SF pods used for low-cost housing by tech workers under investigation by city

[@nicolasbenson009]

The fact that there is already an excessive amount of demand awaiting its absorption, despite how everyone is frightened and calling the crash, is another reason why it is less likely to occur that way. 2008 saw no one, at least not the broad public, making this forecast, as I'll explain below. The ownership rate was noted to have peaked in 2004 in the other comment. Having previously peaked in the second quarter of 2020, we are currently at the median level. Between 2008 and 2012, it dropped by 3%, and by the second quarter of 2020, it had dropped from 68 to 65.

[@hersdera]

You're not doing anything wrong; the problem is that you don't have the knowledge needed to succeed in a challenging market. Only highly qualified professionals who had to experience the 2008 financial crisis could hope to earn a high salary in these challenging conditions.

[@hersdera]

Actually, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention this, but I'd recommend looking up " Margaret Johnson Arndt” because she was a big deal in 2020. She manages my portfolio and serves as both my coach and my manager.

[@SandraDave.]

Margaret’s profile appears to be fairly knowledgeable, therefore I must say that I value the advice. After locating her online, I thoroughly read through her resume, educational background, and qualifications, and I must say that they were quite impressive. We have set up a meeting after she replied to my message.

[@sfdanceron1]

Do the tents in the tenderloin have the proper permits. Bullshit.

[@mwatercress]

“If you want to understand any problem in America, you need to focus on who profits from that problem, not who suffers from that problem.” - Dr Amos N Wilson

[@plantsplantz2116]

Wow The City is holding law abiding working, regular tax paying people accountable. Love to screw with lives of non-criminal obedient citizen. Way to drive away AI talents when they want to come here to invent and invest instead of driving away the drug addicts and bums

[@415_Stand-up]

No such thing as tents in tenderloin TURN OFF YOUR TV

[@mwatercress]

@megatunnage1 Who regulates the vandlords who use Molotov cocktails for evictions?

[@mwatercress]

@megatunnage1 Do you really think they aren't paying rent in the tents? Their streetlords aren't paying taxes but you can bet they are collecting. If you don't understand what I am saying, you are clueless.

[@RandA1220]

SF is basically: HEY! Don't you dare try to solve problems that we can't!

[@mwatercress]

Exactly!

[@FBobby]

EXACTLY. If it can't be taxed or regulated, they don't want it. But the homeless problem. Oh theres nothing they can do about that.

[@atedinahalf6288]

San Francisco is the embodiment of the democratic party. A cesspool of low expectations and suffering.

[@l337pwnage]

lol, that pod scam has been going for a while. Only morons are gonna fall for it. But I can't believe the city will actually do something, other than the fact that they could face liability if there was a fire and hundreds of pod people died. Not that it would be a loss.

[@catsspat]

-we can't- *we won't* Because if government solved any problem, they'd be getting rid of one more justification for their existence.

[@mwatercress]

So they crack down on this shelter for $700 a month but they leave derelict RVs with raw sewage going into the storm drains, 2-stroke generators supplying power, and foot traffic at all hours of the day and night. When our NGOs erect tent encampments on government-owned parking lots they typically cost $3,000 per month per 1-2-person tent. The homeless industrial complex contractors are buying their own wine country homes with cash (DEMA Consulting). They should be investigating this to see if they could make this part of a solution. “If you want to understand any problem in America, you need to focus on who profits from that problem, not who suffers from that problem.” - Dr Amos N Wilson

[@alansnyder8448]

Great point. More information on DEMA Consulting would be interesting.

[@415_Stand-up]

Only one profiting are non profits

[@slakraze6288]

@@415_Stand-upthe real estate investors who have happily watched as housing profits priced out the working class are to blame for this too.

[@albeit1]

Uh oh. Someone is not homeless! The city better investigate that and see if it can be “fixed”.

[@mwatercress]

“If you want to understand any problem in America, you need to focus on who profits from that problem, not who suffers from that problem.” - Dr Amos N Wilson

[@dw3403]

These guys are not homeless they have jobs and it is a crime they pay that much rent for a box

[@O6i]

seriously like wtf is wrong with people.

