Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is a Waste of Space

I saw the comment made the other day, that Tron Lightcycle Power Run is one of the best themed coasters ever created. I then thought to myself… is it? It certainly looks like a fun attraction, but its strength, like Space Mountain, seems to be its sense of atmosphere and the fun comes from the actual coaster layout itself. As far as theming goes, there’s not really much to see. It’s mostly lighting effects and a single distinct scene that has riders dueling a couple of other lightcycles. While the attraction itself looks cool, I wouldn’t call it well themed because it really does offer little in the way of content. This got me thinking though. Magic Kingdom’s most undeniably popular attraction is Seven Dwarf’s Mine Train, and is often cited as having really excellent theming. And… no. It’s quite literally almost just all rock work and some trees. I wouldn’t call that theming. This attraction pales in comparison to it’s closest relative, Big Thunder Mountain, which really did take theming to the next level when it premiered. Today’s video is going to be a shorter one, but I am really interested in pointing out why Seven Dwarf’s Mine Train is actually pretty poorly themed. It’s also an attraction with a lot of other short-comings, so let’s take a dive into why this attraction is, to be blunt, quite the waste of space.
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[@breenotcheese746]

things they should've done for this ride: 1. taken guests through a large wooded area in the queue to simulate the woods from the film 2. created a larger dark ride room to help make the mine seem bigger, kinda like the big room on Indy where you can see the decayed Idol of Mara and several crisscrossing passages 3. made the cottage a larger scene that we spend more time with instead of briefly passing by it before unload, maybe even had the cottage at the beginning and the end to show the dwarves coming to and returning from work 4. locate the ride further away from everything else so that the queue has more space instead of awkwardly being shoved in between several things

[@MrDisneyguy]

I’d actually make the cottage part of the queue, so the first part of the ride could represent the more upbeat Heigh Ho area, while the second part would be more of a climax involving the Old Hag. As for the forest in the queue, I’d start in a wishing well area with the evil Queen over looking the guests, we could then go inside a castle area and see the magic mirror, and then go into the dungeon to see the skeletons, potions, and the poison apple, we then escape into a scary woods with watching eyes and then it transitions into a peaceful setting, signifying our arrival to the dwarfs cottage. I’d also have a Duel Load station to increase capacity by a small bit. This is just something g that comes to my mind at least lol

[@sealy1]

What do you want this to be, snow white's scary adventures? This ride is meant to be different. It isn't a dark ride.

[@MrDisneyguy]

@@sealy1 and your right, seven dwarfs mine train isn’t, but it lack some of the elements that makes a ride entertaining and thrilling for families, same as how splash mountain can have light and dark moments as well. Snow whites scary adventure focused more on the dark elements, so I’d consider what I’d like would be a nice balance of both approaches, as if, similar to the other attractions in fantasyland, we’re being retold the story of Snow White, while still being a roller coaster.

[@sealy1]

@@machomachoduck2096 it’s supposed to be a coaster.

[@MrDisneyguy]

@@machomachoduck2096 I have to agree on that, while I think seven dwarfs mine train was meant to be a coaster, it doesn’t have the elements that make the attraction , I think, entertaining and worth waiting in that line

[@kentslocum]

The fact that this is supposed to be a "Mine Train" and yet is primarily outdoors is what really frustrates me. I think the Seven Dwarves Mine Train should have been entirely indoors, weaving in and out of tunnels and caves.

[@MaxxVelo]

Would've differentiated it from Thunder mountain which it desperately needs to do

[@Lunarous1993]

A thrilling version of what knotts has with their mine train wouldve been cool tbh

[@lonelysatoshi2482]

Pretty much like a Matterhorn version of Big Thunder Mountain

[@kentslocum]

@@Lunarous1993 Back when Imagineering was working on developing an Indiana Jones attraction for Disneyland, they had a plan to build an indoor mine train coaster themed to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, crisscrossing over an underground river that the Jungle Cruise would divert through for part of its journey, with the Disneyland Railroad passing through the cave as well. It certainly would have been a huge construction project if they had proceeded with that plan, but it is incredible to think that we almost got two existing Disneyland attractions to share a massive cave system with an indoor mine train coaster. It would have been freaking amazing.

[@MiaCollinsNeighborhood]

Well there is the Mine part, but there’s no Train part

[@daviderdmann3510]

I was an engineer for part of this ride. And yes, I think for the space they did a good job on track layout, however, yes, they could have added a few more themeing elements to keep it interesting....

[@ian8lisle572]

That's super cool! Are you involved with Imagineering or Vekoma?

[@samanthascott7617]

for sure, I think if some of the old scenes from scary adventures were added in, like making it a Snow White’s Scary Adventure the Coaster or just a Snow White coaster from the dwarves perspective a la Lion king 1 1/2 would make the ride a bit more interesting

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

I think a lot of it too is the topic, Snow White. One of the most iconic classic Disney properties. Combine that with the massive marketing push Disney had when the ride came out people's expectations were set a bit high for a fairly low budget ride.

[@daviderdmann3510]

@@JetHawk remember our audience... I think Disney is more about a younger age group... when I started there people told me that Disney had you twice... the first time was when you were young, then when you got older and wanted more thrills you went to universal, then when you had your own fam you came back to Disney....

[@minarik01]

@@daviderdmann3510 this. its the emotional child years permanent stain on your brain from DISNEY being introduced to you at an early age. So you go and believe the magic..and the rest of your life..unless you know..you travel to OTHER PLACES in the world..you think..oh disney..why do i think of it as such an incredible place of joy and love? Because you were indoctrinated early on that , that is what it was/is.

[@MatecaCorp]

I agree with the video title, but for a fairly different reason. The problem with the ride is that Disney has artificially inflated (both in size and budget) a simple junior coaster into a competitor for Big Thunder Mountain. SDMT’s problem is that it’s a solid Junior coaster. It’s perfect for small kids (as in 5-10) and old folks, as the mild ride experience caters perfectly to those groups. They created the issue by taking a low capacity kids ride and blew it up in size without making the theming, throughput, or intensity match the scope. If SDMT kept the current theme and intensity but was built on a far smaller piece of land and wasn’t advertised as a flagship attraction, it would fit perfectly. As it stands though, Seven Dwarves Mine Train really is a waste of space.

