REPLY to Game Theory: Who Would Win -- Samurai, Knight, or Viking? (For Honor)

[@shadiversity]

An additional thought I would like to add is this. Why is everyone assuming that horses can be dropped by an arrow so easily? I think taking out a horse with a cavalry bow would be a much, much, harder thing than everyone is assuming. A huge volley by hundreds of archers would do the job as we saw in the battle of Agincourt, but we are talking about a 1v1 scenario. The samurai would have to circle, slow (though they can still move fast, just not in a full blown gallop), and aim to shoot. I see them getting off three, maybe four shots at most against the knight before the knight closes the distance with his lance/spear as the knight would be charging at top speed. These arrows could not penetrate deep enough to hit a horse's vital organs, horses have a lot more muscle that arrows need to penetrate after all. The only way I see an arrow dropping a horse in it's tracks is a shot through the eye. At a distance while moving this is a one in a million shot. *It's not going to happen*. And though the horse might get hurt by a few arrows in it's neck or legs, as soon as that distance is closed the samurai will be run through by that mounted charge which is nearly always deadly. Jousting became a prominent sport for a reason. Would a knight risk his horse to win? Absolutely as not dying is a good trade and horses can heal. Shooting the rider strikes me as more effective than shooting the horse. I mean why was the no-dachi developed by the samurai to take out horses if arrows could do it so easily? The issue is if the rider has adequate armor to protect him from arrow fire, what then? No-dachi time, that's what! But the No-dachi didn't exist in the eleventh century. . .

[@BMMG-c6y]

Shadversity in your opinion who would win a hypothetical fight between a Vikingr and a Samurai on foot? The only reason I'm not including the knight in this question is I personally believe the Knight would have a significant advantage over both the Samurai and Vikingr in that match up. Just newly subscribed after this response video.

[@hekmoglu90]

Please make a video about mount and blade warband game.Plss Plss begging you milord its almost harvesting season.

[@Samsonsamurai]

Shadiversity please do a video with him , metatron, and skalagrim please !

[@jort93z]

i dont think horses have very high pain tolerance. they'd probably throw the knight down when they get hit from an arrow. though thats just a thought. obvioulsly i didn't test it.

[@jort93z]

i am not sure if people in the middle ages were good in breeding certain breeds of animals. i am not an expert by any means but i dont think that the horses were much better genetically.

[@freire707]

“The slower tank like knights.” *Full plated knight cartwheels toward you*

[@prosperouspantheryeet8285]

This made me chuckle aloud

[@J0hnHenrySNEEDen]

He's about to convert you into christianity

[@tarambukis-c2q]

Fun fact, full plate weighs less than a modern Soldier's equipment. :eyes:

[@michaelpapageorgious5053]

@@tarambukis-c2q makes sense, its thin sheets of metal, modern soldier equipment especially the bullet proof vest features a giant ceramic brick inside it.

[@Happyfoam-lw3yt]

Giving me some Dark Souls vibes with this post.

[@jacobhu4431]

Vikings: Nice armor you got there.... *Pulls out ancient swedish furniture* Vikings: But do you have this?

[@terner1234]

I K E A

[@gloriesnormaldude7513]

Noice

[@datdudedatdontdisco4036]

Why did I imagine some viking pulling a chair from offsceen and being like "ehhh? Ehhhhh???" With his expressions.

[@freire707]

*Pulls out ancient Swedish chair* Vikings: Parry this you fucking casual.

[@jimmynaylor1759]

Scandanavian arms and armour was a lot art for nearly a millenia. Their armour was the best of the period even in the 11th Century. The Ulfbert Swords have puzzled historian as they are so well made that it took till the industrial revolution to replicate.

[@tacolover9137]

Game theorist: *says Knights are slower than Samurai* Shadiversity: Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.

[@hampton_the_one5419]

Taco lover 44 It’s true tho

[@God-xw1nu]

@@hampton_the_one5419 15:57

[@hampton_the_one5419]

foot fetish I thought he said Knights are faster than samurai 🤣🤣 I’m so fuckin stupid thanks tho

[@ttchme9816]

Its actually wrong tho

[@ultralinguistics3083]

@@ttchme9816 No lah. I'm faster lmau

[@lovezuuu]

Knights would win regardless because ‘tis only a flesh wound.

[@fedrikrose2277]

Tis but a scratch

[@shroudthewolf1105]

@@fedrikrose2277 A scratch? Your arms off *points at your severed arm with my longsword*

[@khajiitkorner918]

@@shroudthewolf1105 no it isn't

[@shroudthewolf1105]

@@khajiitkorner918 Well what's that then *point at severed arm*

[@khajiitkorner918]

@@shroudthewolf1105 ive had worse

[@biohazard724]

For Honor style refutations: Shad = Knights, Skallagrim = Vikings, and Metatron = Samurai. With Meta's new intros alone this is gonna be fun

[@shadiversity]

There's more truth to your summaries than I first thought ^_^

[@JuanCarlos-sq4vf]

Shadiversity shad there's going to be a for honor open beta on all platforms it starts tomorrow I was wondering if you get a chance to play it,what your thoughts on the art of combat is the way they fight with 3 directions like good game mechanics but not accurate especially with all there weapons that heroes have?

[@Nerdarchy]

The amount of frenzy that talking about these 3 historical factions fighting incites is kind of historical. I think people will be arguing about their favorite band of 11th century warriors being the best indefinitely! All that aside, the actual gameplay looks frigging fantastic! -Nerdarchist Ryan

[@applejuice7847]

thats not really necessary due to the producers saying their "Art Of War" combat system is based on theatre combat (what you see at festivals)

[@guitarlearnerish]

too bad no hoplites and redcoats (or Indian swordman if ya like eastern one), otherwise lindy & matt would joined as well XD

[@ajaxtelamonian5134]

Its almost as if knights were the dominant force on the medieval battlefield for hundreds of years or something.

[@AVGyerra22]

That's because they were. Edit: I know this comment is supposed to be a joke, I just commented that for shits n giggles

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

Among their own, yes. They got their asses kicked more than once by the Muslims.

[@Gyvulys]

+@@JohnDoe-pt7ru And then they kicked muslims' arses more than once, also. Eventually kicking them so hard, the arab empires were reduced to today's middle east.

[@rahrouth]

@@Gyvulys arab empires reduced to todays middle east not by knights but by mongols and timurids. After they too passed away ottomans came to power, restored and stabilised the region. Middle east got fucked like this after ww1. The knights had no part in it

[@kingnathiii1927]

@@JohnDoe-pt7ru because they were outnumbered by a fk ton 😂😂 Each knight was much more powerfull than Muslim warriors, hence why the arrival of a batallion of 100 knights was considered important.

[@witchBoi_Connor]

MatPat entirely forgot shields existed, it’s insane.

[@TheMightyDM]

I get that you're being satirical, but this fills me with so much rage

[@unknow11712]

​@skullpull 101 Thats so triggering :D .

[@janehrahan5116]

@skullpull 101 As an actual weeb... gas those weebs

[@dioxincaddiz8166]

skullpull 101 have you not seen the matrix movies bro? a katana can cut through a car with ease never mind a european sword

[@humorlessink2660]

The thing is that the katana was not made in this time period dang it people not every Japanese sword is a katana

[@cowofbunga8054]

this guy is literally the definition of "while you were playing games, i was studying the blade"

[@TwistedTeaRex]

This comment is criminally underrated.

[@thisthing4697]

Yeah pretty much

[@michaelhamgelo3184]

if you get the reference... good job you get the reference

[@notanedgysnipermain4977]

Except he actually does study blades

[@kyfig4321]

The videos are interesting, but I can guarantee I would hate this guy in real life, literally the definition of "Um actually".

[@kafazyshorthop9909]

Honestly, I think the historical versions of Knights and Samurai are even more badass than the video game versions.

[@arranroberts1463]

Kafazy ShortHop exactly

[@spiffygonzales5899]

Mostly because they were slaughtering Peasants rather than fight each other.

[@bluerdoll3460]

and to that i agree

[@ybor363]

Viking fan boys are the same.

[@RookiemanRookie]

Historical knight armor looks 10x better than the edgy shit in For Honor.

[@AtomikRakoon]

Nobody: Shad: Full-plate knight parkour

[@lau_taro0037]

Paladin and rogue multiclass is a thing, somehow

[@ElenaAideen]

@@lau_taro0037 Vaxildan....

[@hampton_the_one5419]

Taro FATHERRRR I TEJECT MY HUMANITY JOJO

[@FraserSouris]

r/uselessnobody

[@satriosyarif8180]

@@ElenaAideen wait he's a multiclass?

[@ibexing6383]

Game Theory: “And with castles came knights” Shadiversity: NO

[@CyberMonkey03]

Ibexing I mean, it’s not wrong

[@suuryasuprapto9472]

@@CyberMonkey03 it's not correct either

[@GriziDaWiz]

Then what is it?!?!??! We have a paradox here lads.