[@donkinea6357]

@@dw3403, yee, apparently, it is a crime to do anything legal in US. And did you mentioned JOB? oh hell no, time for the the government to rob so that they can provide to the useless and lower tier criminal oh, and border crossing people. Go work, get robbed by the system. Go shopping, get robbed by the thug. America! Heck YEAH!

[@albeit1]

@@dw3403 no, it’s not a crime. They know what they are paying for. The crime will be committed by those who interfere with adults trading with each. So we have some busybodies claiming the renters are privileged. And some saying they’re being exploited. And some saying mind your own business.

[@silvermica]

There's no permit requirement for tents blocking the sidewalk. So, there's always that option.

[@brittneykrall804]

💯

[@liberty-matrix]

Nailed it!

[@415_Stand-up]

No such thing as tents in sf fake news TURN OFF YOUR TV ALREADY

[@billcereske7211]

There is money to be made and corruption to be satisfied. Have you ever applied for a San Francico building permit? There is the permit window and the EXPEDITED permit window, with the graft, corruption and bribes built right in. They were going to rebuild the Sutro Baths, which burned in the '60s. They went to the regular permit window I'm told, and they're still waiting.

[@albeit1]

People paying no rent and no taxes monopolizing public spaces created for entirely different purposes at taxpayer expense. This is not the use the taxpayers were promised.

[@randomsh-t917]

People should not live in pods. They need to be living in tents on the sidewalks and dumping on the streets

[@thomasmitchell7815]

Thats what the city thinks

[@thedownwardmachine]

The only things enforced in SF are permitting and parking. And yet somehow you can park your trash filled unpermitted fabric and aluminum pole construction wherever you want without fear of recourse 🤔

[@audenharper3014]

and gun laws for law abiding citizens

[@415_Stand-up]

Fake news it gets thrown out daily

[@marktrain9498]

People are allowed to sleep on the sidewalks, but not in climate-controlled containers? What's wrong with this picture?

[@tomshea8382]

Not what you think is wrong with it, I'm guessing.

[@Stealther]

Way to ruin it for them ABC7

[@leunam3434]

Those developers are being asked to cough up some election funds in an indirect way. Soon magic will happen.

[@ecalder28612]

The city department of inspection should determine if the homeless encampment got the proper permits.

[@plantsplantz2116]

They should inspect their own staff to see who is corrupt and getting kickbacks from billionaire chinese developers

[@billcereske7211]

The department of building inspection, and every city department, has a fiber link to the Registrar of Voters. I'm not saying they actually DO this, but they have the ability to determine every "homeless" person's voting status, party and record.

[@itslogical3884]

The city leaders are more clueless and incompetent than I had previous given them credit for.

[@escoofimpakt]

SF officials rather see people homeless than pay700$ a month for because that's so low.its going to drive down rent in other buildings and they can't have that apparently

[@tomshea8382]

So weird you think those are the only 2 possible options.

[@JC-jj6qi]

$700 a month to live in a Pod!? That is outrageous.

[@shaggydawg5419]

you want a 1 bedroom apartment? You're probably looking at $4000/month at a minimum.

[@poodlescone9700]

In Tokyo, a capsule hotel is $30/night.

[@Mike__B]

No, it's $700 a month to share a building space with others and the pod is where your bed is.

[@unkatom]

@@Mike__B My office in [local town less than 80miles away] is only $489 a mo. Private, 24/7 access, parking included. My microwave and fridge are here… and its nice.

[@kohort1]

That's the rate. Some younger professionals can sacrifice their luxuries, and save for a bigger place. A studio in DT is probably $3k+. Maybe out in the sunset you can get a studio for $2-2.5k All of this depends. Just an educated guess.

[@maestrovso]

Similar pods have been around in Japan for decades. They are mostly for travellers or businessmen out drinking but miss the last train home. $700 a month is not outrageous if nicely equipped and well cleaned after each use. Of course the SF will shut them down due to no "proper permit". Let's shut down the tents on the street if they don't have proper permit.

