Do Warriors Games Have Too Many Characters?

[@creamychicken6144]

In my opinion, we don't have too many characters. Instead, I believe we have too few stages and battles. They keep trying to tie every character to a major battle when instead in my opinion they could build up a character using minor battle/skirmishes/stages and end their stories with something on a larger scale.

[@wahidpawana424]

Yes, small skirmishes that builds up to the massive battle, and depend on what skirmish you complete, you get different ending.

[@klodpraisor]

This is why I actually had a blast playing WO4, one of if not the largest roster in the series, but there are many stages as well so it felt really fresh to replay occasionally. DW7 also had a surprisingly large amount of stages to play with hypothetical scenarios.

[@YuyuHakurei]

There's too many characters too. I'd prefer they introduce a new one when they want to introduce a new weapon moveset and not make a character then do the weapon. That's how we get stupid crap like a brush as a weapon. I'd like it if we just went back to 4's story style. Just make a basic campaign for the entire region and stick your character into every battle whether they in it or not. The way 8 did it leveling your character didn't even have any meaning. Sure it technically works better when you constantly change characters, but I don't think anyone likes flip flopping characters with a leveling system like this. The story is hit or miss. It's overall good, but those death scenes are so insanely stupid that it ruins anything the story had going for it. Some of those are unavoidable.

[@BigWisper]

As long as each character is fleshed out and diverse. The more characters the better.

[@shawnboahene5231]

These are two opposing statements. The more characters you have the similarities will start to show up until you realize that several characters act look and sound the same.

[@jurtra9090]

@@shawnboahene5231 Yukimura is one of them

[@wrenchguy2937]

The problem isn't too many characters...the problem is the quality of the stages they are making. Koei has gotten lazy and we know it lol. They added what? 4-5 new characters to SW Sanada. That was the last best quality game imo. (Great story. Felt connected to Yukimura but also the characters of that era). Gameplay and movesets are the reason people love the warriors game so much but they also ruined that in DW9. Like come on. Dont even get me started on WO4....that game is meh.....Like they clearly had an agenda to make people like Odin and Zeus OP rather than what they did in WO3U which was concentrate on a good story but at the same time mixing everyone together to feel some type of connection to the story and game. I'm having my fingers crossed for WO4U but i know ill be disappointing.

[@Xedhadeaus]

At this point I just want to scream at Capcom for not growing out Sengoku Basara... As of right now, whether we like it or not, W-force are really the only people doing anything with this stuff outside of Senran Kagura.

[@GReyn]

I couldnt agree more.. I want more of Sengoku Basara..!! they have literally better gameplay mechanics.. You learn your way to connect all the skill for a combo, especially for someone like Motonari Mori..

[@The13thElysium]

A solution for new adds could be to reduce the number - like 1 add per kingdom or something. Also, what does that character have to offer? Who would they interact with? What is historically written about them that could inform their character? Maybe some characters could be Free mode exclusive, or used in a side mode like how they use Okuni in the Chronicles mode of SW4.

[@TheDynastyWarrior13]

I think everything you said is spot on and I agree with. But now I’m confused what to think, because SW5 cut the roster in half and we’re still ending up with virtually the same combat system as SW4 and cloned weapons to boot. It kinda turns the whole “too many characters are preventing meaningful change and progress” argument to a moot point. In general I would have assumed less characters would give Koei more freedom to make changes and gameplay improvements, but it doesn’t seem like that’s actually the case anymore. So now I’m not so sure what to think. If Koei is going to give us cloned weapons and not change the combat system then I’d rather they not cut anyone. But if we somehow knew in advance we could choose to get meaningful gameplay change in exchange for either no new characters or even cut characters, then I’d gladly be willing to cut some.