[@daan626]

knights came with the nobles who gave their equipment to their sons.

[@SilusValeriusVT]

And Normandy came from the norse

[@coltonmacphee4683]

Samurai: The knights can never beat our arrows! Knight: *Has a shield *

[@rioulethebeats9717]

I don't know I don't think Samurai's will be tonight but it's very hard to beat a gun

[@HorizonStronghold]

@@rioulethebeats9717Yes, but remember that the samurai got their guns from the European Portuguese. Knights had guns LONG before the samurai did and they were VERY effective with them (look up the German Black Riders for an example).

[@frozenweevil4022]

You know in pop culture it seems like the medieval period was like 100 years, but it was closer to 1000. Really weird. And how much it changed in that time is insane

[@s8theninjawarrior916]

I honestly don't know where you heard that... even in pop culture its pretty well known that the medieval time lasted for 1000 years. The thing that could make you say that is the fact that most pop culture representation of the medieval time are always in the 11th or 12th century

[@s8theninjawarrior916]

I honestly don't know where you heard that... even in pop culture its pretty well known that the medieval time lasted for 1000 years. The thing that could make you say that is the fact that most pop culture representation of the medieval time are always in the 11th or 12th century

[@frozenweevil4022]

@@s8theninjawarrior916 that’s why I say it seems, kind of an impressionist painting of the medieval era timeline

[@jeffreygao3956]

And even more eventful if you extend it to European countries nobody considers like Russia, Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc. and non-European places like Japan, China, the Arabian Peninsula, Mali, Ethiopia, Pre-Columbian North America, Mesoamerica, and Pre-Colonial Australia. Who knows what sort of awesome stories were lost to time simply because Native American and Australian Aboriginal histories were dismissed unfairly?

[@gollumisahomie5671]

Samuri: I think we might win this we have horses and bows what are they gonna do *block our arrows* Knights: well yes but actually yes

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Late period gunner Samurai might stand a chance :)

[@DaWishard]

Destroyer Inazuma Well, if you are going to pick a late period Samurai who had the most advanced tech of their time, you’d have to do the same for the knights.... who had perfected armor to the point that men were tanks. Only reason we don’t use armor wasn’t used to even the 19th century is simply because the cost of armor was ridiculously expensive. Not every single foot soldier could just wear what fighter jets cost the US today (in which the us also limits the number of because of the budgetary issue... and that’s saying a lot considering nearly 40% of tax goes to the military). A knight outfitted in the most pristine and best crafted armor would laugh at a samurai before cutting them down after a carefree walk towards the samurai uselessly wasting numerous bullets. Heck, at that time knights had weaponry themselves that would take down even the best of armor the samurai had crafted before dying out.

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@DaWishard i mean, if the us has budget issues with the military.... maybe reduce it a bit more? i mean.... its quite huge

[@jeffburnham6611]

@@DaWishard the US doesn't limit the number of fighter jets it has or uses based on cost, it's limited because of the number of trained pilots (there are quite literally hundreds of aircraft in the arsenal that aren't flown because unit strength limitations and lack of pilots prevent this).

[@seandewell9319]

@@Helperbot-2000 Don't worry, that's not even remotely accurate. It's actually only around 3.5% of GDP or 15% of tax income.

[@jarenbure1415]

For some reason I feel like shadversity doesn't live in a house but a castle.

[@miazmatic7404]

Even if he did live in a house he would be sure that it had PROPER MACHICOLATIONS!

[@pyroparagon8945]

Jaren Bure nonono, a *keep* , *norman keep*

[@mikeoxlong1395]

Why, of course a Lord lives in a caste. Where else would he live, knave, with you in your knave abode?

[@piluex2]

All it takes for something to count as a castle is for it to be a fortified home.

[@UCUCUC27]

he has a castle in his back guarden

[@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429]

Common soldier: "Haha! We knocked him off his horse, there's no way he's getting up- Immediately tackled by said Knight.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

MISSERUM!

[@justguy-4630]

Granted, one of the more effective ways to dispatch knights is to knock them off their feet-not because they are too encumbered to get back up-because then they can overwhelm said knight in numbers and pick at his openings.

[@erichvondonitz5325]

"Congratulations, you turn a fast tank into a walking tank"

[@alicebrown6215]

Skall, Shad, and Metatron, the holy trinity of historical combat.

[@stevenwang5148]

Cornered Fox They are the squires and trainees.

[@LaVidaHermosa]

Steven Wang not schola.

[@R3gular]

Steven Wang so uhhh, whose the royal fools?

[@casimiriii5941]

Will Brown really no School of Historical Fencing or Schoolofgladitoria

[@samerm8657]

What about Lindybeige?! And what about Dragons? :-)

[@RedZenGaming]

lol, I love japanese culture and weapons martial arts, but I have to objectively give the edge to the knights, technology is king in war, and unfortunately Japan's isolationism was a huge source of their disadvantages.

[@randomblacktemplar738]

RedZen826 Well in the end they produce their own gun after trading with portugal and Dutch

[@garrettwood201]

@@randomblacktemplar738 And there's the key. *trade*. Isolation is not a very good cultivator of innovation.

[@DarthDionius]

Japanese isolationism didn't really kick in until much later, like, in the 17th century. They had a lot of outside influence from east Asia before this, most notably from China. So no, isolationism wasn't the source of their disadvantages, different culture was.

[@rmkarros]

​@@DarthDionius agree maine issue for japan was natural resources or lack of them (there iron was abysmal)

[@mikereese529able]

@@randomblacktemplar738 and they were superior

[@numinorian]

I would like to add a point about the origional video. In the "Death Battle" portion of the video the samurai shoots the knights horse and immediatly downs it. I am a mild archery enthusiast and a hunter. In the video, the knight and samurai are heading toward each other and the samurai shoots the horse in the chest. Horse armor was not reintroduced to europe until the 12th century, but I can assure you that a head on shot against something even as small as a deer is not a good idea due to the heavy muscle mass, bone and non vital organs. On a massive horse a head on shot would more likely anger the horse than put it down. If you look at the horses on the Bayeux tapestry the horses were smaller than the destrier developed in the 14th century, but still far from a small animal. I hope this point is helpful.

[@DJVolkner]

look, not hate bro cause i agree but that was not meant to be taken literally it was just a visual i suspect that the mounted samurai would know the advantages of their own mount.

[@fridtjofjohanolderheim6213]

DJ Volkner well yes he would, but matpat wouldn't

[@SniperGamingHD1]

Fridtjof Johan Olderheim no hate as well but MatPat isn't in the death battle. In a death battle if you have range at the beginning you can at least weaken the opponents.

[@fridtjofjohanolderheim6213]

SniperGaming HD1 yes, of course. What I meant with what I said wasn't that matpat was in the deathbattle, but he didn't take into account how hard it actually is to kill a horse, therefore simplified the battle way too much. Because of that there's a big chance that the outcome would be different than matpat thought. (and by the way! I'm not hating on matpat. I'm actually subscribed to almost all his channels,and love his content

[@DJVolkner]

and i'm not defending matpat particularly im just saying the animation had no actual weight, it meant nothing it was just a visual

[@marcotergicristiano3955]

More importantly, katanas didn't have pommels they could throw to end the knights rightly.

[@applepopapplerancher3211]

It is the ultimate flaw with the samurai, even in game.

[@crimsonf4cker653]

And they don't have my ignis

[@bakisha8564]

Katana wasn't main weapon to samurais it was bow or spear,but katanas were common

[@v0dka885]

@@bakisha8564 naginata and kanabo were used too, the kanabo being probably their best weapon, a studded club strong enough not just to break bones, but also break katanas.

[@toby1061]

Also Katans points of the blade were not very affective at piercing. They were meant for slashing. Well plate armor basically blocks almost all blade slashes.

[@badpossum440]

During the Crusades there are reports of english soldiers having 5-10 arrows stuck into their coats and still marching on.

[@RockerMarcee96]

*577 /450 Frankish* also not 5-10 but enough to be called a hedgehog or a pincushion.

[@valance10]

That’s just because they were English

[@TiyZzi]

11. Century propaganda. :)

[@gart5379]

I could see a Templar doing that

[@darkfishthedestroyer139]

all hail the gamberson!

[@Cannibal_Actual]

Metatron sent me here...Skallagrim sent me to metatron...lol

[@samreddig8819]

w3g3l same

[@JBRocky007]

Same here also

[@TheAsvarduilProject]

I had the opposite. I saw Skallagrim first. Then I found Shadiversity. Now I have to go check out Metatron. For me the circle is backwards. :/

[@BigBoss-sm9xj]

TheAsvarduilProject exactly

[@calebpoliquin4363]

Same

[@shroudthewolf1105]

Samurai: *Fires an arrow at the knight* Knight: *pulls it out like nothing* Samurai: *NANI* Knight: glad i wore my gamberson today

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Knight: *Tu es déjà mort.*

[@shroudthewolf1105]

@@MK_ULTRA420 translation?