[@robertforster8984]

I think it is for toddlers.

[@NocturneFexy]

This ride is the biggest "tourist trap" in all of Disney. It looks like there could be some promise, but it squanders it thanks to it's forgettable scenes, lack of thrill, and a very short run-time.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Definitely agreed.

[@fxeditor1138]

SDMT being a "tourist trap" is the ride's greatest achievement. It pulls a good number of people away from other, better attractions in MK!

[@NocturneFexy]

@@fxeditor1138 At least some of the better rides get less wait times because of SDMT. That's one good thing I can say about it.

[@fahsky]

In late October this year, we got to WDW at regular park opening & went directly to Fantasyland - Seven Dwarves already had an estimated 120 minute wait. Ridiculous!

[@NocturneFexy]

@Michael Teti I feel like the short run-time and how paper-thin the experience is around the coaster is what brings the ride it down. If a ride is THAT short, then at least try to make it more exciting! Make the dark ride scene pop out a little bit more than just some projection-faced animatronics that look like night-lights.

[@tictacmaybeau6707]

I’m a little shocked that anyone would consider the seven dwarves mine ride as the best themed ride in Magic Kingdom. Surely that would go to Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Carribbean with the Splash, Thunder, and Space mountains following behind those two aforementioned rides in terms of theme. Never have I thought that the Dwarves Mine ride was on par with them, in terms of theme or genuine fun. I’m assuming it’s raved about so much because it’s one of the newest rides at the park so people are just kind of enamored with the novelty of it. Give it a few more years and I bet it’ll fall down lower in the lists in terms of both best theming and general best rides at the park.

[@Shadowwand]

They missed a simple opportunity to make the queue have amazing themeing: Start the Queue inside the Seven Dwarves Cottage. Not long after the Standby Line gates, put the cottage there for us to walk through. We can see the little table, their chairs, and all their belongings. Perhaps this version could even start as the dirty grimy cottage. Then as we exit the cottage, perhaps we see a Snow White Animationic with some animals peering through the window. (Or if you need to save some money, show us the inside Window they are looking through as we exit). Then as we transition to the mine, we could have sculpted trees like the one Snow White saw when she was running from the Huntsman. The trees that scared here (there must have been near the cottage, since she didn't go that far from them when she found the cottage). Now when we come back at the end of the ride, it makes sense that we are back near the cottage (since we went inside and saw it before) and we can see the clean version they have the sing and dance in.

[@seamusoneill5765]

I quite like the ride simply due to it being a ride that everyone can go on together. There isn’t anyone having to be left out (young or old) due to not liking coasters or thrill rides.

[@deadmeme2615]

You can say that with almost any Disney attraction though...

[@seamusoneill5765]

@@deadmeme2615 Well… apart from Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, Splash Mountain, Tower of Terror, Mission Space, Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster, Dinosaur, Expedition Everest, yes.

[@papingosstudios161]

My baby sister still can't go lol

[@eliben4066]

It’s nice to have a milder coaster for the kids, but in my opinion, it doesn’t really excuse the lack of theming. I think what we should be afraid of is that Disneyland is slowly turning into a park for kids. Disneyland used to be a park for everyone, with kids as it’s target audience, but soon, it will only be aimed at kids, who don’t care much about the stunning theming and detail

[@ilikualot7546]

You could say that about any ride that’s not scary a good children rides should entertain everyone for example with good theming

[@SpeedSloth]

I agree. Ride length is the big one for me, Big Thunder always surprises me how long it actually is with each lift hill providing unique surprises and content. Seven Dwarves is a quick look at the mine and then I know it's practically over. Fundamentally I think the space in fantasy land was just too small to put a coaster in. The best feature is the kinematics of the ride making the land look more active and alive.

[@dawg897]

they pushed back north and where the SDMT is now use to be a good part of the lagoon where 20,000 leagues under the sea was. and where Be our guest resturant and the little mermaaid is was expansion area. just below where Pinoccho's Village Huans resturant is the main castmember tunnel enterance. and the loop road would be about a 1/4 to 1/2 mile north of that (back in 1979) so there was and still is development land to use or was untill they built the other gates and hotels. (due to land use regulations and agreements that Disney has with the state of florida that they must preserve a portion of the total property as natural for conservation.)

[@chrissygerwitz520]

If they didn't waste all that space on coaster tracks, there would have been plenty of room on the site for a new, expanded Snow White dark ride.

[@idkaboutthisfuckoffyoutube1041]

@@chrissygerwitz520 and content don’t forget the content

[@youllneverknowgorg]

I personally hate BTMR since it doesn’t feature any big drops. I’d rather ride seven dwarfs larger drop than big thunder’s twist and turns and small bunny holes

[@Justinian125]

It’s a fun ride, but I agree the line length isn’t worth the 30 second ride.

[@SunderAT]

Having taken my kids on SDMT multiple times I disagree that it doesn’t have “thrilling elements”. It’s always seemed pretty thrilling to our kids, and they adore it. In my opinion, the flaw of this attraction is its duration. If it was as long as Thunder Mtn. Railroad it would still be inferior (for many of the reasons you highlight), but it would be a pretty solid attraction. I also don’t think it’s a waste of space, but I do find it quite frustrating that rather than doing expansions, Disney seems content to tear things down and put new things in its place. The parks suffer from attraction capacity issues…one remedy would be more attractions.

[@cuttinol]

Agreed! It's honestly a fun and cute ride but the short duration kills it for me

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I take your point and I acknowledge that I've become desensitized to the thrill elements of attractions, so I suspect that leads to my bias. It seems to me that even Barnstormer is a significant step up in thrill level though, which I think is a testament to what kids are willing to tolerate.