[@Josh-ez3mb]

Warriors content = what I subbed for

[@LyokoWarrior]

No Warriors games do not have too many characters more is better,i want even more enemies on the field,and they need to be powerful and smart,and better stage design+greater difficulties for bigger challenges.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I love the variety

[@ricardobelogeneralplastro1319]

I see no problem with that many characters, if anything they have managed to do a great job with the huge cast. What we need is better maps and mechanics (not necessarly tied to attacks or characters, i mean interesting mission modes and such). Maybe we can get a entry in the series that doesnt add many new people, but just improve on mechanics, enemies and maps. Saying we need to remove characters is just wrong IMO.

[@GReyn]

i agree.. the characters addition are a nice touch up, but they are lacking on the maps, story, and mechanics.. if we are talking about game modes, bring back DESTINY Mode from DW5XL.. that is the best game modes if they ever add another Character Creation in again..

[@kriz2432]

Sex Gravy: "I won't be counting the Warriors Orochi Games..." Me: "Even if you did, NO."

[@SexGravy]

How edgy edit: how Ironic you deleting your own comment complaing about "not taking criticism with grace" when all you've done is post dumb-ass comments saying the same thing, which amounted to less than nothing, you twat

[@Tenshikichi1]

I think the basic idea of the story mode in dw 9 is already a great start. All they have to do is make a unique scenario to each character. All they need to do are: - Give at least 7 stages for each characters - Make great in-between cutscenes for some characters collectively (eg. Ling Tong, Gan Ning, Lu Meng; the Guan family, kinda like DW7 story mode, but for everyone even the Qiao sisters, Cai Wenji, etc on some battles they appear in and actually having them interacting of course), It doesn't have to be after every stages. The point is to make them at least a bit important to the battle, so they won't seem like an unknown participating officer. - Make unique missions for each characters and dialogues to go with them in major battles (i kinda like how it was in WO1 and 2, they always have some kind of special interactions if you use certain characters) - Make small scale, personalized battles for some minor characters to add the stages for them (eg. for Pang Tong, Zuo Ci, basically characters that don't participate much in major battles). No need for new map, just make the enemy and the flow of battle somewhat different, kinda like extreme legends stories. - Make each character personality unique. Kind of tired that every new characters in this game is basically fan service characters with perfect looks and personality. They are all basically new Zhao Yuns and new Lu Xuns. I need variety! I think Hua Xiong and Yuan Shu are some great additions, personality wise. Also, ditch that switch weapon thing. I think having 2-3 group battle like WO is better than that feature. At least I would be urged to try every characters, regardless if I like them or not.

[@GReyn]

DW9 is super lacking in story progression, i agree.. when you said cutscene and small battle to make smaller character interacts, kinda remind me of DW6.. i know DW6 have their own flaws, but their story mode are good, even with those cut.. idk about DW7 and DW8, because i skip DW7 completely to buy WO3, and i skip DW8 for XL and Empires..

[@muthesquirrel]

Ganna be honest, it kinda' bugs me when I see unique characters I can't play as. :p The anime-based musou games are full of those, especially the first entries (Gundam, Fist of the North Star, One Piece, & Berserk) then in the second they start adding characters by popular demand cos half the fun of musou games is getting to play as people OTHER than the main characters. I don't need a HUGE cast, but at the same time when characters are removed or none are added it feels like a waste of money. I think the problem is the creatrors are getting lazy, and instead of fans admitting that, they're blaming the large cast of characters for all the cloning. The Orochi series might just be using already existing characters, but it does prove you can have a huge cast without resorting to cloning moves.

[@OvercomingAndThriving]

5:30 am glad someone mentioned some noteworthy characters early in the period like Yuan Shao, Yuan Shu who not even a playable character till as far as the 9th installment, these warlords are poorly fleshed out in a very vital and crucial part of the history, there room for plenty of battles scenarios, story and even some their own unique storylines all together much similar to what they did with Lu Bu although maybe it's not worth doing some of the warlords and am just getting carried away playing too much Three Kingdom Total War. Another problem the series is facing is late into the period when the Jin dynasty emerges there really ain't enough characters, so getting major battles with character dialogue and they are just generic officers.

