How Strong Is Gohan Beast?

[@SethTheProgrammer]

guess its my turn also sorry for the weird editing, i'm gonna get slapped up if i put too much super hero footage in yknow how it is for those trying to argue cell max was already completed. this is not what toriyama was referencing in his comment, toriyama references cell as "he needed to be completed as planned" which is in reference to cell being let out too early before his mind and other things were constructed and or programmed, making him not "completed as planned" hope that is common sense lol

[@ToxicTim]

yo seth you my best friend

[@MakiDesu]

hi daddy

[@richtheli1266]

@@-whyquestion 🤓🤓

[@richtheli1266]

Long time my dear student 🗿🤌🏼

[@Sage-2002]

Six better his vid no diffs yours

[@edp9708]

Gohans that guy who has never worked out and still lifts more than you who goes to the gym daily

[@nocturne311]

@@shaquandavis4292 That's probably how your mom thought society would perceive your first name.

[@Daakkii]

@@nocturne311 Bro he has a family

[@KirboDreamland]

@@nocturne311 wha 🤣

[@UngovernableU]

@@nocturne311 Made the man delete his comment .

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

Yeahh, and that’s why I think this shit is laughable. “Gohan is now the strongest, cuz we know y’all liked that.”

[@blueflamezbmf3543]

Gohan is the literal definition of "That Son"

[@windghost2]

@@-whyquestion Stop saying that it's annoying.

[@irsshill4502]

I thought it was rice

[@Tahu33446]

Well he is "That Son" of "That Son"

[@money1070100]

son gohan

[@Kennishun]

I thought gohan meant rice

[@deathmuffin2484]

Honestly with how Gohan and Freiza interacted in the ToP with some hostility toward one another. I wouldn't be surprised if they're setting up a battle between the two in the next arc. Based on the color choices alone of their new transformations, it makes sense. Black vs White, both characters never really like training but now that they've both trained again they get new forms, both have crazy potentials, I mean......am I the only one seeing the duality of the situation between the characters???

[@undyingspy5245]

yang vs yin

[@deathmuffin2484]

@@undyingspy5245 exactly my thoughts.

[@jeffreyogunleye323]

This comment should be pinned

[@itsm9818]

Don’t roast me but isn’t manga and anime different? In the Manga they fighting Gas but the anime they haven’t released any episodes in years unless they return and combine the 2 stories.

[@eobardthawn6903]

Genius. I am so hyped for this movie.

[@coffees8302]

Gohan constantly surpasses everyone with little to no effort and very quickly This leads me to believe his power Is insane and will be amazing to see in the future

[@burststreamoverkill2229]

But is it Canon or just dreams

[@zeyadeslammohamed8490]

He always had the potential to beat anyone

[@zeyadeslammohamed8490]

And i think if he trained for 10 years he could fight God's of destructions i mean he literally have the potential to beat anyone if he wants to

[@sinisterseven1773]

@@zeyadeslammohamed8490 and people cease to realize that like they cease to not realize Goku beats Saitama

[@zeyadeslammohamed8490]

@@sinisterseven1773 facts

[@mightybryan1033]

I think Chi Chi’s strong will to protect , is why Gohan can power leap so quickly, Vegeta already said half bred Saiyans have more potential but Chi chi is one of the strongest humans and we all know Gohans true potential shows when he is forced to protect his friends and family unlike Goku who just purely wants to push himself

[@mickeymickey9914]

The reason, is that's it dumb

[@dravendarkplays9607]

Honestly might be up to something

[@StareachValcin]

An interesting idea of how Gohan has great potential due to both his parents.

[@Aceofshade764]

Actually shit that makes sense

[@brandoncross7559]

Lmao so you're just ignoring the fact that he has raged out and overpowered foes multiple times because of them hurting or threatening to hurt his loved ones? Literally went nuts on Jiren for trying to kill his friends. Slapped Zamasu around after hearing about the Chi Chi and Goten of that universe. The android 8 rage, the Piccolo and Krillin rage on namek, the rage against Beerus when he threatened to destroy the planet. Goku definitely lives to push himself, but you can't say that's the only reason he fights.

[@JoelAddoquaye]

Moral of the story: If you want to win a fight easily just let the enemy kill piccolo and you will see Beast Gohan scurrying behind

[@nekoluxuria7721]

Nah it will just be Gohan beast negro

[@IejatLala]

Isn't that hacking bruh?🤔

[@JoelAddoquaye]

@@IejatLala ye lol 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

[@PlayTari]

Middy, the whole movie was ass and the transformation was rushed. This transformation should've been achieved in a better way and not for just some middy movie to shut the Gohan d riders up. Piccolo died by Frieza in super and Gohan did nothing. Now that he's being thrashed by cell max bro gets stronger than everyone? Nah that's ass

[@shemwell4782]

​@@PlayTariso goku on a normal day

[@5001Fergies]

“We all forgot gohan was just…like that” is the best way to describe it 😂 he’s him, enough said

[@TheZkiller]

I love the smirk Gohan gave after seeing Cell Max charge up a huge energy ball. Man was so cocky and wanted to keep fighting just like against perfect cell.

[@TheDarkMaster312]

That's what Gohan is afraid of. He gets like that in intense fights and 2/3 times it caused problems.

[@Flaris]

What I really liked was that he didn’t make any mistakes. Despite being fired up and cocky, he wasn’t reckless. He’d let that go to his head enough times. This time he just enjoyed the moment a bit and then finished it.

[@toshi4542]

His saiyan genes kicked in

[@sorikaiwolf8955]

@@Flaris Yeah I liked that too it was pretty refreshing although I kinda wish we got to see more of his power and abilities with the new form as the form only got about 2-3 minutes of screentime at most which was disappointing imo Plus it literally came out of nowhere and felt kinda forced like it was pure fanservice not to mention far too OP for the situation At the same time though like you said I liked that Beast Gohan didn’t screw around and drag out the fight any longer than necessary , just got straight to business and took it seriously If it was Goku and/or Vegeta the fight would’ve been 5x or 10x longer for sure bc of they tend to have way too much fun dragging out a fight with a stronger opponent

[@Dell-ol6hb]

It's always funny to me how in the Dragonball universe a random scientist can just make cyborgs that are basically more powerful than almost every being in the universe casually and with infinite stamina

[@Arcad1010]

This scientist is not random though. This scientist is related to the creator or android/cell.

[@Ninox32tgretwh]

For real hahaha! Freezer should really be worring about the human race xd

[@deriaselposta]

don't mind me just making 2 androids bigger than 10000 black holes together

[@tellmeninetails5819]

I thought that was cool as fuck personally. Like technology can keep up.

[@KC_Smooth]

I just think of it as a scientist who’s mastered gene splicing and cloning which allows him to grow super strong beings.

[@thebanjoorder4446]

The way i see it is gohan is the frieza for saiyans. A being born with a massive amount of sheer potential and raw talent that demands respecting. I just hope super hero is the start of gohan being that guy again.

[@user-ve2wx8om6i]

Facts

[@K1ng_ib]

Dragon ball villains are so ass now, so predictable

[@aviatinggamer9051]

@@K1ng_ib yes. Dragon ball’s writing has not matured with its audience. It’s still: this bad guy is super strong- get new transformation- beat him up. It’s so shallow. Hell DBZ’s writing was deeper than Super. At least in DBZ the Saiyans needed powerful emotional triggers for a villain-beating transformation (I.e: Goku going SS against Frieza and Gohan going SS2 against Cell).

[@K1ng_ib]

@@aviatinggamer9051 the villains also look so unoriginal to me, like Moro and especially granola

[@lewispooper3138]

@@aviatinggamer9051 the fans are 30 but dbz is still written for 7 year olds

[@travisgrubb2990]

I've always been a huge fan of Gohan since I was a kid and I always took his latent potential as a metaphor for believing in yourself. Gohan was always timid and cowardice and felt he could never be as good as his dad or the other Z fighters. It's only when he is backed into a corner does he find the strength to prove himself a true warrior. I also believe Gohan's entire persona can be taken as a metaphor for the duality of man. The constant struggle of being a man and a beast. A human and a saiyan. I'm not saying any of this this is fact, these thoughts are merely based on my idea of Gohan. I could be wrong but isn't Gohan the only Hybrid to have been born with a tail? I wonder if that has anything to do with his latent potential. If I'm correct I think Gohan's powers are also a genetic anomaly. I dunno, food for thought...

[@windghost2]

Gohan IS the only hybrid born with a tail. Trunks, Bulla (or Bra) and Goten never had tails once they were born. So Gohan's power as a hybrid makes sense, I also believe that his mothers demon side of the family also has something to do with it.

[@corneliosunny]

Gohan is my favorite character I basically grew up with him, so I'm very happy with his power burst

[@matthewrodbourn2857]

Unfortunately the reason he was born with a tail and no one else is is because toriyama forgot Sayans had tails 😂

[@travisgrubb2990]

@@matthewrodbourn2857 Yeah, unfortunately... but hey, they could always retcon it LOL

[@gitgudlol8816]

tbh i like these new unique forms that toriyama has been making like ultra instinct, im glad goku and vegeta didnt just get more super saiyan power ups. i think goku and vegeta should go the "ultra" route, gohan should go with the saiyan hybrid route as he does in the movie. Broly should get ssj4 and goten and trunks should continue with the god ki route

[@B_bang22]

him being the strongest actually makes sense. Back in the latest chapter Goku asks Whis if the strongest was Frieza but instead of saying yes or no, he says "hmm perhaps the strongest warrior has emerged elsewhere" Its very possible that Goku and vegeta don't know of Gohan's strength since they are gone for long periods at a time

[@dcinfamousreturns4454]

Whis was talking about uub and black frieza is stronger then final gohan

[@alexferrier5732]

But it doesnt make sense for gohan to jump 4 tiers up just because he trained a bit and got enraged, as much a prodigy as he is, jumping 4 tiers (1 SSB, 2 SSB kaioken/vegeta SSB royal or whatever, 3 UI, 4 MUI/ultra ego). That was just bad writting. S Broly also jumped hella tiers in a single movie but dude had the legendary super saiyan thing going for him, Gohan as much a prodigy as he is supposed to be, didnt born with 10,000 power level, Broly did, but now beast gohan one shots LSS Broly... this writters 😒

[@ginyuraiyuden1104]

You’re forgetting how Vegeta and Goku were on Whis’ planet during the movie?

