SethTheProgrammer VS AfroSenju XL and KabukiSage Debate | Minato VS The Akatsuki

[@PentagonThief1]

Seth: you guys aren’t understanding Afro: I do I’m just confused with what you are saying.

[@user-top3p]

I'm dead bruh

[@Taijuu1]

😂😂😂😂

[@MFMFazo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@momotheone9700]

You guys understand that pimpin(Seth) isn't saying that Itachi alone can beat minato,he's saying that Itachi,in conjunction with the akatisuki, and beat minato.

[@momotheone9700]

The way it sounds is like he's saying that if the itachi weren't there the akatisuki would get washed by minato 😂😂😂😂.

[@soulmustdie3631]

Legend has it that Kabuki is still looking for those scans of Obito saying he was scared of Itachi.

[@maddcruiser8874]

LMAO

[@timetopwn3429]

Havent seen the whole video, but maybe he's referring to the movie where Naruto faces Menma (cant remember that name right now, sorry!). When the akatsuki shows up, Itachi looks at Obito and Obito retreats saying that Itachi is the only one who scares him, or something like that. Not saying I agree with Kabukis argument. Just offering a reference of where he MAY have got it from.

[@soulmustdie3631]

TimeToPwn34 Road To Ninja is a noncanon movie so I HOPE Kabuki wasn’t referring to that. Kabuki was bringing up the popular fan made argument of “Obito said he was afraid of Itachi in the series”. Tbh Afro and Kabuki were being pretty ignorant during this debate so that doesn’t really surprise me that he’d pull out a fan made statement such as that. Tbh, after watching this debate I sorta question their knowledge of Naruto lmao. They’re cool KZbinrs but you can tell that they’re just sorta casual viewers. Not a big deal though.

[@thenintenbro7154]

@@soulmustdie3631 They're just not power scalers. This is like a peasant fighting a king.

[@jbark678]

I think he's referring to Obito and Sasuke's conversation after the Itachi fight. That's the only time I could see it happening.

[@ultramajin0]

Seth really debated someone who didn't know the difference between the speed of light and lighting... 💀

[@thelastgigachad7994]

NaH dUdE wHaT aRe yOu tAlKiNg aBoUt ThErE iS oNlY a 3000 TimeS diFfeReNce

[@1k._miah]

😂

[@kingtanto4]

😂

[@kingtanto4]

@Tahje Samuels Tell ya mans to learn the 3000 TIMES difference between the speed of light and lightning.

[@AviorGloria]

@Tahje Samuels Tell ya mans to stick to gaming, that's where he belongs, he's clearly to ignorant to be a debater.

[@tyson543]

Seth: (Says the most logical thing.) Debate me bro, give me feats. Afro: I see what you're saying and 100% agree, but...

[@tetraboom2739]

you're*

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

....

[@michaeltreu4152]

@@tetraboom2739 stfu

[@tetraboom2739]

@@michaeltreu4152 You stfu, prick.

[@thatguy6056]

@@tetraboom2739 No you stfu, prick.

[@nel1014]

“can’t be the speed of light, where’s the light” 💀💀💀💀NEVER FORGET

[@notoriousmani613]

Nel ignorance is real

[@HeroHoshi]

Ppl are damn stupid

[@MohamedAhmed-nb2nu]

LMAO

[@Itsurboydom]

😂

[@NoLimitsHtx]

Nel WE’RE SUPPOSED TO USE FACTS

[@ziggibear1920]

Kabuki: Are you telling me minato is flipping his kunai at the speed of light? Seth: Yes Afro: But he's not tho Seth: Why? Afro: Cause he's not Kabuki: Get em Afro

[@LuckiSir]

Man I love Afro, and Seth, dunno bout Kabuki tho

[@pxrple7022]

Mr progaramner where’s the light

[@Orb745]

This 'debate' was painful to watch

[@adamelalami6911]

"Get em Afro" LMAOO

[@inteqtipz6291]

Kabuki is an idiot

[@christiang.7332]

"How am I supposed to tell, I can't see at the speed of light" that had me dead LOL

[@Shxnkzwrld_]

time stamp plz

[@CrackHardy]

@@Shxnkzwrld_ 50:32

[@TheForsakenSentry]

😂😂😂😂

[@shafeckbrown496]

🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂💀💀☠💀

[@a2-_fg]

Lmao

[@ZayStayGrindin]

It’s crazy how Afro thought lightning speed and light speed are the same😂

[@jax1384]

Smh pretentious niggas nowadays

[@sparknazo]

How the hell does he not know the difference between speed of lightning and light that literally why space travel measure by lightyears since light is the fastest mode of travel

[@Ordracusmaster]

Mr. Blue Is Too Smooth you can’t travel @ the speed of light but ur answer is in point so good job for that

[@lnpREKKA]

hurr look at me im so smart

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

LinkNPkmn No your not.

[@bryanbrantley4321]

There’s no way in hell I’m the only person who can’t stop laughing at this. “ can’t be the speed of light, where’s the light “ 🤣 I’m crying 😂

[@briannguyen2992]

I watch this every now and then and every time it hurts my head that kabuki cannot comprehend seth and I'm sitting here like wtf guys he explained it like 1000 times

[@alexthegreat1254]

same i had to pause for like 5 minutes to regain my composure

[@Lusciouscapybara]

@@briannguyen2992 I know I want to jump through the screen and just tell him to shut up he can’t comprehend anything

[@MrKillswitch777]

Had to turn it off honestly, they act like Minato is a God but that conflicts with their other God Itachi.

[@hearten6]

@@MrKillswitch777 What Seth was arguing makes sense, you just don’t want to understand because of the hype behind Itachi.

[@danielola-abidoye1365]

Huh? Afro? In a debate? With Seth? I’m very very surprised but I’m lowkey expecting Seth to body both of them

[@BabyPluto82]

Well Surprise suprise he did🤧

[@appledough3843]

Tobi Seth is kinda garbage too. He just debates retarded ass people. So by contrast he looks like he's a beast. When he's actually mediocre.

[@sparknazo]

@@appledough3843 seth is kinda good actually out of him swag and clyde i often find his arguments the hardest to counter but the only argument i remember he got destroy in is the ben 10 vs goku where he underestimated ben 10 feats

[@BabyPluto82]

Alex Xavier Debate him then and let’s see how good you are “Champ”

[@danielola-abidoye1365]

Mr. Blue Is Too Smooth agreed Seth most of the time knows his shit and knows how to present his points well a key example in this debate is how he won it at the start

[@kelltaylor5774]

“Where was that in the war?” *Minato in the third shinobi war: murders 1,000+ jonin class ninja*

[@KiDSZN]

so seth is saying minato can beat hashirama and madara too becuz of his speed?

