Why Wikipedia is the Internet's Most Important Website - LOVEWEB

[@shadokwastaken]

HELP BRINGING MANON PLUSH REAL: www.makeship.com/petitions/manon-plushie

[@sheamccready8526]

Ayay real

[@Epicconor1]

Horary

[@HoveringHexagons]

Sir yes sir

[@wowawesome745]

I NEED IT RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

[@FruitBanana420]

Shut up and take my money

[@ElizabethHastings-s9r]

I still remember when the All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 article was edited saying that Gordon Freeman dies at the end

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

Why were you on the All Dogs Go to Heaven article? By the time I thought to check if someone actually did it wasn’t able to be edited

[@ElizabethHastings-s9r]

@@ThefifthBishopofGord It's not able to be edited because of that

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

@@ElizabethHastings-s9r I know that. I guessed it was the reason why it was unable to be edited and later confirmed it

[@Erblorg]

Wikipedia: the free online encyclopedia that anyone from black mesa can edit.

[@Monol4t3]

Gordon had a battle with no chance of winning..

[@not_really_greg]

The voice acting is phenomenal this episode please let the VAs know how good they did

[@VeraSimila]

@@not_really_greg Thank you!!! So glad you enjoyed!

[@blockeontheleafeon]

I love Manon's voice. It totally fits them. I can't imagine Manon with any other voice with an adorable face like that.

[@JeanClaudius]

The new VAs are a lot better than the AI voices they used in the first few Loveweb episodes. Good Job!

[@PearangeProductions]

@@blockeontheleafeonWhat the...?! You're here, too, Blockeon?! You seem to like a lot of the same things I do, I swear. _(also I prefer the AI voices, but these are good too. I'm cool with it)_

[@blockeontheleafeon]

@@PearangeProductions Small world. I love SiivaGunner, Regretavator, SoundCloud Tourneys, D&D, FNF Mods, LOVEWEB and Khojin House. I also check out Anime Reviews / Analysis and Scaffrilias if I want to turn my brain off with some hour long content on KZbin.

[@xbgames6162]

my grandpa has a wiki page. he was the founder of a orchestra. he's dead now but seeing him immortalized in the work of other people made me forever respect Wikipedia for how people come to write about literally anything for free.

[@gabrote42]

Ditto. And also a few other family members

[@Epicconor1]

I think seeing something you are apart of is fun to look at Like the small town you live in

[@asileitorgamer5598]

Nice

[@dolphin2.0.]

My favorite page on wikipedia is "Wikipedia: Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia?" It's fascinating the way that wikipedia works in terms of notability to try to keep the site reliable, even if it can be frustrating.

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

Stuff like that is why Fandom got anywhere in big communities. For all its errors you can at least find information on it about a game or series that you can’t find on Wikipedia due to it not meeting the qualifications.

[@dolphin2.0.]

@@ThefifthBishopofGord you are indeed entirely right. I am unsure if you were implying it was, but it is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, fandom exists only because of this, but so does all of the independent wikis. This also keeps a much more reasonable amount of articles to be on Wikipedia, allowing those communities to specialize and give a lot more information about that specific subject than would be reasonable to put on Wikipedia. Wikipedia can't reasonably be the home to all information or else it would be a much less useful encyclopedia. By limiting it only to what is notable, it keeps what is important there and allows room for others to specialize, and it keeps the information which is important regardless of time. As long as Wikipedia stands, almost all the articles that are currently there should continue to be on there because they're all important.

[@kootunesscrewy]

This is why I don't trust Wikipedia for indie animation. As much as I love indie cartoons like BFDI and Ollie and Scoops, I think it's best if that content remains on a dedicated wiki that has alot of research and tools. I say like TV Tropes or Fandom.

[@sonicfanboy3375]

Imagine if LoveWeb has a Wikipedia page

[@Ducklolly]

At least TV tropes isn't this strict for these kinds of stuff, though that's because it's exclusively for pieces of media like films, books, TV shows, games, music, and others

[@OilFreak]

I very much enjoy the human voices without any kind of distortion

[@VeraSimila]

Thank you so much! We put a lot into our performances, comments like this make my day.