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@shroudthewolf1105 It's French for "You're already dead." 😅😅😅

[@shroudthewolf1105]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Thanks 😁

[@hiyoritokisada594]

Knight: Thou art already dead! Samurai: Nani!?

[@leviwing8308]

knew this was gonna come lol. guessed it as soon as I finished his video. either you or skall were gonna completely refute it.

[@Dnanidref]

my bet was shad would be the first to jump on the video. but i'm loocking forwart to what the rest of the gang has to say.

[@darcksage1]

can't wait for Metatron!

[@vlanoik]

Skall will probably weigh in in a day or two, though I'd like to see Lindybeige weigh in more

[@darcksage1]

When I first saw the video from MattPat in my newsfeed I was like, ''LET'S WAIT AND SEE THE HISTORIC AND MEDIEVAL PART OF KZbin BLOW UP!'' While watching the video I was feeling like Trump, saying ''WRONG!'' At almost every damn points. lol

[@jackscott1218]

Skall's announced on FB that he's gonna light him up as well.

[@instantbeansoup]

"Knights are slow" Knights: **starts breakdancing**

[@williamp2736]

"I don't wear armour because if the gods willed it for me to die today, no armor could stop them"

[@Draculas-knight]

*Laughs in plate armor* good one 😂👍

[@thatonekid640]

If the gods are a knight rushing at them with a spear then sure

[@lemursteaks]

Silly Gauls. My gladius laughs

[@dovahkiin_brasil]

Crazy farmers are cheap, Full plate armor and horses aren't

[@anettkakuk9637]

Deus vult

[@nathanieldavis1671]

I have always said that knights were vastly underestimated when it comes to warfare and same with the Vikings. You can even say the the entertainment industry and the modern Cavalry was directly affected because of the knights. Another thing that infuriates me is that the concept of the dark age had a negative impact on technology in Europe. Don't get me started on that one.

[@Blanksmithy123]

Really?? I've always been taught that almost the entire population was uneducated during the dark ages

[@nathanieldavis1671]

@@Blanksmithy123 i hate that presumption from our academics. We live in a academics taught society. Academics have no respect for other forms of education. The medieval world were professionally taught. Much like our apprenticeships programs. They were highly educated just not by our standards. Much of our today's technology is from either Romans or fuedilsim Europe.

[@nathanieldavis1671]

Ohh i understand that this is just a general statement not 100% true with all academics, historians

[@mikereese529able]

@@nathanieldavis1671 most couldn't read, monks were the most educated by our standards and most could read and write, most books were written by them.

[@nathanieldavis1671]

Reading is not always an indication of how much knowledge you have. Today yes but back then it was profession

[@bentonknox5240]

But did the samurai have the TREBUCHET?

[@jacket6213]

You misspelt *POMMEL*

[@greehead225]

@@jacket6213 Does the Kashira (aka katana pommel) count?

[@jacket6213]

@@greehead225 *nervous Pepe face*

[@eeroi6118]

DIO DA BEST JOJO You misspelled misspelled.

[@lemursteaks]

*laughs in Ballista*

[@JacOfArts]

I can’t wait for Skall, Shad, and Metatron to be playable in For Honor

[@freddymcshreddy6586]

I can’t get that comparison out of my head now cause whenever I look at the box art of the raider, the warden and kensei side by side, I just see them now.

[@kriegundimperium8945]

Shad: Kite Shield debuffs opponent with historical corrections Skall: Nordic Sword Weakens enemies and buffs allies with armor analysis Metatron: Nodachi gets on a horse and uses his bow only using the nodachi when charging

[@YataTheFifteenth]

@@kriegundimperium8945 Shad's weapon is definitely a _pommel of mass destruction_

[@liammarek9122]

Shad: 100% samurai resistance

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Modern Shad: Armed with 100 pound warbow, kite shield, and short sword. Can fire 9 armor-piercing arrows per minute with the technique of firing from the outside of the bow. Armored with brigantine chest piece, shoulder pads, and arm guards over gambeson.

[@Xaxp]

I love this! Skallagrim does a video on Vikings, Shadiversity does a video on Knights, and Metatron does a video on Samurai!

[@blizzardboswer1654]

"Samurai quick, Knight slow" **Knight proceeds to jump and parkour the streets of europe**

[@rmg480]

Gotta love how metatron, shad, and skallgrim represent each of the factions in for honor. Does that mean matpat would be apollyon?

[@pokedouche1124]

Rich M dun dun dun I thin matpat is apollyon I mean he made a some thing which caused shad meta and skall to destroy what he has created (or repair

[@ximitify]

Only shit you just blew my mind!!!!!!!!

[@aurourus6894]

Huge sword and tin plate armor. Yea

[@MarkATorres1989]

Apollyon? Is that the same as Abaddon? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding just unsure if I'm thinking the same thing as what you mention.

[@somerandomguy6249]

Mark Torres the Abaddon you are talking about is in dota 2? or no?

[@Fezboyz]

fun fact: the modern body equipment of us troops on average weighs more than full plate armor. The more you know.

[@Morrigi192]

For foot patrols, certainly.

[@SinerAthin]

Modern troops can carry a shit-ton of miscellaneous stuff When you say body equipment, are you referring to the ammo, weapon and protection exclusively, or that + backpacks/comms/survival equipment?

[@Fezboyz]

+SinerAthin all equipment.

[@milkduds1001]

Actually, our armor is significantly lighter since we only have torso and head protection (Assuming you're comparing with the full body plate armor). Even with shoulder and groin adapters max weight would be about 40 pounds. Knights just didn't carry assault packs or ruck sacks into battle haha. Plus, all our equipment is concentrated on the shoulders, theirs is more distributed. Even then, it depends on the unit. Some allow plate carriers (Not really much lighter but a lot smaller haha). Others allow not wearing adapters (Neck, shoulder, groin, etc). Others have you wear everything... and that sucks haha.

[@trequor]

They also help stop bullets :)

[@menuradesilva1273]

i love how there are 3 youtube channel, each more versed in the different warriors.

[@bernardoheusi6146]

Now we just need two that talk about phalanxes and legions

[@majo77]

Bernardo Heusi Overly Sarcastic Productions sent me here. Try giving Blue's videos a look and see if you like what he has to say. He reeeeaally likes them Greeks.

[@p.jnoonan220]

Romans for life, Form... *TESTUDOOOOOO!!!!*

[@le_royal987]

About a specific military formation and a group of 3-6 thousand legionaries? Not sure I get the comparison, you want to see a tactic/strategy against a number? I think that you actually need to learn what a word means before you use it in conversation.

[@shawnwolf5961]

Bernardo Heusi There is the Megatron, actually.

[@OgreManGaming]

My money is still on the Viking. He’s got the best beard of anything I’ve learned is true

[@randomredpyro164]

The knights have premium mustaches though.

[@Jashcraft64]

@@randomredpyro164 You make an excellent point.

[@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411]

the reason samurai kept losing was because of their yee yee ass haircuts. If they had gotten that wavy knight hair or thick viking beard, their efficiency would've gone up drastically.

[@Anonymous-hx3pu]

@@randomredpyro164 yes, but Vikings also had that thick wavy hair

[@veewaiyawuth2063]

Introducing *the Ainu*

[@MrVoixe]

Thank fucking god someone is correcting him, this is the most disappointed i've ever been with Matpat.

[@pagwani610]

Damn it you beat me by 5 seconds. Same with disappointment though

[@TheComedicPCGamer]

watch his tf2 vs overwatch video if you wanna be disappointed

[@pagwani610]

Seen it, this was more disappointing

[@NoobsDeSroobs]

SickBangerzM9 This and the clickbait pandering livestreams.