[@nomnom3451]

"Disney seems content to read things down and put new things in it's place" This is the problem with space Disneyland has.

[@shanehen]

Disney used to create attractions that handled capacity better. Think of the Omnimover. BTMRR does a better job with capacity even though it’s obviously not an Omnimover attraction. All the new attractions that are trackless can’t deal with capacity at all.

[@vianjelos]

Heres a secret, Disney doesnt want you to ride the rides..it wants you to eat and shop instead. Solving capacity issues would mean less people shopping and eatting to pass the time thus a decrease in their reveue. I know its a nasty tactic but honestly Disney parks have become more about how much money they can suck out of guest and less about actual guest expireance/enjoyment.

[@GustavoRodriguez-jw2mw]

The final scene with the cottage with the dwarfs and the witch represents everything wrong not only with this ride but with today’s Disney Imagineering: the most interesting part of the ride can only be seen for a brief blip out of the corner of your eye. Excellent video! Finally someone telling it like it is. There is a crisis of creativity at Disney, Disney parks in particular.

[@eurobeatking]

Not to mention that the Snow White animatronic in the cottage has a weird-looking face. XD

[@fxeditor1138]

@@eurobeatking That's funny. I never noticed her face being weird before because the whole scene goes by so fast I can't really pick out any detail! I so glad that my daughter has outgrown this ride and no longer has any interest in riding it.

[@eurobeatking]

@@fxeditor1138 It depends if the car(s) in-front of you are still in the station. If you're in that holding-pattern, you should be able to get a glimpse of Snow White's face as she passes.

[@DarthLiam-gd1wc]

I will say that I don't think creativity has been lacking, I just think the Disney higher ups won't let the imagineers use their creativity.

[@bosborn1]

I thought I was the only one who thought this ride sucked. The projection mapping in the mine show scene is piss poor. I actually laughed when I saw it the first time. I like the comparison to thunder mountain. This current batch of imagineers just doesn’t have what the Tony Baxter generation had. They don’t understand the art in visual story telling. They don’t convey the emotional connection with the attraction. Great attractions should have a distinct feel associated with them. The only recent deviation from this is Galaxy’s edge. While I don’t care for the chosen location the theming is some of the best. It manages to be completely immersive. I could still “ plus” it, but it comes close to being nearly perfect.

[@tufab3494]

This is bs

[@Nethseaar]

True, but unfortunately Galaxy's Edge is well-themed around what is now a garbage IP, and isn't even themed around a planet that's actually present in that IP. O that someone sane were making decisions at Disney!

[@tufab3494]

@@Nethseaar bro wtf. You just said Star Wars is garbage. Smh

[@bosborn1]

@@Nethseaar Yes, they have real issues. The plan to retcon the sequels is already in motion. I have a feeling being that chapek comes from the retail side a retheme into the mandalorian time period is coming. That is what sells merch.

[@discoyetiproductions]

I feel like SDMT is one of the earliest examples of Disney creating an underwhelming attraction that uses its IP as a means of drawing everyone in. Without recognizable characters in the attraction no one would want to ride it. I also don’t think SDMT is a bad attraction, but simply disappointing. Excruciatingly long wait times for an attraction that’s painfully mediocre in many ways might make it seem a lot worse than it is. But that’s just my opinion. Great video as always!

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Yeah, I wouldn't say that the attraction is "bad". Instead, it just doesn't really deliver on anything. It's just "good enough".

[@emmaschauer5409]

It kind of reminded me of Gadgets Go Coaster in Disneyland, except that that one doesn't have any wait time to speak of.

[@solcarlosofficial]

Every video you post you say everything I think about! I’m glad I’m not the only one! I wish we had a tangled ride instead!!!!

[@thecluelesscosplayer1300]

Hey god! Glad to see you on KZbin.

[@randolphwilliams2365]

The gold standard usually comes from the budgets of attractions at Tokyo Disney properties. With all of the Disney resources they could design a coaster with triple the capacity .

[@robertparker6280]

Yes! Tangled was such a great Disney movie! My favorite Disney Princess!

[@jimeagle1155]

Big Thunder Mountain and Splash mountain or two best theme rides in all of Disney World, borg deliver way more than you would expect as you walk into the queue. And both are old classic rides, everything new sanitized and honestly Disney is relying way too much on video screens nowadays, everything is just ride with a big TV. Rise of the resistance is excellently themed and well done I just wish instead of the video screens they would have used more animatronics. I love Disney animatronics, even the new projector face ones

[@IThinkHeKnowsSwiftie]

We should have kept snow whites scary adventures and make a tangled dark ride

[@GingerTyPerior]

Every time I see the mine train at night, I’m just reminded how the lighting is just so minimal. Most of the mountain is just gone, there’s nothing lighting it up! The only lights you really see are flood lights where the coaster goes by. It’s a fun ride, but there’s so much that could be done

[@a.k.sartisticlife8718]

The only thing I can say in favor of seven dwarves mine train is that it is the most relaxing coaster I have ever ridden, while I have needed to visit a chiropractor after some more violent ones. For people who can’t handle violent coasters, like my mother, this one works well, and she can ride it with her grandchildren, which she can’t with other coasters, including the barnstormer.

[@MrBuzzcut26]

Better than the meet-n-greet that was planned for that area. Really sad they about losing Snow White’s Scary Adventure….

[@JustinCoasters]

Still terrifying in Japan

[@redarrow3722]

SDMT is definitely not worth the wait, imo. Was definitely expecting more than it delivered, based on the hype.

[@Ataraxia462]

A few years ago we visited MK and my parents waited for mine train while the rest of us did other attractions. In the two hours they were in line we rode Dumbo, Barnstormer, played in the Casey Jr splash area, rode the train to Frontierland, had lunch at pecos bills, and rode pirates. My parents were pissed and they both agreed it was the biggest waste of time. I’ve still never been on it 🤷‍♂️

[@mr.meloetta1939]

I liked this ride, but honestly it does need a bit something more. Honestly, I just wish the cars rocked around more, it feels like it underutilized the ride vehicle's main feature.

