Goku VS Saitama | The Honest Truth

In this video, I go over Son Goku from Dragon Ball / Z / Super and put him against Saitama from One-Punch Man.
[Includes information from the One Punch Man manga, anime, web-comic, guidebooks, blu-ray Compus mini-guide, ONEBUKURO 2, Dragon Ball / Z/ Super manga, anime, Daizenshuu, and author statements / interviews from both]
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[@SethTheProgrammer]

ok

[@rayquaza4924]

Ok seth

[@kamixakadio2441]

hi

[@TrueUIQuan]

Alright

[@TheMetalheadWeeb]

ok

[@Spider-K]

Yes

[@ClydeYouTuber]

Hands DOWN one of the best videos you've ever made. The Goku vs Saitama debate has been 100% settled, and you got my like on the video.

[@Artwolf007]

Facts

[@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660]

Yessir

[@benamv3943]

Clyde upload again 😭😭

[@TaIIer]

Really enjoyed it !

[@maurod6714]

If you guys don’t know he pisses his pants when someone calls him chuck

[@esteban8471]

"A hero nobody knew vs a villain nobody knew, having a limit breaking death match that nobody would see." Idk why, but the way he said that made me feel a bit of hype.

[@durant8006]

For real that was epic as f

[@williamstewart9042]

Honestly was cool

[@DoubleAAce]

Mikasa chops erens head off

[@jjohnson6382]

That was said pretty nice.

[@MrSeta]

@KIEL WILLIAMS chimera ant killua and gon (not adult form) absolutely wrecks them both, they have more speed and power

[@truealpha5676]

“That Joke starts to not be a Joke anymore” the amount of times I’ve said that in the past about OPM.

[@amuroray9115]

I thought Seth already covered this topic a long time ago....is this a reupload or am I just drunk?

[@funkykat9890]

@@amuroray9115 He probably did but people still just didn’t get it.

[@amuroray9115]

@@funkykat9890 damn

[@truealpha5676]

Nah you’re not lol he did a debunk on God Goku vs Saitama 4 years ago

[@amuroray9115]

@@truealpha5676 okay.

[@christianskylark]

The statement " almost a real fight" could also mean sitama was having fun since Boros could take more hits. Boros by his own admission at the end of the fight says he never stood a chance in the slightest

[@OfficialBrainTheory]

Exactly

[@OfficialBrainTheory]

But let’s face it we all know goku doesn’t stand a chance against saitama still.

[@Khankhan-gb1mn]

@One Piece MC fax

[@egeozoran7417]

@One Piece MC Dude boros was above star level and he said he didn't have the slightest chance against Saitama. Even If Goku wins Saitama is much more than star level.

[@Exonepersue]

He got stronger

[@Omni-dude162]

Real Saitama fans don't mind Saitama losing, cus if he lose in a fight he'll finally be happy.

[@VegaFic]

True

[@Baltiquee]

@Nikola Hristov wanna debate?

[@Baltiquee]

@Nikola Hristov okay then lmao

[@justsomedude7874]

@Nikola Hristov people saying he used 1% of his power are just trying to give a scale, you can't have a percentage of infinity but it's just them trying to show the amount of strength he used is nothing compared to his "full" strength - again an impossible metric because infinity

[@user-vi5es4qg7u]

@Nikola Hristov Didnt Boros say that he doesnt feel the limit of Saitama's power?

[@TruXavia]

The fact that people think All Might could possibly defeat either of these men is insane.

[@agentshino]

Mha fans lol

[@uow1313]

Its like saying superman can beat them both

[@TruXavia]

@@uow1313 fr

[@MakaveliTv35]

@@uow1313 certain versions of goku beat Superman and certain versions of Superman beat goku it’s not as wild as you trynna make it seem

[@tax2598]

@@MakaveliTv35 ye a lot of Superman forms can but we are ok with that but it’s still not as bad as the almight or deku arguments

[@Syyaaannnn]

The Camera Man stronger than both of them. He survived every battle shown Edit: Do I seriously have to put a message that "English" isn't my main language? Cmon people have some dignity.

[@Perchance7077]

Cmon now that’s obvious, camera man can go to places before the character even thinks about going there, he can time leap, he has super speed

[@appletizer8415]

isn't the camera man like the ultimate enemy?

[@alexhogan9837]

The cameraman left the timeline before Zeno erased it though. Attack power: none Durability: Universal but probably not multiverse Speed: At least as fast as Whis or Dyspo's burst speed; can teleport And time travel, omniscience, immunity to time stop

[@mekogaming8974]

The cameraman will film people who have been killed and/or destroyed and would just be like "oh this is a nice shot!"

[@ExternalEclips305]

Camera “ man “

[@DarthZ01]

genos is the real shonen protagonist in opm. -he has a tragic backstory that still drives him today -he has a unique, edgy design and many named attacks -he has a hero mentality, and willing to sacrifice himself to save others -he gets stronger after each fight -he can easily gain recognition, friends and allies. even tatsumaki has acknowledged him which is a huge feat in itself. the issue is he showed up in episode 2. level 1 genos showed up but the enemies were already level 2. like imagine goku just wasnt there to fight piccolo, die, and train with king kai. instead his first appearance is against nappa and vegeta. no kaioken, no 9001 power level. he gets f ed up THEN trains with king kai, so now hes strong enough to beat vegeta...except now he is up against frieza and hasnt unlocked super sayain...

[@SonicHedgehog1991]

Then why isn't it called Genos?

[@ZelZ-.-z]

@@SonicHedgehog1991 Cause anime isn't named like that Dragon ball isn't called Goku.

[@SonicHedgehog1991]

@@ZelZ-.-z and Zelda isn't called Link.

[@Coolmar15]

@@SonicHedgehog1991 and Metroid isn't called Samus.

[@strangegrape]

@@Coolmar15 and spongebob isn’t called spo- wait a minute

[@sarveshnathan7559]

Seth is better at ending a debate than Death Battle "Let's end this debate once and for all"? More like "Let's create even more controversy than before"

[@yonisaskhiryear1399]

😭😭😭😭 also is that’s bardock art form dokkan

[@GogitoGTHD]

@@yonisaskhiryear1399 no

[@TheMetalheadWeeb]

@@PzDallas it’s the real winner but what will make more people angry

[@DeathCrunch-pl7mq]

Death battle literally just Googled a picture of a character and made up powers for them to piss people off for click throughs.

[@yonisaskhiryear1399]

@@GogitoGTHD sorry I made a lot of errors read it agian

[@Chuck]

Master Chief with dual Needlers> Goku, Superman, and Saitama.

[@davidminciunescu2993]

L

[@theunknownpunch3444]

Lol

[@roytheviewer4893]

Devin Booker>Everybody except for Larry Fitzgerald

[@fabianvidrio370]

😂

[@SeshDiego23]

W

[@asapmoa7598]

No matter how strong they are, they will never beat the scalpers in getting a Nvidia graphics card.

[@glizzynator5258]

Those mofos be omnipresent I swear to god bro.

[@tubefile100]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅🤣😅😅🤣🤣😂

[@Jedthm]

Nope tried using it and my pc exploded

[@zereth2792]

im surprised this pc meme made it here lol but fr

[@Supahdenning]

massively ftl reaction speed and prep time

[@Scrimblyz]

Saitama winning every fight: *Eternal Depression* Saitama finally losing in a fight: *Overjoyed Happiness*

[@drexkami8547]

I don't know about that. You should read the new release.

[@TAY_UPNEXT]

@@drexkami8547 u don't know he wants to lose

[@kerrespino]

@@drexkami8547 his legit best friend died ofc he feels empty m8 if it was regular fight then it would be overjoyed happiness

[@drexkami8547]

@@kerrespino read the new chapter he legit did not care lol

[@kerrespino]

@@drexkami8547 he did he legit did lol

[@oeuf2360]

OPM fans: His name is one punch man so that means he one punches everyone Invincible: You sure about that?

[@onepain2217]

Invisible aren't on saitama or goku level

[@ComplexedUsername]

nobody says that also he can one punch anyone because that’s the joke

[@donflamingo5685]

@@onepain2217 you're missing the point...his name is invincible yet he isn't invincible physically. Just as saitama os called oke punch man. (However invincibles will is invincible)

[@sdlittleboss]

@@ComplexedUsername Did you not watch the video or sumn

[@ComplexedUsername]

I did it’s dogshit

[@harlem3195]

Saitama: The only character who is a side character in his own anime

[@rubylovesyousm]

giorno:

[@Aziz.500]

@@rubylovesyousm giorno is main character...

