Seven's Orbs are Too Much - Meta Report EP 3

[@Deathy]

Sorry about the audio in the second clip (the HMC clip)! It's a little louder than everything else, woops

[@6FinalFlame6]

very informative, thank u 4 the knowledge

[@ELGROMP]

thank you for informing us on the state of sevens massive balls 🙌

[@Deathy]

got you

[@nicobay4512]

I wanted to leave a troll comment , but your is just perfect , i lost .

[@UFOologyYT]

Slapped geist on the chin

[@carbonpulsar]

Even with Lightning Ball T3 nerfed from +2m Radius to +1m, ya it makes no difference. What isn't talked about is that AOE heroes Seven have 2 NO SKILL abilities, his 1 and 2. And 3 and 4 are somewhat no skill too. With Haze u need to have precise aim for her daggers, especially after the nerfs so shes automatically lower tier. Sevens speed being boosted allows u to easily jump over Infernus ult as I have showed in my 133k dmg Seven build (also showed killing players BEHIND walls) hes an auto counter to flying heroes, his stun is unmissable, unlike Infernus, double eco shard Seven with Knockdown basically prevents u from playing for 10 seconds and negates anti-stun items cuz u can space those 3 stuns out. He starts with Tesla bullets. YA ITS ALOT. EASILY S TIER.

[@brubie7584]

​@@carbonpulsarSevens 3 requires you to be able to aim at least, does nothing if you whiff your bullets

[@Doomblud]

Yeah, I noticed how big Seven's balls are. Like, his balls are genuinely ginormous. It's actually impressive how big his balls are in this patch.

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

Says a lot about the game that while in alpha almost half the cast is in “A” tier

[@Midaspl]

That's just IceFrog doing his thing.

[@teethpastaa]

As a player from both games, the worst deadlock patch is like twice as good as overwatch’s best. Kinda crazy how good the balance team is and how proactive they are, even if balance “isnt the the focus” atm.

[@kc-lz8gs]

it's all subjective. you could break up half of s to a, half of a to b, and so forth.

[@ConyTrash]

​@kc-lz8gs depends on your metric, i don't think doing it the way you describe is productive. you're just describing a list from best to worst and putting x of those in s and y of those in a, and so forth.. i wouldn't call that a tierlist.

[@waldezurbe]

if everybody were a or b, the balance would be perfect.

[@richardbrady1849]

Dude if you keep this up thru full launch your channel will blow up, just keep putting in the work and making your content better and better.

[@chriswalker7408]

seven ball build is one of the most toxic things I've seen in this game. Gigantic radius, hits through walls, one-shots camps, insta-clears waves. Just feels so hard to play around.

[@madeline569]

Yeah so why are sevens on my team not doing any of that 😂

[@filipgasic2642]

​@@madeline569 lol true

[@chriswalker7408]

@@madeline569 enemy seven is playing elite level dodgeball, my seven is playing FarmVille

[@s_sedimentality]

You can easily do wave clears in the middle lanes if you're at late game since his balls are so fast from one lane to another

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

It's so funny how the pros were saying losing to seven is a skill issue and now they are losing to seven themselves. the people that play this game should stop pretending to know everything. it's really obnoxious

[@ctiborjepan]

HMC is mainly used as a movement tech, if you jump um, air dash and HMC you will gain insane speed and momentum, which can be combined with a lot of other movement tech. So the movement tech people like me really love that they keep the movement tech in game even if not intended ;)

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

Vindicta is probably the hardest hero to balance in the game right now due to her range. If she has to have low health cause of her range, but her damage is extremely sensitive. Too high and she’s a menace, too low and she’s basically useless. The sweet spot varies from match to match making her hard to balance That’s just me uninformed opinion as an Abrams main, please feel free to correct me if

[@TheEthan3037]

Knockdown makes it to where you can't play the game. If you're doing good and couple people buy Knockdown it basically neutralizes you entirely. I think the cast range on Knockdown needs to be reduced.

[@Bamblagram]

@@TheEthan3037 debuff remover will cleanse the (incoming) knockdown effect. unstoppable does too. ethereal shift does too. get better

[@TheEthan3037]

@Bamblagram I don't play her. That's just always what I do against them and it works

[@Appletank8]

Yeah this seems like the TF2 sniper problem all over again. If you can't hit the shots, she feels weak. If you can, she's a menace.

