Should you store coffee in the fridge, freezer or shelf?

[@thatsmuzik2570]

How refreshing to have someone tell you the answer up front. I still watched it all the way to the end! Thank you!

[@ardnfast]

1:09 👍👍👍

[@timothyhoytbsme]

1/3 the way through the video isn't exactly up front.

[@thatsmuzik2570]

@@timothyhoytbsme One minute in to a 4 minute video, by the math I learned in school is a quarter of the way in. Being aware the first 38 seconds are his stock intro, technically, he doesn’t get into it until 1 min. in, after which the big reveal occurs. If you were taught common core math, ex:2+2=5, any number is up for grabs.

[@timothyhoytbsme]

My bad, I was just going off a rough glance at the progress bar after I heard it. Either way, nothing refreshing. Give me the answer in the first few seconds and I'll consider it fresh. Gotta remember, shorts are the new format.

[@mawo2077]

I was born in Colombia. My grandmother(RIP) was a coffee grower in the mountains. She did the whole process from working the land, planting the seed, caring for, collecting the bean, peeling it through the machine, sun drying, peeling again, roasting, grounding, to finally making a jar. My siblings and I had the pleasures to visit her at the farm after school was out (summer months here in the US) and we’d often watch the whole process! 😅 There was no electricity so no fridge. She’d store her coffee in a sealed container in the pantry and even later on when she could have a fridge, never did. I can say that only a couple of times in my life I had tasted coffee as perfect as she used to make it (once in Salento, Colombia; another time in a very unexpected place in Costa Rica and a cup offered by an Italian man). Delicious! Now… I’ve said this happened in the mountains of Colombia where it gets warm during the day and cools significantly down at night, so I believed this had to help! I live in the northern part of the US now and just keep storing my coffee the way my grandmother did. I guess if you live in a hot climate might as well put it in the fridge. Honestly, I’d never freeze it just because that doesn’t feel right to me and my grandma would probably go 🙄! 😂

[@petersmith8134]

After watching this I will be freezing mine. Did you not watch the video?

[@garyengland9549]

Well I’m gonna do what your grandma did thanks 🙏 👍

[@alanscott4384]

I am no expert. But I freeze my beans in their sealed bag. I have purchased resealable coffee bags with the 1 way vent so that as soon as I open the first time I put the beans into smaller batches and place them immediately back into the freezer. I single dose and have found consistency in flavor and grind size with the frozen beans. Again as a non expert I have found what works best for me and also allows me to buy beans in larger quantities. Freezing beans is a WINNER 🏆 🥇 👍

[@MaruelZain]

How do you unfreeze them?

[@philipdeppen8593]

@@MaruelZain let the beans come to room temperature before opening.

[@paolocardinali3951]

I agree 💯 % I have tried different methods with the same beans at the same time, and freezing keeps the flavour practically intact!

[@riyadh1121]

How is it practical if someone for say opens the bag of coffee that was in the freezer everyday once or twice to make a cup or two won’t that ruin the beans?

[@paolocardinali3951]

@@riyadh1121 if you don't use enough coffee, it's better to buy a small 250 gr bag and just keep it in an air tight container. No need to freeze it. I get my beans in 3 x 1 Kg bags because they come from another city. I fill the grinder hopper (about 300 gr), keep the rest of the open bag in air tight container and refill the grinder once a week. The other two bags go straight in the freezer. You have to find a system that works for your needs

[@garyallsebrook3493]

First place is vacuum storage!. I use a Tillia Foodsaver rigid vacuum container for roasted beans.. I'm a coffee nerd, buy green beans, roast and grind my own beans, drink only espresso shots pulled on a La Pavoni Europiccola. My coffee is never more than 3 weeks past the roast date!. And delicious every morning!

[@smariko3]

Would be keen to know how well a sealed bag of coffee in the freezer stored say >6 weeks compares with a fresh sealed bag!

[@martyns5229]

The common reason cited for not storing in the freezer is that repeatedly opening the bag in warm air and then cooling it again leaves the coffee subject to condensation which harms the flavour. Did you only open the bag after 14 and 28 days? If so, this probably reduced the impact of this effect. Any chance of repeating the test but with opening the bag once or twice a day to simulate how people are likely to use their coffee if single dosing?

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Yes, that would need to be a separate test. This was structured more around situations where people use the coffee in batches (eg pouring into a typical home espresso grinder hopper) rather than a single dose. Also, we allowed the frozen sample to come to room temperature as we didn't want the temperature difference of the grounds to be a factor. However, with single dosing the typical scenario (in my experience) is to grind the coffee straight away (i.e. frozen) - so we would need to recreate that in a future test.

