Setting Up Greatness: Invincible Season 2 Episode 1 Review

[@chilliicecream5456]

I think they’ve permanently added bags under Mark’s eyes for this season, which is very fitting

[@TheTerminator2298]

If you read the comics, older Mark has some BAGS under his eyes. I hope the show follows that little detail

[@ricochet4674]

Yea I noticed that lol. I genuinely really like it its such a good little detail.

[@Sammy-S]

It's amazing how much character the eye bags add to his face this season

[@qawamity]

Interesting detail: the pattern on the card that Olga tried to give to Debbie is three dots, three dashes, and then three dots. It's Morse Code for SOS, the generic call for help.

[@Jade_Dragon]

I thought that's what it was, thanks for the confirmation

[@frenchiesottises8193]

Thank god someone said it! I've never learned Morse Code, but knew right away what the card was saying.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Brilliant episode. I love how mature it was in handling Mark and Debbies trauma, without getting forced or melodramatic.

[@TippyHippy]

I put my hamster in a sock and slammed it against the furniture

[@haileyturner3309]

​@@TippyHippyWTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

[@brandonscott5544]

GREAT SARCASTIC CHORUS INVINCIBLE SEASON TWO EPISODE ONE REVIEW 👌👌👌😉

[@dabearodactyl]

​@@TippyHippy Francis of the Filth, is that you?

[@Young4eva121]

@@TippyHippyI’m sorry that happened…

[@JadoDog]

5:35 "Invincible knows how to be utterly sincere with its writing" Beautifully said! I was blown away when Mark's mom directly referenced being referred to as a pet and then processing how it made her feel. Then after the episode I was wondering why i was blown away, because why wouldn't she mention that? It's a horrible thing to hear from your spouse. And then I realized, even if it's simple and obvious... How many other shows would DO that? I'm so glad Invincible is back.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

To be fair the comics honestly always delved into the multiverse thing so it was bound to come up sooner or later. Thing is they actually handle it pretty well especially the invincible war arc so I'm hoping the show does too.

[@pedanticat9479]

Honestly, it's just pure coincidence that they're adapting the multiverse segments during the time when multiverse is more popular then ever

[@SirToaster9330]

@@pedanticat9479 the multiverse is a fun concept cause you can create multiple scenarios all taking place in the same universe!

[@TupocalypseShakur]

@@alejotassile6441 it literally part of one of the most important arcs in the story and tied to the powers/origin of Mark's archnemesis, they were going to do it

[@juanperret7044]

It's a major plot point in the series tbh

[@juanperret7044]

​@@alejotassile6441have you read the comics?

[@09cheetahman31]

The most horrifying thing about that whole Omni man using Mark to destroy an entire city thing is that he was holding back and we have concrete evidence for that. Edit: thanks for 1K likes I have no idea how this happened.

[@somerandomguy413]

Im assuming u are tslking about Nolan killing "all" the flaxans in Ep2

[@09cheetahman31]

@@somerandomguy413 for sure

[@kato856]

"concrete" yes we do.

[@orangesoda4535]

My ass they did. I dont know how it was in the comics, but the multiverse antics in this episode were nauseatingly contrived.

[@Pipes7472]

@@orangesoda4535it literally was just evil version of mark the universe, how is that fucking contrived?😭😭😭 the comics introduces like 90 evil marks at one point…. Lol

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like how Mark is still mentally scarred by Omni-Man's Heel turn and beating he took from Nolan.

[@pedanticat9479]

Agreed. In the comic they touched on it but not to the same depths as the show

[@TheOpinionatedNobody]

“Heel turn” is wild

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@tauntingeveryone7208 It's only downhill from here for Mark. He can't be at his lowest point already

[@tlkfanrwbyfan8716]

@@lucasbroome1048I meam, at least he ends up with Eve! Eventually… BUT HE GETS THERE

[@noobmasterruben5167]

He's basically season 3 Luz

[@TheRibottoStudios]

You have to admit, part of you wonders what things would be like if Mark HAD joined his father. The way this episode answers that makes you INCREDIBLY glad that his humanity and spirit truly is Invi-

[@markhunter3533]

Mark messed up, imagine how good would life be if earth had joined the viltrum empire

[@michaeledmunds7056]

​@@markhunter3533Disgusting.

[@Kenny-o6i]

@@markhunter3533 A world where everyone has mustaches sounds dope.

[@markhunter3533]

@@Kenny-o6i that should have been the campaing speech

[@daralic2255]

@@markhunter3533I’ll pass on getting eugenics from life. Also, in the comic is it ever shown how worlds are run after Viltrum controls it?

[@jagnestormskull3178]

It was interesting to see a relationship (Robot x Monster Girl) that wasn't driven by hormones. Weird, odd, and interesting.