[@exel8091]

@@dcinfamousreturns4454 gohan has better feats

[@su6ny115]

@@exel8091 we saw him punch a robot like once and shoot his special beam cannon, while frieza killed gas and he’s supposed to be the strongest in the universe including gohan and everyone else. And frieza killed him in base not even black form. Not to mention he one tapped goku and vegeta

[@bluefire1118]

Gohans anger boosts have always been insane, and we haven't really gotten a proper one since his Cell fight. He got stronger from the time of Cell through his potential being unleased and further training with Piccolo before the TOP to the level of gods, so honestly its not that surprising that after getting another anger boost with that insane base power already there that he would skyrocket above the levels everyone else was at.

[@Syrus_Priest]

Kinda ruins the narrative of the cell saga though as that was supposed to be the culmination of gohans rage up until that point

[@michaelthatoker7125]

This boost in power is trash. He’s NEVER gotten this strong out of nowhere for no reasons at all. Literally the most ANY dragon ball character had jumped before super was a 4-500 times as strong and that’s being generous as fuck with gokus ssj3. Him becoming millions of times stronger out of nowhere isn’t in character for him. That jump makes no sense unlike the previous ones

[@goolly7119]

@@michaelthatoker7125 yea tht makes the movie ass imo didn’t do nothin but him gettin mad makes him stronger than goku n vegeta lazy ass writing

[@Abraxas1212]

Talk about Deus Ex Machina

[@ezradlionel711]

@@michaelthatoker7125 How is he millions of times stronger when he was already at least SSG blue level? Whenever Gohan was ready, everyone knows he would be the strongest. "Out of nowhere" He could only do the spiral beam attack because he has been training. With Vegeta meditating, it shows that Gohan's day job is still training. Even when Gohan turned SSJ the first time Goku said he already had more than enough power but he needed the drive to transform. Dude has a daughter now and no Vegeta or Goku to save the day. Gohan saw all the ridiculous power Beerus, Goku, Vegeta had and still wanted to find his own way to power. This is it, my bro. Enjoy it.

[@jonart8433]

What I liked of the movie was “the sins of a father” sub plot line that no one is talking about. Everything in this movie is dealing with a fathers past and how a fathers past (or even grandfather) significantly caused the actions for this film. From Goku to Gohan.Gohan to Pan. And everything with the RR army.

[@Sonyoucef]

God i love the music "Sin of the father" such a masterpiece

[@Flipitmixit]

Great point and you right I never seen anyone talking about this! This even applies to piccolo who constantly gets called king piccolo in the movie

[@Asmokedetector]

Damn it's almost like they stole that entire sub plot from the android and cell saga

[@Schokokeks233]

@@Asmokedetector "stole" k.

[@sarexui634]

Not only that, it also lines up with the sub-plot of the cell saga. In the cell saga, goku wanted to prove the new generation of fighters surpassed the old ones, which was represented by gohan beating cell. The narrative of dragon ball is now that goku and vegeta are training away with god-like beings to achieve a higher power , a new defender of earth must take up the mantle. That role is being given to gohan. Normally, goku and vegeta would have just gotten strong enough to beat cell max but thats no longer possible.

[@NeonoahGaming]

In the moro arc after two months of training Gohan is said to be almost unrecognizable by Goku. Then after Moro rips his arm through Goku, Gohan rages out and Moro acknowledges that Gohan got a power boost but not enough to fight him. So if Gohan did some light training between Moro and Superhero then the power boost he gets is a little less extreme of a jump.

[@Blaisem]

Gohan didn't do any training. It was stated in the movie that he wasn't training again. That's why Piccolo admonished him in case a world threat appeared again -- because for some Gohan didn't learn that lesson from BotG, RoF, Goku Black, ToP, and Moro in the last year -- and this is why Gohan needed a rage boost just to access his Buu arc Awakening form again. If he were training none of this would have happened. He literally went from probably at best cell level to beyond ssb gogeta level in the span of an hour.

[@NeonoahGaming]

@@Blaisem not how that works. Also base cell level is laughable. Gohan in the movie says he has been practicing the special beam canon in secret. He wasn’t doing intense enough training to keep his ultimate form but he still trained enough to learn. And in the Moro arc he gained two major boosts in power (one after two-three months of intense training) so his base being cell level is impossible

[@Blaisem]

​@@NeonoahGaming Piccolo met him while he was studying and said he wasn't keeping up with his training. That makes it canon. Furthermore, Gohan wasn't able to go awakening without a rage boost. This makes Gohan weaker than Buu saga, both because he had to struggle to reach that form, and most of all because his ssj form is simply weaker than ultimate. That's about Cell's level or a little stronger. That he mentioned training special beam cannon is either long in the past or a plot hole in some form.

[@calinwin445]

@@Blaisem he did train in secret

[@Blaisem]

@@calinwin445 He did not, or he would have been able to go awakened form without a rage boost.

[@voltagecherry]

Personally I think its a way to get some of the OG's back into the fold. I like the idea that piccolo and gohan are back on the level and are able to fight heavy hitters with more ease now, as well I like the idea that Broly could be a more regular member around the series with the potential to usurp the destroyer title from vegeta as to me it'd be a logical and actual good idea.

[@max_im_um]

I agree, we need more Broly and Gohan/Piccolo. I also think Gohan is a more interesting character than Goku, and Broly than Vegeta. Because we've seen basically everything we needed to see, and know everything we need to know, about Goku and Vegeta since DB+Z. Like hundreds of episodes were dedicated to them. Gohan and Broly there's a lot of ways these characters can be developed. With decent writing these characters can give interesting episodes.

[@ChaelSonnenMMA]

THANK YOU. The first comment I've seen where someone calls out exactly what's going on. The creators are just doing whatever they want, trying to appeal to the fans. The fans have complained that some of the Z characters so the creators are trying to fix it. Nothing more. Nothing less. There's no fancy reason why Gohan got a massive power. Toriyama said this is what the fuck is about to go down and so it shall be because he writes this shit. Doesn' t need to make sense.

[@Durex653]

I think it's 50/50 i don't think Goku would want to be an angel or Vegeta destroyer

[@MajeedBelle]

I disagree with this. I don't think they need to be on the level of the big two. What I think is they need good stories around them and their level. But that's the problem. Dragon Ball isn't known for its good story.

[@combatsportlover6919]

@@ChaelSonnenMMA I mean Gohan was always known for his immense potential. Even as a frightened and inexperienced 4 year old he could bang with the strongest characters just by getting angry. Then he managed to sustain it against Cell only to slack off and lose some of his ability. The author didn't just pull Gohans potential out of his ass. This is a staple of Gohans character.

[@matti.8465]

Cell Max's capsure seems to be sucking energy from the planet's core, which makes me wonder...what if after Moro fused with the planet and got killed, a lot of leftover energy was left in there? The Red Ribbon army most likely watched that battle take place, so they might be harnessing that power for their strongest creation. Makes sense, especially because the way Cell Max behaves, it's like his body contains WAY more energy than what he can handle.

[@sumaoncrack2251]

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[@Greg12839]

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[@sumaoncrack2251]

@@Greg12839 ayyy

[@joxyver]

No. The Dragonball super Anime and Movies are not connected to the manga. It has been stated by the current writer of the manga and Akira Toriyama that the anime and movie material for Dragonball super is an entirely different canon compared to the manga. I don’t know why it says that it takes place after the Granolah arc but I’m going with what the creator himself said, they are probably saying it in that way maybe just to gauge exactly how much time passed.

[@NotBeef]

@@joxyver yea but they’re still gonna be similar so he has a point

[@blakpulp1366]

I look at Gohan as a civilized Broly. He's just got a peaceful nature and is well trained. Those historic power jumps are insane and it happens every time. Raditz, Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, Buu, pre ToP Goku Blue. When on the line he's jumped leagues in an instant. Although I think there's enough evidence to suggest he was secretly training before the ToP. At least in the manga

[@Jon-jt9fy]

it wasn't a secret in the anime. they had entire episodes dedicated to Gohan training for the T.O.P.

[@cosmik411]

In the manga it just gives Gohan more credit, he tied with Kefla in t.o.p. In the Moro arc he dedicated to training for 2 months to fight He did everything alot of people are complaining about that he didn't do which made it "an asspull"

[@blakpulp1366]

@@Jon-jt9fy it's not the same. In the manga he's visible worn out from training at the end of the Goku Black and mentioned using the gravity chamber on his own before Goku showed up with info on the tournament

[@Arcad1010]

More like broly is the uncontrollable version of gohan. Gohan came first.

[@Jon-jt9fy]

@@Arcad1010 writer-wise yes..but canonically, Broly was born first.

[@Echo-nn8dt]

I’m interested if they will show Gohan unlocking Beast pre-the big fight in the manga. Throughout the movie Piccolo assumed Gohan wasn’t training enough but Gohan was adamant that he was okay the whole time, as relaxed as he was. When he turned beast he seemed to know that he could do it, wasn’t shocked about achieving that level of strength or anything so I feel like he’s done it before. Anyway, good video!

[@giotte4643]

I just imagine that if Max Cell didn't broke out of his chamber, we would have seen his perfect form.

[@techfly3]

perfect cell MAX!

[@TheSadMusician]

Thats not how it works, he needs to absorb the other 2 androids to become perfect cell

[@sail.897]

@@TheSadMusician It would’ve made perfect sense for him to absorb both gammas to turn into perfect cell it’s a shame

[@7pagemuda971]

@@TheSadMusician that’s exactly how cell max works, you’re literally just spewing bullshit

[@Ch4oTiK]

@@TheSadMusician I don't think that's how Max works, since he emerged in form 2 without absorbing anything. Plus Cell (OG) didn't have some weak spot in his head, I wonder if an evolution would have accounted for that somehow.