[@rylonharmon542]

@@KiDSZN If you actually payed attention you would know Seth outright said: "Itachi would take it" in the beginning. He was just playing Devil's Advocate to test Afro and later Kabuki.

[@silveryo7678]

Young Giant no because those two have feats above minato

[@salem1451]

Silveryo Exactly, because Madara scales far above Minato.

[@LetsDiscussFR]

Hes plating devils advocate. Oml

[@SleepyChloeFist]

Afro and Kabuki can't even comprehend their own ignorance lol. **edit. At least Afro is respetful. I retract calling him ignorant.

[@luccixxii2196]

No need to retract it, ignorance is something everyone is affected by.

[@dank_tomatoes1165]

Talk your shit bro bro. Man's was hella ignorant

[@ephemeralxq]

I am actually amazed that seth managed to stay so calm during this, I would've exploded debating these two

[@calmrage8626]

It’s nothing amazing, he just has basic understanding of the situation unlike you. None of them debate like that and Seth obviously does this for a living and does it so much it’s his trademark to debate. You can’t even get mad at them for not being that good.

[@kinggeee9570]

Nnoitora Gilga yes you can because there speaking bullshit and not bringing up facts so yes you can get mad at the

[@realkhyri]

@@calmrage8626 He can get mad because they're forcing him to explain the same exact point 100 times over. You're there to debate not teach 1 yr old the ABCs

[@calmrage8626]

Ascent 2K he knows they don’t debate, of what you are saying would be the case for Seth he wouldn’t debate them at all. He knows who he is debating cause he isn’t a idiot and he knows they are 2 guys who don’t debate so that’s why he has patience for their nonsense. It’s just basic understanding that anyone debating would have to have.

[@oxiclean8536]

@@calmrage8626 either way I would still get a little heated because Kabuki is making arguments that are mostly circular reasoning argument of incredulity and a couple red herrings

[@famewars14]

Seth would probably even win if he was to debate kiba vs the akatsuki lmao

[@jeremybrisebois1756]

Tenshi Hed probably be able to get away with Sakura vs madara

[@curtisnewsom6168]

Well kiba has a meteor busting attack as an adult according to Konoha Hiden. He used it during the toneri otsutsuki attack. He completely destroyed a meteor on his own.

[@logicseeker3770]

@@jeremybrisebois1756 I mean, I could debate Sakura winning against Madara. You'd be surprised what evidence you can find, if you look hard enough.

[@zanemiracle6121]

@@logicseeker3770 Sakura can beat baby madara. I thought that was universal knowledge

[@logicseeker3770]

@@zanemiracle6121 I meant that I could make an argument that Adult Sakura could beat Adult Madara in his prime.

[@m_ali_0450]

LMAO Kabuki and Afro are collecting L's like infinity stones. First Seth, now Swag and 6. Who's next

[@JalenEx]

To be fair Afro didn’t get to say much since Kabuki and Six were arguing like kids.

[@Smigglesdigy]

@@JalenEx To be fair it’s hard to stop Kabuki when everytime you try to talk he yells at you for not answering his question, even if you’re answering his question

[@demon_hawkeye5269]

@@Smigglesdigy kabuki is so annoying, I could totally get the anger from swag and six

[@up6501]

@@Smigglesdigy yeah he’s brain dead lmao and Afro really doesn’t have the best comprehension but he tries and isn’t annoying as all hell like kabuki

[@trev9168]

@@JalenEx he did. It’s just everything he said was just as stupid as kubuki just less loud. This guy is a clown

[@purplepirate8967]

Did Afro say Itachi vs Hashirama is a "debatable topic"? Bruh

[@mylesgreen7264]

XD IM CRYING

[@mementomori3665]

lol, everyone knows Itachi stomps 😂😂 *crying laughing emoji*

[@Berlinbower]

Looool

[@vlinnstone6919]

@@mementomori3665 You serious?! Itachi? Beating *HASHIRAMA* ? The fucking nigga that slapped *MADARA* ? Yeah, no, fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[@vlinnstone6919]

@Mr. Green Yeah I know, right? Watch him claim "oh it's just a joke" or "I'm trolling" or, well, "r/whoosh".

[@koleking2519]

This was actually terrible, Seth perfectly outlined his points and made it easily follow able, i'm pretty sure the only reason afro was confused is due to Kabuki seemingly playing dumb, or maybe he is just that dumb.

[@Riskofrain527]

That and afro not knowing the speed of lightning is not the speed of light.

[@hawkinsgames5773]

@@Riskofrain527 well a lot of people dont know that

[@calmrage8626]

Afro and kabuki aren’t debaters or nigga’s they get put out like this, it’s just for fun so givin the points here, he would probably beat your ass on a debate if he did this shit.

[@Friskyboi_-]

@@calmrage8626 when you don't get simple points and say that a feat is invalid LITERALLY AFTER WATCHING IT (kunai, bee, obito, 8 tails etc...) ge just denied it cuz of his headcanon, this shit isn't even about debating experience, literally just logic and understanding, all he did was interrupt him and deny him, he's the worst type to debate against cuz he talks shit, has no deductive reasoning or mechanics and is hella impolite

[@blazethehedgehog1159]

@@Friskyboi_- for real 😂😂😂

[@cobaltjay9862]

Seth: you aren't gonna use my Itachi point are you ? Kabukisage: no *seth immediately backing him into a corner* Kabukisage: BUT YOU SAID ITACHI CAN KEEP UP WI-

[@Smigglesdigy]

What makes that funnier is that Seth followed that up by saying it *opens the door*, not that it guarantees the win, which means there’s a further step needed for Itachi to justify the win

[@Nezxmi]

@@Smigglesdigy Yep, you'd still have to argue that alive Itachi is relative to EMS Sasuke, which he really isn't. But Seth could prob make it work lol.