[@PearangeProductions]

Personally, I prefer the AI voices...but honestly, this is a *damn* close second. These voices also work for me, lol.

[@MacenW]

@@VeraSimila keep cooking you did great this episode

[@randomlittleidot]

15:36 the captions say "*manon noise*" after cybermare calls wikipedia based i love this show

[@SprinchelArt]

I think this show might be the most important show about the internet on the internet It's well made, covers really interesting topics and ultimately has the most right idea of what THE INTERNET is all about. Or at least, what it should be all about. I think the whole dynamic of Manon and Cybermare is genius in it's simplicity. The combination of unfiltered love and brutal criticism comes together to make something really insightful. It always keeps the show away from leaning too much into two extremes - the kid friendly pop science or a harsh critical rant. It always keeps the show interesting and that's why it's always nice to listen to Manon and Cybermare talk about topics you wouldn't even usually care about. And there is honestly a lot of new information I hear every new episode. I really hope this series continues to thrive, no matter what.

[@Frogman920]

The “Hewo” at the end of the preview scared the daylights out of me

[@ThatCannibalisticDrone]

Love the video and infodump about the Wikipedia, however I just couldn't rub off the feeling like I'm forgetting something... *AH! HELLO GORDON!*

[@nacnud2115]

The free online encyclopedia that anyone at black mesa can edit!

[@ionic7777]

I like that you use both an optimist and a skeptic for the character personalities; it really shows things from multiple perspectives and keeps the conversation flowing nicely :)

[@Seika9]

"It's me! But small and soft and *very huggable*!" Implies that manon isn't already incredibly huggable. Smh, it's poetic that a video about wikipedia spreads misinformation.

[@wowawesome745]

I wasn't too convinced on the new voice direction at first, but it actually grew on me very quickly! Also, I love that SA2 reference at 3:05

[@sirpootsman]

whenever i see miku i go 🤯🤯🤯

[@Yokune_Ruko_fan]

I clicked on the premiere just because i saw Miku's hand ( and also because I've been waiting for the video for a long time ... )

[@sheamccready8526]

Relatable

[@naties3603]

Interesting

[@cralo2569]

me when midoriko

[@Starpotion]

Miku Miku oo ee oo

[@asciicatface]

I think this is legitimately my favorite webseries on the internet Also I really appreciate both the personalities of Manon and Cybermare and contrast between. Manon is the bright-eyed, inquisitive, and joyous one, like a nerdy teenager exploring the internet in the 2000's, while Cybermare is more subdued, cynical, and perhaps jaded with experience, like the late 20-somethings of nowadays that saw the good times come and go and, while still in tune with the internet, are maybe a bit resentful of what it's become today. Cybermare keeps Manon grounded in her excitable, near info-dump-level raves of internet lore and history, but still has the decency, level-headedness, and respect for Manon to come around on topics when Manon shows her something she can be genuinely impressed or even still inspired by. Cybermare is kind of what I imagine the average 4chan user of nowadays would be like (if that type of anon still existed anymore), and Manon the inspired and hard-working adolescent that makes Neocities websites, actually self-animated AMVs, and mountains of AU fanart, stories, and even askblogs, deeply interested and respectful of the early internet and trying their best to make it more like what they'd like it to be today, or at least carving out that little piece of it they can be proud of and call their own.

[@dreamwalking]

The kids _need_ to know about Homestar Runner. Not only was it a titan of its day, worthy of documentation and legacy, but it is also the archtypical example of flash animation: the lost art of the interactive video, back in the old days when you could interact with hidden easter eggs on websites and if you clicked the right spot in a Homestar video there would be a whole minigame to play.

