Shadow of the Erdtree - Trailer Analysis

Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree - Trailer Analysis
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[@truenorth1997]

Mesmer is Miquella's Nobody and this dlc will tie Elden Ring in to the Kingdom Hearts franchise

[@thedarkroom6416]

Lol

[@drcox012]

Oh God the final boss is gonna be goofy hyuck.

[@shiftainmussharff]

Mesmer is most likely a sibling to miquella and malenia as we all know Aeonion butterflies represent malenia Nascent butterflies represent miquella And now finally for the smouldering butterflies we can safely say that they represent Mesmer

[@SilverMont]

Yeah I was thinking something along those lines, per the butterflies.

[@guitarmaster628s]

I like this theory or maybe an alter ego similar to Marika and radagon. Maybe miquella is corrupted by bloodflame becomes mesmar

[@azurespectrum1985]

Let's go over what we've seen in the trailer and what we know. The magic that we've seen before is present in this trailer, the angel wing attack the crucible knights use, that armored boar knight seems to use gravity magic, and we see some AOE enchant attack that the branches of bewitching have the effect of. Plus all the new armor looks great, but I really want to trade Torrent for that armored boar, or at the very least give armor to Torrent.

[@SilverMont]

I always found it odd that we couldn't customise Torrent in any way. He's a big part of the game, after all. Not saying he needed like, upgrades and nitrous boosters, but even some cosmetic changes like armour or whatever would've been neat

[@oup6009]

Man I havent watched your channel since your old Dark Souls lore videos! So nice to see you covering Elden Ring :) I hope you have the time to make some lore videos again!

[@SilverMont]

I made a couple of Elden Ring lore videos, actually!

[@Brutalyte616]

Dollars to donuts says Messmer is what Mohg managed to turn Miquella into by exposing him to the blood magics of the Formless Mother, which might be who Messmer is referring to instead of Marika. I'm also convinced that if St. Trina is Miquella's benevolent 'Dream' self, then Messmer is Miquella's malevolent 'Nightmare' self, and thus Messmer is an amalgam of everything that Miquella deems as 'wrong' about his existence, namely his ties to Radagon and his extended family through Rennala and Godfrey.

[@SilverMont]

Haha, Miquella having a good and a bad side would be amusing. Although I think that line about mom would only really make sense if it's Marika, given the context of what he's saying. But we shall see!

[@speedforce117]

​@@SilverMontIf you've read Berserk, I believe Miquella is Griffith, Messmer is Femto, and St. Trina is Griffith's Hawk of Light reborn form.

[@Some_guy_and_his_games]

that’s not the case anymore sadly. Miyazaki had confirmed in an ign interview that released with the trailer that Mesmer was one of Marika’s children who was not mentioned in the base game

[@Brutalyte616]

@@Some_guy_and_his_games Yeah, well Radagon is Marika, so I wouldn't be surprised if Messmer is Miquella in the same way that St. Trina is Miquella. Plus, depending on the phrasing and how it translates, Miyazaki might be telling a half-truth; we've never heard of 'Messmer' because the theoretical Messmer version of Miquella is not mentioned in the base game in the same way St. Trina is never outright confirmed to be Miquella.

[@guitarmaster628s]

I agree

[@Voideadd]

Messmer is definitely represented by the smoldering butterfly

[@SilverMont]

Would kinda make sense

[@envoyofrot7046]

Anybody noticed how the weapon using the Crucible Knight Ash of War seems to be a dual wield weapon? Also I cannot wait for the Mesmers's Flame Spells. Looks badass 🔥

[@SoullessCast]

This is purely about your last comment of "quality not quantity of bosses"; I totally agree, but I do think the repeat bosses (sometimes) were used in a cool way to really throw you a shock when they change. The Dragonkin soldier that grows wings and has ice-lightning is a pretty incredible "wow" moment if you've already fought the others and assume it will be the same. Similar with the Erdtree Avatar that clones itself. It could have been done better or with more impressive changes, but I kinda like the design choice of "There will be multiple of this boss, and one of them will have some crazy change, but we can't make it predictable when it will happen".

[@SilverMont]

Yeah it didn't ruin Elden Ring for me, but some bosses just overstayed their welcome for me. Especially those giant worms

[@SoullessCast]

@@SilverMont True, those are just a massive pain in the ass with how big they are making it impossible to see what attack they're doing if you're up close... especially in those tiny dungeon rooms.

[@rtyler94]

Very happy to see a video from your channel :) My thoughts are something akin to Godwyn’s Dream, we we have the soulless corpse of Godwyn looming in the background, while we fight Lichdragon within his dream. Perhaps Messmer is Miquella’s Dream variant. Polluted and infused with the Formless Mother’s blood from Mohg. Perhaps Messmer is the name of the Formless Mother? Sure a big stretch, but very exciting to have DLC on the horizon.