[@Smigglesdigy]

@@Nezxmi Seth is Seth, he's stalemated someone on a Brick vs an omnipotent being. Anything he says can't be taken as fact because he could troll and win with it

[@samueljackson3512]

Saying you can't use Itachi's best speed feat is just dumb though, Seth just gets his rocks off trolling Obito reacted to KCM2 Naruto, Kisame reacted to v2 Bee, Nagato reacted to KCM1 Naruto and v2 Killer Bee at the same time Databook says Kirin is light speed Seths calcs are all calc stacking Cutting an 8 tails tail isn't impressive at all, many people have done it Minato gets fucking shitstomped with no Cloak and Seth knows it If he debated a real debater instead of clowns he would get destroyed

[@cobaltjay9862]

@@samueljackson3512 it’s more so the integrity of the debate. If that’s not something he knew at the start then it’s not something you should use during

[@gengaider859]

this is what happens when yamcha and chiaotzu take on beerus

[@Riskofrain527]

This is what happens when bulma and chi chi try to face someone who's not afraid to hit back.

[@sinlessgalaxy3132]

@@Riskofrain527 Brutal..

[@kaveman3136]

@@Riskofrain527 Ong! I will low-key die the day they both get hit . Well I guess bulma has been but chi chi hasn't.

[@goroadachi9489]

Kave Man mmmmmm Super Buu kinda crushed her

[@goroadachi9489]

Kave Man And Zamasu killed her

[@bluescorpion6156]

Lmao when Seth has to explain the same god damn point over and over for no reason. Afro got it eventually but kabuki was just being plain ignorant. I would of flipped my shit if I was Seth

[@NoLimitsHtx]

Bluescorpion6 Man that shit was pissing me off lmao

[@mrmackellar3337]

Bluescorpion6 If you were Seth, you’d have probably been used to shit like that at that point

[@BunchyPanther42]

I mean it’s just a debate bro, it’s no big deal

[@rrancab9782]

seth is actually meek af having to take all that literal nonsense and explain to them like kids how they're wrong

[@Sonicfan889]

@o o f It's how a debate works bro. There friends now. But you play aggressive in a debate. Thats how it works.

[@wonderboy7880]

I sense a new addiction incoming. These are insanely fun to listen to. I'm really impressed by how well you can come up with an argument while not even personally being on the side of the argument you're on. I really want to get into debating now.

[@TheDragon-v7d]

Honestly you should it’s really fun

[@izukuay]

When they said "where's the light" that's when it became a neg diff

[@KiDSZN]

so seth is saying minato can beat hashirama and madara too becuz of his speed?

[@justasinglesummon3912]

@@KiDSZN no cause they are even faster than Minato lol

[@imhappysavage5059]

@@KiDSZN No because Madara and Hashirama legit have feats that put them equivalent to, or faster than, Minato.

[@glennrhee7918]

@@KiDSZN @ U realize he literally said he's playing devils advocate.

[@aidanwilliamson9616]

Eren Vaughn n œ seth even has a video on why madara would slap minato

[@TheChadChamp]

Considering that Afro just joined in on a whim I thought he did pretty decent, not in the actual argument but in terms of debating he was calm, collected, and professional. They both still got clapped tho lmao

[@tgfs238]

Yeah for someone who doesn't debate and powerscale he did alright

[@JeffMen103]

Yeah I agree. Kabuki was the only one talking bull shit

[@four-en-tee]

Havent watched the video yet, im already excited. You know the debate's worthwhile if he bothers uploading it to PinPin.

[@Wicked061]

i have been a part of this community for awhile. And i absolutely credit afro for how he handled it.

[@user-wk9wy5qd4r]

He did okay but there was times were afro was getting to loud in the debate

[@sligen]

They couldn't wrap their minds around Seth's points wow lol.

[@br3ishe]

Kabuki was in denial

[@LetsDiscussFR]

So much denial

[@Pinpins]

hey, I wasn't expecting it either

[@DogNingenAuthor]

What happened to Broly wars?

[@GymbalPooh]

@@The-SpiceMaster I wanted to see myself get slapped again

[@thomashoughton5270]

@@GymbalPooh really you were one of the people in that video yesterday? Cool.

[@clanmcleod7811]

I understand that the kunai was rotating faster than the young raikage. but at the point of the clip which you have said in the past that killer bee became stronger only after the raikage went back to the cloud village. Killer Bee still trained and became stronger unlike the raikage. so killer bee in the clip can't be stronger than Ay.

[@exalted5203]

@@clanmcleod7811 Was there anything in the series that hinted at Young Bee being inferior to Ay? If not, it just means the power between the two grew even larger-- after Bee trained for, who knows how many years.

[@SC-ko9nk]

Tryna debate Seth but my guy Kabuki's pronouncing it "Na rude o"

[@aodoemela]

My god ikr. That was just so annoying.

[@JonTheMaven]

Meanwhile, Seth keeps mentioning some "sass-oar-ee" guy I've never heard of

[@Night_Night478]

Seth blitzed Afro and Kabuki faster then Juubidara could blitz Infant Sakura.

[@blazethehedgehog1159]

Yep

[@saul_goodman3932]

Infant sakura > 10 tails madara.

[@jasonfuentes1513]

@@saul_goodman3932 infant sakura scales to an infant Naruto and infant Naruto was just sealed with kurama and kurama kurama is over kid Naruto who beat urashiki

[@_IsseiHyoudou_]

idk bro have you read the new light novel "the fetus in the cherry blossoms" there is some pretty wacky infant sakura statements there

[@Smigglesdigy]

Okay you’re downplaying the fuck out of Seth here. He blitzed them faster than Kaguya could blitz infant Tenten

[@emastermet609]

KabukiSage: You're not proving these points Seth Everybody Except for Kabuki and Afro: 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️

[@1stNumberOne]

Idk why but when he showed the clip of minato CASUALLY flipping that kunai while raikage was moving in slow motion had me dying. Minato is fast as fuck!

[@cakeknight6269]

8:38 Afro: This man is like a tank! Seth: A god but go on.

[@Boden21]

"His kunai isn't light speed, you have no proof" 1. The scan of the databook stating that A and Bee are relative to light timers during their lariot. the Kanji translation states as much. Minato is still faster than them. 2. The show itself shows that the Kunai is rotating faster than A is moving past it.

[@LimmeLimbo]

1. Databook is a terrible reference. 2. That doesn't mean it's lightspeed. Ay isn't the deciding line in whether someone's/something's light speed just because it moves faster than it. Otherwise Naruto would've been light speed early as shit in the show

[@LetsDiscussFR]

@@LimmeLimbo 1. Databook was wrotten by author. Ur thoughts dont matter at that point. 2. By the evidence, he is lightspeed.