[@qawamity]

Robot & MG's relationship is based upon mutual empathy for each other's situation: Being "trapped" in a body that sends society very incorrect signals about who and what they are. MG is a human woman of over 20 years of age, yet she appears as either some kind of demi-human monster or as a girl in her early teens. Robot was not a machine, but a remote device operated by a super genius trapped in a life support device; and even now he's still a 30-odd year old super genius in a 14 year old's body, and suddenly experiencing life firsthand.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

​@@qawamity Totally agree. But a lot of the show's relationships are hormone driven (which is to be expected, since so must of the cast are teenagers), so it's interesting to see a relationship that is so empathy driven. Other writers or prospective writers should take notes.

[@awesomeguy9513]

The dimension hop part of the relationship will definitely be interesting to watch, I’m also curious when the mark and eve arc will begin. While the show has done some different parts from the comics mark and eve is important in the later parts of the story, Amber in season 2 is better from season 1 but idk why they made them get back together when we gotta go through another break up which will probably make people hate Amber again ruining any redemption chances

[@reddoreed8764]

They understand eachother

[@WeirdTale]

God I hate to be a Comic Reader.

[@katamas832]

I think Robot was only not participating in battle because he couldn't. I think he genuinely wants to be there instead of just his drones. He just didn't realize how difficult it would be psychologically for him, since he never experienced a real battle. As Monster Girl said, this was just a game to him so far. As someone who has played zombie video games without breaking a sweat and had the opportunity to play one in VR, seeing a zombie in person is far more terrifying than seeing one on the screen. And I didn't expect it. Likely what Robot is going through right now.

[@chongwillson972]

@katamas832 and i see why he is doing it, it spent his whole life, having to use drones to interact with the world, so now he has a body he wants to use it.

[@pindagreat]

I was really surprised that they made Angstrom Levy's supervillain origin happen in the first episode. I remember that whole plotline taking way longer in the comics, but I love the way the show did it. It makes Angstrom more important to Mark's development, so I'm excited to see how they further improve their nemesis dynamic in later episodes. Season 1 took a lot of stuff that was mid in the comics and made it really good, and now we're moving onto stuff that rocks in the source material for season 2.

[@joshgotayoutube3370]

I was thinking the same because by the time he was brought in Mark was with you know who by that then, so I am interested as to seeing what directive they take with his earlier introduction, and how it will spill into other characters.

[@capitanpastabase6342]

and in the end, they didn't do anything with Levy until the season finale. Weird pacing choice tbh

[@kap1618]

Invincible is a grounded Super Hero show because the writers, creator, and director genuinely unironically like Super Heroes. No irony no deconstruction just sincere grounded storytelling.

[@Zarastro54]

I mean, there’s definitely deconstruction, it’s just sincere and well written.

[@89Crono]

I'm so interested in how they'll do the breakup for Amber and Mark now, because if they do it how they did it in the comics, she's just going to come out looking way worse.

[@draykohunter6805]

How would it come out worse? Because based on what other comic readers have told and the pages I saw of their breakup, it seemed pretty mutual. But then again, they have changed Amber already. So maybe that plot point won't come out as well either.

[@89Crono]

@@draykohunter6805 So spoilers, yeah in the comics it was mutual, but the whole reason behind the breakup was that she couldn't keep up with his superhero lifestyle and felt left behind because of it when she found out. Show Amber however got pissed because she felt like she was entitled to learn Mark's secret and will have presumably have been living with the secret for a while by the time the writers get around to breaking them up. Show Amber actively wanted to be involved with a superhero, she even said him leaving for the superheroics wasn't a problem so much as the lying, so the whole "I just can't relate to superhero you and I think we should separate" isn't going to cut it.

[@lavenderxxx1210]

@@89Crono The shows shown how taxing life for non-supes in relationships with superheros are, so I think they will use her to delve more into that. I think they tried to do that with her in season one but it fell flat.

[@CollinMcLean]

@@lavenderxxx1210 It's a problem of two things. 1. Robert Kirkman's style in Invincible was straight to the point and very focused on the action so despite all that it fits in it's actually surprisingly short. That plus Amber no longer being just in the background meant they had to come up with more additions to the story and create some additional characterization which brings us into problem 2... 2. The entertainment industry tends to be pretty bad when it comes to writing teenage girls...

[@suzygirl1843]

​​@@CollinMcLeanAmber and Mark won't break up. They are pushing interracial relationships on Spiderman, Batman, Gen V, The Flash on CW and most other TV shows. They definitely are being sensitive to the issue since Amber became the Defacto villain to nerds last season but trust me, her and Mark are gonna be endgame and Eve will be pushed as this Feminist solo act... at least until Amber grows old and dies.

[@dandyspacedandy]

i think despite mark and eve being endgame, its a good move to have them interact as friends. Its just a shame that amber was handled as poorly as she was, and that markxeve is as overt as it is, because otherwise it'd do a good job of portraying romance at its emotional core, rather than just the typical boy meets girl story. and obviously people do find healthy life-long relationships by actively seeking dates and junk, but I don't think theres enough stories that simply have a friendship evolve into romance without telegraphing it miles away, or completely erasing the foundational friendship that made the relationship possible. plus i think itd be good for the meathead male viewers that typically watch superhero shows, if they're the type to not value any relationship with a woman if its not romantic or sexual.

