SGC Grading Reveal!! Are They Converting Me??!!

[@captun5207]

I am a big SGC fan. For me it’s about the slab and the consistency. Nothing pops better than a T206 or other pre-war card in a tux. Great cards and video as usual.

[@CoachBWildcatFan]

Love the way vintage cards look in the Tuxedo of SGC!

[@Brad-mj3tg]

SGC in my opinion is more consistent than PSA in their grading. Frankenstein collection has always been my style - not worried about consistency just want nice cards. There were a lot more SGC vintage this National than there had been in years - first time in ages my pick-ups were about 50/50 PSA and SGC.

[@MrJmangini]

The high amount of min size PSA gives is insane.

[@BaseballCollector]

I actually agree with you John.

[@whitesoxfancardcollector]

Embrace the Frankenstein collection Mike! :). I'm very happy that these cards were graded by SGC.

[@Junk-O-Mology182]

SGC is now the responsible brother to PSA. They are the best for vintage and......they have better service. Im sure psa graders have a specified amount of time per card and a quota on how many cards they need to push in a day. Does quality suffer? Do more cards get gigged because of it? who knows.

[@patrickbray7242]

Love this! I only use SGC. Perfect video evidence of why PSA sucks and has some internal issues that need fixing.

[@LeeCopus]

PSA owns SGC

[@patrickbray7242]

@@LeeCopus No collectors owns PSA and sgc along with other entities

[@mathbowler2782]

That was an interesting experiment. The 1971 Topps Thurman Munson looks great all dressed up in a tuxedo. The Pie Traynor looks amazing.

[@Eliteco3]

SGC hands down the best plus older baseball cards pop in that black tux

[@Purplegt22]

Wow PSA dropped the ball big time. Awesome to see all them cards come back all graded. Great video!

[@mikenunya3655]

The Tuxedos look great!

[@Mark-ci7fq]

I’ve been converting my vintage cards in PSA slabs to SGC. I’m pretty well done with PSA

[@BaseballCollector]

That is certainly your prerogative Mark.

[@sportscards88]

Same here. SGC all the way now.

[@Jatto3131]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@LeeCopus]

PGA owns SGC.

[@pb8003]

Vintage looks so good in the SGC holders

[@ACollectorsDream]

Min size my butt! SGC is a slightly more tolerant with vintage sizes.

[@mikepinch]

You should grab a cheap ultraviolet light and put it on the 68 mantle. If there is really color added youll see it light up, and you can actually figure out who is right! It'd make a fun episode to see the difference

[@BaseballCollector]

Don't you think SGC would have already done that?

[@mikepinch]

@@BaseballCollector I do, but you could see for yourself. If you see color added light up then you know SGC missed it, and I no color then you'd know that the giant random grading wheel they spin at PSA just didn't spin well for you on that card! Ha I kid...

[@Valuevintagecards-Aaron]

Definitely makes you wonder who is right since it is so many examples! Personally, I enjoy the SGC process and have zero issue with various or no slab cards in my collection. Beautiful cards for sure!

[@adamscardcloset9020]

Hmm 🤔 done watch and commented on this video before. Great cards Mike . Like those 71’s

[@dljtwo]

This is an awesome video, thank you for sharing. I recently returned to the hobby after leaving in '92 and it's amazing how much it's changed from the hobby I once loved. I recently sent off my first card for PSA to grade and have to say that I'm worried about their assessment of it. (2024 Vintage Stock of Jung Hoo Lee) This video has really made me reconsider sending off some cards to SGC now, especially with the corporate changes that have taken place. I've heard so many horror stories about PSA weilding their grading hammer negatively and holding collectors' fates in their hands. But the sad part is that consumers created the monster they love to complain about because they continue to fuel it, even with its faults.

[@mikepinch]

Great cards. I took submitted cards at national and got them back today. Amazing service and great grading. The PSA premium on resale is a myth if they refuse to grade 1/4 of your cards, ha!

[@sasha.robertson]

That Roger 5 is awesome looking!

[@cales_cards]

I love how Ty from chasing cardboard calls them tuxedos for your cards! Great video Mike!

[@BaseballCollector]

@@cales_cards thanks Cale

[@mikepalena3900]

Love this Mike! SGC saves the day hahaha

[@mookz34]

Those 71 Topps look sharp in an SGC holder.