[@Willie_Dickins]

Messmer is the only character I think of so far, with a name similar to Elemer of the Briar. Both have occult ties and a deep red theme. Much of the theming in the trailer, besides the crucible and miquella, reminds me of the occult and Eochaid. The deep red hair of Messmer reminds me of Radagon, Radahn, and the giants. The impaler's Catacombs in the Weeping Peninsula hint at a connection of Messmer the Impaler to that area as well. So excited to see what the community learns before the DLC comes out!

[@MagaldiMateus]

Awesome analysis

[@XCluSiVeSTiLo]

The lion boss looks like the daughter Chimera in Full Metal Alchemist

[@SilverMont]

Ha!

[@Merlchar]

Mesmer theories are going to be fun. Based on his dialogue and appearance, I'm thinking he's a third Marika/Radagon self-child and sibling to Malenia and Miquela. He has features of Rykard too though, plus it looks like he's weilding blood sorcery like Mohg. Maybe the snakes are even grafted. In any case I can't wait.

[@SilverMont]

It'll be funny if he's a child of Marika and a Fire Giant or something

[@thedarkroom6416]

W

[@joestr8848]

I think the “lion dancer” is two omens as you can see from their legs and also the horns coming out of the lions

[@SilverMont]

That would fit with them being from pre-Erdtree times

[@shiftainmussharff]

Mesmer is most likely a sibling to miquella and malenia as we all know Aeonion butterflies represent malenia Nascent butterflies represent miquella And now finally for the smouldering butterflies we can safely say that they represent Mesmer

[@Cragdor47]

That makes more since than Melina, now that we're given the info

[@SilverMont]

Yeah, I had always wondered about the smouldering ones - Melina was the best bet I had back then, but this would make more sense.

[@shiftainmussharff]

Yeah his name also starts with M just like miquella and malenia

[@slightlytwistedagain]

I'm of the opinion that this area is concealed with those veils. Like the Black Knife Assassins they are practically invisible unless you use that special torch to root them out. Regarding the word shadow I think it's a play on words how assassins are hidden in the shadows, so this entire region has been put in the shadows. I imagine that there will be some special item to see this location and it will be in the middle of the map.

[@SilverMont]

From have often touched on obfuscated areas in DLC, so it might follow that trend!

[@Cragdor47]

Purple is also associated with gravitational magic, dont forget about that! ;)

[@SilverMont]

Yeah that's a good point

[@kakkaohjus]

Messmer gave me instant Mogh vibes with their weapon being of similar materials as Moghs as well as the blood red flames. I'm guessing Messmer is the Godfrey of the DLC and it's Formless Mothers Elden Beast equivalent that's after them as the main DLC story ender. Secret super boss will be something to do with Godwyn the Dead.

[@SilverMont]

I'd like to see more Godwyn stuff!

[@LovelessDogg1]

It looks like this game will have it's own version of the dancer of the boreal valley x Desert Sorceress because there's a shot of the player character fighting what looks like an enemy in red and she's flailing around her swords like a dance of sorts.

[@SilverMont]

I wonder if it's associated with the blue dancer

[@TrixWithStrix]

Perfect time to continue my quality mage run! Can’t wait for June, between this and hopefully a Dawntrail release date.

[@SilverMont]

I just hope they don't come out the same time haha

[@dargons5145]

There's absolutely no way messmer is the dlc's final boss. If there's one thing that's consistent with fromsoft trailers, it's that they never show the final boss in the first trailer (except for that one time they made us believe that father ariandel was a solo boss). It's more likely that he occupies a similar role to either ludwig or maria in the old hunters.

[@SilverMont]

Yeah, he's a flagship. He's Nergigante - not Xenojiva!

[@nicholaspalmer3826]

I WISH TO SPREAD MY CRUCIBLE WINGS

[@SilverMont]

Time to fly!

[@whimsiquisitive]

Theory: Assuming the Aeonian butterfly represents Malenia, the nascent Miquella, and the smoldering Mesmer, It made me wonder if the statues at the Haligtree with Miquella, Malenia, and what we thought was Godwyn, maybe that was Mesmer actually. I'm also wondering if the entire reason that the this shadow land was separated off from the main lands between was in order to stop Mesmer from presumably destroying the Erdtree, and Maybe Miquella went to the shadow lands to seek out Mesmer for some reason.