[@djplaysgames6813]

Well said

[@tech_muzi4350]

Aton eve being paralyzed by mark hits different knowing how Eves mother was treated and captured and used to breed. I could not help but think Mark kept her alive to make a more powerful combination of vitram vitrim ( whatever you get it)

[@galaxyghost1340]

Ew, that’s so gross. But evil mark is so gross too. The line ‘I can visit’ is so horrible, like she’d want to see you after you paralyzed her! Honestly that fate that alternate universe Mark described for Eve sound like life long torture. Killing her would probably have been more merciful

[@Kenny-o6i]

@@galaxyghost1340 It's because he thinks of her like a pet. Yeah it is really fucked up.

[@BrandonOfJapan]

​@@galaxyghost1340 it would have been more merciful, what do you mean probably lmao?

[@xisigma]

I had a feeling that's what he was doing, but you putting into words is a gut punch. Ironically, eve is one of the few non-viltrumite characters who could beat invincible.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

@@xisigma Only if Mark doesn't speed blitz her. He's so much faster then her that if he actually wanted to kill her there would be nothing she could do to stop him.

[@garyoddy1242]

Bet the title sequence if going to follow the same patten as series one with blood but cracks, represent the boundaries between different universes. It's a fantastic way to show the progression on from the last season and representing the new threat, I hope all the series so this.

[@qawamity]

It's also possible that the cracks could be symbolic of Mark's mental health. Season one was blood, representing the physical beatings Mark took; season two cracks to symbolize his psychological damage... Of, course, it's also possible it could be both. One of the things with interpreting symbolism like this is that there may be no right answer, or even every answer might be right.

[@firecode6824]

I think it’s hinting at Conquest, and their fight, which I think is going to be the season finale.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

I knew that the intro was either a dream or an alternate universe instantly, if only because of the episode description. Didn’t expect them to not do the title card until the end of the episode.

[@pedanticat9479]

What's funny is that segment from the comic is only like 2 or 3 pages long. Not only does the show expand upon it but it's clearly meant to tie into Mark fear of becoming like his dad

[@Just_Fungus]

I knew it was an alternate universe when I saw robot still in his old body.

[@baelliche5647]

@pedanticat9479 I like how it also serve to show in more detail how Angstrom will hate Invincible, by focusing on this alternate Levy who suffers through Vultrumite rule, in addition to just telling that in most universe, Mark is evil. They focus on that aspect, instead of the comics were it's imply much later that's the core of Angstrom madness and hatred for Mark.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@baelliche5647 Good point. Angstrom doesn't just say "Invincible betrayed humanity in most universes," the perspective of an alternate Angstrom proves it.

[@markhunter3533]

That is because that was an invincible, the title card is only for "insert the title card"

[@saucymongoose7246]

I just finished the Invincible comic recently and OH BOY does Mark go through A LOT!!! A certain thing happened between Mark and another character that kinda made me scream "NO!!!" outloud. Woke up everyone in the house that day.

[@draykohunter6805]

You've blessed my eyes with Asuka/Candice Thank you

[@falconeshield]

I....know what you're talking about. The audience isn't ready.

[@hellblaze10]

Is it the forced reproduction thing?

[@StrawberryMochii222]

Is their any sites good online to read the invincible comics?

[@saucymongoose7246]

@@StrawberryMochii222 readcomiconline

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Angstrom faced a trolley cart problem, and flipped the wrong switch.

[@pedanticat9479]

So I revisited the comics to see how the aftermath of Omni Man vs Mark was handled there vs the show and god, this is yet another indicator of how the show is such an improvement of the source material. The show dives more into the guilt that Mark feels along with the fear of becoming like his father along with delving more into how Nolan's betrayal has affected Mark and Debbie. I also like the show version of Cecil so much better than the comic version. Both are morally gray individuals who'll do whatever it takes to keep Earth safe but the show has Cecil showcase more genuine compassion and empathy. Unlike in the comic, Cecil is actually concerned about Mark's mental state with him wanting to actually heal before trying to be a hero again. I prefer morally gray characters who despite doing shady things, isn't unfeeling monster and can actually showcase empathy and recognize that some of the things they do are messed up. Really curious to see how they're going to adapt the events of Invincible #49 and #50.

[@SirToaster9330]

For anyone wondering, that evil Mark is actually a cannibal, in a later storyline, he eats the other Marks, and goes insane. Also Viltrumites get stronger as they heal, so all of Mark's beat down are slowly turning him into god

[@diegorodriguez8006]

Not true. Canibal mark was just a Mark that was starving. 99% of Marks embrace his Viltrum ancestry. Our Mark is an oddity

[@oblue0033]

They get stronger when they heal from near death experiences? Viltrumites really are saiyans

[@blueguygaming1330]

They don’t get stronger as they heal they get stronger the more they push themselves. Like working out

[@lucasbroome1048]

Not that specific Mark. We aren't even sure he'll show up again unless he modifies his costume

[@SirToaster9330]

@@diegorodriguez8006 Well, I'm pretty sure this mark is the cannibal since he is part of the Viltrum Empire

[@digunder14]

Cecil is basically Lawful Evil, is all i will say without going into examples from the comics and the show seems very much in line with that statement

[@qawamity]

Dare I say it, Cecil is a LE that *wants* to be LG, but knows if he was he wouldn't be able to make the immoral and unethical decisions that, in his eyes, serve the greater good. At least in this adaptation, Cecil just low-key hates himself.