[@user-sf8ff3ir1u]

right? ive never even felt them rock

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Go look at Orphan Rocker (the backyard project in Australia that inspired Seven Dwarfs Mine Train) to see why they didnt make them rock more

[@The-Bible-IS-our-salvation]

"seven dwarfs mine train is not theme-" Six Flags building coasters in a parking lot.

[@emmaschauer5409]

We went on this ride for the first time at our first trip to WDW a few months ago. We waited in line for close to 2 hours. It felt like it was entirely too short for how long we waited, and it was overall quite disappointing.

[@jahzd4028]

Not only does this ride spend a huge majority outside the actual Mine but the ending is the worse. The fact they put the Seven Dwarfs cottage and animatronics off to the right side where you can barley see through the windows instead of letting the train pass through the cottage that would allow riders on both sides to see what's happening is just baffling to me.

[@misiontopia]

As someone who isn’t into big thrills and rollercoasters, I really did enjoy this ride! I do agree on the lack of theming and that it’s not worth the overly long wait time, I do think most of that does stem from the overall length of the ride, it’s just way too short. Unfortunately that’s not something they can fix, perhaps they could throw in some more animatronics along the ride path or maybe even include in the queue area to up the storytelling and immersion. As light as the theming is though, I will say the landscaping is incredibly pretty and did place me in the world of the film, but a few extra characters would go a long way, In terms of it being thrilling and for toddlers, I disagree, I do think Disney market this ride as a family attraction and I agree with that placement. While younger guests may be able to handle higher thrills, I think it’s important to remember that not everyone wants to. Not every guest wants to go on big rollercoasters or Mountain attractions, but they also seek something more exciting than a slow moving omni mover style attraction. Personally, I really enjoy both this ride and Big Thunder Mountain, and they’re about as thrilling as I can go whilst still enjoying the ride. I understand I’m in the minority, but I’m sure Disney still has a large amount of guests in the same boat, and so I don’t think the thrill level of the ride is a negative, as I’ve always seen it as a positive.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

An interesting and illuminating take on things. I appreciate the input!

[@shelleybullard601]

Yes, many of my friends are freaked out by the Yeti ride in Animal 🦒 Kingdom (!😂), and Seven Dwarfs is just their speed. 😊

[@bigdaddycorn]

The ride is so smooth that everyone I was with loved it. Yeah the story could be beefed up, and it needs something else at the end, but it's a delight to ride.

[@JuliaDelbel]

Tbh Big Thunder tends to be a bit too rickety for me so the smoothness of this one is very much appreciated.

[@brandonyates9504]

Classic case of trying to make a dark ride and a coaster but putting half effort in each instead of full effort into one.

[@VestedUTuber]

Thing is, you can put full effort into both as well. Disney's done it before (Space Mountain), Universal's done it several times, heck, LEGOLAND has done it with their various iterations of the Dragon Coaster (and everyone knows how Merlin Entertainment tends to cut corners).

[@cadenmcqueen4615]

your channel is unbelievably fire - the production value is so high and you’re so knowledgeable about the subject matter you discuss. Keep killing it!!

[@J-Wolf17FTW]

I feel like the reason the ride doesn't feel as thrilling is because the ride focuses more on lateral Gs (side to side) rather than positive Gs (more gravity) and negative Gs (airtime).

[@frankcohen3069]

I've been on Tron 6 times over 3 trips to Shanghai. It is the best roller coaster in the world right now - has been for the past 5 years since the park opened. It's theming is true to the Tron Legacy movie - starting from the outside queues that are underneath a giant laser, the being briefed by Gem (actress Beau Garrett), and rocking out in a rave to Daft Punk's masterpiece score to the movie. The ride launches you from a contained long hallway to the outside high up in the air. It gives me a thrilling feel of flying like Superman, then then back into the game grid. You are also going from cool blue lights and air conditioning to breezy humid air and then back into cool inside-the-computer themed competitive racing. It's so smooth all the way through. Tron in Florida being plunked down right next to DisneyWorld's Space Mountain is a strange choice. Shanghai Disneyland has a huge futuristic and beautiful garden you walk through that makes you feel like you're entering the Tron world. When Tron opens in DisneyWorld, Space Mountain will feel old and outdated - I'm thinking of a Disney ghetto. -Frank

[@281Travels]

Steel Vengeance at Cedar Point is the best roller coaster in the world for me.

[@laurielamoureux1656]

My adult daughter and I rode this a couple of months ago, and afterwards we wondered what all of the hype was about. This was definitely a “one and done” ride for us.

[@orlandotouristtraps7410]

I will admit the mine train has a substantial footprint but Disney is known for doing things grand. When I go to the Magic Kingdom at rope drop people are power walking to the monorail and ferry excitedly talking about running straight to the Mine Train. And once they enter the gates hundreds of families are almost running to fantasyland. The line fills up fast and stays wrapped around the ride all they way to the little mermaid ride the rest of the day. This is the single most sought after ride at the Magic Kingdom at the moment.

[@heyitsbeppa4809]

My biggest issue with this ride was the time. I expected the ride to go on longer than it did, and myself and a friend thought it was a trick and something would happen after we stopped, but no. Even if there were more slow sections with scenes or something, it would have helped. Or something to help feel the movement of the carts.