[@ryanwall1470]

I think it's because Gohan is one of the few that has real human emotion in this show... and he is just very emotional guy to begin with. Makes sense since he is half human. The others kinda feel like robots when it comes to emotion. I think he taps into that human emotional state to easily raise his big burst power. Since that's what seems to happen when the others get emotional. Thats usually when they get a new form.

[@calvinkopp1735]

And because of that, Pure Saiyans like Goku and Vegeta will never be as strong or as fast as Gohan can be. If he never stop training all his life, not for the sake of power or glory, but for the sake of protecting his family and his planet, he will always have the immense strength he needs to overcome the forces of evil. Once Gohan’s ready and is at the highest of all of his dormant potential, he won’t have to have Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego.

[@youcef4712]

I think gamma 1 and 2 are weaker then saitama chapter168

[@simple_majin]

@@calvinkopp1735 future gohan train for all of his life and dude never past ssj 1 mans got whoop by android 17 and 18

[@Shearenity]

That actually makes a lot of sense. The Fighters get a burst of power when they get emotional, but because saiyans aren't very emotional to begin with, it rarely happens, so they resort to training. With Gohan who is really emotional, his potential is through the roof. So they balance him by making him not train as much.

[@marquisedreams8812]

The human adrenaline he can get with his absurd saiyan blood is insane. The average human can lift hundreds of pounds when tapping into their forbidden strength. This is the reason why I think gohan has technically more potential than gotten and trunks, because while they can tap into the same adrenaline, he’s a lot more emotional than they are. They are more carefree and even in harsh moments they can get lost in what they’re supposed to be doing. Gohan on the other hand releases it from his heart and almost never gets in front of his emotions.

[@Thomas-kj8bf]

Freaking loved it when his saiyan instincts kicked in when cell condensed the nuke and he smiles at it like he’s fired up

[@El_Mexicutioner666]

That's the thing that people don't understand about Gohan - it is his potential that is unreal, and he may not be stronger on a base level than others, but his ability to get stronger is WAY easier and faster than anyone else, and he can reach heights higher in less time and with more precision than anyone else.

[@lolcall5295]

BS. Gohan only got that strong because the plot required him to get that strong. Remember future gohan? Yeah, he's not that strong is he now? He didn't get way stronger easier and just died pitifully. Also, are we just gonna ignore that goten and trunks easily went super saiyan without any real training while being younger than when gohan first achieved ssj? Doesn't that made goten and trunks have bigger potential than he has? They got stronger WAY easier and faster than any other saiyan in history. See what i mean? Don't justify bad writing lol.

[@edogawaconan945]

No, it for the plot

[@Nbaballing4life]

@@lolcall5295 right so many gohan fanboys they get delusional....

[@letsplayagamebro1384]

​@@lolcall5295 Future Gohan never got that Zenkai boost he needed. Should he have gotten it then he for sure would've put 17 and 18 in the ground. No senzu beans, so that means he had to wait to heal his wounds, but since 17 and 18 were always on a rampage he couldn't actually rest and heal. While it is impressive that Goten and Trunks got super saiyan at 7, you're forgetting that Gohan got super saiyan 2 at like 9 or 11. I won't deny the insane potential that Goten and Trunks have, but Gohan has always shown that should he need to, he could surpass everyone easily.

[@legendarytronic7774]

@@letsplayagamebro1384 Exactly

[@siuqramv3]

I always thought it was weird how Goku and Vegeta were seen as the two strongest during the buu saga yet Gohan clearly surpassed them in his ultimate form

[@mickeymickey9914]

He didn't

[@siuqramv3]

@@mickeymickey9914 It’s actual fact he did

[@montyaduloju3768]

@@siuqramv3 he didn't not at that time. We seen in the anime that he gotten way stronger than super Majin buu. And we see him clearly kick his butt to the point MB had to pull a cheap shot just to defeat Gohan. We all saw it. And at that time Goku and Vegeta had to use fusion just to be even stronger than Majin buu. Gohan at that point was stronger than goku and vegeta. And it makes perfect sense at that point mystic was stronger than the two. However, SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu is way stronger than Gohan. You could argue we never gotten the chance to fully see Gohan actually fight him, but when you turn to the Resurrection F movie, frieza at base form clapped the absolute stupidity out of Gohan at that given time. Due to already not training and not making an effort to stay strong. Which is why when he did make a half ass come back for UToP he did indeed fought goku who wasn't even using half his power against Gohan in only blue form. Goku already knew. Hence why Gohan asked him to quit playing around and actually go all out. Still got clapped. Point is, Gohan is half baked and makes no sense how he got fan serviced instead of properly developed.

[@jordanbraden4043]

@@montyaduloju3768 actual it's stated that kid buu is actually weaker than super buu

[@siuqramv3]

@@montyaduloju3768 Wait u say I’m wrong but u keep agreeing with me about Gohan in the Buu saga

[@noname72390]

gohan has always been so OP and has to do literally almost no training as he constantly surpasses everyone else in power by leaps and bounds while everyone else is constantly training to get where they are now.

[@uchihakiller201]

Goku didnt train yall keep forgetting he merged with 6 ssjs to achieve that level of power including gohan. Its no way gohan or anyone could reach Ssjg ever. Scaling ass

[@P1iskin]

Facts. Vegeta and Goku both trained by a god. Its BS

[@Mahaveez]

Whis hints at the theme at play here: the training is not the key to the power levels Super is entering. There is an aspect of mental calm and responding to something like the flow of life and the universe.

[@tmann0901]

Yea it's called fan service and shitty writing

[@NovaPrime5012]

@@uchihakiller201 elder Kai just unlocked his potential. And his latent ability of being a hybrid just shows he is stronger. God was achieved by vegeta as whis stated all on his own. Thus vegeta the true goat.

[@leightonrud66]

Love that my boy piccolo got some much needed attention. He deserved the power up and it actually makes sense

[@rais6036]

Doesn't make sense but I'm happy

[@Gundam_JAY]

@@rais6036 uh yeah it does

[@rais6036]

@@Gundam_JAY I'm saying it doesn't make sense why he became so strong

[@somerandommodeler]

@@rais6036 it does make sense tho

[@yderga8707]

@@Gundam_JAY Dende pulling an upgrade out his ass that wouldve been really convenient 3 plot arcs ago, that somehow translates to Piccolo being stronger than he is now, when Shenron isn't supposed to be able to make someone stronger than he is, makes no sense. Piccolo has fought gods and shit and Shenron became a joke after the Frieza arc. This is the same Dragon thats acting as Bulmas pet granting her cosmetic wishes, thats pretty much how irrelevant Shenron has become as a character. I get he pulled his "latent ability" out, which was cool, but the orange Piccolo form came out of no where and didn't really have any plot relevance or reason. Its SSJ2 and SSJ3 all over again, "were just going to make his features bigger and say its a new form!" Which Super was at least trying to pull away from a bit.

[@robbyt-low4937]

That's good to know Superhero's placement in the DB timeline. So, we'll have a long way to go before Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo are in the anime. So excited for the anime to return. Gohan my favorite character outside of Vegeta. Dude is such a monster and I love his Gohan Beast form.

[@fireboltchamploo7620]

I love how the movie's been advertised as Gohan's big comeback when it's really Piccolo trying to get Gohan back in shape for the entire movie for him to kick things up a notch at the climax. Still a great movie, definitely wanna watch it again subbed.

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

Honestly both ideas would plant my but in that seat

[@CabBlaze420]

Gohan beast is honestly one of the most thought out named transformations in the series. If you watch Z, the narrator describes gohans hidden power as the “beast within” multiple times. So to go that far back in the lore, the name sticks, and it sticks well.

[@amuroray9115]

I liked the movie a lot but the name and look are dumb as hell. Lol.

[@shade08538]

It’s not. It absolutely isn’t. Let’s be real here.

[@georgiepig5726]

Beast gohan sounds better then gohan beast

[@martymar2113]

@@georgiepig5726 beasthan

[@georgiepig5726]

@@martymar2113 that name just sounds plain stupid

[@TweakinOnColeslaw]

I love how when I went to see this movie, how comically LARGE Gohan's hair was, I only focused on that for a solid minute.

[@Shou_Crit]

Gohan is just built different and they seem to forget this so damn often.

[@LuisHernandez-ks3oh]

If by different you mean making less sense than most characters then I'll agree. The Saiya-jin hybrid potential is one of the worst things Akira could've created. But, some looooove to eat it all up 😂

[@mistermaxie6487]

Something I really liked was the divide that cut through the screen when he went Beast Mode. It's such a blatant callback to SSj2 but the idea that it's a consistent visual whenever Gohan shatters his limits through rage is really cool to think about.

[@V.VIIIBeanman]

Which is why I don't think this form was an asspull cuz as you said. Gohan literally did the same thing for SSJ2.

[@theoneandonly2133]

@@V.VIIIBeanman he trained in the hyperbolic time chamber with goku to get ssj 2

[@dreadblock7592]

@@theoneandonly2133 that was ssj

[@theoneandonly2133]

@@dreadblock7592 no it wasn’t just ssj. his fight against cell wasn’t the first time he turned ssj2.

[@aetherialbeing4223]

@@theoneandonly2133 isn’t that anime exclusive? Lol

[@alexdeghost2729]

I liked this movie and this new form because it’s a lot like the inconsequential DBZ movies to fan service the series. I mean even the form itself is SSJ2 Adult Gohan but with the limited Manga colors which is awesome.

[@potas8]

literally a inconsequential movie to fan services the series but in 3d lmao

[@aeida6140]

Thats a funny way to look at it but a lot of those movies were even written better and looked better like Bojack does 10 times better to portay Gohan in a good light then that movie, broly second coming too actually.