[@CharlieQuartz]

As someone who's never read the comics and is only following the show, I've never thought of Cecil as Lawful Evil. He's a pragmatist with the best outcome for the world in mind and every morally questionable act he's taken so far has been justified to defend people. He takes advantage of people "in the game" of superheroing and villainy but I've always seen him "doing the right thing" with suspect means.

[@digunder14]

yeah that is more or less one way one can be lawful evil, else i guess chaotic good would be more accurate then, ie doing what ever you feel is necessary for the good of others@@CharlieQuartz

[@CharlieQuartz]

This is my favorite part of discussing alignment lol. When graphically opposite positions can be argued similarly and complicated characters often defy the bounds of the chart. Cecil sometimes seems to have a personal code that he's willing to break for loftier goals and he sometimes acts within a frame of hierarchy and law but the broad purview he's granted within that system makes it one can exploit rather than be limited by. I think I'd put Cecil in Lawful Neutral. @@digunder14

[@RiceCubeTech]

I disagree. Cecil in the show seems much kinder than the one in the comics. He’s straight up manipulative and makes bad decisions for the greater good. Here he’s still manipulative but mostly makes the right call and does very much care about his old relationship with Nolan, he seems to care much more for Debbie, but he is cautious about mark. Who wouldn’t be?

[@Imsleepeebruh]

the card debbie is handed by olga is morse code. ... --- ... translates to SOS. It's nice that they didn't feel the need to say "heres a card and the dots and dashes are morse code for SOS" and just let us put the pieces together if we felt the need.

[@brenlc1412]

5:13 Adding the sounds of Omni-Man punching Invincible made the joke better.

[@davekisman2763]

Omni-Man to Invincible: I was wrong to raise you as a human. I should've prepared you better, taught you more. Your life has been soft and painless. You're a viltrumite in blood only. Well, your true education begins... now. What if Omni-Man did taught Invincible from the very beginning in an alternate universe?

[@Gwen1001]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about the whole amber x mark thing, like they made it so obvious that hes going to be with Eve that we know its going to end at some point. The only part that I'm not looking forward to is how it ends because chances are its going to end with one of them being the bad guy in some way instead of the preferable scenario of them just slowly drifting apart and just breaking up. I'm also hoping that by that point amber is seen in a better light by the audience, because I hate it when characters are hated because of bad writing decisions and not cause they are meant to be.

[@suzygirl1843]

​​​@CollinMcLean Amber and Mark won't break up. They are pushing interracial relationships on Spiderman, Batman, Gen V, The Flash on CW and most other TV shows. They definitely are being sensitive to the issue since Amber became the Defacto villain to nerds last season but trust me, her and Mark are gonna be endgame and Eve will be pushed as this Feminist solo act... at least until Amber grows old and dies.

[@kristina1097]

Totally agree. I’ve never read the comics, but from what I’ve been told, Amber had much more consistent, fair writing. I think the creators decided to make her unlikable in the show (setting HER up to be the bad guy) just so the audience won’t be sad about her eventual breakup with Mark. Which I hate. The writers really underestimated the audience with that choice; and in my opinion, is the only big flaw in season 1. They may have accepted some of that criticism- She had good scenes with Mark in S2E1, and I’m hoping that will be the case with her on the show, going forward.

[@kaylasansone9806]

i think the writers intentionally made amber to be unlikeable in the show so the audience would collectively root for mark x eve rather than mark x amber. and i believe that did happen prior to his fight with omni man in most other realities, which resulted in mark following omni man and the world being destroyed. i read someone else’s comment stating that 99% of realities resulted in invincible turning bad, and i feel like mark’s romantic relationship status at the time of the invincible x omni man fight had a significant influence on his decision. mark would be way more likely to support the idea that humans are inferior and insignificant to super humans if he was dating another super human. amber keeps mark down to earth and demonstrates real human experiences, which keeps mark connected to his humanity. think about it, amber changed atom eve’s whole perspective and ignited her insatiable desire to save others just by hanging out together one time

[@Gwen1001]

@@kaylasansone9806 see idk about that first part, thing is its easy to tell when writers want a character to be hated. If they kept up her lois lane shenanigans in season 2 then I could see it, not to mention if they wanted people to root for markXeve its so much easier to go about it in the way they are in season 2, by showing us how hard it is for their 2 worlds to mix.