[@pfl95]

Yea, same! MatPat is cool but he was wrong with this imo

[@anofsti]

I'm not a historian, so take this with a pinch of salt - but I am Norwegian, and more than casually interested in the subject, so I'd like to bring up a few more aspects to debunk the myth that vikings went into battle bare chested. For one, there are a lot of historical references to "brynje" armor, especially in Snorres saga of the Norwegian kings. St. Olav was wearing one when he was killed at the Battle of Stiklestad in 1030 (about 1,5 km from my house), or in more "fictional" sagas like Hrólfs Krakes saga that was written sometime in the 13th century. Due to most sagas being written a substantial amount of time after the events, these might not be accurate though - but this indicates that armor was something they knew about, and being a non-pacifist culture, likely was interested in obtaining. We do know that linen was produced in Scandinavia during the time period, so it's plausible to assume that they caught on to gambesons after fighting people with it for 300 years. Vikings existed before heavy cavalry though, so while they avoided fighting light cavalry by launching surprise attacks and using long boats to get close - the argument is kinda flawed because we don't know what tactics they might have discovered or employed if they'd been around long enough to face them. It's the same asking what roman legions would do against heavy cavalry if they faced them regularly. We don't know - but probably something clever because They Were Good At War (tm) What we do know is that every male adult in that time period was expected to be proficient and maintain their own weapon, thus we can also expect them to want to protect themselves from said weapons. It probably correlates well with the amount of people who own bulletproof vests that also owns guns. Another thing is that it's bloody Scandinavia - it's cold here, and at least most of the Norwegian vikings came from the fjords in the west - where it's cold and raining all the time. Walking around without something to protect you from the elements would lead to the viking being wet, cold and far from combat shape 11 out of 12 months of the year. We also need to remember that vikings where even more traders than raiders, and that anything you could buy around the mediterranean also were found in hands of vikings. The French king even banned selling swords to vikings eventually - probably sometime after they sieged Paris with catapults and battering rams - I think it is safe to assume that vikings also bought, or procured, armor. We do know that they fielded a 2000-4000 army in the Battle of Maldon, facing an unkown force of anglo saxons. For vikings to attempt regular warfare, I think it's safe to assume they had comparable weapons technology available. The last thing we have to consider is what defines the "Vikings" - do we also acknowledge the early Normans who were Viking settlers? Rollo, the first duke of Normandy (even though he never used that title) was a Dane or Norwegian, and it took a few generations before they were fully assimilated into continental culture. If so, we'll also assume that kite shields were not uncommon for Vikings either - especially for more permanent settlements and stationary armies as I think the classic round shield was more suited for raiding parties. Anyways - like your videos, especially the one with the gauntlet sword and the mancatcher (And I do agree that late medival knights would be better armed and armored than vikings).

[@arx3516]

Vikings used weapons and armors very similar to those used in the rest of Europe at that time.

[@tomfish3244]

Wow you wrote an essay

[@davidatkinson47]

I think the Vikings would probably adapt the technology and win, securing trade routes, conquering what is now Russia, Sicily, Normandy, and England itself, discovering lands across the ocean, etc. They say the Vikings died out in the 11th century but I'd argue that the Scandinavians simply didn't have to go raiding anymore. Because they won.

[@jimmynaylor1759]

Very well put. The Saxons of Britain in the 11th Century fought the Vikings and Normans consecutively. The armour and weapons of the Saxons and Vikings was comparable as was their tactics. The Heavy Cavalry Charge famed at Hastings did not break the Saxon Shield Wall it was the Norman infantry assaulting it who did, the Cavalry then swept in and mopped up. This is the common tactic of using cavalry that lasted until WW1. You do not push through infantry using cavalry as the infantry will hold and massacre them. Cavalry harass and flank the infantry, hit the opposing cavalry and only go after infantry when they break formation or flee. William tried 9 times to charge the Saxons and fled each time. The Saxons kept close formation and employed specialists called Huscarls to move beyond the wall and swing large axes capable of bringing down a horse. Britain was under Viking rule for nearly 2 Centuries and still has a proud Viking heritage. Harald Hadrada had the best claim to the throne in 1066 in my opinion. One thing that most people seem to forget is that Scandanavians are generally large people and were even in those days. Size does make a difference in combat.

[@renfarr3252]

This was WHY nobunaga was so, dangerous. He incorporated western European armor, and firearms and combat tactics in his army. It's what made him feared.

[@legitpainter1727]

Ren Farr yesssss, with an English samurai to tech him

[@SiriuzGrey]

@@fleckvii2403 Well, Oda was kinda of a dick...

[@fleckvii2403]

@@SiriuzGrey He was a cool dick tho lol

[@SiriuzGrey]

@@fleckvii2403 Most great leaders are.

[@fleckvii2403]

@@SiriuzGrey fair enough

[@rhysbaker7456]

When someone says that they like the person whose content they're about to talk about: *Grabs popcorn*

[@ThePlaguebringer172]

When that happens, you KNOW that they're about to basically blow everything that the original speaker said into a smoking red hot pile of disjointed letters.

[@NWolfsson]

... BUT!

[@WhereIFall]

I really like that this is a fair and sane reply to Matpat's video. I felt like I learned a lot! Great job!

[@BeutaynFlaym]

Vampirizian I know right? I love it when people attack ideas and research and NOT people.

[@nerdherd1819]

yep, sadly though, mat pat's repeat offenses make sane replies hard, especially as he break rules of logic and reason, and i try to be a patron of logic and reason

[@WhereIFall]

One thing I always have to consider is that he's making these videos for entertainment purposes. Logic helps, but entertainment is first and foremost. I can be entertained, even if I know the theory makes little to no sense. Mostly because it gets me thinking about the subject. If he wants people to be really happy with his theories, he should be a little more careful, though. Perhaps air it to a smaller test audience that can tell him if it generally makes sense? More expert opinion would be helpful too. Honestly, he could have reached out to Shadiversity or someone else for advice. Even if they didn't want to be in the video, they could have given him tips or places to go for research.

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

Let me guess, Mat Pat said that the Samurai are superior EDIT: Fucking called it.

[@b_a_z_e_dv.2.067]

Autism is Uncontrollable yup

[@theaussiebogan9680]

Autism is Uncontrollable he did. The battle went 'enter knkght and samurai. Samurai shoots knights horse, samuria shoots dtraight through knoghts chainmail. Samurai wins.'

[@nodosa994]

But Samurai are superior in real life. UNLIKE the knight in shining armor of the late 1400s, early 1500s, the Samurai have made it to the 19th century, and had French bolt action rifles, English Rifled muskets, Grand Warships, (admiral was a Samurai) and more. FOOL!

[@theaussiebogan9680]

Footman Of Lordaeron but the thing is..... they stayed because of pride. Look at the rebellion. They got slaughtered by newer gear. They got absolutely butfucked, because they would t let go of the old ways.

[@hasht5472]

Footman Of Lordaeron I don't remember a world spanning japanese empire...

[@abucket14]

i know im late to the party as ive only discovered Shadiversity two months ago, but i feel this was the most polite correction of Matpat ive ever seen.

[@wheniwasfuckingmydogmycatc6322]

Yes

[@trashbomb]

abucket14 mossbags was pretty polite

[@sebastianb.3978]

@@trashbomb Skall and Metatron as well

[@thecollector4332]

abucket14 MangaKamen was quite polite yet MatPat dismissed him as “a hater” undermining the fact that he completely debunked one of his most popular theories. God I really dislike his attitude.

[@abucket14]

@@thecollector4332 this i did not know. i personally like Game theory as a show and like their side stuff like GTLive, but that being said i don't like Matpat's uncritizicable ego. (also i have no clue who Mossbags, Skall, Metatron, or Mangakamen are so forgive me for not replying to anyone else about the subject-matter.)

[@The_Daily_Tomato]

Northern European here. I do find this comparison odd. You take the Knight, a dedicated soldier and compare him with the Samurai, another dedicated soldier and then you compare them to the Viking......... Not to disrespect my ancestors but a Viking was a person going on a Viking or Raid. Some of them were dedicated soldiers no doubt but it's a bit generalized since a lot of them were merely seasonal fighters with limited equipment and experience. Maybe the more correct wording would be. Knight, Samurai and......Blátönns bodyguards? ;)

[@theshadowling1]

Maybe a Jomsviking. Professional mercenary viking.

[@jiraffe9600]

Well he compared those three because those three are the ones in for honor.

[@TrevorianTheTemplar]

Haha knights go brrrrrrrrr

[@LordCaric]

Agree with this. Jarls had men close to them who were loyal and swore fealty, just as a knight did. They were given gifts and paid well, including mail and swords. They would be a accurate equivalent to a Knight or Samurai, not the average raider. The average Viking would be equivalent to a lord's local militia pulled from the commoners.

[@mosquitoman5899]

@@LordCaric so the vikings and these bodyguarda were the equivalent for ashigarus to samurais? Also you can't compare the samurais as well, they were horse archers!

[@andrewormrod1931]

Knights had Pommels, GG Samurai, argument over.

[@ciernselar6549]

A pommel does not a victory make

[@lqserbeans3515]

all the knight has to do to win is throw a pommel at the samurai to *end him rightly*

[@Cutie_Oni]

wintone DEUS VULT

[@dj11o9er]

Fellow Warden Mains! Ready your throwing arms and pommel pouches! It is time. To *END THEM RIGHTLY!*

[@diavolos519]

Black Jack even if you were right let's say the samurai and knight did fight, all that skill is sure going to pay off when they swing their heavy katana and not even hurt the knight. That knight will crush the samurai in almost every fashion

[@RKNGL]

I was hoping videos would be made about this. My comment is one of the top rated on his video for this reasoning: "Vikings had mailed armor and very functional shields. After many test were done and mainly by people trying to answer this question it was proven the katana nor the Japanese bow could pierce chainmail this was mainly because the katana and bow were designed to kill light or unarmored foes and had little to no armor penetration, when knights and vikings had weapons very proficient at penetrating armor. The fact that the knight would have also had a mailed horse Oslo seemingly slipped your mind, or that vikings successfully raided and captured walled cities like when they took over much of the land in the British Isles, or laid siege to multiple large cities in modern day France. Why did you pick the richest of Samurai but not the richest of knights (or even average one for the time) it actually seems like you just picked an average armored European foot soldier, and vikings that sounded like they were out of the starting days of the viking era, centuries before, when they were inexperienced and untested? Really? You claimed you wanted to stick to the time period but one of many examples shown that knights were using halberds which are from the 14th-15th centuries not the 11th century as claimed. There are an unbelievable number of critical flaws in this video and this fight was not given the justice it deserved it seemed liked a rushed product likely because this is sponsored content. I hope to see a less bias video from you in the future."