[@tomshea8382]

LOL "not outrageous"

[@winterlion9366]

America are so messed in their own way

[@HeronPoint2021]

I had a nice paid off Cube van with a teak floor. When things went sideways I moved into my van: my mahogany bedroom suite, avec closet, followed me into the truck. My nine piece real Duncan Fyfe dinette went to my artist brother (i knew he's take care of it), the walnut dresser and sitting chair went to mom, various stuff went to the weekend flea market, sold in box lots to the dealers. It rained a lot, and the sound of that rain hitting the metal roof?? Nicest sleep I'd had in years. A guys gotta do what a guys gotta do. And move every night!!

[@Mike__B]

If also what you "gotta do" is not leave all your garbage and junk outside bedroom on wheels then I'm with you my brother.

[@HeronPoint2021]

@@Mike__B because I had to plan my day, I was better dressed and more presentable than usual!! plus you don't want to attract attention.

[@frankmacleod2565]

$700 a month to live in a pod. I pay a little over that for a 2-bedroom apartment, this place is like a mansion compared to a pod

[@XXtheJUMPoffXX]

Where do you live?

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@XXtheJUMPoffXX on the coast a few hours north of san francisco

[@jeffdur1330]

You don't live in San Francisco though.

[@coochiecrook7120]

@@jeffdur1330 Nobody "lives" in San Francisco💀

[@XXtheJUMPoffXX]

@@frankmacleod2565 Nice, enjoy your peace & quiet

[@justrandomthings319]

$700 a month to live in a box. You can't make this up. 😂😂😂

[@ClownTingz]

Why can’t people just do what they want to do? I don’t understand why the government can force regulations like this. Not a free country

[@dw3403]

well, they are raking in money to people who are clueless about housing regulations as in fire, occupancy and probably not paying taxes on the renting out of those boxes. Its all fine and dandy until something happens and on the news we find out about lives lost because they couldnt get out in case of fire all while the fire dept had no idea they were there.

[@SuperJulioes]

Because regulations prevent tragedies like fire hazards. You should look into the Oakland "ghost ship" fire and how lack of regulation created a ticking time bomb.

[@shaggydawg5419]

@@MiMiiViVi we have laws??? Why isn't it being enforced? Why is crime out of control in the bay area? The "betterment" you mentioned is definitely accurate. SF is a better place for criminals.

[@slakraze6288]

@@SuperJulioesagreed, Ghost ship had pod-like structures built from wood scraps that they rented out to people in an arrangement like this. The parties were a once a month thing to make even more money for the “master tenant”. It’s the greed of real estate investors that drives people to live in pods, crazy to see so many people not even questioning WHY it’s so expensive to find decent housing here.

[@tomshea8382]

Dude, just smoke all the weed you want. Do it at home, nobody will give a fuck. Stop trying to deregulate shit.

[@Henry_Swanson]

When the smartest people ever live in doghouses it makes you wonder.

[@timedj9164]

$700 a month for a coffin .. and SF be like oh nooo you gonna need a permit for that! LMAO

[@annabelleecho8056]

“You’ll own nothing and be happy” is a phrase originating in a 2016 video by the World Economic Forum, summarising an essay written by Danish politician Ida Auken. The phrase has been used by critics who accuse the WEF of desiring restrictions on ownership of private property.

[@joshn2342323]

It is only a concern because rich landlords know this is a threat to their overpriced apartments. You can even see from that guy himself that he enjoys living in the pod.

[@User-54631]

It’s supply and demand. Example: an Apple has more value split up between 10 vs 2. Another example is simple math. In Ca a low cost build cost about 500k, @ 800\mon, would be 50 years before you see a return. Would you give me cash for a check post dated 50 years?

[@julial3758]

nah they'd make more if they make them to pods.. $700 /month for a lil pod hole?? those landlords can make a lot more with a bunch of pods lol...

[@jeffrobodine8579]

Look up how much the landlords pay in ridiculous San Francisco property taxes and you might realize they are not as rich as you think. Then you have upkeep/maintenance to replace costly electric, plumbing and HVAC appliances and then there are derelict Tennant's that do not pay and can not be evicted. No thanks.

[@shawnsanchez7545]

I'd guess that the permits (which this place doesn't have) alone make this unprofitable at $700/pod. The amount of bureaucracy required to build this is why it's uncommon. The work to throw up 1 tent for $3000/month charged to the city is rubber stamped of course.

