Seth Andrews: From Religion to Reason (Q&A)

[@okiepita50t-town28]

I love Christopher Hitchens retort when someone said" I’ll pray for you." He said" I’ll think for you."

[@davesteadman1226]

Or: "Ill pray for you..." "Ok, you spend your time praying, I'll spend my time doing research."

[@lotusgroup123]

Okiepita50 T-town Very neat retort. I’ve watched a fair bit of Hitch and somehow missed this till now - thank you

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

@kim burley No one hates the non existent. That would be absurd.

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

@kim burley "if the shoe fits wear it" If the shoe has a high heel I will not wear it despite its perfect fit. "you think we came from random chance" You are not a mind reader but you certainly are presumptuous. "random chance doesnt produce bilateral symmetry..." If you tell me that the interplay of atoms is purely a matter of chance then you simply tell me you are profoundly ignorant of physics and chemistry. "you love the absurd" Again your mind reading skills have proven defective. "you think you can toss 10 million dice..." I would be willing to bet that you've never actually read Darwin's "Origin of Species" or Dawkin's "Selfish Gene". If you ever take the trouble to educate yourself the knowledge you gain will go a long way to transforming you into a person worthy of intellectual respect. Right now you come across as totally unworthy and your lack of writing effort indicates you're lazy. I might be wrong there and you might simply be the unlucky victim of circumstance. If that's the case then I wish you good luck. Here ends this 'discussion'.

[@annaceciliafuglestad1120]

LIKE IT ! VERY GOOD Actually !🙏👏👁🤲🤝🌻🥀💙💚🦅🦉🦆🕊

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

I could have listened to this all day long, and not just because Seth happens to be a great public speaker, but also because of the great questions from the audience. Hugely enjoyable.

[@theriffwriter2194]

I know. I sent him a tweet a few weeks back telling him how much I enjoy watching his talks with my two daughters and said it's been a while since his last talk and asked what the deal was. He thanked me for the complement...but didn't answer the question. I suppose this video answered my question but why do I feel like I've heard this one before? I think he reused a lot of material but it happens.

[@Troubleshooter125]

Let's restate that last, shall we? _... Don't apologize for being you. You are not on this earth to keep other people comfortable. You are not on this earth to keep everybody else comfortable. Be you at the volume you choose for the reasons you choose. It is a wonderful, beautiful, and I think necessary thing._ -- Seth Andrews Seth, I've said this before and I'll repeat it: don't EVER underestimate your importance or your impact on the atheist community ... please. All good wishes, bro!

[@phillipmccandlessbp]

After watching this video I came out to my family. Thank you for being an encouragement to me. It's been so liberating.

[@hanskneefel3767]

Thanks,thanks and thanks

[@UnliHighlights]

This video reached me today and it makes me so happy. Thanks Seth

[@johnsperry9494]

One time I ended up going to church for some reason (wife’s parents, long story), and after the service, the pastor mingled with the congregation. I told him, “I thought your sermon about Jesus was really incredible!” He said, “Thank you.” And I said, “Maybe you should look up that word.”

[@kdude491]

I was raised strict Pentecostal holiness. It did irreparable harm to my sister and some harm to me but I made it Raised my kids less strict but still with Christianity in the forefront. Now that I have wised up and am atheist, my kids are afraid I will influence my grandkids negatively. So I still walk on eggshells around them but if they ask me they get the truth. Keep on speaking Seth.

[@TitusJudah]

You're doing a great disservice to your kids and their kids to be by not speaking the truth.

[@AntitheistHuman]

Thank you so much Seth!

[@realitychannelwithtomparos8238]

Becoming an atheist is the best thing that ever happened in my life.

[@fragitude]

go vegan too, that's the next best thing that can happen for you.

[@sk70091]

Everybody dies in the end, DrJames.

[@georgewest8468]

@@fragitude Did them both so I agree with you. WFPB diet is the best for human health. I'm half way through T. Colin Campbell's second "The China Study."

[@douglasvale5573]

U

[@uberspessmann9604]

@@fragitude Cringe

[@Berbs73]

Thank you, Seth.