[@ARandomEliatrope]

Honestly after watching the atom eve special and then jumping into s2 with the knowledge she was and still is THAT powerful, i'm surprised evil mark and omni-man even exist in the alternate evil universes.

[@ChiWillett]

literally tho

[@kauacarlos2920]

I would say that the paralyzed now eve never broke her mental barrier and was could only manipulate non-organic atoms

[@__Oku__]

Wait, I didn't even notice Donald being alive 😭

[@lightolineo551]

He died in season 1 🤔🤔

[@Young4eva121]

Right! I think that was very intelligent of the writers to just incorporate him in the next season without much of an explanation until the end of the first half. It represented the thin line between normalcy and tragedy

[@jessetorres8738]

I think it's safe to assume that the original Mauler died a long time ago & the clones just keep cloning themselves, though this does beg the question why Mauler doesn't make a handful of clones instead of just 1 at a time?

[@thatoneguy5343]

If he did that, then all of them will fight for leadership, so he lessens the risk by only cloning one. With one there’s a good chance they can be genuine partners.

[@Taylor-rw4le]

I'm so glad they dove right into angstrom levy, one of my favorite fights in the series is clearly coming up and I'm hoping they got the ok to do some of the cameos they did in the comics for this arc

[@geardog24]

You say therapy wouldn’t help, but Mark definitely needs a professional to talk with. Or someone weaker to fight.

[@Ledecral]

Makes me sad that non-comics people will initially think Angstrom is a budget Kang the Conqueror. They'll all soon learn though.

[@billyboi2429]

Ikr, it bothers me people think they ripped the multi verse thing from marvel when the comics did it before marvel fully ran that stuff dry

[@SuperRobotSol]

I'm glad to see Bobby Hill again

[@jordanwebster4170]

Not gonna lie, unless they explain it donald is gonna confuse the hell out of me for the rest of days

[@magne7771]

Imagine if they just keep cloning Cecil new assistants when he needs one

[@pindagreat]

They explain it later in the comics. It's only a matter of time

[@TupocalypseShakur]

He's a Cyborg in the comics

[@ogieogie]

Don't post spoilers! Have some decency.

[@baronsamedi7659]

He gotta be a clone

[@mr.medina9836]

8:00 Actually, that's basically what happened in the comics. Debbie joins a group of people who are all partners and relatives of superheroes to help her deal with her issues. She eventually becomes friends with Claire, the wife of a superhero named Super-Patriot. I predict they are replacing Claire with the Olga.

[@diserna98]

I don't know if this was confirmed in the comics, but I would like to think that in all these other universes Omni Man didn't call Debbie a pet and that is why in majority of universes Invincible follows him.

[@kaylasansone9806]

soooo true

[@kaylasansone9806]

i also feel like in the majority of the universes where invincible follows omni man, mark was dating atom eve rather than amber. i feel like amber is a character that keeps mark down to earth and is a testament to humanity and empathy

[@ElliotButch23]

The whole gag of doing the opposite gag the show did with the title screen is absolute gold!

[@reddoreed8764]

As someone who read the comics. Donald being back made me laugh my ass off

[@iverakansol9218]

SAME HAHAH I'm glad he's back

[@Raghetiel]

I actually enjoyed watching mark doing casual heroics

[@ralph9989]

Love that meme at the end 😂😂😂 Poor mark can't catch a break 😂😂😂

[@yever4635]

I know that Amber isn't "end game" and I don't really care, I wanted to see some nice moments with her & Mark before she ultimately leaves. Mark doesn't need any additional drama right now. But somehow, she still came off as manipulative with the whole letter reveal. I get that it was intended to be playful but think: she purposefully switched the letters to get Mark's reaction to her letter. Then said she didn't believe him when he said he wanted to go. She KNOWS how badly he wants that. Even Cecil knows. Why would she go through that whole song and dance? I don't think it would've been that bad if she showed the letter maybe 1/2 through, but making him "prove" what he said just didn't feel right. I was really trying to throw her a bone, I don't hate her I'm just amazed at how they keep putting her in a bad light.

[@society7394]

One episode in, and it feels great to have peak fiction back!

[@GenerationWest]

As someone who's read Invincible to the end: Most of Amber's stuff is new, so I don't know how that's gonna end in this, because they're stretching out Mark and Eve's relationship much longer. The arc is multiversal heavy, it just at the moment where media companies are finally catching up with comics. They explain Donald very nonchalantly in the books too, basically like everything in the world has one, but they explain and move on.

[@suzygirl1843]

Why assume they're gonna keep the Mark and Eve Canon? Seth Rogan is pro-interracial relationships as per Gen V.

[@GenerationWest]

@@suzygirl1843 Well, for one... Gen V is mostly original show, they can do whatever they want there. Invincible is as close as your getting to a American Anime, a show that follows a source 95%. Secondly, if they did do that, that's changing completely changing the series by doing that, which no one wants, not even Robert Kirkman, and this series is his baby.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@GenerationWest honestly even anime aren't above making drastic changes to the source material.

