Gohan Beast VS Black Frieza

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[@domagojmartinovic9491]

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[@Mano]

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[@iCryte]

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[@SSJBlueVegito]

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[@bestinterest8848]

Xeno Goku video scale when?

[@reidlindsey4838]

My reasoning for why Gohan transformed in the movie is that the stakes were different. In the moro arc, they all knew Goku and Vegeta were coming to fight Moro. In the movie, Piccolo kept pushing the message that Gohan was the only one who could win this and that nobody was coming to save him.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

Unless Goku suddenly lost the ability to teleport, that message doesn't even make sense.

[@origon4477]

@@Xero_Kaiser Goku was preoccupied and they couldn't get ahold of whis like they always do what lmao

[@IRODGERTHAT]

@@Xero_Kaiser bro they literally didn’t get the message lol they were called

[@dankscarce]

@@IRODGERTHAT Wouldn't they sense his power level though?? I know in the anime, Goku was able to sense Kid Trunks's full power during the Future arc. Unless the only excuse Goku has is that he was "extremely tired" or "too focused" on the battle is a dumb reason

[@izimari]

@@Xero_Kaiser Buddy, Goku isn't omniscient. The message through Whis' staff didn't reach them, there was no way for him to know anyone was in danger or what was going on.

[@HelenaSan425]

"plot incarnate the definition of good genes" that's the best description on Gohan and Frieza lol

[@jonathandominguez2273]

Correct. The amount of plot those 2 have is so annoying lol

[@MotherLover1984]

@@jonathandominguez2273 Gohan surpassed Goku with no training when he was only 4 The plot has always been on his side, it is not new

[@BigEvan96]

It was indicated early on that half Saiyan half human hybrids are much stronger than full blooded Saiyan's. Think stronger than Broly. Gohan is destined to surpass Goku.

[@flamelover1746]

For real, what was ChiChi eating when she had Gohan?

[@johnman8398]

​@@MotherLover1984 To add to this in the cell saga he went from fodder to stronger than EVERYONE pre ssj2 in 1 year.

[@Oblivion420]

Gohan one shotting Frieza in that movie has been one of my favorite moments to this day. Frieza was such a menace and seeing Gohan come that far to the point he casually one shot him with a gut punch is still so badass lol

[@spicylemon6255]

Videl hyping him on while Gohan flexed with his poses after he one shotted Frieza was so cute too lmao

[@Violent_Wolfen]

Wasn't that Frieza fake though?

[@darkbiddy511]

@@Violent_Wolfen nope, that Frieza was real because everyone had been revived from hell

[@Oblivion420]

@@Violent_Wolfen No that was Frieza who broke out of Hell in Fusion Reborn

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@Oblivion420 Oh okay, I know there was one with a fake Frieza, but obviously I got the wrong one. Plus, I hadn't seen Fusion Reborn in years, thanks though.

[@l.a9711]

There’s a reason why we’ve never seen beerus at full power. They are secretly keeping beerus out of any conflict because there will come a point where he goes all out. I don’t believe anyone up to this point ic even close to beating beerus at 100% he seems to be too relaxed even after seen everyone get stronger and stronger he still just waves it off and goes to sleep lol.

[@ngachuyen1934]

Manga characters are just weaklings tbh

[@WaveForceful]

Beerus will eventually have to take an L though.

[@l.a9711]

@@WaveForceful eventually is not anytime soon brotha, as of now I still believe no mortal is even closeeee to his true power. Like I said theres a clear reason why he’s stayed out of every single conflict the only times he’s gotten involved was with zamazu but only because he tried to kill a Kai but other than that he doesn’t view any mortal as a threat. Even black frieza who one shot goku and vegeta would get bodied by beerus it’s not even close but that’s just me.

[@jaroperera3428]

I agree with this. I kinda don’t like Seth’s takes on scaling. He takes every line or statement so literally yet I just don’t see anyone coming close to whis/berus power rn

[@WaveForceful]

@@jaroperera3428 I also cannot see Freiza defeating a current Gogeta either. Gogeta is a fused character. You only need to look at how much of a power boost Goten and Trunks got to understand how astronomical a power boost fusion is.

[@MentaAzul]

Gohan Beast looks unstoppable in the movie, as he casually pushes Cell's fist away like he's made of paper after saying "okay then, now it's my turn" and with a single blow he crashes him on the ground. And then we have Black Frieza who one shotted TUI Goku and UE Vegeta, after one shotting Gas... Idk, this is hard

[@lapplandkun9273]

Because neither are comparable with that statement to each other? Beast gohan is claimed by toriyama to surpass goku and vegeta and frieza one shots both goku and vegeta. That doesn't make them equal at all. It isn't stated how far ahead beast gohan actually is compared to goku or vegeta and there are circumstantial and outlying factors regarding frieza one shotting both goku and vegeta. Like, both of them might actually be fatigued because both went through the meat grinder that was granolah and later gas, which actually would have made frieza's victory less impactful. Congrats, you beat up two handicapped people. You guys speculate and decide far too early on such little information. How about waiting until the series continues before making a judgment based on little evidence or information?

[@LaserBungalow]

@@lapplandkun9273 Yeah. But it's fun to speculate.

[@JJ19180]

@@lapplandkun9273 If I remember correctly, didn’t goku and vegeta both get their strength restored shortly before getting one shotted by Frieza?

[@user-dn3fn3bg4l]

MUI Goku > Tui Goku. Tui Goku is basically just a glorfied Ui Omen. Ppl don't understand what TUI is. Mui is still pinnical.

[@mohitnair2541]

@@lapplandkun9273 Goku and Vegeta were fully healed by Monaito and weren’t that damaged by Gas. Plus Frieza also oneshotted Gas who is stronger than Goku and Vegeta

[@AkaiKnight]

I’d like to note that Frieza never said his training was complete. The only reason he appeared was because he was called there by Elec. The implication to me is that Freiza is still training even now.

[@mohitnair2541]

That’s a good point, maybe Gohan surpassed Granolah arc Black Frieza which is why he’s called the strongest warrior. But since then Frieza has been training and is currently still stronger.

[@orions2908]

@@mohitnair2541 can't be, the movie takes place a few years after the manga, it's close to the end of z

[@SoullessKuriboh]

@@orions2908 the manga and the movie are different continuities. super hero is a direct sequel to broly. its not manga canon just like how while broly is canon the events of the movie could be vastly different from the manga because we only have one panel in the manga with broly in it and broly isnt mentioned again afterwards

[@gustavoxalocan4143]

@@SoullessKuriboh Broly is actually mentioned in the Moro arc in the very beginning. Goku tells Merus how they fought a Saiyan way stronger than them and they had to fuse to beat him.

[@vainrover117]

@@SoullessKuriboh Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero movie takes place after Granolah arc. (After first appearance of Black Frieza).

[@matti.8465]

Frieza seems to respect Gohan a lot, as shown by their interactions in the TOP. Maybe seeing him grow up from a scared kid into a powerful warrior gave Frieza a twisted feeling of pride. Or maybe he's just impressed by the massive gains Gohan attained since their last encounter.

[@oz88og40]

I respect your statement

[@padraig-bobotia-maria5176]

thats only in the anime, which is fan made.

[@z.incognito6259]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 what?…

[@hunnidshottas1808]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 how is the anime fan made bro?

[@yesmeme3995]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 how many copium did u consumed

[@CastorGaming]

Ultimately, it boils down to who has the greater "killer instinct". Most of the fights we see in Dragon Ball are fairly one-sided struggles, but when there's true equality, it always comes down to who has more desire to kill. There are precious few people in all of universe 7 that have more of a killer instinct than Frieza ... except when Gohan snaps.

[@untilltheendya8425]

Idk what u mean we all know black frieza would snap current gohan in half

[@canontheory]

@@untilltheendya8425 nah id be willing to bet black Frieza wouldn’t wreck final Gohan

[@untilltheendya8425]

@@canontheory lmao gohan fanboy with no brain but aight

[@ChristianBalaclava]

@@untilltheendya8425 whis said somewhere else in the universe and gohan is said to be stronger than goku and vegeta so no

[@untilltheendya8425]

Yall delusional gohan fanboys uf next thing some dumbass gonna say he stonger than beerus 😂

[@sunnyraoul]

I have a feeling that Beerus is way stronger than we think he is I just have this gut feeling that Beerus is hiding something that none of us expect him to have It could be anything, like a transformation, a power up boost, a skill that is insanely strong, or simply Beerus holding back the entire time

[@lancetheking7524]

Beerus secretly transforms into an angel

[@chase7662]

Black freeza is not stronger than beerus it just doesn’t make sense lol we’ve never seen him fight all out

[@bigbywolf5031]

Beerus was retconned post top, in cannon we only saw 3% of his power

[@krulak292]

I don't know, During the Tournament arc Beerus stood up for Goku, once he reached MUI. And he looked visibly scared. I doubt he would fake everything. I think Goku and Vegeta are in the Angel realms of power already

[@jonahbrown5669]

@@krulak292 didn't beerus look scared when goku when blue kaio ken?

