Setuf-(ES) | When Is Slavery Moral? | Talk Heathen 05.50

[@sunzi42]

Setuf is very dishonest and should be banned until she can produce honesty.

[@paulsirmay8405]

Setuf will keep calling this show and all the other one's until she get's that " HA! I GOT YOU MOMENT!" Until then, she will lose sleep trying to figure out how to do that.

[@erl7466]

he is not a she he only says that so they will let him talk about abortion

[@paulsirmay8405]

@@erl7466 yes I realize that. Sometimes you have to pacify stupid in order to show their redundency.

[@alvallac2171]

*ones (plural non-possessive) one's = singular possessive (or a contraction of "one is/has") Apostrophes are for contractions or possessive nouns, not for pluralizing, conjugating, or randomly selected words that end in -s. *gets (same reason)

[@paulsymons1184]

Setuf is an anagram of fetus, how whimsical.

[@doctorshell7118]

“How do you say it”? Fetus, of course.

[@keithulhu]

Setuf is a troll of the first order.

[@ummmno3871]

I’m shocked more ppl in these comments aren’t familiar with ole Fetus here lol

[@tedmoy]

Oh Johnny, you rock

[@barryweatherley5046]

I’m pretty sure the only reason Setuf asserts “her” feminine pronouns is to claim the right to share an opinion about abortion…since many believe these rights are for women only. Maybe they need to change that to ONLY THOSE WITH WOMBS or ONLY THOSE WHO CAN BECOME PREGNANT have the right to discuss and debate abortion. Then perhaps Setuf will stop calling in.

[@barryweatherley5046]

@Jarod Armstrong you mean like no body asked for yours but you give it anyway? Actually, when it comes to having an opinion you are right. But when it comes to voicing them in protest then I believe, as do many, that the debate on women’s rights should be left to the women. What a woman chooses to do with her body is her business. End of discussion.

[@tomaszkantoch4426]

Let's call him "set up" if he doesn't care :D

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Let's call him "Get Stuffed!" instead!

[@barborajureckova8172]

I find it really ironic that she would denounce slavery and then want to ban abortion... As if it didn't remove bodily autonomy from pregnant people

[@alanelse1389]

I really don't know why u keep taking the calls 🤷‍♂️. You know what it will be about, and it's all bullshit.

[@kissit012]

This guy is strategically asking stupid questions and the answers are probably helping a lot of other people. (Guy is a non gendered term in this context)

[@andyrihn1]

I genuinely believe his claimed gender identity is insincere. When he first called in he identified as he/him but then changed to she/her conveniently after every show host he called called him out for being a dude trying to legislate female bodies

[@adamturowski3765]

@@andyrihn1 Not exactly. This person changed the pronoun when was told by the call screener that they don't need any more males taking about abortion on the show. This person simply circumvent these limitations by lying about the gender

[@andyrihn1]

@@adamturowski3765 I believe the point still stands

[@benf6822]

@@adamturowski3765 still dishonest and disrespectful

[@adamturowski3765]

@@benf6822 No argument there

[@nobodycares4321]

Didn't Setuf call AXP recently but was a guy then? If so why would they change it like that?

[@shanewilson7994]

Setuf changed their pronoun (basically lying about it) in order so people can't say "well this is a woman's issue" (which I also have an issue with that blanket issue too).

[@carolinenagel7085]

I pronounce hern ame (Setuf) as Idjut.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

Setuf has been on assorted shows, and dishonest.

[@DarkFire0421]

I have hear Setuf call on the athiest experience b4 ... also who is Kevin? Is there a Playlist of the calls Johnny mentioned that he is monitoring... I'd like to see what he has put together.. it's pretty cool that he pays that much attention to his callers :)

[@alvallac2171]

*atheist

[@Sanxioned1]

Setuf could be pronounced "shtuff" too; I'd do that considering she doesn't care. Or perhaps the 'e' and 't' are both silent so it's just "Suf".

[@AntitheistHuman]

What an incredibly dishonest person, smh

[@claudiasolomon1123]

He hung up on Setuf, but he can't defeat this strong independent woman she has a voice that MUST BE HEARD YOU GO GIRL!!