[@hel117]

When I was about ten, I was asked to be the flower girl at a family friends wedding. I don't remember much, because obviously I was just a kid, but what I do remember is the moment when the pastor started talking about submission and obedience on the part of the bride. I remember being really confused, because I'd been raised in a secular household and had always be taught to treat everyone as my equal. Mom grabbed my hand and escorted me out almost immediately.

[@mender722]

I know of that feeling about 'sitting on my hands' and hiding who and what I am, for I am both atheists and gay. My extended family members are all very religious. I have been on my journey for several years now. Life is interesting, to say the least.

[@irishjj3623]

Be you.. at the volume you choose! Wonderful Seth

[@geansv]

How could you not love this guy? Amazing speaker, and on point every time. Greetings from Australia.

[@Joe99]

Wow, that last story from Seth was amazing and very encouraging to hear. And I can't believe (and encouraged at the same time) his cousin wanted him to talk to her doubting husband instead of a pastor/priest to persuade him to stay in the faith.

[@drewbenedict2246]

Seth. Thank You. Words cannot express my gratitude and appreciation for what you do. If not for brave and selfless individuals like yourself many of us would still be living in fear unable to escape our mind’s dissonance. Out of all the outspoken rational thought provokers I want to commend you; your story, background, thoughts, and experiences with your family hit close to home. I am going through the very beginning of my cognitive freedom and what you say resonates with me because I have had so many racing questions about how to confront the inevitable conflict I will have with my family. Seth nobody else had an answer (option) that would help beyond individual freedom, and cross into interpersonal levels with fundamentalist Christian familys. If not for you, many others like myself that are freed but lost in how to handle the very sensitive nature of breaking the news to family would still have an internal conflict moving forward though life. THANK YOU SETH. You are an inspiration to us all and bring me tremendous comfort in knowing Im not alone. You are an outstanding human being and if there was a god, I’m pretty sure you’d be Jesus😁😁

[@crispmom]

Seth, I could listen to you tell stories all day long. It's a good thing you have hundreds of podcasts available. :D

[@Irishmule169]

Seth your an outstanding human being!!!!!

[@seanjones2456]

He will burn in hell for eternity! That feels so weird to even type. What the hell is wrong with people? When I watch a video with Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Kent Hovind, or any of the religious personalities, my bulls**t radar goes off! It is so refreshing to find people like Seth and Matt Dillahunty to counter the sewage that is coming out of their mouths.

[@lightbeing8174]

@@seanjones2456 Seth and matt dillahunty both need exorcist priest roles in there life's if this 2 really want the best competition in the country and in the world matt and seth should go searching for the devil himself the way the american exorcist priest do.

[@lightbeing8174]

@@seanjones2456 You want to listen to the voice of the devil. Listen to the 6 voices of annelise michel.

[@GodlessScummer]

I think this is possibly the best speech I've heard Seth make. Really amazing stuff.

[@sandrafrederick4923]

Excellent. Thank you for the post. I love Seth's honesty, bravery, compassion and good reasoning. He also can be funny as all get out. Loved it.

[@L.J.Garcia]

This speech has changed my life. Thank you, Seth.

[@teaburg]

Still chuckle about a person who said they would pray for me, then went on to complain about it being a chore because they have so many people to pray for.

[@Podcastforthewin]

Beej Price haha I’ll pray for the person who had to pray for so many people. Lol .

[@campfireaddict6417]

Stay away.

[@seanjones2456]

Think about how much time it takes God to listen to all the prayers and then actually decide whether to do something about them. Sheesh, it must be exhausting!

[@teaburg]

Maybe to save time he uses a magic eight ball.

[@monthapril6441]

Shame they wasted their prayers on you.. mockery is not a nice attribute

[@rainydays1105]

Thanks for sharing this part of the video. I enjoyed the last story about the conversation around the dinner table. You never know who is listening and who has doubts about their religion. Thanks very much.

[@Tupelo927]

Thank you for the reminder, Seth. We needn't justify or defend the mere act of *being authentic.* Your encouraging words will help me navigate future potential minefields, particularly Thanksgiving dinner.

[@mikevieira8583]

Seth, I want to keep encouraging you to do a show or speak more for and to those of us deconverts who don't feel comfortable coming out, at least not yet.

[@evanpowell3961]

Wow. This might be the most touching, sensitive, and brilliant thing I've ever seen on the Internet.