[@davidtrianni5763]

The inconsistency of PSA grades has kept me away from sending any cards to them. I’ve always sent to SGC and will continue that. Great video Mike!

[@LeeCopus]

PSA owns SGC.

[@davidtrianni5763]

@@LeeCopus that doesn’t matter in regards to grading. SGC is more consistent. .

[@halfcenturycollectingcards]

Having opened a '71 vending box that came from Larry Frisch, there were quite a few cards that came out a little smaller in width right out of the box. So its good to know SGC is tolerant to that if its just the way they were made. Hopefully they can tell the difference if it was trimmed-- I'm guessing most of the time they can. Thanks for showing!

[@tv-rx7ti]

I prefer the PSA slab for most cards and it commands more but SGC price and turn around cannot be beat. I think the older smaller, square and tobacco cards look a lot better in sgc. SGC also wins in consistency

[@hangloosecards]

This makes me feel so much better. I just got a psa graded mantle min size and this gives me some confidence when i send it to SGC

[@BaseballCollector]

You absolutely should give it a try.

[@deadlyredly]

Great video! This video should be mandatory for all collectors and to everyone who submits to graders.

[@Monsiemage]

I've just recently started sending cards off to get graded and honestly after spending a couple years in my LCS to me it would have to be a pretty big card to send over to PSA. I've bought so many 9's and 10's of marketable players for lower or right at the cost of raw plus grading. I just took advantage of SGC's chrome special, and I plan on checking in for whatever special they have and getting my cards graded that way. Money talks and on a big card PSA will always get you that extra 20%, however according to my LCS owner he's seen months where cards are 8's or 9's and come back slabbed as 10's and months where cards are 10's and slabbed 8's or 9's. SGC seems to be more consistent I feel like if you cracked a slab it would never come back more than a half grade higher or lower, I've bought some PSA 9's that I thought should actually be 7's. At the end of the day people really dislike SGC over a lot of cards coming back 9.5. SGC does also have the "pristine" 10 rating that if given on cards could skyrocket the value but i've done pop searches on some entire products that never produced a pristine 10 so it's honestly not a selling point for them. I'm just happy to get my cards that are not super high in value in a slab at a good price and SGC can do that, also I feel like even if SGC gives my card a 9.5 if that player ends up skyrocketing in value I feel as I could crack that slab, send it to PSA and get a 10. In all the sports card pages I follow people tend to really like getting the vintage stuff slabbed by SGC, I think this video is pretty telling of why, seems like PSA is kind of scared to slab some of the cards.

[@jchcollins]

I totally support your right to collect as you please and do the majority of your business with the grader you please, but this video is a good illustration of the continual lock that PSA has on people, and why nothing came of slabgate, etc. back during the pandemic. They are wildly inconsistent graders and have been for some time now. The min sizes in particular are asinine. Here’s hoping that Collectors can at some point inject some consistency back into the process now that they own both entities. Great cards, Mike!

[@robdemare8250]

Of course SGC is the best in vintage grading. There is no question about that, I’ve never had a grade issued by SGCthat I didn’t think was fair or consistent.

[@BaseballCollector]

Fair points.

[@apebitmusic83]

I truly think PSA just rejects more cards to make themselves seem more critical and professional, but really they’re just calling out false positives 99% of the time

[@BaseballCollector]

Interesting theory.

[@beansballcardblog]

I would say the 1971 Munson is THE iconic catcher card. None surpasses it because of the image and card design.

[@KevinKauffman-fz8gd]

Excellent video! Seems the hobby is realizing SGC provides better customer service, consistent grading etc. My hobby friends are switching from PSA to SGC.

[@Vintage_Dave_T]

Wondering. When you got the min size required back from PSA did you not measure the cards and see if they were the size of the rest the cards you have for that year? Even if PSA thought they were min size, why wouldn’t they label them authentic?

[@EverydayCardCollector-Jason]

Congrats on a great return Mike! I collect everything, but if given the choice I use SGC for my vintage baseball.

[@sisterraysbrother]

playing devil's advocate.. PSA has changed the appearance of their slabs like 10 times so if one sticks to PSA alone, they already have a Frankenstein collection.