[@LetsDiscussFR]

@@LimmeLimbo And wats wrong with Naruto being faster than light early in the series?

[@darkflameking64]

@@LetsDiscussFR damn right

[@Dajen_Tk]

This is also a YOUNG version of Ay who went on to become stronger and FASTER. The databook is talking about Ay as Raikage not Ay here so this moment is NOT an accurate measure of his true speed.

[@flippi__3771]

I love Afro but Seth completely bodied this lmfao he just had an instant answer for everything

[@purplepirate8967]

Pretty sure Seth could win a debate for Raditz if he fought the Farmer with a Shotgun

[@Wicked061]

I got a great idea. Just stop debating seth. Theres a little something called skill through practice. And seth is nigh unfuckwithable

[@sparknazo]

Seth actually got destroy during a ben 10 vs goku debate where he didn't know ben 10 literally tank attacks beyond any dbz character and has a form that's omnipotent

[@PaRaDoXAgonY]

Because hes biased as fuck thats why i hate him.he switches facts and forces his arguement

[@thesilvershota3091]

@@sparknazo They never debated, and allien x isn't fucking omnipotent

[@sparknazo]

@@thesilvershota3091 it technically was both made mutiple video responses to each other and even talk behind close doors and seth said ailen x i didn't know could do this or could that he's not omnipotent of a godly sense but he is omnipotent beyond any dbz characters for sure

[@nel1014]

*throws multiple kunais* *akatsuki dies* Minato: I’ll do anything to protect my village

[@kidgrey42]

You should've been in the main cast Nel

[@someguy1947]

This was brutal. If I could pay for these two guys to take a debate class I would.

[@ceoofsololeveling45]

“But the kunai is not at the speed of light”

[@mylesgreen7264]

Their whole argument In a nutsuell.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

TheSherlock Whether its true or not it doesn't change the outcome of the battle which makes it even more hilarious.

[@grieverx8670]

If the kunai was lightspeed, it would create an impact equivalent to 1/4 of a nuclear bomb. Try again Seth.

[@aminbarray8634]

@@grieverx8670 Naruto is not animated by a team of scientists , this is fiction

[@grieverx8670]

@@aminbarray8634 thats not a valid argument. And btw. Seth mostly argue with science. For example that their brains synopsis isnt fast enough to react to light speed. If saying "Naruto isnt written by scientist" to my argument. You can also use it to his argument. I mean its all fiction. So maybe Narutoverse light speed is slower than sound and brains and bodies can react to actual light speed. You see arguing with "its fiction" isnt gonna make you win any argument.

[@thomashoughton5270]

Im sorry but that other dude kabuki is really misinformed and he literally doesnt realize the things hes saying. Kind of annoying tbh.

[@richsunuwar]

Seth: *Talks for 10 mins* Afro: Oh!? Of course you take that one

[@KarmaIsEternal]

When Kabuki finally accepted the fact that Minato could throw a kunai at the speed of light I was like THANK GOD! Afro was a lot more willing to listen than kabuki was. And they weren't listening to the straight up facts that were being put down(kabuki much more so than Afro), which was a bit annoying but I still had fun at the end of the day.

[@nel1014]

Kabuki is basically saying you can’t use Databook description of techniques in the debate

[@marcusfrazier4923]

Damn......Seth will get it in with *anyone* . I respect him for simply that. Hell of a debater.

[@rushpatriot2866]

Too bad he doesn't debate anymore though I understand why he wouldn't want too

[@gremmy4908]

@@rushpatriot2866 He can debate most people ik in the debating community but i think he just cant be bothered with debating anymore cus nobody can prove him wrong

[@alexdeghost2729]

@@gremmy4908 No it’s cuz Noodles tried to dox and extort him.

[@gremmy4908]

@@alexdeghost2729 oh yeah i remember that there cus seth and him debated and seth won was it i cant remember

[@lantzcranford]

seth is a fucking trash debater even low tiers i know would beat his ass

[@communitygamer117]

It was funny at first but it got damn irritating that they weren't understanding the point you were making.

[@Jacob-zd4to]

I feel so bad for Seth he has so much patience I could never handle that

[@IsThatKris]

He flipped his kunai, Teleported away, Teleported back, and thrusted downward before A character stated to be using a Light Speed attack, was able to move a minimalistic distance

[@stewie9736]

kabuki literally did not understand lmao

[@Ben-.-]

but you're wrong cause, "where's the light" 😂😂😂

[@IsThatKris]

@@Ben-.- what you just said, nine months late Keep in mind, made no sense at all.

[@Smigglesdigy]

@@IsThatKris He's making a joke by referencing the exact same counterclaim used in the video for the same point.

[@IsThatKris]

@@Smigglesdigy ngl i haven’t seen the video in 10 months and I completely forgot

[@whatifyt5329]

does pinpin scale above seth now????

[@nel1014]

whatifyt hi buddy

[@whatifyt5329]

@@nel1014 hey

[@nel1014]

Daniel Gómez I consumed too many ceros

[@stevenchouteau2901]

whatifyt yes, pinpin has better feats than Seth

[@pulsjax8003]

"How am I supposed to tell I can't see the speed of light" lmao Kabuki was so frustrated and clearly didn't know what he was in for

[@drakevoidwalker]

Everyone's gangster until Seth says "lemme show you some scans"

[@sonicmegamanzmario]

I love Afro, but like you said they shotgun a lot And it makes it disoriented. lol I can barely tell what they’re trying to argue sometimes

[@mars7239]

Actually he was shotguning the most :(

[@amariondilworth4703]

Piccolo The namek god of bitches that’s an appeal to reality fallacy

[@jbriggs06]

The fact is... they lost not because of Seth's debate skills but because they were simply less intelligent. They brought nonsense and head cannon to face facts and math. I mean at one point one of them didn't even know that lightning and light were different speeds... They both displayed a basic lack of understanding what speed actually is... it was fun but... these guys just aren't smart enough to join the conversation.

[@alkan68]

afro thought that in order to move at the speed of light, light has to literally show up and can be seen. i dont get it.

[@tetraboom2739]

Ha. "Cannon".