[@dakotatolley1819]

"Red Smear" You wrong for that one 🤣🤣🤣

[@Aliasfakename123]

I too feel like Amber is really being done dirty and a lot of the audience seems to be taking the most bad faith interpretations of everything she does/says. I've seen people unironically say she's worse than Omni man and is the actual villain of the show. Like, she's an immature teenager guys, it's not that deep

[@falconeshield]

I still would've preferred the twist that Amber was Nightowl's (? I forgot his name) daughter. Her pain of Mark keeping a secret....would've made sense.

[@strudelh]

Not a big fan of Amber, but I would never compare her to Omni-Man or say she's even worse. Insane take really !!

[@jd1800]

​@@falconeshieldDarkwing, yeah it's pretty much ripped from Nightwing.

[@zashgekido5616]

Its... tricky. The writers fucked up something SEVERE with Amber last season but at the moment admitting that and accepting means breaking the illusion of immersion, so unless they actually address that in universe it's gonna be a rough ride for her

[@futuretrunksss6625]

Yeah I dunno she was legitimately written to be awful from the first time we see her.Kicking a guy in the nuts and blackmailing him to give Mark her number instead of just asking him herself and even almost hooking up with someone else on the same night she stormed out on Mark.The reason why people focus on her so much is that she is radically different and badly written compared to pretty much everyone else (not even compared to her comic version).It honestly feels like someone completely different wrote her character but atleast she was okay in the last episode

[@andrews4717]

In the comic it was unclear if the mauler that survived was from the main universe. In this they pretty much made it clear because of how well received the characters were. I find the minor changes to mostly be improvements in the story telling

[@Karlos1234ify]

Everyone is hyped for the Invincible Invasion War, I’m hyped for the absolute UNIT Conquest

[@terrafletcher1930]

Cecil is totally being shady. My biggest discomfort I had at this episode is that it seems a ton of death is coming over a misunderstanding. I really don't enjoy that kind of writing, probably because so much could be avoided with just a little information, but I understand that it's indicative of the show and how things are going to play out, it just eats at my soul. I'm still afraid of the alien parasite Mark screwed up.

[@auliamate]

same im fearfully waiting for that payoff

[@PuppetSquid]

The Robot-in-the-suit bit could be made to make sense with his character of wanting to see the world after so long of being trapped in a bottle in a cellar - the only 'wait theyre meant to be smart' thing that really annoyed me was Langstrom clearly being able to use portals while in the machine and not just, idk, sending invincible (or even the twins) to another reality while he cooked. Just have him not be able to open portals while under the machine; you can justify it by his mind being actively altered.

[@Rorschach_123]

Omni man did not have to piece up the immortal that badly in the opening scenes. 💀

[@padawanmage71]

About Donald…THANK YOU! Every other review I’ve seen either didn’t mention it, or just shrugged on the appearance. The show doesn’t make that kind of mistake, so I have to think the Donald is something else.

[@hellblaze10]

There is

[@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123]

I think what they could've done with Amber, if they had to have her at all, is make her actions have consequences. Mark doesn't want to get back with her. Maybe he'd be find just being friends, but he doesn't a girlfriend.

[@suzygirl1843]

​​​@CollinMcLean Amber and Mark won't break up. They are pushing interracial relationships on Spiderman, Batman, Gen V, The Flash on CW and most other TV shows. They definitely are being sensitive to the issue since Amber became the Defacto villain to nerds last season but trust me, her and Mark are gonna be endgame and Eve will be pushed as this Feminist solo act... at least until Amber grows old and dies.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@@suzygirl1843Huh??? Wgaf about inter-racial couples. Anyways why would they do that, it isn't like that (so I heard) in the comments, and if she gets old and dies before the series ends then she isn't endgame now is she.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@user-th1pv6ks5o I mean that they might make THIS series more like CW's Arrowverse where comics-wise Oliver & Laurel are endgame but in live action it's Oliver & Felicity who marry and have Mia Queen. They don't have to be faithful to comics all the time. Besides, producers and showrunners don't like their fans, remember? Didn't fans try to remove Iris West even though she and Barry were endgame in the comics and they doubled down on Barry&Iris from S4 and onwards while every other character got less development?

[@suzygirl1843]

@@user-th1pv6ks5o They are making more and more diverse stories and they're not giving white chicks the spotlight anymore unless they're grumpy Feminist Captain Marvel types. They don't want damsels, they don't want traditional wives, and they won't promote Eve as a typical love interest to Mark, Eve's probably gonna get a girlfriend. If S2 E1 was any indication, they are gonna make Eve hardcore like her other dimension self with a buzzcut who got paralyzed. They're just not gonna make it obvious and just focus on character beats. Amber S1 was a misfire that they're already fixing. Gwen Stacy is also a Trans Rights Activist Cool Girl in an interracial relationship with Miles Morales. Gen V has LGBTQ Asian and black female leads and made the one OP hetero white girl with mind control powers the villain. See a PATTERN? Same producers of Invincible.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@suzygirl1843 where did you get the idead the producers and writers for this show dislike their fans?