[@igalk474]

@@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters try the same test , but put the original bag inside something like Fellow Atmos vacuum container , and store in the freezer/fridge/shelf ,with some 2 very fresh coffee which is whole beans not ground ,1 light roast and 1 dark roast, and use it like 1-2 time a day that the bag is opened a minute for single dose grind then closed and stored, test it's effect for 20 days then 30 days then 50 days , then get the average results from the dark & light roasts , to which storage is best for coffee overall , also for freezer do 2 variations: straight from freezer to grinder , and the other: from freezer to 20-40 sec microwave defrost the beans , then grind

[@endautrestermes]

@@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters Yes, definitely daily opening a frozen bag will ruin the coffee. In between sealed bags and shelf, what is your opinion on vacuum sealed bags? Does the daily vacuuming takes away aroma ?

[@bikersoncall]

Thank you for giving the short answer at 1:00

[@elburro75]

Great info on the different ways to store coffee beans. Freezer was pretty good but the reason or at least mine is to keep things in the freezer frozen til i need them not be opening the freezer everyday that I want to make coffee. You did give alternative ways .

[@jamesberry7371]

Totally agree a sealed bag works best for me. Unfortunately not all coffee beans come in a resealable bag (a clipseal ). I will definitely be getting my coffee beans in 500g bags rather than kilo bags. Thanks for the info.

[@akshaynigam9729]

Love the detail you've gone into here with the results! Hardly see that attention on any other coffee videos :) Thanks and look forward to seeing more of these.

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Awesome, thank you!

[@Max12345O]

I've got a Fellow Atmos vacuum storage container and would love to know how much I benefit from it! There's a noticeable improvement over shelf storage but i've always avoided freezer storage as the beans would be opened and exposed to the moisture every day.

[@larryduran1047]

The video left me wondering how a sealed bag of coffee stored in the freezer would have compared to the other options mentioned for the two test time periods and for longer storage periods.

[@dumcchancel6930]

Since I live in a tropical climate shelf/normal temperature reaches above 30 degrees, I still put my coffee beans inside the fridge.

[@JasonGabler]

It's so hard to get consistent answers. I just bought a pound of dark roast from Graffeo in San Francisco. It's not a cafe. They've only roast coffee and only sell a few types of roasts. The Graffeo family has been doing this since 1935. Luciano, the wonderfully kind man who sold me the coffee, who looked like he was somewhere close to seventy years old, told me I should store the coffee in the fridge. Do I trust the tastes buds of the "professional coffee tasters" from this video? Or do I trust a roaster who's been doing this all his life?

[@louisirvinelim]

I tried freezing coffee on the first time and it tasted well a few months after roasting! just some zipbag without fancy vacuuming

[@gregmeissner9960]

This was awesome, thanks for such an intelligent answer to this question.

[@michaeldemarillac9992]

Once I have opened the bag, I decant the beans into a clean and dry soda bottle either 1.25 litre or smaller 3-600ml bottles of empty coke etc. Then I pressurise the bottle with CO2 at about 60psi, (the bottle can handle 150psi no problem). Then I squeeze the bottle to allow any residual air out, and then regas it one more time and finally seal the bottle with the lid. What I have created is a perfect atmosphere were oxidation cannot take place so the coffee remains fresh. (it is good for long voyages etc.). However when at home, I do one extra step and place the CO2 pressurised bottle in the Freezer to retain freshness. Now you can have the opening of the pack freshness with no oxidation storage.

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Wow, that's really clever. Never thought of using a soda bottle for pressurised storage. Thanks for the tip 🙏

[@GoggleAX]

It would be potentially be very helpful to others to have more specifics about the tools you use to accomplish this.

[@ivondavid]

thank you Mr. Coffee Roasters for that fine info

[@user-ii3ty2yh8b]

What’s the difference between shelf and sealed bag

[@ryanforsyth5189]

My only concern about storing them in the freezer is I would imagine they would need time sitting before being ready to be used. I know when I store sealed bags in the freezer I have been told to let them defrost before use.

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

While we didn't grind coffee directly from the freezer in these tests, I can tell you from my own personal experience that you can get good results grinding straight away (I've been doing it for years....). If you're brewing espresso, then it does change the extraction (i.e. the cold grinds drop the brew temperature a little), but not necessarily in a bad way.

[@MrSteamDragon]

Great video. Are we talking about storing unused beans in the freezer then, after say a couple weeks taking them out, and using them without putting them back in ? Or are you suggesting we can take the beans out of the freezer, use some, and pop the rest back in again ?

