Miracles And The Supernatural | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@Leith_Crowther]

I guarantee that if we go interviewing New Yorkers, we will find 500 eye witnesses to Spider-Man.

[@d_camara]

You'll find one eyewitness that claims they+499 others saw spiderman in minutes...

[@JerryPenna]

Both are true

[@Magnusfication]

Especially after an artist a couple years ago put up mannequins on top of several rooftops across the city. Eventho they looked nothing like spiderman, thats the first thing that came to my mind when i saw them.

[@NotAPacifist825]

But it's much worse than that because the gospels don't contain eyewitness accounts. They contain a claim that eyewitnesses existed.

[@johnchambers9836]

I've seen him! He's stuck in my bath

[@KyouTGD]

If your preacher tells to ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test’ what they mean is "don't question me." That should make you more suspicious of him, not less.

[@nealjroberts4050]

The whole "you can't know god" while declaring things they "know" about said god is another red flag too

[@quentind1924]

@@nealjroberts4050 Yeah, if anyone says "you can't know god", we should just reply that 1 they just admitted to be agnostics, 2 so then why do you believe, 3 why do you try to defend god, and 4 i'm pretty sure they read the bible anyway (or an holy book from another religion if they're not christians)

[@Rage867]

Every bible story basically starts with someone who doesn't believe and God showed up amd proved he was real. But after Jesus, right when we gained the ability to more accurately track history is the exact moment that all gods decided to stop showing up. What a coincidence.

[@mistylover7398]

Yup exactly

[@mistylover7398]

​@@nealjroberts4050 yup

[@antimatter2380]

There's a huge difference between 500 people saying they saw something and someone claiming 500 people saw it.

[@seandonahue8464]

And none of those 500 people were so impressed with the resurrection that they wrote a word of it. Not one of the resurrected dead from the graves went on to be written about or write a word about that. Lazarus resurrected and never wrote about it or is even a thought afterwords. My brain hurts

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@seandonahue8464 Good point about the resurrected saints that "went out among the people of Jerusalem". Not only is there ZERO outside the Bible mention of the zombie saints, but the other three Gospels don't even mention it! 🤣The dead saint uprising would have started a cult or two above & beyond whatever cult Jesus would inspire.

[@seandonahue8464]

@@discontinuedmodel232 Christopher Hitchens is where I heard about it. He went on to say, “Resurrections became something of a banality.” It seems. I was raised Catholic. I remember the stories as a kid. I wish I could take credit for thinking then. I didn’t really think until hearing Hitchens really. Now I feel like Neo in the Matrix. I still have to work on knowing more but it feels good to be out of it and thinking. 🥳

[@brucebaker810]

​@@discontinuedmodel232 zombie cult...and a movie or 2. Oh right, no movies. A book then. Oh right. No books. A scroll or 2...?

[@joshsheridan9511]

Reports of eyewitness accounts are not eyewitness accounts.

[@jexelbur6872]

At best it’s hearsay.

[@ziploc2000]

Even in court you can get multiple conflicting eyewitness accounts, and the jury just has to decide who to believe. The caller seems to believe that if one eyewitness says 500 people saw an incident, that gives their testimony more weight, even if they do not produce a single one of those 500 extra eyewitnesses.

[@patriceriksson7924]

That is so true! But remember! It’s always the Butler. Or any of the proposed gods I guess?

[@hzoonka4203]

correct,its hearsay!

[@kasocool2812]

I remember back in school we talked about human memory and how recollection can be flawed. The class watched a video clip of a car getting rear ended. It was like a minute long and we had to write down answers questions like. What colour was the cars, what gender were the drivers etc. When then we had to answer the questions again the next class (like a couple days later) from memory and the same a week later It showed that overtime our recollection got worse but even some people's answers from day 1 were wrong

[@duckarse11]

I think it's a Miracle, it's 2024 and people still believe in Gods and Magic.

[@HumanismIsEvil]

I think it's a miracle in 2024 that atheist humanists believe so deeply in faith that their children can have a brain of a different gender in their body that they would cross-dress their children and do a lot worse.. I don't know if they actually believe it or they just do it because it causes them to be stimulated. The closest explanation I ever heard for magic came from atheist humanist Richard Dawkins who said he believes everything came from nothingness, no air no space nothingness.. and after reading out all the atheist on the threads called him a genius for saying so I came to the conclusion that Richard must have made a bet with one of his friends that he can get atheists to call him a genius if he says the most ridiculous thing he could think of. If that's the case Richard made a lot of money

[@queuecee]

@@HumanismIsEvil You keep posting debunked lies.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@queuecee How else can they discredit themselves?

