Seven Reasons Baptism is NOT Required for Salvation

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C4C Apologetics

C4C Apologetics

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@CalebDowning
@CalebDowning 7 жыл бұрын
On point man. There are some good people out there that get this wrong and lead others wrong with them. Thanks for the clear presentation.
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, I had a run-in in the past with the "requirement" to baptize my son in order to be saved....it is a personal topic for me. Salvation is through the finished work of Christ not our work(s).
@debbiereay6767
@debbiereay6767 Жыл бұрын
This was such a helpful summary. I facilitate a Bible study and a Mormon attends and she asks very pointed questions and this was very helpful to answer her.
@HolyisHISname_channel
@HolyisHISname_channel 6 ай бұрын
Also this verse shows that water baptism is of John not of Jesus. Baptism of Jesus is spiritual baptism Matthew 3:11 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
@kwpctek9190
@kwpctek9190 Жыл бұрын
On the 2nd point (Act 2:38) the "for" is indeed "for" and it (the Mikvah) was required for Jews as a rite for purification and identification. If you will rightly divide scripture, you will know that Christ and Peter were speaking to a strictly Jewish group labelled by Christ as His "little flock" church and their numbers were about 120 waiting for what was prophesied in Joel 2 to come on Pentecost. This was not a secret or hidden in time past and this church (group) zealously practiced the law as James said, right up until last mention in Acts 21 but ceased to exist after the temple destruction made it impossible. At the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7 God foreknew Israel would not repent and in Acts 9 Christ met Paul on the way to Damascus to form another church (again group) to both Jew and Gentile without distinction. This Paul *exclusively* calls this "the Body of Christ" and this is the church (yet again group) that exists to this very day, and he said this plan was hidden in God since before the foundation of the world... Gal 2:7 The mystic Bride-ism and One church-ism we see today in 'churchianity' was started directly by the RCC and I see this channel incorrectly supports that view. If you rightly divide, you will not be afraid to see two churches existed contemporaneously (though in separate geographical areas) in the Acts transitional period for about 35 years by God's extended grace, patience and love to a diminishing Israel (see Romans 11). This gave Israel more than enough chance to call upon Christ as Messiah and King and He would return after a 7 year tribulation period spoken of in the book of Daniel.
@popoffs5273
@popoffs5273 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question about baptism of fire. Luk 3:16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. can someone explain this.
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 2 жыл бұрын
I believe in this video our pastor explains this passage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2qphZSNqrFnjsU
@oritheo
@oritheo Жыл бұрын
1 peter 3:21 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Galatians 1:25-26 John 3:5 Acts 1:5
@FBCTrona
@FBCTrona 5 ай бұрын
Good video, great stuff here. only would disagree with Acts 2:38. I do believe he there is speaking about the Baptism of the Spirit as addressed in Acts 1 and experienced by these people Peter is preaching to in Acts 2. Essentially Peter is telling them repent and be saved, or baptized by the Spirit as we were to be saved. If the answer is in the word "for" or ice then Repentance is on the wrong side of that word. Great video, and helpful.
@richardgraciano2489
@richardgraciano2489 2 ай бұрын
Well it's not the water that's going to save you is the command of Jesus Christ is so important that even Jesus Christ God baptized to show us how to do it
@JonathanGrandt
@JonathanGrandt Жыл бұрын
How exactly is water baptism a public declaration any different than just opening your mouth and telling people? You can only be baptized wants… After that it’s ceases to be a public declaration because you could only do it one time. You can wear a wedding ring to show people that you’re married… But you can’t wear a tank of water on your head.
@Lexie810-b5r
@Lexie810-b5r 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, thank you for this video.
@smorgasbordtv4092
@smorgasbordtv4092 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, thank you!
@JeffreyStrader
@JeffreyStrader 10 ай бұрын
AMEN MY BROTHER!