[@drevil2675]

I have over 1kg beans in my freezer all the time. I needed to put out the beans for few days before I drank. And I found that after defrosting the beans one week, the coffee was the best taste . As I result, I would say freezer is a very good place to store beans . Thank you for your video

[@soyasaucer]

in the bag the beans came in or a special container?

[@drevil2675]

@@soyasaucer don’t open . You just need to put the whole bag inside the freezer.

[@drevil2675]

@@soyasaucer kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWGtiKieep2UY9k This will explain

[@soyasaucer]

@@drevil2675 I see. I thought I could store the open but closed bag in the freezer to prolong the taste. thanks

[@drevil2675]

@@soyasaucer once you opened the beans , don’t store them in freezer. Just finished using the beans. The best way is to buy few bags and store most of them in freezer. When you wanna use one bag, you should take it out to rest the bag for few days before you open.

[@TheClownfight]

here is my ritual, would LOVE feedback. We never buy more than 2 weeks worth of coffee. We always buy whole bean and grind only before it is brewed. Those coffee beans are kept in a dark and airtight container. We get good beans... as far as I know. We get the Costco Starbucks 2lb bags. Good price, and its fair trade coffee. As for our love of coffee (the wifey and I) we have an espresso maker, a regular cheapo $12 Mr Coffee machine, a really nice french, and a pour-over immersion hipster carafe. One other detail, the Mr Coffee uses a gold filter, and the pour-over uses their special paper that it is assigned to. My loyalties are mostly to the coffee maker and espresso maker. Now working from home, i use both daily. Wifey prefers the other two gizmos... the Pour-over and the French Press. How am I doing? What am I doing wrong? Also, anytime I have more coffee then will be used in the next week or two, (but I have a big ass 2 pounds of coffee I can't store together) the rest of the beans go straight to the freezer.

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

I can't comment on the quality of the coffee itself, but one factor to consider is the freshness of the roast (ie when was it roasted, not the 'best before'). Typically supermarkets don't label this information, but it makes a significant difference to the flavour. In separate research, we found that the closer to 14 days after roast you can get it the better.

[@herbertotto4725]

First - thanks much for the great test with controls and good tasters. About the freezing, There are 5 levels of freezing - generally understood. 1. Freezing below water freeze temp - below 32 deg F, or below 0 C. 2. "Deep freeze" below 0 deg. F. Many American home freezers keep temps down there. 3. Freeze drying temps. Usually between -50 C and -80 C. That's -58 F to -112 F. Special , expensive. 4. Vaccines produced with viral strains storage temp -15 C to -25 C. 5.Liquid Nitrogen at -320 F or -196 C. Has any testing been done for long-term coffee ground storage to compare results after 1 or 2 ? Or beyond ? 3, 4, or 5 ? My old scientific self wants to know. ( SMILE ) Thanks again.

[@foxmulder4269]

The particular freezer is important, commercial (best), vs auto-defrost, your thoughts. My experience with a commercial was awesome at preserving food; downside: I had to periodically empty and drain it into the basement drain, pain in the ass.

[@daylejacobsen6302]

Couple of questions. When using the coffee from the freezer, was this used at room temperature or straight out? Additionally. When referring to shelf storage. Is this a air tight container?

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

We let the freezer & fridge samples come to room temperature so that this didn't affect the extraction. All samples were stored in the original bags (not in an airtight container - although this is recommended) to replicate how coffee is typically stored at home.

[@RemeLeHane]

Interesting, I have had 3 coffee roasters tell me to store their coffee on the shelf in the original bags. All of these are zip sealed with 1-way air valves on them

[@penultimatename6677]

Wish you would do this again. As at least one other person suggested in a vacuum pack bag or container like atmos. Is there a way to test the subjective assessment with an analyzer to see what appears to be the best choice?

[@arch-rival5477]

Would we need to defrost if we store the coffee beans an air tight container in the freezer? Also, if we do defrost, can we re-freeze? Thank you in advance!

[@auspresso372]

Thanks for sharing that information. Did you find any issues with condensation on the frozen or refrigerated coffee that was left in the hopper or did you defrost the beans while still in an airtight container?

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

No issues with condensation. We let the samples from the fridge & freezer return to room temperature before brewing to make sure the temperature of the coffee didn't affect the extraction. You can grind coffee straight from the freezer (I do it regularly at home), but we didn't do that for these tests.

[@Marlon-1224]

I premake my coffee so I don’t have to wait for it. I usually use glass jars to just store them. Is there a better way?

[@marc-oliviergiguere3290]

Cool info! So if I have an unopened coffee bean bag and wrap it in cling film, that should give the best results even after a few months, right?