[@rbwinn3]

@@queuecee quecee, what about Einstein's miracle where he says that two clocks with different rates will have times that result in the same speed for an airplane? That certainly seems like a supernatural event to me. So, what are you saying? It was just a little miracle, so it does not count? I think, personally, that you educated people are using the wrong equations. I know how sensitive you modern college graduates are about this. Blarg almost had a breakdown over it.

[@queuecee]

@@rbwinn3 Oh. You mean his theory of relativity that's been demonstrated over and over? That what you mean? You know, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's false.

[@INSOLIASTUDIOS]

Callers with this kind of gullibility are prime suspects for Scammers

[@tigdogsbody]

Scanners such as the priesthood.

[@cesariglesias297]

​@@tigdogsbodyThey love those easy targets sadly

[@JustReed]

He's young.

[@MarkMiller-gt5tu]

​@@tigdogsbody"🧀 Cheese Poofie" 🤣.

[@cupguin]

I remember someone was tried to convince me Christianity was real with some bizarre and vague story about changing Jesus's name to protect themselves from tigers. Could not understand that it wasn't at all convincing.

[@JakB001]

This guy was definitely putting Descartes before the horse

[@tigdogsbody]

Terrible, I love it.

[@tekbarrier]

I Kant believe you would go there

[@dwightfitch3120]

Heard that before and it’s great!

[@tigdogsbody]

@@tekbarrier You are just as bad; well said.

[@brucebaker810]

Descartes and a talking horse go into a bar. Yes, Descartes went in first. He had to open the door. How would the horse turn the knob? That's just silly. So the horse says to the bartender, "je prance, donkey suis." ...And 500 people in the bar were witnesses! Trust me, bro. Descartes swore to me this happened.

[@seandonahue8464]

He is so focused on driving to the hoop, he never notices, he doesn’t have the ball.

[@dwightfitch3120]

Very well put!

[@CrawfishDeluxe]

Apologists of his type are so intensely pathetic it's hard to even understand. How in the hell he thought these arguments were good ones is totally beyond me. And if this is the kind of person his god sends to convince people, I can say confidently god wants everyone to be atheists.

[@johns1625]

500 eye witness accounts ARE NOT the same thing as one person claiming that 500 people witnessed an event.

[@andyhodge9703]

I've never heard a caller quite so desperate for his beliefs to be true , even in the face of reasoned argument . At every turn when his claims are diminished , he stumbles on to yet another round of special pleading . It's actually quite pitiful really .

[@donnyh3497]

"There are a lot of people who claim to have seen miracles" Yeah, and there are people who claim to have had sex with ghosts too. People are idiots 🙄

[@patriceriksson7924]

I agree! Btw! Are there any videos of said activities? I’m asking for a friend.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Dr Crusher and the sexy ghost candle

[@duckarse11]

You misheard, there are people who claim to have had sex with Goats.

[@dougbryant5417]

When my mum caught me wanking I said it was a ghost raping me.

[@stephenjackson7797]

Why didn't any supernatural claim pass James Randi's conditions and collect their million bucks?

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Because god is trying to trick us. It's a game to him, like hide and seek. If we can't find him even when he's entirely hidden, it's our fault and we deserve to suffer horribly forever.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@ChrisM-zm4li Sounds like a loving god who isn't evil at all.

[@queuecee]

@@HumanismIsEvil NO ONE has proven that a consciousness can exist without a brain. There's not a single scientific citation saying this.

[@Pmrace1960]

@@ChrisM-zm4li sarcasm??

[@rationalityrus7530]

The caller's problem is that he does not understand that the Bible is a collection of claims, and that claims are not evidence that the claim is true. Hard evidence outside the Bible is required to prove the claims. Therefore Biblical claims alone are not evidence of anything. The caller is so emotionally attached to his beliefs that he is willing to suspend all reason and good judgement to accept his beliefs. And that pretty much sums up the problems that most believers have that make these calls.