[@Bamblagram]

@@TheEthan3037 it works because they are bad lol

[@griffinhammer8574]

I love that HMC is in the game. I really hope they continue to explore these unintended mechanics as the alpha progresses.

[@vorchitect]

im suuuper glad they unpatched it. i hope it stays that way, and they balance things around the fact that it exists

[@guspentecost7310]

Lovely work, community is lucky to have someone so thorough so early on!

[@SirCrusher]

Fleetfoot is super underrated for shiv's melee and weapon builds. Once you're enraged and have one point in your ult, you get a massive +2 m/s movespeed bonus, and you can keep that while shooting because of Fleetfoot's passive. The fleetfoot active letting you cancel heavy punches is the chef's kiss.

[@souljasleet]

Feet enjoyers not happy

[@filipgasic2642]

Good

[@CrittingOut]

bruh

[@Doost311]

I honestly think that gray talon build is just a worse version of vindicta tbh

[@luluna5228]

Just wanted to say the scrim review video is amazing, and I like that content, it’s long and people watch a lot of it, the game needs analysis and you can be the start as the only guy who does it. It’s a win win for both people

[@jakelowry1714]

10:23 you wanted to say “very large balls” so bad but had to stop yourself lmaooo

[@Deathy]

it's true

[@Weebfox]

These are always very well appreciated, keeping people informed about the meta is really nice!

[@Kai-jy9zm]

only way i ever find success on vindicta this patch is to save my flight for escape/securing a team fight win (diving after a kill) and getting alchemical fire very early on to clear waves and deny pushes. the flight speed reduction has felt miserable and I honestly want them to rework her ult upgrades entirely

[@user-qw3nk2ke8h]

I think her flying nerf was necessary, as having perma air time was just a very unintertactive playstyle. Also i play more around roofs now since I no longer can rely on flying all the time. What really baffles me is the change to her assassinate bonus souls. You can actually end up feeding the enemy team by no fault of your own (assassinate enemies, your team dies with their share of the bonus, enemy collects the soul balls).

[@hazardouslife]

@@user-qw3nk2ke8h yeah the assassinate nerf combined with the flying nerf was ass.

[@willsoe]

Thank you for not under rating mcginnis. People over on the subreddit consistently say mcginnis is trash yet her wall is unbelievably oppressive in lane and the very short cool down on her ult means you can almost never push hard against her. Very frustrating champ in the right hands

[@koolaiddude7685894]

People just suck with her. She split pushes better than any other character rn, and coordinated walls to lock out people from fights is deadly af, not even just in lane

[@SurelyLightFoot]

@@koolaiddude7685894not to mention she makes every lane an all or nothing to get kills. Even that does guarantee lane because once she gets ult she can just take the lane. Her sustain and damage are nuts.

[@mopatop3921]

I'm having a lot of success in low-mid MMR with Vindicta. I build her for max gun with Glass Cannon and Leech, and cooldown reduction on 2. She does absurd damage and you have to play range and corners, basically like Overwatch. She feels good to someone coming from hero shooters. She's also great in lane.

[@BlindTarzan]

Deathy is carrying my entire friend group through Deadlock singlehandedly. Thanks brotherman!

[@IgorUlbrich]

Hey you should create some playlists in the channel, that would make it easier to find specific videos (Meta Report playlist, build showcase playlist, etc.)

[@Thetwinsw]

Im glad they are more open to re adding things that they may have deemed as unintended at first I don't believe HMC was ever something that makes or breaks the game and was just super fun to use the movement that you can do around the map with it is sick

[@Thetwinsw]

just wanted to add to this HMC can be done with almost any active item I tested this out yesterday after watching this

[@SquallL47]

and yet, sevens big balls feels like the only way to hard counter turret spam mcginnis

[@CrittingOut]

true

[@diazairlangga951]

I usually have no problem dealing with mcturret with infernus..

[@hado33_]

infernus counters mcdonalds too

[@Tigeraura]

Best Deadlock content creator I know of. Thanks for another video!