[@mariobautista4356]

I previously tried storing beans in the freezer. I kept them in the store bought bag, then in a ziplock bag. When I opened the beans after a week, there was quite a bit of condensation, even after leaving it to cool. What do you think went wrong?

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

interesting. so you were getting noticeable drops in the bag?

[@ClaudineBJimdar-RoweCV]

yes! We should because it keeps the coffee fresh!

[@OttoRolloff]

Hi! Nice video. I was wondering about glass canning jars? I usually put in small doses, enough for 2-3 days each. I notice the sealed bag sometimes can be damaged during transport, therefore I started changing it to the glasses.

[@samuelleask1132]

Great video! Thank you so much for thsi

[@KateAudije]

Hi! How about a bottled coffee made with instant coffeepowder,how long does it last in the fridge?

[@steveh7866]

Right up until you get an unwelcome guest for coffee :D

[@panutdautsa5415]

Thank you so much I never no I can keep coffee beans in freezer 👍

[@saudigamer2003]

Thanks. Very informative

[@AzizIzgin]

After taking the coffee out of the freezer, how long do I have to wait before I am able to grind the beans?

[@rogerpye1865]

Thanks. Very interesting. I would have thought the freezing/unfreezing would affect the coffee oils and therefore brew-ability and flavour. At what time would you freeze the coffee following a roast? That is, do you need to let the roasted coffee beans ‘mature’ for 3-4 days post roast, before you freeze them or can you freeze the coffee the same day as it’s roasted? Is there an optimum time post roast to freeze the beans?

[@mattfrances3747]

Freezing doesn't totally halt the staling process, but it slows it down significantly. If you put coffee in the freezer and use it a few weeks later, it will have aged as if it was at room temperature for a few days.

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Good questions. We let the coffee rest for 14 days after roast before opening and storing in the freezer. The 14 day 'peak' was based on previous research on ideal resting time (bearing in mind these packs are nitrogen flushed - conventional packaging will peak a little earlier). We didn't test different resting times in this, so I don't have anything except personal experience on that one.

[@mrchams]

Why not test filtered water over unfiltered water? Can you taste the difference?

[@ChefGnss]

I hope you can see this. Can you still drink a 7mos old coarse grind coffee from the sealed bag?

[@whelan1983]

If I've ground the whole pack of beans and put in an air tight container, then I'm best to store in a cool dark place? And not put in the fridge right?

[@bariti86]

Can you store unopened bags in the freezer?

[@Anarchsis]

This was also done by Whole Latte Love and I’m pretty sure the freezer beans came out on top.

[@aidancaulfield6302]

Carrots fridge or shelf/basket

[@remanbeauty4328]

So I can do the same thing with my Ground coffee ? I mean ( putting it in the freezer)

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Our tests were based on whole bean coffee only. However, logically the same benefits should apply to ground coffee. Just be aware that ground coffee is more susceptible to absorbing odours due to the extra surface area - so I would advise storing in a properly airtight container.

[@giolupo5675]

Have you done a Moka Pot video?

[@bebekdragon7604]

what is the method of sealing used on the sealed bag? nitrogen, vacuum, 1 way valve, or just sealed?

[@northernlights1010]

Yes, that's exactly what I was wondering about while listening!

[@newfguy1826]

you should have compared vacuum container

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Yes, that would need to be a completely separate test.

[@alexlazaridisf.7276]

@@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters Yes I'd like to know that. Is my airscape container worth it?

[@akshayde]

Are these whole beans of coffee or pre ground coffee?

[@yoho5114]

What’s your favourite coffee beans? Thanks

[@mintteaco]

hi I’m a bit confused with the term sealed bag. Aren’t the freezer and fridge bags are sealed ? Or do you mean bags that have never been opened since buying from the store. Thank

[@mintteaco]

Thanks

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

When we say "sealed bag" we mean coffee that hasn't been opened yet. This is assumes that the coffee is heat sealed and packed quickly after roast to minimise exposure to oxygen.

[@mintteaco]

Seven Miles Coffee Roasters thank you for replying. What I do is to put sealed bags straight into freezer. My friends also do that. They also vacuum seal individual 15g portions and freeze them. I guess those methods will be better than just not to open the bags and leave them at room temperature. Looking forward to further experiments! Thanks a lot :)

[@CoffeeSA96]

Is this test for coffee beans or grounded coffee??

[@SevenMilesCoffeeRoasters]

Whole Beans

[@adamcenteno6155]

Small amounts of coffee translates into more money spent on coffee.

[@c.s.4273]

Why do you keep repeating yourself all over the whole time?

[@OurEmpytyHorizon]

5 seconds into your video one just cannot ignore the hair dandruff on dark blue shirt anymore...