Who is the Strongest 'Souls' Dragon?

[@SilverMont]

Placidusax is never pronounced in game so we have no way of knowing how it's pronounced. The nearest we can get, is looking at the Japanese spelling, which is phonetic: 竜王プラキドサクス | Ryūō purakidosakusu | Dragon King Placidosax/Placidsax. Japanese characters are written this way to reflect foreign sounds. (i,e Alex is アレックス | Arekkusu. Doug is ダグ | Dagu ) This means we can (to some extent) use Japanese phonetic spellings to get an idea of how terms never said in game, should sound. Ornstein from DaS1 is a good example: 竜狩りオーンスタイン | Ōnsutain which gives us a definitive "stine" because "steen" would be more like オーンスティーン | ōnsutīn presumably. Pu - similar to the 'pu' in "puzzle" Ra - similar to the 'ra' in "raw" Ki - similar to the 'ki' in "key" Do - similar to the 'do' in "dome" Sa - similar to the 'sa' in "saw" Ku - similar to the 'ku' in "kook" Su - ending with a 's' sound as in "bus" With the Japanese spelling taken into account, the pronunciation would accurately reflect as: "Pla" as in "plastic" "ki" as in "key" "do" as in "dome" "sa" as in "saw" "k" as in "kook" "s" as in "bus" "Pla-ki-du-sa-ks" Anyway, just relax and don't shout at me because some other dude on YT said Plussysussysacks or Platypus Saxophone or whatever. There isn't really a right or wrong, currently.

[@Impaler765]

All the ancient dragon names are words in latin. They start with "object/adjective" and end with stone (sax). Placidusax means calm stone. So the correct pronunciations are in latin (spelling how it's written).

[@SilverMont]

Yeah when I was looking up the dragon names, I came to a similar conclusion - I'm not an expert in any language by any means. But I do enjoy the etyomology of words and names so I always research them, even at a very basic level. They largely all share the "sax" which seems to be like saxum as in rock, strength, etc. Which makes sense as they are all rather... stone. (MIyazaki really likes his stone dragons doesn't he?) The odd one out is Greyoll. You might assume (again, this is a big assumption) that Greyoll is the 'mother' of all dragons and Placidusax is the father. So we got Placidusax: "Calm Stone / Peaceful Strength" Fortissax: "Strong Stone / Brave Rock" Gransax: "Grand Stone / BIG ROCK" Lansseax: "Spear Stone / Sharp Rock" The different spelling for Lan might be because she's female, too. But again all of this is just speculation.

[@stanisrafu5819]

In early Roman Latin C is K, so ye more right way to pronounce it with "c" as "K".

[@stanisrafu5819]

@@SilverMont Greyoll is the mother of all lesser mortal dragons. Placidusax probably lived long before Greyoll was born, but due to anatomy and development Placidusax is younger, than all other Ancient Dragons, cause Placidusax look is closer to Mortal Dragons than Ancient, that means Placidusax's speacies were the passing link between Ancient and Present Mortal dragons. Plus Placidusax's body has Male and Female heads. I think Placidusax was very qualitatively grafted in order to become an Elden Lord.

[@Skrallizar]

I just assumed it was pronounced "plaseedusax", but I never had any special reason for it. Given Elden Ring's other dragons, it would logically make sense to just follow their language roots and use that. So "plakeydusax" seems to be the more accurate. I'll probably end up keep using the "wrong" version still, since I've illogically gotten attatched to it. Unless Fromsoftware does as Pokémon with Arceus by giving a clear official way to say it (Ar-key-us btw, since Ar-sea-us sounds similar to british "arse").

[@sethlowen2303]

The way I understand it, the gods didn’t fear Kalameet more than Midir because he was stronger. It was because they found and raised Midir from a young age. He is a descendant of the ancient dragons after all. Perhaps they even found him as an egg. You should rightly fear a wild wolf, but one can also be taken as a pup and trained. It doesn’t mean the trained one is inherently weaker.

[@brettonalwood4173]

Seath is immortal because of his crystal, the ancient dragon god is largely destroyed by giant magical ballista, the divine dragon is also immortal except is you use the immortal killing blade. So if the others are killed by very normal means so I think it's between these three.

[@jacquestheripper666]

Ur right imo, lightning cooks dragons in souls too i honestly dont know why he didnt think the dragon controls the lighting.

[@SilverMont]

The Divine Dragon? I mean the lightning is just sort of there, I'm not saying he DIDN'T control them but he's not straight up firing it from his hands at you

[@AskwhoQ]

@@SilverMontI think he summons the lightning on the branches we use to reflect it back at him. It’d be difficult to direct the lightning directly onto sekiro due to his small frame while he’s running around, so I just assume he summons lightning down onto him whenever he jumps onto a branch.

[@Gorlami90]

Divine dragon doesn’t actually die. We only get his tears but he doesn’t die

[@jacquestheripper666]

@@SilverMont I know this was like a week ago, but the lightning stops after you defeat him

[@Battleguild]

Seath the Scaleless with prep time.