[@jehreetv]

Lifesteal being multiplicative instead of additive should've been mentioned imo. Great video though :D

[@dasuberpanda]

Kind of agree yama feels pretty rough now. It doesn't make sense when the characters say 'watch out for ysmato run away!' And everyone still shoots at yamato bc she has no tankiness anymore 💀

[@fenrir2188]

Ult, refresher, ult (plus duration), and Soul rebirth were extremely annoying on top of her crazy damage. If she's gonna have so much death immunity, then she can't also be tanky. Especially since you can't cc her at all when she ults.

[@subby]

as a vindicta main, life is hell rn.

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

I dunno, she's like my third most played and the removal of negative bullet resist helps lot. She now has pretty average health.

[@lennywayes4245]

Spiritual overflow debuff Mcginnis is something I need to test out.

[@ppjola]

amazing video again mister deathy

[@Strellzic]

Been curious to hear about this

[@SuperNikio2]

great video, thanks for the info!

[@Mr_SamuelAdam]

Love these!!!

[@enso8762]

I hate that people discovered seven ball spam, I've been doing it even before the buffs... hope it doesn't get nerfed too much.

[@RjVal-w5b]

For the shiv build, when you are upgrading items and run out of flex slots.. which items should be discarded first? Do you just discard base off what was the cheapest item to buy?

[@adrienhirtz2788]

Meta report is my favorite time of the week

[@MANIAKAEMAN]

love the meta reports. Cheers

[@To-Mi.]

Which Kelvin build you would recommend?:)

[@ness6099]

I think Geist is in a pretty healthy spot, they could make it so her abilities take away more health or make her regen go down to 0.5, that way it makes for some tough considerations early on, making laning against her easier, and slows down the snowball a tad but doesn't impact the late game for her as much. They could also nerf Malice again but fights last so long sometimes that having a character that spends hp to deal extra damage to someone increases the pace of duels.

[@bullatognya5480]

yeah, making her weaker on laning stage would help, because it`s almost impossible to lane against a good gheist

[@jishani1]

Yeah, make her abilities take more health away from her. So she can nuke herself when she wants to and then take your health bar. It'll be great.

[@andriodmanitee]

Hey! So I’m assuming that you don’t have fleet foot in the melee shiv build because you have colossus in it and can melee cancel with that. But is there any use for fleetfoot or vamp burst?

[@wekseth4608]

slice n dice shive is pretty nasty just because youre moving so much towards the end and it has enough damage to take a good chunk of their health to the point where if theyre still engaging while theyre at like 50% you can slice n dice through them and execute at the same time

[@Nicetastic37]

Good video! I need to know how you change the color of the life bar of enemies and allies, I'm color blind and I really need it but I can't find it! Thanks!

[@rhythmofc5598]

Is this up to date to the shiv nerf?

[@filipgasic2642]

Yes

[@ZWortek]

Not much of a nerf he's still significantly buffed overall

[@rhythmofc5598]

@@ZWortek lmao dog shit character, why dont they just kill him already. Or like rework his 3.. theres no way a dps solo carry hero should be the tankiest hero in the game lmao

[@kaygal7042]

hey Deathy, can u make a video on team comps, how to play certain matchups

[@RjVal-w5b]

i saw someone do a HMC into a Diagonal Dash, is this still possible in the new patches?

[@oddy8849]

WE SEVEN MAINS EATIN GOOD UNTILL NEXT THURSDAY 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Taziod]

What about Warden? He got massive buffs and idk he seems kind of insane now.

[@isaac__]

Maybe I'm just not high skill level enough but Warden feels very good to me when I play him. I mean his claw completely zones a single Target out and makes them move away or just die effectively

[@jaybird8706]

Just started playing vindicta. Shes really good early game once you get your ult. People don't expect to be insta killed thah early. However, mid to late she starts to fall off heavy. You cant really farm so you have to take fights and win them or you become last in souls. I don't really know what the answer is to fix her.