@teodor181
@teodor181 4 ай бұрын
Why would you deliberately refuse to be baptized? Its like saying you deliberately want to live with your parents until death instead of having your own home. Its like saying you are right handed and deliberately decide to only use your left hand to write from now on.
@JeffreyStrader
@JeffreyStrader 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there are some who willingly refuse to hear the gospel. They feel their interpretation is correct. That act right there is their first sin. Interpretation comes from THE HOLY SPIRIT ALONE, not man. The second sin is when you DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT when he brings the discernment. (and that is the unforgivable sin)
@oritheo
@oritheo Жыл бұрын
John 14:15….matthew 28:19…james 2:26
@DannyLoyd
@DannyLoyd Жыл бұрын
The thief on the cross, how do you know he wasn't baptized by John the Baptist? but even if he wasn't, the thief died under the old law and baptism in the name of Jesus wasn't commanded until several days after the thief had died, Jesus said said in Mark 16:16 " he that believes and is baptized shall be saved" Jesus said in Luke 24:47 that the remission of sins to be preached in Jesus name would BEGIN IN JERUSALEM. This happens in Acts 2, the thief had been dead a very long time. In Acts 2:38 they were told to " repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins". Next, the Thief didn't believe in the DBR of Jesus, he didn't say the sinner's prayer, didn't receive the HS Baptism, so since he didn't believe in the DBR of Christ, we don't have to either? Anyways, read Romans 6, Gal 3:26-27, Col 2, 1 Peter 3:21. Read scripture that talk about baptism, you will see it is necessary for salvation. Have you died with Christ? been buried with him? been raised with him? has your old man of sin been crucified with Christ? have you been freed from sin? have you put on Christ? are you in Christ? again read Romans 6 and Gal 3:26-27. C4C doesn't believe you have to believe in the DBR of Christ because the thief didn't
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics Жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️ Non-Sequitir
@sophiavalencia5312
@sophiavalencia5312 7 ай бұрын
Jesus died first, then the other two. They died under the new covenant. “The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:” ‭‭John‬ ‭19‬:‭31‬-‭33‬ ‭KJV‬‬
@richardgraciano2489
@richardgraciano2489 2 ай бұрын
Well if you can it is important to be baptized Jesus was baptized remember that
@HolyisHISname_channel
@HolyisHISname_channel 6 ай бұрын
You are right to say that we have eternal life at the beginning of salvation but you are forgetting all the other verses that back up the fact that you can fall away, backslide, cast away, apostatize, or walk away from the faith by not being obedient to the Spirit and Word of God which is the walk of Faith. Yes we are kept by God if we are Faithful brother. It is willful sin continuing without repentance or not forgiving others that puts you in the danger of judgement. i advise you to read the parable of the vine or the ten virgins. No you dont work for salvation you are to serve righteousness after becoming born again, otherwise you have taken Gods Holy Gift for granted and your faith is not genuine. You cannot serve two masters. you either serve sin unto death or righteousness unto life eternal.