[@SilverMont]

I feel like Midir would eat him. Suck him up like a noodle.

[@brandanimations3790]

Prep time strategy never fails.

[@Cayden.1]

​@@SilverMont yeah but eating an immortal who can blast you with crystal magic that has cursed magic will destroy his insides and kill him

[@Battleguild]

@@SilverMont Well, Seath did co-orchestrated Midir's enslavement to the gods of Anor Londo, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did have a contingency plan against Midir fleeing the Ringed City. He even has his daughter Shira keeping an eye on him the whole time during her stay at the Ringed City. Despite losing to the Chosen Undead, Seath's contingencies held up fairly well against an entity that could endlessly respawn and could eventually find the weak points of his defenses all things considered. Unless the Primordial Crystal is broken somehow, Seath could realistically defeat nearly any single foe through attrition.

[@ShadeStormXD]

he didnt even beat my naked ass with prep time

[@xsubzerox3412]

The gods feared kalameet cause it was a stray dragon and immune to lightning, their main thing, they just didnt wanna bother with it, if they really wanted to i feel they couldve, gough easily snipes his ass, and hes blind. Midir was raised by the gods themselves and was a protector of gwyn's child fillianore. Dude is an ally why would they be afraid, maybe they were afraid and thats why they sealed him along with the pigmy lords in the ringed city.

[@SilverMont]

Well, Gough snipes him down pretty easily but he also says "Even mighty Anor Londo dared not provoke his ire" or whatever. Makes it sound like he was more than a pest they couldn't be bothered to deal with.

[@TheRealJohnux]

Another thing about Midirs Design, they didn't just "raise" him, they trained the poor thing like a bloodhound, they even cut out his tounge. F*ck the gods.

[@SilverMont]

They used him as a giant figurative vacuum cleaner and it's possible that Kalameet is directly responsible for that. Big supposition, but if they saw Kalameet being relatively unaffected by the Abyss in Oolacile, maybe they went "wot if we gots a dragon and made im suk up the abyss"

[@gabbycal]

Placidusax beats every other dragon because of time power. His scales twist time and he lives in a timeless realm.

[@gabbycal]

Placi also both male and female. :) there is a Zullie video on it.😊

[@SilverMont]

Well it's hard to say how those powers might manifest, but given how strong he is, even missing some heads, he's clearly pretty powerful!

[@Canaanitebabyeater]

Peak Placi could deck on all of them, but the state the player finds him in is far from his peak.

[@thanhvu2377]

A dragon is fine too

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

I'd also argue that we encounter weakened old placidusax who only has 2 of his 5 heads left. Imagine how strong he was when he was the Elden Lord with all five heads.

[@darkschneider5269]

Placidusax is basically shin King Ghidorah so it should be strongest

[@ShadeStormXD]

2:37 > "radahns holding of the stars was more symbolic and figurative" > kill him and all of a sudden thousands of celestial bodies start to fall from the fucking sky yah sure bud, figurative & symbolic

[@SilverMont]

Those are figurative stars, I didn't think that point was unclear. They are very small objects in the stratosphere. I'm not sure what's confusing about that. Sure, in the world of Elden Ring, people may call them "stars" but they aren't real world stars. So people acting like Radahn can control the sun are likely incorrect.

[@achimpanzee9210]

@@SilverMontdo you think it’s possible that we only *seen* those rocky objects instead of stars? I mean that he could’ve been holding stars in their place and when he was slain we only seen meteors and other stuff

[@austinnelson9024]

3:22 at first I heard "feet", and I’m sure that’d be a metric if Miyazaki were ranking them.

[@SilverMont]

He does enjoy those.

[@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub]

Midir S tier feet

[@Dracoward]

This mf calling Placidusax "Plakeydasax" hurts my bones.💀

[@SilverMont]

Oh, and how would you say it? I'm going by the phonetic Japanese, considering nobody ever says it in game and it's not a real word.

[@sorath1396]

I say both pronunciations are valid.

[@TrueNamelessOne]

​@@SilverMontSaxophone, dummy

[@TheGoodCrusader]

​@@SilverMontI figured it would be pronounced placid-u-sax

[@blank_9565]

Flaccidusax

[@theTarnished46]

Placidusax had 5 heads. He is missing 3

[@soulpunisher743]

I still want to know who or what cut them

[@theTarnished46]

@@soulpunisher743 he most likely lost them in the war with Marika and the golden order This is from the wikis and lore I know so not official

[@SilverMont]

That's one of those things we'll never know! Maybe Serrosh nibbled them off.

[@soulpunisher743]

@@SilverMont I had a theory that Astel cut them because if you read the description of the ruin fragments it talks about how he possibly came crashing down and destroyed their home which is why you see pieces of ruin rubble scattered across the game not sure if it’s right or not

[@SilverMont]

That would be another reason to hate the Astel.