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

As a kid in his early 20s who is obsessed with Homestar Runner, I agree that more kids should know about it, mainly so I have somebody else to talk to about it

[@dreamwalking]

@thefriendlyenemy7908 Same. I was introduced via Strong Bad in _Poker Night at the Inventory._

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

@ I basically grew up on it, then got obsessed with TF2, THEN found out about Heavy and Strong Bad meeting each other in Poker Night, and that is still the coolest thing ever to me

[@dreamwalking]

@@thefriendlyenemy7908 I hope we can someday get a third one, it's such a tragedy that the first two aren't available nowadays; It's such a fantastic game series.

[@manoftruth0935]

@@dreamwalkingbut who would we play against? There needs to be: Two that tend to go all in on crap The coward And the cautious. And they have to be from properties that are still relevant, or had a big impact. So far, I’ve come up with Bender, Daffy Duck, and Jotaro Kujo.

[@travisnakahira7320]

I adore Manon’s voice direction, like somehow it still sounds like it’s imperfect and synthesized and I think that’s a really cool detail that not enough people appreciate

[@shanshansan]

I LOVE how that one bad faith edit at 5:48 is still getting shown up sometimes. It's used as the lead image for the article: "Vandalism on Wikipedia".

[@ferrisffalcis]

this video feels like it's from 2025, 2013 and 2002 at the same time

[@ddeevviiaanntt]

It's immortal!!!!!

[@sonicfanboy3375]

It's about time you made an episode about Wikipedia. An episode about TV Tropes would also be cool

[@dispensergoinup]

yesss we need an episode on the other other wiki

[@gabrote42]

Totally

[@randomlittleidot]

love the silly animation in the preview(?) before the premiere

[@salderr]

I cant escape the battle cats apparently. I see it wherever I go

[@ionic7777]

@@salderr There is no escape :P

[@randomlittleidot]

@ HERE I COME!!!

[@salderr]

@@randomlittleidot AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@suturesunder3465]

"only oldfa- old dudes know about it" me too cybermare, me too

[@suturesunder3465]

consider also: - newfriend/oldfriend - newfrag/oldfrag - newfan/oldfan - okay actually none of the substitutes sound right this sucks but what can you do

[@handfuloffrogs]

old fashioned internet users

[@veto_5762]

Truly the mark of a seasoned internet user

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

Me who is not an old dude and still knows about it and is obsessed with it and would love an episode on it:

[@Blaineworld]

7:00 one time i tried to add captions to the cicada sound on wikipedia (very dumb captions like “rEEEErrrrEEEErrrrEeeeEerr”) and it explicitly told me that my edit was blocked because it was probably vandalism. i mean, it kind of is but it’s an accurate description of a cicada sound i think

[@DreamerOfTheSouth]

I actually dig the less squeaky and more natural Manon voice

[@DesnotPG]

Another amazing video! But i still want the Homestar runner vid btw

[@AshJolt]

Me when wikipedia blacklists my favorite series and the names if the creators AND the name of the formula of the series: ༼⁠;⁠´⁠༎ຶ⁠ ⁠۝ ⁠༎ຶ⁠༽

[@maskedmanpkclysm5327]

look dude if micheal bay ain't there it ain't relevant just sayin'

[@myrkvimeowz]

NEW LOVEWEB EP YAY!! Ever since I discovered this channel I've been OBSESSED! I've re-watched so many videos and learned so much 2! I hope the plushie really does work out, I'll totally be pledging soon + convincing my parents :D KYAA I LOVE THIS

[@MorbyLol]

MY WALLET IS IN SHAMBLES between the Manon plush and the Luka plush makeships gonna have life saving lmao

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

I understand the concern over a Homestar Runner episode not performing well, but let me be the one person who is BEGGING you to make one anyway. I think more people deserve to be exposed to Homestar Runner and find out just how great it is. Also, I am obsessed with it

[@Banjoei]

I'd have loved to see you talk about Wikimedia's other projects!! Did you know Wikimedia has a Dictionary, a Travel Guide, and even a Cookbook? It's one of my favorite parts about the project, cuz even bellow the surface they have SO much helpful information!