[@lordkars3971]

Ignorance

[@adib2219]

I think you might have a good point, however, I don't think it was a lack of intelligence, but rather a form of ignorance. They have never been in a debate before, and when you look at it that way, you can understand a small bit of where they're coming from. A debate is a heat-of-the-moment, anxiety-driven, live showing (very different from your run-of-the-mill KZbin recordings), which can seriously impact performance. Honestly, intelligence can be quantified in many ways, and I daresay that it is unquantifiable. We've seen Afro's writing before, and it is very descriptive, being much higher quality than most KZbinrs'. Your writing speaks of your verbal and speech-based, prolific intelligence. The word itself is only defined using by-the-book methods of intelligence, such as the words, actions, grades, and test scores (to name a few) said people hold under their book. It's not that they're not smart enough, I believe they were unaware and ignorant. If Afro and Seth reversed roles, what would be the outcome? I'm sure almost anyone would say Afro would take it, hypothetically. Intelligence itself is so broad and vast that mere statements, no matter how ignorant, only account for less than a thousandth of a percent of someone's intelligence. For example, Naruto is an idiot, yet he's a combat genius. The same can be said for Goku. Kobe Bryant's SAT Score was 1080 - barely above average. Yet his speech and basketball IQ make him out to be so much more, you'd have never guessed this score. A janitor could be a genius about cleaning most effectively (and yes, that exists), and could be considered a hardened veteran of one of the most humble tasks. Intelligence comes in so many forms, each of which holds equal significance. Being a math genius or getting good grades is great, but someone who is intelligent when it comes to something like dancing (for example) can capitalize on that to make more of their lives. Honestly, it's not how "intelligent" you are by the books - it's what you make your life out to be that determines your true intelligence. This us all my opinion, but it's getting a bit philosophical now! ;) Basically, Afro and Kabuki aren't really cut out for debate and are ignorant when it comes to such thing - not less intelligent, per se. One of Seth's attributes is his affinity for debating, which puts him at a higher league, or "intelligence," when it comes to that specific thing; no matter how dumb someone can sound. I really think that debate experience, not necessarily "skill," played a huge part in this. Yes, Afro and Kabuki made some random stuff up, but when you're in the heat of the moment and trying to prove another person wrong, you can't expect to not make blunders, no matter how ignorant they are. This isn't a hate comment, it's just replying to the insights shown in the first comment in the thread! Why did I do this in 2020...?

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

@@alkan68 actually yes for something with the mass of minato to move at lightspeed way more effects would be evidence of lightspeed than just light. The entire world would break around him it takes infinite power to move something speed of light

[@Gabriel-uu9tv]

Kabuki is still salty... I heard he has night Terrors screaming Seth your wrong!!!

[@resuckz3061]

nice factual name

[@Boden21]

Did these guys seriously try to debunk the idea that the kunai/Minato are light speed because they could FOLLOW THE ANIMATIONS OF THE SHOW? If anime worked like that, we (average non-KI/Chakra having people) wouldn't even be able to see ROSHI vs KID KRILLIN IN EARLY DRAGONBALL! This "debate" gave me aids!

[@LetsDiscussFR]

Its so damn stupid bro!! I love afro but DAMN

[@hido...]

If the kunai traveled at the speed of light it could reach the moon in 1.3 sec. You're telling me he threw it that fast.

[@Boden21]

@@hido... Light speed is light speed. He can throw them at light speeds but there would be some drop off. I wouldn't consider it too outlandish if he could but i doubt Minato could actually throw a kunai from the earths surface to the moon. It'd be a whole discussion on how gravity would effect the kunai, how the atmosphere would slow it down etc.

[@hido...]

Boden if we don't throw it at the moon then throw it straight on earth and it can travel across the Earth 7.5 times in a second.

[@kane3j336]

Derris the point is that he isn’t trying to hit it across the earth if he could even throw it that’s far almost rifles move faster than sound but doesn’t have enough force to go into the atmosphere

[@RedrumZombies]

Lightning is far slower than Light. Also, Itachi had the time to react. Kirin took more than a few seconds to do. The launch was lightning, not the prep.

[@machina5]

Kabuki really thought a kunai thrown by an arm moving at/at near light speed is going to travel through the air like a softball thrown by a high schooler instead of a fucking laser beam lmao Edit: "No Kirin is the speed of lightning, not the speed of light" "What's the difference?" *Holy fuck* Edit 2: "Where's the light!?" I'm crying Edit 3, 3 years later: God I was insufferable

[@alexandros735]

Minato definitely wins. 100% blood lust? With that speed? And let’s not forget the massive resengan? Lmao

[@dewiseguy6391]

And that just the speed. We're not even going to talk about how intelligent minato is

[@ziggibear1920]

Yea but in a normal scenario the Akatsuki wins. Seth says this himself but he was playing Devil's Advocate

[@10xprospect65]

Isaiah Cruickshank wtf pls tell me you’re making a joke

[@techno0suck3r]

@@ziggibear1920 to be fair he also played devils advocate because the battle is not a black and white situation. there is a valid argument for both sides being able to pull off a win

[@zeromaniac5210]

@Swiperior if sage naruto can handle them, minato should have no problem with his speed.

[@kevincahn5105]

I love Afro but he got slapped like for real gg Seth gg

[@Bigmanwaffle]

Pixl Blitz he took the L like a man kabuki was trust in denied

[@alkan68]

@@Bigmanwaffle like a man ? I want to see his reaction offstream, he is just as dumb.

[@cinesterg6444]

@@alkan68 that's legit his reaction right there dumbass. Afro was more humble imo and it was all jokes calm your ass down

[@nirwander]

My ability to rewatch this debate got extinguished after Seth got exposed for his superiority complex, just imagine how he probably felt after winning this debate, it's just sickening.

[@darkgamer23100]

We all have a little superiority complex so chill out dawg he may very well be a pedo tho

[@tajup8741]

@@darkgamer23100 i mean sure. But it's kinda weird to think that way because back in the day in discord you had to be edgy to fit in

[@sanyidupla8830]

You're weird for that

[@alexdeghost2729]

You’re such a goon

[@Kotasake]

Bruh this is like debating children

[@byuukki69]

debating dyslexc children with alzeimers

[@salem1451]

I'm sitting here with the one thing I think can be relevant. Itachi was fighting KCM Naruto whom is faster than the raikage in speed. Wouldn't that put Itachi around Minato? Update: This only puts *edo* Itachi at light speed, not alive Itachi. Because alive Itachi has not shown any feats above lightning speed, meaning he too gets blitzed.