[@jojonta2119]

@@Aziz.500 that's the joke bruh

[@146love7]

Jesus loves you

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

@@Aziz.500 not really.

[@killjoy7346]

Saitama would get emotionally hurt, when goku powers up he get more hair or different collors hair, saitama got bald and is bothered by that🤣🤣

[@inferno_yt224]

Lol

[@daemonsolochannel2991]

LMAO 🤣, but still Saitama base clap Goku MUI

[@killjoy7346]

@@daemonsolochannel2991 you really believe that? Saitama cannot even fly and is rather slow

[@daemonsolochannel2991]

@@killjoy7346 He can, he just don't know. In season 3 he Fight Orochi and fly away.

[@daemonsolochannel2991]

@@killjoy7346 Saitama base clap Goku MUI

[@passiveagressivemaskman1730]

I find Scaling characters like Saitama is quite difficult when they’ve only fought other things that quale in true comparison to their own character. E.g: Asriel. He is the GOD OF HYPERDEATH but the only person he’s ever fought was a child (tbf that child had some sort of time reset with the whole save files thing, it’s complicated). If it still doesn’t make sense, Picture this: A god named “Bob” who can do anything he likes squashes a caterpillar, while another person named “Fred” kills a cow. A cow is stronger than a caterpillar so does that mean Fred (who has only beaten a cow) could defeat Bob (who has only squashed a caterpillar)? The answer is, probably not.

[@lonedoeseverything1744]

This is like a real good reason why facing characters against eachother is kinda stupid. You won't ever know what a character is capable of until they do it.

[@TheBetter_LeechPilot]

Ah look my boi Asriel getting some recognition

[@pablogarcia6188]

@@lonedoeseverything1744 I mean the whole point of a debate is to take what a charter has previously done and compare it to another once something changes. Like is sataima gose and kills litteraly god than like sure sataima is stronger but from what they’ve shown so far goku winning

[@lonedoeseverything1744]

@@pablogarcia6188 no, what I meant by my comment is, their worlds are diffrent, so one world's version of strength are different from one another. Goku could punch Saitama and nothing might happen, what I'm saying is their power scaling could be diffrent in their respective universes. Let me put it this way, if Jerry from Tom and Jerry had a high power scale compared to goku's world, Jerry would one shot goku. Am I making sense now?

[@lonedoeseverything1744]

@@pablogarcia6188 using this logic, we could never know which would win in a fight Because we can't scale a verses power scaling.

[@dedgamingchannel3748]

This video isn't "could one punch man beat Goku" it's "the fans need to respect one punch man with some Goku in the mix"

[@obiwannadoobie3238]

Lol for real

[@explorercompass0167]

It's " fan has to understand that narrative position doesn't mean power level"

[@undying1578]

@@explorercompass0167 well when I first watched/read opm I first had thought saitama would low key one shot the entire fictional verse even if he's not a gag.

[@undying1578]

@@explorercompass0167 i thought this due to the show's name and when saitama was out there shitting on every character in opm.

[@joabjohnstone5217]

Literally the biggest cop out video I have ever seen you make basically the character is whatever the writer wants them to be congrats on your stunning analysis

[@Tid55584]

One Punch Man is an excellent subversion of the Shonen genre. I'm honestly really impressed with the author's ability to pull something like this off in such a compelling way.

[@nnightkingj]

Isn't opm seinen

[@smithjones2442]

low Testosterones man

[@randombird6145]

Theres more than good writing its the animation and drawing, opm manga is godly.

[@beetleR6]

Mob Psycho is another good series

[@emilizlim1802]

@@nnightkingj seinen that's a parody of the shonen genre

[@CarthusDojo]

This video is a gag so it’s right by default

[@deltafrequency8538]

I love your what ifs man, keep up the good work

[@joku7587]

Hey I have a question, is it possible for you to make a what if goku was sent or lived in the one punch man verse?

[@doug.1926]

@@joku7587 he would dog everyone. It wouldn’t be entertaining.

[@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660]

Lol

[@calvinripley9093]

Lol

[@samueldesmondtuah1421]

Dude Saitama story is pretty sad if you think about it. It is like a open world Player Character having level up to a point that the Game is no longer fun or challenging but for him it is his life and he can't exit game.

[@YOhansakuya]

Damn sorta like in prototype 2

[@dokatafrinz1349]

@@YOhansakuya same thing for prototype 1

[@sohn7767]

I liked the saitama vs goku discussions, until the people who literally don’t read the series started joining the argument.

[@cygnusprime6728]

Seriously, oftentimes it'll be casuals who just want to troll Dragonball fans or try to sound smart with their moronic "hE's A gAg ChArAcTeR hE cAn'T lOsE" arguments. They aren't even real fans of OPM and wouldn't be able to name 2 characters with a gun to their head.

[@MD-ex7cg]

@@cygnusprime6728 garou, tatsumaki

[@erenkruger6986]

@@cygnusprime6728 it honestly depends on the situation

[@erenkruger6986]

@@cygnusprime6728 if db had Saitama's rights then it's their choice maybe he would be just like arale. If one had Goku's rights then saitama would win here because the show is called one punch man

[@erenkruger6986]

@@cygnusprime6728 also Saitama is infinite 1. He broke his limiter(infinite potential like goku) 2. He Can't get any stronger. 3. One said that he reached his peak strength and saitama told king about it. 4. If you break your limiter you can grow as strong as you want. 5. Saitama can't get any stronger because infinite plus X will always remain INFINITE. 6 He got strong with a weak regiment in just 3 years that's gag

[@saitama3678]

I wish I could meet this Goku guy He seems strong

[@metalanian3594]

Ya he is big strong but you are also

[@clouds8439]

@@metalanian3594 "He is big strong" lolololol

[@sandersGG]

You Met your match prepared to get one shooted like you always wanted

[@Kidwithcommonsense]

@@sandersGGBruh ! Goku Will Beat Saitama . Easy

[@louiseloloheafrost5999]

@@Kidwithcommonsense just stfu we know

[@JoJo-yw6ew]

When the world needed him he was there

[@thehairylarry]

But he uploaded like a week ago

[@JoJo-yw6ew]

@@thehairylarry nah it’s because I can send people this video if they try to say sum dumb stuff

[@Mark-et6lq]

@@JoJo-yw6ew yup

[@fiery_agency]

A man of culture I see

[@hendrewpenie8640]

@@JoJo-yw6ew that's appealing to authority but okay

[@SonicHedgehog1991]

"Saitama is stronger than everything." "Goku can beat anyone." "Saitama can't kill a mosquito." Goku vs mosquito when?

[@Tyler_with_a_gun]

actually he did kill the mosquito later in the episode, many people don't know that it's surprising

[@shiroi6043]

Lol people scale characters through comedy scenes

[@honeybunchhh5745]

Saitama versus needle when?

[@piseni794]

Saitama ve chi-chi when?

[@notraven00]

mosquito stomps

[@GamerSYD]

Title: "The Honest Truth" Viewers: So you've been lying to us this whole time huh...

[@WingoLandmonster]

Yea, i was just gonna point that out...

[@unfunnyman5371]

cant believe he did us dirty in the past man,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[@unfunnyman5371]

@my spirit digimon is rareraremon no.

[@notasimp2734]

@my spirit digimon is rareraremon no they don’t breed they lay eggs

[@thebelowaveragesaibamen3286]

@my spirit digimon is rareraremon no, they must be similar to saiyan biology

[@poggersfrog]

don't let this distract you from the fact that bungee gum has the properties of rubber and gum

[@morgansboobies]

ok and

[@gamingmoyai3950]

Wait, do you mean that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?

[@poggersfrog]

@@gamingmoyai3950 yeah, i mean that bungee gum has the properties of rubber and gum

[@Rahul-bl8ji]

@@poggersfrog so you're saying that bungee gum has the properties of rubber and gum huh?

[@poggersfrog]

@@Rahul-bl8ji yep, i am indeed claiming that bungee gum has both the properties of rubber and gum

[@stephenrogoff]

Goku and saitama have never defeated fred flintstone.