[@Spamhard]

I think a constant bombardment of media stereotypes has swayed a lot of us on how we view these varying warriors. Thanks to films when I think of samurai I immediately think fast and agile, and knights as slow and cumbersome. I know it's not at all accurate but media has given me so many visual references of this that it's what my brain automatically pictures. I feel like Matpat might have confused this mental imagery as realism. Glad to see yourself, Skall, Met and others making really informative videos countering this game theory.

[@frankg2790]

People may say that the Media 's job is to "educate and inform", but what is the point of entertaining and informing an audience that has fallen asleep or left the theater?

[@Spamhard]

I mean, a lot of media doesn't really inform, it just entertains. Most films, TV and games don't tend to be too historically accurate, favouring imagery and entertainment value over what's actually true. I can understand why they do it, it's just up to us to remember that what we see is for fun and not for education.

[@alexd5246]

No shit . 🙄

[@d.n5287]

Spam When I think Knights I see fun musicals and debating of air velocities of European and African swallows as well as falling into pits after failing questions

[@dudeistpreist5721]

Spam I think of Monty python and the black knight. Anyone else?

[@coltonmacphee4683]

Samurai: Bro I am way faster! Knight: *Cartwheels at the samurai *

[@rruzgarr97]

Thanks for destroying the argument instead of attacking matpat's persona. Also thanks for spreading the truth. Wish people who have watched your video (not all of them) were as mature as you are.

[@exm3266]

This is a good video. I saw a lot of negative feedback on the theory and Reddit, which is natural, but a lot of people were very hostile and aggressive about it. I glad to see someone have some well thought out criticism against the theory.

[@exm3266]

The comments in this video though...ehhhh not so much again.

[@storyspittinseb]

People, and especially "Fans" are pure Evil. People get offended so easily and dont know how to discuss without insulting each other.

[@BadyBadBoy]

Well... that's the problem with the Internet. Everyone speaks their crazy mind without considering that people actually read those comments. I was actually pretty shocked while watching MatPats video about this topic and some points actually angered me. For example that Vikings had no armor at all and Knightarmor is as good as butter in the face of arrows, or the fact that shields played no role whatsoever. But the reception that video got were quite shocking. Constructive criticism and pointing out what's wrong with the video are fine and all... but some really let themselves go. It's no wonder how depressed he was with the W.D. Gaster video that came out a few days earlier. The average KZbin comment section is really hard to swallow.

[@joshholmberg2346]

Nick den dunnen nice spelling bro

[@granthagen2996]

Make death to misinformation into a shirt

[@Dragunov212]

I support this idea

[@kylescoolclips]

I also support this idea

[@notsae66]

I further support this idea.

[@kylescoolclips]

@@notsae66 Yay XD

[@wheniwasfuckingmydogmycatc6322]

I also suppport support this idea supportedly.

[@NWolfsson]

Shad: ... KITE SHIELD! Me: Yes, this is truely a Shadiversity video, his waifu entered.

[@Lampost_Binbag_Official]

it is his waifu huh

[@ollie1704]

Misinformed person: but shad a katana can cut through any thing because the way their made makes them really sharp. Shad: ahhhhhhhhhhh

[@lowkeyarki7091]

As much as I love Katanas even I know they can't cut chainmail.

[@jacobheaton5135]

@@lowkeyarki7091 but what if I scream really loud when I do it

[@kagathal]

@@jacobheaton5135 They say bullshitting is easier when you are louder.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

bUT FoLdeD SteAl.

[@haawkler3241]

@@an8strengthkobold360 But ThAt'S jUsT iRoN

[@MartyWoodcock]

Wouldn't the knight just lob the pommel at the Samurai and end the rightly?

[@thonex8787]

well nope O.o lets take a knight with 1 year experience in constant war against a samurai with 10 years of experience in war, the samurai would be better at addepting to the fighting style of the knight so he would not get near to the pommel lol, even if he would not get through to the full plate (since he has no heavy weaponary at hand" he would try to wear the night out (heavy armore needs more stamina) and kill him after that. on the other hand a if the experiences switch, the night would probably not even need to go in as far as to pommel the samurai, more experience means better movements and descision making, the fight would end in the knight preserving his stamina and taking every error the samurai makes therefore taking his life rather fast. it depends on the situation, environment and equipment as well, if it was a large scale battle on an open field with charging knights wearing chainmail they would most probably falter in front of the ranged attacks of the samurai, at the other hand if it were two small groups in a forest, full plate knights against basic equiped samurai chances are high samurai would lose. so no "just pommel and all good" XD

[@visionaeon]

Whoosh? Don't you know the Pommel is a joke here? As far as I know it all started in Skallgrim Channel.

[@lolp9209]

@@thonex8787 1: you missed an obvious joke 2: why do they have to have such a disparity in experience? If you want to compare them then they should have similar experience. 3: your theory of the samurai wearing out the knight realistically requires the samurai to have too much information. Such as, the difference in weight of their arms and armour, the physical strength of the knight and and the stamina of the knight relative to the samurai. Without all this information (and more) attempt to wear out your opponent is a terrible strategy as you could easily end up wearing yourself out first. Wearing out your opponent over time is also most likely going to take more stamina from you, and if you have to continue fighting afterwards than you would want to conserve as much stamina as possible.

[@michaellittle226]

LOL

[@namelessking8914]

So he is wrong, since it's a joke. huh? That's kinda stupid when one guy is saying seriously.

[@pandajam7]

nights sound OP, nerf them please history

[@itsoracle]

joshua marti Nights were op? Huh what the storms

[@pieterdeconinck8637]

Because they are dark and full of terrors?

[@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133]

joshua marti They didn't nerf the Knight but they did buff the cannon into a handheld weapon.

[@koffieverslaafde627]

David M. I'm lvl 100 I can drop ghengis Khan with a m4 on a motorcycle

[@NoLifeKing_0]

Lol

[@the_darkborne5440]

This is why I love Shad, the dude is so wholesome!!! Corrects the guy and recommends his channel!!! You are awesome and I know you might never see this comment (as this video is old) but, I hope you are doing well! You and your Family stay safe!!!

[@Redfield224]

Funny enough, my first thought when finishing Matpat's video? "I wonder who's going to correct this first. Shad, Skallagrim, or Metatron"

[@shadiversity]

Ha ha ha, lol, you know us well ^_^

[@beneteus3833]

metatron was faster

[@Redfield224]

...How was Metatron faster when he literally mentioned Shad's video (This video) in his own? That would be impossible.

[@beneteus3833]

ask youtube. it does shoes up earlier in my feed. i cant be fucked to find out YT algorithm anymore.

[@Kingofeurope]

You managed to sit through all of Matpat's video? You have nerves of steel, friend.

[@ScarECrow7227]

I am a huge fan of Japanese culture, and slightly prefer samurai over knights, though I love both of them. I wish I could say that the samurai would win, but you are absolutely right. I have watched Matpat's video as well as Skallagrim and Metatron's videos on the subject. I have thought about this before, and you are the only person to verbally bring up (agreeing with me) that the deciding factor of the fight is the shield.

[@evannibbe9375]

Catholic Weeaboo I think the deciding factor (which also is in favor of the Knights) is that war was a yearly exercise in dark/middle age Europe, so they had to continually upgrade their arms and armor faster than Samurai.

[@kuricosmos]

@@evannibbe9375 Samurai were also in the same circumstances that you mentioned Knights were in. If the Knights had any real advantage, I'd argue it'd be the shield like Shadi states but even then, circumstances, tactics etc may throw that out the window. Especially as the Yumi is quite powerful and one does not need to put the horse down completely to unhorse someone.

[@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121]

Catholic Weeaboo Ew, filthy weaboo!

[@tapioperala3010]

Thank you so very much for this video, Shadiversity! And to you, Skallagrim, for your input! And to you, Metatron, for you input! Three awesome Tubers!

[@NatureShy]

Tapio perälä Lindybeige too.