[@Th3Sandwich]

I think Gohan hasn't gotten a like genuine rage boost since Cell (Cell Saga). Like he hasn't been pushed through that emotional barrier in a long time which is how I think he got his beast mode.

[@mewdx4339]

I think In the TOP when Jiren forces the spirit bomb back at Goku and looked like he died I think Gohan was about to get a rage boost but then goku comes back and he calms down

[@ekayn1606]

Are we forgetting what Buu did to this man's family? Gohan said "I'm not here to fight you, I'm here to kill you" that's the type of rage that has gone so far you look calm.

[@Friendly_G]

@@mewdx4339 tagged honestly could've been a Gohan moment

[@kaehiway]

@@Friendly_G but would we really get vegito if that did happen

[@LuminesDragon]

Ya i don't think Beerus or any of the other gods are just sleeping anymore, if anything they probably have stepped up their own training. I think if anything the next arc might not have any direct confrontation but frieza using proxys to bait fight's with the gods of destruction to see how strong they really are.

[@cbrg870]

That'd be dope af

[@daedae2500]

Sadly he would mop the floor with them all besides quitela and beerus and belmod would get smack too since jiren is stronger then him stated by him and toppo himself in the manga that’s why he though jiren could never be defeated

[@windghost2]

I hope they're training due to the TOP, since Goku literally surpassed all of them.

[@ohblivian]

@@daedae2500 jiren was stated to be stronger than the GOD's in the anime only i believe, beerus in the manga is a completely different beast

[@LuminesDragon]

@@windghost2 This.

[@LostEnding_]

I find it crazy how everyone on beerus’s planet couldn’t sense this battle happening.

[@PlayNudge]

orange piccolo one shot gamma 2, so until that point everyone probably thought "eh they got this" only the small window between cell max fighting everyone was a bit doubtful but the fight was prolly like 3 mins in real time, so by the time they realized gohan went beast mode

[@kindplanet1]

@@PlayNudge Goku literally senses Ki across planets. Since he lived on Earth he can easily sense the Ki of Piccolo and Gohan increase a large amount.

[@dankerbell]

because goku and vegeta were fighting each other and everyone else was either asleep or focused on the battle, and considering how short the events were, even if they were watching out for whatever reason, they could probably tell it ended up being okay

[@manoking9619]

I actually didn’t think into Gas’s “curse” as such. When Elec calls the wish a curse a assumed it was a figure of speech explaining that Gas’s desire to win was so strong that he forced himself to keep going and it was that determination that kept him from being overcome. I actually prefer your interpretation that the wish was actively reacting to the events of the universe and artificially raised Gas’s power. And it makes sense seeing as Gas out of nowhere first ages like crazy once he gets surpassed by Vegeta. It really emphasizes Freeza’s new power: he’s so strong that a literal lifetime of training was not enough for Gas to beat him. Now that’s a statement

[@mr.anonymous123]

Wouldn't Granolah also age like crazy too seeing as he also made the same wish as Elec.

[@kwewee]

@@mr.anonymous123 Gronala was aging as well, it was implied as well when it was said by him that he had only 3 years left to live. It’s just his physical appearance may not change

[@alunter]

@@kwewee He did not aged, he lost his lifespan. At least i think But even if i'm wrong and he really aged, he should have become a zombie-like too just like Gas

[@MonsterHunterPV]

Gas wasn't surpassed by Vegeta lol

[@manoking9619]

@@MonsterHunterPV just reread chapter 85. You’re right, Vegeta was gaining on him but passed out right before he could get the upper hand. Goku was actually the one who surpassed him and made him age

[@SHEANGOMES]

Frieza fought in a tournament that let him see all the strongest people in their verse, there is no way he stepped out the time chamber without thinking he can 1v9

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Technically 1v10. He has to have planned for Gogeta and Broly

[@ivan_d_feets4495]

@@TheUncivilizedNation yikes that’s scary tbh…idk how current manga goku and vegeta compare to broly movie gogeta but to think that gogeta would even be on Friezas range is scary to me

[@AFF_NYC]

@@ivan_d_feets4495 never forget about plot armor, most likely any outcome to a battle with goku will result in goku coming out on top.

[@Invictus-Solaris]

@@AFF_NYC if anyone has more plot than Goku on his side, it’s Gohan. All this “potential” bs literally has people believing that Gohan solos everyone. And the “if he trains” people think he’d be on the level of the Angels. Lol

[@animatedmvs8818]

@@AFF_NYC bruh, Jiren came out on top against Goku, Same with Granolah, Gas, Beerus, Fused Zamasu. All of them took out Goku. How does Goku come out on top when he can't even finish any of the main opponents on his own?

[@AsianEyes007]

I think it’s interesting that Frieza probably doesn’t even care about killing and fighting Goku and Vegeta anymore. It seems he only wants them to acknowledge that they can’t do shit to him now, and he can do whatever he pleases in the universe now (as a flex in a way). And as long as it stays that way, he’s content with them existing now that no one can interfere with his universal dominance and control.

[@Chrisp707-]

Let’s be honest. It won’t be that way for long. The next time they face him they’ll probably wipe the floor with him because plot and sayians lol

[@fg009letyrds8]

@@Chrisp707- then Freeza has the motivation to train even more, restarting the Cycle. There's probably a reason why Freeza didn't kill the 2 when he had the chance, and probably wanted them to be used as a means to motivate himself to not be complacent anymore like he was before he was defeated by Goku in the Namek Arc.

[@ttravis10]

Facts. Goku beating Frieza on namek is the main reason why Frieza cares enough to improve himself. So now with him AND Vegeta reaching the godly tier he has no choice but to get stronger and with Broly now too? And the always looming threat of Gohan’s rage. He won’t kill them because he needs them to keep him on his p’s and q’s.

[@rockafeller3734]

@@ttravis10 nah its def was him getting shited on by trunks goku he atleast put up a fight and the movie and manga showed why freiza didnt rush goku again since he heard about him fighting majin buu and beerus.

[@GoProGamer447]

This is why I love the dragon ball community, awesome talks on who people think can win in a fight, or coolest transformations freaking love this community man, DB fan for life.

[@mirkopirrotta0157]

Theory: When Vegeta was asking to Whis if the strongest warrior of the universe the oracol fish was referring to was Freeza, Whis said: “Perhaps it is, or Perhaps it is born somewhere else in our universe”. That being said, there are few clues that the Warrior the Fish was referring to IS Gohan Beast. 1) Freeza wasn’t part of that universe like he said. 2) It was no Gas or Granola, either Goku or vegeta. 2.5) Super Hero is happening WAYYY After the granola arc, just look at Pan age and trunks and Goten. Gohan unlocks a power beyond everyone in a time where BLACK Freeza ALREADY exists for YEARS NOW 3) excluding Broly we only have left few options, and looking at it they put DBS super hero AFTER The Granola arc for a reason, probably because they had already in mind to make Gohan the strongest. I came to a conclusion we’re going in a direction where Gohan will fight Freeza and they are equally strong. It wouldn’t have sense for them to make an establishment where “Gohan is the strongest of them all” and the super hero is “after the granola arc” just to make his movie and then making him weaker than Black Freeza. Just no way. In my opinion Gohan IS the strongest in the universe, we have to understand if Freeza is aware of that because he clearly said “he is not interested in Goku and Vegeta ATM”.

[@Ttzc788]

HOLY SHIT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!!!

[@Pack52022]

As someone who thinks black Frieza wins but knows there's tons of arguments for Gohan, I actually think this was really well detailed you sir know what you talking about indeed. Sort of changed my perspective a bit here.

[@mando7323]

Brain dead logic 💀

[@justinwhaley1288]

That last paragraph really got my interest

[@THUKUNA.........C]

is that before the gas fight if so then its maybe refirng to gas

[@manlikedaniel416]

Goku and Vegeta: "finally we can say that our training has payed off and we are the strongest. Black freiza: " ahh so you have chosen....... death" Proceeds to one shot both of them in their strongest forms.

[@marlom7882]

That’s kind of why I don’t like it. Frieza came in and defeated 2 warriors with god ki. I know he did it before but golden frieza had flaws in it that was mastered in ssj blue. And Jiren was never explained how tf he got that strong. I know it’s essentially: newest character/form=strongest but why enter all that lore if it just means new=stronger?

[@kingcole490]

Corny ahh

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

@@marlom7882 the biggest issue is the assumption that someone with god ki will automatically be far superior to everyone else but people like jiren, broly, and frieza are examples that it's not needed. God ki is simply just the king the gods use. It doesn't mean a mortal can't surpass it in their own way. Otherwise the moment Goku first goes SSG he should be above everyone who didn't also obtain god ki.

[@BOoodaAh]

@@marlom7882 all the kais use god ki and besides grand supreme kai none of them could even stand up to ssj3 which is goku's strongest form without god ki.