[@alatsno1656]

But isn't this canon?

[@krioni86sa]

@@alatsno1656 It is

[@upg5147]

@@potas8 You can't say inconsequential when it's canon

[@TheGIJoe69]

When I saw how Gohan tanked the attack from Cell Max that did it for me. Gogeta Blue was clashing with Broly but, the gap between Gohan and Cell seemed way more massive.

[@lavonmclain5354]

gogeta beat the shit outta broly wym

[@ParadiseDB7]

@@lavonmclain5354 he still had to dodge wym

[@BayScrilla510]

@@lavonmclain5354 gogeta blue had to actively dodge every incoming attack from fpssj broly, he couldn't tank or no sell a powerful ass attack like gohan beast did. Plus toriyama and the guides confirmed if fpssj broly was in control and had a calm mind he could've possibly beaten gogeta blue and I believe that.

[@fg009letyrds8]

Not really, dude was in a fresh state while Cell Max was already fighting Orange Piccolo for a long while. Also Broly is still the Bench mark and we know this Cell Max WILL LOSE to FPSS Broly.

[@origon4477]

@@fg009letyrds8 We still don't know the limits of broly or gohan yet. Could go either way really by the looks of it

[@sicklelkcis]

Son “ too angry to care about the power gap “ Gohan

[@gambeano]

Gohan has always been referred to or had symbolism pertaining to a wild animal or "beast" both visually and when talking about his power ups. Gohan was clearly going through ptsd seeing himself as helpless and about to lose a father figure/best friend/godfather to his kid against an enemy that he had already gone through hell as a kid to beat who killed not only someone he looked up to greatly at the time (android 16) but also took his father's life. He was going through that again with piccolo. Like cmon im tired of the whole "gohan beast doesn't make sense"

[@Eldoofus]

Yeah, the setup was pretty fair tbh... But this is Dragon Ball, after all, we're bound to get some BS logic. be grateful there's an argument for it this time around.

[@dinogt8477]

@@Eldoofus AGHAHAHA YOU DOG

[@dinogt8477]

@@Eldoofus go back to school failure

[@dinogt8477]

monk

[@neoshenlong]

While I appreciate the chance for other characters to shine, the power scaling in Dragon Ball went from absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical to I-don't-even-have-an-adjective-for-this-anymore in this movie.

[@scape_stray601]

yeah bro why tf did piccolo just turn into an orange and became able to 1shot goku

[@B3N_J1]

If Gohan is able to do this with so little training, why tf was future Gohan so weak?

[@scape_stray601]

@@B3N_J1 obviously future gohan didn't want to train because he was busy vibing in vault 76 listening to West virginia

[@sneakcr3144]

@@scape_stray601 Lmao....nice one..though, the guy has a point..future Gohan trained hard in order to beat the androids.He became super sayian by himself..but now..he farts and gets stronger than Ultra Instinct?..wtf?

[@songoku6067]

Exactly its gotten too ridicilous thats why DBZ was awesome cause they actually chilled out and let the Z fighters work hard for their powerups now they will probably give Buu a transformation where he stomps UI Goku

[@deeaygo619]

he’s strong

[@Always5onKobe.]

Bro I thought a hair was on my screen

[@richtheli1266]

Mf that pfp confused me for a sec 🤣

[@TheBlastoise313]

I knew it

[@meyomeyo9911]

Simple and to the point

[@soulkilaproduction5993]

I thought my shit was cracked

[@hirothelegend2741]

Beast Gohan seems to be Ultimate Gohans' true form basically this is the Gohan we wanted and needed Gohan was always my favorite and they gave him his justice he needed

[@maaoruzketo]

I'm still in disbelief about the leap that Gohan took without any sort of training or anything. Call it fanservice or bad writing, but it just feels wild, even more so than when Broly did it in his movie.

[@kaimobley5324]

Well Broly is not only unique but also genetically unstable so it makes sense how but Gohan yeah that I get

[@V.VIIIBeanman]

I see it as Gohan's power "maturing" with his body. Teen Gohan was insanely strong. Gohan Beast is Gohan if he had just kept up witth his training and trained with Goku, Vegeta, Whis, and Beerus. Think of it like this. Since Cell Saga, Gohan has been hyped as "potentially" the strongest. This movie just brings out that what if and makes it reality. Gohan literally went SSJ2 cuz of his anger and potential. He literally did the SAME thing in this movie. It's not bad writing or fan service. It's just realizing statements about Gohan that's been said since Saiyan Saga.

[@mikeexits]

Honestly a lot of it is spectacle at this point, at least to me. It's too bad. I enjoyed my first watch-through of Super but the more I thought about it the more cracks I saw. I wish SSJ Blue had some sort of grounding to make its power more "real" and palpable. DBZ did that fairly well (all things considered) throughout but yeah, it's a great lesson against power creep at the very least. After watching something like Hunter x Hunter my perspective on manga/anime power systems has changed a lot. Don't worry, I'm no HxH elitist nor do I wish to put other series down, I just really love it and it helped broaden my perspective on the execution of shonen tropes after only having seen DB/DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach. I hope Togashi is doing relatively well considering his situation.

[@drasticvoice499]

In the movie Gohan said he had been training

[@bene524]

Gohan had apparently been training or sum idk

[@johnnyscifi]

If Cell-Max had perfect Cell's regeneration, this fight would've been allot different...

[@worthyedge9307]

Imagine perfect cell max

[@happythanos6632]

@@worthyedge9307 RIP

[@worthyedge9307]

@@happythanos6632 yeaaa a perfect cell max and training...not a fight they'd win probably

[@ImPolonn]

Cell had the same core in his head wich is the one Gohan hit with the makkakosanpo, this is the core responsible for cells regeneration. Look back at the cell games saga

[@mark5222]

@@ImPolonn that doesn't make sense considering Goku obliterated his whole head during the Cell Games

[@DanTheDoodler]

Fan service aside, I am honestly loving that more characters are becoming relevant like this

[@windghost2]

Just hope it stays like this.

[@truebreakage9003]

@@windghost2 nope you already know how db does it

[@amuroray9115]

You know they’ll just get thrown away again.

[@llawliet9793]

Same but I feel like Trunks and Goten need to get to Super Saiyan 2 at the very least.. and they need to stop fusing into Gotenks so regularly and only use fusion as a last resort IMO… the boys need some love

[@tuginha]

@@llawliet9793 Definitely, might aswell remove them from existence and just replace them with gotenks itself because thats the only thing they even do

[@jasonchavis7974]

I think they meant the "Strongest Battle in Earth's History" which makes sense. I would say it outclassed Beerus vs Goku only because Beerus never took the fight seriously and held back the entire time. I also agree that Piccolo was comparing the androids to SSB Goku & Vegeta as it is really hard to quantify UI or UE since the user's mental or physical state determine their power respectively.

[@reterdedhorse1212]

Cope

[@floridaman6643]

@@reterdedhorse1212 quit smoking that copium my boi

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

My boi orange Piccolo one shottin SSB level characters is what I’m here for

[@Ms_makhachev]

Have to disagree. Goku vs Beerus fight could destroy the universe but all what happened in the Superhero movie, they only destroyed the RedRibbon compound

[@jellymatsuryuka6853]

@@Ms_makhachev just because they didn't destroy something doesn't mean it isn't as grand, Cell Max was stated to be equal or stronger than Broly and he got defeated easily

[@anrgybirdfanboy4802]

I think the statement of Cell Max being incomplete has to do with his mind state and that he is still just as powerful as himself if he were to be complete

[@devinb3538]

Yeah the scientist said that he was incomplete because they didn't finish the mind control program to control him. Power wise he was already at max.

[@molassesman4066]

@@devinb3538 man If his mind was complete i imagine him looking at his body and going " why do i look like in semi perfect, have this mace, and a strange desire to absorb android 18 somehow"

[@mohitnair2541]

that's not accurate, having a right state of mind has always been stated and shown to give a power boost, since "rightmindedness" is an important part of ki. So a completed Cell Max would be intelligent and also stronger. Like Seth said in the video, it's likely completed Cell Max would be closer in power to Beast Gohan but still weaker than him.

[@nebbia2453]

Nope Piccolo is at the level of a Super Saiyan Blue Cell Max is supposed to be at the level of broly So he would have beaten Piccolo instantly which he didn't

[@nebbia2453]

Stop with the headcanon Gohan is at Blue Evolved level and nothing more

[@festral7509]

can we just take a moment to step back and realize just how absurd this whole thing has gotten?

[@johntorres377]

Agreed after Dragonball Z shit hasn’t been the same ☹️

[@mickeymickey9914]

Super is straight up trash

[@lucasbrant9856]

Honestly the dragon Ball formula got stale a long time ago.

[@ihatecheese15615]

@@johntorres377 time for u to realize dbz is like this too

[@samarth638]

Every good thing must come to an end unfortunately. This is what happens when you just keep on dragging. Dragon ball z was one of my favourite anime of all time. And look what they did to it. They ruined one of my favourite anime to the point that it's nothing more than shit now

[@ocyrussteadt232]

It feels really weird that Gohan, after not training for a few years after the ToP, he gets a form that pretty much is only there to bring him back up with the top tiers. It's still really cool that he got a new form, but it really felt forced, I think it'd be better if he trained just a little. Because keep in mind, he did no training, at all, and then got stronger than basically everybody. It just really doesn't feel earned. I like the form, but it just doesn't have any worth to it. UE was awesome to see because Vegeta was training for a long time and didn't really show off much until then, it felt earned mostly because we knew he had something in store, or something he was preparing to show off. I hope this clears up what might've seemed like me hating on Gohan's new form.

[@saisameer8771]

That's just dragon ball super's terrible writing in a nutshell. It's like frieza training for a week and getting stronger than ssj blue. It makes no sense.

[@cringekiller348]

Gohan was training since rof saga. He deserved the power up more than anyone else.