[@ivanayala2715]

Placidusax time powers are more of a lore and pasive thing, his scales alter time and space and tecnically take away the inmortality of even gods, according to Hewg quest thats why we supposedly can kill Radagon/Elden beast, so that kinda negates the inmortality of the others dragons too

[@philhumphries2837]

Most pleasant voice in the biz x

[@yewlin6536]

amazing video！ thank you silver mont

[@BadSen_]

Does anyone else remember the dead dragon in ds3 that you can see at dragon peak. You get the view at the altar where the level ends and you get the dragon torso. That dude was as big as a mountain.

[@miimiibeschde4818]

I remember Lizard ahead

[@VioletSilence]

!!ALERT!! Author is a lore peasant! There's nothing "symbolic" or "figurative" about Radahn holding back the stars. He literally holds them in place with his gravitational powers, preventing them from moving by their galactic orbits.

[@crushcreate1461]

Elden Ring vastly out scales every other modern Fromsoft game. You have the Radahn statement, which is a good marker for power level when discussing shard bearers. However, the top tiers of Elden Ring completely eclipse this. The Elden Ring governs the laws of reality, so the four Elden Lords, Placidusax, Radagon, Godfrey, and the Tarnished, all have that ability. Obviously Elden Beast scales above that with the Tarnished themselves being top of the verse. The argument for infinite speed Placidusax also isn't based off teleportation like described here, it is based on the arena you fight in being outside of time. It's not even really infinite speed, but irrelevant speed. Infinite speed is movement over 0 time. Time isn't even a concept where you fight Placidusax, so it's an even better feat in reality.

[@stanisrafu5819]

BTW Placidusax does control weather around him, not talking about lightning bending, in second phase Lightnings on the background stop and begins Rain, which raises recieving Lightning damage, logicly enhancing Placidusax.

[@afrokoku-jin5161]

The stars in Elden Ring are more akin to meteors. Halting thousands of meteors is still an insane feat for Radahn

[@SilverMont]

Oh for sure. I do think Radahn lives up to his title as the strongest demi-god. I just wanted to use that as an example of how some people seem to misintrepret certain things in games. Like saying Sephiroth can destroy a whole solar system 'cos of supernova. Even though it would invalidate the entire point of FF7 which was him getting the black materia.

[@yokoyokome5281]

My girl cross breed priscilla has life hunt ^^!!! But dragon white n black fatalis possible can destroy all DS dragons. If you read there lore. And you have FF and granblue bahumat

[@SilverMont]

Haha FFXIV Elder Primal Bahamut is VERY big.

[@notk____2328]

The dragon from sekrio is immortal... just putting that out there Edit: you get his tears but he never dies, it’s also what makes sekiro and the devine heir immortal, and the water that flows from the dragon gives a false immortality to the people who drink it, like genichiro, the headless ape, and the monks from sempu temple. The only reason you can even damage the dragon is because you have the immortal blade, but you still aren't able to kill it, so even if plasijisax (bad spelling, i know) can warp time he still can't kill the divine dragonm

[@SilverMont]

Yeah they might not be able to kill it, but would that mean it can beat them? For these purposes, being able to seal away or defeat the other might work?

[@3einEye]

I am by no means a lore expert, But I feel like Seathe (if we factor the primordial crystal) is the strongest DS1 dragon. He is stated to be the grandfather of sorcery, and said sorcery was said to rival Gwyn's powers, and by extension the other lords.

[@SilverMont]

I guess it depends on how weak the other dragons are to sorcery! He does have experience backstabbing other dragons too, we can assume

[@zanemob1429]

The “Grandfather of All Sorcery”’is confirmed to be a mistranslation. The Japanese text apparently reads he is a founder.

[@Aerowarrier]

Honestly I would argue Fortissax might be stronger than Placidussax now that he’s lost most of his heads, especially given how Fortissax has taken on aspects of the god of Death within himself, and has been resisting its corruption for who knows how many years to the point that we are sent as a hit squad by Fia to kill him so she can succeed in her goal

[@SilverMont]

Yeah if it wasn't Placidusax, then it'd be Fortisax or Gransax - but the latter of those is dead now so we can't really see what he could do

[@JesterBM]

the gaping dragon was asurvivor of the war between them and gwyn not a descendant. the dragons DO get warped and changed like you said which may be why some drgons have souls as the series progresses

[@SilverMont]

Why do you think that? The game says: "the Gaping Dragon, a distant, deformed descendant of the everlasting dragons." The Japanese version of that seems to back it up, too? "異形となった朽ちぬ古竜の子孫" | Descendants of the ancient dragon who became grotesque. "子孫" (shison), which translates directly to "descendants." Apparently. I don't speak Japanese though.

[@JesterBM]

@@SilverMont you were right in the video my own brain lied to me. My apologies brother

[@gauvainhawk3380]

Are we only looking through the lense of whenever we fight them? Because my two personal top contenders would be an unrestricted Demon's souls dragon god (it very much can fly by the way as shown by the intro cutscene) and Placidusax at his prime with all his heads

[@SilverMont]

Oh you think that big flying thing in the intro was the dragon god? Was that ever confirmed anywhere? I assumed that was something else haha.