[@marlom7882]

@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy if that’s the case why introduce god ki in the first place and introduce those sets of gods as the strongest in the universe? If mortals can just brute force their way past their power than goku and vegeta had equal chances trying to get new forms without becoming “gods”. Hell they had better chances if ssj 4 was canon

[@matti.8465]

It'd be REALLY interesting if Frieza's main goal now is to surpass the gods and expand his empire on a multiversal scale, and he's keeping Goku and Vegeta alive because they're his key to getting the necessary power. I love how pragmatic Frieza has become since being revived. He's huble and mature enough to accept he's no longer the top dog, he needs to actually work if he's hoping to survive in this new chaotic universe.

[@windghost2]

That sounds like a really cool arc.

[@raychy2059]

This sounds like an over-drawn, boring fan-fic reminiscent of that Merno garbage. Frieza as a super-villain is boring. Bring someone else, NEXT.

[@Its_KayBee]

@@raychy2059 I like Frieza. Most people do, plus you'll still get other villians

[@Its_KayBee]

I like the idea btw

[@SpongeMann]

So a multiversal war

[@Jeff_2x]

I LOVE the balance of Gohan's character now since he’s balancing his personal life with training instead of just not training at all.

[@terrellsm2522]

Lets be honest. Hes still not gonna train like every other time

[@randomanimelover4543]

@@terrellsm2522 yeah but like as explained gohan can train like for 2+hours and gain a lot of power immidetly

[@animeneet1604]

That is something that should have happened after the Buu arc.

[@JDarkAngeI]

Nah bro, Gohan power ups are asspulls. The only one that makes sense is ssj2 in cell arc; he actually trained and the power boost makes sense. In the buu arc and now super, his power boost is ridiculous and with 0 to little training.

[@JoshuaIfidi]

@@JDarkAngeI him head butting raditz when he was 4 was also an asspull by your definition

[@smhwolvi]

gohan is awesome and i love how he is able to keep up with his dad with mere seconds of training, i also like his personality especially when hes serious/in battle

[@Oz1455]

Is that why Gas turned into dust? I thought he was just too far into his limit already, and Frieza gave him the final blow. I didn't think of it as a "curse" that happens everytime the others get stronger.

[@MrJokerSenpai]

Gas was constantly trading his lifespan and ageing his body to keep ahead of Goku and Vegeta, but when Frieza showed up Gas raged out and buffed up by trading even more of his lifespan gaining a massive power up, and when frieza one shot him his body kept powering up to try and match frieza but he turned to dust and died because the gap was too big, and his lifespan too short.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Gas made the exchange in demand. Granola did this subconsciously but stopped when he triggered his eyes. As with the eyes he had the abilities to compensate for the Ultra Saiyans. Gas had no such thing

[@k1llsh0t_87]

@@TheUncivilizedNation Granolah and Gas had 2 different wishes, Granolah wished to become the strongest in the universe at that moment while Gas's wish wasn't shown but was most likely to be the strongest in the universe no matter what or something along those lines

[@marshal8358]

@@k1llsh0t_87 but apparently, Granolah was also able to tap into power greater than that he wished for, since his final attack to kill Elder Gas removed some of his lifespan. Which should not be the case for his wish.. But I suppose any form of limit-breaking for Granolah also accounts for a reduction in lifespan since it goes beyond the initial wish of trading away his life to attain all his potential at once. The double copper eyes rly were just an evolution, a trait, to him attaining huge power. Ig that was his true awakening of power before putting everything into one attack. While Gas made use of the wish and his instinct physiology (his forms) to powerup.

[@fg009letyrds8]

@@marshal8358 yeah, the Double Sharingan is still part of the wish actually, Granolah has just yet to tap into it as the wish didn't really gave Granolah the ability to perfectly access and control the boost he got.

[@TheBashful0ne]

Gohan's potential always made me admire him. He's one of those characters where on the surface you think nothing of him until he shows out

[@phines93]

He's the pure definition of don't judge a book by its cover

[@taichiarasoi776]

@@phines93 and in his case. he'll beat your ass with said book. then read it for more knowledge

[@stedmanhilljr7112]

His potential is stupid and doesn’t make sense it sucks cause he doesn’t train and it’s not fair like in dbz he was training and he’s potential made sense cause he deserved it cause he trained like he doesn’t even train and is on the level of gods like wtf is good bout that

[@fdfgaming9076]

@@stedmanhilljr7112 cry us a river nobody cares

[@Error-hx9ze]

@@stedmanhilljr7112 it’s dbs bro don’t expect any sort of good writing in iy

[@QuantumPineapple]

Once Gohan obtains that Black air force energy for himself he we will be unstoppable

[@selfimproover]

Idk man gohan seems more like a memory foam skechers kinda guy

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

@@selfimproover he hasn’t upgraded

[@andrewbarragan3756]

Forgetting who the main character is

[@hunnidshottas1808]

@@selfimproover that’s wat I said til I saw beast gohan that ain’t da regular gohan 😨

[@jaimeruiz7837]

The English dub voice was awesome, he sounded legit.

[@jeffschmalz456]

Frieza training for Gogeta makes perfect sense to me. Every time Gogeta appears, the fight becomes totally one sided. Janemba.. fodder, Omega Shenron... fodder. Even though the fight was flashy amd awesome, even Broly had literally no hope. A fight where Gogeta meets his match (before the fusion wears off) or severely struggles to barely clutch a win would be epic and, I feel, a logical doorway for further growth in Goku and Vegeta.

[@ZGamingGuy]

I feel they could easily write in piccolo convincing Gohan that if he doesn't keep training and become the top fighter, then his family could always be in danger. Like, imagine if Goku and Vegeta go to a different universe and are fighting to protect their own. Imagine the villain says something like "you sure you have time to be here when I sent my brother off to your universe to conquer it?" Goku just goes "how strong is your brother?" The villain says "same strength as you" And both Goku and Vegeta just go "lol then I'm not worried at all" Basically, Goku and Vegeta can go to other universes and combat the people there, while Gohan can remain the protector of their universe. It makes sense for his character, and even if Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta, it doesn't hurt the story at all.

[@EidanHimself]

That's good writing right there!

[@sporkmaster5131]

You gotta realise that, Freiza displayed a very casual, easy feat of just knocking Goku and Vegeta out. I wouldn’t even really call that a battle. Like it’s over in the same chapter. Freiza has wayyyyy more power to show if he is just doing something causal. Gohan’s battles was a battle yeah. And DAMN IT SETH YOU GOT ME AGAIN AT THE END OF THE VIDEO I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS VIDEO RN. Keep it up Seth I’m loving the videos!!!!!

[@qballa2787]

Was it tho? Gohan kinda just ate a blow like it meant nothing then like he does he started getting a little violent and wilded on cell max

[@supervegito7902]

When gohan beast awakened, it wasn‘t a fight anymore. He bodybaged him. It’s a shame piccollo interfered.

[@proverbs1268]

It was a battle because he was enraged, you realize cell max (who is supposed to be a rival to a trained broly) couldn’t touch gohans AURA. I don’t think there was a single time the strength difference was that big. Yeah Gohan went all out, but not because cell max was a challenge.

[@jordanverdun3522]

@@proverbs1268 end of the day ssb ultra insisting goku and ssbe vegeta beat gohan and broly

[@flamingcat1101]

@@jordanverdun3522 ssbe vegeta is nowhere near a trained lssj broly

[@MrJimTea]

The last manga arc has definitely put an emphasis on fighters unlocking their own unique ability and mastering it rather than power level. Even though Gas was powered up beyond belief he still used some unique abilities that he had already mastered. I like this direction, and I think there will be something unique that both Frieza and Gohan can do that will be revealed. I hope so anyways.

[@windghost2]

I do too. I want Gohan to actually be a fighter that people can count on again. And I believe the Superhero movie was a step in the right direction for him. So here's hoping that the manga adapts the movie and does their own thing but still giving Gohan and Piccolo the shine they deserve.

[@AarturoSc]

Boy this is something I was hoping Dragon Ball would do ever since the Android saga. Everything since the has been “Ha HA! I got this power up! Meaning I’m gonna win now!” rather than interesting combat with actual strategy involved! That was one of the most interesting things of the first few arcs and tournaments all the way to the Namek saga. Super did include a bit more of that strategic combat here and there, but hopefully this means more for the things to come.

[@trentholder2428]

Love this idea. Hope they go with something along these lines would make things really interesting

[@DamianSzajnowski]

@@AarturoSc the writing always been light and childish, with some decent spots in og and z, super been consistently disappointing for me

[@kfalco]

I know, right! Vegeta needs time to master UE because he just obtained it. Goku finding Bardocks' scouter, remembering who he is now and Whis telling him to find UI in his own manner, means we haven't seen the final forms for Goku and Vegeta.