[@reezywood3706]

@@cringekiller348 definitely not, he started seriously training again like 2 days before the TOP and then they say multiple times in the movie he stopped training to the point he couldn’t even go ultimate without a rage boost anymore

[@mubong898]

@@saisameer8771 You could call it bad writting for frieza but its not something that doesn't make sense. Frieza is pretty much an equivalent of gohan in talent. This guy was so strong he didn't have to train a single day he was born. So instead of thinking about it that frieza trained for 1 week and surpassed 3-4 arcs worth of power levels. Think about how many years it took for goku to progress to the level frieza is at. Took goku a few decades when frieza never trained a day in his life. you also have to think that even in his weakest form frieza could vaporize a planet. So it's not too far fetched to say this guy would become a godlike entity if he actually had been training that whole time.

[@seeme8080]

@@mubong898 it’s just straight shit writing and I know the writers know and they don’t care.

[@RealKaukus]

The main "issue" with Gohan is the fact, that he was supposed to replace Goku after the Cell Arc. Thats why he got a whole ass arc on his own, thats why he was "insanely gifted". Thats all of that. Thats also the reason why Goku let Gohan end the fight. The whole Saiyajin and Cell saga were a build up for Gohan to let him "shine" and be the new big hero. They afaik, choose not to replace Goku last minute. So Goku stayed the main character.

[@dantecurry207]

I honestly don’t mind Gohan being the strongest, but it had to be done in a believable and legitimate manner. This current era of Dragon Ball is just giving characters asspull power ups that make zero sense.

[@googledoxxdmebruh6283]

yeah, I'm not feeling this era. It seems like everyone gets a new transformation every half of an arc. Even Freiza. Yamcha is gonna transform and be viable if this keeps up.

[@chrisperez2873]

@@googledoxxdmebruh6283 UI Yamcha would be pretty dope ngl

[@disturbed157]

@@googledoxxdmebruh6283 goku, vegeta, and frieza's growth all make sense minus goku's most recent regression

[@SurotaOnishi]

To be fair, they've been doing this since Z but albeit not as extreme. After hyping up freiza as the strongest in the entire universe, they've repeatedly fodderized that version to where he's not even a blip on the radar by the cell and buu arcs. Super just took it to the extreme.

[@reicherwallace6774]

@@googledoxxdmebruh6283 Ya know, I'd be ok with Yamcha getting a asspull. Man needs something after all this time. At this point the games are the only thing that care about Yamcha. I remember one of the tenkaichi games had a super boss fight of Yamcha.

[@BlaxxShadow]

Happy that Gohan is back and in the spot he deserves, but SUPER hyped for my man, Piccolo. He's my fav character in DB and after all the years of being on the sidelines, the disrespect, his non sensical loss in the TOP. He FINALLY gets a power up. All Piccolo does is train just as much as Goku and Vegeta (he even focuses more on mental training), so his potential unlock being so strong makes sense too. Hopefully the others like Yamcha and Tien and even Krillin will follow suit somehow, I doubt they'll ever be on an even playing field but hopefully they'll get major power ups someday too, but as someone that kept up with the Saiyans constantly, and as someone so intrinsically linked to the Dragonballs, Piccolo deserves first billing. Welcome back, Big Green.

[@ProjectXReaver]

Feel like out of the humans that tien would probably be the one who is closest to getting a power up form like piccolo did due to he never stops training ever. Sadly as it seems with the weird hate for tien we may never see tien be used more

[@BlaxxShadow]

@@ProjectXReaver Yeah, the more time passes the more "Japan hates Tien" becomes more validated...like he gets trashed on for no reason despite having one of the best original arcs in the series and iconic techniques.

[@ProjectXReaver]

@@BlaxxShadow just wanna see more love for the side characters they shove into less than the shadows after one arc or so. Love to see a movie or arc about how the humans handle fighting a big threat to the planet. specially using chuaotzu, yajirobe, puar and oolong. I miss the days when they mattered

[@Thecor13]

@@ProjectXReaver it can be like dragon ball breakers but instead look for a week point that only they can.

[@ProjectXReaver]

@@Thecor13 yea but sadly if toei doesnt think it'll make money then they wont do it. Which is why i bet goku and vegeta got a spot in the new movie doing normal stuff they do

[@katherinemayers6733]

Guys, don't be mad when Gohan is gonna be irrelevant again after this movie. You know it's true.

[@Blaisem]

I like how you point out the numerous inconsistencies as you go along. Just so those of us who see all the power rankings as bullshit don't feel left out.

[@MyCvll]

This movie was for the OG Gohan fans, whose honestly is probably a lot of peoples first and favorite anime character. RIP for those who never got to watch the movie. If Gohan is this OP I may have to start reading the manga. Great Vid Seth

[@dtwduuvaaall6865]

The movie is not in the same timeline as the manga, it's actually takes place after the manga as we know it

[@arnaskazlauskas6876]

movies mid as hell ong

[@XyZolda]

@@arnaskazlauskas6876 🤡

[@garryjohnson9328]

@@dtwduuvaaall6865 that's not true 😂🤣 Pan Goten and Trunks are still not quite the age at the end of Z ... close but not yet.

[@danr8267]

@@dtwduuvaaall6865 I don't think you know what "timeline" means

[@mrtoast3319]

The craziest thing that always blows my mind about dbz. Is how humans with prep time can create beings that can rival Gods.

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

Dr Gero/Hedo’s prep time >>> Batman’s prep time

[@maverillion4610]

I think that’s the only thing that irks me. The rest is fine. Maybe if they used the excuse that the gammas were similar to 17 and 18 being partially human and being able to grow instead of actual androids I would’ve accepted it more. But eh overall very epic change in the power quota

[@Chiefteeth1]

@@ElPresidenteMargzbs

[@coletrain_one]

It’s good to finally see Gohan get the recognition he deserves after years and years of slander.

[@phines93]

Amen

[@dantecurry207]

If only he could’ve gotten this power legitimately and not through the current era dbs asspull power up.

[@ReignofIndepence]

@@ishnitzblazsteri3763 fr. They act like gohan as a 5 year old didnt pull power from nowhere to save his dad from raditz.

[@lordhimself2821]

@@ishnitzblazsteri3763 it really wasn't and you need to rewatch dragon ball to fix that view point

[@zacharypreval3186]

@@dantecurry207 meanwhile gohan in dbz: gets all his power ups the exact same way minus mystic

[@axe2373]

Amazing content bro, Gohan defines potential

[@lilithanarchy1228]

I love the fact that they finally did Gohan some justice only problem is I wish they would have had him train more for it

[@TechNinjaSigma]

I really hope We get Gohan vs Frieza next, that would be sick!

[@JfkNeedsWindWall]

So I can follow the logic of saiyan having infinite potential with training and near death fights, but how did a human create anything close to universal level? Like where do they even get the energy source to create the attacks

[@supershadow125]

Humans are just built different. They can create androids that can body people effortlessly to creating foods that their deities love. I think that's something I'm glad the movie did and hope to see more that human intellect is powerful and dangerous.

[@sayajin8773]

Bulma can make spaceships that trevel faster than light and time machines so i don't think it'll be much trouble for hedo to have collected resources from different planets

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

@@sayajin8773 That doesn't answer the question. Goku can overpower time directly through his fight with jiren, and even Gotenks in Z could rip open dimensions by shouting. It is absolutely ludicrous that humans were able to "science" up a solution that overtook a level that at one point required either a ritual or immersion in pre-existing divine ki to obtain. The idea they could close that gap is so stupid.

[@danr8267]

@@GokuInfintysaiyan you're overthinking an anime

[@defaultname7685]

The sooner you realize dragon ball has turned into marvel phase 4 the happier you’ll be. None of it makes sense, they’re just theme park rides.

[@Ch4oTiK]

I always took it like this: Life has a funny way of balancing things. Saiyajins have some of the strongest potential in the series, if not the strongest period - but this power is unlocked seemingly through emotion, and the species itself is almost caveman like in temperment. Even with the scientists, in general they see physical strength and power as a representation of their worth. When it comes to emotion, they don't completely lack it and I won't go so far as to say they see it as a weakness, but bottom line is I don't think they perceive it the way Humans do or really understand it. There's a genetic thing there where they are more feral despite being civilized beyond a wild animal. This is pretty obvious given the contrast between Vegeta, and Goku, who is himself something of an exception because...well, he literally has brain damage. He was a crazy, angry, normal Saiyajin child until he fell on his head and suddenly became a loving "son" for Grandpa Gohan and basically grew up into the aloof derp chad we know today. As a result of this, Goku, despite still struggling with basic emotion and basic every day life like Driving and such, still tries to protect his family and explodes with anger when people he loves are hurt or killed, such as Krillin's death to Frieza triggering his SSJ transformation. Vegeta on the other hand, a full blooded saiyajin with the upbringing of one and no brain damage (lol), literally states he could not comprehend how Goku did it and that he even originally started a family as an attempt to form a connection similar to Goku and his loved ones in hopes that it would help him trigger the transformation as well, and it did basically nothing for him all the way until Beerus put hands on Bulma. He even casually kills Nappa because he lost to Goku, and these dudes grew up together. Also didn't give a damn about Raditz either. Vegeta is something of an exception and is pretty cold even among his own species, but they are mostly pretty much all that way. Humans on the other hand are very emotional, but physically weak by comparison. Not quite opposites to Saiyajins, but pretty close. Because of this, they rely on technique and spirit instead of strength and raw power - this is another thing that heavily influenced Goku and why he is so strong. He is somewhat of a representation of both worlds, as a result of his head injury as a child and the upbringing that came after that. All the raw power of a Saiyajin, with the techniques of Humans and capable of more emotion and connections, stunted as they still are, than the rest of his species. Gohan however is the literal representation of this, being a half breed. Essentially he is the "All of their strengths, none of their weaknesses" trope - All of the power and potential of a full blooded Saiyajin, with the unhindered emotions of a Human fueling the power.