[@theskullspookychannel6343]

Seven Dwarfs Mine Train may not be my favorite ride at MK or even my favorite of Fantasyland but I still like the ride alot. I wouldn't say the coaster is only aimed towards "toddlers" and more for the entire family. You may say Thunder Mountain is a family ride but to me it isn't. Not everyone in my family would ride Thunder Mountain due to the craziness of that coaster but they can all do Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, after all it's the only roller coaster with no warnings. People find it "boring" because there's nothing rough on the coaster or any huge drops or inversions,etc. But again, the ride isn't trying to be intense nor is it trying to be least intense one. Now comparing it to Barnstormer, that one is definitely aimed more to kids and toddlers or people who want to get started on a roller coaster. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is just a bit of a step up. I've sat in the back row and I felt the ride go pretty quick during the dispatch and the drop after the "Heigh Ho" lift hill. It caught me off guard but it was fun. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is also a really smooth coaster, it's rare (atleast for me) to find a smooth roller coaster and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is the smoothest I've done. 7+ years and it still runs real smooth when you compare it to another coaster like Space Mountain where it feels pretty rough during some turns and going up hills. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train also has the best firework viewing in the entire park (my opinion) I was lucky enough to have ridden it during Happily Ever After and the fireworks were literally above me, it was beautiful. Swaying back and forth in the minecart is a feature in the coaster many people overlook. It's very fun to do and something you can't do in any other ride, especially a roller coaster. So yeah, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train may not be the best of the "big" MK rides but it's a great start for kids who reach the height restriction for them to get ready for what's to come and I think it's one of the best family thrill rides in Disney World. The fact that they mixed a dark ride with a roller coaster is different then any other at the resort. Yes, the line is ridiculously long everyday but again. More families (from young kids to the elderly) who go to the park would most likely pick to do Seven Dwarfs over the 3 mountains. Splash Mountain can scare people due to the drop, Thunder Mountain because of how wild it can get and Space Mountain because alot of people have a fear of darkness. It's hard to find anyone who would be scared to do Mine Train other then, they're scared to do a roller coaster but again, Seven Dwarfs isn't really that bad...

[@sf.frequenz1036]

Thank you so much for taking the time to do these kinda of videos, please continue because I love how entertaining they are and true. -SFZ

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Thanks, I'm glad that you enjoyed!

[@600HP_Camaro]

Poseidon, someone else mentioned in a reply below that Walt was a model train lover & hobbyist. I firmly believe that the Walt Disney Company (or perhaps Imagineering) lacks the amount of people who are endeared by model train sets & sceneries, or just people who love scale models all together. You should look up WDW models on KZbin and see the attention to detail that Disney fans put into their cardboard or Lego park recreations. These are the type people the company is missing.

[@ErikaNunotani]

my partner and I really enjoyed this ride! we waited until the fireworks were going and even though the wait said 70+ minutes, it ended up being only 30. it was dark by then so we may have missed the “lack of theming” and when we emerged from the mine, the fireworks were setting off in the sky. it was actually quite magical! seeing it in the day, I might not feel the same way though!

[@florianplack2973]

Lovely essay as always! Your channel is a treasure

[@jenniferrundle6870]

Maybe it's loved b/c it's not another "small world" type of ride. Most rides were slow prior to space mountain, thunder mountain, etc. After the lack of ingenuity in the newer EPCOT "mousegear" store I'm convinced they've fired all the imagineers and they have CPAs or bus drivers or some other unrelated field throwing out theming ideas😕

[@kapanimations]

The one thing that surprised me the most about this ride was how smooth it felt (I went on it a couple weeks ago for the first time so I don't know if that's how it always is)

[@griff9288]

The touch based interactions are also a great way to share germs

[@kimturner282]

One thing about your videos I love is that you have a difference of opinion than me. That being said, I kinda agree because when I went to Disney World a few years back I decided not to get on it because I saw the videos and i wasn’t impressed enough for a 2 hour wait. Most Disney rides seem kiddie but I know that’s so the whole family will feel comfortable riding together. Love your channel. Love your videos. I look forward to the next.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I'm not sure that I agree. I personally see the parks as moving away from family entertainment and more towards the youngest of kids. I thought that Disney's line-up of interesting dark rides was great family entertainment. For example, Scary Adventures might have been "scary", but it wasn't so intense that it still wasn't a family attraction. I'm sure that a number of kids find Spaceship Earth to be "boring", but who cares? For every one of them, there are plenty of people who appreciate it for what it is and what it's trying to do. Heck, even Toontown is marketed towards kids but still manages to entertain because it has a great attraction and the land itself is incredibly interesting. I don't perceive 7DMT or Slinky Dog Dash as being family attractions. Their target demographic appears to be the smallest of kids, as even Barnstormer manages to provide more thrill.

[@jimnewman3425]

1) New sub, I’ve been catching up on your backlog and love this channel. Great work! 2) one of the other elements I think they “nailed” to make it seem like a great coaster is the Photopass video.

[@lichegate]

I like 7DMT (It's a cute blend between a kid coaster and a dark ride), but agree that it should not command the wait times it does. I don't understand what people are thinking there.

[@Wantacow]

Just found the Channel and I am binging and subbed. This video caused me to rethink about this ride as I have a pretty good option about it, but I think that’s due to having mainly only rode it at night with a minimal wait. I would never wait for than 20mins for this one going back it’s just to short of ride. I find the ride to be a-lot more enjoyable at night for the aesthetics of the ride. The lights of the gems seem brighter and the gentle and smoother coaster seems to more perfectly match the cooler night time air and breeze. If I recall correctly this was the first attraction using the (sorry I don’t know the official term) screen/luminescent animatronics for the dwarfs which I remember think were really cool and interesting back when the ride first opened. Now though they seem a lot less exciting has more of this type of animatronics are used throughout the parks. All in all I think if this ride was longer with more scenes many peoples issues would be resolved.

[@rmannayr2129]

I ACTUALLY LOVE THIS RIDE!

[@eticketchannelofficial]

You may be my new favorite Disneytuber. Your videos about the decline of Disney are right on, I have to disagree on this one though. I've always been terrified of coasters, but I want to ride and have fun. Part of that is building up to higher and higher intensity levels. I had to work my way up to SDMT by riding Barnstormer 10 times in a row. I still chickened out once before riding. Now it's tied with BTMRR for my favorite. I'm also a big guy and rough, shaky rides with small vehicles, like Space Mountain, just beat the heck out of me. The smoothness of the SDMT ride vehicles is much appreciated, regardless of intensity level. I may never ride Velocicoaster or Tron, but that's OK. I'm in the parks to have fun, not feel like I'm dying, and Seven Dwarfs is fun. It makes me happy, I sing and clap along to High-ho, and try to get my mine car swinging from side to side. Also... rocks is rocks. SDMT has trees, BTMRR has cactus. Meh. Besides the cavern scene, I've paid almost no attention to the other scenes in BTMRR.