[@iconic_baseball]

Mike, I gotta say you have balls of steel for submitting these cards WITH thier PSA rejection labels. Bravo and congrats sir! 😂 👏

[@lovetruth1776]

Praying for your conversion, Mike! 🙏😏 Perhaps an SGC project is in your future 😁

[@jamesmcferran4938]

PSA has not treated my cards pre1960 very well as of late. Thank goodness for SGC as a viable alternative

[@ronaldkastner5186]

Great video Mike. It does beg the question of Who's right? Obviously especially on some of yours someone is right someone is wrong. Maybe keep the experiment going and send a couple to a third company. If it were me I'd probably not send the minsizereq, but some of the other ones would really spark more discussion. Just a thought.

[@vintagesanctuary]

Mike, WOW! Amazing how so many "min size" or other reason PSA rejects received love from SGC! 🤯🤯🤯 Awesome reveal! 😊👊

[@BaseballCollector]

I can't say that I am really that surprised Adam.

[@dougcoleman2399]

I still buy PSA at times but have mostly switched. All the rejection labels are BS. Seems to happen every submission. My intuition tells me it’s a game for them to put up a fake facade and continue to cover up the scandal with trimmers when they helped create and fabricate high grade vintage slabs. Quite a smoke screen to reject cards as “trimmed” or “min size” even though they aren’t to help authenticate and distract the ones that actually were trimmed and knowingly or unknowingly made their way into PSA slabs.

[@islandcardcollector]

Awesome Mike! I've been anxiously waiting for this video. Great lesson for all to take the chance with their PSA rejects. Awesome job SGC!

[@BaseballCollector]

Glad it was helpful!

[@highpointer]

I've pondered if a merge of the set registry may eventually happen. In coins for example, you can add PCGS coins to your NGC registry. Granted like you I prefer one slab type but sometimes it just isn't feasible. Anyhow, seems possible now that the companies are under the same umbrella.

[@ClementeCollector]

I ❤ SGC and you look damn good in that hat 😂

[@PiscatawayMike]

You like what you like!The way it should be for every collector!

[@sneakyquick]

I like their slabs I admit.

[@brutusonbaseball]

Agree that SGC is the best and has been for a couple years now...but it's so hard to let go of that set registry hook

[@BaseballCollector]

So true.

[@billyballgamesportscards]

Great cards Mike congrats! It's good to see most of them graded numerically.

[@breakingmania8927]

With SGC you don’t have to worry about pop control. You get the actual grade

[@Mr221BakerStreet]

How is the staubach min sized? The garrison looked smaller in the holder, like there was more of a gap from the top border of the card to the black of the holder.

[@cryptonite8495]

So is PSA out to lunch on those min sizes and miscuts, or is SGC really lax on those?

[@lovetruth1776]

My SGC order from the National is still under Received status. I turned mine in Thursday. Glad they helped you out so much more than PSA

[@jimfalkler9361]

Hi Mike. Thank you for showing the grades that you received from SGC. The cards look great.

[@BaseballCollector]

You bet Jim.

[@jamesadams8207]

I totally agree with your opinion. I don't like the SGC slabs. They are big and bulky, which makes storing them bulky as well....especially when you have many thousands of slabs. And as you know, nothing beats the PSA Registry.

[@Toppstraded13]

I remember an episode of chasing where Ty brought psa a 49 Bowman Paige and they said they never seen one before… I’m not entirely sure psa knows anything about vintage. I get the set registry tho

[@BaseballCollector]

The registry has me totally hooked. I just own it.

[@robertlanham7830]

I’m interested in the 53 Bowman Hodges if it’s still available.

[@crazykev6491]

I think cards with white/light borders look really good in SGC no matter how old..

[@johnmurray6690]

Great video! As a Collector I need another grading co besides PSA👍🏻. Will say TAG looks the best!!

[@Kbunk_Youth_Football_Wrestling]

As I've acquired more and more slabs I've started to appreciate how much smaller and easy to store PSA slabs are. I like the look of SGC slabs, but I wish they could reduce the bulkiness of them a bit.

[@BaseballCollector]

I totally agree with you on that.

[@TJ_Is_Online]

Thanks posting this video Mike. My 2 cents. I also like the PSA slab itself better than SGC in terms of looks & fit. However, I learned to throw slab aesthetics out of the window. Grading the card “properly” is most important . PSA needs to train their graders better & stop letting their card guarantee influence the final grade.