[@cymeriandesigns]

In olden times, you used to have to buy a refrigerator to get accommodations like this. Now we've eliminated the refrigerator. Progress.

[@MBDDirectory-zx8sf]

Your right !

[@rogerm3708]

In San Francisco, the hotel tax rate is 16.25% In San Francisco, the commercial rent tax is 3.5%

[@smplfi9859]

cause tourism (unchecked new people in your city) is a bigger drag on your city than what they add back through 'tourism dollars'. Local business are supposed to help build your community, whereas tourist are supposed to just enjoy your atmosphere and activities. Big business is bad, but small business (vast majority of SF business sphere despite big tech presence) should not be hounded to make yourself feel like you understand statistical analysis for this context, you just laid out two lines of fact, omitted plenty of useful material, and crafted a reduced ignorant narrative for yourself. You have learned to 'critic' things into your worldview but aren't open minded enough to keep learning. For you I'm sure 'simple explanation is the best' and small business is just another capitalist enemy against the great proletariat peoples, quickly lobby the government to sideline and inundate those little guy with disproportionate taxes and millions of pages of bureaucratic paperwork to dissuade them from engaging in local competition. "nah you just don't understand 'competition' doesn't even exist man!" "So we SHOULD support government made monopolies!"

[@rogerm3708]

@@smplfi9859 I stated fact and you made assumptions about my intentions. Are you a mind reader? You said I omitted material and yet throughout your long comment, I can't find useful material, only opinion vomit. Please state facts and leave out your perception of me that lacks truth

[@sliturarse]

Proper permits, meaning how much are we going to charge that will keep'em governement employed for the next 10 years before we can increase again. LOL

[@Mike__B]

While they do share a common space with everyone in the building, including things like bathrooms, kitchen, etc, they need to find a way to not classify these pods as bedrooms. As in San Francisco a bedroom must be 70 square feet with no less than 7 feet on a side, needs to have natural light and air (aka a window), must be at least 7'6", have 2 ways to exit (door and window) and have a closet. As long as they can prove (or claim) these aren't bedrooms they should be great as this is no different than someone sleeping on a couch, the fuzzy part is how renter's rights tie in here if they're using a bedroom to sleep in.

[@celestialnubian]

"Renter's rights" don't apply here as this would be classified under hotel laws.

[@mwatercress]

@@celestialnubian In some places after 30 days it turns into landlord-tenant.

[@diegoflores9237]

The city should investigate with their hands the pooping on the sidewalk

[@kchiker]

Sound like these "pods" are just hard shell "tents."

[@happydividends123]

In other words "its too affordable"

[@R0M8N]

NIMBYs

[@episdosas9949]

the techies always want special privileges. and not very smart to rent a pod for 700. could have their own room for a 1000, with the same house mates

[@albeit1]

Special privileges like being free to conserve your own resources? Oh, that’s terrible! 🤪😭🤯😂

[@episdosas9949]

@@albeit1 special privilges, like ignoring building codes. but of course you more focused on pinching pennies.

[@kevinwong9667]

^ this the same guy that would go on and complain about not enough people building housing

[@nhfanful]

@@episdosas9949 Building codes and Zoning laws created the housing crisis in the first place.

[@episdosas9949]

@@kevinwong9667 here goes a think he knows what hes talking about, making assumptions. thinks sleeping in a box is a great idea. and paying too much for it as well. probably rents a house out to 40 people like a slum lord. and wants to talk about building housing. no sense tech bois

[@shaggydawg5419]

$700/month rent for a cage 🤣

[@TrickyPasta]

$700 to live in a shitty container? LOL...

[@beelikemizu604]

I was surprised 1 of them talked about it becoming a hotbox at night (another video). For $700 a month, best get some AC tubes for them damn things too, what a ripoff.

[@palmer_fabrication_]

$700 a month to live in a coffin LOL

[@FnGRZupra]

An apt would be like 3000-5000 so that’s better lol

[@nof7864]

Can the city do anything right, sticks its nose into issues that aren't issues and runs from the actual issues. How useless are the people running SF??????