[@VolatileViolet]

Seth clarified that Edo Itachi is healthier than Itachi when he was alive because of his illness, and that KCM Naruto was very fatigued during their fight.

[@salem1451]

Malus Why was he fatigued? Wasn't this the first fight he did in the war?

[@VolatileViolet]

That was in Seth's words, so I can't verify. I'm only restating what he said.

[@yomicry-ed3697]

@@VolatileViolet nah naruto wasn't fatigued at all

[@VolatileViolet]

@@yomicry-ed3697 Hmm. I wanna see someone bring that up to Seth, then. That'd be interesting.

[@yaghyadavids5550]

Is it just me, or does people who debate with Seth forget the show? Cause for every question he poses there's always an answer.

[@Picmanreborn]

33:40 was the funniest shit I've ever seen "what you think he had it levitating there!?" LMFAO

[@dannymurray2807]

This was embarrassing no joke. Seth you have the patience of a saint to deal with this level of rudeness and idiocy.

[@shadicperez]

"I watch the manga and read the anime" 😂

[@a2-_fg]

😂😂😂

[@d_xbombk]

Lmao

[@TheSaintsKinge]

Seth is right. Minato’s kunei’s when he is serious is going faster than the speed of light.

[@williamsheppard2026]

Seth is so nice when he’s not being screamed at.

[@vicc6790]

Dudes don't get relativity if the Raikage is moving at the speed of light and he appears almost frozen Minato is moving orders of magnitude faster than him, like waaaay past light speed. The fight scenes displayed on screen between characters like this are like millions(in some cases billions or trillions) of times slower than real time at least. Seth could have explained that better but unless someone fundamentally grasps relativity it will be a hard point to get across.

[@minegamerpro1308]

Bee's tentacle was hundred times faster then minato in that feat btw

[@kenyattafrazier]

@@minegamerpro1308 exactly. And if Bee can move that fast, there are a number of characters that scale relative to him and can react to him, some of them you can make the argument that Itachi or other members of the akatsuki are also relative to. Meaning they can react to light speed+ attacks as well and that destroys Seth’s whole argument. These dudes were too stupid to realize that. Well excuse me, they weren’t well versed enough with either debating in general or the Naruto series, rather than just being stupid. Kabuki is a bit slow though

[@Kimura1313]

@@kenyattafrazier literally could just reference Itachi fighting Naruto and among EMS Sasuke and they would’ve won.

[@revenantronin8377]

@@kenyattafrazier the reply above you stated "in that feat". Minato was doing all that casually, while as is very evident, Bee used ALL he had to save his brother. This is backed by the fact that he was breathing heavily, clearly out of breath from a single motion in an instant. Trying to make him out to be consistently many times faster than light is disingenuous at best. Other times we saw Bee fight, he was always holding back until Obito pulled up. So, to suggest that characters like Kisame or Sasuke were light speed simply because they fought base Bee(who wasn't trying much), and directly measuring them up to a feat that Bee pulled off with all he had while emotionally amped doesn't hold up. Remember, Bee has the 8 tails in his head, IF the 8 tails predicted the Raikage's defeat the moment Minato casually flicked his kunai, then it's safe to say that Bee likely started moving even before Minato bounced back from the tree which further amps his reach on top of the tentacle naturally having the reach advantage. Hell, it could have been a case where the Tentacle moved reflexively instead of Bee doing it himself, this is not farfetched to think about either, we've seen the nine tails and 1 tail do the same thing with their much weaker hosts. The point here being, of course the bijou are at full power at all times, it's up to the Jinchuriki to tap into that power and use it, so Bee being 100 times faster than Minato's finisher in that moment doesn't matter because that's not his base (there's a clear amp), and the other characters who scale to his base can't escape that 100x light speed tentacle slam but Minato could, which also means that Minato's reaction speed as well as his midair recovery speeds were faster than the tentacle. You can't just point out Bee's speed exceeding Minato while midair, and ignore the fact that after that 100x feat Minato STILL dodged it (quite casually too)... the hesitation in Minato's finisher was him sensing Bee's attack and then following up with an evade, further proving how high his spacial awareness also is for a 1 V Many- match up. There are other ways to quantify light speed feats for some of the Akatsuki, but this Bee argument wouldn't hold up because of how inconsistent, situational and nuanced it is when compared to Minato who does that casually.

[@m.caeben2578]

M.Caeben 0 seconds ago Long text. But Minato did not see tail. He literally got surprised he cut through something different than A. What do you mean breathing heavily. Did you see the gasps, gasps? he only had a drop of sweat. So at the end of the day, it holds that by the nonsense calculations, B’s tail attack is faster than Minato’s speed to cut away at A. In terms of consistency, this flashback is nonsense worthwhile of filler. B would have an attack faster than that which A used, which is inconsistent to B always being slower than A. Unless you claim A could have gone faster, implying he did not go his fastest at the surprise attack. This is what happens with lousy pixel measurements.

[@Lore-gt5rh]

Who's here after the swag and six vs afro and kabuki debate

[@justanaverageenjoyer8494]

Ye came here to listen to more of kabuki's dumbassery

[@Lore-gt5rh]

@@justanaverageenjoyer8494 same lmao

[@umbralowl]

They literally disregarded Minato flipping the kunai past the raikage during his lightning straight attack, threw it faster than the raikage could even attack him smh

[@terynmallory9764]

Time is clearly slowed down, that’s why the raikage is moving so slow. So if time is really that much slower and the kunai travels behind his back before that punch touches minatos face. That is literally relative to the speed of light.

[@dungeon-wn4gw]

It's really cool to me when someone admits they are wrong and joins the other side rather than being too attatched to their ideas. Good on Afro. I definitely haven't heard Minato argued that way, and I'm actually starting to think Minato > Tobirama, when before this video I was sitting at Tobirama = Minato. Tobirama did react to Juubito, but idk how Juubito's speed compares to Might Guy. Maybe if Seth sees this comment, he can be nice enough to clarify, but I understand if you don't want to Seth.