[@zackdipaolo7858]

2 things I wanna mention I think we can't forget about Jirens potential as well. He went from little boy to stronger than a God by himself and as far as we know he doesn't have a time chamber or get zenki boosts. Plus better believe he is still vigorously training in his universe after the TOP so it'd be interesting to see him show up and defeat Frieza Black. Secondly in regards to Beerus, when we see Toppo use the God of destruction power he changes in form and almost looks possessed by a demon and that was only him in training. So I think Beerus is probably the same, when we see him fight Goku or when he's being compared to these people that's only his regular everyday form but he probably has a form where he looks similar with red eyes and those markings on his body as well as getting more buff.

[@agiammarco94]

Ya I don't see the hierarchy of power in the dragon ball universe changing (where have I heard this before?) until Toriyama and Toei are ready to move onto another Dragon Ball series, or until they're ready to bring in another massive dragon universe change.

[@JamesSmith-gp7lg]

Stupid argument. Jiren has trained his ass off HIS WHOLE LIFE! And we really have no idea how old he is. For all we know he is many thousands of years old! His potential is thus very low, and he is already largely actualized!

[@WarEnjoyer-gm5yh]

I just hope they don't make him a retconned character. Seeing a character that was far more powerful than the antagonists, doesn't get zenkai boosts, doesn't have plot armour, and only became powerful by hard work alone was a breath of fresh air. I hope he becomes a mainstay and they work on more character development instead of just throwing him to the wayside as just another stepping stone.

[@zackdipaolo7858]

@@WarEnjoyer-gm5yh well he definitely had plot armor but yea I agree. Same thing with Hit, I like him a lot and I hope him and Jiren come around more and become cool with everyone kinda like how they are in dragonball heros but even more so.

[@jotarokujo4250]

Jiren isnt a sayain LOL. He trained his whole life and got surpassed by goku in 40 minutes. You cant expect major growth from him

[@Jeff_2x]

I LOVE Frieza's character development in regards to training. He never trained a day in his life until the resurrection of F and decided to keep with with his training by mastering his Golden form and now his black form. That fight with Goku whether he’ll admit it or not truly humbled him and now he wants to make sure he doesn’t lose again so no one can challenge him.

[@brando3424]

He'll still lose

[@Naokarma]

@@brando3424 bruh

[@jaycee2040]

Yeah he'll lose... eventually. For the foreseeable future though... it's gonna be awhile. Dude got curb stomped by Super Saiyan 1, trains for three months, and is able to go toe-to-toe with Super Saiyan Blue. If he tried that during Cell or Buu saga, it would've been a wrap for the Z-fighters. Now he's trained for 10 years!!! If 3 months can put him on god level blue, 10 years, has him on a level unimaginable.

[@sammy6805]

My only problem with this is that as a meme depicts if Frieza had done a single push-up after namek on his way to earth he would have one shot trunks than Goku dudes gets too strong too quick. going from like 1/100000 of Goku's power to being his equal in 4 months training with the fodder freiza force. Goku trained with gods that freiza couldn't dream of beating, remember when freizas dad said never fuck with majn buu or Beerus in resurrection F or maybe it was the anime? Why not? Give it like 3 days and buu would have gotten 1 tapped also Android 17 getting way too strong is also way too stupid cause he also could have 1 tapped buu if he was there but whatever I guess he died when the planet was destoryed or something 😧

[@jaycee2040]

@@sammy6805You also have to realize the reverse. Frieza was known by the gods as well -- King Kai (who warned Goku countless times to avoid him) and Beerus, who was baffled that Frieza was even defeated. I'll def give you the 17 argument.

[@Deprece]

So… Gohan getting his full potential released by the old Kai didn’t instantly unlock the ability to reach his max potential? Instead, it unlocked the maximum potential he had so he pretty much has infinite potential? Like instead of him having a static bucket that holds a max amount of fluid, Gohan can now increase the size of his bucket an infinite amount of times? I mean, that would make sense to me story wise

[@Random1567]

Rather, Ultimate never unlocked his full potential. All saiyans have infinite potential technically, potential for saiyans is more about rate of growth. When Elder Kai unlocked his power, it wasn’t all of it, it was just the max he could unlock at that time, probably due to elder Kai’s limits rather than Gohan. He can’t unlock infinite power after all.

[@MrJokerSenpai]

"Potential Unleashed" just unlocked the power that his body currently had locked away, it was never a "Strongest i'll ever be/all my potential" deal. Saiyan's have infinite potential though, Gohan's "Massive Potential" more so refers to his ability to learn and power up insanely quickly, which i think his "Ultimate Form" actually boosts his growth rate even more because its constantly pulling out his body's best as he adapts and grows.

[@blazeknight2629]

Rather than a bucket think of all sayains having an infinite bucket, then having different types of faucets that turn on different streams of water, the more sayains fight the more the faucet turns up. For gohan he can immediately turn the faucet on basically any amount he needs at any point

[@cuntpoopoo2968]

Gohan never had "max potential" theres infinite potential for all saiyans

[@5h0ckblock]

Elder Kai's ritual only applied to that era Gohan. Gohan has gotten older and as such his potential increased accordingly. And that's in addition to any Zenkai boost he'd get from battles after the fact.

[@tobertcordless2491]

One of my favorite things about Super is how everyone has gotten their own iconic transformations

[@windghost2]

Same here.

[@christopherlake9667]

it is about damn time, that everyone have gotten their own iconic transformations

[@brysonhenderson8483]

Man awesome topic Seth very very interesting. Great video!! A blood lusted Gohan. A well trained Freiza. Geez man sounds amazing

[@dreadrath]

Rather than seeing them fight, I'd actually really enjoy seeing Gohan and Frieza team up again, but this time against some really nasty enemy or invading force from outside the universe. Funny aa it may sound, they actually make for an interesting team. Gohan's high intelligence and strategic brilliance mixed with Frieza's shrewd, cunning and underhanded nature, plus their combined potential, I dunno, just seems like a cool combination.

[@jasperjones5518]

No you’re right bro chin up! Their mental strength is top notch and they could be a better “intellectual duo” then Gohan and Piccolo since like you said Frieza isn’t against evil underhanded tactics.

[@chris200830]

They could team up against an evil Zeno. Maybe Zeno's child form isn't actually his fighting form and if he gets unleashed, it spells doom for everybody.

[@rocafella142]

I thought Gohan and Frieza made a cool team as well. Toriyama is creatively bankrupt. He would never pursuit that

[@Anbukakashi666]

I like it. But I think what really is going to happen is frieza has another form that’s not even his last so he takes vegeta and goku out. Then gohan tricks him and kills him

[@matti.8465]

Honestly, I think Frieza might "like" Gohan way more than he likes Goku or Vegeta.

[@OneKind671]

Beast is a kinda good name for gohan. His power is like a beast that’s been dormant and waiting to be awakened so it’s kinda fitting. But they really could’ve came up with a better name.

[@kaihoward7026]

Gohan Blanco would’ve been Fukin Hilarious 🤣

[@brycejohnson9351]

Gohan autonomous ultra BEAST

[@n0nexreb0rn4]

Mystic Fury Gohan

[@CazDesignStudios]

Mythic SSJ Gohna

[@lunatuna6935]

Supreme Gohan since his mystic form came from the kais

[@Robert-hb8fo]

I bet the G.O.D.s power are linked to the power of their universe's inhabitants, like gas's wish, but no drawbacks and more potent. That'd explain why Beerus keeps getting stronger, why he refused to kill any of the z-cast, and his motivation to give someone like Vegeta Ultra-Ego, when Vegeta would probably usurp Beerus.

[@gotzmoneywayne8216]

Or he has secretly been training, like Roshi has been, ever since the universe 6 tournament. This js in character

[@xxwales15xx33]

Frieza's with 4 months of training was able to fight on par with SSB Goku Gohan trained for 2 days with Piccolo and forced SSB Goku (which SSB Goku at that point is WAY stronger than when he fought frieza at RF) to go kaio ken. Just goes to show how God damn overpowered Gohan actually is

[@MrSkullMerchant]

Remember though gohan was still far more powerful than frieza at that point pre training. Frieza was namek level still

[@SebastianRamirezzzz]

@@MrSkullMerchant Frieza lazerbeamed the shit out of gohan in his first form from his chair 2 seasons before and gohan didn’t train during the black arc

[@MrSkullMerchant]

@@SebastianRamirezzzz that was after frieza trained for 4 months though..

[@BerserkerMaro]

Gohan didn't force Goku to use KaioKen. Goku could have beating Gohan in his SSB form. Gohan asked Goku to fight him with everything he got in order to scale his power and see where he stood. Soon as Goku powered up to KaioKen he put Gohan down with one blow.

[@raychy2059]

@@BerserkerMaro Nice head-canon. There's nothing indicating Goku could have handled Gohan in Blue. We can infer Goku got stronger throughout the ToP, and ToP Blue Goku > Ultimate Gohan, however pre-ToP, it seems Ultimate Gohan

[@kalawaki]

Narratively speaking Frieza is probably stronger since it’s clear the writers intend to keep him around for a while. If Gohan could beat him, then he wouldn’t be a lingering threat like his Black Frieza reveal implied him to be.

[@JujutsuKhan]

What if frieza has been beaten by the time the movie takes place ???