[@armorpiercing3277]

Me: having studdied Vikings (And Pirates) since I was 6, practically crying over how bad MatPat butchered my boi's

[@flokistormborn4599]

Yes but what he neglected to mention was Vikings main strength is they were Superior sailors and I shot both Yumi bow and a viking longbow the Viking bow that I shot was 90 lb of draw weight compared to the Yume which was only 40 lb you also have to remember there is a considerable difference in strength and height when it comes to the difference between Vikings and Samurai average Vikings in those days would have been 5 ft 9 to 6 ft tall average Samurai you're looking more in the four foot range and what's so underrated about the ax is I don't have to crush the armor I just got a crust a little f***** inside it and hold your head with pride because the world's strongest man is of Norse descent not a Frenchman not an Englishman a German or Roman sure as hell isn't a Chinese or Japanese we've got Superior builds and had the whole of Scandinavia come together instead of bickering with each other there's a good chance we could have conquered the known world

[@flokistormborn4599]

@The Anti-CHAD yes

[@Diabolicgoat]

@@flokistormborn4599 as an addendum, Thor is ONE of the worlds strongest men, currently that title belongs to the latvian Martins Licis. Thor was the 2018 strongest man.

[@fistfightersclub]

Don't worry I understand your frustration/irritation with that

[@chimerical8746]

Worst faction in the game

[@7000_Skeletons]

I seriously lost it when MattPat said Vikings wore no armour. Did he think their helmets had horns and they had thick fur coats too?

[@miazmatic7404]

Judging by the thumbnail of his video, yes he did. OR he was making sure that his braindead fanbase ABSOLUTELY KNEW that it was a viking's head in the thumbnail. Or both probably both

[@socksalt7405]

miazmatic ur an idiot he’s generally using the stereotypical Viking to allow the average viewer to see that it was in fact a Viking

[@richardconaway1687]

in a way they kind of didn't. mail armor was a luxury even in medeival europe where knights usually wore only a hauberk of the stuff, gloves, and some sort of head protection. vikings would be wearing much less mail than that, and usually their only other armor was leather or gambeson.

[@planescaped]

There was quite a bit more mail than you might realize...

[@richardconaway1687]

not really. for example while medieval knights would be wearing mail they weren't exactly most of the time wearing chain mail pants for example usually wearing a shirt, gloves, and a helmet over a chain mail coif or hood, and maybe chainmail socks. while vikings also had chainmail it was a bit of a class luxury as most couldn't afford much mail either and what mail was made was very poor quality, it had big holes in it because it used fewer and larger rings in the chains leaving plenty of room for piercing weapons to take advantage of. www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/viking_mail.htm.

[@soupsandwich685]

"death to all misinformation" is a t-shirt I would wear

[@lieutenantwalrus860]

You forgot to mention that your average samurai is 5’3

[@jeffreygao3956]

Size does not matter when you are flat on your back.

[@lieutenantwalrus860]

@@jeffreygao3956 Manlet alert

[@internetphilosopher9519]

@@jeffreygao3956 a knights armour was built for bigger men..so that means more material to protect the user meaning it would have been tougher to pierce than let's say a smaller man with slimmer armour, that whole myth about height not mattering is a myth, since knights in addition to being tall also weighed more so he would have had a huge advantage than a small samurai who weighed less and had slimmer armour....

[@ElenaAideen]

Which ironically, brings the Vikings back into contention. Almost none if these comparisons seem to take the physical characteristics of the warriors into consideration. There's a reason that combat sports divide the athletes into weight classes.

[@accelmemory]

Were the horses also short or something...?

[@elitespartnops1149]

“Best shields ever made” Romans look down from the afterlife in shame.

[@rhett5058]

They would be proud of the advancement of gear and tactics

[@privatedino3239]

It had the magical power to turn your soldiers into invincible turtle

[@jay15951]

god I hope matpats does a follow-up video in response to this :)

[@theaussiebogan9680]

Jay15951 lets link it to his video to show people

[@Damienx247]

He rarely does, no matter how much evidence to the contrary is leveled against him in the commentary.

[@demacry]

I stopped following him years ago when he was a much smaller channel because i tried pointing out a lot of errors he made concerning Japanese culture in a video and he actually responded telling me how much he didn't care and how it wasn't important to him if he was wrong. I haven't checked in on his channel in a long while but it's disappointing to read he still has that attitude even now that his channel is so much larger.

[@gildedgaming2954]

are u talking about matpat or shad ?

[@theaussiebogan9680]

Gilded Gaming matpat

[@vetren23]

Just watched the game theory, I thought he had made some errors myself so I looked up replies on youtube, and have since discovered, Shad, Metaron and Skalligrim, Goodbye life.

[@VoltieBird]

I think the big misconception about katanas comes from the iaijutsu, or fast-draw technique, that samurai learned in order to defend themselves against assassins while in ceremonial attire. A samurai would practice for weeks on end the quickest way to draw a katana into a blocking position to prevent a knife or farming tool from embedding itself in his chest. But this wasn't an offensive technique, and once drawn the katana's weight would no longer be supported primarily by the sheath, making it far heavier and slower to move or stop.

[@flyingpotato8627]

All weebs believe that everything that Japan makes is a supreme force, not really surprising at this point.

[@rdes32d45]

I hate weebs who say if you ever watched anime you’re a weeb. Its like saying if you ever held a knife you are a swordsman.

[@flyingpotato8627]

@@rdes32d45 Who said that in the first place? I mean, is right, but I didn't say that MatPat is a weeb for watching one anime. I really doubt that that he has watched only one.

[@rdes32d45]

ayyy lmao no not matpat. Some irritating anime channels says it and theyre fanbase.

[@flyingpotato8627]

@@rdes32d45 But towards who then? To Shad? Or in general?

[@rdes32d45]

ayyy lmao they say like if you watch anime you are a weeb towards everybody

[@forestelfranger]

Did Mat just make it sound like the samurai armor was magically?

[@EzioDeCreeper]

Forest elfranger how's that a new thing on the interner ?

[@BarbikaPahor]

you claim it was not?

[@alexandersokolnik1596]

you claim it can stop pommels? #spreadthecancer

[@EzioDeCreeper]

Nothing can stop the "end him rightly" combo strike ! I'm pretty sure thats why guns were invented in the first place. Because bullets are like miniature pommels being thrown. #cancerfuckyeah

[@alexandersokolnik1596]

Shit, I have not thought about it.

[@sparhelt718]

And another thing that Matpat mentioned, is that the samurai can easily shoot the knight with an arrow, but multiple tests have shown that riveted mail cannot be penetrated by arrows, not even from a close distance.

[@karoljones7455]

There are accounts of yeoman stating that their arrows would only stun knights in chainmail, not pierce or kill.

[@seandewell9319]

@@karoljones7455 Which funny enough is exactly what they wanted. Knights would fetch a handsome ransom.

[@harmonicarchipelgo9351]

Very much depends on the bow in question. I have seen riveted mail and gamberson deeply penetrated by a 160 lbs longbow from 25 meters. Of course, lower poundage bows can be stopped by gamberson alone.

[@erupter76500]

@@harmonicarchipelgo9351 you're out of your mind if you think you're shooting a 160 pound bow from horse back.

[@harmonicarchipelgo9351]

@@erupter76500 most yumi (Samurai bows) were "3-5 men" bows, i.e. it took 3 to 5 men (depending on the bow) to string it. This translates to about 70-200 lbs drawweight, very similar to English longbow. You may be right that the heavier bows may have been primarily fired after dismounting, I have no idea how riding a horse affects how much you can pull.

[@woodslore8537]

my kids went to the library today to get some books. one book they brought home was all about vikings and Normans. it covers the fact they wore mail and some believe padded gambeson. it also covers the same thing about where the word knight came from when it talks about the Normans. guess mat should have picked up a children's book and would have learned something.

[@hippoblob1371]

Woods Lore you have children and you're this triggered? Lol

[@meatvortexgaming7134]

Woods Lore I'm in 5th grade and I've seen a book for the knights that said how affective they're armor was and how they were against the Vikings

[@grimaldus1523]

Plus during Harald hadradas conquest of england, he lost becasue his army was ambushed at nighttime while his troops were sleeping so they did not have enough time to put on their armour.

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

the OP is not triggered. he's just being brutally to the point.

[@IPromiseTomorrow]

Hippo Blob he's not triggered mate . Read again.

[@philosiraptorjr4912]

Samurai: “I will win any conflict!” Knight: “Aww, so cute”

[@Lampost_Binbag_Official]

its a bit like comparing the Wither with the Ender Dragon from Minecraft: the Ender Dragon appears stronger, however the Wither has more health.

[@Anonymous-hx3pu]

@@Lampost_Binbag_Official and the ender dragon is almost impossible to hit while flying around, and the wither just kind of follows you while shooting at you.

[@Lampost_Binbag_Official]

@@Anonymous-hx3pu yea but the wither can heal everywhere at almost any time while the dragon cant if you punch a few rocks

[@Anonymous-hx3pu]

@@Lampost_Binbag_Official yes, but with the ender dragon if you die you can just go back to the end, a wither can and will destroy your bed if it's nearby, thus making it almost impossible to find again unless you spawned it right next to the world spawn

[@Lampost_Binbag_Official]

@@Anonymous-hx3pu my point is that the dragon seems harder to beat, but is easier than the wither, and you just helped prove my point

[@thetruegoldenknight]

"DEATH TO ALL MISINFORMATION!" That I can get behind.