[@lordcommandersnow1611]

Exactly this. It's obvious, too, because the strat that 90% of callers go directly to is "Oh, you don't believe the claims made in this book are true? Well let me read you a part of the book that has obvious holes in it if you think for 2 seconds to try and convince you that the claims made in the book **ARE** true! Haha that'll show the atheists!"

[@dennishpestana9461]

Just claims.that is all.All stories.

[@Pmrace1960]

6 years on hope this guy has found his way out of this nonsense

[@MrMattSax]

I love when Christians make the “500” claim. It’s ONE person claiming 500 who we have no testimony from, no records of, no names, nothing, just one guy saying 500 people saw a thing.

[@KasperKatje]

And the guy making the claim wasn't even there himself...😂

[@aarrgghh]

shorter caller: "the big problem with your approach is that you're rejecting my claims for lack of evidence."

[@OriginalBernieBro]

God could show up and stop playing hide and seek 😂

[@Lcacique]

It's strange how claims are considered evidence when they support your chosen God; however, when claims are made in support of other Gods, they're just claims and they're easy to dismiss.

[@PeterLauderdale]

These calls are my favorite. He’s so desperate to find a way to validate the claims that he’s been indoctrinated with and wants to believe that he looks to all sorts of ways to do it and of course those ideas are blown up in about 10 minutes probably won’t stop him because people who wanna believe in something badly will look for Evidence and reason whether it’s right or wrong

[@APKAssassin]

I'm always amazed at how hard people (who appear to have reasonable mental faculties) will go out of their way to defend horrible logic in order to believe something that is clearly incorrect (and even ridiculous)... simply because others have told them that their belief is "the way".

[@Mr_Porter]

I wonder how many callers took the hosts' invitation to post to the blog? My guess is very few of them ever did. The majority of them just called in the following week without changing or adjusting anything.

[@briancomley8210]

If Jesus existed as outlined in the bible, he could have written his own book, so as not to have other people try and write about what they think he meant, causing all this confusion we are arguing about today.

[@thedaemonator3244]

But god wants us to *believe* and *have faith* without evidence because for some reason that I won't demonstrate that is very important for god and not at all important for my motives in trying to get you to accept my version of god and bend to the rules I ascribe to god.

[@briancomley8210]

@@thedaemonator3244 Has he told you that, or did someone else tell you?. Why would anyone want to worship such a bad being or spirit as outlined in the bible?. Let alone one you can't even show is real.

[@thedaemonator3244]

@@briancomley8210 please actually fully read what i wrote to the end and with the intended sarcasm in place

[@Pmrace1960]

i doubt there was a jesus to write anything

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@thedaemonator3244 Yet in the Old Testament (especially the first few books) nobody NEEDED faith because God just showed up and started "laying down the law" and smiting people and demolishing cities and flooding the planet and whatnot. He showed himself (in various ways) so it was readily apparent to everybody that he existed and was a force to be reckoned with. He sometimes helped out in battles against the enemies of his "chosen people" by raining down fatally large hailstones on the enemy. Yet that came to a screeching halt in the New Testament when "faith" was needed to believe in God/Jesus.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Natural processes by definition are not supernatural. Claiming that they are is either ignorant at best or dishonest at worst.

[@smochygrice465]

Thank God for dungeons and dragrons 🙏 (DnD being my personal experience with the supernatural) 🤓 And a good Tuesday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️

[@einienj3281]

Miracles, as in magic and supernatural intervention, is not true. Is being lucky to survive a sinking boat a miracle? No. It's all about the particular situation and decisions made under pressure.

[@Gerryjournal]

The rest of the developed world is so pleased America exists. In so many ways, such as religion, politics, and guns, they show us where we must never go

[@paulcontursi5982]

The sad fact that this guy cannot distinguish between a claim and evidence is all you need to know about how religious belief completely sabotages logic and critical thinking skills.

[@paul.c.gregory]

The way this guy was speaking, he’s had this exact argument spewed at him by apologists and preachers, and he’s just pulling on his recollection of those speeches. I don’t believe he has done any of his own research.

[@SeedMayers]

The mental gymnastics are in the ballpark of mirakles.