[@ghkezsw2542]

They can’t Fred is omnipotent

[@Huddywuddy77]

That’s what I’m saying. Like there so weak

[@ザカリー-s5v]

Or you know...our lord Shaggy

[@ibraheem.4200]

Mr.Bean will beat saitama and goku while using 0.000000001% of his power

[@masterjasper2084]

@@ibraheem.4200 I was about to say that 😂

[@epic_soup779]

Great video, perfectly sums up my thoughts about power scaling characters that don't go 100%

[@223muey]

Seth: if someone put a gun to my head and told me to answer who would win this is what I’d say... * debates with potential murder for 20 minutes*

[@blackg.o.a.t7571]

i was just about to comment that lmao

[@Tarnished5Leaf]

The Takamura point would have a Saitama Tard Bussin the Trigger 🤣

[@qoinen]

😂😂

[@esteban8471]

While simultaneously pulling out clips from their respective animes, manga panels and screenshots of interviews.

[@justsomeguywhocommentforfu5699]

Goku: I'm the stronger Saitama : no I'm the stronger Cameraman: AMATEUR!!!

[@yuuotosaka181]

A new one!!! Why are there so many of you

[@jaydenthezoahking8473]

Lol, sonic surpassed the cameraman

[@Omgsanti640]

T H E S T R O N G E R

[@colorsbro7047]

Cameraman : ÆMÆTERÆSU

[@zetcube4728]

@@yuuotosaka181 Just some guy who broke his mustache 😂

[@siriusprdxz]

“Goku wins bc he has family” -Dom Toretto

[@user-pe2xj5dr9r]

i agree best argument here

[@obe22099]

Hi fam

[@shallbric6160]

Family.

[@lolstudio811]

The answer is family

[@JustBippin]

111

[@Ultimaus]

I know this video is a bit older now but... I think this was a very fair assessment. Saitama written to his most absurd rendition I believe is truly terrifying especially now that we have seen god enhanced garou deploy space time interactions against saitama and was nullified but what I'm going to call reality warping taijutsu. Murata and one are actually shaping new realities for our minds to be blown in. We don't give enough credit to Dragonball because the balls themselves are too hax. If we remember the Z arc where Goku literally dies and Gohan transcends Goku's feats to defeat cell (as many of us remember as the best z arc). During this time... This was the first time this concept was ever featured. The main character was actually superseded in power by an ally. I dare say we allowed ourselves to say yeah in that moment Gohan was stronger than Goku. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter, it drew a dramatic effect that really changed the mentality of how stories could be written. I believe one punch is on a similar trajectory, where we are in for a ride to be shown... It's not our intent just for Saitama to display more feats but rather the thrill of an event so enjoyable it may introduce a new concept we never even fathomed in our minds. I truly think opm deserves full credit to the kind of genre that it's presented as. Hopefully this video sways a bigger audience to it if anything.

[@mozzarellacustard7414]

Dragon ball fans: lots of statistics, some history, and years of preparation. One punch man fans: Fist go boom.

[@Nick-uf3he]

Not really I mean half the fandom will just say goku solos

[@PAINBODEE]

@@Nick-uf3he kinda goes without saying

[@eastwoodtwumbarima7980]

@@Nick-uf3he they r just trolling

[@fwcrosski]

@@Nick-uf3he same with the opm fandom literally their entire fandom is he can one punch ☠️

[@lunamptv]

@@Nick-uf3he that is true tho Although I agree that isn't the most intelligent response

[@ShadowthaOni]

As soon as I saw the title I thought “Seth just wants to watch the weebs kill each other”

[@goodpol5022]

@@SonGokuuuuuuu calm down my guy

[@Civa.]

@@SonGokuuuuuuu it is for weebs lol

[@Civa.]

@@SonGokuuuuuuu no ur not lol

[@goodpol5022]

@@SonGokuuuuuuu Dude! you opened this reply section with a racial slur and called me a “dummy” when I asked to turn it down

[@pillarmenn1936]

@@goodpol5022 his name is Goku dude. I don't think there's a brain in there at all

[@kingjordan2105]

This was absolutely perfect the debate should be over.This 100% makes sense

[@jawaun1875]

I just started the video but I believe it is currently impossible to scale Saitama’s full power so we can’t say if he wins or loses

[@rem3934]

Theirs no possible way to even scale him near solar system even with full strength

[@jawaun1875]

@@rem3934 u can’t scale him at all lol

[@Mandutumuch619]

@@jawaun1875 yes you can Seth just did it Saitama isn’t even planet buster he has no chance against goku

[@Ricin.]

@@jawaun1875 ok with THE CURRENT power we see Sairam use Goku claps him

[@cliff__]

it would be nice if you made another video talking about this, with the recent happenings in opm causing quite the war.

[@jon-es2895]

Goku: I’m the strongest Saitama: no me “AMATEURS!” Everyone: huh?? Ramen guy and farmer with shotgun: *AMATEURS!!!*

[@jibgaming3247]

Mumen rider: pathetic

[@pickles5662]

The fly: Excuse me?

[@eclipseter3656]

S abdomen is the strongest they beat Yamaha the ultimate being

[@kevinfagan6460]

Rice farm guy be like 🤠🍙🍙🍙🍙🍙🍙🍙🍙🍙🍘 Goku dies

[@marypires310]

Yamcha: :/

[@fred2995]

Feels like this debate has been going on for decades Lmaoo

[@KingJinzo2125]

It almost has been a decade. One punch man came out in either 2013 or 2014 (Ik this cuz the manga was out before I graduated from hs in 2014) so it’s what, 7-8 years old now? Edit: so the og webcomic actually came out 2009 so this debate has been going on for more than a decade now

[@ComplexedUsername]

ancient times

[@powerjolt7215]

Fr. Feels like it's been going on as long as Superman vs Goku..

[@unknownvariable9239]

Even though there’s no reason, Goku’s feats dunk on Saitama

[@au7923]

This debate has been going on for years lmao.

[@DQMaster777]

Kid Goku broke a manga panel making him interdimensional + Gag levels.

[@tabeebwasitdian2658]

@@Yo-fc8gu its the most early ones

[@pininja4981]

The gag part. Since db as a whole isn't gag... You cant say he is because of one season. 😂. But ig

[@Ceddy2x]

It's not a gag show

[@pininja4981]

@@Ceddy2x yeah

[@boobert0527]

That is something called a joke.

[@DoctorAlfredo101]

Just read the newest manga chapter which basically says that when faced with an unbeatable villain saitama starts to grow so fast that he basically grows infinitely every second so when fighting Goku he would just lose, lose, lose, closer but lose, closer, tied, tied, maybe winning, nearly winning, winning, dominating. (One result per second)

[@vesthegame1430]

This video was made a year ago and the chapter just came out stop acting like he was wrong because he didn't have that information.

[@DoctorAlfredo101]

@@vesthegame1430 I didn't say it was wrong I was just adding new information

[@DoctorAlfredo101]

@@vesthegame1430 I literally said just read the newest chapter

[@DairyPlant]

He grow stronger and faster than cosmic garou due to emotion he never gotten, gOkU STiLl sOlo!1!1!1!

[@DairyPlant]

He is indeed limitless.

[@aboveaveragedude4203]

One punch man would beat goku because the light that shines off his bald head would blind goku and then he would proceed to tickle goku to death.

[@possekidxan]

At least you know

[@anwylakatsuki9110]

U do know that goku has a 3rd eye????

[@keithfields1756]

Moon man rider would one shot both goku and saitama at the same time😖😖

[@kanyon_tv7737]

Goku has fought krillin though lmaooo

[@giornogiovanna6642]

@@keithfields1756 don’t forget Matt and shaggy

[@turnerbrawley4715]

Opm is essentially new game plus with all the upgrades, skill tree fully unlocked, and the strongest weapons equipped.

[@abelcarias6268]

And on extremely easy mode

[@blazeingsonicthegod8417]

So pretty much an hacked version of the game

[@SevensMarkedSeven]

Yes

[@SevensMarkedSeven]

@@blazeingsonicthegod8417 LOL

[@Kami.Asura000]

He's a GTA cheat code

[@alainblandi2885]

Conclusion: Saitama doesnt win because it'd be funny. Now he wins because it'd be depressive.

[@Isagiyoichi7K]

Wait didn't the video just say Goku beats Saitama?

[@ChadKakashi]

@@Isagiyoichi7K he was talking about how seth provided the “gag character, gg” gang with a new argument. “It would be depressing, that’s why he wins” sorta thing. At least I think that’s what he means. Goku wins, objectively.

[@resurrectedpa]

@@ChadKakashi what I thought he meant Saitama would win because he would be stronger than Goku like that's it

[@markodissey405]

@@ChadKakashi nah he said it isn’t a gag character because its actually depressive, he never stated that he’d win because itd be depressing

[@inigo-montoya]

@Dragons Dens goku *uses hakai lol

[@crazylegs5063]

I definitely think there's a difference between limit breaking from basic athletic training and Boros/Garou limits. Removing the limiter is different.

