guess we can't really choose though. Well you were either predetermined or you were doomed from the womb. Nothing you can do about it either way.

[@Zakilles123]

@@IronSharpensIron127 it has nothing to do with you. It is all about His Glory. I can throw scripture too. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. If God so chose to create something or someone for desctruction, who are you oh man to question Him? We are all totally depraved sinners...do you think you deserve salvation? No...we are are all in need of His mercy and His grace. We all have a veil over our eyes and wax in our ears that keep us from hearing His truth! And unless He reveals truth too us, we cannot come. You know the best part about that verse that Joshua said, God already told Moses back in Deuteronomy that the people of Israel WOULDN'T OBEY, BECAUES THEY CAN'T OBEY. and that generation for Joshua did not obey because their hearts were bent and twisted for the Idols of the land

[@Jondoe_04]

@@IronSharpensIron127 tell me, does God know perfectly, who will be saved or not?

[@IronSharpensIron127]

@@Jondoe_04 I've already been through all the silly Calvinist debate tactics. Read the Bible for yourself and stop learning from the Gnostics. God bless

[@bizzbuilder]

Give Biden a break give me a break he’s never been good for 50 years

[@mebonweb578]

I have said it more than once. Voddie Baucham is an awesome teacher. But his holding to the doctrine of the Trinity, Triune God, is Tritheism a form of Polytheism. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. That one Lord manifest Himself in the flesh, as Jesus Christ. Not attacking believers who say they believe in one God, but when you say 3 independent divine beings are in the godhead you are contradicting that you believe there is one God. God was in Christ (the man) reconciling the world unto Himself.

[@Jondoe_04]

Paul expans the shema in light of of the incarcerated. It is one essence three persons. The Trinity is not a polytheistic.

[@mebonweb578]

@@Jondoe_04That explanation is you repeating what is written in the man inspired doctrine of the trinity. Where are those words written in the Old or New Testament scriptures?

[@Jondoe_04]

@mebonweb578 I was citing Paul, but here have Paul talk about it ‭‭1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV‬‬ [6] yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. Paul is literally expanding the shema in light of the incapable. Also, show me in the Bible where the word New Testament is? Not new covenant, New Testament.

[@mebonweb578]

@@Jondoe_04 Pauls is addressing food being offered to idols. He said, “But we know ‘no idol has any real existence”. So if an idol does not really exist, then how can food be offered to something that doesn’t exist. Paul said ‘To us there is only one God’. And that one same God is our Lord Jesus Christ. “For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “Lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭8‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” ‭‭‬‬ Or the Lord our God is one Lord; or the Lord is our God, the Lord is one; or the Lord is our God, the Lord alone. There is only one Lord God. When He was incarnated in flesh, the angel said to call His name Jesus, Emmanuel, God with us.

[@Jondoe_04]

@mebonweb578 except by using the word Ki Paul is establishing while they are one God, they're different persons. Which is why I've been saying Paul expands the Shema. Additionally, there are points in the book of Revelation that talk about the Father doing stuff to the Son and how the Son is in heaven with the Father, not as the Father, for example ‭‭Revelation 5:13 ESV‬‬ [13] And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” And ‭‭Revelation 5:6-7 ESV‬‬ [6] And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. [7] And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.

[@truthseeker5698]

The “ doctrines of grace” are disgraceful , disgusting, concluding with simply another gospel.

[@orlandoquintanasr.5863]

Calvinism a doctrine from hell. So many are lost holding to this false doctrine.

[@tyronebunyon7254]

Amen. 🙏 facts.

[@TheReformedChief]

I see you worship at the altar of “free will,” and “mans sovereignty.” I’ll pray for you

[@tyronebunyon7254]

@@TheReformedChief question. Can you have true, genuine love without the choice to choose?

[@orlandoquintanasr.5863]

@@TheReformedChief did you have the free will to make that comment?

[@tyronebunyon7254]

@@orlandoquintanasr.5863 precisely

[@DP-bx5fg]

Triune God??? There is no Trinity in the Word of God.

[@lauramonroe7008]

Huh?

[@Zakilles123]

The word Bible isn't in the Bible...what's your point.

[@DP-bx5fg]

@@Zakilles123 You noticed I said the Word of God and not Bible. Jesus and the apostles also use the word 'scriptures' to reference the Word of God. So again, Trinity is not in there. There's no scriptures that teach it as well. My point is... 2 Cor 4:13 Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak. If it's not written, then why believe it?

[@Zakilles123]

@DP-bx5fg I'm guessing you don't know how to interpret John 1:1-3 or Titus 2:13-16 I guess you don't know about acts 5:1-9... whatever you're reading bud, sure isn't the scriptures your claiming. I guess you never read genesis 18. Because the The Lird physically appeared to Abraham and dined and ate with him. I guess when The Angel of Yahwah appeared to Gidden and he offered a sacrifice to Him and He accepted it proved that He wasn't divine. The entire Bible speaks of the fact that God of the Bible is a multi-person being. Specifically 3 people. Sorry bud, but either your arianism or Mormonism is kicking in, and either way it's heresy. Jesus Christ is our Savior and yet Isaiah teaches us that only Yahweh is deserving of all glory and praise, and that He alone is our Savior. All Glory be to Christ our king, His rule and reign we will ever sing. And Him every name shall bow down and worship Him. Goodnight bud. Please repent of your false doctrine and don't make a mockery of the diety of Christ and the Holy Spirit of God.

[@DP-bx5fg]

@@Zakilles123 I am a Christian who believes only what is written. You haven't shown me a scripture that God is 3 persons. The Son is the second person, and the Holy Spirit is the third person. You just throw scriptures out like other religions when they say "Here's the scripture that Jesus is Michael the archangel', "here's the scripture that Lucifer is Jesus brother', here's the scripture that Jesus is black. You use scripture to fit Tertullian's invented theology when the scripture clearly didn't say what he FEEL it said. I can prove you believe more than one God, and what you'll do is not answering the question and more likely give a teaching to dodge the question like all Trinitarians do. IS THERE ANOTHER GOD THAN THE FATHER? YES OR NO

[@ktcarroll4723]

There ain’t no room for the trinity in the gospel it’s a false doctrine but I really like Voddie and his messages he is just off on the Trinity

[@kokkintang9983]

May I know why the trinity is false doctrine. Thanks

[@BroEzraJay]

Provide Scriptures reference that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not the Godhead

[@brigettphillips5670]

Amen voddie 🙏 God, the son and the holy spirit are REAL

[@mebonweb578]

@@kokkintang9983One God was manifest in the flesh. Jesus was the one God manifest in the flesh. God is the eternal Spirit. God IS the holy Spirit. That is why he commanded his disciples to teach all nations and baptize them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the son, and the of the Holy Spirit. We make God three. He is not three. He is One. One God manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16. The singular name is Jesus.

[@Jondoe_04]

@mebonweb578 One, in essence, three in person. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit interact with one another. For example, at Jesus's baptism, you have the Father declaring His love for the Son. That's one person expressing their affection for the other. You have the Spirit resting on His head, a person resting on the other. In the book of Revelation, you have the Father giving the Son the scroll. You also have the Father and the Son distinguished from one another. I can keep going on.

[@rustywhite8991]

Amen