[@Columbiastargazer]

i claim that the caller must have sailed a river in Egypt

[@planetmewmew]

Can you explain this joke please? I don't understand

[@planetmewmew]

Can you explain this joke please? I don't understand

[@kowoh]

It’s so bizarre when callers call creationists dr.

[@F_N_Inquisitor]

I really hate the abuse of the English language committed by theist apologists.

[@waynedexter]

Instead of “hate” I think the word resent is more apropos 😉

[@rostamanFoSho]

My cats speak better Spanish than this guy speaks English.

[@bobwilson3980]

There are no eye witnesses, we only have people saying there were eye witnesses.

[@karenmiller6088]

Wow! To bring up Paul and claim there were eyewitnesses.... now if he would simply go through his scriptures and read each incident that story is mentioned in his holy book and compare them. Saul/Paul claims that God isn't the author of confusion so... God didn't write or even inspire the Bible because it's jam packed with contridictions and confusing statements.

[@Mac-vy2-rv]

I agree 👍

[@asyetundetermined]

What a maroon

[@brucebaker810]

He should never have taken that left turn at Gethsemane.

[@WhizzRichardThompson]

The caller is so gullible

[@forcedtohaveahandle]

Would you say all other theists are as well? 🤔

[@brucewilliams4152]

For the bible tells me so. The gospels come from 40 plus years of oral.story telling.

[@samuelmunaku3754]

I like these hosts. They are so kind. As an atheist I always put compassion as my top value because religious people always assume the worst of us. I believe many of these callers are cognitively challenged and struggle to form logical connections. It makes me cringe when the hosts get agitated and start using swear words. I usually skip the video at that point.

[@chrisgrill6302]

I've seen flatfish that flounder less than this guy.

[@brucebaker810]

But they keep carping about this Cod character. Despite crappie evidence.

[@chrisgrill6302]

​@@brucebaker810Oh God. You do understand you are going to hell for that, quite rightly. 😅

[@chrisgrill6302]

​@@brucebaker810Groan. You know you are going to hell for that and rightly so.

[@arifsaleem5467]

At the end it always boils down to personal experience.

[@brucebaker810]

The personal experience...from reading of someone else's personal experience. Written by people who weren't there to have the personal experience.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

"But I WAAAAANT to believe it!!"

[@carter358]

Exactly. It's willful ignorance.

[@ApatheticFish3667]

Oh god, here we go...

[@joshsheridan9511]

We know things like NDE's and OBE's have natural explanations, so to appeal to the supernatural is not a convincing reason to believe.

[@EdithBromfeld]

Nonsense. Naturalistic speculations are nowhere near sufficient. But hey, you atheists have blind faith in insufficient Naturalistic speculations.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I do hope noone pretends that anything unknown about NDEs etc means they must be supernatural and/or divine. That kind of "god of the gaps" argument would not only be embarrassing but could be construed as being dishonest about the facts.

[@Sundae_Times]

@@EdithBromfeld Jim, do you condone or condemn CSA?

[@joshsheridan9511]

​@@EdithBromfeldlol they are not speculations NDE's can be replicated in the lab and fighter pilots have reported the same experiences after passing out during High G training. None were even close to death. Facts matter, pity all you have is faith.

[@EdithBromfeld]

@@joshsheridan9511 You are dead wrong to claim G-LOC is the same as NDE's or evidence that NDE's are physical hallucination. You are also lying to claim an NDE can be reproduced in a lab. You have no evidence of any such thing. Liar. Once again, you are ignorant of the evidence. Facts matter spanky. You have nothing but blind faith in phantom Naturalistic non-explanations without a shred of evidence.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Why has nothing supernatural been proven? And so many things onve labelled supernatural just shown to be previously unknown natural phenomena and events? Labelling something supernatural is just another "god of the gaps" argument

[@HumanismIsEvil]

At what time the idea of consciousness existing without a brain was called supernatural until it was proven that consciousness can exist without a brain.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@HumanismIsEvil It's never been proven that consciousness can exist without a brain. Do you want to raise the sponges who use their bodies as brains again and pretend they don't?

[@Leith_Crowther]

@@HumanismIsEvilDude, this is awesome. If you can show me evidence of consciousness without a brain, I’ll have to rethink a lot of things. Bring that on. Gonna go ahead and ignore your second post because even my parrot could debunk it.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@Leith_Crowther I suspect a deep sea sponge would do rather well at it too 😉

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@HumanismIsEvilIf that’s been proven, please give all the details. Until you do, you just sound very, let’s say for politeness, stubborn

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

I wonder how much money the church has stolen from this caller? I bet it's quite a bit...