[@SilverMont]

Marika did like sealing away things that can burn her giant tree

[@shiftainmussharff]

I think they purposefully hide any scene of Godwin in the trailer he might be the final boss of the dlc because they can’t just abandoned Godwin story like that

[@ilcorvo9559]

Th messmer has to be a child of radagon with that hair. It’s interesting that Miquella is the only child of radagon who doesn’t have red hair, to my memory anyway.

[@SilverMont]

Radagon, or a fire giant!

[@VROOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM]

40 for a DLC is crazy. This shit better hit.

[@Luis-rp2lm]

L take

[@SilverMont]

Fromsoft have a good track record with DLC

[@aliquidcow]

I have a feeling it's going to be like a full game's worth of content, hence the high price of the DLC.

[@ilcorvo9559]

We should bring back the term expansion to differentiate. All my games are technically downloaded content anyway these days.

[@SilverMont]

That's very true! Good expansions like Iceborne are always welcome

[@ElDrHouse2010]

"Zanzibart, forgive me" - Myrmidon of Loss what did he mean by this

[@SilverMont]

Personal Apology: The Myrmidon of Loss could be apologizing directly to someone named Zanzibart for a personal transgression or mistake. This could be related to something the Myrmidon did that caused harm or distress to Zanzibart. Symbolic Gesture: Alternatively, "Zanzibart" could be symbolic or metaphorical, representing a larger group, entity, or concept. In this interpretation, the Myrmidon might be apologizing for actions that affected a broader community or ideology. Regret and Remorse: Regardless of the specific context, the phrase conveys a sense of regret and remorse. The Myrmidon seems to acknowledge that they have done something wrong and seeks forgiveness for it. Mystery and Intrigue: Sometimes, quotes like this are intentionally ambiguous to create intrigue and mystery within a story. The true meaning might be revealed later on, or it could be left open to interpretation to encourage speculation among readers or viewers.

[@GodWarsX]

This what the streets been waitin on

[@SilverMont]

Yes

[@bacon2359]

What if Mezma is the missing god from the old age. Like the one placidusax is waiting for. Man I'm so excited

[@SilverMont]

It would be cool to see things/people from the Pre-Erdtree times

[@goldenpaladin]

Personally i think mesmur is a dragon knight due to his armors resemblance to the drake armor in base game

[@SilverMont]

Maybe he's the leader/founder of them or something

[@SilverMont]

Maybe he's the leader/founder of them or something

[@goldenpaladin]

@@SilverMont maybe or he had something similar happen to him like what happened to the nameless king where be was cast out of the family somehow

[@TheAnaz41745]

Where is this interview you are referring to?

[@SilverMont]

If you Google shadow of the erdtree interview you should be able to find it. There's also like IGN and Eurogamer ones I think

[@AndresLopez-st3lz]

This trailer gives me a lot of duviri Warframe vibes, another universe but with some time travel stuff

[@SilverMont]

Oh man I've not played Warframe in ages

[@quinnbeasley94]

Fast. Nice.

[@Archontasil]

This dlc development is probably took longer than the whole armored core development. I wonder how big this is?

[@SilverMont]

Do we know how long AC6 was in development for? And well apparently the geographical size is a bit bigger than Limgrave. "Slightly bigger but denser" I think Miyazaki said?

[@Archontasil]

@@SilverMont nah i was exaggerating of course, but from the 1st trailer to release it took less than a year i think.

[@dargons5145]

​@@Archontasilapparently AC was in development for around five years. The reason it took so long is because the dev team was a bit smaller than usual.

[@AwsomeDude2471]

Wait a minuite, your name isn’t Vaati??? Silly Alex.

[@SilverMont]

I'm not a zelda villain. If I were, I'd wanna be Ganondorf.

[@blaynesea8816]

Mesmer is cocoon grown mohg miquella, saint trina is probably the "good' spirit version of miquella who will take us to the dlc to deal with his shadow dimension evil version?

[@SilverMont]

Maybe so! For now I'm on the side of Messmer being separate from Miquella, but it could be a Radagon situation certainly

[@flamingmanure]

considering the "quality" of bosses and mini bosses in elden ring far surpass anything in the older games (barring some sekiro bosses and dlcs), i was completely fine with the reusage of bosses in base game, they were mostly optional. hell most of this game's mini bosses are on par if not better than alot of early game main bosses of the older games, crucible knight is a fantastic heavy enemy/mini boss and there are almost 30 heavy enemies like that in this game, so i get confused when souls veterans comment on elden ring's boss quality, just dont fight a boss you've fought before, guess nostalgia bias is a strong drug. that being said, yes, i would love an even higher form of quality elden ring bosses and mini bosses!

[@SilverMont]

Yeah the game has enough content, don't get me wrong!