[@sorrycase]

I agree with most of what you said but it still has a special place in my heart because the neat video they sent us on photo pass after. It is one of the last videos I have of a friend who passed a year after our first trip to Disney World.

[@willetthomas9992]

As Yankee great Yogi Berra might say; "Nobody goes there anymore, the Lines are too Long..."

[@chem525]

I rode this yesterday. The interactive sorting was broken. There was no projection on the ceiling with spinning barrels. Ride was barely functional. This past weekend space mountain, buzz lightyear and rise of resistance broke down a lot.

[@chrisirish3532]

The issue I see with new rides is the reliance on video components rather than the physical immersive aspects. I agree that the theming is not strong but it’s more than just theming. It’s about the little details you mentioned on Big Thunder. I see theme parks becoming more uniform rather than unique. It’s harder to tell the difference between Disney Magic and Universal which is sad.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I definitely agree. Rise of the Resistance and Runaway Railway appear to be chasing what Universal attractions had been doing, using screens as a cheaper alternative to attraction and maintenance costs. However, I see that Universal has clearly recognized this mistake. I'm not sure if Disney does.

[@brianhill6842]

@@PoseidonEntertainment totally agree! Don’t get me started. My first visit to Disney’s Hollywood Studios was when it was Disney’s MGM Studios in 1990. I remember I felt like I was in another world and time. Who would have thought that the park would be hosting the same shows 30 years later??? And it still only has seven “attractions.” Mickey & Minnies Runaway Railway does not belong in the park and there is so much dead space in it. There literally is no connection for me with that attraction. As far as Galaxy’s Edge, I was completely underwhelmed and I really am disappointed that just like with Avatar, Disney doesn’t seem to no longer care about having the empty shells of attraction buildings visible to guests. Just think how much effort went into disguising Disenyland’s Haunted Mansion show building??? Or how Space Mountain is completely enclosed. This new crop of imagineers were raised on video so it’s not surprising.

[@tallietorchersproductions2740]

@@PoseidonEntertainment Well sometimes, I guess, it isn't practical to have hundreds of space ship models flying around that need constant upkeep. What were they supposed to do? The utilization of screens in Rise is pretty good.

[@samanthagaboo5610]

It's a fun ride, great starter coaster for the kids. I'm not an annual pass holder, like most commenters but I like Disney, I've visited DL and DW and go every other year as I don't live in FL. My niece was unwilling to get on this one so I knew that a lot of other rides just weren't going to be possible on the trip with her. I think if you blink you can miss the scenes. I recall being a kid and going with my parents on the original Snow White ride so it's nice to know they recycled some of the animatronics in the last scene. I just think it's meant to be a basic quick fun mini coaster. It's def low theme compared to the other coaster you've showed but that one seems to be a lot longer. I only rode it at night so it was nice seeing what it looked like during the day, looked like I missed a lot. I recently visited the park, I had the fam, so I didn't get to hit as many attractions as I wanted but I'm not sure I'd call this one a waste of space.

[@tgustafson85]

I find it to be an enjoyable ride, but due to lengthy wait and it not being quite good enough to use a FastPass on, I tend to wait until just before park close to ride. At that point it is walk on, and the rollercoaster elements are much more thrilling because you don’t quite know what to expect in the dark

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I will admit that I like it somewhat better at night, but I still think the overall experience doesn't really deliver. If you enjoy it though, all the power to you.

[@Cocopander]

That polka type music at the end is giving me life. I love it. I’m so ashamed. 🤣🤣🤣🕺🏾

[@hannahcritchfield3519]

Although I would agree that the ride has minimal theming, I would personally argue that it makes the atmosphere feel more real. It’s not made of plastic, cartoonesque trees, but real trees and woodwork that remind you of the original German/Scandinavian location the story is set in. When you finally meet the characters on the ride, their presence feels more welcome and you can really get a sense that they are reacting to the same environment you’re in, the same real life place you’re in, and it makes them feel more real. The gem cavern especially, because the whole place has been mostly real scenery, the gems feel so earned and magestic, like hey, just maybe they are real glowing gems, the rest of its been real. Idk maybe that’s just me, but I quite enjoy that the artificial elements are placed well within the natural and real elements and seem to make you feel as if the story is really happening around you. Also the swinging cars are a 10/10, would ride again🤠

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I have to disagree, but you definitely have an interesting take on things. I don’t feel that the scenery is necessarily bad, so much as it suffers because the ride lacks content and distinct show scenes. Your perspective is definitely something I haven’t encountered though.

[@briansieve]

I loved it for being smooth and enjoyable. But at under 3 minutes, the payoff seems not worth the wait for me.

[@MeowMeow_95_]

Mmm so smooth!!!! 😆😆😆

[@thedogg001]

A video like this makes me think you just have it out for disney at this point. SDMT is a very fun ride

[@paigemachnicz923]

I so agree with this. The first time I rode I was beyond disappointed, especially having waited like 80 minutes in the heat. I did have the opportunity to ride last weekend during Boo Bash when it was dark and the wait was about 20-25 minutes, and I have to say it made the experience a lot more fun. All in all, not a must do for me at all.

[@snaredude56]

In addition to everything you pointed out, Seven Dwarf's Mine Train is ridiculously short. We rode it in 2018 and were completely underwhelmed. While I didn't realize at the time, that will very likely be our last visit to Disney. Universal on the other hand, never fails to entertain us. They seem to actually put a lot of effort into their parks and treat their guests as guests and not as "consumers".