[@jonrendell]

Caller has a really pleasant voice.

[@patriceriksson7924]

How can anyone equiped with a thinking mind buy in to what people like Mr Licona say’s?

[@ALTDOK667]

​@HumanismIsEvil is possibly the silliest thing I have ever read. Get your rock checked, It may be cracked!

[@queuecee]

@@ALTDOK667 This isn't the only silly thing he's said. He said that abiogenesis is supernatural because it describes the origin of life and doesn't include "goddunit" anywhere. I'm not joking about this. He says that a sea sponge without a nervous system is "conscious" because he thinks all predators are conscious and a sea sponge is a predator. He thinks if you disbelieve something, you are unwilling and incapable of accepting any evidence to the contrary. So if you disbelieve evolution, they can't ever accept evolution because they are unwilling and incapable of accepting any evidence, even scientific evidence. So you have a LOT of silly things from him to choose from.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Remember that anyone calling natural processes supernatural, and thus not natural by default, is either grossly ignorant at best or terribly dishonest at worst. Only the most dishonest would continually repeat that the natural is supernatural.

[@joshsheridan9511]

​@@ALTDOK667his rock is crack 😂😂😂

[@Mac-vy2-rv]

@@HumanismIsEvil So, other than disbelieving in god, what other cognitive abilities does a rock have then?

[@Beacon80]

Looks like Levine got scared and took down his thread.

[@queuecee]

Maybe it was a deep sea sponge that used its consciousness to delete the thread.🤷‍♂ As all scientists know, any predator organism has consciousness. Just like an amoeba, a single-cell predator. It has a consciousness because it's a predator... is what a complete idiot ignorant of science or philosophy would say.

[@lh1673]

It’s a MIRACLE! I woke up from mind control🎉

[@landsgevaer]

As soon as the supernatural manifests itself, it becomes natural though... Say, if someone died and then resurrects, that just means that our ideas about life and death are wrong; that does not make it supernatural. Is my position.

[@brianmonks8657]

Yep, by definition anything that exists in Nature, i.e. reality, is natural. If ghosts, souls, magic, psychic powers, etc. exist in reality they are natural. The term supernatural can only mean something that is natural, but not understood, or doesn't exist.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I do hope no idiot tries to claim natural abiogenesis is supernatural.

[@Beacon80]

@@HumanismIsEvil You say 100%, then completely disagree with him.

[@queuecee]

@@nealjroberts4050 This is the same guy who says that a sea sponge has consciousness because it's a "predator". According to his definition, even a single cell organism has a consciousness, as long as it's a predator.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@queuecee These being the sea sponges whose very bodies are their brains!

[@KGP221]

How do we detect, observe, and measure supernatural phenomenon? With a supernatural phenomenon detector. Me to myself - of course - duh. Does anyone know where I can buy one?

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

What, you don't have any DIY mannuals for supernatural phenomenon detectors on your planet?

[@KGP221]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor No, we don't even have any supernatural phenomenon detector manuals for dummies. 🤣

[@BeefT-Sq]

" Faith in the supernatural begins as faith in the superiority of others." -Ayn Rand-

[@slimjim227]

Paul admits that he told lies. For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?’ (Romans 3:7). What he is suggesting is that it is perfectly acceptable to make up lies if the effect is to make people believe what he believes. Church Fathers shared his views.

[@dougbryant5417]

When the theist pulls out that Bayesian shit you know he’s clutching at straws…

[@fugazi225]

thanks for content

[@allendesomer]

20:47 No! Does this person have good reason to be mistaken? Personally, I view Paul's writings and beliefs to he based on a lucid dream. I've had several lucid dreams, and *WOW* they are powerfully realistic! 💫

[@smooth_sundaes5172]

Errors, mistakes and unusual things happen all the time without any super natural explanation required. The bible is no explanation for anything.

[@aaronschoelles7879]

How do you discount the evidence that Christianity has laid the foundational guidelines for Western Society? Based on other evidence our culture is an anomaly. I, as an Athiest, am struggling with this question. sorry if you already answered this. I just found you.