[@bnwo]

Maybe shift some of the permits you've allocated to defecate in the street could be allocated for this?

[@colanitower]

The American dream in all its glory

[@creativeloafer9792]

You’ll live in ze pods and eat ze bugs. Oh and here’s your meta verse goggles.

[@nonyabusiness1990]

What country is this again?

[@joe1940]

$700 per month for a pod? Housing is expensive everywhere, but California is at another level.

[@leonardsmith2198]

A whole family can live in a shoe too!😂

[@mwatercress]

Cheaper than Podshare and it looks like pods have privacy in this one, unlike the open bunks of Podshare.

[@robertusa1234]

I live in central Virginia. I pay less then 700$ a month for a 3 bedroom house

[@cloudyOso]

A studio cost 2K-3k in SF. Please, when can we overthrow our government?

[@JM-lf4ws]

They DID just overthrow the government in 2020...this is what you get now...

[@XM2X901]

Why don’t they spend time on approving new housing projects instead… we have a housing shortage. This department should be let go.

[@PonderingGhost]

$700 is not enough to pay for the monthly rent. That's too generous. I would like to pay $1200 a month. I need to get into that pod like ASAP.

[@ericheine2414]

This is not housing. This is storage. This might be suitable for inanimate objects. I was trying to think what civilization had boxes to put people in and call it housing. This is a form of confinement and torture.

[@bukboefidun9096]

Yet m0rons choose to live in them

[@FnGRZupra]

Ok so living on the street is also housing? How about fix that situation first.

[@dustywilson5461]

Can't shut this down without shutting down tent cities for lack of permits.

[@letsdostuff5864]

All those people living in those pods all think they will be Elon Musk one day and be super rich and successful and they think living in a small pod is just part of the process. It's not smart, it's egotistical.

[@FnGRZupra]

Let them try. It’s called a dream. Maybe one will get rich.

[@GKP999]

This reminds me of the cage apartments in Hong Kong.

[@HiThisIsMine]

$700/month for a hole? Absurd. ….. I’m getting business ideas! 🤑

[@simonebernacchia5724]

If you are in LA too late, i seen higher prices already for worse accomodations

[@kitchenerleslie8936]

Umm, no footage of the pod development? Great reporting! NOT!!!

[@lesliemeehan3724]

not any detail on what they get for $700 a month

[@tl3139]

I thought it was permit first, build second.

[@mdelrosario69]

From what I’ve heard, SF is such a progressive city they’d rather people be homeless than live in Pods without a permit.

[@JWP452]

Why are tech workers under investigation? Or is channel 7 too stupid for journalism?

[@troygaspard6732]

Any home owner knows about the permits you need to add anything new to the basic layout. Just because Tokyo has them, does not mean they are legal in SF.

[@daviddong9916]

so the tents on the streets dont need a permit? huh

[@plantsplantz2116]

That explains why Tokyo is so much cleaner than sf, bums/derelicts cant be seen and ahead of SF in terms of infrastructure

[@ucFJhnukZjfLtc3dPfZrh4qThSg3o]

Who is al founders? Or what is an AI founder?

[@donnaanderson2846]

Absolutely DISGUSTING! Anything for a dollar! We all know that you shouldn’t keep a dog in a crate! If they can’t share the profits of the company with the workers, so that they can afford adequate housing, they don’t deserve to be in business!

[@bigjj974]

$700 a month to live in a coffin, hum just not sure how anyone could be wanting to do this. I mean even prisoners have better accommodations than this.

[@shawnsanchez7545]

City: let's stop homelessness! Also city: you're all evicted.

[@mit11006]

My house payment is lower than what these people pay for a "pod". Do yourself a favor and work remotely in a more affordable city.

[@valkyrie1066]

That looks infinitely more comfortable than living in your car. A lot of the WOULD be if it wasn't available. It's a pity, but there are highly competent workers who HAVE good jobs....and still can't pay for an apartment. If I were only there for work or study it would be acceptable. The Japanese have been doing this successfully for some time now.

[@jaymeez]

$700 a month for that!?! Smdh

[@kh8609]

Sf will go out of its way to not love you back.