[@briankoch1121]

SDMT has great theming, wait in line mitigated by things to play with, gems, water tunes, spinning gem barrels. I agree the downfall of this ride in the short duration. 50-70 minutes in line for a 2+ minute ride… The host is biased to universal…. So he is overly critical to Disney… SDMT is great..just needs to be longer

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

I like this ride. It's incredibly smooth. While Big Thunder IS more thrilling, it's also very rough.

[@carminecdinoproductions]

Yep. I agree.

[@crystallaffan8825]

So the reason I like it is the track system feels more fluid. My husband has a bad back and can’t go on most roller coasters, but he’s fine on this one. The fluid track system with no jolting like other coasters offers him a fun and comfortable experience, so it’s really the only coaster we can go on together as a family.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

They designed this ride with computers that's why it's smoother. BTMRR and Space Mountain were designed by hand. Interestingly BTMRR and SDMT have the same manufacturer: Vekoma. Disney loved working with them for some reason, they also designed Rock N Rollercoaster, Cosmic Rewind, and Expedition Everest

[@mcblocks123]

I Haven’t gone on SDMT for a decent amount of reasons listed in the video - last time I went on the attraction was maybe a year or two ago despite living right outside of Orlando and having annual passes to Disney world. My want to go on was fueled when I found out the Snow White adventures used to be at magic kingdom and is just a meet and greet now. Idk if this attraction played apart in that or not but I got my annual pass when SDMT was still under construction and Snow White was closed and riding it after just makes me feel weird as I grew up in SoCal and most of my early memories are going to Disneyland so I hold a lot of those old dark rides in my heart

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

The classic dark rides of Disneyland's Fantasyland are some of my favorites. They have a large degree of charm and I'm glad that Disneyland fans have kept them popular.

[@sarahsli9710]

i loveeee thunder mountain. as someone who is fascinated by the old American west, its theming is what makes it my favorite

[@Mockingdragon]

I find it so interesting to contrast this review with what you said about the yoshi omnimover in the super mario park. That had no thrills, but didn't market itself as having any, and you loved the scenes and stuff to look at. And I agree... I did this one at a halloween party so I didn't wait for too long, but I was very let down having expected. You know. A coaster. Even the Barnstormer (which I didn't really know was a kid ride at the time I rode it) was more fun for me as an adult person.

[@TayWoode]

Way back in the 1980s when I was 8yrs old, the original Snow whites scary adventures was the ever first ride I went on at Disneyworld and I absolutely loved it. Ten years later I worked on it at Disneyland Paris and was surprised how it was less frightening but kids the same age I was in Florida were coming off it crying

[@celestemcduff]

Just discovered your channel and while I don't agree with all your points here, it did actually help me solidify why I was ultimately underwhelmed with the overall experience riding 7DMT (besides knowing immediately it was just too short). I liked the swinging car a lot, as I felt it did maximize the thrills in that limited track layout, which I thought was pretty neat tech. I appreciate the point of view and quality video you're bringing!

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Thanks, I appreciate the support! Admittedly, I'm a cynic but I'm interested in contrasting points of view as long as it's a real discussion. I've personally found that the swinging car most likely absorbs the potential intensity of the track layout, but I suppose we'll never really know without different trains.

[@forty_two42]

Bambis Mothers death also benefits from Juxtaposition. That film is so overwhelming pleasant and earnest that when his mother dies or when Faline is running from dogs through fire at the end, you really feel the weight. The Movie went from adorable to horrifying. The scene right before is Bambi, Thumper, and Flower falling in love and then suddenly their home is burning to the ground. It's an intense whiplash

[@bsharp3281]

I've always looked at the attractions at Disneyland as different from the rides of other parks in that the Disney attractions are, at their condition, simulations of the dreaming process, where other parks only think about thrills and themes. Walt had a target (dreams) where the others don't

[@thewalkingdad68]

Awaiting a killer video on genie + and lightning lane. I'm pretty sure whatever you put out on it will be deserved.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I'm thinking of rolling it into a larger video and talking about how Universal will come in and take a lot of Disney's market share. I think Genie will be a large factor in that.

[@JMC01644]

It is insane to think that people will accept paying for something that had always been free! Fast Passes should not cost more money than the already extremely high cost of a ticket!

[@GLJosh]

I enjoyed SDMT, we got to ride it a couple of times (once in the front), my 7yo daughter loved it my wife and I liked the smoothness of the experience. Now would I wait over 40 minutes to ride this, nope. I think that most of the dissatisfaction of this ride is length of time in cue versus length of time on ride.

[@angelamoran4054]

I love your videos! They're so informative and I agree with all of your points! I'm so happy to have found a you tuber with a same track mind! Thank you!

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Thanks, I'm glad that you enjoy!

[@lukebottetonic2526]

Although I agree that waiting so long for a ride that only lasts a minute makes it not fun to go to, I love the beautiful themeing. Sure it isn’t a lot but it’s so naturalistic and calming. No extravagant water pieces or rock formations, just a natural woodland which appeals at least to me, especially on the ride when even if it’s not that extreme it feels so great to see the woods while the wind blows through your hair. For sure not my favorite attraction, big thunder mountain is soooo much better, but not a waste of space in my opinion-yet with the rides becoming more unimaginative and the movies becoming less and less tense… I do agree. One of the reasons why I can’t watch new Disney or Pixar films because they don’t have the feeling they used to have.

[@aegisofhonor]

Thunder Mountain was a lot of fun when I went back in 1994, I went on there 3 or 4 times and honestly, it's a fun medium thrill coaster with great theming. Seven Dwarves seems like a step down in every way.

[@najeefulton9020]

Last time my family and I visited(2018) the ride always had a 2hr wait. It was the last ride we got on before the closing. Best thing we did was find a spot near the ride before the start of the light show and hopped on right after it was done. Still was a 45min wait though, ride was short but I did enjoy myself.