@Daniel12.4Ministry
@Daniel12.4Ministry Жыл бұрын
You seem to convince yourself that baptism is not necessary for salvation, but there are many who are more learned that disagree with you: Barnabas (circa 75 AD) "Blessed are they who place their trust in the cross and descend down into the water... We indeed descend into the water full of sins and defilement, however we come up, bearing fruit in our heart, having the fear of God and trust in Jesus in our spirit." Hermas (circa 110 AD) "Before a man bears the name of the Son of God, he is dead. But when he receives the seal, he lays aside his deadness and obtains life. The seal then is the water. They descend into the water dead, and they rise alive." Justin Martyr circa - (circa -160 AD) "But there is no other way than this to become acquainted with Christ; We must be washed in the fountain spoken of by Isaiah for the remission of our sins, and for the remainder of our lives we must live sinless lives." Iranaeus (circa 180 AD) "But there are some Gnostics who assert that it is unnecessary to bring people to the water. Rather they mix oil and water together, and they place this mixture on the heads of those that are to be initiated. .. This they maintain to be the redemption... But there are other heretics that reject all of these practices and maintain that the mystery of the unspeakable should not be performed by visable and corruptible creatures. They claim that the knowledge of the power of God is itself perfect redemption." Tertullian (circa 198 AD) "(Unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.) {Quoted from John 3:3} These words have tied faith to the necessity of water baptism, and accordingly, all those that became believers were thus baptized. It was also this way with Paul, that when he believed, he was baptized." Cyprian (circa 250 AD) "One is not re-born by the imposition of hands when they receive the Holy Spirit; Rather it is through water baptism. Therefore, having thoroughly cleansed, he may receive the Holy Spirit." Archelaus (circa 320 AD) " If he (Jesus) was not been baptized in water, neither are any of us baptized. Yet, if there is no baptism, neither will there be the remission of sins. Rather, every man will die in their sins." Apostolic Constitutions (circa 390 AD) "He who, out of contempt will not be baptized in water, he will be condemned as an unbeliever. He will be reproached as ungrateful and foolish. For the Lord says, unless a man is born of water and spirit, he will not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Quoted from John 3:3) and again he said, He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Quoted from Mark 16:16)" There are many more quotes from many other men throughout history that taught that baptism is the method of conversion, where we receive the remission of our sins. The doctrine that you teach is a creation that was invented by the Gnostics and is not a teaching of the Bible nor Apostles nor of Christ. If you want true interpretation of scripture, it is best to go to the writings of the men that were taught directly by the Apostles, lived and worked with them. They did not learn from the scriptures but were taught hands on, directly from those who knew the truth. Trust their words. I pray you have a heart for this truth and can overcome your indoctrination.
@onlymyself7225
@onlymyself7225 2 жыл бұрын
we can slam this lie with scripture , but i already see the spirit working in you and you don't want correction or reproof , so , seek GOD if your mind changes but the only thing you ever needed was "he who believes and is baptised shall be saved , he who believes not shall be damned" , it cannot get any simpler than GODS own words , you can twist it all you like , it means precisely what it plainly reveals in all its simplicity , believe , be baptized , to do this you must believe the gospel and repent ...the bible interprets itself by the spirit of GOD , the entire bible must align , the doctrine you are preaching , it does not align with all the scriptures you already know i would give you .. if the bible says water saves , go baptize , be baptized , teaching all nations and he himself was baptized ...stop being a rebel and just obey GODS simple instructions and thank him for the free gift of grace you wouldn't have without him .
@lv6892
@lv6892 Жыл бұрын
But it says "he who believes not shall be damned" not "he who believes not and and who baptises not shall be damned" It's literally written like that in the bible and you also wrote it correctly. I don't think it's a twisted interpretation of baptism.
@jeremiah5319
@jeremiah5319 Жыл бұрын
If water baptism saves, then there are a lot of ex-Catholic Atheists who are saved. (I assure you, as God's word informs us, Atheists are NOT saved. So, baptism didn't help them a bit.) You really believe that salvation comes by water baptism? You actually provided a portion of a verse that contradicts that idea. Here's the entire verse: Mark 16 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Let's break that down to make it easier to see what it says: Those who believe and are baptized are saved. Those who don't believe are not saved. The second part doesn't even mention baptism as a factor. Because it isn't. Salvation comes from belief, not salvation. If salvation were required, then verse 16 makes no sense. It would mean that someone who was water baptized as a child (before believing) would be saved. Even if later he became an Atheist.
@richardgraciano2489
@richardgraciano2489 2 ай бұрын
Ss
@matthewbrown8056
@matthewbrown8056 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why water baptism is so confusing. Jesus COMMAND to make discipline and baptized them. Every Apostles water baptized after someone believed. The apostles didn't give them a choice to say no to water baptism. Water baptism is obedience to Jesus Christ. If you decide you don't half to be water baptized, then you don't want to follow Christ..