[@IwanMilner]

This was such an informative video on the website I've been using all my life... thanks Manon and Cybermare for teaching me more about Wikipedia! (And thank you Shadok... for changing my life these past two years keep going my dear and see ya soon!) :3

[@hijpixel]

15:36 *MANON NOISE* God I love this silly catto X3

[@veemonic6570]

I FUCKING LOVE WIKIPEDIA RAAAHHHHHHHHHH as an editor myself i encourage everyone reading this to start editing!!!!!!! i would recommend reading WP:getting started, WP:MOS, and also WP:STOCKS first

[@yulgok22returns]

ive been always loving this series. thanks for introducing Listen to Wikipedia to me, it was one of those purely exciting moments from the web which is getting harder to experience nowadays.

[@peacefulpanda3800]

gah this episode is so lovely! nice to see cybermare be abit more accepting of what manon is talking about! dont get me wrong i love the back and forth they have so you can see both sides of a topic but it makes me happy to see her happy! really loved how coool the wiki globe looked at the start! i love this wacky digital world your building! and the voice actors did great! there really good at making the characters have so much more, character! simply lovely work and it makes me always so genuinely happy watching it. thank you!

[@AntonnyCardo]

This is the first video i see from this channel, but i immediately followed for how well you guys made it

[@chilledoutcat1571]

gosh this was so incredibly heartfelt and lovely. Thank you and everyone involved for this episode

[@velvetbow39]

i think this might be the best youtube video ive ever watched

[@marionberry2648]

Man I hope you guys continue making more Lovewebs! I hope I get to see a vid about R/place someday in the future!

[@delofj]

Je m'attendais pas à tomber sur une chaîne YT Anglophone mais Française aussi quali que ça aujourd'hui (I did not expect to stumble upon an English speaking but French channel with that amount of quality today) Que ce soit au niveau des animations, du contenu, de la narration (Being on the animations, content or the narration) Je suis déjà fan (I'm already a fan)

[@seviojohto4562]

Another informative master piece! thank you, Shadok and crew

[@BigA207]

I forgot how adorable Manon’s new voice is. Replacing the AI voices with human voices was one of the best calls in this show:

[@dynamicducko]

my goat wikipe-tan best (unofficial) mascot ever

[@mrrfyW]

This feels like a kids cartoon but it’s more like an informational video, and I love it! Great video! 💜

[@JimsJunkSale]

10:07 That kinda already happened, but was corrected later on. From 2013 to 2021, the Croatian Language part of Wikipedia was dominated by edits and pages telling a version of historical events that promoted far-right ideas (particularly whitewashing the actions of the Ustaše during WW2). It was really crazy.

[@anthonyslaptheknee9344]

Wikipedia shows there is common good in the world That people do things for the sake of others just cause That's what makes it beautiful

[@shanshansan]

Wikipedia and Gmail are the only websites where the light themes are actually good.

[@murilot.c3823]

Another perfect video! Keep up the good work!

[@NoName......]

This series is so informative

[@muzzleflash2483]

i actually wouldn't mind an episode on Homestar

[@meaburror7653]

YESS!! My favorite internet show!!! can you imagine that i was looking for the show to wactch old episodes and now there is a new episode!!!

[@_RTD]

Fun fact: Wikipedia’s servers are all stored on a rack in Black Mesa!!

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

Good thing nothing bad ever happens there

[@k4kadu]

this feels like a high quality educational tv show that is fun for both kids and adults

[@danmur15]

I started donating a few months ago after Elon Musk tried buying it or whatever the fuck he tried to do. Can't wait to watch!