[@kalawaki]

@@JujutsuKhan They’re actively hiding Broly from Frieza. That’s clearly not the case.

[@gokufromfortnite867]

Is beast gohan even canon in the manga

[@OniKino]

@@gokufromfortnite867 ye, hasn't appeared yet tho

[@bwaynetheappal6564]

@@JujutsuKhan the movie is anime exclusive, it’s not canon to the manga

[@adammiller4473]

not really enough on this for a video I'm sure, but if goku has fully mastered ultra instinct, and vageta has fully mastered ultra ego, do you think they would have a unique fusion transformation that multiplies the forms together? from a story perspective that smells like a good way to beat black frieza

[@mvozaru8925]

Idk where you’re getting this information from but they are far from mastering those transformations. Hence why goku went back into Ultra instinct sign instead of MUI against gas. And vegeta is still learning his transformation still.

[@thefoxwolfdraconis]

*Cough* Ultra Vegito/God-Killer *Cough*

[@Naokarma]

@@mvozaru8925 They said "if" they mastered those transformations

[@k1llsh0t_87]

@@mvozaru8925 that wasn't Ultra Instinct sign that was True Ultra Instinct, and we have no way of knowing whether that is the final form of TUI or if he will eventually get the white hair back because nothing about the form has even been implied all we know is that goku found his own version of ultra instinct that works better for him

[@DATRUTH_19]

​@@mvozaru8925 "if"

[@famecoldhearted]

Gohan did state to Goku in their sparring match that he wants a transformation no one has seen before so I believe gohan will get this power in the manga soon! Great fight ahead of us!

[@javo10ful]

The fact it’s called gohan beast, implies gohan will get another form in the future, something that resembles super saiyan 4. Maybe it will be called super saiyan origin, since super saiyan 4 has qualities of a ozaru(hence the beast name in gohan’s current form). Of course this super saiyan 4 form will be far more powerful than GT’s version.

[@ptlemon1101]

@@javo10ful man, I wish. I'm tired of recoloured hairs. Give me a proper transformation like SSJ4

[@windghost2]

@@ptlemon1101 I agree but make it exclusive to Gohan and only him.

[@justinosolisjs]

I would have to go with Beast Gohan beating Black Frieza and here's why: All though Frieza has gotten more character development and even the spotlight as a hero at some point, his nature is still sinister. It's just who he is. The reason he's been playing the good guy is because it's his only way to stay alive. Becoming the most powerful warrior would revert his character back to the same sinister Frieza that would hurt/kill simply because he can. The same Frieza that would push anyone beyond a breaking point. That being said, GOHAN IS THE LAST PERSON YOU SHOULD PUSH BEYOND THE BREAKING POINT. We saw Gohan go from 0 to 1000 just because pan cried out, but subconsciously he knew she wasn't in real danger if it was only a random soldier that held her hostage. It was just parental instinct. Then we saw Gohan Beast because Piccolo was getting the hands from Cell Max. IMAGING wtf Freiza would end up unleashing in Gohan knowing very well Freiza has a true intent to kill?

[@jdennis867]

thats cool and all but black frieza one shotted Ultra ego vegeta and true ultra instint goku. frieza for sure has change, in the old days and even during the resurrection of f saga, frieza would had kill both vegeta and goku in a heart beat if given the opportunity but in the manga, he knock goku and vegeta out with one punch and then he left saying that they weren't his priority today.

[@AarturoSc]

Besides, no amount of pushing through his breaking point helped Gohan back when Freeza was invading Earth during the Resurrection of F story. There’s potential, but then there’s currently available assets, and if Freeza is at a point that he could simply one shot Goku and Vegeta at their strongest at the same time with a direct attack, then I don’t think Gohan is getting to that level just with him busting his balls for a bit. It would be RoF Gohan all over again.

[@StevenJones851]

black Frieza wins

[@kevinyount3427]

True, I feel like Frieza might start out stronger, but make the mistake of toying with Gohan or threatening everyone Gohan loves. Imagine a finale of Frieza and Gohan locked in a beam battle for 20 minutes ( as a throw back to Gohan verses Cell ) with Gohan getting pep talks from both Goku and Piccolo! Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Beerus, and Whis would all probably have to use all of their power to hold the universe together while Frieza and Gohan were fighting.

[@tankbeast8480]

I disagree lol

[@micaholson7293]

I can't believe I'm saying this but Frieza is kind of admirable in a way. Mainly because of his mindset. He's not fighting to beat his competition which is Goku and Vegeta. He's fighting to be #1. That kind of makes me respect him.

[@whitebwoi]

yea which is weird he is doing that now when he knew people like beerus already existed back on namek

[@strungarsshack5678]

Gohan as a little kid had more then twice the power of goku without any training. He just didn't know how to use it. So I hate it when people think it's far fetched that Gohan surpassed Goku, and Vegeta. He has literally been training Sense the tournament of power.

[@windghost2]

Right. That and the fact that he STILL has that latent potential even in adulthood, something that the Z fighters STILL talk about, it isn't far-fetched that he would be able to unlock a new form for himself. That and people say, "There's no build up to the form" There was no build up for SSB or Ultra Instinct either, but those same people won't care, and they'll just keep complaining about Gohan finally getting the form he wanted.

[@AndreB23]

As impressive as it was for Gohan to two-shot Cell Max, Frieza being able to literally disintegrate Gas with his own curse is an immensely better feat, IMO. At this current point, overpowering a Broly-level character isn't as nearly crazy as outright fodderizing a living cheat-code. Just going by feats alone, *and* the fact that Frieza trained for 10 years straight (30x longer than he did in the RoF arc, when he went from being below-SSj to low-SSjB level), and Frieza should still definitely be well above him, IMO.

[@ManuelPersona24]

It is not an opinion. Gohan fans have no quality.

[@ACertainMan]

I mean, Gohan tanking Cell max with just his aura alone is far more impressive than a simple one shot, for reference that's the same difference between base Goku and Jiren at the start of episode 110.

[@hcr7364]

@@ACertainMan u sure are a diehard gohan fan

[@ACertainMan]

@@hcr7364 I don't even like the show just want to see where they are plot wise after so many years.

[@hcr7364]

@@ACertainMan ok?Sure I guess??

[@FreeTheTree]

I think the ego form idea for berus is pretty plausible since berus kind of mirrors freiza in his lack of motivation for training but with more of a hedonistic with food and sleepy way. If berus gets a reality check from some higher tiered entity I think a black freiza level form or at least something in the ballpark of other things like UI and orange piccolo makes sense and also just to keep him relevant if thats what they want to do.

[@lolrolf]

has gohan ever received a rageboost and still been weaker than his opponent? Is it possible that his rageboost always puts him slightly above his opponent's level?

[@mohitnair2541]

Against Nappa, Frieza, and Moro. Other than those times, his rage boost has almost always let him eclipse his enemy’s power even briefly

[@rexz2525]

hey, you're actually on to something...

[@locoartsuu9607]

@@mohitnair2541 some of those failed rageboosts are partly due to perhaps Gohan thinking it’s fine since goku or vegeta are still around. Usually tho, when he’s the only savior, he owns the game

[@AndrewEvenstar]

@@mohitnair2541 I'm not up to date, but he fought against Morro?!

[@lolrolf]

@@mohitnair2541 As far as i remember he was stronger than 2nd form frieza due to his rageboost. But weaker than his higher forms.

[@Odbarc]

It makes me wonder if Gohan's potential is getting it's own zenkai boosts. Or if somehow his relaxed study-mode-Gohan is somehow contributing to his potential. Like his human side has him bounce up and down in terms of overall power because the latent potential of doing this so often puts him on that beyond-next level.

[@ivory867]

It would be cool if gohan was a mutant half breed and his potential got its on zenkai boost

[@noahboliek5482]

I wonder if the end of the manga Whis says “maybe” to Goku, when goku asked if the fish was talking about Freeza. I think Whis was also talking about Gohan because maybe hero ends around the same time the manga does. I also think since Shenron unlocked Piccolos ability, I think shenron actually unlocked his powers from when he was the dragon god since we know even before kami existed that namekian forgot their name from time. So I think that explains his new form, because the mirror does count as the extra gift technically since it was not in the wish.

[@Vi_XXiV]

Thank you for recognising that Frieza is actually a prodigy and not just a fortunate dude born with genetics allowing you to just power up easily.

[@silvoz535]

I'm interested how they gonna do this without fusions. 10 years is absurd, we saw what the time chamber did for the boys in cell saga. 10 years though.....sheeeeesh man. Can they even use the chamber anymore or is that still tapped out for them?

[@LoporianIndustries]

This reminds me of when Captian Ginyu had Goku's Body in the Namek Saga. He wasn't able to control that power because he needed to train with it. The smart thing for Captain Ginyu to have done at that point would have been to go back to Frieza and cash in his Vacation Days to train with this new body in a far-off place where no enemy could find him. Captain Ginyu needed time to train. He was being impatient.