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics Жыл бұрын
It doesn't appear that you watched the video, or if you have, considered the arguments made. 🤔
@pankfull12
@pankfull12 2 жыл бұрын
How do we reconcile your teachings when Christ taught baptism, and the apostles taught it after his resurrection? We’re they teaching falsely? James 2: 17-24 …Faith with out works is dead… Through Abraham’s works was his faith made perfect… by our works we are justified and not by faith alone… Baptism is an act of faith. It shows we believe in Christ that he died for us. Faith is belief in action. Matt 28:19 19 ​​Go ye therefore, and ​​​teach​ all ​​​nations​, ​​​baptizing​ them in the name of the ​​​Father​, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Mark 16:16 16 ​He that ​​​believeth​ and is ​​​baptized​ shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be ​​​damned​. John 3:5 5 ​Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be ​​​born​ of ​​​water​ (baptism) and ​of​ the ​​​Spirit​, he cannot ​​​enter​ into the kingdom of God. Acts 2:38 38 ​Then Peter ​​​said​ unto them, ​​​Repent​, and be ​​​baptized​ every one of you in the ​​​name​ of Jesus Christ for the ​​​remission​ of sins, and ye shall receive the ​​​gift​ of the ​​​Holy Ghost​. Act 10: 47-48 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Acts 19:1-6 1…Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them…
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 2 жыл бұрын
Other videos and teachings of mine explain how water baptism is a discipleship aspect, not a salvific aspect.
@SandyJayne
@SandyJayne Жыл бұрын
Correct
@93556108
@93556108 5 ай бұрын
The thief on the cross baptism is irrelevant because baptism is not a condition for salvation. Further he was living under the old testament and baptism is not required for him. Ultimately, our Lord is capable of saving the thief without any water baptism. Baptism is important but it is not required for salvation. Than you
@awakeningfaithTV
@awakeningfaithTV Жыл бұрын
I will be glad to explain it to you. See you asked, “why didn’t Jesus baptize anyone?” But why are you asking this question when you can’t say with 100% certainty that he didn’t baptize anyone. Just because it is not mentioned doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. You asked why is water baptism missing from John 3:16? Because this verse has nothing to do with baptism. This verse is about the love of God and that he loved the world so much he sent his son to die for a bunch of people who don’t deserve it, haven’t earned it, and a lot who really don’t care. You say that water baptism is a “work” but it’s not it is an action that symbolizes being buried with Christ and resurrected new. It is to be submerged into water and raised out which symbolizes the washing away of sins, giving death to your old sinful life and beginning a new life in Christ. As for Paul he said he was glad he didn’t baptize a certain group of people. Look at it in context. The verses before that Paul is saying that people were divided and not perfectly united. Paul didn’t want to be glorified because he says I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius. Then the very next verse says, “so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.” He says people were saying they follow Paul. Not to mention Paul was also baptized. Allow me to go further into scripture with you because your asking questions which is great, but it seems that you have been misguided somewhere along the line. Hopefully this will put it into perspective for you brother. 1st Baptism is mentioned 100 times in the Bible (Why mention it so many times if it is not important?) if you notice the heavens did not open up until Jesus was baptized. Matthew 3:16-17 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” You can also notice here that it wasn’t until Jesus was baptized that the Spirit of God came. You are looking at baptism as a “work” but it’s not. It is an important step every believer must take. If baptism wasn’t needed Jesus would have never done it. We are to follow his example he was baptized so we are to be baptized. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So apart from baptism being a part of salvation baptism is in part of how you receive the holy spirit. 1 peter 3:21 tells us this 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:12 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. I am going to leave you with my final thoughts. John 3:5 flat out tells us that those who are not born of water and the spirit cannot enter the kingdom of God. Period. Lastly Matthew 28:16-20. 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely, I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” It gets even better because not only did Jesus command us to baptize everyone else this passage is the only passage in the entire bible where man is given the authority do to something in the name of all three at the same time. I really hope you see how important this is. If you want to chat hit me up I will be glad to go over scripture with you. Have a blessed day.