[@gabrote42]

Ditto. I often have a hard time giving money to people on the street but after those news I dropped AR$ 5000 on it so fast. Had to skip a merienda or two but worth it

[@Softcustomer2]

He can't buy Wikipedia. The site is open source so unless he speaks to every single person that has ever edited a Wikipedia page then the site cannot be bought out

[@danmur15]

@@Softcustomer2 no, he absolutely could buy Wikipedia, or at least otherwise take control of the Wikimedia foundation. The only reason the community got to vote to keep ads off the site was because the current owners understand the importance of their community, which is also the only reason it wasn't sold. If we wanted to look at a hypothetical where Musk did somehow take control of Wikipedia, I could easily see him applying locks to more pages, giving paid access to those pages or clearing out existing editors. coordinated disruption of wikipedia by users would probably work to disrupt any changes, but it would never be the same again. I also have no doubt that ads would appear almost immediately, and it would look a lot more like Fandom.

[@tomk.6846]

it surprised me how you didnt mentioned all of the wikipedia inspired satirical knock-offs! they are althought a small part of the internet history a big one in the wikipedia history! like encyclopedia dramatica the frikipedia and absurdopedia!!! AWESOME VID BTW!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

[@maciejkamil]

Animation is wonderfull! So smooth and comfy. Colorfull and bright, but not blinding. We need positive shows such as loveweb in these dark times.

[@IAsimov]

God bless Wikipedia. The actual reason the Internet was made: The sharing of knowledge, without the hand of power.

[@ItsAubreeyy]

I think the next video should be about TV Tropes

[@Normal_Nights]

That was really nice. I’ve used Wikipedia for the longest of time, though I never bothered to dive into it beyond using it for casual research and college book references. It was really awesome to hear about its history. The donation pop ups are almost adds in their own right as far as user experience, but it’s understandable and impossibly amazing that they make their system work and are able to continue having Wikipedia exist. Hope ya continue making more videos on other stuffs too. Voices and animations are awesome 👍

[@kenswords]

HOMESTAR RUNNER MENTIONED 🔥

[@MacenW]

Homestar Runner dismissed

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

You can’t dismiss Homestar Runner, he probably doesn’t even understand what that word means! You can tell him “dismissed” and he’ll go “which miss?” And you’ll go “no not this miss, dismiss” and he’ll go “wight, wight. That miss. Where is she?” And so on and so forth

[@progect3548]

a video on the internet archive would be epic

[@under_cal]

holy this is underrated only 13k views on something this incredible

[@bestshadow6585]

"There's no way we can do Newgrounds justice without making an hour long episode amd we're not doing that unless we start making a lot of money" That one Kickstarter: Fine, I do it myself

[@nakenmil]

The voice acting in this video was stellar. It really feels like the characters were fully realized. ^^

[@TouhouEXPolaros]

Audio in this Episode in just Finess o7

[@august.pathetic]

newgrounds loveweb episode sounds awesome

[@MacenW]

Sassy and opinionated made an hour long gem, but it got removed from KZbin, you can find it on the Internet archive though

[@kaiandtheskitty]

My favorite Wikipedia edit is when someone decided to edit "My bad romance" by Lady gaga was inspired by Story of Undertale

[@cyanified]

Anyone remember when Lady Gaga's Bad Romance was edited to say it was a parody of Story of Undertale

[@ShockedTaiLung]

I love this channel

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

I still can’t believe the creator wanted r34 of these characters and people delivered so quickly.

[@OilFreak]

I doubt that

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

@ Check the video of the series that about the rules of the internet

[@CYSYS8993]

Schools: We're gonna pretend we didn't see that

[@GoobertCrayon]

Ok, i really like that this animated cat talks to me like like a children's program would. Is that bad? Can i have a diagnoses?

[@FruitBanana420]

It’s 2am, I had plans to go to sleep, but this is better

[@fool4343]

let cybermare say the f word i think she has to have a pass

[@domi-no1826]

I WANT THE HOUR LONG NEWGROUNDS EPISODE

[@choskey-y1d]

Im a very simple person. I see Hatsune Miku's hand, I click

[@judgebearist]

1:16 With the recent cameo in BFDI, the H*R audience has hopefully been refreshed a bit! Edit: Having finished this out: it's not just corpos who edit as bad actors. Plenty of governments, their intelligence services, and their allied NGOs make sure that their narratives of histories and political concepts get pushed. If you're in the West, you might think of China or Russia being the ones doing this, but if you don't think one of the biggest websites in the world isn't also being manipulated by the CIA, MI5, and (certainly right now) a certain US-backed Levant state, then I don't know what to tell ya.