[@wahidpawana424]

The introduction of the Jin faction pisses me off in 6. I would rather have factions from the "Other" category from 5 instead like Zhang Jiao.

[@mintyg6467]

They should just round off the Dynasty Warriors hero's number at 100. DW10 with 100 hero's sounds perfect. Just rework them all, add more moves, make them more complex. Bring back DW8 weapons ;) IMO. Thanks!

[@GReyn]

bring back DW8 weapons, okay, but rework some, the machinery weapon and weird weapons just doesnt fit imo.. it doesnt have to be realistic, but not too absurd as well, flying swords, yoyo and magic cloth lol at least fans and horsetail whip still kinda make sense.. And gives Zhang Chunhua DW6 Sima Yi claws, would suits her better imo (Beautiful but scary)

[@SplodedChaloopa]

@15:00 well if they start developing the game into the late stages of 3K then they might as well throw the historical accuracy out the window imo. I like that the DW games have a Historical focus but I love the theoretical splits the most. Im a huge Lubu fan so a scenario where Lubu wins or Zhang Fei/Guan Yu live, etc. Is super awesome to me. I agree that these game would benefit from smaller rosters with more unique/specialized focuses and better Ai. Hopefully we something amazing on the PS5 in a year or three.

[@JackalGoldKick]

Good video. I like having new characters but there's definitely alot of problems not getting development and harder to give everyone screen time due to how big the roster will keep getting. I think one way to sorta give everyone decent development is combine DW3-6s Way of story telling individual characters with DW7-8s way of it being forces. You could have your regular force story modes and then another section where every character has there own mini campaign with there own exclusive dialogue and cutscenes maybe 3 or 4 stages per person or something that way everyone gets development and also allows for characters who get shafted in the main forces story mode to get more screen in there own mini individual campaigns. Tho it'd create the problem of repetitive stages so they'd have to try to vary the levels in some way.

[@indrathelonewarriors1677]

Excellent presentation as always. A small correction regarding one piece pirate warriors 4. the story will start from the arabasta arc, which obviously is not the very beginning of one piece's main arc.. Its pretty much already in the middle. And yes the aspect of retelling the previous story is still there the reason why the developer choose this route is because they want players to reach whole cake and wano ASAP.

[@RiderWithTheScarf]

The people who scream about cutting the english VAs now are ommiting one of the mos timportant things currently : we aren't getting the loveable meme-tier acting of the PS2 games, nor the all star cast of DW7 and 8 anymore due to how shit the situation is with the VA guild for years now, metoo shits and other smear campaigns, along with companies trying to fuck freelancers etc. It would be a disaster, just not on DW9's proportions. Until that situation is resolved, I'd rather not have an english cast. I mean, if you can't Jamieson Price as Lu Bu, then what in that fuck are you even doing? That diagram shown by BlackKite almost broke my heart due to the Nioh sales. It's the one game I expected Japan to love more and have a percentage closer to FotNS / HM. Japan is probably suffering burnout not just from the genre but the company itself at this point. And love that snyde remark at KW forums, nice. Fucking shit like that killed all the discussion about the game at some point.

[@tonys9397]

Yeah I definitely think it’s an issue, I agree I would add more other characters even though they’re appearances are brief.

[@MauricePhoenix]

For me...No...Thats the replay value to me LOL DW9 Is the worst of in its series for me. Best still SW4II

[@MrNone-d5s]

Nope.. The more the better

[@envynoson]

Sengoku Basara could've been the dynasty warrior killer like they wanted to be if they didn't went too far with the fantasy. But they're a great example of having a small cast of characters yet each character plays different, hell each stage has unique hazards and twist. To be honest Dynasty Warriors could continue to get away with having an ungodly amount of characters, they have two specific game modes. 1) History mode would only cover the battles and tell you the out come of it. (Nothing personal like Fan Ning is feeling bad about killing Ling Ting's dad) 2) Life of a warrior mode will focus on personalized battles and event based around the character's life. (Zhao Yun will have to dive into danger to save a baby and actually escape with him) They can reuse a lot of map and your modified them for specific personalized events.