@JonahGhost
@JonahGhost Жыл бұрын
I can give you one reason why it is. Go get baptized. Don't gamble with your eternity. John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Jesus was also water baptized. The thief on the cross was an Israelite. Romans 11:25-29 All Israel Will Be Saved 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is[f] my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”[g] 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. John 21:20-22 20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
@bluegorillacookies
@bluegorillacookies 6 ай бұрын
While I appreciate your passion for the truth that we're saved by grace through faith, you've made a ton of errors and assumptions in this video. I actually came looking for reasons that baptism doesn't play a role in our conversion, but you've kinda convinced me otherwise. First, in Acts 2....Makes no sense for the crowd to be cut to the heart about murdering Jesus and ask what they must do, and for Peter to say, Oh, [you're already saved...but I'm not saying that part out loud, but nevertheless], be baptized and repent and THEN you WILL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Romans 6 is huge, but you downplay it so hard. Paul says that baptism is dying with Christ, being buried with Christ, and being raised with Christ....Jesus died on the cross, we die to sin in repentance (Acts 2:38). Jesus was buried in a tomb, we are buried under the water (baptizo-to immerse). Jesus rose from the grave, and we come out of the water (Acts 8-the Ethiopian Eunich). What else does God have to say for you to humbly accept baptism as a work of God? 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12) When did the Holy Spirit descend upon Jesus? Immediately after He was baptized. To the Apostles, faith and baptism went hand in hand. It's only because we've been influenced by Plato instead of Paul that Westerners have trouble seperating action from belief: 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, THROUGH FAITH. 27 ...FOR as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:26-27 To Paul, baptism into Christ was assumed for the believer. And that doesn't mean that spiritual baptism was seperate from water baptism. The two go hand in hand. See also the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8. -------- Also, you said you can trample on the blood of Jesus all you want, but you'll still be saved. This is what the Bible actually says: "28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” Hebrews 10:28-30 Doesn't sound like a "timeout" in heaven....
@HolyisHISname_channel
@HolyisHISname_channel 6 ай бұрын
stop preaching false gospel brother. once saved always saved is not biblical but i agree about baptism
@dieterlesreptiles
@dieterlesreptiles 4 жыл бұрын
Paul to the Colossians compares circumcision to baptism. If you were not circumcised then you were not in covenant with God. Paul in Romans 6 compares Christ’s death burial and resurrection to baptism. If you were not baptized when did you die that death? Paul in Galatians says “for as many...” regarding those who are baptized have put on Christ. Not one more and not one less. If you have not been baptized, you have not put on Christ. If you would be interested in studying with me to correct my error or maybe even be enlightened, contact me! Thanks
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 4 жыл бұрын
Just curious with your train of thought. If you hold to a literal baptism as necessary for eternal life, as opposed to the Holy Spirit's baptism, which Jesus alludes to in John 3, and Paul alludes to in Ephesians 4, and elsewhere, to include Acts 2, then how do you reconcile the following: 1) Why didn't Jesus baptize anyone? 2) Why is Paul glad he didn't baptize anyone except Crispus and Gaius? 3) Why is water baptism missing from John 3:16, and everywhere else that it mentions what is necessary for eternal life and justification (Romans 4:5)? 4) How does one not see that water baptism is a "work" to receive eternal life? And your comment about wanting to possibly "enlighten" me is somewhat arrogant. May want to choose words more carefully if you don't want to offend by your words as texts can be misconstrued in their meaning. God bless :)
@dieterlesreptiles
@dieterlesreptiles 4 жыл бұрын
C4C Apologetics in order of importance: my word choice was in no way condescending. I am fully aware the error I could be in hence the reason I gave you the option to correct my error first. But apparently you are not ready to correct any error you may have. Your questions in no way strengthen the reason water baptism is not for the remission of sins. Peter in acts 2 commands they be baptized and repent for remission of sins. How can one obey the command to be baptized in the HS? To clarify the fact it is water immersion you should compare it to acts 10:47. Before peter had preached the gospel , before they had obeyed, the HS filled them. Peter says “can anyone forbid water?” How can you be baptized in the Holy Spirit if you don’t obey? Once again, I would rather study with you than try to debate over KZbin comments. Maybe we can even do a joint video to compare scriptures!