[@venutian178]

If you're talking about 8th Gate Guy, Juubito isn't faster. But anything below that, Juubito is faster (You probably know that tho)

[@dungeon-wn4gw]

@@venutian178 I've decided to take the stance that the Tobirama reacting to Juubito wasn't a speed feat, rather it's an intelligence feat. KCM Minato was suprised by how fast of a THINKER Tobirama was right after, and I think he was smart enough to ANTICIPATE an attack as fast as Juubito, not actually fast enough to dodge. (He might be able to dodge, because he needed to touch Juubito to mark him and such, but it's the best thing I can come up with). Right after Juubito tagged Hashirama and Tobirama. Tobi instantly revealed that he had a plan set in motion. So yeah. Tbh I feel like Tobirama is fucking leagues ahead of Minato in terms of intelligence. His intelligence feats should put him around Madara level intelligence. I know it sound weird, but Tobirama was even able to keep up with Madara and exchange witty dialogue with Madara after their scuffle that's not my only reason either lmao. That's just a small detail though.

[@ganstarcj]

@@dungeon-wn4gw i know its a late reply but stating that Tobirama reacted to Juubito simply because he is ""intelligent"" is just a downplay argument made by seth and Swakage in order to downplay Tobirama. Tobirama tagged Juubito a total of 5 times on panel and FTG marked him. He did that so fast that neither Kcm minato/ naruto noticed and he even had to blatantly explain to them( when he saved them) that he had Marked juubito previously. You can't do such an insane feat just by being intelligent. Tobiramas reaction speed and cqcs is simply fucking insane and imo puts him waay above Base Minato.( he couldn't even react to Tobiramas movements with kcm so how the hell will he in base lol)

[@momotheone9700]

Wtf what makes you guys think tobirama is more intelligent than minato by such a long distance that makes no sense at all. First of all Minato was in a daze during the war it's stated, he felt responsible for all that's going on, after all it's his student that did it all, tobirama never had such quams and so was battle ready, and with the paperbombs,he could only do that because he himself was Edo tensei, it's a very good feat,but to use it to say he's massively smarter than minato is stupid and wrong. Tobirama is basically a more grown and mature minato. He has no emotional baggage with Obito like minato does, so of course minato is not gonna be on top of his game compared to tobirama, and what is this about minato not being able to react like tobirama when he showed multiple times he can react to faster things than Tobirama example Madara and eight gate guy, plus he was keeping up with tobirama example when they switch places with naruto and sasuke so they could hit Obito with the enton rasenshuriken what the f*** are you talking about when tobirama got blitz by destabilized Obito after he was planning already planning to use the tags, or when he couldn't react to rinnegan Madara even with teleportation, tell me or stop talking crap.

[@dungeon-wn4gw]

@@momotheone9700 Lol you're so goddamn pressed for no reason.

[@rofl_waffl]

Bruh reading Afro's comments got me laughing so hard. Here are some goldies although some are probably satire: "The war is filler, which war even" "HE DIDN'T HAVE ARMS" "idc who minato beats in the akatsuki BUT HE AINT TOUCHING ITACHI" "Minato claps them all EXCEPT obito"

[@Lightkhj]

Eren Vaughn it may not look like it due to how much humans are completely outplayed in the series, but krillin, tien, and Yamcha are FTL

[@damarcusmills2971]

@@Lightkhj Nearly everyone thats relevant in Db is FTL.

[@deepkaranbrar717]

"Were's the light"

[@aarongreen39]

"I'm asking piccolo what the hand signs are." Dead lol

[@SumThingFawful]

Straight after no nut November Pinpin hits you with the heavy stuff. Pinpin would destroy Seth, get that guy in a call Pinpin.

[@SumThingFawful]

@Mr. Green I don't man. How come Seth and Pinpin are never in the same place at the same time? They may sound the same but I assure you, they are 2 different beings.

[@omrgazeck3733]

they are one in the same dude

[@omrgazeck3733]

seth = pinpin

[@SumThingFawful]

@@omrgazeck3733 Na man, you got some scans to back up this point? If not it's just head cannon.

[@salem1451]

omrga zeck Wooosh lmao

[@bipolarsl0th558]

This is the equivalent of an adult trying to talk to two toddlers who continue repeating “but why”. This was so painful to watch. At 52min I had to call it quits. God bless Seths patience with this shit. Speed of light and speed of lighting...”what’s the difference” 😂😂😂

[@bofi1280]

50:31 "Bruh, how am I supposed to tell? I can't see the speed of light!" Bruh I was cryin. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kovin_OA]

Why was that kunai moving faster than the raikage moving forward.

[@jakeles100]

Kovin Outha Aphay thank you

[@mars7239]

Because it's light speed

[@phantomface9211]

Lol but why is the kunai light speed tho? Why does minato need to teleport if he can already move at the speed of light.

[@itsyaboi8645]

I mean if minato can throw the kunai at lightspeed he could just oneshot everyone by throwing it at their heads because they wouldnt be able to react.

[@phantomface9211]

So if killer be can also move at light speed and itachi can react to his movements and fight him as well as fight kcm1 naruto then how is it a stretch to say he could react to minato?

[@zennyfrommoga]

The amount my blood pressure spiked when they were continually shotgunning Seth had me on the brink of fucking hospitalization. Jesus, I can only imagine how Seth felt wouldn't they couldn't grasp the concepts of scaling and wouldn't even let him speak after stacking multiple points on him to debunk.

[@rushpatriot2866]

It got even worse for me when everytime Seth would try to explain a point that ago was asking afro would be like "wait what about this other point that I made." It's exactly why shotgunning isn't good.

[@roleiosports3695]

Had to come back to this classic after Swag and Six vs them. Lmfao!

[@krao10]

had to do the same lmao

[@bluknight8697]

Kabuki can’t debate for shit

[@gintokithetrollgod]

Didn't naruto do the same thing as minato but with his actual speed dodging the raikage and edo itachi was relative to that naruto meaning that itachi could react to minato.

[@gintokithetrollgod]

This comment was before Seth say the same thing I just said

[@mylesgreen7264]

@@gintokithetrollgod lol

[@mars7239]

They weren't talking about Edo

[@kevdaddy7256]

Reanimated itachi Seth already debated that😂

[@PandainAtlanta]

That’s edo Itachi who isn’t sick

[@maxhughesgray2591]

I came here after the Swagkage vs Kabuki Debate, he did not disappoint lmao

[@johnothanarenot2695]

I thought I had seen the worst of it in that swag debate. I was as wrong as kabuki

[@alvanimercado7474]

When he said "when Itachi fought Sasuke..." I was like "Kirin? Yeah he's gonna say kirin *sigh* smh"

[@OldManLuffy]

It's a debate between seth a Naruto god and a guy who may have watched Naruto once

[@kayciex6899]

Wait why does Afro think Izanami would work on Minato who had no inner qualms before he was brought back by Edo?