[@1nPain]

most valid take thus far+ the other guy who says she shines more in organized play

[@MaSeshield]

Any specific things to note with strong lane bullies like mirage into seven? Struggling with how to adapt and used to mop the floors with pretty much any hero but seven and geist now give me a ton of trouble

[@blinky.5078]

What's a good kelvin build? Was using lystics but feel like the 1 damage isnt strong

[@MANIAKAEMAN]

would also like to know

[@v000000000000v]

build around nade cooldown and burst, get all speed items and play long distance

[@MANIAKAEMAN]

@@v000000000000v cheers

[@africknchickn_YT]

Ball Seven has been great defensively since Beta opened in August

[@nathanielborland3073]

I've only played a couple games with Mirage but ricochet seems kinda nuts with his passive, is it just too expensive?

[@arynx95]

Are Seven ballz still strong, as it was nerfed?

[@aettz5143]

Hey Deathy. Is 7en ball build still good after latest hotfix with -1m on the t3 ball upgrade?

[@Dozer456123]

sevenen?

[@bullatognya5480]

it`s still great

[@qulaeygaming5202]

I personally think Vindicta should have her flight nerfs reverted, especially her speed and acceleration while flying.

[@monkeydew92]

Thanks Deathy!

[@Cthulhu357]

I still hate bebop.. hook into bomb combo is crazy af especially with the tier 3 bomb having disarm.. as a wraith id love tips on how to counter repeated disarms

[@WalcomS7]

I have 409 games as McGinnis and I struggle to understand S tier outside of a 6 stack in discord with a shot caller and you have the time to get into a favorable position to land a perfect wall into an Ult, in solo lobbies she has to be one of the worst. There's no characters she feels particularly strong against now, Melee is incredibly meta right now especially with animation changes and cancels that make her even more vulnerable, her Ult is easy to get away from let alone cancel while being completely invalidated by a slight incline change, and her turrets die instantly especially early on. Even if you hit somebody with the wall early for the 25% damage boost, usually they can just get away. If they initiate on you, there's nothing you have to really put up a fight once somebody is in your face. Minigun might have high DPS but requires so much time to spin up all you have to do is break LOS against her for a moment to reset it. I think I went from winning most of my lanes previous to the patch to never winning a single engagement, and at the end if we do manage to win I just exist and never feel like I contributed much compared to any other character in the game sans Vindicta. If it's wall and a minor heal that your team constantly runs away from, sure she's a great, "support". The enemy has to be completely braindead to let you get anything off. What a I missing? How is she a threat? Especially early on when most characters can just walk up and slap her. It seriously seems like the only thing she's good for is the Wall.

[@keslol]

unstoppable + fleetfoot + spirit build, unstoppable removes the movement slow from the ult and the damage is insane, you are running around with 15m/s and near perma uptime on ultimate

[@WalcomS7]

@@keslol One of the biggest problems with her ult is how easy it is to either stun her out of it or just close the gap, and I feel like that build would solve both those problems. Maybe worth checking into.

[@rtklord]

Really hadn't noticed

[@cYYAN88]

Its wild how quickly McGinnins went from D to S tier lol

[@theweirdone2580]

Me a vindicta main hoping to see you show me a magical build that makes her feel strong

[@XIplupIX]

What is the turret build on McGinnis? Isn't it more common to build around her ult when building for a spirit build?

[@efdeecue]

Turret build is similar except you build heroic aura and rush echo shard pretty early

[@ozn1731]

​@@efdeecue afaik echo shard isn't needed with the recent patches to the turret charge/build times, you can get three turrets up in a little less than 2 sec

[@efdeecue]

@@ozn1731 Echo shard isn't used to put turrets down faster, it's used to recover turret charges faster so you don't get stuck at 0 charges in long fights.

[@CrittingOut]

idk about dynamo being B tier, aoe stun that only a few characters have kits to counter just seems inherently broken, I would put him above a few of the A tier characters (assuming the dynamo actually has a microphone to say what they're going to do).

[@cristiano1428]

Great vid, I feel like this is the worse meta since I started playing the game unfortunately, a lot of things feel wrong and the character tweaks were off by a lot imo, hoping that some good changes come soon though.

[@mirroredimage577]

Thanks goat

[@SynchroFPS]

seems like buds always gets a build featured in these lmao

[@nimric3348]

7 balls are my favorite ability in the game but honestly they can get a little too big. Wouldn't be a terrible idea to put a hard cap on their size.