[@stashmerkin9576]

Nice use of the song Ghost Riders In the Sky when you were talking about BTM!

[@kydalito]

one nice thing about the ride is that it take what’s probably the best on-ride photos in the magic kingdom today, which is really nice on a family ride

[@MarshFlyFightWin]

Expedition Everest, Hagrid's Motor Bike Adventure, and Velocicoaster. I would say are some of the top themed coasters

[@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289]

Agreed. They're also quite intense rides. I know that the Harris ride is faster than it seems, while Everest and Velocicoaster is just as fast as it seems.

[@misfitrobot]

My children love the ride and seeing them happy made me enjoy it

[@michaelbarnett174]

I agree that this ride is most always not worth the wait. However, the main aspect Imagineers seemed to be leaning on to produce thrill was the tilting vehicle carts. This is a fun, new idea for Magic Kingdom, and this aspect offers riders a little control of their ride experience, which is what many Magic Kingdom rides so obviously lean on (i.e. teacups, Dumbo, Aladdin's magic carpets). One thing I am confident to say Imagineers did well with this ride is making it a good fit for Magic Kingdom. Though, yes, the thrill is still lacking, and the tilt aspect does not compensate for other missing aspects.

[@josephpledgerpublicfigure4811]

My favorite ride along with Space Mountain in1982 family visit when Epcot Center premiered.

[@RichLux713]

Lol love this channel

[@ukaber7227]

Usually when a piece of art turns out poorly it's not due to the artists, but the higher ups forcing artists to make a product instead of a vision.

[@broodwars64]

I literally cried out "THAT'S IT?!!!" when the ride vehicle went from the "Hi Ho!" hill climb to the cottage section and ended. This ride routinely has hours-long wait times, and all for NOTHING. It even has the gall to end right as it seems to be starting.

[@pizzagirl71]

i didn’t go on this last time i was at disney because the wait was always like 3 hours long and now i’m glad i didn’t lmao. at some point you have to say no to waiting in line 2+ hours for a ride thats 2 minutes. also i love thunder mountain, i think it’s so underrated. the details are awesome, it’s a good length ride and there isn’t a long line.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I feel that a two minute experience is certainly worth a wait if it delivers. I'd rather wait an hour for Barnstormer over 7DMT because at least it's a solid coaster for the demographic it's shooting for.

[@mikeyfrederick1232]

I could listen to you all day reading Disney to filth sir lol

[@rectorsquid]

It is great that a queue like that is considered generic and that a ride like that has "no theming". I recall riding the Matterhorn Bobsleds as a kid and being able to see the entire steel mountain structure inside with gondola cars (sky buckets) going through the mountain. Today's theming is so far from what we got in the past that I'm really happy to not see steel beams inside the fake rocks (that look quite nice). But I do get your points and compared to other modern rides, this would certainly fall short.

[@carminecdinoproductions]

It’s a great video, but I can expect more!

[@DeepVeinThrombonus]

What I really want to know is what time of year and day these videos are taken when these rides are almost empty

[@mindyschocolate]

I love this ride. I just wish it were longer.

[@sideeswipe]

I completely agree with this, I don’t get the point of spending millions of dollars on a new state of the art coaster just for it to be like 30 seconds long

[@juliebedard5629]

you are so right about this ride, and that imagineers have lost their imagination

[@BrendonPatrickWatts]

Thank you someone finally agrees with me

[@Dr.McDrunk]

Hagrid’s motorbikes is the better version of this ride in every way. Good job Universal.

[@michaeljabronis7271]

Completely agree, although disney has always aimed more towards the youth and universal adults, both having a lil of each of the other in there parks. This ride though in particular is a joke.

[@BigBossMan538]

Your point about the difference between modern and old Disney films is great, couldn’t agree more

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I know that even the films of the Disney Renaissance were criticized for being a bit too emotionally safe, but come the era of Disney 3D animation, they look much better in retrospect.

[@BigBossMan538]

@@PoseidonEntertainment Lion King didn't hold back much at all, can't say the same about Beauty and the Beast.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

@@BigBossMan538 I think that Lion King and Hunchback might be the exceptions in this case. Not that I don't enjoy the renaissance films, but I see where the criticism comes from.

[@cmos1313]

One Question: What time of the year did you go to disney where big thunder mountain only had like six people riding?

[@mini_mew775]

I would never say it's the best ride but I do enjoy it on the very rare occasion I feel like waiting for it. I do agree they could have definitely done more with such a popular theme

[@carminecdinoproductions]

I should expect some coasters similar to Seven Dwarfs Mine Train but with different themes inspired by different IPs!

[@alicynwonderland6499]

I was wondering why I remember feeling disappointment with this ride when I was younger and this video explains it all. Glad I didn't think it was worth riding when I came back as an adult.

[@frankcohen3514]

I've been on Tron 6 times over 3 trips to Shanghai. It is the best roller coaster in the world right now - has been for the past 5 years since the park opened - with Hagrids coming in close second. It's theming is true to the Tron Legacy movie - starting from the outside queues that are underneath a giant laser, then being briefed by Gem (actress Beau Garrett), and rocking out in a rave in the giant loading room to Daft Punk's masterpiece score to the movie. Plus the approach to the Tomorrowland has three dimensional paths on multiple levels that take you past giant gardens planted to show agrarian solutions to our climate change, and the story line is consistent through the 3 rides and 2 restaurants in the land. The ride launches you from a contained long hallway to the outside high up in the air. It gives me a thrilling feel of flying like Superman, then then back into the game grid. You are also going from cool blue lights and air conditioning to breezy humid air and then back into cool inside-the-computer themed competitive racing. It's so smooth all the way through.

[@bassetbaby67]

I have not been on the mine train, but from videos of it I've watched I had always thought that the main "great" thing about it was the swaying train cars. Perhaps that's their way of making up for the lack of scenery.

[@Red_Ryan_Red]

I regret spending the time I did waiting for this. I think I enjoyed watching it more than anything else, but I agree it should have been so much more.