[@towermeower]

This was such a great episode!

[@KirinCheepCheep]

I’m glad than when you mentioned Fandom you state relatively neutral on the topic because despite the website itself being really scummy, there are some wikis on their that people really put passion into making and adding to, and in few cases some articles can even be better than the alternative ones

[@PSIUser658]

This series is so great! Informative Video essay mixed with great animation and original caharcater interactions is so fun to watch! Love you Manon. Cybermare I guess you’re based too I guess lol

[@iven7804]

Amazing video, thank you for your work !

[@duckmrow3201]

9:10 The ultimate problem with Wikipedia is it has an appeal to authority fallacy built into it. This is the exact loop they use to source cherry picked "experts"(TM) to reinforce certain beliefs or propaganda. There are paid editors that just camp certain pages to push certain narratives. There are even paid editors that just camp certain pages to push certain narratives.

[@RetrofittedCalipers]

Which "certain pages?" If they are manipulating citations to favor one side, you should be able to provide reliable sources from the other position to balance them out

[@Flargenyargen]

Always so charming. I love this series!

[@MacenW]

I could’ve used an hour long video on this. I wanted to see that Polish Wikipedia monument

[@P-MK]

OH MY GOD THE WIKIPEDIA LOVE LETTER VID WE NEEDED

[@nunyabiznes7446]

Delightful. I know im gonna be checking out that Depths of Wikipedia page lol. Keep up the great work!

[@Bluetto]

As a fun fact: In my country, there was a huge famous tv presenter named silvio santos A quite some time ago, someone vandalised his wikipedia pages, and stated that he died from Phimosis That got spread all over the news websites It was pretty funny

[@peacefulpanda3800]

12:18 i really love that delivery on the "what the fuck? why?" it just feels real and funny ha! edit: OH MY GOD I JUST NOICED THE HAT IN THE BACKGROUND FROM ENDLESS WAR HAHA!!

[@doodlesyoru2108]

ok so I went on wikipedia to see if the rabbit thing was real apparently it got removed because THE PAGE IS EDIT LOCKED LMAO

[@Kowal9833]

God, I love this show so much ❤

[@SpoopySquid]

10:13 and others, like the Alan MacMasters hoax, can go on for literal decades EDIT: Despite its faults, I love Wikipedia and the philosophy behind it. I find the best way to use it is alongside more curated sources, like Britannica

[@GraysonicYT]

Sweet a new episode coming in in two days

[@sayachan6069]

I am so happy this series exists.

[@gabrote42]

2:39 1) I feel so like that when trying to do a group project. 2) GREAT voice acting. Very good! Also, I failed to locate the law about wikipedia. If anyone can send me a search term to find it please do (YT hates links)

[@Softcustomer2]

Never forget how the entirety of Undertale started because Toby was reading the Wikipedia page on "arrays" and thought it'd be interesting to make a dialogue system based off that

[@Aresydatch]

Omg Fresh Loveweb Episode

[@Chanmaninacan]

I would actually like to see a homestar video. And im not a old dude the audience for homestar is bigger then ya think!

[@thefriendlyenemy7908]

YOUNGER HOMESTAR RUNNER FANS UNITE I GREW UP ON THIS AND I REFUSE TO LET IT FADE TO OBSCURITY GRAHHHHH

[@FloofPuppy]

I distinctly remember reading a wikipedia article about Kingdom Hearts: Recoded for the DS only to have some paragraph end with the phrase: "I like potatos" I'm not making that up XD

[@somedork9954]

fantastic as always!

[@Mistify-]

YESS New Loveweb episode! ❤