[@charlenekelley7268]

I just finished one of your videos, you are a wonderfully gifted speaker. I enjoyed your talk so very much and hope to listen for more. Thank you so much.

[@bonnie43uk]

Great story at 22:28 . Thanks for this upload Seth, as you say, life is for living, and enjoyment.

[@IndeedVancho]

Those last Minutes are Golden for sure.

[@jamesmountz2915]

Not sure if you will ever see this and I may try to find a place to say this where you will see it but I just want to say thank you Seth. I am getting ready to come out as an atheist to my family and friends and I was probably going to do it the same way you did at first but hearing your answer to that convinced me to keep it short and make it about me and my journey and not about how wrong they are. Thank you so much for that awesome advice because worrying about what and how I am going to say it has been the main reason why I've waited so long to do it. Just like you the rumors are flying around my family and I want them to hear it from the horses mouth as you said. Thanks again for the great advice. It has really eased my anxiety about it. Love you and what you do. Keep up the good work. The world would be a much better place if more people thought and acted the way you do.

[@MsKariSmith]

It is really a delight to listen to this intelligent man and his logic. He talks like a real caring ethical human being, and I must say that is pretty rare in our world now. The questions and answers and his response were well done. Bravo!

[@nadinecooper7031]

This was wonderful! Thanks, Seth.

[@192837465mar]

that last comment by Seth "you're not on this earth to make other people comfortable".. how true that is.. i wish i was brave enough. maybe one day. Thanks Seth!

[@CriticalEatsJapan]

Wow, that last story... the Lord sure works in mysterious ways... ;)

[@Antis14CZ]

Mostly detrimental to him, lately ;-)

[@Lou13Cyf3r]

.......don't be that asshole...😂

[@xREDGHOSTRIDERx]

Atheist Gibberish? Is that some sort of way of saying that the gibberish in the Buy-bull is any better?

[@theunapologeticjew]

Most excellent! As a convert to Judaism from Christianity I certainly can relate. I too respect your respect!

[@TumbleweedMK4]

Thank you Seth!

[@ImmortalInflames]

After the story about the mysterious package and good friend you lost contact with.. I didn't think there could be an even better story show! You always make great content, sometimes you really do knock it out of the park!! Really enjoyed your talk in Sydney (unholy trinity) a couple years back too!

[@vibrantcatbird]

Hi Seth! I wish I could see you in the Netherlands tomorrow, but it’s kinda far away from my hometown in Germany. Thank you for uploading these videos.

[@jr_1742]

Man I love you Seth. You are amazing. What an inspiration.... I’d love to meet you one day to exchange stories but because I’m from the UK that day may never pass. Until that day comes I’ll watch all of your content, every time, without fail. GG my friend 👊

[@torstrasburg4274]

Seth has a heart of gold.

[@bugsandbrushes]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@discoverybg31]

Tequila! Now I have that song in my head. Thanks Seth!

[@7gamex]

Completely forgot you had a new book and I LOVE the old ghost stories you did, very excited to listen to this new one!!

[@monniematthews2066]

"I'll pray for you" reminds me of two of the greatest antiwar writers and philosophers of mosern times---Will Rogers and Mark Twain. Both wrote about the weirdness of two opposing sides in a war each praying for God to bless their sons and help them slaughter their enemies and then return home safely.

[@freddiealcala2986]

Love the last topic Mr. Andrews! I think your cousin already knew who you are on that dinner table. and maybe she was reaching out herself. As you said you host "The Most Popular Atheist Radio Podcast in the World". Anybody with an internet connection and some curiosity can find your amazing podcast. Be proud and keep it up!

[@sabrinaorihuela8029]

thank you, I needed to hear this message.

[@blakecarlson1057]

Thanks for posting these videos of this show. I missed the opportunity to go myself and wish I could have been there but this is close enough. 👍

[@rufuskeller7266]

When people tell me that they "will pray for me", I simply reply: "Great! I love all kinds of positive thinking!" This pisses the hell out of them, and they shut up.

[@Troubleshooter125]

Just occurred to me: when they say, "I'll pray for you," I think the next time I'm going to come back with, "Great! Think that'll work?"