[@NobleMason117]

Can you upload full unedited matches? With live comms or commentary after, either would be dope

[@joeydesmarais2316]

Vindicta is flat out better than gray talon. If you’re talking about pubs, warden is S tier, even in higher elo.

[@wekseth4608]

i was playing lady geist day one and shes pretty fun but shes crazy good during lane with her bomb and crazy good the rest of the game if you know how to use her ult effectively, then i tried shiv and i havent gone back since because shiv is way more fun but i think lady geist is top 3 heros ATLEAST as far as meta

[@brianclark7681]

Shiv requires too much upkeep to be S tier for the regular joe tbh

[@ThePapanoob]

Gunbop bebop & double / triple bonb sewerside bebop is insanely funny. And abrams is also very fucking good in pugs 😄 got shafted quite alot by him everytime i got matched against one

[@jjimmiii]

i think paradox got buffed for pub play and nerfed for organized, her scalings are a LOT better now, shes less reliant on teammates killing her swaps this patch

[@f1endish1]

You didn't even put Mystic Reverb on Seven. His ball gets even bigger.

[@limear]

massive balls

[@aldierygonzalez7249]

Why in your opinion is paradox so much better for organized play than bebop when both have abilities with similar functionality to “Force enemies into the team blender”

[@checker297]

i think its because of the speed of the projectile (ie hook you can bait), while paradox is almost instant + she can freeze you to set it up

[@alexpivniouk8421]

I don't understand how Seven's balls are this huge😊

[@deadlyxp]

I think Vindicta is a bit better than her placement in this video. For some reason High Elo Vindictas are stuck on the spirit build that everyone was running the previous patch. Her gun range is insane. I've had a lot of success in high elo with pure gun builds. Her flight uptime is horrendous so have to play around not using flying nearly as much.

[@calroar]

The thing is Gheist AOE doesn't respect line of sight and can hit through walls. Making her easily the most BROKEN not OP but just broken character.

[@FatherFire]

just played against a kelvin that domed my weakend patron and was able to kill it so that back in the game i guess thought i would tell someone or put it down somewhere total bs

[@volgtorbg]

hey deathy whats ur buildmfor knives shiv… ive tried dash builds and i agree theyre underwhelming

[@Deathy]

Deathy's Bleed Shiv in-game

[@volgtorbg]

@@Deathythanks. do you prefer melee or knife depending on game? or is it preference

[@filipgasic2642]

​@volgtorbg Melee a lot stronger now. Melee items are busted now and Shivs rage amp makes melee even better. Probably Knife Shiv will be better only when they nerf melee items

[@thesenatetm1258]

Seven juggler skin when?

[@AeroOnFire]

Melee cancel with fleetfoot has been in the game for several patchs now. I only started a few months ago and it's been in since I've been playing. Also you're supposed to sort tier lists. You have Yamato at bottom of B tier and your first words are "she could be A tier". Slide her up next time. Also, brother, Shiv is a terror in the right hands and you main him and you put him in S+++ tier and you say we're in a good spot on balance. Dial back these biases man.

[@denfani9371]

what about spirit talon? His 1 hits like a truck, especially when u can aim

[@peri5552]

i dont see vindicta getting buffed soon. in lower MMR games she’s a menace because lower MMR players dont play to her weaknesses, or dont itemize accordingly. same with haze. they’re noob stomper characters so to speak. how do i know? i queue with a friend who is a newer player, and he gets frustrated when we play against vindicta. of course this can be said for pretty much every character, like abrams can stomp lower MMR too if people dont keep their distance, but what I’ve seen so far is that vindicta often dominates low rank games.

[@odeball22]

They are fine

[@cagxplays9602]

They need to nerf some of the braindead builds, like geist bombs and seven balls. Like wow, you threw down an almost unavoidable ability with a massive radius, you're so skilled, it must have been really hard to press that button.

[@hado33_]

I think the support build for dynamo is S tier in ranked tbh. Often ending the game with 70-80k+ healing

[@gblixt8599]

Seven needs a dmg nerf to Jungle mobs with his ball I think, would make him less efficient early, but would still enable him to power jungler when he gets Surge of power and Superior cooldown;for his Power Surge. Or mby just a jungle meta tweak idk, Seven stomps too many lower elo games imo.