[@williamfortune755]

Zager and Evans had a song 67/68? ‘In the year 2525’whuch contains a line If gods a comin’ he should make it by then’

[@antoniom4099]

Name one good, solid eye witness account?

[@Magnusfication]

"But is just really really WANT this to be true and im going to will it inti existence."

[@brucebaker810]

Caller: ...but what about Five Hundred witnesses!? Me: You don't have 500 witnesses (now dead and immune from questioning). You have ONE PERSON. The writer (also now dead) who CLAIMS there were 500 witnesses. And I believe that one person was Paul. Who, by his own admission, *_was not even present._* "Okay, I wasn't there to see the resurrection. But 500 people were there and saw it." If you weren't there, how do you know that? Did you hear it from 500 people? Or maybe 1? None of whom Paul OR we can question.

[@waynedexter]

You’re being charitable. I would swap the word “understand” with the word care. But that’s just me

[@MrCanis4]

“Near dead” Just what the word says. Near, is NOT dead YET.

[@suilegew]

Even if people have super-natural abilities, that does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that there's a god.

[@geminirox8635]

The biggest problem with proving the supernatural is once proven to exist it becomes natural.

[@JustReed]

I'm an Ex-Christian and not an Atheist. I believe in life after death and the super natural. Thats ok, but Christianity is the biggest con on humanity.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

I think in time, people were so proud of being literate and being able to write. Jesus should have ,would have, written his own book.

[@Beastt17]

Claiming a miracle is the same as saying, "I don't understand what I observed". And a "miracle" does not equate to God.

[@Shytot-1]

Before we can blame the butler we must first show there is a butler.

[@richardofpleasantway8027]

Paul's vision of "the 500" is just that- a vision, revelation. Why do theists keep bringing it up as evidence, even proof.

[@JustReed]

As an Ex-Christian. This test thing with miracles is the con. Peter supposedly walked on the sea of Galilee. Jesus said, "He who believes in me will do great works as I have..." Christian evangelicals have faked miracle revivals. I asked Christians this all my life. Do YOU have the faith to create miracles or not? 38+ years and still nothing. Thank you, Atheists even though I'm not an Atheist, nor Christian... any longer.

[@basildraws]

People trying to legitimize bad epistemology seem to want to categorize all kinds of things as evidence which are simply not. It’s as though they think that by using the word ‘evidence’, their claims gain epistemic weight. And then they compound the problem by believing that a lot of these pieces of bad evidence somehow combine to make good evidence. I wish more theists would simply drop the pretense of rationality and evidence and scientific rigour and just admit that they believe on faith and that’s it.

[@rbwinn3]

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

[@devb9912]

B Banzai - Wherever you go, there you are

[@18dot7]

Got anything else but infantile babble? You know, citing some book really doesn't cut it. Is that all you got? Well, then just shut the F up and keep rotting under your rock.

[@rbwinn3]

@@devb9912 As I understand it, you do not believe the Apostle Peter.

[@jeoffwalden4492]

How do you prove a supernatural cause or event

[@michaelcrawford3796]

Considering the fact it was written few hundred years after his supposed existence how are there eyewitnesses?

[@rickbrant5198]

Why is it that no other books make those claims?

[@Esteban45696]

Keeps throwing up zeros and acknowedges that they're crap but still wants to claim all together they add up to one. They don't you've started with an answer and you're desperate to make it fit and you're just laying fallacy upon fallacy just as Lycona did.

[@ronwhitehouse23]

These callers are so pathetic, they are not able to live a "real" life without the comfort of a supernatural father figure in heaven.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Sigh, this guy thinks he's an expert and that he's studied the subject because he can quote crazy Christian propagandists.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I suspect someone will eventually raise the usual debunked arguments: Fine tuning - no constants have ever been demonstrated to be tuned. Anthropic principle / puddle reasoning (distinct from FTA) - relies on assuming that things are noticeably existent because they were intended to be rather than because they exist and were noticed. KCA - relies on special pleading a particular something from nothing. Contingency - relies on special pleading that contingency exists. Causality isn't contingency either. Design - relies on comparing known human design with known lack of design then assuming everything unknown is designed. Irreducible Complexity - still not demonstrated to exist. Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. Claims that a god is required doesn't count as demonstrated ontologically. NDEs - basically another claim that personal experiences are true by default. DNA as information - usually hampered by misrepresentation of the definition of information, often with the false claim of being digital. Existence of Consciousness/Intelligence - often falsely claimed to require themselves already existing in order to exist. Free Will - usually involves equivocation on what free will means and false dichotomies on determinism and randomness.