[@gauvainhawk3380]

@@SilverMont In the original as far as I know it was only strongly implied (but never confirmed) by the facts he's the last thing we see in that intro (so from a cinematographic/storytelling perspective it would feel appropriate for that first shot to also be him) and the only entity we come across ingame that fits the bill. But in Bluepoint's remake it's no longer merely an implication, we actually see his silhouette flying in the mist in the last scene right before doing his colossal titan impression haha

[@cartooncritique6625]

11:11 That's a lot of saxs! 😄

[@davidnewhart2533]

2:23 Even with that power, Radahn wouldn't even be close to the strongest of fictional characters.

[@SilverMont]

Relatively speaking he would. Sure, there's characters who can fart and delete all of existence but that's not exactly a majority of fictional characters. Someone who could cause a universe wide calamity would be pretty strong but the whole point is that it's not literal that he can "stop" stars, not in the sense that the stars are suns etc Using gravity magic to stop some falling "star" beasts? Sure.

[@Terminator-ht3sx]

@@SilverMontgood bud but how you gonna say radahns power isn’t liter when u kill him instantly the stars start flying as he had gravity magic and gravity is just the curvature of spacetime. so idk how you arrive at the conclusion his power wasn’t literal or that he could cause a universe supernova based on this power huh lol

[@SilverMont]

Those aren't literal stars that he's manipulating, basically. At most they are asteroids or comets.

[@ryandavid1277]

@@SilverMont I need to look for your strongest Souls character video if there is one. I have been debating that the Hunter is the strongest because of who he killed etc, and attacks like a Call Beyond. Would love to see your thoughts.

[@Terminator-ht3sx]

@@SilverMont i rewatched the cutscene and you’re right forgive my brashness. you can see what are clearly stars in the cutscene and they don’t fly

[@riccard1n0]

In some parts i don't get the logic of the video tbh. First, we say to not use the game mechanics, as for health pool or damage they make in game, yet we use the status effect of the game? I understand DS Dragons weak to lightning, because that is clearly implied in the lore, but them weak to other type of status effect or with defense to some in the gameplay doesn't really mean they actually have it canonically. I understand not wanting to use serrament about a character having some abilities since it could be hyperboilic or something else, but items description are the lore of the game itself, they cane be taken literally tje statements (Radhan holding all the stars, even seen in the cutscene and lore) so i do think that Placidusax along with the other ancients Dragons of both DS and ER, have time manipulation or transcendence. But overall i agree with the video, Great job in researching the lore

[@SilverMont]

I think most resistances can be taken as mostly canon, and so can stats, relative to that game. It's just that numbers got higher over time. Radahn... Well, he held "the stars" but they aren't literal stars, as in suns. He held back the stars that are tied to fate, which I feel like are probably falling star beasts or something. Either way we see one fall after he dies and it's a pretty tiny rock, as it just made a small hole instead of like, demolishing the entire continent haha. And just as an added thing, none of that's a slight against him. Radahn is one of my faves and I do think he's the strongest demigod.

[@riccard1n0]

@@SilverMont They are stars, as that is stated multiple times both by in game NPC, and items description. He held back stars, Meteorite and Astel entities. What hit the Land Between was a meteorite, yes, but strong enough to keep having a gravitational effect on the Land Between (all the rock Flying). And no, in game stats scaling or resistance does not scale to the Canon of the character if not stated somewhere in the Lore. Midir and ancients Dragons are stated to be weak to lightning the lore and items description, making his High damage to lightning effect normal. But if we take a enemy/boss, that for no reason at all has resistence or no resistence to a certain in game stats, assuming that in the Canon of said enemy/boss, he was weak to that stat is wrong, since Gameplay ≠ story/lore

[@riccard1n0]

@@SilverMont In the game cut data, we can see how Because of Radhan Astel entity are held back from coming to the Land Between, and in item descriptions, Astel is, well, a Star, that was born in the Void. So another evidence of Radhan able to control being that can be scaled to what a Star actually is. But even then, the cutscene Pretty much show him controlling the movement of stars, assuming that all of those were just meteorites makes no sense, + all the NPC statements...

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

Seath is like Batman, what he lacks in power he makes up for with contingencies and allies. He is the reason the Everlasting Dragons lost the war, so it's arguably him. If we're getting into pure power dynamics, I mean Gransax is city sized and could use red lightning to nuke people. Placidusax was an Elden Lord and he's missing three heads when WE encounter him. Prime Placidusax was undoubtedly well-deserving of his title of "Dragonlord". Of course then there's Midir...who in addition to being an everlasting dragon (or the closest thing we see to one) also gained the power of the abyss and is the hardest dragon to fight in any of these games. My ranking goes: 1. Seath (with prep time) 2. Prime Placidusax 3. Gransax 4. Midir 5. Kalameet.