[@josephmayfield945]

Everything about that call was dumb.😂

[@Paolo8772]

So does this mean that if an animal can't give consent it's bad to have sex with them but ok to torture and kill them for the taste of their flesh? For the record: I'm a meat eater and I have cognitive dissonance about it but at least I have the guts to admit it. I've also never had sex with an animal, at least not yet.

[@rider24ZA]

Respect

[@andyrihn1]

“Torture” is loaded I don’t think most people who eat meat are ok with torturing the animals. Also most people extend some moral worth to non-humans just not coequal with humans. Therefore bestiality, killing them purely for sport, or inhumanly slaughtering them (what you probably meant by torture) wouldn’t be ok but killing them for food would be. Make it as painless as possible and use every part. Just note though that I don’t take this view. I believe morality exists only within social contracts so while I wouldn’t want to torture or molest an animal I don’t grant them moral worth and would have a viscerally negative reaction to those that do. I don’t think people necessarily have moral worth

[@benf6822]

@@andyrihn1 I'd consider rape torture and these animals are not bred naturally (generally speaking). If you were to fist a woman with some dude's sperm I'm pretty sure it would land you charges, and if you did it repeatedly it would count as torture.

[@andyrihn1]

@@benf6822 I don’t think most people would consider it rape if it’s nonhumans. And even those that do see it as some lesser form of rape.

[@benf6822]

@@andyrihn1 a lesser form of rape is still torturous surely? In what universe is fisting and inseminating a sentient creature not torturous? These creatures are aware of what reproduction is, they're aware of what mating is and in most situations choose a mate. Most people don't see female on male rape as rape, do you think that makes it lesser?

[@vatsmith8759]

In ancient times when tribe warred against tribe wouldn't enslaving the defeated tribe at least be less immoral than exterminating them?

[@Alakaizer]

There was also the option to release them.

[@Patrick77487]

🤦‍♂Seeking relevance thru trolling every ACA channel.

[@adamturowski3765]

This person trolls most of the popular atheist shows on KZbin, not only ACA ones

[@SuperRadrat]

It’s a guy caller, stop apologizing for this bs…..

[@SchroderCat]

He's a man. Stop the pronoun nonsense. "Mis-gendering" someone is not worth comment.

[@mannie7028]

Setuf is a fake by admission of his calls to numerous sites. He’s seeking attention. Great movie recommendation!

[@clineezwood7942]

Get rid of the pronoun bs! Just call people by their names. You are who you are, I don't care.

[@jayrose8638]

You don’t care so much you had to comment about it lol.

[@erl7466]

well whether you don’t care is essentially irrelevant. if someone associates with a gender not generally accepted when looking at them they may have a bone to pick, so to speak, and it will matter very much to THEM. respecting pronouns is basically showing effort to progress thinking, and has a social benefit. if it’s too much trouble then just do what you do; it’s only a big problem when considering the idea en masse, i.e., on social media I suppose, which is another way of saying where children bother fussing over shit anonymously.

[@mg-ew2xf]

"sToP tAlKiNg AbOuT rAce. i DoNt SeE cOlOr. YoU cAn Be PuRpLe, I dOn'T cArE."

[@bigdaddygoon828]

That a man no doubt about Man aka adult male

[@DevinKime]

There are women who sound exactly like that. Not all men are "adult males."

[@andyrihn1]

@@DevinKime setuf is in fact a man who’s called under he/him but then changed it when hosts called him out for being a man trying to legislate female bodies

[@DevinKime]

@@andyrihn1 oh I'm sure that's true, the caller definitely seemed insincere to me in the use of their pronouns. But what I'm saying is that it isn't up to us to dictate to others what pronouns they use, especially not on the basis of biological sex. There are plenty of biological males who go by she/her pronouns and who have deeper voices.

[@andyrihn1]

@@DevinKime Was anyone arguing he’s a man because of his voice?

[@DevinKime]

@@andyrihn1 OP was, they were saying he sounded like a man, which they then defined as an adult male. That's not what men are, because some men are females.