[@damonkenny7818]

Why? Objective morals? You already admitted you think because of subjective meaning it’s correct for pedos to culturally define child grape to be good! Giving them 100% support.

[@damonkenny3444]

@@nealjroberts4050 How’s your own subjective moral meanings defamatory? You lose on moral ontology.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Anything other than defamatory posts?

[@amtlpaul]

​@@nealjroberts4050Damon's become a one trick pony.

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@amtlpaul Become? 😆

[@231rosslyn]

The caller is unable to process arguments from other side.

[@scottbroadfoot3530]

Christians forget or ignore that other religions have similar stories and claims but they just ignore or deny these. Special pleading should be explained in junior school.

[@davidszeremi1786]

Joe said a billion people saw marduk fly through the air and fight Tiamat....

[@valerie2645]

Many women were condemned as witches using eye witness accounts. Mass hysteria.

[@NormogGaming]

I wanna say that X proves god.. oh did I say X ? I ment Y. Oh Y don't work either? I mean my point is Z proves...

[@fyl24]

She insists that he jumps in and talks over him when he does.

[@brucebaker810]

God is not the author of confusion. He's the ghostwriter of confusion.

[@davenacrelli8538]

So if a person’s perception is supposed to be taken as evidence, what happens when someone feels that you assaulted them? It is their feeling that you did, even though you didn’t. I guess then you are guilty because we are supposed to accept personal feelings into evidence.

[@dougbryant5417]

Spanish cats talk Spanish. Obviously 🙄.

[@solly119119]

So depressing how otherwise intelligent people, which this caller seems to be, can so easily delude themselves into accepting fallacious arguments (this caller made many) so they can keep believing in something they simply just want to believe.

[@Inigo_The_Son]

@solly119119 It's almost as if their brain has a toggle switch, and they turn it to off whenever the topic is religion.

[@shannontaylor1849]

I don't care if it's natural or supernatural, can it make a novel prediction? That's the difference in science and religion.

[@charliehands5266]

I hate how stubborn theists can become. There is no need for arguments like this. If there was a god, it would be obvious, we would all worship the same god.

[@the_Hermanoid]

It's like his first time ever talking to grownups.

[@kriss3d]

There is no alternative to scientific methods. If you invent a method to examine something that is reliable and consistent ans who's results can be demonstrated it by default would become a scientific method.

[@quacks2much]

Perhaps most people don't know it, but claims about eating pets are a racist thing. Having lived in or near Indian Reservations much of my life, I can truthfully say that I have heard many (false) claims among the populace that Native Americans routinely eat dogs. I have also heard similar claims that Asians eat a lot of cats. These claims are made because of racism against Native Americans and Asians.

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

Absolutely and completely wrong. Many cultures - including Asia - eat cat meat as westerners would cow, pig, and sheep. It has nothing to do with racist connotations about 'eating pets'...

[@hankc1208]

evidence is weighed and evaluated

[@guylandolt]

It's amazing that this almighty God didn't intervene in the world wars, for example... or even better, in the crusades. - Oh, sorry... he is almighty, so he caused all the wars.

[@slimjim1104]

Is that heidi fleiss?

[@sultan.savalan]

Then Sathya Sai Baba in India who perform miracle and has thousands of "witnesses" is a better evidence since it is not from 2000 years ago.

[@brucewilliams4152]

I amazed that the caller does not realise he has zero evidence to support his position.. 1) empty tomb, where, Romans usually disposed of a body in a midden not a tomb. That is a biblical claim with no evidence. 2eye witness? Who.when where..You have a claim in the bible of eyewitness, written By anonymous authors writing between 40 to 100 years later. Or the bible tells me so. Paul, who says so? Paul? Why should I take his word or actually alleged word.

[@MagnusMarcellus]

I am not really amazed considering there are millions of people like him who believes in all this. Without absolutely no shred of evidence..

[@williamjohn2910]

This guy works at idiots r us.