[@lolmanv]

I swear, if Gohan's potential is strong enough to match a Frieza that has been training for 10 years then his potential is really god-sent

[@TheLegendaryCazoo]

I mean it literally was god-sent by elder Kai

[@mohitnair2541]

@@TheLegendaryCazoo Elder Kai unlocked the power already within Gohan, he didn’t give Gohan power. But I get what you mean

[@windghost2]

I believe that he can match Frieza, he just needs to train with his new form and reach his new limits and surpass them.

[@ChromedDomes]

Plot-sent

[@Deaezy]

@@windghost2 Gohan's power scale level is infinity just like when he had turned Ss2

[@jamescentersmith9323]

I personally think that it would all depend on how Frieza and Gohan go about playing their cards in a fight in the black Frieza form and Gohan Beast form. I want to say that Gohan has the slight Edge although if Frieza plays his cards right he can definitely destroy and clap Gohan in his beast mode. And from all of the material I have read about a Gogeta versus Vegito, Vegito has always been described by Toriyama as the perfect Fusion where he didn't say that about Gogeta. So I would say maybe it's possible that Vegito is slightly Superior to Gogeta. I guess we won't find out until Toyama says something about those 2 in their max potential.

[@iamlordapollo]

My theory is that Beerus gets stronger while he sleeps. That's how he takes 2 year naps and wakes up relevant while Goku and Vegeta train their asses off and never close the gap. He is a cat after all. I think having a feline god of destruction that destroys planets over food and takes century long naps to get stronger is the best thing I've ever heard.

[@Gokenn7368]

Heck you're right Feline behaviour, eat food and keep asking for more, not stopping eating, then sleep and keep on sleeping extended hours, then wake up and wreak havoc repeatedly I'm referring to my cat LMFAO

[@savaget2058]

Would be interesting if the strongest fighter in the universe that is hinted at the end of the chapter was actually Gohan. Obviously, it is annoying that Gohan is so powerful without having to train. But this would be interesting nonetheless.

[@samuil7365]

he did train, but not alot like goku and vegeta.

[@jdennis867]

@@samuil7365 did u even watch dbs super hero? the whole premise of the movie is that piccolo is sick of gohan slacking in his training so he had to resort to a lowly tactic to get him back into fighting shape. in the movie piccolo literally told gohan that it would be nice if he trains every now and then. so this means that gohan hasn't been keeping up with his training at all. gohan probably train for the ToP and then stopped after they won.

[@basrisetiawan6528]

Gohan akan menang melawan freiza apapun bentuknya, potensi gohan yg sangat fantastis, ingat perkataan goku pada saat ingin berduel dengan bejita sewaktu memasuki kapsul babidi" marahlah gohan, tak ada yang mampu mengalahkanmu jika kamu marah" Igat juga ketiga gohan vs bu, justru majin bu di permainkan. Ingat ketika super gotenk (sayya 3) di serap oleh majin bu, pertarungan sangat sengit. Pada saat picolo di serap oleh majin bu barulah gohan kewalahan. Level gohan itu sangat jauh di banding pada karakter yg lain yg berada di dragon ball z, hanya saja dragon ball super merusak karakter gohan. Ingat sewaktu freiza saga, wujud ketiga freiza di buat babak belur oleh gohan kecil walaupun sesaat pada saat krilin sekarat. Ingat juga pada saat goku (super sayya 1) terjadi di danau dan gohan mengira bahwa ayahnya telah kalah, pada saat itu gohan kecil juga sempat menghajar freiza dalam wujud sempurnanya.

[@trey4408]

@@jdennis867 Gohan then reveals that he's been practicing special beam cannon and does the TOP not count as some form of practice?

[@jdennis867]

@@trey4408 Him practicing the special beam cannon because of him looking up to piccolo is not the same as him training to level up to get stronger like goku and vegeta. Piccolo put the weighted clothes on gohan when he was at his window and gohan was struggling to move In them and he was not able to sense the person in disguise was Piccolo because his battle sense is dull while pan was able to tell it was Piccolo immediately. If that doesn't tell u that gohan has been slacking then idk what does. Gohan also said that he hasn't lost his edge which implies that he hasn't fought in a while but his body still remembers how to move and fight because of his exp. This movie takes place yrs after the ToP so why does his training in the TOP have anything to do with the movie?

[@drip1orddior]

i also think piccolo pretended to die to fuel gohan's transformation, right before he rushes cell he says "i have a plan". amazing video though bro you broke it all down beautifully.

[@David-nw4nk]

Ah you’ve made the common mistake of thinking this series cares anything about consistency. Beerus has the narrative on his side. Move on, people.

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

Not even narrative they flat out said Goku and Vegeta will rival him in the future so if your one of the people still talking about Beerus getting surpassed anytime soon then idk.

[@FenixTheDon]

i think again i need to emphasize that this Beast Transformation isnt just a rage boost. This is a transformation induced by rage, much like Goku and Gohan raging into their Super Saiyan forms.

[@nixuniverse5240]

The thing is, they’re gonna make these characters as strong as they have to service the suspense of the plot.

[@shido_rimru_]

I'm sorry but dragon ball super needs better feats like aren't these characters supposed to be universal and there not doing that much damage

[@OwensSkateStory]

These videos are a great way of tracking current interest in dragon ball Love that it's still huge

[@zzee9572]

I’m really hoping gohan is in the next manga arc, honestly I hope goku does like a piccolo sacrifice and that’s what gets him into beast mode again

[@averyrushing1103]

Gohan has literally always been stated to be the strongest at his full unlocked potential

[@PooPooDoggo]

ikr

[@mando7323]

Not more than Broly and Frieza tho ✌️😂

[@Sosodefkid]

@@mando7323yes more it’s literally been stated by the creators.

[@mando7323]

@@Sosodefkid It's been stated that gohan had more potential than the z fighterz yes even more than Goku and Vegeta but it was never said it was more than frieza and broly stop the BS 😂

[@wushu3112]

I love the fact that piccolo knew it was time for old Gohan to unleash a new power

[@Tripledashhh_]

How sick is that.. the last time gohan seen freiza was when he was just a kid. And as a teen. And now as an adult he’s even fought with him in the tournament ark. That’s pretty damn crazy how much history GOHAN and freiza has I hope they continue their beef too cause freiza traumatized gohan in namek ark 😂😭

[@TheAnimeGYt]

I'm taking Frieza even Gohan needed Piccolo to kind of give him an idea that he needs to go for a kill shot and freezer will do that regardless of the opponent! But I don't see Gohan soloing Goku and Vegeta at the same time like Frieza though. Maybe he can🤷🏿‍♂️

[@DMsubble]

think we need to see more feats from Gohan Beast. Even though piccolo did state he was stronger then both of them i gotta see it.

[@TheMightOfGeburah]

Frieza buttfucks Gohan it’s as simple as that.

[@phines93]

Yeeaaa ok if you saw the movie you'd know he didn't need piccolos help...the reason piccolo told him to take the shot is because Gohan was smirking getting cocky and piccolo wasn't trying to have the planet get destroyed because of his cockiness

[@ddl3718]

@@phines93 yeah, every time gohan has had a massive power boost, he’s failed to finish the job.

[@aydendorian15]

I mean he can.

[@masterofalldark]

I don’t think that gohan is tapped out of levels to his form considering in the movie he is overflowing with this power and they previously stated that to truly master a form you have to be in control

[@doctorfloppa2021]

He’s not in base vs kefla in the manga he just has a passive ultimate state most likely “I want to evolve as an individual instead of a saiyan” which fits the potential unleashed state and foreshadows gohan beast lowkey

[@LordEgilYGO]

Ngl as an avid Dokkan player I always love seeing card arts being used in dbz analysis videos

[@evoll]

Finally, gohan coming back. Maybe cell could come back stronger too, who knows. I'd like to see that

[@dpsikea224]

are you slow?? Cell max deluxe??

[@JE_SUS-EDITZZ]

@@dpsikea224 Why are you insulting him for expressing his hopes for the series. Loser.

[@gensteps923]

Cell and cell max are two completely different characters, it's perfectly fair to want the original real cell to return stronger than ever. Having cell max in the movie doesn't invalidate the idea or possibility of cells return. He has no real connection to the original cell because he has no memories or the mind of cell. Here's one possible way they could do it, the only way it could work convincingly is if Cells brain data was backed up into the cloud before his death on some Ultron shit: If they ever decide to introduce Android 21 to main canon she could get her hands on Dr hedos blueprints for cell max. She would be impressed but also dissatisfied with the design choices of Dr hedo. She would claim that he sullied his grandfather's creation. To avenge her husband Dr Gero and his life's greatest work she uses the blue prints of cell max and Dr Geros original cell blueprints and combines them. Rebuilding him a new bio Organic body already in Perfect Form, incorporating all the enhancements and upgrades from cell max design, but ditching the giant body. She vows not to make the same mistake the red ribbon army just made. She will recover cells memory from the cloud and download it into This new cells body. Effectively bringing him back to life and he will have all memories of his interactions with Gohan piccolo and the z fighters. I tried to come up with a better idea than just "oh let's steal the dragon balls and wish him back to life" like Frieza was.