[@lisdexia1]

Bureaucracy is when people do not allow for changes when laws and regulations don't take things into consideration and they refuse to look for solutions. "It can't be done!" "Not on my watch" "I don't care" "I can't comprehend what the problem is so it doesn't exist" "We don't have time to improve". These are all excuses for people not wanting to go beyond what their idea of their job is. People that excel in their positions find solutions. This is not what government does, unfortunately. Fix one problem, and now 12 people are out of work. Sound familiar? Conservatism = "I'm comfortable with my problems" Progressivism = "We can make thing better"

[@pegasus5287]

They call a sleeping tube "housing"?

[@W7Mike5150]

Kid is going to change his tune when someone is cutting an 8 ball on his stolen phone and he's laying in the gutter curb stomped wondering why law enforcement he voted to defund aren't there.

[@solarpixiejournals]

I get it......these folks might not mind it, but damn.....700 per month and how long till this is the dystopian reality for everyone

[@heru-deshet359]

They are called "Coffins" in Asia.

[@topcover22]

LOL. Because these pods are WORSE than sleeping in tents, RVs or on the street in the City.

[@ishab745]

So they choose to enforce this on the few people who came to the city to actually work and try to be productive, if these entrepreneurs are successful they will be beneficial to San Francisco. Meanwhile the smash and grabs are ok, open air drug use is ok, sleeping in tents is ok. Make it make sense...

[@CB-ke7eq]

Imagine paying $700 a month to sleep in a storage container. You couldn't pay me enough to live in that shithole of a city, much less inside a fiberglass box.

[@rogerclark3]

It must be good if they're closing it down... 😔

[@atedinahalf6288]

What do you call a democrat who lives in a democratic city? A trump supporter.

[@danielmathai4780]

Government cannot provide housing, but they are going after people who are trying to provide housing...😂😂😂

[@SuperJulioes]

😅😅 I love how these tech bros dry snitch on themselves and their slumlord by going to the local news to brag about their $700/month fire hazard - living arrangements. Too much "Artificial Intelligence" and zero "street Intelligence". When you have a "hook up" you keep your mouth zipped to protect such hook up.

[@christopherwebber1104]

700 bucks for a box to sleep in

[@MSaleh-vy8rr]

all the tenets need is the Apple Vision Pro and call it a day. "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy."

[@MBDDirectory-zx8sf]

If they could, they would turn the toilet into a room to charge $1000 !

[@kohort1]

So just cause more pressure on the housing supply.... Yeah that's going to help reduce homelessness.

[@MBDDirectory-zx8sf]

Might as well put a tent on the roof and ask for $700 ! What the world came to!

[@starshine3588]

There’s nothing wrong with pods except that price they are charging….should be much cheaper than that. If Japan can have pods for people to stay in….then the US can too….of course Japan’s look much nicer and modern. I think it’s time the US started looking at the tiny apartments Japan builds and build things like that to offer actual affordable housing….and I mean affordable….not the high prices these cities want to charge.

[@Dave-xs9dm]

Looks like about 300. Curtain.

[@Fordance100]

Decent upgrade over sleeping on the street.

[@whiteowl8703]

He looks like he needs to be in a pod.

[@eightVALERIEeight]

Why dont a few smart people get together, pool their 700$ and rent a place to live?

[@Techpodshed]

F the building department

[@Hernandez4lf369]

Yeah those pods won't lokk like that for long. Probably will get burnt down by crackheads

[@seanhagelbarger6801]

San Francisco is like a hell scape we all get to watch burn

[@chrisbrowne4669]

All good until there's a fire or a natural disaster,, then they are rats caaught in a trap.

[@Really658]

Net positive.

[@bombaybeach208]

We finally have Hong Kong cage style living now...

[@aristotleaquino3067]

big govt at work. like sf needs help getting less people in the city.

[@winterlion9366]

Japanese internet cafe capsule hotels are not so bad

[@snakeplissken3063]

This is the future- live in pods and eat bugs.

[@_rob_.]

Quit paying every politician for 12 months and it'd be a different country with different laws. Just... say'n. I'm glad folks got a roof over their head.