[@sarama7579]

@@fight1316 because he doesn't need to be but if you were to put saitama up against goku saitama would eventually surpass him after a couple blows since he literally gets stronger with each blow and we don't even know what it would take to injure him since we've never seen him get injured

[@sarama7579]

@@fight1316 it was never stated saitama needs strong emotions to grow stronger idk where you got that from and I'm pretty sure its been stated that saitama is growing stronger everyday but his growth skyrockets when he's fighting stronger opponents and like I said we don't even know what it takes to harm saitama

[@sarama7579]

@@fight1316 pretty sure it was only stated that he jus wasnt holding back and plus he was literally using one hand sure he was pissed cuz of genos dying but that wasn't the reason for his improvement

[@Chad43970]

@@fight1316 he is nt he solos goku

[@Chad43970]

garou has removed his limiter just like saitama but in a different way

[@karthikbalamurugan7390]

one correction saitama didn't break his limits. He just removed his limits altogether. Like breaking a glass bottle and then because the glass bottle is broken the water can fill up anywhere possible outside the glass bottle.

[@nohobo23]

Further correction, chapter 77 saitama states he cannot get stronger and has reached his limit

[@nohobo23]

@@wateriswet7387 except when goku and vegeta refer to limit, most of the time they mean energy spent. On that same note, this is less about improving and more a counter to the “saitama has no limit” comment, as well as the fact saitama will need a person relative to his own strength to increase his abilities

[@nohobo23]

@ people keep saying it, but no one can give me a chapter number to reference, so i’m not really going to take it in without evidence that it’s true 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@nohobo23]

@ so a statement by not the author? Again, that doesnt exactly sound like real evidence

[@nohobo23]

@ can you link me the audio book that states it then? You keep talking about it but direct me no where to prove it

[@MysticSpinx]

Hey seth for your next video you should do “Could Batman the greatest detective on earth find my dad?” because he’s been in traffic since 06 haha 🙃

[@MysticSpinx]

All I know is pain

[@danielbrawner3677]

This was funny and dark. It made me cry and laugh. Thank you. 🤣😭

[@achilles112]

Damn..

[@Belligol.]

Dw, bats would defo find him

[@Meracog]

That would be a task to great for Batman to do.

[@crimsoncrusader6371]

Listen we forgot the most powerful opponent one punch man fought: the mosquito

[@pokeboy1981]

The mosquito beats goku easily no debate B)

[@Ramencatmate]

@@piupiu89-z3n whoosh

[@grimrraper2542]

Braaa

[@Nothing66667]

And Needle the Dangerous Opponent of Goku

[@temp1326]

@C-Joestar yes.

[@sincereflowers3218]

Knowing what I know about the character I find the "who would win against Saitama" debate odd. The character is WRITTEN to be the STRONGEST of his universe and that is _depressing_ for him. It would be awesome if Goku could introduce him to UI or Superman could run a couple circles around his serious series. The character would enjoy that, and that's really what makes the whole conversation pointless. He'd have fun and be cool about losing, so why even argue?

[@Dexuz]

@One Piece MC Actually Goku cannot breathe in space, as shown in the Moro arc.

[@Dexuz]

Absolutely, it's so ridiculous how people argue that "Saitama should never lose", well shit poor Saitama, I guess his fans want him to be miserable his entire life. In a written fight, Goku would be perfect as the being that surpasses Saitama, as he's pure hearted and not a threat.

[@lethargictroll6788]

Why argue? Because humans are tribalistic. We feel more comfortable in a group, belonging to something greater than ourselves. If you disagree with that disregard my reply. Look at how crazy people get over their favorite sports team or how patriotism can turn into blind devotion or straight fanaticism. People argue about their favorite fictional characters being the strongest because it makes them feel like they belong to the strongest team. I will never win a super bowl, what's the next best thing? My favorite team winning. I won't ever be the strongest, next best thing is being a fan of the strongest. Also arguing online is more safe than doing it in person. Plus arguing is like aggressively discussing and when have humans been afraid of a little conflict?

[@iperson4800]

@@Dexuz its not about if he should its about if he can. Because he was created to pretty much be the strongest thing in fiction so when people argue that x charater can defeat saitama its an argument because saitama literally cannot lose. Its not rly opinionated its more factual. Its not rly fair to put anyone against saitama or any character thats made to not be beaten. Idk why ppl even try to argue it. Its not even about like one punchman fans being delusional fans or nun.

[@Dexuz]

@@iperson4800 He can because he got greater feats than Saitama and has defeated greater foes than Saitama had. If you wanna argue narrative, then Goku can perfectly be the ultimate being that will give Saitama his long-seeked fight at the end of his manga.

[@grandseas7706]

**Goku vs. Saitama** The milky way: “my time has come”

[@LDKNERO]

Saitama wouldn't be able to breathe in space but Goku could

[@Spaceship_YTC]

@@LDKNERO lol no goku can't breathe in space

[@LDKNERO]

@@Spaceship_YTC first go and watch dbsuper goku vs beerus then talk..idiot..he can

[@Spaceship_YTC]

@@LDKNERO lmao they were on the very edge of atmosphere stfu

[@Spaceship_YTC]

@@LDKNERO hes mortal not immortal like beerus

[@theseaofstars7821]

If saitama were to ever lose to anyone, that will be the LITERAL best thing to happen to him. It just means he can still improve, still become even more of a god than he already is

[@tr3ax124]

i don't think he would even try any more. He already suffered because of his irreal strength for so long. Why would he want to repeat history? I think he would just stop there and fight against this stronger opponent a few times and then just rest. I mean he already has enough of his strength

[@always_trust_all_scientists]

Why would losing mean he would improve? Theres no proof that just because he lost instantly means he could improve.

[@opadrip]

@@always_trust_all_scientists Literally the whole point of the series is that he's too strong and ended up being depressed because he can't find a worthy opponent. If he found stronger opponents, he would be ecstatic and try to match up to them.

[@alassanjobe8667]

Would saitama be able to kill you or is the time it takes to power up exaggerated

[@The_Hokage]

No one can defeat the Hokage

[@itsmagic9441]

As a wise man once said, the one who wins is the one the writer wants to win

[@dannyverse7656]

True

[@PikachuComments]

Naruto should have beaten Sasuke before Shippuden but he didn’t because Sasuke needed to train with Orochimaru :/

[@jovil1732]

Ya exactly

[@samuel_goopster6600]

@@PikachuComments or because Naruto wasn't going for the kill while Sasuke was, so Naruto was at a disadvantage

[@Mr-Show9]

Such a cop out and truly is no fun when having debates. Why watch if your opinion will remain this?

[@Bruh-zu5pl]

Returning after your “has everything changed video” and I gotta say. Respect ✊

[@juicy_popcorn5663]

Opm is like when someone finishes a game and they restart with all they’re gear from the last save

[@imcris_0ho439]

@Just Some Guy Who's A Hero For Fun bro did u really just name ur self that

[@ligma3205]

New game+

[@chidubemmo]

Exactly, like in a videogame you can still get defeated even if you are extremely strong

[@juicy_popcorn5663]

@@ligma3205 that’s what I’m saying just some people might not know what new game+ means

[@krukblood-axe3649]

@@juicy_popcorn5663 Well, it'd be a bit different than new game+, since that usually comes with increased difficulty.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Oh boy, here comes everybody saying "he's a gag character" lol

[@saudbintalib5701]

Saitama is more like a "Parody Character" than a "Gag Character" to be completely honest........

[@ClubberOntop]

@@saudbintalib5701 yeah

[@Sword_Man_YT]

@@saudbintalib5701 Exactly

[@Mr_Lucas]

@@saudbintalib5701 but saitama tards are really stubborn and don’t listen to reason

[@KingJinzo2125]

@@saudbintalib5701 what would be the difference there? Genuinely curious

[@xavmanisdabestest]

Silencing saitama would solo the verse stans by saying they're disrespectful and don't know their own story is genius tbh.

[@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660]

Goku solos the verse those bozos can stay mad and Salty.

[@Zenith_Nulls]

@@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660 didn't expect to meet you here

[@Laggma-zj4ot]

@@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660 Nah, I can beat Goku even if he goes Ultra Shitstink

[@ShaunikaB]

@@Goat10Solos notice how he said he solos MOST verses easily

[@ShaunikaB]

@@Goat10Solos he already knew tho lol

[@Acrosurge]

I love both these characters, but it is fascinating the amount of fanboys that have suddenly appeared in the comments following OPM manga chapter 167 insisting that the outcome of this matchup has changed. It really hasn't.