[@moonlitmortician6694]

I think part of the reason Mark is so depressed has to do with his desire to help people. He doesn’t just want to not hurt people, he wants to save them. And not being able to do anything while his dad used him as a human battering ram has got to leave him feeling powerless. A feeling that plays into his guilt because he’s supposed to be better than that, at least in his mind.

[@Gamerguy-ud1zo]

I already spoiled myself on the rest of the series and for the most part I am genuinely curious how the show will handle a lot of things that will happen later on. It will probably worked around some to keep with shows preferred tone, but believe me it’s going to be real heavy stuff in the future.

[@magicoddball1452]

Donald dying to Omni-man was not the first time he's died, hes a cyborg and has some of his brain matter recycled.

[@goldenlatias152]

I'm so glad I binge watched this before season 2 premiered going into this season completely blind like everyone else has me so excited

[@saml302]

all the things you mention abt Marc feeling responsible, but also... Marc is 17.

[@superchamploo1155]

As much as I hated amber after last season, I’ll give her a clean slate for season 2 cos I don’t want to hold on to hate anymore 😂. Imma give her ONE MORE CHANCE and she’s doing okay so far

[@suzygirl1843]

I almost never came back to this show because if the Amber hate. Everyone knows Zazie Beatz is great actress but it's the writers who miscalculated the reception of their modern Amber reinterpretation/ revamp

[@BrandonOfJapan]

Im curious to know what took this show so long to come back, and why we are getting a mid season break. Is it discussions with where the show should go in terms of writing? Are they waiting to see fan reception so they have room to reevaluate their plans? Is it lining up the talent for the voices? Is it getting the animation done? Im intrigued to know what part of the process takes the longest, i would adore a making of tagged alongside every season end.

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

The strike???

[@itzcloudy5672]

Ok I don’t want to spoil much but as a comic reader your analysis of bullet proof, robot, Rex, Eve and angstrom is completely spot on and I can tell you are a seasoned and cultured superhero watcher. Props to you man!

[@fightingmedialounge519]

It's close, but not entirely accurate.

[@greyworld6242]

I’m definitely gonna love this season.

[@9Maciej]

I'm probably not the first one who commented on this, but as someone who after watching season 1 read good chunk of the original comic, now I see show-only fans gassing out what all of this means, why and where it will go, I get this feeling of "ha, so that's what manga readers feel like, lmao".

[@socriabbas454]

I just want to point out how evil Mark and good Mark differs in more than just morals. Evil Mark puts the blame on other people for his killing while Good Mark can't stop blaming himself for all the death and destruction iis father did even though it wasn't his fault

[@fightingmedialounge519]

That... still involves morals.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

After decpnstructing Superhero stories. We are now in the era of reconstructing them. Beautiful.

[@Likeomgitznich]

I find it really weird that immortal was supposed to check for survivors, but missed 2z

[@DionysianRose]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Your turnaround is breaking new ground. Deep up the excellent work.

[@BlitzDemonGamer3032]

This is a Great Season premiere of Invincible this show is Incredible

[@Ramquesting]

The invincible team simply don't miss i never doubted it wouldn't be great! Glad to see Amber isn't terrible so far too I'm liking her this season :]

[@snelldor1474]

Spoilers for the entire Invincible Comic: 15:05 I’m honestly surprised that you managed to predict so much despite not reading the comic.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Half of it just down recognizing basic writing formuals.

[@starsartbar]

I cant wait for this season to critically engage with how just blindly following Cecil's orders might turn Mark into his dad, really like that "this is what you get following my orders" line

[@andrews4717]

Everyone keeps thinking that Levy is gonna be the big bad and that it’s gonna be a multiverse story, but it’s only gonna be a small part. For most of the series it’s focused on the one universe the shows set in. The multiverse thing is more of a interesting stop gape for a bit

[@Sparky6Voltz]

I only just found out that this show is back Thanks, social medias, really giving me this info fast, eh?

[@ctripp0073]

7:20 "red smear" bro did red rush dirty you did not have to do him like that, that was cruel

[@adriel3560]

i love the moment with Todd straight out of tasm fantastic

[@jesserivera2043]

One great sign this season is going to be exceptional is how they handled the concept of multiverses. I hate it when that trope is used as a get out of jail card for character deaths, and they use it perfectly to establish how Mark is different.

[@rsj2877]

Like it focuses that these other alternate universe version of charactes are in a degree completely differently characters, and that it keeps in that that universe's character is still dead dead, with an alt self not fitting the only remaining shoes.

[@monde8951]

It kinda annoys me that hollywood has ruined the multiverse for ppl, bcuz the Invincible comics did it fantastically but now ppl are just gonna whine about another multiverse story

[@AigisVibes720]

You’re not wrong, but hopefully people will like it.