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

And then maybe Raditz, Nappa and all of the dead villians can come back and magically be God tier just because.

[@RR-ts9qe]

@@dpsikea224 cell max is super thrash lmao like a mindless tyrant robot

[@grimhasarrivedonyoutube8889]

Love this video and your analysis man! I’m so glad one of my favorite characters, Frieza, is getting some love instead of just getting pummeled. I hope you have a great day man, much love!

[@Prometheus-x1w]

it hasn't been 1 minute since he posted

[@lolman9410]

@@Prometheus-x1w LOL

[@Drilly_bop]

@@Prometheus-x1w people always tryna get a quick comment in for likes

[@118andrey]

You are putting way more thought into it than anyone at toei

[@BeerusGamer28]

I think beerus wouldn't be scared, beerus haven't used his 100% power yet now that's scary

[@therealsugarrayrobinson5468]

Definitely. He felt Friezas power and was only worried about goku and vegeta coming to make him ramen 😂

[@Wayne3nterprises]

With current DB logic someone just has to get really angry about something to do with Beerus personally then he would get annihilated.

[@BeerusGamer28]

@@therealsugarrayrobinson5468 but beerus has the ultra instinct as well, and other stuff we don’t know about

[@BeerusGamer28]

@@Wayne3nterprises I don’t think, knowing beerus has other power we don’t know about

[@therealsugarrayrobinson5468]

@@BeerusGamer28 beerus has the potential for UI but it’s not suited for him. That was the basis of how vegeta got his new form. A form more fitting for personalities like theirs

[@bofi1280]

I think Beerus is in a writing loop of always being stronger than the main cast for the sake of being able to drag the series out and keep making new forms.

[@illuminati3561]

Yeah, it's because they don't know how to end the series right. I imagine Being stronger than beerus will be the final goal post, which will probably be after frieza.

[@sharanpannoo5927]

Yeah if common sense existed Black Freezer after 10 years of training should be at least equal to beerus

[@jeffita470]

@Bonniebell Roberts i think that Whis was refering to fusion, and it does make sense in that way

[@alexbasha0508]

Yeah but… they can keep going after Beerus. If they wanna get spicy with Dragonball, go for the Angels and Grand Priest. Or some super ancient enemies that rival Angels and the Grand Priest. Imo, the likes of Goku and Vegeta SHOULD be on the level of Beerus by now.

[@JayJay5244]

As much as I love Dragon Ball and as much fun as these scaling videos are, I kinda think these constant power ups to the point where they can easily destroy universes now, takes away from the overall experience… Maybe that’s just me…

[@dantecurry207]

Definitely not just you. The absurd power ups are fun for powerscaling, but it really messes up the writing and characters. Dragon Ball is nothing more than a money maker now and those who own it don’t care about good and consistent writing and characters.

[@aydendorian15]

Well, the show in its core is about our hero Son Goku getting stronger and fighting people all while protecting the earth and universe.

[@BigEvan96]

@@dantecurry207 maybe they'll reboot the series someday.

[@dantecurry207]

@@aydendorian15 Well sure, but it was still better written back in the old days. It wasn’t perfect, but things seemed to have more purpose and consistency. Dragon Ball just feels empty now.

[@Arcad1010]

Gohan hasn’t been given special power up in a long time now 😅

[@12801270able]

18:55 Incorrect. Gohan's kamehameha was no-sold by Toppo, whom is Blue Goku and Vegeta's equivalent in power in the TOP arc. If you want to remain subscribed to the whole notion that it takes a bare minimum of being twice as powerful as your attacker to no-sold their attacks, and when you factor in a lowball multiplier for the Kamehameha, it makes Toppo at least 5x as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. Not to mention that Super Maximum Speed Dyspo was able to overwhelm Golden Frieza with his speed, but his attacks did no damage to him; which means that his power wasn't in the same tier, either. Gohan wasn't Blue level. Also, on the topic of Black Frieza being Beerus level, that's nonsense, given how an official statement said he was nearing the level of A God of Destruction. Beerus, as we know, stands above the other Gods.

[@davyjones5079]

Yall need to calm down with these Frieza/Gohan takes, its getting ridiculous. Stronger than Beerus, stronger than Vegito UI, stronger than Whis. What are you smoking? DB fandom will never change. In every new arc: Overestimating the new characters/powers ------> Underestimating the Gods/Angels/fusions ------> Gets trolled. Rinse and repeat.

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

It's DB fans after all they aren't known for thinking and if we see Freeza still weaker than beerus or whis they'll again whine and make rant video's when things don't go in the way of their "scaling".

[@reckfulyo]

11:07 I feel like Whis was talking about Gohan but not at that moment but he could have "seen" the Future in like a couple of month's. And saw Gohan's potential

[@chillpenguin7679]

Jeeze, Gohan's not lazy man. He's just out there trying to live his life and raise a family lol. Poor guy can't catch a break

[@Arcad1010]

He has been on a break for a while 😂 to the point he regressed in power.

[@wlt3585]

"Who is number 1, and why is it not me?" That quote goes HARD

[@rocketmanart7964]

Dragon ball super super hero takes place several years after the broly arc, Moro and Granola arc. So me personally I believe that Frieza has been training to surpass the sayians again. Gohan maybe has been training a bit but Gohan has always had his potential unlocked when enraged since he was 4

[@GunlessSnake]

I think this is a case where Black Freeza, even if not quite as strong in raw power as Beast Gohan, would likely beat him due to being more cunning and having taken his martial arts training a bit more seriously in comparison.

[@JamesSmith-gp7lg]

Complete and utter nonsense you’re spouting there bud. You are *100% WRONG!* Frieza (who has AT LEAST as much potential as Gohan…) has trained for *TEN YEARS…..!* Do you remember how strong he got the first time around????! He literally went from being weaker than a Namek Saga SSJ1, to being even stronger than a RoF Saga *SSJ Blue!* In just *4 MONTHS…* And now he trained for *10 YEARS….!* That’s an ASTRONOMICAL power jump that Gohan will never be able to catch up to in this current Arc and time at least… You should really THINK… About these things, instead of saying stupid stuff like this. *Frieza:* Born with a power level of 120 million… *Gohan:* Born with a power level of LESS than 1000! Gohan trained and fought enemies HIS ENTIRE CHILDHOOD nearly.. And didn’t even reach SSJ2 without getting severely angered enough after all of that. Frieza never trains a day in his life, and then trains for just a measly *4 months* and reaches *SSJ BLUE Level!* Frieza: 3 Gohan: 0 Black Frieza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LARGE GAP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beast Gohan.

[@Cruz_ignatius]

@@JamesSmith-gp7lgstfu

[@coletrain_one]

Frieza is the definition of being built different.

[@daedae2500]

The fact that he surpasses even the Saiyans in transformations alone and he trains by himself without god ki is just scary and the fact he train twice and he already became stronger then all the GoDs maybe not beerus or quitela yet but he slams the rest of the others

[@MotherLover1984]

@@daedae2500 My man was born with the power to rival a Super Saiyan He is a monster

[@GuyVick]

Frezia has more potential than anybody in the series yes including broly

[@romansferrow6957]

@@GuyVick i think Gohan has more because it took Frieza 4 months to go from slightly above Namek to SSB, but it only took Gohan a couple days to go from buu saga to a way stronger SSB, cause Goku was way stronger then he was in Resurrection F

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

@@romansferrow6957 Frieza was literally born with a power level of 120 million. Do you remember Gohan as a toddler? He needed to train. He was basically useless.

[@oz88og40]

This would make a awesome fight between these two powerful fighters

[@Gokusolosyourfavouriteverse]

Seth, you never fail to amaze me with every video you make, thank you

[@GodslayerSeiya]

What a funny joke this is

[@Gokusolosyourfavouriteverse]

@@GodslayerSeiya I’m sorry?

[@doublethebenjamin8185]

New idea: Frieza clones himself, trains with the clone until they're both at the same level of strength, then uses the dragon balls or super dragon balls to wish for the two to be permanently fused.

[@21istheone55]

Why would he not just wish to be stronger

[@yingames275]

@@21istheone55 very late answer Wishing to be stronger basically uses your entire life span except for like a few years and turns that life span into training You’ll have like 1-2 years left to live if you wish to be stronger

[@Cyborous]

21:53 Maybe it will depend on them being able to out strategize each other in terms of their genius intellectuality’s on fighting. It would be interesting to see frieza rival gohan’s book smart and now, experience.. because I do think he’s more experienced in fighting now more than he used to be.

[@BezDGoat]

Gohan is stronger then either goku or vegeta not both, frieza one shotted both so I would say frieza is winning that

[@DannzOfficialz]

From when I was a kid and watching DBZ I loved Gohan I say for the sake of my personal bias he can beat Black frieza. But for the sake of Vegeta I hope they give him the spotlight to crush Frieza for good - he needs it and deserves it

[@kevinyount3427]

One more scary possibility is that we know Frieza can copy others' techniques and attacks; and he would have witnessed Omni-King(s) erasing universes so many times during TOP. Frieza probably hasn't figured out how to transverse across different universes yet, but look out when he does.