[@SilverMont]

Yeah if Seath had time to study and observe the others, he might be able to analyse their weaknesses and come up with a counter for them. Assuming they have weaknesses. I do think you are slightly underselling Kalameet though - the fact that a city founded by dragonslayers didn't want to antagonise him, I think says a lot! He's just kind of a pushover in the game. But if Dark Souls III / I swapped places, Midir would be the pushover and Kalameet would be the nutty one no doubt.

[@Zakariyasen]

Midir is the most aggressive out of all of them and I was never able to actually beat him on my own. Its Midir.

[@SilverMont]

I'd say he was the hardest fight, yeah

[@everest9165]

MIDIR isn’t weak to lightning at all!!! Everyone is sleeping on Midir, he’s actually just resistant to literally everything OTHER than lightning. Lightning does neutral damage 💀

[@TheRealJohnux]

Yeah, Midir is the most dragon to ever dragon in the entire roster of Games. Great fight overall.

[@Zakariyasen]

@@TheRealJohnux In other words Midir is one of the Dragons of All time

[@TheRealJohnux]

@@Zakariyasen Yes.

[@slightlytwistedagain]

When it comes to dragons in Dark Souls, they are of the quintessence so they can exist for eternity without a soul, but they can become vessels for souls that can also corrupt their form. Dragons being malleable to souls is a good way of putting it, and all dragons that came after the advent of fire have never been a perfect representation of the Everlasting Dragons. When it comes to Sinh, what's your opinion on the poison within him? I'm of the opinion that Sinh is a survivor of the great war with Nito being the only one that managed to inflict him with a miasma of poison. I don't think the priestesses or Elana sang poison into his heart, they appear to be doing it to comfort him and to prepare for revenge against all the Drakeboods.

[@jonathanjoestar2122]

It’s actually confrimed in the Elden ring dlc, it’s not Godfrey who fought placidusax, it was during the war ages ago, one of placidusax companions bayle another extremely ancient and powerful dragon which betrayed him and attacked him out of nowhere, which resulted in mutual injury. Placidusax was lord before the age of the erdtree and golden order, another item before the age before the golden order was when outer gods struggled for control meaning prime placidusax was likely in the war. The ‘storm lord’ Godfrey fought was a giant bird. It’s stated in the shadows of the erdtree, the dragon cult lady, stated bayle is the vilest and oldest, placidusax was the first ever, he was there since the very beginning. I think it’s fair to give placidusax resistance, he’s more vulnerable to resistance because of the state he’s in. I also think placidusax was significantly bigger in his prime, the version we see is very tangled, withered skinny like its only bones left. Placidusax can manipulate time and space to some extent. If you also look at midair vs placidusax on KZbin, there size are pretty similar, and they are both significantly bigger than kalameet

[@SilverMont]

Indeed! It's cool to learn more about him - we even learned how his name is pronounced!

[@jonathanjoestar2122]

@@SilverMont People also confuse placidusax as a consort, Godfrey was a consort for marika, placidusax was directly connected and affiliated with the outer god, he even battled alongside he/her

[@Grim-dd9yf]

Halting stars wouldn’t make him a top tier in fiction

[@SilverMont]

If you could halt the uh, velocity or the fission of every star/sun, that would comparatively make you one of the strongest people alive because you could destroy the entire galaxy/universe. Sure there's stronger things out there, but relatively speaking, once you're at that point of scale it doesn't matter. If I drop a nuke on you or 10000 nukes on you, it doesn't really matter to you, etc.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

I like how the Seikero dragon wields a sword similar in design to the one used in Demon Sword (from Techmo, a really old NES game).

[@SilverMont]

I think it's a famous Korean / Japanese sword, the seven branched one.

[@snsbsbsbdnsjdvsbsjzjv7870]

If we are talking lore wise the strongest will be dragon god If we talking gameplay wise the strongest is midir without a doubt You really under selling midir in the video He has the best defences by far with insane damage output and he is the most aggressive among these dragons and the largest one if we don't count the dragon god and the divine dragon and saying midir is weak to lightning is an overstatement He is in fact more resistance to lightning than even palcidusax Midir has 60% reduction to lightning damage compare to placi 40% There are two channels on KZbin who ported midir to elden ring and put him against placidusax and he absolutely defeated placi dealing some 8k to 10k damage with his lazer and combos so yeah I will say he is the strongest for now unless a stronger dragon comes in the elden ring dlc

[@TheRealJohnux]

I wonder how they would Show an even stronger dragon in ER. I mean, Fortissax lorewise Was apparantly the strongest of the ancient dragons, placi went into sleep Mode, grandsax is dead, so if they aren't pulling a hydra with wings I don't know what to put in the DLC. Which reminds me,why does only DS1 have Hydras? They never went back to that enemy concept.