[@dootless3819]

Bow chicka bow wo-oah wait! No!

[@Brewing5torm]

Damn shad, you're fast

[@fanboy4142]

That's what his ex said.....sorry

[@CremeCheesus]

FanBoy *Slow, unimpressed clapping proceeds*

[@3l_Raro]

Actually

[@CT--hp1vo]

Twas what she proclaimed!

[@weepingangel2384]

You forgot that you can throw your pommel at the enemy

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

To end him rightly.

[@IvoryTower779]

Just carry a bag of pommels on you, and just Huck them at your opponents on the battlefield who needs a blade

[@ZRob23523]

Make sure to replace it to keep your weapon balanced.

[@dejaquejarmeunrato686]

@@NeiasaurusCreations man of culture

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@dejaquejarmeunrato686 Fact.

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Even as an Asian myself, I gotta hand the victory in this match up over to you Westerners. The practicality in Western armaments is undeniably high and it's hard to dispute over something that has been proven to work.

[@kreatona4219]

I also feel that the Japanese were at an inherent disadvantage due to there natural resources. Europeans, just by virtue of having far more land, had access to better grade materials

[@James35142]

@@kreatona4219 And Japan is basically an iron dead zone.

[@finnish_hunter]

Yeah and Samurai swords and normal one or two handed swords are so different that you shouldn't really compare them, the katana for example were used for slashing the enemies arteries, like armpits, throats, thighs and behind your knee and that wouldn't work against a knight. Knights didn't even use swords against other knights, they used mauls or warhammers to cause blunt damage to the armor and breaking bones in the process. The japanese never used mauls and such so they would technically lose.

[@landrylongacre6391]

@@finnish_hunter I mean the Japanese did have Kanabo which is basically large baseball bats but with studs in them, but I don’t think they used em much for actual fighting and the things are more associated with Oni than actual samurai…

[@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821]

I mean 3/4ths of western history can be summed up as "and then a war broke out"

[@Cory_Dora]

I am by no means an expert but just putting a thought out there. Also, wouldnt an experienced European knight also have more experience fighting different styles of armies then Samurai? Samurai mostly fought other clans with the same armor and techniques as their own, unlike knights which had to adapt to all kinds of different fighting styles across Europe and the Middle east and Asia. Please correct if I’m wrong on this front.

[@Burn_Angel]

The japanese were fighting each other for a long period of time, but that didn't stop them from engaging effectively against unknown fighting styles; it only made them perfectionate their own fighting style. Take, for example, the japanese invasion of Korea (not the most recent one). They utterly destroyed them on land, no doubt. They only lost because, since they fought mainly on land, their ships were crap, specially compared to the korean sea units, people that were accostumed to being attacked constantly by pirates. So, they were too specialized on land war, if the japanese were to use that to their advantage, it wouldn't suppose a problem, unless they fought coast countries or islands, like England or Italy. Of course, the europeans had their stuff too, but my brain kind of died after writing all of that, lol.

[@Malohdek]

@@Burn_Angel I'd also like to point out that Japan didn't lose because of an inferior navy, they lost because two typhoons decided to show up as soon as Japan tried to invade both times. Also, these clans might have different fighting styles, but they wouldn't contrast nearly as much as say; A Christian knight and a Muslim soldier, or a viking and a Saxon soldier. Given that equipment would be generally the same, the actual fighting styles literally could not contrast as much given the use case.

[@Burn_Angel]

@@Malohdek Fair enough.

[@henry7703]

@@Malohdek other way around, the Mongols tryd to invade Japan two times but typhoon destroyed the Mongolian navy... Both times!

[@Malohdek]

@@henry7703 Ah yes. I was remembering incorrectly.

[@wd3185]

Wow. You, sir, have earned both my respect and a new subscriber. Good on you for pointing out his mistakes but not hating on him or thinking any less of him. Thank you for having humanity!

[@TerryProthero]

@Wendigo Dragon Shad really showed some class there. I liked how he handled it as well.

[@Talcor]

Went from Skallagrim, to metatron to now shadiversity. i'm working my way backwards through these debunks lol.

[@abekane7038]

I started with Skal, came here and now on to have the metatron spread his wings

[@rakushun121]

Talcor ™ same here now I'm going to gnogging don't know if I spelled it right so sorry if I didn't

[@dylanspence3874]

same here

[@treyshipman1357]

Talcor ™ Same.

[@MarkATorres1989]

Skallagrim, Shadiversity, and then Metatron. So yeah I was going about the world in an odd journey way sort of.

[@timmebouwmeester9026]

Nah, all wrong.The Jedi would definately win.

[@chockyglocky0577]

Timme Bouwmeester imma have to go with the sith on this one

[@salmanmahyuddin8384]

laughs in pew pew

[@ThePlaguebringer172]

hmmm... from what era in their history, as an early jedi would be obliterated against a knight. Why? the proto-saber. It had a power pack, and a cord. and once the cord is severed, the jedi is defenseless. That being said, the jedi knew this, and would likely protect the cord at all cost. And if you are putting a knight from the eleventh century against a jedi, than the jedi would reasonably have to be using a proto-saber. The sith on the other hand, never had this issue, for 2 reasons. 1) The sith sword. The sith sword is evenly matched to a modern lightsaber, and was arguably more lethal than any lightsaber, because it didn't cauterize the wound. Aswell, the sith are the ones who pioneered the modern lightsaber, and therefore in my opinion, the modern lightsaber would not have been developed as quickly by the jedi, as my understanding of the purpose of creating such a weapon was ease of concealment, rather than actual effectiveness That being said, most if not all sith swords had no more than two cutting edges, which would be a sizable disadvantage against a circular plasma blade. And that is why I think that the Sith were better than the Jedi

[@timmebouwmeester9026]

But the Jedi lived a long long time ago, so in the eleventh century they would already have lightsabers and not proto-sabers.

[@ThePlaguebringer172]

@@timmebouwmeester9026 then they're extinct. the jedi are dead before it even started

[@palemoogle3049]

I love kite shields

[@Blackmark7410]

I loved it when one of the castles you showed was Heddingham Castle. It is one of the ones local to me, which I love visiting.

[@tylerfortin3239]

as i was watching, everytime you said "I also have a video on that" i got more excited XD im a huge medieval enthusiast, and am definitely subscribing to ya! awesome vids.

[@shadiversity]

Welcome to the channel! I hope you enjoy ^_^

[@BigBrotherTV]

As a German, I find it very funny that the word Knight comes from the word Knecht, because in Germany the word Knecht is still a common insult. (Even though I am aware that it had a different meaning at the time and that is probably where the word Landsknecht was derived from).

[@homeycdawg]

In order to get the Samurai to beat the Knight, MatPat had to literally nerf the Knight to such an extent that it was little more than a generic soldier, completely leaving out that true Knights, like Samurai, were generally wealthy noblemen.

[@AimForMyHead81]

Cornered Fox true

[@smogblazer4509]

It’s nerf or nothin’

[@skyewaybright4293]

Smog Blazer, terrible. 😐

Knights are OP, pls nerf.

[@professionalmemeenthusiast2117]

Cornered Fox So were Knights in a way

[@blueis7909]

I really like this video because its not completely one sided like so many other videos tip of the old cap to you Shadiversity

[@Ebelon]

17:00 me in Dark souls, rolling just under %70 weight capacity.

[@confinedyeti5185]

me in darksouls sorting out weight just before a roll while fighting darklurker

[@armaros848]

Just use havel armour

[@Wuuff]

@@armaros848 wat r u? Casul?

[@abuckarooboyo7104]

@@Wuuff fashion souls for life

[@Wuuff]

@@abuckarooboyo7104 Havels aint fashion my boy (in my opinion, wear what you want but you will be judged)

[@TrinityDestroyer]

I would say the Knight has the advantage based on the fact that their arming swords can thrust, meanwhile Katanas generally only slice. Slicing at chain mail is not very effective, but thrusting a pointed sword through armor is very effective.

[@alephkasai9384]

Knights didn't just use swords, they also used spears and maces. Later on, they started using polearms such as pollaxes, and lucernes. Media generally likes to show samurai as being primarily swordsmen but they were primarily archers. They also used polearms as well such as spears and naginatas.

[@zenitsuagatsuma9076]

@@alephkasai9384 yea pop culture kinda ruins some stuff

[@rioulethebeats9717]

I'm not saying that a samurai could win against tonight cuz I do believe a night can win I'm just saying it's kind of hard for a night to be the gun

[@jeffreygao3956]

Katanas can stab; Just not through armor.

[@cheerfulgestalt3282]

Oh look, MatPat didn't do proper research again. In other news, water is wet.

[@swcsomeonewhocares8707]

Eric Downing for reference, water isn’t wet, it makes things wet. It’s like saying air is wind. But yeah MatPat is good at theories so it’s entertaining to say the least.