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 4 жыл бұрын
You completely overlook the Acts 2 baptism argument that I make. It is not to be water baptized for remission of sins but rather because of remission of sins. A public recognition, not an efficacious event. Regarding your mention of Colossians and Romans, thise are symbolic figures not required literal actions to take. Paul uses symbolism in the surrounding context of his Romans chapter on baptism, and Colossians is tied into the circumcision. One would'nt say circumcision is necessary for eternal life as the apostles refuted that idea at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. And I don't feel the need to do a conversation with you as you comments make it apparent you are settled and simply want to "enlighten" another. Again, you hold to a poor exegetical and systematic view of soteriology if you push the idea of baptism for eternal life because it is a work, as well as absent in almost every gospel presentation in Scripture. Therefore, baptism must be something else rather than efficacious....🤔
@dieterlesreptiles
@dieterlesreptiles 4 жыл бұрын
Please consider the idea of circumcision being what was necessary to be in covenant with God. Paul uses circumcision to show the importance of baptism. I did not miss your argument that would change the word from for to because. Unfortunately eis isn’t a compound word so changing it to two words doesn’t make any sense. Also, why wasn’t belief mentioned in acts 2? It must mean belief isn’t necessary? Clearly belief is necessary but also repentance and confession. Yet we repent because of the remission of sins? Not likely. Finally, works we’re regarding the Mosaic laws. Hence the law of works vs the law of Grace. Baptism for the remission of sins was not required under the mosaic law. Since every book in the New Testament has to do with the leaving of the old law and embracing the new, clearly the “works” in Ephesians 2 is referring to the works of the law.
@BobbyFiermonti
@BobbyFiermonti 2 жыл бұрын
@@dieterlesreptiles there is no works that a man can do to be saved. Baptism with water would be a work doing to be saved. That is unscriptural. If we need to do anything to be saved than Jesus did not pay the ultimate price on the cross, water baptism would water down Jesus’s death on the cross and ONCE AGAIN place man’s salvation in his own hands. Water baptism was a ritual the same as many Jewish rituals . Once Jesus had died water baptism DIED with him. We are no longer required to perform any ritual , none , nothing. We can be baptized ( submerged) into the father the son and the Holy Spirit SPIRITUALLY.
@jordanjefferson7038
@jordanjefferson7038 6 ай бұрын
False teacher
@richardgraciano2489
@richardgraciano2489 2 ай бұрын
False teacher but at the same time he's learning so hopefully may the Lord direct him in his truth
@leslieloubser6399
@leslieloubser6399 5 жыл бұрын
No friend. First the grammar error , man made , leads you astray. Mark 16.16. How do you become part of the body of Christ.? You cannot enter the Kingdom if you are not babtissed ,(reborn)
@C4CApologetics
@C4CApologetics 5 жыл бұрын
Reconcile Mark 16:16 with: John 3:16, 18, 5:24, 6:40, 7:38, 11:25; Acts 16:31; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 1:13-14; Titus 3:5-7. You can't under your theology. While I believe actual, immersion baptism is an ordinance every Christian should complete, it is not required for salvation....the only requisite is belief/trust as I state. Is it possible you are reading into the text or forgetting the baptism of the Spirit is in view, which occurs at the moment of conversion/salvation (Acts 1:5, 2:4-41; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13; Romans 6:1-4; Ephesians 4:5)? I encourage you to reconcile that doctrinal contradiction you present.
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