[@HopeEsthiem15]

Bruh this type of stomp on 2 ppl is unheard of

[@FlamesofFate7]

What happened to the Broly Video

[@user-om2lr9xm5k]

It got struck down or something like that.

[@FlamesofFate7]

@@user-om2lr9xm5k Damn

[@xmenrock2000]

@@user-om2lr9xm5k it didn't he took it down

[@siirgeatz613]

Throughout the entire debate, Kabuki was arguing from incredulity

[@sonicandshadowsjunction]

I also love that they're debating Minato slapping Akatsuki (even if it's a fat juul stretch for alive Minato)

[@omrgazeck3733]

no it's not Minato stomps

[@sonicandshadowsjunction]

I t ' s a f a t j u u l s t r e t c h

[@omrgazeck3733]

@@sonicandshadowsjunction is that suppose to mean something to me

[@sonicandshadowsjunction]

I never said it was supposed to mean anything to you. It's just my opinion.

[@omrgazeck3733]

@@sonicandshadowsjunction which is wrong

[@10xprospect65]

“Why can’t that be a feat for Killer Bee?” “...”

[@kamuishortsgamer3728]

6:01 I just want to clarify after 5 years later that this is now how distance works. Reacting to something from point blank range is considered being able to react exactly at the speed of the thing that's coming at you. Or atleast, covering a certain distance relative to the thing approaching you would make you AT BEST the speed of that thing. For example: If an attack crosses 1 inch at the same speed lightning would, and you dodge it point blank and cross 1 inch to the right at the same time it goes 1 more inch ahead from where you dodged it at, you're moving at the speed of lightning exactly. To react to it POINT BLANK and be considered "Massively faster than it" would mean that you'd have to be caught off guard by something and have reacted in the nick of time AFTER you were at disadvantage. This is for all future debaters who read this and want to calculate speed.

[@enkiimuto1041]

"Just saying I'm wrong doesn't prove me wrong" is basically how talking with this Kabuki guy works

[@insert_name_here4346]

I hate the pixel calc. To me at least, that was clearly a writing choice of “ooh look fast boiz” and not a literal version of “two thousands times faster than light crazy blitzes everyone”

[@minegamerpro1308]

Yeah right, kishimoto only draw the manga, there is no pixel scaling in the manga

[@briian.x]

I noticed whenever Kabuki gets caught and not able to answer, he tends to play dumb or say “why are you mad”

[@darkshiloh]

TFW you have been blessed to talk from the naru-gods(This post was made by Seth-Gang)

[@mylesgreen7264]

This was a stomp. I'm so suprised that no one mentioned that obito,pain,kisame and itachi should be relative speed to minato since kisame when weakened held his own against 7th gate guy and pain along with obito fought sage and kcm1 naruto (plus bee for obito) respectively. This along with how cm 2 sasuke got slapped by a suppressed itachi since it was base sharingan sasuke who dodged the elbow bolt from Ay and you have a fine argument for the higher level akatsuki being able to react to minato. This debate was cool tho nice vid.

[@justasinglesummon3912]

How does pain have speed relative to Minato? Also kisame was in the water against gai and he can't just do that against blood lusted Minato. Itachi definetly does not have that speed. The only thing i could imagine is Itachi being able to activate susano since he could do it and react way outta Chakra and half dead against Sasukes kirin attack

[@Theonefrombeyon]

@@justasinglesummon3912 minato isn't light speed lmao don't let what Seth say fool u. No one in Naruto is light speed. Itachi and obitl fought a faster naruto. Obito also fought minato when he was younger so how does they all die and can't see him? Obito is apart of akatsuki. Also bee was able to react and protect raikage which means everyone would have to be light speed in Naruto bc bee isn't that fast lmao.

[@justasinglesummon3912]

@@Theonefrombeyon how is no one light speed In Naruto when the guides litteraly state that the raikage is light speed?

[@justasinglesummon3912]

@@Theonefrombeyon also bee is light speed, he's actually faster than the raikage. When obito fought him obito took Naruto hostage lol so that also doesn't really count. Edit: I mean when obito fought Minato.

[@LetsDiscussFR]

Yeah really just kisame. Thats it. And kisame is arguably the strongest akatsuki in terms of raw stats. Maybe even stronger than pain

[@sushinkiren1389]

*Minato flips a kunai at light speed and perform 2 consecutive flying raijins while the Raikage moves 1 pixel* Kabuki: Well, you see

[@JBurnz001]

Kabuki is buggin .. you know somebody doesn’t have a counter or an arguement when you have to focus on somebody else’s point for 20 plus minutes

[@Smigglesdigy]

Absolute fact: The Akatsuki are considered Bijuu level, while Minato with 0 chakra body blocked the most powerful bijuu after literally teleporting his giga bomb away

[@SlimShadly]

Exactly, minato literally stomps in a second it just isn’t fair. He’s levels above Sage Naruto. Sage Minato would be absolutely insane

[@Smigglesdigy]

@@SlimShadly People seem to love underestimating speed a lot. It's common in a lot of debates for Naruto, people just refuse to acknowledge the idea that there's a massive speed difference between anyone (for some reason arguing that someone is even light speed let alone faster is contentious with a lot of people). So the idea that someone could be light speed or faster and that makes them able to perception blitz people that are like lightning speed is just too much for them to handle.

[@GeorgeMMA]

just a question - and im not disputing that minato stomps the akatsuki, and ive seen you deal with that madara stan in the comments before. would it not just come down to obito vs minato? as minato is in base, and that obito was relatice to minato with the winner being one whos a "split second faster" to say minato just blitzes obito, especially orange mask adult obito, who we saw could easily react to raikage and is compared to kcm naruto, who minato also is, would it not be a more difficult fight for minato?

[@SlimShadly]

@@GeorgeMMA minato was easily reacting to the raikage also. It would’ve been the same thing if it came down to it, minato figures him out again and stomps

[@SlimShadly]

@@Smigglesdigy 100%

[@lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921]

2 mminutes in and i already know this is gold

[@tazzmanianbrunebear2219]

It’s crazy that they were arguing that bee was able to push minato but you can see bee is ACTUALLY out of breath just moving at minatos speed and minatos just like woah that was kinda quick “seal” in the same instance that he split bees tentacle

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

Saying Minato is fast doesn't prove he would beat the entire akatsuki, he prob cant even beat obito in a rematch