[@litchfiedr]

He is not a she/her

[@wordnoise4741]

This was handled very badly and unfairly by the hosts. I like these hosts. But this call was not a good advert for the show.

[@magnus231]

Wasting time on a troll isn't the goal of this show

[@wordnoise4741]

@@magnus231 Setuf is actually capable of completely reasonable and fair conversations if given the chance. Being glib, smug and rude with her serves no purpose and makes the two very nice hosts come across as complete a-holes.

[@magnus231]

@@wordnoise4741 Setuf has repeatedly shown to be dishonest when she calls though admittedly I don't have much expirience with Setuf outside this show so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt based on what you said

[@andyrihn1]

@@wordnoise4741 giving dishonest pronouns simply because a call screener said the show didn’t want anymore dudes talking about abortion is strike one you’re out. Setuf is a dishonest troll.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@wordnoise4741 "Setuf is actually capable of completely reasonable and fair conversations if given the chance" Now *THAT* is *TOTAL BULLSHIT!*

[@Victorprossart1]

I'm an atheist, but I got to say you guys are smary as hell with people. It's off-putting.

[@Alex-0597]

To be fair, it's Setuf. They used to go by male pronouns in their first few calls. But legend has it that one day a call screener said the show was tired of taking calls from dudes about abortion. Lo and behold, Setuf went on a journey of self discovery and realized that he was in fact a she and called in next time with female pronouns. Or, alternatively, gave dishonest pronouns to "troll" the show. So I'll forgive some smarminess on the host's part.

[@thomasmulloy6424]

Setuf is a troll. She is just here to troll. So what exactly do you expect?

[@SchroderCat]

But they "care" so much about "mis-gendering" someone, which is such a convoluted concept.

[@DevinKime]

@@SchroderCat nah, not misgendering people is a really simple concept.

[@Michelle-p69]

@@Alex-0597 that's my impression too.

[@TheSnoeedog]

Johnny, I don't mean to shit on your view about slavery in the modern world, but Amnesty international and several other similar reporting agencies consistently estimate (even at the low end) that there are more people enslaved today than there were over the course of *THE ENTIRE COURSE/DURATION* of the North Atlantic Slave Trade. The upper estimates of the North Atlantic Slave Trade put the total number of slaves transported from Africa in the neighbourhood of 25,000,000 individuals. Currently, estimates suggest between 25,000,000 - 40,000,000 slaves *(enslaved NOW)* with a not insignificant portion of them in the western world (incl. my neighbours to the south) being held in sexual slavery, in debt bondage or other forms of enslavement spanning industries as varied as prostitution, domestic help and textiles manufacturing. Also, whereas the slavery of the past is characterized by outrageous, brutal violence, there was a strong incentive to keep your slaves alive and able to work. Broken...but able to produce. The cost to purchase a replacement was prohibitive. Adjusted for inflation and depending on where/when the slave auction took place, a strong, healthy black male of working age would likely cost the equivalent of $20,000-$40,000 Today the average cost to buy a human being ranges between $80-$110 *AND THAT'S NOT A TYPO* ....the unfortunate consequence of that (and I am in *NO WAY* trying to exonerate slavers in any form) is that while slaves were formerly subject to the abuses of capricious owners, there existed a strong disincentive to kill one's slave. Now there is a powerful disincentive to invest anything at all in their care, as they are so cheap to replace. As such, getting sick, failing to meet quotas or some other arbitrary "infraction" is far more likely to result in outright killing of the slave, unless an example could be made of them (such as pouring acid on the face of a prostitute and keeping her around as a warning to the others). It's disgusting. Abject cruelty should never be tolerated. But my point is, enlightened though we may be, slavery is still happening now on an industrial scale that (possibly) dwarfs that of what we collectively identify as the North Atlantic Slave trade. And a final thought, I believe it wasn't until 2007 until Mauritania "began enforcing" its laws against owning slaves (themselves not passed into law until the 1990's)...at the moment, it's estimated that over 25% of the population is still directly owned as property while another, bigger proportion, exist at the margins, sharecropping or otherwise remaining indentured servants. ...just sayin'...