[@spinyslasher6586]

Shiv and Seven are so oppressive right now. Shiv is just straight up near unkillable if he gets a decent lead, making comebacks against a good Shiv is almost impossible. Seven just farms too fast; he's just going to drive through the entire map clearing lanes and jungles in seconds, and he does it faster than Haze with ricochet. Mobility items like majestic leap and magic carpet makes it even better. There's literally no way to stop him from farming unless you dedicate two high mobility CC heroes like Wraith and Lash solely to shut him down. Shiv and Seven were my mains before this patch, but now I'm avoiding playing with them since nerfs are inevitable, and I don't wanna get a whiplash from it.

[@filipgasic2642]

Bro just play them while you can. Feel like a god for a while

[@spinyslasher6586]

@@filipgasic2642 Nah can't get too used to them when the game is being updated so frequently, I'll take this time to master some off-meta heroes. Normally the meta lasts a few months, but in Deadlock rn the meta is shifting pretty much every week since it's in active development.

[@SirCrusher]

They've nerfed shiv in a micro-patch

[@spinyslasher6586]

@@SirCrusher and he's still OP.

[@Nidza-p9s]

CARBATTERY AKA BUD‘S

[@Zbikus]

This spirit scaling for Grey Talon to bullet damage is crap, if you actually care about the weapon damage then go for weapon damage items. Boundless is waste of money, and there are way better options like impr burst that works with mystic shot or surge of power.

[@korg47237]

I wouldn't mind if McGinnis was deleted from the game at this point

[@marcelio2k175]

Every patch they nerf yamatos ult , what if: initially its duration is super low , but it scales with spirit power ? Probably a bad idea tho😅

[@fishydids]

That makes it nightmarish to deal with in late game

[@aaronhillaker7036]

She should just get like 95-99% resist instead of invulnerability.

[@crimsonautumnsun]

Haze definitely not A unless talking low to mid MMR. In high MMR she’s pretty bad, grey talon (gun build) and warden (hydration build) both should be higher than her

[@johndoriansmith]

Never thought I'd see the day when Seven was S-Tier

[@BonhartofEbbing]

Was always S-tier, just took some time for people to realise how

[@devindavon6615]

He's been A-S a couple times

[@G13ULTRA]

i’m going to cry when he is inevitably nerfed into being completely meta irrelevant because I love the character behind the gameplay as well, it’s mostly what keeps me playing him

[@filipgasic2642]

​@@BonhartofEbbing Not rly

[@johndoriansmith]

@@G13ULTRA hopefully if they nerf one part of his kit, they buff another part of his kit. For instance maybe they nerf the damage of the ball a little bit but buff the damage of the gun a little bit

[@nzprince]

vindicta assassinate build, play from range and insta max it for the souls, works well in organized play if the right person plays it

[@TempestRequiem0]

I'm still murdering people on Vindicta with nearly a full spirit build, and leaning on mystic shot + headhunter for weapon damage. CDR is the new item I've implemented into my build since it affects the CD on the procs for those items. What I put the superior CD on varies from game to game. She felt unplayable for the first day of the nerf, but after the .7 movespeed increase she honestly feels playable (kinda) but a lot of that is probably because I play with low MMR friends. If I had a say to keep her balanced (because I hate sniper in TF2 so I know where they are coming from with the nerfs) is that they should lower the time on flight again by around 7-8 seconds but give a much lower CD (-16 to -18 seconds) than it has to give her smaller active windows of safe sniping, but more ways to just escape shifting it as a more defensive tool than a pure chase tool which is why they nerfed it in the first place. EDIT: Flight speed should be reinstated to its old version after the duration nerf in my ideal world.

[@dusty_reaper96]

wardens alt still needs big buff takes way to long to cast it

[@bullatognya5480]

warden needs to be nerfed to the ground and never let to get back up, i hate this character with all my being

[@ObeliskEye]

I figured out how you can make Vindicta OP. You have to 360 no scope with your ult and then all chat "spindicta lol" this strat wins every game

[@cryinx]

melee shiv to strong tbh I expect nerf on melee items. I can straight sit in late game haze ult and just heavy melee and win