[@infamousplayer8772]

Man, how nice it is to see all of Goku and Vegeta's training and progress get thrown into the dumpster one arc after another.

[@connoc5078]

At least goku and vegeta are still significantly stronger than gohan beast, even if gohan gets every powerup essentially handed to him on a platter.

[@triple466]

@@connoc5078 gohan beast is stronger

[@mrungabunga1291]

I like to think that Granolah and Gas's wishes to be the strongest in the universe accounted for Gohan's latent potential, which I think is super funny.

[@Swishmb]

The thing is, Gohan had the potential to be earth’s mightiest fighter. Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo (although he was technically born on earth) weren’t from earth. Gohan was the only person other than Krillin and Tien or even Yamcha born on earth that fought to save it. That’s how I always looked at it. He’d be able to rival the God’s if they turned out like Zamasu.

[@windghost2]

Honestly if the Gods turns out to become like Zamasu, I definitely agree that Gohan would be able to stand against them.

[@Razealuxe]

17 and 18. Born on earth. Fought in the tournament power to save there universe(and for a boat). People gotta start remembering there earthings.

[@kilokilo7254]

It wouldn’t really make sense for Piccolo to only mean Earth born fighters, considering Gohan was already stronger than them at the time

[@zobbycar2728]

It makes sense cause Gohan was always told to release his inner strength cause when he does, he really does become a beast. His potential really is unlimited

[@CptnCobblestone]

I think Gohan achieving this level of power is a testament to procrastination and what you can do when you actually apply yourself. Dude hardly tried throughout the series whereas his peers trained for years to get to a similar level. There’s more potential in some of us than we realize but we have to find that motivation and draw that power from within. Also from a father/daughter perspective it really shows where strength can come from when it comes to your loved ones. I’m coming around to this movie slowly.

[@gerardonavarro3400]

@@-whyquestion your mom

[@Quatro921]

So youre saying that talent beats hard work. Real inspiring 💀

[@kevinmandujano3444]

Too bad it's through anime that we need to learn life lessons and skills now days 😔

[@antoniogarrison3817]

Great analysis 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@CptnCobblestone]

@@Quatro921 I’m saying that if you’re lazy that you may still have potential that lies dormant within you

[@vecto1861]

Gohans the definition of when that nice guy gets angry

[@-canopus-513]

Loved this movie, Pan was so damn adorable in it and I can't wait to see her in the anime, also Orange Piccolo and Gohan beast despite how goofy they are, are cool af. The story wasn't bad either and I hope this means that the anime will start putting respect on Gohan's name and have him continue training in-between doing his work. Instead of them just sending Gohan back to being a nerd who doesn't train at all and loses all his power, Also I hope orange piccolo is a permanent form that Piccolo can transform into so he can stay a relevant fighter. Biggest gripe with the movie is how the dragonballs and Goku are treated. Edit: I'm hoping that piccolo basically confirming that even in verse that the dragonballs are being disrespected means we'll hopefully get some kind of shadow dragon saga and maybe SSJ4 or summin.

[@windghost2]

The Dragon Balls I agree and Goku I disagree. I'm happy that him and Vegeta weren't on Earth during this time. Piccolo and Gohan handled it so it's all good.

[@-canopus-513]

@@windghost2 it's not about Goku and Vegeta not being there, it's how Goku was treated like a dumbass who didn't even know what image training is, Despite him literally doing image training in both DBZ and DBS. I'm actually super happy that Gohan and Piccolo are the main focus of the movie because they're my main characters.

[@aeida6140]

Lol, lmao the story was terrible and did not respect anyone you just think its good bc you saw him beat a shitty version of cell. One of the worse dragonball movies it has to be there with bio broly the only reason ppl like it is bc of dragonball hero type fanservice.

[@mistermaxie6487]

@@-canopus-513 Here's the thing. Vegeta said he was meditating when he was just sitting there on Beerus's Planet, and Goku was saying that he shouldn't be doing that. Keep in mind, Goku has done a lot of training before, and Piccolo shows that you can never really tell if somebody is meditating or just sleeping, so it kinda makes sense that Goku would be telling Vegeta to get off his ass and train, lmao. It makes Goku look goofy but not an idiot if you think about it.

[@richborn6700]

@@mistermaxie6487 Goku was taught to meditate during his training on Kamis lookout with popo. We even see him doing it several times in Z. The line in the movie makes no sense as Goku is well aware of the benefits of meditation and focus. It's like since Super came out they've dumbed down Goku more to the point he's like the abridged version

[@jermaine8573]

It's insane how Gohans power can just jump into big heights without intensely training as hard as his dad does and surpasses him and everyone else no problem

[@amuroray9115]

Plot

[@danny12d1]

@@amuroray9115 its literally been stated since he fought raditz, gtfo cringe boi

[@CMHobbies]

As a Piccolo fan, I loved this movie. It’s what I’ve been waiting for for years.

[@TheTwizted]

The thing I hate about scaling Gohan right now is that this movie was written when Broly was in production, so it was written way before the Moro or gronola arc started, so it’s hard to claim that the statement includes ultra ego vegeta, TUI goku and black frieza since like stated before super hero was written before these arcs even started even though it’s later in the timeline

[@egoistagatto7942]

black frieza came out like 1 week ago, Gohan was definitely done before and can't reach MUI

[@TheTwizted]

@@egoistagatto7942 super hero was also written while Broly was in production, the Moro arc didn’t come out until the Broly movie came out, around 3 weeks after it came out actually. So it’s pretty confusing

[@egoistagatto7942]

@@TheTwizted I always thought they were weaker than pre moro arc, now it seems kinda logic

[@TheTwizted]

@@egoistagatto7942 I would say Gohan and piccolo are stronger than their blue forms but weaker than their instinct forms on a logical standpoint

[@egoistagatto7942]

@@TheTwizted that makes sense

[@insertusername2603]

in all fairness, ultimate gohan after not training for a while does seem to have slight relativity to cell max

[@proudfatherofadeadweightso5715]

He was training

[@manuelmoralez2257]

He was training

[@insertusername2603]

@@manuelmoralez2257 didn’t he struggle to wear piccolo weights

[@insertusername2603]

@@proudfatherofadeadweightso5715 isn’t the entire point of piccolo letting pan get kidnapped to motivate gohan back to fighting and training?

[@manuelmoralez2257]

@@insertusername2603 nah he was surprised he only revealed he was training at the literal end of the movie

[@barthagen5721]

The effort that goes in to a video like this must be insane. Respect

[@curloscurlos3362]

Don’t show this guy any respect

[@Blach455]

this guy is not that guy, in fact he's a pendaflife

[@austinflight]

They needed another 10-15 minutes in this movie where cell absorbed the gamma that sacrificed himself and became complete, then give gohan an actual challenge

[@HybridSnake]

Glad to see Gohan and Piccolo given some love, but it is kind of hard to get invested long term when characters can just ascend to whatever power level needed from them. That said it is Dragonball so who cares.

[@coen071993]

I mean that always happens though right. They are always weaker than the opponent at first and then get stronger to beat their opponent. Obviously them being so far behind Goku and Vegeta and now getting this doesn't make sense. At least for piccolo it doesn't. Gohan has just always been able to do that. He went from basically nothing to the strongest by far against cell in no time when he was literally still a kid.

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

@Esteban Merced this is the perfect phrasing of why DragonBall sucks now. Plus the fights don't have heart anymore. Even in the Broly movie he took blow after blow but just grew stronger.

[@coen071993]

@@chinwenduizenwata6763 That basically always happened though? They all always took beatings and grew stronger.. either that and/or some kind of transformation.

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

@@coen071993 yeah I don't have a problem with getting beat up and growing stronger; I have a problem with getting beat up and not seeming like it's actually harming the person. Look at how Goku changed in the fight against Frieza, and how Vegeta changed as he battled on Namek. If both fights just had them tanking blow after blow, then getting stronger as the fight went on it'd be boring! The fact that they got hurt and needed to recover and strategize gave the fights some heart. Broly's fight didn't have any. Maybe stakes is a better word than heart now that I think about it 🤔

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

It makes sense when you think about it .. with Gohan it’s always been stated that it was going this way.. he’s had the strongest potential since episode 1 of Z against Radditz. The reason he has a gentle nature is to create a duality : “How can the strongest mortal in universe 7 be more focused on raising a family and being a pacifist ? “ W piccolo I see it as “compound interest” .. all that non stop training has been build up and bottle necked until Shenrons wish allowed it to be released and made into “Orange Piccolo”

[@TheBitingBat]

Gohan really is built different, hes been shown repeatedly to have higher potential than Goku and since BEAST is called a limit breaking potential releasing transformation it makes sense narratively for it to stack up to UI/UE

[@Joh-o1r]

No it doesn’t UE and UI are angel/god of destruction form there’s literally no way he’s at the level

[@raidenjeskar2823]

@@Joh-o1r just because it originates from the gods doesn't automatically make it stronger. Golden Frieza was Stronger Than super Saiyan God and Blue and he pulled that out of his ass

[@Joh-o1r]

@@raidenjeskar2823 I’m talking about UI/UE I don’t think gohan should be at that level

[@TheBitingBat]

@@Joh-o1r Gohan at Tournament of Power was already capable of throwing hands with golden Frieza and blue Goku with just Ultimate. If Beast Gohan is shown massively stronger, being able to utterly annihilate Cell Max who they outright say Goku and Vegeta would've struggled with then Beast should at least be as strong as Ultra Instinct Goku

[@Nightheart973]

@@Joh-o1r Idk like mentioned in the video in the movie cannon gohan rolls these forms. Also dont think they care what you feel like he should be...

[@darklordoreo6740]

Super Hero just reconfirmed that Gohan, in fact, has that dog in him Specifically, the beast.