[@xymare1748]

no it definitely does change certain points. Saitama has just proven he has the ability of manipulating space and time, come on now.

[@dommamox4242]

​@@xymare1748 and the chapter also shows us that saitama can break the laws of physics and also shatter the surface of the moon of jupiter

[@leviackerman9666]

@@dommamox4242 exactly

[@leviackerman9666]

@@dommamox4242 exactly

[@Tichondrius-]

​@@dommamox4242 the dude destroyed all photons by who knows how many light years away from Earth, if not destroyed all these stars, with one serious punch. And it's still not his full power. The author of the main comment should realize that there are only Goku fanboys at this point saying Goku wins no metter what.

[@fuggedaboutit3445]

Seriously Imagine if DBZ started with MUI Goku he wouldn't even need to lift his finger

[@kyndallkeys8349]

Frrrr that would be boring lmao

[@ANONYMOUS-wc5fq]

He used MUI against Moro and still needed help from his friends, he got shot down by Granola even with UI

[@starrynight4602]

@@ANONYMOUS-wc5fq didn't he end up one shotting moro tho 💀

[@kyndallkeys8349]

@@starrynight4602 frrr. That was dumb lmao

[@starrynight4602]

@@kyndallkeys8349 frrr

[@_Shield_Master_]

Summary: For now Goku wins because of better feats, we need to wait for Saitama's story to end to finally understand who wins

[@leirbag1595]

Yeah, that's how vs debates should work.

[@christophermonteith2774]

true

[@jackour8167]

With simple calculations. Even if Saitama was using 1% of his power against boros. 100x Planteary is nothing to goku LMAO

[@markmontes17]

No Saitama wins. That's it. Goku is hardly the strongest fighter

[@yuxintian7500]

If we highball Saitama, he should be a system buster. Like, Yamcha should give him a good fight.

[@Reclusive247]

Q: Could Saitama create an object so heavy even he couldn't lift it? A: Yes. And then he would lift it.

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

yes. based.

[@msaocer]

Isn’t that what’s known as God’s paradox?

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

Funni, but also ironic that you're commenting this on a video that literally shows that saying stuff like this is disrespectful to the author...

[@geniuz4093]

@@msaocer Yeah but the question is stupid anyway. An illogical question. God can do ANYTHING, but illogical things aren't *things* at all. Since God is omnipotent, something overpowering God is illogical, so it's not even a thing.

[@someonewhoyoudontknow6112]

@@msaocer isn’t it called the omnipotency paradox

[@TheMemeGuy20]

I Love How DBS Fans Saying That CC MUI Goku Destroy The Multiverse With A Finger But Theres No Even A Manga Chapter And An Episode That Goku Do That Lol

[@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954]

CC MUI Goku scales above likes of Demigra who are stated to be going to destroy all of infinite history. Which consists of multiple at least 6 dimensional infinite time spaces. So he easily can do that.

[@andyyang2360]

@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 that’s cause Dimirga has time abilities. Also Saitama just got time abilities.

[@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954]

@@andyyang2360 No, he was going to do it with Sheer power. And Saitama's ,,Time abilities" just allows him to move back in time. Which won't matter against Dragon Ball characters, as it would simply create new timeline. And he forgot how to do it at the end of the chapter.

[@mynamegoeshere9287]

What an idiotic statement. I know that you're a human, and based off what we know about what feats the average human is capable of, I can say that you can squash a roach under your boot no? Now, how stupid would I look if I said "oh. I've never seen you squash a roach so you must not be able to do it, even though I've seen you also beat guys asses or be compared to guys who can squash roaches"?

[@Maneatingaratofficial]

Times when the villans knows they're screwed: When goku's Aurora changes colour When sitama's face gains detail When itadori gets Mark's on his face When gojo takes his blindfold off When the villans makes fun of josuke's hair

[@Benja_Superperfecto]

Who is josie

[@xanax.addiction]

@@Benja_Superperfecto josuke he just spells wrong

[@Benja_Superperfecto]

@@xanax.addiction oh

[@onyourleft9273]

*OI JOSUKE*

[@Maneatingaratofficial]

@@Benja_Superperfecto autocorrect

[@mmanzanozr1]

A gag character is someone like bugs bunny who would actually stomp both Goku and saitama.

[@kingk.d.m4620]

It’s ok Beerus will avenge Goku then Goku defeats Beerus to get his W back

[@lucasscalcon7024]

Goku has resistences to toon force ironically

[@fable2830]

@@lucasscalcon7024 how? I actually dont know

[@lucasscalcon7024]

@@fable2830 he fought even with arale who is a gag character

[@jobsidian4219]

Old school Bugs is literally author level lol

[@yaroslavivanov9787]

Why does Seth actually make me tear up whenever he talks about the narrative implications of the story? He's so laconic and precise, I want him to write a legit... manga.

[@Ohmargod]

I hope he doesn't. Not every great analyst or critic can be a good writer.

[@Juicersen]

Yeah idk about writing but it would be good to have him involved in one. He’d keep power consistent

[@lastxtrick2033]

Weirdo

[@MsJoshisfat]

Just you wait.

[@kytaki407]

You’re just soft.

[@joeysupersonic]

Thank you for wrapping this debate up buddy I watched this when it came out and looking back on it it’s still correct ❤😊

[@richardpatnaude2484]

I used to be a huge Saitama stan back when the first season of the anime came out. I've heard debates and seen videos such as Seth and Chuck's about Krillin kicking Saitama's ass. I remember being angry back then when that video came out because I was a believer in Saitama's narrative omnipotence. Since then, I have come to think of the series differently as a whole and even argued in favor of Goku with a friend about this topic to pregame watching this video. This analysis perfectly personifies much of the excellence of Saitama's strength and ultimately the narrative strength that comes from it and I wan to congratulate you Seth, if you read this, on yet another absolute banger. I've been following your channel for a very long time and you never fail to impress.

[@Kencrush]

Same

[@orangiumsulfate5173]

Ive been in your state too and i can highly say that seth REALLY educated as much contriversy starters as possible which still makes me a proud saitama (minor) fan since 2019

[@opadrip]

I was in that state back when the series first came about. Then later freaking Vs Battle Wiki of all things opened my eyes.

[@joegun4259]

*this is some character development*

[@pewdiepie_1232]

Ok but Sakura solo every verse king as well

[@psychronia]

Really, if they met and fought, no matter who wins, the one that lost would walk away from it very happy and looking for more.

[@nemacc]

There wouldnt probably be anything left! Those 2 would destroy everything around them

[@Pineapple-hx9ty]

@@nemacc yeah but they wouldn't do that. Its goku and Saitama here, they aren't going to destroy a city to have fun

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

@@Pineapple-hx9ty goku sacrifies 12 Universes to get Zeno-chan a friend.

[@psychronia]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2 When did he do that?

[@chriswentz5197]

@@psychronia goku black arc ending

[@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398]

This goku guy is pretty strong and I get it BUT- CAN HE BEAT GOKU, THO??

[@HMRS]

CANT NOBODY BEAT GOKU

[@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398]

@@HMRS HELLL YEAHH

[@joehibken1546]

somebody soon going to tell some charecter that can beat goku

[@ComplexedUsername]

he can

[@HMRS]

@@ComplexedUsername no

[@slayerswrath6632]

I always had a theorize that the reason Santana was strong was because he wanted it. It's not the training but what the training proved. That he would do anything for the power. And I think their are a lot of other instances in OPM where characters really want something, get a sort of fire in their eye, then get that thing.

[@Smood47]

Carlos Santana?

[@deltazygone52]

santana was the most irrelevant pillerman, huh?

[@pmaccount1289]

Is it Goku fighting Saitama as Saitama as the 'villain' or Saitama fighting Goku as Goku as the 'villain' because whoever gets plot armor wins

[@rambo6767]

Thats exactly the problem so Narratives wont be used in Crossverse battles and feats are used So Goku claps Saitama

[@rambo6767]

@X4TERUMI I can Say with gurantee that ur cringy try at being cool failed

[@rambo6767]

@X4TERUMI ok g

[@shadowhawkrine1947]

True true

[@lancetheking7524]

The hell happened here

[@DoktorHolidays]

idc what everyone says Oogway solos both in a second

[@KillertoxinVA]

Oh absolutely

[@SolemGod]

Yes sir

[@4varaa4]

(spoilers for kung fu panda 3 lmao) he was actually using 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of his power against Kai

[@resurrectedpa]

Oogway universal pog

[@vardrids]

@@4varaa4 why are you insulting oogway?