[@auliamate]

loved the episode, and the idea that nolan beat mark so hard he beat the caucasian out is too funny. also good to know i wasnt the only person to notice the mark changes alongside donald basically immortalling himself back from the dead

[@last2nkow]

i genuinely adore Ceisel and his grey morality. i think he is actually a very moral person, and uses the fact that sometimes being the caring and concerned guy allows him to do his job, and i think if he didnt have empathy he would be more heavy handed and put less emphasis on the manipulating people into what is effectively self care, which he does a fair amount. i mean, imagine being a person with a strong moral code, but also planetary defence against super beings is your responsibility. i imagine that id try to do my best to look after my assets genuinely, but if coddling them is going to cost the earth a valuable asset at a critical moment id have to balance the immediate threat vs the long term damage to the hero.

[@aidarosullivan5269]

Robot probably hates the delay between him and a drone.

[@agabasamuel4466]

I love this review its like hearing more thoughts but in a more organized more eloquent manner sir u have a subscriber in me

[@CosmicCreeper99]

The first 2 Invincible title card baits were really funny, the 3rd one was kinda good but I really didn’t like the 4th one that’s trying too hard

[@benschiemer]

I really like Mark’s new face this season

[@guppy9186]

I live just outside of wells in England, can’t get away from that greater good reference. Hits home too much 😂

[@Terrors_in_Teacups]

First Club :D Awesome Video as always ~ Hyped for Season 2 already!

[@Frenzy_Ice]

Since I don’t read the comics that angstrom twist got me, I knew there was a guy with portal powers that gets invincible and tortured him with that big brain

[@9Maciej]

BTW, some people might already comment, but Bulletproof is actually a call back to the initial concept for Mark, with the costume and how initially was going to be called "Bulletproof". But after he revised the concept as Invincible, he revisited the idea and just made a new original character.

[@lavaxc4307]

NOBODY GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WOMAN JUST ENTERED DEBBIE'S HOME AND JUST MADE HER SELF COMFORTABLE LIKE HELLO ??? AND MADE DINNER TOO? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@radiocoffee7700]

I loved the little pause before someone said invincible I thought it was soooo funny and silly

[@vondakaze4151]

Honest to God, i watched the episode yesterday, and somehow, I forgot Donald was dead until mans said "Donald, somehow being alive again"😭😭

[@Silver_Spectre]

I know where it leads to and this is a fantastic episode to start

[@KumaoftheForest]

One thing I am curious about is how they’re gonna handle a “certain” scene involving mark and a viltramite woman. I doubt they’ll show it on screen but still

[@haveagoodday7021]

Not to be sensitive, but I'd honestly be glad if it just gets cut out completely.

[@billcipher3946]

@@haveagoodday7021No we need this

[@chongwillson972]

@@haveagoodday7021 IDK it does show how viltramite customs are messed up, while also showing a very rare case of R-word in media which we never see.

[@wakkaseta8351]

@@haveagoodday7021 And cut out her resulting character development and the resulting character along with it?

[@jerryunderdog5912]

Considering that we don’t see anyone but Cecil even acknowledge that he’s even there, my theory is that he’s a figment of cecils mind. Either that or a clone, in that case idk maybe they got their hands on some of the maulers tech or something.

[@last2nkow]

i really like the arc for Angstrom in the comic. i hope they just show us that with a minimum of changes to iron out the wrinkles and expand on the personal side like they did in S2 E1 by showing us evil mark and Omni-man killing that angstroms friends it really made the hatred feel more visceral and understandable than in the comic, so more like that would be awesome, but otherwise just keep as is.

[@boqk]

By far one of the best openings I've watched to a new season

[@emexdizzy]

To answer your questions, Angstrom did not know the machine would explode. The Maulers just told him "we can't stop it" they did not tell him what would happen if he took the helmet off. Secondly, Robot needed the Maulers, not because he needed someone who could clone _bodies_ but because he needed his _memories_ cloned, and that's what the Maulers do well, perfectly clone someone's memories into a new body.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I love this hollow feeling that the first episode has. It really is like Nolan died. It’s especially very effective because it’s clear Debbie and Mark just keep avoiding the break downs that they both are having. They’re trying their best to move on with their lives but they’re both not okay. Regardless of what Nolan has done, he was still a huge part of both of their lives. He was Mark’s hero and he was the love of Debbie’s life. With him gone, it’s a huge hole that can’t be filled. It’s just really sad to watch despite everything that’s happened.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

I see that the universe that Mark was convinced by his father, lacking Debbie. Which is dark & sad.

[@rokmutul8445]

I think that cecil made a robot version of donald to replace him after his death

[@kzarkage]

You know when creators mess up a character but they're too stubborn to get rid of the character but the fans still loathe them Amber in a nutshell

[@rynhawks]

Finished the comics right before season 2 so I spent that whole first episode exited. Leavy is one of the best villains. I love the show and it’s fun seeing more of the comic interpreted (by that I mean the way characters act) I love all the changes in the first season and seeing the comic characters react to it is really fun.

[@rynhawks]

Also I know it’s only the first episode but so far second season amber is more like comic book amber