[@akoskormendi9711]

I kinda find it hilarious that both the Gammas and Cell Max are downgrades of their original concepts. Android 17 and 18 have infinite power supplies, while the Gammas have a freaking charge. And Cell Max lacks everything that made Cell neigh invincible, his insane regeneration that comes from Piccolo, his insane battle sense and Zenkai boosts from the saiyans and his raw durability from Frieza and his father. Both the Gammas and Cell Max are only a threat because they are ridiculously powerful for absolutely no reason, otherwise they are literally beta versions of Gero's work. Cell Max is literally mechanical, maybe nanotech, instead of biomechanical as we can see from his torn off limb has metal coming out. It's literally an oversized Gamma. Like damn, Hedo didn't quite live up to Gero's genius. Cell would 100% be insulted that they named it after him, and added max, implying it is any better than he is.

[@jessepinkman5702]

Maybe it’s because Cell Max can oneshot Cell by looking at him

[@akoskormendi9711]

@@jessepinkman5702 Tbh with Frieza's and Saiyan Cells, Cell could surpass Cell Max with a month of training probably by Super logic. Also idk about one shot, unless it's a ki attack the size of Cell, he's just gonna heal right up from it. That's what makes Cell superior to Cell Max, who can't even regrow a limb, something that is effortless for Cell. I just really find it funny that they are worse versions of what came before, just on steriods.

[@bigchillin4216]

@@akoskormendi9711 "Cell would have been insulted" has me in tears lol. But you're right though 🤣

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

"PERFECTER CELL!" "Okay Yamcha, accurate, but tone it down."

[@epicdog3453]

@@jessepinkman5702 Cell was a better creation than cell max, he may be a lot weaker but it's because he took data's from goku,vegeta,frieza and ecc that was also a lot weaker. If Cell would have been created in the movie time line, he would have been a way stronger opponent than Cell Max due to his high IQ, Zenkai's boost, regeneration and all a lot of other threats Cell Max didn't had.

[@OrdinaryArgentinian]

I never thought I'd see the day when the sentence "Who would win? Gohan Blanco or Black Freeza?" would be unironically uttered.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

Holy fuck 🤣🤣🤣 I now hate Super.

[@dagosias]

Frieza Oscuro

[@er_xungoh]

Following that logic frieza should be called in spanish as well N'word frieza vs gohan blanco

[@Shooting_freak7]

@@er_xungoh it would be negroe frieza, not "n word" frieza

[@er_xungoh]

@@Shooting_freak7 u do realize its the same thing right?

[@viciousrich]

I think This is what Whis was talking about during Brolly's anger issuses moment, and maybe Vegeta touched on it breifly. Gohan tapped into that very form of power for Sayians, there are parallels between the Brolly and Gohan.

[@zeroa69]

Meaning he can do the whole monkey tranformation right into super sayain form but unlike broly he remains mentally stable. Im wondering if beast is going to be the precurser to ssj4.

[@crazywave6574]

Gohan is the allen iverson of dragon ball… the guy who dosent work on his craft much but will still drop u off while dropping 40 and makes it look somewhat effortless

[@shyguy7288]

I'm so glad Gohan gets his due strength again. Goku, Vegeta, and many more have commented several times on how Gohan has the greatest potential out of all saiyans.

[@discorabbit]

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work

[@Golden4156]

Yeah I love when gohan pulls bullshit out of his ass for no reason other than "mentor in twouble :(" Goku should be the one with the most potentional and strenght ffs

[@gun00b]

I always thought it would have been a cool creative idea to have the earth attacked while the tournament of power had been going on. The only one there, we know of, with any level of power to stop interstellar threats is... Yep, Yamcha. Would have been cool to see a fight scaled back to the Ginyu force- early Frieza power levels.

[@ALJR_YT]

I would've loved seeing that

[@shockvalue5086]

Goten and trunks

[@Justin.ol9]

Goten, trunks, buu

[@gun00b]

Shiiiiet. You're right. Oh well, sorry Yamcha, my man.

[@Izelor]

Ironically, the less powerful the characters were, the more interesting fights we had. Now it's all about big, flash explosions and repetitive animations.

[@stephen7587]

Regarding Gohan's aura tanking Cell Max's punch, keep in mind that the first fight of Goku VS Jiren, Jiren was able to do that vs Base Goku. BASE. GOKU. The instant he went SSJ his punches started to hit. They didn't even provoke a response till he went God, but they still bypassed his aura. This at least implies that the power difference between Gohan in this state and Cell Max is the same relative difference between Base Goku Pre Omen and Jiren

[@demiskus7030]

That's crazy

[@STG2022]

Explain more kind sir

[@itsm9818]

@@STG2022 Gohan= power level 1000000000. Cell Max= power level 1000000

[@bigpapan.g3245]

It’s not always a 1-1 difference though. It’s also based on how much energy the user is choosing to push out to stop those attacks. Jiren’s honest natural existing aura should rival UI Goku’s which by existing has better feats than Gohan Beast (if you’re going for a 1-1 example). Visually, Jiren put more effort into stopping SSG Goku than he did with both the ssbk20 Spirit Bomb and SSBE Vegeta’s final flash.

[@CertainlyCynical]

@@bigpapan.g3245 this is very true

[@thatguyrob2dope128]

Gohan's always been my favorite character from DBZ... I'm glad they are finally giving him his roses again

[@edwardcui7535]

I still think the original cell has the most potential out of any character in dragon ball. He should become more powerful than android 17 in just his base perfect form. That already puts him on ssb level, and that’s low balling him. Stack some saiyan/frieza potential on top of that and some training and it’s game over for everyone. That’s why they’ll never truly bring cell back, they nerfed him by making him brainless. If he ever does come back though i can totally see a scenario where he starts beating everyone up and vegeta asks if he has a new transformation to go along with all that new power, and cell simply responds with “i don’t need to transform, i’m already perfect”

[@RuneKatashima]

He won't need it, but he will transform. Because that's all Super is about.

[@Marvleo_05]

I thought he was going to absorb the two androids and become Perfect Cell Max

[@OldSchoolZ-wy2yx]

And incapable of regeneration, which was disappointing. I was hoping he would come back as Perfet Cell Max and a Zenkai boost after exploding

[@88K-d6h]

Imperfect Cell and Namek Vegeta were the smartest fighters by far. Had no ego, resourceful, and ruthless. But as soon as they got power ups they became slaves to their own ego

[@themidwestking]

Great comment like" I'm already perfect" I'd love to see this, you win the internet.

[@LazyKingAus]

I think people forget gohan had his potential unlocked. He is strong just practices mind training instead of body which is fine

[@blank1387]

All this power scaling is now pure bs

[@delgande]

@@blank1387 here's the real power scaling: hero is strong guy who beats henchmen, big bad guy is stronger and gives hero a hard time, hero gets stronger due to [powerup x] and defeats bad guy Characters are as strong as they need to be and "growth rates" are inconsistent and grow exponentially on screen. Piccolo gets like 10x stronger in 1 year between raditz and nappa while he only gets like 3-4x stronger in 7 years after cell games. Or goes like 2nd for frieza level to android 20 level(over 100x) in 3 years for androids Point is if the plot needs a guy to he strong enough then they will be

[@ZeroGundam18]

I think you forgot. You wrote he got his potential unlocked. So theoretically he shouldn't get stronger. If he does I would like to believe it's through training and not another rage moment. His potential has already been unlocked twice. Once by guru and again by elder Kai. How many ass pull does he have. At least Broly got the legendary treatment. People who say Gohan beast is the strongest is just dumb. The movie is just a remake of the cell saga kinda. Made just for cash. Nothing wrong with that though. My head canon Gohan is slightly above mystic Gohan. Still under SS God. Red hair version.

[@Cataclysm999]

@@ZeroGundam18 Power unlocked doesn't mean he is always at his strongest Power unlocked is meant that he COULD tap into his power prowess easier and faster than others And gohan alone was VERY strong Do not forget he is a human/saiyan hybrid with his POTENTIAL UNLOCKED That's exactly why Goten or Trunks won't be as strong as Gohan I mean it's kinda an asspull if he just transforms and transcends into other forms I do understand too why people don't believe Mystic Form is kinda at SSB level But you forget The more emotional the saiyan gets the stronger the saiyan form You already saw it on vegeta Slap Bulma once His SUPER SAIYAJIN FORM IS STRONGER THAN SSJ3 Now imagine what a Crybaby or maybe an more emotional saiyan can do With his UNTAPPED POTENTIAL THAT HAS BEEN UNLOCKED And do not forget He is an saiyan he does grow while he fights because he instinctively does enjoy it Now to the Gammas I do not believe they are at Blues level As you can see gohan does pretty much toys with him when he Transforms into his Mystic/Ultimate Form Just as Piccolo when he has his potential unlocked The only factor here is that they have unlimited stamina And this does A LOT Like crazy You don't have to be strong Only be on par with your enemy and you won Slightly weaker you won Slightly stronger you still win Because you can stretch the fight as far as you want

[@lolcall5295]

Krillin also got his potential unlocked, wonder why he didn't just became some golden frieza tier character huh?

[@katrinaheller7664]

The whole story needs to be redone from scratch. DBZ wasn't perfect, but this is FAR worse.These arent even real transformations anymore, just different color palettes. And the fact that MUI (another asspull, btw) was so hyped and built up to be the ultimate form yet gets 1 shotted by Frieza who ‘trained for 10 years’ and is now randomly on Gods’ level. These later developments where Frieza trains a little and is able to catch up to the saiyans completely diminishes the weight of his dynamic with them earlier in the story. Why would Frieza be afraid of the saiyans of planet Vegeta if just a few months of training makes him SSJ God tier (meanwhile, they were insects to him even then)? Or the fact that Gohan is also now randomly above Goku with another "rage" asspull transformation, but Toriyama is still gonna throw him under a bus by the next arc (just wait and see). Everything that happened in that movie felt completely unearned. Or the fact that Jiren isnt even high tier anymore, despite being the ‘mortal who was stronger than a god of destruction.’ Or the fact that Beerus is still above all of this because he's the God of the main characters universe. I'm not talking about Vegeta, is better. You know, honestly, the creator doesn’t take it that seriously so the fans shouldn’t.