[@peterjonsson8129]

I'm sorry I can't remember a single move he has copied but kienzan

[@kevinyount3427]

@@peterjonsson8129 Frieza copied the Namekian ability to regenerate limbs and Frost from Universe 6 was able to copy Master Roshi's Mafuba.

[@dankerbell]

​@@kevinyount3427frost just redirected roshi's mafuba and when has frieza ever regenerated like that

[@kevinyount3427]

@@dankerbell Good point. Frieza has never made use of that regeneration that he copied into memory on Namek.

[@nomadsland8322]

I’m interested to see what the unique aspects of Beast form is. MUI is about speed, UE about power from damage, LSSJ you just constantly get stronger, all forms don’t have unique effects but Beast seems like it should. Especially if it’s his version of UI/UE. On note of Black Frieza, the fact Broly without training still beat his ass after he trained was probably a huge blow to his ego. Imagine if he didn’t blow up Planet Vegeta and eventually ran into Broly then. He would just die probably.

[@hellogoodbye3786]

I guess frieza just didn't have the makings if a varsity athlete (sorry that comment about his ego reminded me of sopranos lol)

[@CalebCheek]

Imagine if GoKu and Gohan finally fused and beast was mixed with UI or if Vegeta and Picolo fused and ultra ego with namkeian regeneration was combined. I feel like these fusions could pose a threat to frieza

[@rulerjayohenn3161]

Teen gohan’s power level jumped 7 years ahead of everyone during the cell saga with less then 1 year of training. It is very possible an adult potential unlocked gohan post TOP can have a rage spiked transformation the jumps a full decade in power.

[@KimchiKakashi]

5:23 I actually disagree. I agree with you when you said that he didn't account for his drainage and time limit in his new form, but i don't think that was NOT the ONLY thing. He was surprised that Vegeta had also obtained the transformation. He assumed Goku and Trunks were the only two SSJs and didn't know Vegeta was capable

[@RequiemMichikatsu]

True but he was more focused on goku then anyone else since goku was the first one to turn in to a SSJ and land killing blows

[@dariangarcia7577]

Kindve suprised they havent boosted characters this way more often. Weak or strong-cant other character's train like frieza to get stronger ?

[@Nimodog19]

Even then they don’t have to train. I can easily see them incorporating things like Time Breaker masks in DBH and Xenoverse in a future arc. They can use them to power up characters like the Earthlings and get them close

[@munchycrunch3046]

No frieza has insane latent potential it's why if krillin trained for tem years straight he wouldn't be above ui goku.

[@blakemaxwell7175]

No, since frieza has way more potential than anyone other than maybe gohan or broly

[@Ray-i5w7w]

True any of the characters could train but they wouldn't benefit as much as Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan or Broly due to having way less potential.

[@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee]

yes and no. aside from Frieza having insane potential, the other "weak" characters don't have much desire for fighting (maybe Tien but he's rarely ever shown)

[@PremonitionGamingVid]

When you're talking about them getting healed at 9:48 and still getting one shot you could of mentioned this was on top of probably a zenkai boost they got from fighting gas as well.

[@Jackrabbitt247]

You got a new subscriber my friend, can't believe I haven't seen your content yet 💯

[@BickNutton]

I think the "Stronger than Beerus" ideology is only really viable if Beerus isn't training. Beerus likely has absurd potential just like anyone else, he just had no reason to get stronger. I really think he could stay ahead if he is determined.

[@amberanime]

That just makes Beerus the current Frieza. In the Frieza Saga Frieza had no need to train because he outclassed everyone anyway. Then SSJ Goku came along and his reign was over. Beerus can easely make the same mistake. By the time he realises he should train to keep the upper hand again, he will already be beaten. Especialy if the one to fight him is for example Frieza, who would just kill him if given the chance. Gohan meanwhile has this whole special thing going that when push comes to shove, and there are no more options, it's either he wins or all is lost, he does something crazy. Gohan's reason for fighting is more powerfull then Beerus, or Frieza or any of the saiyans. He is not a warrior at heart who seeks strenght for the sake of it. But when he needs to protect something he will go nuts. And pull no punches. No chances for redemption from Gohan once he gets serious. Gohan is both kinder and colder then Goku. Kinder in the sense he doesnt like violence, he doesnt like hurting or being hurt. He doesnt relate to the warrior way. But once he gets serious he will end you. No amount of pleading in the world will make him stop, while Goku would let you go if he had fun fighting you. Gohan is kinder, untill he isnt, and when he isn't, its game over. Gohan is the dark horse of this franchise, and Frieza is build up as the true final boss of this franchise. The arch nemisis of the dragon ball series. The joker to the main characters Batman. Beerus will be surpassed because otherwise there wont be real stakes at the final fight. He will also likely be replaced by somebody that surpasses him. Gohan and Frieza seem the most likely candidates to surpass Beerus, despite the focus on Goku and Vegeta, because Frieza and Gohan are just build different. And that has been confirmed within canon again and again. I think it makes sense not only for Frieza and Gohan to surpass Beerus, but also for one of them to replace him as the god of destruction. There are many people online who explain why Gohan is a good fit despite not being warrior or fond of destruction. In fact that is why he is a great candidate. He understands the weight of such a duty, and god of dustructions are not supposed to be destroying for the fun of it anyway, but to maintain a healthy balance in the universe. Gohan values life, and is capable of taking life if there is a need for it. Anyway long as rant to say, Gohan and Frieza are freaks of nature, and I doubt the whole of dragonball would keep bringing that up at points if the story wasnt at some point going to do something drastic with that. they are build up to something. The question remains what. But a final clash between them and or them surpassing Beerus seem like legid options to me.

[@katherinemayers6733]

Every new arc y'all said "Beerus is finally surpassed" and every single time y'all are wrong. Please, LET IT GO. Toriyama doesn't care. Dragon ball has tons of statements that are bullshit. Also, Black Frieza>Gohan. Gohan is not gonna be stronger than the current villain

[@mohitnair2541]

It’s possible it could be a situation similar to Gohan vs Super Buu. Maybe Beast Gohan is indeed stronger than Frieza, but due to his cockiness and Frieza’s cunning and tactics he’s able to beat Gohan. Or it could be a reversal of SSB Goku vs Golden Frieza. Gohan comes in stronger than Black Frieza, but due to having a more unstable form he burns himself out, while Frieza made sure to remove any stamina issue with his training and beats Gohan that way. I do think it would just be easier to have Frieza be stronger though. And most likely Goku and Vegeta will be the strongest at the end of the Black Frieza arc, Goku achieving a new level of UI and Vegeta mastering UE.

[@arin7776]

Seth is crying because Beerus is unsurpassed lmao.

[@MentaAzul]

But Super Hero is after Granola Arc, what are you saying lol

[@thediamondphenom3174]

@@arin7776 he’s not?

[@arin7776]

@@thediamondphenom3174 He is. Beerus is the benchmark for Goku/Vegeta in the story. He'll be above anything until shown otherwise.

[@jovoncruz9981]

Thank you Seth been waiting for ppl to touch on this. Frieza had been mentioned in almost every arch of dragonball since Z all the way till now. The most intriguing thing to me is what you said. How the only 3 really concerned for Frieza being out. Is Beerus, Gohan and vegeta. Goku hasn’t been really concerned for this. Also given what Beerus said to Frieza. That if he ever tries to kill the sayians. Beerus will kill Frieza himself than the cherry on top is him getting thrashed by Broly for an hour lol. Out of all the characters that are villains in Dragonball Frieza will always be the biggest threat. No other villain holds a candle to frieza. Also Seth do you think this could be a good opportunity to have a multiversal involvement between planet sadaal and the universe 6 sayians. Do you think that Beerus should die within these next couple arch’s.

[@Kidkinsey]

The gohan ost playing in the background is BANGING😭😭🔥

[@bladerninja2942]

I always thought that it was implied that Vegito was the stronger of the two fusions due to the potara being a superior fusion method. I might be wrong or it might just be outdated info but I have always had that idea

[@Pyralord]

Same

[@ciaoatutti307]

If you think about it vegito vs merged zamasu was completely useless while gogeta vs broly in that final kamehameha would have probably kill him,so broly probably being able to match or i would say beat zamasu mean that in all the cases gogeta is the strongest now and there is no question about it

[@Pyralord]

@@ciaoatutti307 your comparing 2 different times and zamasu was getting fucked up, if he wasnt immortal and vegito stopped taunting him then he would have got murdered

[@ciaoatutti307]

@@Pyralord no man,vegito showed up for half episode and did nothing to zamasu,like vegito can't defeat immortal zamasu but trunks can so your point make no sense...

[@munchycrunch3046]

@@ciaoatutti307 vegito never touched kiaoken at all so he just wasn't at full power on top of that the restrictions to fusion somewhat nerfed it.