[@backtothecardboard]

Crazy the difference in grading between the 2 companies. Which is the same company now right?

[@peterb4871]

Wow, speechless is such a big difference in grades

[@jbux8225]

I believe that PSA is in such fear of the COVID backlog again, they look for any easy reason to reject and move on.

[@apebitmusic83]

How is that Brooks Robinson miscut? Would have been nice to see the back

[@tommayrant2279]

Stellar SGC order!!!

[@markholmes6523]

That's the question, though, right? Is PSA right or SGC, right?

[@CRTSportscards]

SGC is the best!

[@Redneckclector]

At the National I dropped off a 53 Topps Yogi to Sgc,that Psa said had color added. This gives me hope! Thanks for the experiment!

[@BaseballCollector]

You are welcome. Good luck with the Yogi.

[@Kbunk_Youth_Football_Wrestling]

The biggest reason why SGC looks better with some cards....it's the non-standard sized cards. They make the black plastic in the various sizes of the cards and it frames them much better then PSA's method of just putting them in a sleeve.

[@BaseballCollector]

That is a good point.

[@cales_cards]

Walt garrison! He was a cowboy, college and pro! Also nice Nolan’s!

[@SconnieTradition]

This was a fun video. Thank you for making it to show the disparity. I'm not sure what to think about it. It's like PSA almost needs to meet a certain rejection quota and they just randomly selected those cards. Just bizarre because many of those cards you just likely wouldn't trim or recolor. The min size would be a manufacturing thing so not sure why two companies would have different tolerances there. There should only be one right answer, lol. I recently got a PSA DNA sub back from Garrett where one of my cards was deemed ?auth for the auto. I find that highly unlikely to believe and will probably take another shot with it. Grading is imperfect but its still the best system we've got.

[@jpcards]

Wow. It kind of became comical once you showed the '68 Mantle result. The second Bunning and the Traynor (not to mention the Staubach) were some serious icing on like a 12-layer cake. Sure, those '71s look a tad narrow in the tuxes, but SGC has earned the trust in terms of variances/peculiarities of set years. Awesome results!

[@breakingmania8927]

The vintage “department” is awful at PSA. 1 card due July 26 just now got to grading. Way past the 20 business day I paid for. They have the worst service.

[@warrendinCLE]

Funny how it all works out in grading . I'm still and always will be an SGC guy. I do own PSA slabs and happy to have them . Thanks for sharing Mike!

[@ezekielsportmemorabilia7939]

Will you consider of doing a crossover to PSA.

[@ChannelPerl]

I recently sent a 1950 bowman Ted Williams to PSA that was blatantly min size and it came back a 3. I was only sending it to get it slabbed as authentic. As it was, the card has no business grading higher than a 2 if it even deserved a number grade. I have also resubmitted SGC cards that got authentic including a 71 Ryan that came back a 6.5. Not really against grading but it’s not consistent at all as long as human beings are grading the cards. They have no interest in consistency either. They just want to turn the cards around as fast as they can.

[@richdoll8898]

They look great!

[@jonfishmacon]

cgc and tag look the best

[@mackeymintle66]

13:22 😂 Ozempic advertising?

[@Borealis1971]

Do you agree with SGC or PSA on the grades/opinions?

[@danshuntingforcollectibles5681]

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone says that PSA is the top of the line. I've seen them grade amazing shape cards really bad, I've seen cards that the people sent in with nothing wrong with them and when they hot the cards back, they had creases and bad corners. I have PSA cards but, ill go with SGC with anything I'm going to get graded.

[@BaseballCollector]

I totally get why people love SGC. They do a great job.

[@stevemyers2601]

I assume sgc has more experience grading vintage cards

[@marshallkahn3342]

So what are you saying about that validity of grading.....I think it speaks volumes

[@RipFan8]

Hi Mike, I actually do like the look of vintage in a SGC slab, except for the 71 Topps. That is because of black borders. Talk soon pal

[@rj-vj8gr]

for PS, I'd put everything in sgc slab cheaper to grade for the pc.

[@meduell]

I made a big basketball submission at the National and got them back today. $12 per card for their special!

[@BaseballCollector]

That is a heckuva deal.