[@manuelpatino7863]

@kim burley "Wicked God hater" lol, wicked. You sure howed him/her, kid. XD XD XD

[@lynmaher112]

I relate to everything you talk about, I got to a 'place' where I said..... "I can't do this anymore"....

[@tomquinn5437]

Thanks for who you are and what you do.

[@youyong28]

This is a great video. I like how you said that we all have the right to be ourselves.

[@itzmrsa2237]

Great words 👌

[@basstian]

Great video. Enjoyable and informative.

[@MrBBOTP]

2 whom it may concern, thanks 4 youtube. I'm constantly trying 2 ignore my ignorant urges battling religion- family, teachers, coworkers, employers, military... a lifetime of nonsense on others behalf. I try & look forward 2 better lives being lived with open & more clear minds. I am pretty good about ignoring the bless u's.

[@hozozco]

That last question/answer - awesome. I would loved to have been a fly on the wall!

[@seanjones2456]

I find that the majority of believers that I discuss atheism and religious nonsense with, all seem to have never really thought about it. They respond with, "You know, that is a good question." or "That is really interesting, I never thought of that." The responses that hit me the hardest are, "I don't believe in evolution." or "People used to live to be 900 years old all the time." I usually end the conversation after that.

[@Podcastforthewin]

Probably my favourite Q&A’s ever.

[@wd9274]

Damn it lol I was just in St Paul and when you were in Chicago I was in Chicago. I need to pay closer attention when you do talks. On my bucket list. Great talk Seth

[@wooly1950]

Seth, you are one very cool dude...

[@hadesmcfadden2982]

Seth...I have to say if there has to be "brands" of Atheism, your brand is to me, the one makes most sense and is the most inclusive. I'm happy to be part of your "brand".

[@VfletchS]

The vast majority of believers believe for the same reason... they are scared not to.

[@geraldodonnell2595]

IMO, It's a pity that most children are brainwashed the same way their parents were brainwashed to believe in a religion!

[@lightbeing8174]

@@geraldodonnell2595 You want to listen to the voice of the devil. Listen to the 6 voices of annelise michel.

[@StephenDMullins]

Brilliant stuff!

[@retrotemp]

We have eyes, ears and hearts for a reason, little is it that you give thanks

[@irishjj3623]

Thank you Seth

[@tommyjones3899]

Dealing with the loss of feeling all will be validated and justly dealt with for all those who I was thinking would get final judgement in after life. I found comfort thinking that way when people hurt me or when I am seeing the injustice and cruelty in the world. How do I deal with this now?

[@zandstuivers]

You're great Seth

[@christophe7723]

this was amazing, thanks seth

[@TinaMarieJ]

This was great!!

[@willievanstraaten1960]

Many more agnostics and atheists than we think and know off. On holiday three weeks ago. With most of the people I had short conversations their religions came up. I did not respond to any of them realizing that the camp attracted believers. The one evening however we ended up next to an elderly couple. While waiting for the live band to start the man explained about three times about his church and how he was in an Afrikaans right-wing church and now Methodist because of his wife. I realized that because of the vibe at the holiday resort in South Africa it is important to be a white christian, to be in. I knew we were stuck for the evening and I told him that I am an Atheist. His immediate reply was the following: Strange that you mention that because I am also an Atheist and only attend church because of my wife and our friends" I do not go preaching or advocating but if it comes my way I am proud to announce my position without fear or favor.

[@robertmills2900]

Awesome again. ❤️🔥👹

[@dougalan5614]

The evolution of the human mind is a fascinating thing. At some point after we became able to think about abstract things and communicate them to others, I guess we took care of the survival things first, primarily tool making skills, and then we invented Gods. Nothing to be embarrassed about, since we had NO information about the real world to work with. Now, we have to make a choice: to study and analyze reality and find concrete answers for how things are, or to go to the completely opposite extreme, which is to believe in a model where there is not only a lack of evidence, but it is actually commanded that we accept it BECAUSE there is no evidence for it. That's not a logical position no matter how you cut it. All of the things we do in the name of religion; beautiful music, charity, morality, etc, can be done just as well without religion. Maybe better.

[@debranelson1987]

Absolutely spot on!

[@shookreeseeree4]

Doug..very true..