[@REIwAlexY]

people just cant understand that in-series logic/rules/feats dont apply generally. if someone is the "god" or "strongest" in his show/verse, that does NOT mean he/she/it is the strongest/a god in ALL shows. until they do, silly arguments like these will continue to happen. the last point of this one were really good and showed good analysis imo. you describe a lot of what makes opm a lot better than just some random shounen power fantasy show.

[@magnus7708]

This is a good take

[@Chris-lu4vm]

@@magnus7708 your moms a good take

[@21eienni]

Yeah, I've often seen people saying stuff like that. "A defeated B who was a god so A can defeat C who is a god from another show". Well, no. The gods from one show aren't equal to those from another show. I've seen that with someone comparing God of High School with Dragon Ball while thinking the gods in the former were equal to those in the latter. Same with a video about DC Lucifer and Marvel Ghost Rider, someone thought that Mephisto was pretty much Marvel's version Lucifer, while it might sound logical, it's not the case power wise. There's a huge gap. Anyway.

[@dennisquiah7]

@@21eienni hell yeah lucifer is wayyy above Mephisto

[@hakiDsupreme]

Like when Seth said Saitama was endgame main character, and that Super was post endgame and Goku surpassed the strongest character in his universe so Goku obviously wins." I think his exact words were "when Goku has even gone beyond his endgame version in term of feats, and even got a blatant continuation in Dragonball Super where he even gets to display more feats on top of that, so it's very OBVIOUSLY in Gokus favor here, and not very fair to say" I love how he uses the words obviously to act like saying "Goku has gone beyond his endgame feats" means Saitama has no chance cause he is already endgame strong, tho even tho Dragonball isnt over, apparently to Seth because Dragonball ended after Majin Buu, and started again, means Goku beats Saitama obviously.. Since Goku reached his endgame character in his universe, even tho it wasnt really the "endgame..." I guess if a manga continues after a long hiatus it OBVIOUSLY means the main character is stronger than any manga character whos anime ended and didnt get a continuation... IE Full Metal ended, doesnt mean Edward could beat Luffy, even tho One Piece isnt at it's endgame... Seths entire youtube channel and practically every theory he has is based on this type of structured argument... Using cherry picked words, vague instances, and his opinions then pushes them as absolute fact, example Goku could destroy a universe with one punch by himself cause such and such implies so" ignoring that it is never factually stated(which is how he makes is arguments) then taking some other anime that isnt Dragonball and using the worst instances, ignoring and downplaying other characters, and assuming the author doesnt mean what he obviously means, using arguments like, (~Seth Voice)"Oh pretty much everyone agrees the author didnt mean that Boros Collapsing Star Canon could destroy a star even tho he said so, probably a mistranslation." Even tho Goku has never Deestroyed anything close to a star, Seth has flat earths everyone into assuming Goku can destroy Universes, and we dont know forsure if Saitama could destroy a planet... Even tho Saitama stopped Asteroid that was going to destroy a planet like ripping toilet paper.. Oh and physics 101 using Seths debate structure "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." So if Saitama can completely stop power the power to deestroy a planet, physics states he has to meet with atleast exact equal force" so what equal to a planet deestroying object, a planet deestroying object.. Tho Seth would never gas someone who he has pegged as the loser.. He'll make these kind of arguments all day for one side while downplaying the other character and trying to act like he knows and speaks for all these authors, using Authors words as facts, then acting like the other author must have been mistranslated. cause Seth doesnt want to face the fact that his arguments are trash politics, and any fan could easily rip them apart... This is why he doesnt debate real anime lovers, only has people on who either agree with him or think like him.. It's kind if hilarious really, I love people who argue with me and they use Seths arguments and deeply flawed logic, like they are new testament, the encyclopedia of all that is facts... They get so confused when you make them look dumb asf in front of everyone with little effort, and then deestroy every seth theory thrown at me.. Like they just found out Santa aint real, they question life and usually become less toxic because of it.

[@ok-pt5sv]

I've destroyed the gag argument with people, but they just don't listen. Pisses me off so much.

[@ConquerAndCommand]

wdym saitama is a confirmed gag even the latest chapter confirmed it, talking in space + grabbing black holes + reacting to hyperspace gates (which goku couldnt btw)

[@zaconmacon565]

@@ConquerAndCommand if saitama a human can do it what makes you think that goku a demi god couldn't?

[@ConquerAndCommand]

@@zaconmacon565 saitama is literally grabbing time and space itself. While goku right now is struggling with trains and some spiky walls lmfao.

[@ConquerAndCommand]

@@zaconmacon565 goku himself makes me think that. I posted a link but it got deleted i think seth is crying

[@zaconmacon565]

@@ConquerAndCommand sure bud trains are making him struggle. Imma assume you haven't seen the manga

[@milessaxton]

As far as feats go, saitama just doesn’t really have much excuse to show off his full power as far as I know, which is really the biggest roadblock when compared to other characters

[@kishiberohan4038]

@SamBoy 777 well surely "you had strength to spare" "i never stood a chance" and the "it wasnt even a fight" comments disprove that

[@Apu-Hasan]

The author actually didn't put much thought in it. But we can get the idea why the thing is called One Punch Man.

[@bleeem]

@Enrique Irau Lagunas Perez so is goku lol

[@adhf158]

@Enrique Irau Lagunas Perez you're telling me one piece, ds, mha etc solos saitama?

[@theonestardragonball100]

manga

[@bluecanon4208]

If goku wins he would spare him and say :hey let’s fight again some other time. Saitama looks around and notices that the world looks like the flat mode from Minecraft

[@goldenboy5103]

Not gonna agree who saitama can send Goku to crisp

[@chasemula6309]

If goku wins?

[@goldenboy5103]

@@royalkakarot3628 saitama can delete dbz verse without leaving a trace

[@brayanmorales5055]

@@goldenboy5103 bruh goku would destroy him

[@goldenboy5103]

@@brayanmorales5055 yea no he can't saitama one tap

[@leonkennedy9912]

“Don’t answer that if your name is James” 😂😂😂

[@mrkakarot2424]

Bro dats hella crazy, ma name is james and i just got into bleach hella hard😂

[@hallofjames43327]

@@mrkakarot2424 onm

[@IchigoKamado-id5ug]

Whos here because we got into an argument about saitama vs goku

[@xXMaxiMum]

People saying Saitama is a gag forgot that Goku as a kid broke a Manga panel...

[@projectzfoundation3065]

Yeah early Goku was hella gag like.

[@zer0stars]

Mans sent someone to the Moon with a punch and even has a friend that is entirely gag.

[@Azraeluchiha999]

Goku is a parody of sun wukong, the monkey king.

[@tganims9804]

I know right, so that must mean Goku is boundless!

[@Notelaic]

@@tganims9804 nope

[@diollinebranderson6553]

The real chads here are people laughing at average fans making pointless debates that will never turn into fruition.

[@papillomadoma5125]

Thats kinda dumb its fun matching favorite characters together in power and not plot and story

[@ansete86]

@@papillomadoma5125 its fun until people go actually crazy like i dont know go outside or something

[@jameslauren3100]

Just get a blonde meat head to fight a bald guy who k.o.s people. There you go

[@blopper5550]

goku solos

[@zachzorn9930]

May I remind you cross overs havr haopened before. goku does them often it seems. We might yet see this fight.... But I wont hold my breath..

[@ugly7561]

Saiyan that trained for years and has multiple power-ups and powers vs a bald human that did basic exercise everyday

[@RanfeaR]

Fans: *Ah shit, here we go again*

[@146love7]

Jesus loves you

[@SnockLock]

Lets bring science so if you have infinite power that means infinite energy with that you can go faster then light speed or hes just so much much more power then Borso to make it infinite 4 million is the smallest number to be infinite. And you just need to break time to break everything and time is depend on speed so if you go faster then light would time just stop becuse the faster you are less time will effect you. 1

[@lynxg5643]

Ya'll do realize that kung fu panda could skadoosh them both into oblivion

[@Qbesent]

I hope you're joking

[@weirdlystupid]

@@Qbesent It wasn't obvious enough?

[@lynxg5643]

@@Qbesent nah, Po could easily destroy mortals by using skadoosh. Goku is merely a mortal who gained powers of a god, as the same with saitama. But Po's skadoosh ability lets him teleport mortals to the spirit world. ez win

[@tenzinsherpa776]

@@lynxg5643 Goku can use instant transmission

[@Qbesent]

@@lynxg5643 Goku's like billions of times faster than po, Goku speed blitzes the verse no difficulty.