[@beenwoke2457]

Yea it’s all bs now. Everyone just getting stronger from bs power ups with very little training or from just making a wish like wtf how lazy can u get

[@MrDirtyVisage]

I've given up tryna understand DB power scaling for a long time now. If frieza can train for 10 years (10 days in hyperbolic time chamber) and instantly become stronger, why can't Goku and Vegeta just do the same? Not to mention how Underutilized the DRAGON BALLS ARE! You telling me Piccolo was able to just wish for his untapped potential to be awakened and proof, now he's supposedly on par with Goku and Vegeta... Just str8 nonsense

[@connoc5078]

The movie very strongly suggests that gohan isn't actually that close to current goku and vegeta, never mind freeza. Cell max himself isn't actually even as strong as broly considering how he performs against people like krillin, 18, etc.

[@origon4477]

@@connoc5078 Someone hasn't been paying attention tsk tsk

[@SharpX0]

I totally agree but how is MUI an asspull?

[@odeleonslypher7783]

great video and Gohan for the win

[@Lingel-Sama]

Bro i love Dragonball but it’s honestly annoying that goku and Vegeta have to Train with the gods/angels every day for years to get so strong and gohan spars with piccolo for 5mins and stomps them in every aspect, granola makes a wish with normal ass dragonballs and can stomp them too.. it just doesn’t feel right anymore

[@latinalover26]

Granola ha e to a price to do that

[@egoistagatto7942]

@@latinalover26 granolah paid the price for one of the better wishes ever with fake ass dragon ball, doesn't make sense still

[@latinalover26]

@@egoistagatto7942 it's not a fake dragon ball

[@egoistagatto7942]

@@latinalover26 they're dragon balls from wish, they are fake to me

[@latinalover26]

@@egoistagatto7942 so it's just headcanon ok

[@KAB734]

Pretty sure the director said that the movie and manga are separate timelines so I think it's fair to say broly is the scale

[@devantewinston4865]

They did he didn’t research that well enough they literally said this happened after the broly movie so no Moro or granaloh arc plus gohan was training after top in the manga so that would already contradict the movie

[@kaifly30]

@@devantewinston4865 no this was after, in the manga, anime, and broly movie bulla and pan are still little babies and goten and trunks still haven’t hit their puberty yet In the super hero movie pan is 3 and goten and trunks hit their puberty Pan was born on may 779 and bulla was born in 780 that same year the T.O.P took place and that same year broly came to earth, so this makes bulla a couple months old and pan a few months older depending on the month during the age of 780, So if pan is 3 years old in super hero this obviously shows that this is about 2 or 3 years after the broly movie. The moro and granola arcs happened shortly after broly

[@devantewinston4865]

@@kaifly30 the problem is they basically state the last battle to happen on earth was broly when that’s not true if this is aligned either manga because the Moro fight happened on earth aswell they have came out and said this is a different timeline the manga and this movie don’t follow each other

[@kaifly30]

@@devantewinston4865 if they mentioned Moro, granola, and gas most of the people at the movie prob wouldn’t even know who they are, bcuz realistically not everyone reads the manga most ppl wait for things to get animated which is why they weren’t mentioned. Everyone has seen the broly movie already which is why they said this is after broly.

[@kaifly30]

@@devantewinston4865 besides it wouldn’t make sense to all of the sudden make a new timeline and not mention it at all in the movie. For example when they introduced future trunks he stated that he came from a future timeline, but not once in super hero was it mentioned about a new timeline.

[@VforVengeance159]

I was talking about this all this time, they just made the fan made Gohan Blanco, canon haha! I just wish they just had him stay with black hair but as blown out as his Beast mode and just red eyes. After all Gohan stated before that he wants to attain another level using his human blood side.

[@Alteringrealitystudios]

Good twist that the Gammas realized they weren't Heroes and then turned into Heroes.

[@レゴシ-r4f]

Cool how earthlings are able with just their technology to create beings relative to MUI Goku in strenght- it still baffles me.

[@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979]

I mean bulma invented time travel in future trunks and the original timeline

[@JakeJustGreat]

I like the idea honestly. It gives people without crazy power levels the ability to shine by just using their mind. It’s a whole other strength that you don’t see very often in the Dragon Ball Z/ Super franchise.

[@randomportugal3713]

@@JakeJustGreat it’s just Retarded 😭

[@レゴシ-r4f]

@@JakeJustGreat same, I think it's a really cool addition

[@AhmOOO]

@@JakeJustGreat I agree, but its weird how universal beings can be created that “easily”

[@digitaladventurer2142]

I don't think Beast Gohan is as strong as we think. I did already make this argument on another video but honestly I think he's probably around Blue Evolved or UI Sign at best. Ultimate Gohan was fairly outclassed by Kaio-Ken Blue Goku during their sparing match right before the ToP. He did pressure Goku yes and they were both still holding back but Goku still won fairly easily showing Ultimate Gohan is still below Kaio-Ken Blue Goku. Then Goku unlocked both UI sign and Mastered UI which were both far stronger then Blue Kaio-Ken. Now Cell Max isn't as strong as he seems. First since he's a berserker type character he isn't holding back he just rampages at full power from the start like Kid Buu and somehow weaker characters like Krillin and Fat Gotenks are able to not only dodge but in Gotenks case actually damage Cell Max. If Cell max were really stronger then guys like Jiren and UI Goku or even on par lets be serious Krillin and Gotenks and probably even 18 should have died for sure so again overall IMO Beast Gohan still isn't the strongest. I think most of us still have are SSJ2 Nostalgia glasses on and are being Bias

[@TomSNC]

Did you honestly think they were going to kill any if the people you talked about in a movie just to show off Cells power? Come on man you know how DragonBall powers work

[@digitaladventurer2142]

@@TomSNC uh actually people dying is usually the cause of great power ups in dragonball. my argument is Cell Max and thus Beast Gohan aren't really as strong as some make them out to be due to the fact nobody died

[@hunnidshottas1808]

@@digitaladventurer2142 well prove that to me I ain’t sayin u lyin but I’m sayin prove it…bc toriyama the writer say other wise

[@Dim-Icon]

Gohan literally says in the movie he doesn’t think Goku and Vegeta would have been able to beat Cell Max. Piccolo also comments in their power. All the promotional material and even Toriyama claim Gohan is stronger. You don’t have to like it or agree with it but you’re just using head canon that isn’t backed up by the actual product.

[@jdennis867]

​@@Dim-Icon and how would gohan know how strong goku and vegeta are? gohan doesn't posses God ki so he won't be able to sense goku or vegeta when they use their god forms.

[@Christ_the_only_way777]

Just imagine if he kept training and goes beyond his limits everytime and never loses the encouragement of saving earth and the people he loves. Just imagine, just imagine.

[@Amirisphere]

He won't be losing that anytime soon.

[@pfunk6945]

I love it when you use the word "fold" to describe an ass whoopin'. That made my day. 🤣

[@TailRunnerOPSpec]

Can Hedo detect God Ki? How did he create the androids relative to them? Regardless, this power boost is way too massive for me to take seriously.

[@brolylook662]

To be fair Gero didn't exactly detect ki either. He just saw their fight and assumed how strong they would be, and if hedo was watching them fight he would've seen ssj gogeta and broly punch out of reality so he has something to go off at least.

[@ChristSaves984]

For broly vs gogeta he can detect broly aura because it isn’t god ki, and for Moro and granola he can detect them as well since it was never stated they had divine energy.

[@shaquillesommerville4060]

@@brolylook662 To also be fair, Gero was still spying on them even when they had a whole 3yr warnings from Trunks (as showcase with Cell) so it’s more than likely that the last time Gero and 19 view the data, it might be from the Saiyan arc however the computer would have knowledge of how strong they are as Super Saiyan

[@TailRunnerOPSpec]

@@ChristSaves984 Where is it said that he detected Granola? They were off-planet. And Moro definitely had divine Ki.

[@musaratjahan7954]

Don't need God Ki to be on that level. Suppressed Jiren was slapping around Goku

[@Azao-chan]

Oh my God yes! I love seeing Gohan finally getting stronger and on top of that, his form looks clean as hell. Gohan is my favourite character in all of Dragon Balls, he deserves respect. And I am also hyped about Piccolo and Broly getting stronger, I want to see Broly's full potential.

[@spritvio639]

The writers need to respect him first. Man keeps repeating the same problems and learning the same lessons they have no idea what they are doing with him.

[@AdmiraHax]

I don't know what y'all see in that form. Gray hair + red eyes seems like a combination a fan artist would come up with. And the hair... it looks beyond silly. It is too big and makes Gohan's head appear smaller. The fact they pursue resemblance towards teen Gohan is ridiculous.

[@breakablehate2207]

@@AdmiraHax super Saiyan 3 has no eyebrows 😭💀

[@Heaven0854]

@@AdmiraHax lol I mean given other Saiyan forms your comment is kinda outdated.

[@AdmiraHax]

@@breakablehate2207 I am not saying I like Super Saiyan 3 though. I just criticize Beast.

[@tythesithari4356]

Honestly, I just want to take all these literally because outside of Vegeta Goten is my favorite character and I like the idea of fat Gotenks being some Jiren level character. Obviously I know that's not the case but I want to see him get a push. Trunks/Future Trunks already had his chance to shine.

[@justtony3108]

Who knows at this point with hyrbid potential. They purposely had to make a reason as to why Goten and trunks couldn't fuse and dunk on cell max in ssj3. Even a base fatenks was enough to crack his head

[@TheDarkMaster312]

@@justtony3108 Cell Max was heavily weakened. The out of universe explanation says they didn't want anyone but Gohan and Piccolo to transform so they had the spotlight. Goku, Vegeta, Gotenks and Broly refused to transform this movie.

[@hunnidshottas1808]

Lol wat is so likable about goten?

[@fernyberni1840]

When I saw this movie I was so so hyped seeing that transformation and when he smiled like he was evil just made it 100x better