[@ravensmansand8285]

I like ancient dragon from ds2, quite the charmer 😚

[@Beastlango]

When you have fire, Godzilla breath, and a nuke then your probably the winner when you think game play ability side

[@Lakanus]

Yeah by gameplay and "stats" the top 3 are Placidusax, Ancient Dragon and then Midir. Lore-wise no idea but Elden Ring probably still wins.

[@SilverMont]

Elden Ring is on a different and larger scale, yeah. In that sense I think it goes ER > Souls > BB > Sekiro.

[@victorwoozy5143]

Big text ahead: Placidusax is like Queen Marika, she serves as a vessel of the great will, the elden beast being God. Placidusax is the representative of the ancient dragon god who abandoned them, so Placidusax locked himself in the timeless storm waiting for his god. In the war against ancient dragons gransax died and fortisax became friends with godwyn also maybe it was godfrey who cut some of his heads in the boss fight he use laser beam breath,lighting,can turn his body in some cloud form and teleport can use lighting to form weapons and last but not less he can charge various lighting to drop a nuke. With all say my bet is on him (I only played elden ring be free to correct me if i say something wrong[i really like his lore and boss fight])

[@Skrallizar]

To me the answer seems complicated. The Divine Dragon seems to be truly Immortal, able to exist as long as time itself exists, which is a "strong" ability, but it's not a raw destructive power, making it hard to call it the "Strongest", instead just "hardest to kill yet reasonably difficult to defeat". Placidusax has lost it's god, similar to Godrey being banished from the Lands Between and losing his connection to Marika, who is called a true god (though not Outer God) by Enya, the finger reader. This must have had SOME effect on Placidusax's power, weakening it. And item descriptions uses the word "said" when talking about waiting in the Storm Beyond Time, and while we really do find it there, it's unclear if it was a concious choice to use "time powers" do so or if it's just the strange and as of yet poorly explained power of Farum Azula itself. So the Dragonlord is really strong and the Gransax spear nuke attack is destructive, but its hard to say if they're really the "Strongest". With what little we know about the Dragon God from Demon Souls', it, along with pretty much all the demons, is that it's the power of the Demon Soul (whatever that truly means) that has made legends real, but it's not a true "god" any more than the Stormlord. So it might have the most destructive powers, yet it hasn't broken out and caused widespread desolation, and it's quite easy to kill it, since the legends about it are implied to include the ballistae we use to kill it. Maybe 1st place, probably 2nd place. Kalameet and Midir are restrained by their own goals and desires, making it really hard to gauge their true power, but we kill them all the same, a single undead whose super power is "always coming back after dying as long as they don't give up". If Kalameet was truly as scary as the lore make him to be then he would be stronger than Midir, since Midir is not a proper Ancient Dragon but a descendant. Sinh is never called or even implied to be a surviving Ancient Dragon, and he's certainly strong against mortal humans (and similar species, Dark Souls is strange) because of his toxic breath, but I'd hesitate to compare him to Kalameet or Midir. In the end, if raw destructive power was all that mattered, then I would say Granssax was the strongest and the Dragon God was number two, but if we include how hard they are to kill then I would put Placidusax as first and Divine Dragon second, but without something like the Mortal Blade to even things out, then Divine Dragon is "hardest to defeat" and the Dragon God would be Strongest.

[@moriaman2696]

Placidusax cant teleport if he's stunned, and Midir has black flame, which stance breaks like hell. Also, his black flame may well do the percentage damage against placid.

[@nobodyimportant4778]

9:34 or it's a piece of lordsoul gwyn gave the at-the-time benevolent midir to make him stronger? Same as you can crush or convert the souls of the lords of cinder into weapons but still burn their "souls" as sacrifice to help kindle the first flame. The boss souls being "theirs" in terms of possession, and the ones burned in their remains being their literal intrinsic consciousness. You seem hung up on the gods using midir, but his boss soul description states he was raised by them. Not some malevolent entity beaten and forced to work for his captors.

[@duckyy8655]

Midir.

[@s.e.n3264]

Kalameet

[@Touma134]

Elden Rings world is a world where astrology exists. There is no reason to believe he didn't legitimately hold back the stars which are tied to destiny. And we get a physical example of it being literal after astel falls into the ground nuking the mist woods. Radahn is just that powerful only bested because Malenia nuked him at point blank range.

[@SilverMont]

Right, an Astel falls into Limgrave. But that isn't the same thing as a sun/star. That's the main point I'm making. Radahn held back "the stars" but 'stars' in this instance most likely refers to those space-faring entities. Not giant balls of plasma.

[@jack868-of-carim]

midir can literally manifest his thoughts + is stated to be an archdragon ( stated by the moonlight greatsword spell + midir spell ) the dragon god can control impossibilities so in terms of abilities dark souls and DeS dragon are stronger than elden ring and iirc sinh destroyed an entire country

[@jack868-of-carim]

P.S im lazy to explain every lorewise advantage and disadvantage of each dragon

[@blizzardgaming7070]

​@@jack868-of-carimplus sihn survived getting completely impaled by a spear.