[@doozlebeer3822]

Sadly Crapcom neglects Sengoku Basara which is sad.

[@expired-deku7130]

I really hope DW10 focuses more on what if stories, it would be good to see the team bring some original stories to the table with the main story a much smaller focus. Expand on Diaochan's plot to give her a more in depth story, explore the whole Cao Cao wanting the Qiao sisters for himself....that not only gives them more focus but it would be new, I don't think they have touched that story line since 4 I think? SSX, what if she didn't just want to be Liu Bei's wife....what if she took over Wu....They aren't going to do it, Diaochan will get her one battle then shes done with, their writing was more creative on the ps2 era, give the characters their solo stories again.

[@mahiru20ten]

Seems like they really have to put new characters for the post-Wuzhang Plains period from the Wu and Shu side.

[@nico.delmundo]

I will say that there’s too many NPCs. Like I’d rather have a map full of playable characters you fight instead of just like 4-8 a map.

[@Mister-Imperfect]

Well, i love how much characters warriors orochi 4 ultimate have, it´s more fun to play with over 100 instead of only 10 :P For examle, i love the Berserk game from warriors, but it has only ~10 characters, that is way to less :/ I prefer warriors orochi, samurai warriors, and pirate warriors that have a lot of characters. ( pirate warriors 1 has not much characters but 2,3 and 4 has a lot then)^^

[@HUNTER-tv1ew]

Id love to hear your opinions on there movesets and how they can expand and how most of the roster use a similar gameplay template but a few always stick out like Zhou Tai's cool juggles, and how outside of sw4 everyone had a simulat move range even the characters with guns.

[@waris.m7950]

I believe that there are too many characters as there are many which add very little to the story and are better off being replaced by characters who have a greater involvement in the stories.

[@kamarrawlings6285]

Waris .M too many useless characters got that right.

[@GReyn]

@@kamarrawlings6285 some are, for example, Bao Sanniang, she doesnt add anything, and is she even in the real story with Guan Suo?? at least, if they try to add fictional character, try making it like Kunoichi from SW.. the character story are stale as well..

[@muhamadnazimbinmohdghazali136]

Now samurai 5 has 27 character

[@TheDjd111]

does warriors games have too many characters.... HELL NO i love getting every single character to 100 on each game it only becomes annoying if you make it so i enjoy the games way too much

[@DemonChildCC]

I don't mind too many chars.. but I do think the games have finally reached the end..

[@Johnnygrafx]

I like the games with tons of characters, but I also like that they are balanced out with games like Berserk.

[@MorphyVA]

Koei probably watched your video 😅

[@zacflemo1994]

still waiting for liao hua

[@VietnamRetroGameBroadcast]

Like Basara ít only more 40 character bút gameplay very well

[@kaytenki]

Would be better less characters with a more balanced, polish gameplay and difficult. I stoped playing these games because almost every character feel the same. they where my favorite games

[@kamarrawlings6285]

Denner Diniz you are so telling the truth.

[@Dtzeo503]

I honestly do not like the hyper attacks in SW4

[@Dtzeo503]

@@freelanceart1019 they are just boring lol

[@abdoul5176]

Pirate Warriors 4 is my DW9.

[@SexGravy]

I have no idea what that means, considering Pirate Warriors 4 isn't out yet...

[@abdoul5176]

@@SexGravy Ok.

[@abdoul5176]

@@freelanceart1019 No I didn't. Was it really?

[@cdmanjak]

Fuck yes they do

[@Dealgamin]

My perspective: id like to see a better focused story. Focus on a few character based on historical impact and their role in history or like dynasty warriors 8 which focus on the major kingdoms. Have a ton of unique characters in the battles as like switchable characters and after unlocking in sm make them playable in a secondary replayable game mode. I personally love a large cast with diverse movesets, but I don't think structuring a story mode around all of them bears much fruit.

[@danmacho31]

Its never too many.