[@zachpierce641]

Does it worry you that PSA is actually correct and it is min size? Or is SGC just more forgiving?

[@BaseballCollector]

Don't know...don't really care. I'm not going to overthink the situation. The cards are in a slab and that is good enough for me.

[@JAMESGTERCOLLECTS2]

Congrats on the sub The PSA graders are 20 year old kids making 17.00 an hour,so you get what you pay for! I don't know why you say the slabs are butt ugly,but everyone has their own opinion They all look great in the Tux And its too late not to have a frankenstein collection,you already have one Great cards!!!

[@BaseballCollector]

Wouldn't you think the SGC graders are the same? I mean SGC isn't paying their graders $150k/year. They probably make $18/hr at SGC.

[@JAMESGTERCOLLECTS2]

No because you got the grades you did,shows they know what they are doing or maybe psa just is lazy and just want your money,psa=please send again lol😊​@BaseballCollector

[@JunkWaxHero]

Really interesting reveal! And nicely presented by you

[@steveb.5832]

The question is - does either company invest in market research and truly care that this lack of parody and consistency exists over a commodity that doesn’t change before your eyes. Or, do they believe these differences are what actually create market drivers? Both companies tend to act like they are racing to beat one another to the moon or they trade in States secrets. Explain the process and be clear.

[@jtvintage67]

You obviously do you, but I assume you waited a long time to get your cards back from psa only to find out you wasted a good chunk of change by submitting to them. If this experiment won't convert you, i guess nothing will...lol!!! That said, i absolutely love your channel and have been watching for over a year....this was the first time i felt compelled to comment. Love the showcase showdown with Chris from Missouri and play along on the big cards like Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Gehrig, etc....all of that said, i would be interested in purchasing your 53 Bowman Hodges if it isn't already sold. Appreciate you!! Kindest Regards, JT

[@BaseballCollector]

Thanks for finally commenting JT. The Hodges hasn't sold and my plan is to send it to Greg Morris, but if you send me an email then I would consider an offer. My email is gonzaleznut @hotmail.com. No spaces.

[@jtvintage67]

Hi Mike...sent you an email this morning regarding the Hodges....did you get it? If not, maybe check spam. Let me know. Kindest Regards JT

[@BaseballCollector]

@@jtvintage67 I got it. Will respond tomorrow. Had a busy day today

[@RobCashCards]

I’m interested in the Munson and Simmons if you’re selling. Great returns from SGC!

[@BaseballCollector]

I am selling them but they are going to Greg Morris.

[@RobCashCards]

@@BaseballCollector Thanks for responding! I hope you do good. Take care!

[@TamTranTriZzle]

SGC is owned by PSA, so they essentially are the same company. So it makes no sense how a Grader at his PSA desk rejects a card, yet acrossthe hallway, a Grader at his SGC desk, accepts the card. That makes absolutely no sense to me. I know that the announcement is that SGC is still it's "own" entity, its just that PSA owns them. But that still makes no sense, because it's STILL the same company. That is like Massage parlor Y owns Massage Parlor X, where Y is a clean Parlor and X does naughty things with middle age Portuguese men. When X is busted, then Y is going down also. Cus even tho X and Y are different rubber duckies, they still are floating in the same bathtub. Kapeesh?

[@SlipKid1975]

SGC isn’t owned by PSA. Collectors Holdings, the parent company owns both companies. Currently they still operate as separate and distinct companies as far as submissions and grading goes but that could change in the future.

[@AprilPerez-q1s]

490 Herman Harbor

[@CruzKelly-u5d]

Christiansen Plains

[@StephenSmith-ki2sj]

Card Grading has ruined card collecting. I find it funny like some of the big Ebay sellers and Whatnot sellers and Fanatics people all get mint 10 on all of their cards. So suspect of the whole grading business. No consistency and this just proves it.

[@vintageonvintage817]

I am an SGC fan myself, but I completely understand why you prefer PSA. Great to see the cards get slabbed, congrats!

[@LonelyBasementBaseballCards]

Chris was really surprised by the grades he got and you obviously got better results from SGC. PSA purposely steering vintage to SGC? Where’s my tinfoil…..

[@BaseballCollector]

Take the tinfoil hat off. I think it is as simple as different grading standards between the two companies.