[@gabbycal]

Placidusax is able to passively twist time.

[@jack868-of-carim]

@@gabbycal never stated anywhere therefore untrue

[@gabbycal]

@@jack868-of-carim it is stated in the final smithing material’s description. The stones you use to craft are Placidusax’s scales.

[@HPLovesCraftsCat]

forgot the dragon god from des he'd wipe the floor and just stomp on them all lol

[@SilverMont]

Potentially, yeah. If only we knew more about him. That's the issue with including DeS in these - so little to go on!

[@HPLovesCraftsCat]

@@SilverMont hopefully the new lokey book comimg out soon reveals some much needed info!

[@IB-C05.VEL242]

Placidusax also have scales that have the property to creates weapons that can kill a god, + he have 5 heads in total, I think in his peak he would've solo'd everyone, but now I don't k'ow enough of the others to say in its current state with only two old heads 😕

[@IB-C05.VEL242]

Sadly nothing tells us what cut his 3 heads off 😕 maybe godfrey or godwyn...maybe the "storm lord" or an unknown entity, but it's all headcanon. What is sure is that the one who did it may probably be reaaaallly powerful, maybe it's the reason his god flew away... Could it be the blind swordsman ? It is the only one except us that could harm a god (the rot one)... That is all mystery around our old dragon

[@everest9165]

Midir is the clear winner in my opinion, he has brute strength and health to beat Kalameet and he isn’t weak to lightning, just immune/resistant to everything else. If Placidusax’s missing head isn’t an indicator that he’s very much not the top dragon, idk what is

[@syphonexp4695]

2:41 in the end of fight cutscene the stars literally start to move again and they’re a even a meteor that comes down, so yes he’s possibly one of the strongest characters in the souls series and most likely at his peak the most powerful character in elden ring maybe besides the outer gods but even then those are less gods and more like powerful aliens

[@syphonexp4695]

Note holding the stars is by far no easy feat for him considering he “””technically””” lost against malenia which literally wouldn’t happen if he wasn’t holding them back because he’s literally called the strongest Demi god

[@SilverMont]

He's got very powerful gravity magic, yeah - but he's using it to stop the equivalent of big rocks, not stars. I'm not saying he's not strong, he's not just THAT strong. I do think he's the strongest demigod, as he's referred to.

[@shawon2907]

Bayle the dread left the chat

[@SilverMont]

He got clowned by Placcy, but yeah had the DLC existed at this time, I would've of course mentioned him

[@xsubzerox3412]

Non of the dragons in dark souls and ds2 are true ancient dragons, they all can breath fire of some kind, fire didnt exist before the first flame, these are all decendants imbued with souls and magic.

[@SilverMont]

Maybe Kalameet is just blasting out his super stanky breath

[@alexsookhoo9919]

i dunno who is the strongest, but my fave dragon from all of dark souls is Sinh the slumbering dragon.

[@Christian-o8t9n]

Plah-sih-joo-saks

[@anima4real866]

If seath keeps his crystal hiden from the other dragons then he would win because he would be immortal. But For sure the placidusax

[@SilverMont]

Can he move the crystal, I wonder? Or is he bound to that cave? No need to fight by it, but he probably doesn't want to leave it because he's cautious.. That was my thinking, that he stayed close out of fear someone would boink his crystal. Either way it gives him both a unique advantage and disadvantage, as a largely stationary dragon. Same as DD and Dragon God.

[@jameskelly945]

Placidusax DOES control time albeit barely in his decaying form he was known as the first God of the erdtree. He used to be or still is a diminished God so ofc why wouldn't he be able to control/warp time. we see this clearly in the game

[@SilverMont]

He was an Elden Lord, who served an unnamed god, iirc?

[@Gorlami90]

What about the only ancient dragon in ds1 in ash lake. I guess it’s hard to tell how powerful he is but from my knowledge he is indeed an ancient dragon

[@SilverMont]

Yeah it's hard to judge as it just sits there haha

[@jakubletsplays8845]

Divine dragon because he is litterly immortal and you cant kill him

[@SilverMont]

But that doesn't mean he can win, either! Like, I could be made immortal but I wouldn't be able to beat like, a heavyweight boxer haha

[@Auvisome]

All victims to Alatreon

[@SilverMont]

Alatreon bows to the Emperor of Elder Dragons. And to Fatalis.

[@EmperorPenguinn]

I'm curious how a dragon or a dragon-like being fromsoft could've created on bloodborne.