[@Cure_Gorgeous]

Probably, but to be honest, I'm not expecting something drastically different for Dynasty Warriors 10. They'll keep the same gameplay, add one or two new attacks, declone the characters, and add 15 new playable characters. That's what I'm expecting.

[@GReyn]

well, that is their formula.. no doubt..

[@nghiatuan3388]

Try sengoku basara, around 40 characters but they have deeply combat style, deeply story

[@GReyn]

true, and new version makes story progression.. especially from basara 2 to basara 3, with the progression of young Ieyasu, into older Ieyasu, mitsunari, etc (but 3 lacks in character though) but in later version (4 and sumeragi) they added back older characters, but i just hate that totally dismissed older characters like Nouhime, Ranmaru Mori, Xavi, Yoshimoto Imagawa, that ice mallet girl (forgot her name) and even Minamoto (forgot his full name)..

[@theflyingdutchman4365]

I need more characters

[@shawnboahene5231]

Yes. There are too many in fact it’s one of their biggest problems especially in dw 9 where there are stories for characters that barley really do anything. It’s ok for those characters to be in free mode but not story.

[@wahidpawana424]

I really like the fact that Zhang He became a meme when it comes to gauging how much they screwed the series up.

[@Memoria1356]

Dynasty Warriors could go with a weird reboot kind of way by completely telling the story from start to finish and then the game after that focusing on another part of Chinese history like the rise of the Han, add in a good 20ish characters?

[@xandera702]

Diversity and complexicity in characters is what is missing too- majority in DW and those off brand title like Op which continuously, yes does tell same fricken story. However people complain that the newest one is missing a difficulty mode called nightmare whereby if you had its version of hypermode, You're literally god one shotting even bosses. Thus again the problem is shit is to simple and consistently under the praise of / so called/ musou fans. After their very first experience is HW. Volga himself is based on Lu Bu, like can we please talk about deepening the experience and playability of the main games that influenced those ones? I'd like characters that make a difference to the overarching story and providing a challenge to produce replayability via tension of say your base being taken easy cause that faction is that near.

[@kanbeikurodasamurai7]

Personally when you compare the games like Dynasty Warriors 3 to 4 and 4 to 5. They added 3 new characters and upgraded the movesets, when 5 came out the movesets were upgraded again and we got 6 new characters. We didn't get 20-30 new characters and uninteresting movesets like the newer games, which sure Han Dang is garbage and the huge amount of waifus we don't need. I wish they could go back to the old days where we got new characters becauss its a new game not because its a DLC that adds so little to the game.

[@GReyn]

true.. add maybe 1-2 characters per kingdom (4-8 characters) with lots of improvement on their gameplay mechanics is better than adding 10+ characters, but little depth in their gameplay.. take Sengoku Basara for an example, Basara 1-2 they have basically the same mechanics, but have a different amount of characters.. but then they decided to make an upgrade on their gameplay, and become Basara 3 (Samurai Heroes), which has small number of characters but it is a lot more worth it because of the gameplay.. after the gameplay is right, then they add dismissed characters and new characters and the new version Basara 4 (Sumeragi) That is a lot better imo..

[@sakura-rosegamer5847]

15:31 🤣🤣

[@kamarrawlings6285]

The warriors series is dead 💀 face we can complain and argue about what we in the game and what koei needs to change. But we all know that’s not going to happen we need to stop buying these games they are 2nd capcom with their making the same game over and over again. Even the characters fighting styles are boring compared to the older games. Definitely the challenge is lacking all of the characters are starting to blend together no one stands at the top of warriors games anymore give whoever you want a decent weapon and slaughter peons across the map even generals with stupid AI.

[@GReyn]

I agree on the Stupid AI thing.. i dont feel like completing anything fighting against them.. Just wish they could make a better AI, maybe some like from Sengoku Basara that is a lot more of a challenge to fight, especially Nobunaga and Tadakatsu stages..

[@fmc291]

I think many Dynasty Warriors characters should be cut. Just to put more focus on story and character move set and design.