[@willievanstraaten1960]

I became an agnostic many years ago. My one child is quite religious, one is fairly neutral and not sure, the third and eldest is non-theistic and not bothered with it at all. My mother in law, that stays with us, and my wife are religious. They do not want to entertain any talk about religion, but my mother in law frequently reminds me that she is praying for me. I belong to a small sport club and the first time religion came up I told them that I am an Agnostic Eminent Humanist. They knew me for a very long time before I joined and were absolutely baffled. They thought as was a devout and dedicated christian. None declared that they would pray for me. I had to explain the terminology and when I explained that I do not believe in a Muslim, Christian, Jewish or any other deity, two of them said that, that is better. Small town and each believe their church is right and they look down on some other churches.

[@newyearbaby88]

LOVE this.

[@onepercenter13]

I recon this is only "A thing" in the US....in my country and a lot of other western countries things are a lot more secular and relaxed and I personally and I expect most others don't feel the need to "Come out" to ANYONE and no one really cares what you personally believe unless you try to ram your beliefs down someone else's throat (Either way) There are (of course ) extremists at both ends of the spectrum ....but in my opinion most people lurk in or around the middle somewhere....church attendance in New Zealand has been steadily dropping for decades to the point where you can buy old no longer used churches that have been closed and convert them into houses

[@maourazonica5945]

And this is why im moving. Not exactly in the US but philippines. Most religious country in asia. Im not amused lol. Idk though, family it's a bother butt ive tried coming out elsewhere and it doesnt seem to be a problem. Probably bcos im the weird ad abnormal everyone wants to stay away from

[@Hannahxx1971]

I can't imagine having to 'come out' about not believing. If I'd even brought up the subject of religion I'd have been met with yawns and friends leaving the room, bored haha.. I've never believed in god and it's never been a problem. When I've heard stories from people in the US being pushed out of their families after 'coming out', especially in the 21st century I find it absolutely unbelievable!

[@humanbn1057]

Religious Person: "I'll pray for you." Me: "Thank you, I'll continue to donate science books to elementary school libraries in honor of your religious beliefs."

[@seanjones2456]

Aaron! You have written my favorite comment of the day! Just know I will be using this one.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

I am in favor of science. In today's world many areas of science is being turned into religion which makes some science not useful information.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

All animals and plants change over time. Selective breeding by humans, of plants and animals is evolution. Evolution is why there are different races of humans that was due to geographic separation. Every where you look there is fossil and living evidence that plants and animals can and do change over time. You do not have to take a preacher or prophets word about evolution. It is right in front of you and can see and touch evolution with you own sensory organs humans have evolved over time.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

There are differ races of people, animals, and plants, and all types of change in genetic traits that are physical or behavioral is a demonstration of evolution. Many of the plant based foods you eat did not exist in their present form a 500 years ago. The only thing you informed me of is your complete ignorance of how all life on earth works. Evolution is happening now it is not just a theory about what happened a long time ago.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

@kim burley Did god create the corona virus? Did the Chinese race of people create it? Did the corona virus evolve from another race of virus?

[@GmanAtheistNell]

Loved this. Thanks Seth. :-)

[@KristianKumpula]

I would need tons of preparation to come even close to expressing my ideas and constructing narratives in such a compelling way as you do just by spontaneously answering questions that you don't know in advance.

[@richiediagostino1468]

Seth is married to a christian much respect I'm a atheist ive met open minded christians that understand why I'm an atheist we should love one in another despite are beliefs

[@mlee2994]

Wow, first 6 minutes - I was so there - wanting the world to burn with the fire I felt inside against faith based anything - including those I love.

[@jonjosenna5581]

Legend

[@nightforest355]

@TheThinkingAtheist I would ask you about your forum it's not appear ..what is happening?

[@Troubleshooter125]

Bottom of the ninth, two out, men on second and third. Seth has fouled off a bunch of bad pitches, looking for the one he wants. This has been one tough at-bat for him. Here comes the three-and-two pitch: "I host the most popular atheist radio podcast in the world." LONG fly ball, DEEP to left field, that baby is *GONE!!!*

[@miichaelmarshall6429]

And he never pointed to the sky as he crossed home plate!

[@Troubleshooter125]

@@miichaelmarshall6429 Oh, you bet! More likely he pointed to his team, clapping his hands in appreciation for their support! That's Seth in spades!