[@cheerfulgestalt3282]

@@swcsomeonewhocares8707 For reference, the actual experts on water who have studied it for decades say that water is wet because water is nothing like air or fire and the use of hydrogen's unique tetrahedral bonding effectively makes water "wet air". Basically, strong tetrahedral hydrogen bonding makes water wet. The full article that explains it can be found here: nautil.us/issue/25/water/ingenious-richard-saykally

[@swcsomeonewhocares8707]

Wow! That’s quite a read. Whelp you’ve changed my mind... until another scientist proves otherwise 🤣 Thanks for the knowledge.

[@cseijifja]

dude, he did, he just said " horse archers would win in a 11th century fight" and he's right, we dont have to guess, the mongols are there as proof, they smashed knight, footmen adn anything that stood in their way.

[@danielmateer6177]

@@cseijifja key word you yourself used, footmen, here we're talking about two mounted units, rather than one mounted and one not.

[@rilloff9710]

Anybody: "literally anything" Shad: i made a whole video about this

[@Ally5141]

Popular youtube channel: "spews unhistorical bullshit" Shadiversity: let me correct you

[@DerivativeMVs]

Darks Souls: Wearing heavy armor makes you slower, and unable to roll. Real People: Hold my shield.

[@brokenhalosc0810]

Depends on whats its made of really I mean no one is gonna be wearing havels or smoughs armor

[@le-mon]

im pretty sure you wouldn't be able to roll in armor made out of solid rock

[@narupiv]

It only makes you move slower if your character doesnt have good enough stats to do the better rolls.

[@unnameduser5647]

@@le-mon exactly what I thought

[@rhett5058]

Because I don’t need it due to my heavy armor.

[@pennyw2226]

Matpat: makes medieval style video The entire sword community: YOU UNDERESTIMATE OUR POWER

[@crozraven]

pretty good counter-video, I am so glad you debunks many misconceptions about knights and samurai. Also as much as I like samurai, I have a hard time with matpat's conclusion on how samurai are the winner while I think the knights have more advantages in warfare.

[@tanegurnick5071]

Croz Raven its hard case how the two are glorified. both were isolationist in more backwater areas. its like testing a kitten vs a puppy and forgetting about the dominant forces of the time like the Islamic and Mongolian empires who actually destroyed other peoples and not just themselves

[@DylanJo123]

Tane Gurnick are we just going to ignore the crusades? we can argue the effectiveness of the Knights in those campaigns but they were not isolationist. they fought islamic and moorish warriors for gods sale

[@DylanJo123]

Tane Gurnick also, are you really going to lump the entirety of Europe into a single cultural group? that's beyond ignorant.

[@tanegurnick5071]

JenkinsHTTK not a single but a similar. Its just like you would lump the Chinese into a single culture even though there are many and China is as big as Europe. The knights lost in Israel, the Byzantine empire was destroyed. Tell me what power can compare to the Islamic empire from Europe?

[@rikgales123]

in the middle east the nights didn't win a lot of ground that is treu but in spain and portugal the knights pushed the moors out of europa. these 2 campains do not have the same scale but it shows that the knights did not do under for the muslims. also the muslims in that ties power was not ther military strengt but there knowlege and ther understanding of sciens. sorry for the bad grammer

[@CreativeWorkflowHack]

he made a theory how it would be in the real world if they fought. but based everything on mmo game mechanics wtf. Anime fights are not the real world! silly matpat!

[@coltonlong2223]

Unfortunately not. But then you see shit like mordhau grips and anime looks more realistic lmao. I was watching anime for a good while before I first saw half wording and went "that's like how we hold metal in my dad's welding shop when its fresh, that makes sense!".

[@kharkovluzhin8333]

@@coltonlong2223 well anime still not as accurate as reality

[@ARCAD3BLOOD]

Anime has a girls that throws a weapons impossible for others to even lift. Don't need a deep search, that anime fights are bullshit.

[@atheistmando4976]

@Darth Ren I think you miss his argument dude.

[@kleozane2781]

@BuggsPray Watch "Sword of the Stranger", "Samurai Champloo" and "Rurouni Kenshin" (which you may have seen already). Best samurai/sword fighting animes that are way more realistic than other anime.

[@krumpits]

I'm glad you mentioned that "much slower and tankier knight" line that he said. Out of the entire misinformed video, that one line triggered me so hard cause it immediately showed how hard he favors the katana "dimension cutter" hollywood samurai.

[@ManCheat2]

katanas are shit, only weebs think they are good.

[@wingedhussar4357]

the katana was an ingeniously created sword, but definitely not on par with european blades (folded steel is never as good as forged blades)

[@jarialarik9431]

depends on your folded steel. Damascus steel has always been one of the higher quality medieval-era steels. Damascus, however, was NOT invented in Japan (at least not solely, it may have developed there independently) , it can be traced back to the Arabs and to 500 A.D. India. From the Middle East it spread to other parts of Europe (and possibly to Japan via China) Properly made folded steel was strong for the same reason that concrete is enforced with re-bar, with bands of harder steel and softer steel, it is possible to make a strong and flexible blade. Modern damascus steel is stronger than it was in medieval times because we now have a better understanding of metallurgy. However, you will not ever find a Damascus blade chopping through a forged blade, just like Katanas do not slice european swords in half. The difference in steel quality, while noticable, is not that extreme.

[@Volosous]

excuse me, but my glorious Nippon steel swung vertically could slice through a knight's shield and armor and body and their horses body all in one swing.

[@agustindelgado7388]

A Highly Sophisticated Gentleman No sword can cut trough steel plated armor Not specifically the katana, NO SWORD can cut trough steel plates, doesnt matter how well done it is

[@KwerzOfficial]

I learn more about history from shadiversidy than I learn from school

[@dragoonpreston3]

This is because Shad actually does the research, not just spew the same 'facts' over and over again.

[@MichaelSwinny]

I've learnt almost everything I know about history (everything to do with Europe since William the conquerer) from Shadiversity, Oversimplified and Horrible Histories.

[@grubbu7073]

So I didn't know about the long sword thing and now I'm baffled by how many games get that wrong.

[@g1jetfireandrainbowdash798]

Jimmy's buzzard Advent everybody gets it wrong unless they do research or go to a renaissance festival and are put in their place. Personally I prefer an arming or long sword, can go either way since I have practiced both. Though I still need to work on my shield play.

[@shadoweddragonfilms4424]

Same, honestly. More because I can't find a shield that's big enough for me... Six-foot tall guy running around with a heater shield that barely covers his arm is kinda awkward...

[@frickengamer149]

It seems kind of obvious now that I think about it. I mean, they're literally called LONG swords. Of course the real ones are long.

[@demonking86420]

Also broadswords are actually the basket-hilted kind, what people think a broadsword is, are actually arming swords

[@demonking86420]

@@shadoweddragonfilms4424 also kite shields are comparable to Roman scutums in size

[@nurseclaire5252]

Japan had less resources and thus less options. so I absolutely agree with your video. they weren't stupid, they were using to the best effect the resources they had, but Europe happened to be richer in that aspect.

[@Cutie_Oni]

Kyle Meyer yep and western culture back in those days to colonization era were more aggressive just look at vikings!

[@Cutie_Oni]

@@mo.leculemanboth are expirienced in their own ways, you need expirienced to be a knight back in those days, or you need to be rich enough to buy better equipments

[@Cutie_Oni]

@@mo.leculeman yea, eastern martial arts were focused on speed and technique, while the western focused on damage and impact, but the only time when eastern and western culture clash is either the colonization era or when the mongols attack europe, so we didn't really know which is better, but lets settle this: western armies were focused on equipment and their weapons were focused on impact and armor were created to absorb impact. Eastern armies focused on speed, swiftness, and technique, especially the japanese samurai since they have low quality resources, the highest quality metal there can be considered average compared to european metal during that time, But when it comes to blood lust battle the knights is most likely to win, the viking will simply get defeated because because both knights and samurai are expirienced in cavalry/horseback/mounted combat, but the samurai will lose because the quality of their material is low and easy to break, and the knight's armor is more durable against the japanese katana and they have shields, and by shields i mean big shields like kite shields So the knights will win

[@Cutie_Oni]

@@mo.leculeman that is why japanese sword fights tend to attack their weak parts but still the knights have better equipment and they do have shields, so it depends on how they use their equipment, but no question that the viking will lose, those knights and samurai have freakin horses for a reason

[@Cutie_Oni]

@@mo.leculeman and i agree on your point there, it depends on condition, location, training and prep time when it comes to samurai vs knights But no question that the winged hussars will win against the samurai (just my opinion)

[@helix713]

After watching Skallagrim's and Metatron's video, this video is on par with there's. Great work man. And holy cow, you can that stuff with plate armor? Amazing.

[@masteronmace]

6 years ago this was the first video I ever saw on your channel and I’m glad to still be subscribed and watching your content. Learned so much and have had fun watching you