[@mysteriousweeb]

Yes, more people need to read the opm manga.

[@PlatinumSperms]

Yeah it’s one of the best out there

[@dipperjr7696]

Yes, it's easily one of the best shonen currently out there.

[@callmewhateveryouwant5263]

yes Yusuke Murata is a wonderful artist

[@that1tallguy]

Yeah it's gotten really good 🔥

[@fabiencgb161]

Please do a new video on this with the current statuses

[@iruma-kun9974]

Arguments regarding Saitama's power level is just the "Appeal from Ignorance" fallacy.

[@ComplexedUsername]

fanmade

[@justsomeregret7993]

@@The_Indomitable_Human_Spirit_1 what does solo leveling have to do with OPM?

[@Mark-et6lq]

@@The_Indomitable_Human_Spirit_1 Its more like we need more feats for saitama and don't get me wrong he is still getting them. However, they aren't as crazy as dragon ball.

[@chriss.249]

X fused with sonic? Op asf😂

[@iruma-kun9974]

@@chriss.249 Lol yeah, Faster than Sound speed w/ a Megabuster is an awesome combination

[@raphfortnitetmnt]

No matter who wins, they're our favorite anime characters. Saitama losing would finally make him happy, Goku losing would make him happy as well. And if they ever got in the same universe, they would have absolutely no reasons to fight lol, on the contrary, they would be best friends. And if they ever did get in a fight, it wouldn't be too serious.

[@vvlixi274]

i mean it kinda matter since if Goku loses alot of Goku stans would get amgry and keep debating same as Saitama, but i dont really care lmao i love both show im still watching DBZ great anime honestly

[@dontdo1546]

@@vvlixi274 who cares if they get mad. Cant cope

[@darkcylander]

whenever Stan lee was asked "who could beat who in a fight?" questions. His answer was always something like "simple, if the writer is a big Thor fan, then Thor will be stronger. If the writer is a big Hulk fan, then Hulk will be stronger".

[@ZearthPlayz]

@@darkcylander that's genious

[@kaianimations675]

Actually Saitama is grossly way stronger than Goku and I did the math! (This isnt even a battle) In short Saitama gets 15 times stronger each day so in 20 days from his best feat in anime destroying a star busting move and killing Boros in one punch but he wasn't even trying so yeah, he can destroy 33.25257 universes in one punch but he still has 100 days more to grow, plus Goku is 2/3D and Saitama is 4D like god said in One punch man so anyways he wins. So there is one way Saiatama can beat Goku. With the VGS it shows Saiatama battling himself from 1 day before and he one shots himself this means he grows about 10 times stronger let me explain a average human punch is about 120-150 psi lets round it up 135 psi and a gorilla is 2000 psi a average human can take 2 punch's of 2000 psi from a gorilla before passing out, so that means Saitama gets 14.82 times stronger each day so lets say 15 and Saitama best feat in anime is destroying a star busting move and killing Boros in one punch [Its a star busting move its not planet surface thats just a translation error and the guide book even says its star busting] So lets say each chapter of One punch man is a new day his best feat was on chapter 36 and the newest chapter as this comment is 160 lets round up 40-160 = 120 days of getting 15 times stronger from a star feat the average star is about 99% of their solar system. The 1st day he can destroy 15 stars, The 2nd day he can destroy 225 stars, The 3rd day he can destroy 3375 stars, The 4th day he can destroy 50625 stars, The 5th day he can destroy 759375 stars, The 10th day he can destroy 576650390625 stars, The 20th day he can destroy 3.325257e+23 stars or 332,525,700,000,000,000,000,000 stars, how many stars are in the galaxy? 100,000,000,000. how many galaxies are in the universe? 100,000,000,000. So 100,000,000,000x100,000,000,000 = 1e+22 So lets divide 3.325257e+23/1e+22=33.25257. So 20 days from destroying a star he can destroy 33.25 universes with 1 punch even if he got 6 times stronger each day he still would get to this feat in 120 days which is the latest day in the manga so he’s still cannon this level of power.

[@MrJC-ob2hk]

"King is the strongest anime character" cuz hes so fast "he cut an apple without the apple knowing"

[@jaganshiheie3836]

Lmao Mr Satan solos opm

[@dak275]

@@coranz4538 nah Cameraman solo's everyone by everyone..i mean every anime universe and shows :)

[@Chips-Tube-ce3gb]

@@jaganshiheie3836 lmao mr satan is a mere human saitama would look at him and kill him goku comes in his base form not knowing saitmas power and cant sense it since he has infinite amounts trues to punch him saitama catches it and the one punches him the fight wouldnt be a fight because goku is too dumb to go all out on an enemy first but even in a real fight saitama wins because in the manga i forget which chapter but saitama was put in a box by pheonix man and knocked and broke it the box was made up of reality itself not punching hit with force he knocked as if it were a door so goku can have multi universal buffs butt saitama has reality wiping buffs so at the end if the day saitama stomps gokus fodder multi universal feats and his fodder universe except for zeno who like mother from eden zero has the ability to wipe reality regardless of time

[@aaradhyadixit9798]

Guys just remember the villains and enemy in dragon ball were way stronger than enemies in one punch man verse

[@TrueZmy]

but saitama beats them in 1 punch

[@kurtisah-kim7886]

@@TrueZmy if you dislike a statement and want to avoid arguing about a pointless anime that we have absolutely no control of, just get lost. It's the writers choice whether to make a character strong or not. IK i replied 8 months after buh like yeah lol (also i prefer OPM than dragon ball but I side with both because idrc)

[@TrueZmy]

@@kurtisah-kim7886 lol ok haha

[@kaijikhristicus8123]

I’m glad you covered the point that we can’t compare saitama and goku until saitama possibly shows us a feat worth comparing fully.

[@tozenvay392]

He didn't go over all feats just the feats to prove his point

[@kaijikhristicus8123]

@@tozenvay392 yea ik and he said that saitama hasn’t shown us enough feats to judge him and goku, so if someone could give saitama an actual fight then we could see feats that can compare to goku’s

[@TizianuMenzukialu]

We basically saw Goku's feats in Boros, obviously not in a full extent cuz Goku is the main character in a 30 years story unlike Boros. I think the very conception of Saitama can't loose.

[@ghostlyflamingo07]

@@TizianuMenzukialu boros is like luffy but 1000x on a larger scale. Basically boros is a person who had adventures like luffy but got too strong now he is bored and now he tries to do something luffy would do listen to a fortune teller Lel. Also cuz he a space king pirate

[@OrRaino]

@@ghostlyflamingo07 what are you pulling luffy into this conversation, he is weak asf compared to boros probably boros 10^10 times stronger

[@Check_aniMate]

Top 13 people stronger than Goku, Saitama, etc all combined 13. Kool aid man, ad form (max power) 12. Yamcha slap 11. Ussop 10. Truck-kun 9. Farmer with a shotgun 8. Mumen rider; JUSTICE CRASHO! 7. Kenobi with the high ground. 6. Dad has equipped the belt! Inf+ damage 5. Ichiraku Ramen Guy full power 4. Steve full power 3. Shaggy full power 2. Brawl meta knight with his B (tornado) attack 1: Camera man/guy (Who did I miss? :3)

[@eddie-zu7kg]

Dark Lord Sekke

[@eddie-zu7kg]

Buggy too

[@theycallmeflipper4515]

Cameraman is wayy more powerful than shaggy, cuz he even survived his attacks

[@Check_aniMate]

@@theycallmeflipper4515 shaggy has only used 2% in his life before, so camra man has survive 2% of his power

[@theycallmeflipper4515]

@@Check_aniMate that means he can survive much more if 2% of shaggy's power didn't do anything to him.. That's why I think the camera man is the strongest in the universe (I don't know tf am trying to say)

[@wbhurt01]

If we’re being deadass about this fight.. They’d fight and be happy about how powerful the other is then..one of them would crack a joke. They’d freeze up and burst into laughter. Then at the end of the day they’re both stuffing their faces with food and just casually talking

[@Sam-r7p3o]

Why would goku be happy about how powerful saitama is, saitama is extremely weak in comparison

[@soonontop1M]

facts

[@wbhurt01]

@@Sam-r7p3o Because they’d definitely have some sort of good fight.. that’d be boring if it was too easy for one of them

[@Sam-r7p3o]

@@wbhurt01 that makes no sense logically, how would they have a good fight when saitama giving a serious punch to goku would feel like an insect hit him, and goku flicking saitama would kill him instantly

[@wbhurt01]

@@Sam-r7p3o Why are you taking this so serious..