[@wadehunt182]

Here is an interesting topic for discussion: Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer, was an very active member of Christ Lutheran Church. May we investigate the role of his religious orientation to his criminal activities?

[@nicsanchez2255]

Me: *sneezes* Them: Oh, bless you! Me: WELL AKSHUALLY...

[@jamesclark1736]

I was indoctrinated as a child and I was so sheltered from learning about the actual world. I dont know where to look for real information or who to trust. I Don't know how to ask questions of what is real in the world. I don't know what scientific findings to trust , I don't know where to turn. Does anyone have any ideas?

[@paxanimi3896]

Charlie Clark. Carl Sagan’s A Demon Haunted World, just to start.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

Keep an open mind and keep on listening. There will always be two or more perspectives on any topic and each believe that they are right. Not an easy mind to keep when you are looking for the truth. What convinced me long ago was the historical 'facts" about what religions did and are still doing. More than 4 200 different religions and more than 33 000 christian denominations and each believe that their doctrine is the only right religion with all the truths. If I want to believe what test or proof can one get to know which is the right and true believe system. If we choose Christianity, we have a 1 in 33 000 chance to be right.

[@MsSbolin]

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position." - Bill Maher

[@MichaelYoder1961]

"To thine own self be true..." William Shakespeare

[@MrDigztheswagking]

Awesome

[@OFTwify]

A man's appreciation of his wife and women in general is the most attractive thing ever... js.

[@KRT61]

People I know do not even want to talk about their faith. They tend to be so afraid that they will not go to heaven and be with their loved ones for an eternity. The idea that it all ends for you with your death is to frightening to them.

[@Family-fs1fd]

He said his wife is a christian? I am curious as to why she still believes especially with all the research he has done.

[@Family-fs1fd]

@@jasonwillis4819 I was surprised as well. I would like to know more of the story, not that it matters, I just think it is interesting.

[@latenightcake5881]

@daniel letterman or she gives amasing head ;)

[@willievanstraaten1960]

If people do not like me for what, who and how I am, no problem. However I am surprised how many people respect, or maybe make as if they like me, because I am honest and they know who and what I am. Trouble will start if I try to do Atheist missionary work on them and try to force feed them with my ideas. The other side of the coin is that if anybody takes up the topic I will stand my ground.

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

Since the inception I anticipated each Star Trek episode with a hope filled heart but when each was over came away vaguely disappointed, (the moral lesson previously well understood as I had long before internalized the lessons clearly explicated by the Brothers Grimm, H.C.Anderson, 1001 Nights, etc. as read aloud by my parents), except for the Picard episode curiously named, "The Inner Light", which was a tiny perfect gem of science fiction and the only ST episode I have permanently recorded although compared to everything by Philip K. Dick I had read before 1966 it is very modest.

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

p.s. The first season of Star Trek: Discovery was very good.

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

p.p.s. Whoever is responsible for ending "The Expanse" prematurely deserves a good thrashing.

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

Correction: The "The Expanse" is still happening but has moved to a place where I can't see it.

[@richardanderson7387]

Is it a sin to say "I'll pray for you" and then neglecting to pray for them? I bet that is what happens in 9 out of 10 "I'll pray for you" incidents...

[@leonardobautista1619]

Anybody here who can give testimony of their lives becoming much better the moment they dropped religion or any "spiritual" discipline for good?

[@darrylelam256]

10:30 'I pray for you' bugs my depending on who is saying it. If it's someone that I know and we have a good relationship. Then it doesn't bug me at all cus I know that they mean well. But when someone who I don't know says that they will pray for me, now that bugs the hell out of me, even if they mean well.

[@nikolatesla5553]

I don't know if anyone else notices this. But Seth Andrews doppelganger is sports analyst Colin Cowherd. They look like twins.

[@24elijahR]

Hell, I still say "bless you" after a sneeze. At this point I don't think most religious people are actually thinking about "blessing" anyone when they do it. It's like when someone is about to take a test and you say "good luck". Has anyone every not said that, then walked away and thought "Holy fuck! I forgot to wish her luck! She's gonna fail the test now, and it's all my fault!" It's the same thing. Seth's right, these reactionary phrases which were originally religious, are not the hill to die on.

[@erikb120]

Shit. You’re a heroe. This was great.