[@nayibarce1696]

Sooooooo i demand a re-do of this due to recent events

[@_Shield_Master_]

Goku still stomps

[@nayibarce1696]

@@_Shield_Master_ nahhh, planets in dbz universe are extremely fragile, 1) goku physical power is weak, 2) in dbz an 1000 power being can destroy planets with ki blasts but earth can withstand the punches of 2 SSGSS + 1 pink SSGSS without beeing destroyed, 3) in dbz all universes are so weak that what actually afects them are the ki waves emitted of such tremendous kis than the punches or kick themselves, 4) even in all dbz history there has been no beeing physically capable of destroying a planet by raw physical power, 5) goku can ki beam however he wants but he is a weakling physically speaking or muscle speaking than saitama, all goku does is infused himself with ki best proof is that goku can be hurt by a bullet and saitama can withstand the sun without even trying

[@that_guy55]

Who cares about who would win, a better fight would be farmer with a shotgun Vs the mosquito

[@god2242]

Mosquito winner farmer with shotgun is pretty better at power and fight he not that good to aim mosquito and tge mosquito name is Black Saitama

[@iwillfindyou.3651]

Hilarious😐

[@gokuisthebest20]

@@iwillfindyou.3651BRUH y'all always ruining the mood

[@iwillfindyou.3651]

@@gokuisthebest20 y’all just don’t have any humor

[@gokuisthebest20]

@@iwillfindyou.3651 Neither do you

[@halalter4039]

Hardcore fans wont hear any of the facts. just the things they wanna hear. This is why these debates are never-ending lmfao

[@reedpreston4183]

ya, 99% of any goku fans that dont even know who in db can beat goku always ignore the hard facts that saitama is most likly to win and that goku would only have a small window of opportunity to win the fight. all they ever say in like any video, a lot of them not even being about saitama they spam "goku solos bozo"

[@jaythekid2846]

I wouldn’t say he solos I mean it would be a good fight but as it stands I believe goku would win because we haven’t seen saitama at his strongest

[@Chuckkills]

@@jaythekid2846 there’s literally no way to know before saitama actually starts to try in one of his fights

[@amuroray9115]

No truer words have ever been spoken. Lmao

[@jaythekid2846]

Fax

[@ariace6547]

Ngl, I literally just watched "Goku vs Superman: The Honest Truth"

[@f687sNFM]

Wasn't that video just "let's just do Goku vs all supermen combined"

[@raylevi5343]

@@f687sNFM He literally said that he was only doing New 52 superman in that video, didn't he?

[@bakl3467]

@@raylevi5343 no it was the post crisis supes

[@ariace6547]

@@f687sNFM hmm, not really. Just a base superman... which is pretty vague

[@ap_dreezy3019]

What is new 52 superman's ap?

[@terratechbot194]

We gotta get a rematch for this with the new chapters of both mangas.

[@katelynholland6425]

Agreed

[@andyyang2360]

Yes

[@Mr.bagfumbler]

If a character was always wishing that they were weak enough to lose they eventually would huh... *Sosuke Aizen felt that*

[@zonnodon163]

Exacta

[@fan4every1lol89]

oof

[@0sje_]

And kimpachi

[@HOLDENPOPE]

@@zonnodon163 Findor?

[@JalenMonday]

It's not that Saitama is a "gag character" in EVERY aspect, but if we're talking about the ideal behind the manga, the foundation is still the same-we're having the enjoyment of seeing this OP character mow through enemies with ease. The fight with Boros still shows this as well. The execution doesn't HAVE to be knee-slapping funny. The writers have found a formula that is much more compelling than just for laughs. It's unconventional to most fighting storytelling, and that's what makes it comedic, even if the execution is compelling. The true change up to this foundation is when we see Saitama work like a conventional character storytelling-wise. He's not JUST suppose to win to be funny, but if understanding this was still the basic ideal behind his character, that hasn't changed from the beginning of the series. Not yet, anyway.

[@shatopcrymeh9771]

If it's not meant to be funny, then it's not a gag. Look up what the word gag actually means. Also, using narrative for Saitama is bullshit because other characters also have narratives that can make them undefeatable. In an interview Kim Possible's creator implied she was designed to be able to do anything impossible. So by narrative logic if it's impossible to beat a one-punch man, then she can defeat him. That's why you can't use narrative in a VS debate, because then we'll have a billion characters being omnipotent. There are many anime characters whose narratives are "if they do this, then they win their fight" or "as long as they fight for their friends, they overcome the enemy". It's fine when you're doing a character analysis but in a VS debate it just wouldn't work. We go by whatever is the most reasonable power scaling, with feats. Then there's also the thing that Goku and Vegeta can tank attacks from an actual gag character (with more impressive feats than Saitama) and she was powerless against Beerus who isn't even the strongest DB character.

[@JalenMonday]

​@@shatopcrymeh9771 I mean, I didn't disagree that the premise doesn't work for a VS situation-that's not what I was talking about. My actual point being however, is that the idea behind Saitama's character and fighting ability IS still based on the gag ideal, hence the presentation of his fighting abilities, even against Boros. Seeing a character get blown to the moon, only for their reaction to be "This is almost a real fight", is a part of that. Maybe for some people it was knee-slapping funny or just a ridiculous thing that caused you to chuckle, but that's literally something that is congruent to the idea behind Saitama's character and implemented into his presentation. That's still there regardless, hence the "comedy" of it. I'm talking about his character, not how narrative value from one fictional realm affects another, which in most cases, it never does-especially if we're considering superfluous epitext stuff that isn't REALLY in the show. It's just like how Geekdom once spoke on not using "hype" epitexts spoken about characters as literal data for VS situations, it really needs to just be things that are more applied in the show. That isn't even really the only things that are like that-the "rules" of one world can't automatically extrapolate to another anyway.

[@realloud999]

He's a parody

[@V2ULTRAKill]

@@JalenMonday no one punch man does not have any gag themes to it Parody and satire yes But not gag His one punch would need to be a consistent always oneshotting punch for it to be BASELINE gag

[@JalenMonday]

​@@V2ULTRAKill That's not....talking about semantics here is not really helpful. ALL of these words traditionally hold comical values to them-there's no intricacies needed for this discussion, especially when these terms aren't mutually exclusive in occurrence anyway. A "gag theme" [a laugh-provoking remark or act, joke] is based on comedy. That's the theme, comedy-something relevant to both parody and satire typically. Terminology on this front isn't a point to be made, especially when we're talking about a series that has blatant comedy elements in it, and is written by someone who is known for making gag web comics. I also want to make sure that my point is actually being understood-the comical idea behind Saitama's character and his fighting abilities still remains, regardless if the execution goes beyond "just to be a joke or funny", and turned out to be something more compelling and cool. Those two aspects can 100% coexist in approaches of writing. Saitama's presentation in battle, even the naming scheme of his attacks-these are still going by that foundational, comical, and unconventional idea behind his character and the story. That DOESN'T mean it's limited to that, but it also isn't erased, either. I don't understand what the problem is here. Now I do what's worth a conversation is labeling him as a "gag character", which isn't what I actually did. (not that you did either, but this is something actually worth talking about) There's a difference between pointing at evident elements vs saying what a character is entirely. Which for Saitama, it's just literally inaccurate. You can't simply be a "gag character" of your own show. That makes no sense. He is the main protagonist-that's the most accurate way to describe the type of character he is in the show. I definitely agree with breaking the stigma of calling him a "gag character", sure, but that doesn't erase all other elements that are still included for his character and the story.

[@Mauri2rawww]

This is video is an result of someone who has solid knowledge on both dbz and opm and makes a goku vs saitama debate, the video is completely unbiased

[@Kidwithcommonsense]

Bruh ! I also watched both of this and Found Goku Stronger

[@lasersnow118]

Exactly, when people talk about "This guy stronger than this guy" most of the times they don't even watch the other anime they are comparing to ( *cough some onepiece fans* ).

[@Kidwithcommonsense]

@@lasersnow118 Bruh ! I'm one piece fan and i never said that one piece characters can beat every anime Characters

[@lasersnow118]

@@Kidwithcommonsense Im not particularly referring to you. Its just, most of the one piece fans I've talked to are like that

[@Kidwithcommonsense]

@@lasersnow118 yeah ! Man

[@iphonecloud1]

Jesus Christ solos both of them. Real Chads accept this while fanboys argue over the smallest stuff possible and try get each other mad for no reason. It’s truly amazing 🚬🗿