[@SilverMont]

I don't know anything about Lovecraft for the most part - are there any "dragons" in it? Or dragon-likes? But if I had to guess, I would imagine it'd be like... Gaping Dragon in BB? haha

[@EmperorPenguinn]

@@SilverMont oh for sure you could switch gaping dragon with any boss in bloodborne and no one would think it's out of place lol. I would think a morphed dragon like 2 heads and is constantly screaming in your face and spewing blood all over the place. Honestly even kinda like oceiros will feel right at home on bloodborne

[@SoulsborneSage]

I always wonder if placidusax is as powerful as he is when we encounter him, how powerful was he as the first elden lord, also i feel like if granssax was alive i feel he would be the strongest

[@SilverMont]

It does kinda look like he tried to solo Leyndell. Which is crazy. I wonder how they beat him, given his death pose. Maybe Marika petrified him haha

[@SoulsborneSage]

@SilverMont However they did it I'm sure it was quite a battle

[@Xenaphax]

I wish Gransax got more love

[@SilverMont]

I wonder if we'll learn anything more about him in the dlc. That'd be nice

[@msarilyn7677]

Darkeater Midir.

[@personguy4284]

Kalameet has 3 eyes

[@SilverMont]

I think they call him the "one eyed dragon" because it LOOKS like he has one piercing red eye. Biologically, that might not even be an eye.

[@personguy4284]

Oh woah I never actually considered the possibility that it wasn't an eye. You're right could just be a a special "calamity" organ and because it's on his forehead it's deemed as an eye. I dunno if FromSoft intended it that way but a fun idea nonetheless.

[@Loverboychad]

your powerscaling interpretations were way off here but i still enjoyed the video.

[@SilverMont]

How so?

[@Loverboychad]

@SilverMont your assumption that a lot of statements aren't meant to be taken in a literal sense are somewhat misguided. your have to use the context, for example Radadhn is Said to hold back the stars, they aren't talking about him holding back all of the stars in space but rather the meteorites and space creatures that were trying to invade the lands between. the star creatures like Astel are capable of small form terraformation in a similar manner to the larger outer gods like the God of Scarlett rot or the Greater will. Radahn holding back beings capable or warping the environment around them is actually far more powerful than you'd think. the protagonist of each souls game aside from sekiro are all fighting to either destroy or replenish the order of an entire universe (dark souls) or planet/realm (elden ring) . in dark souls the first flame is what brought about the concepts of space and time to the everlasting world by introducing the cyclical nature of power that gwyn tried to stagnate (the first sin) beings like the ever lasting Dragons each had power that required the efforts of many of the gods to stand a chance at defeating (they would use lightning to peel their scales causing the Dragons to become vulnerable to the death brought into the world by the death soul of nito) the fact that the everlasting Dragons were born in a realm devoid of time and space and could only be killed by forces forged using parts of the first flame means that they transcends space and time. I hope that this makes sense, if not i can explain more, with that in mind I can say that midir is likely more powerful that calameet as he fought the more powerful protagonist, the ashen one . we know that the ashen one is more powerful because he is able to fight other lords of cinder who have all linked the fire through his journey. the first flame also gets weaker with each linking, meaning that it takes a larger soul to ignite it, and by the end of dark souls 3, the ashen one is already at least 8th or 9th in line for the linking of the fire and as a end game boss it is clear that midir is battling a far more powerful protagonist. elden lore is different because they also have conceptual manipulation so I can't speak on it but I think that as far as dark souls goes, Midir is the most powerful dragon, even if he was raised to be a slave to the gods.

[@Loverboychad]

@@SilverMont sorry lmao I wrote a lot

[@SilverMont]

That's more or less what I said in the video - Radahn isn't holding back literal stars, he's holding comparatively tiny "rocks" in the stratosphere or wherever, using gravity magic. There's a lot of people who think he can just "control" stars and throw them about like tennis balls or something. That's what I was referring to in the video, with that example.

[@batchagaloopytv5816]

Kalameet or Sinh imo😊

[@SilverMont]

It would be cool to see them having a high speed aerial battle

[@breachphoenix649]

My boi midir fitting to sweep

[@SilverMont]

He could do wrestling moves on the others, if all else fails.

[@katwatson5781]

good video but the way you say Placidusax makes me wanna pull my hair out. ive only heard people pronounce it pla-sid-u-sax

[@SilverMont]

Nobody pronounced it in the game so the nearest we have to go by is the Japanese spelling, which tends to be phonetic. Which is like "purakidusaksu" (paraphrasing as I'm on my phone) but I don't really care how people say it, I'll try to go by the nearest-to-official I can find, though. Like with Ornstine Vs Ornsteen stuff.

[@katwatson5781]

@@SilverMont i wasn't trying to be rude, i was mostly bewildered cuz as far as I'm aware the vast majority of the community pronounces it pla-sid-u-sax and this is the first time ive ever heard it pronounced even slightly different. not trying to rag on you. just wasn't sure if it was an accent thing

[@SilverMont]

If you are used to heariing something said one way, then it will sound weird to hear it another! I mean I'm totally used to that because I've heard my surname pronounced like 200 different ways. Also there's words like Worcester that exist to confound Americans. And Arkansas to do the same to English people.

[@Mushroom2626]

I rly need to play the rest of the fromsoft games TwT

[@SilverMont]

I hope you get around to it!

[@Mushroom2626]

@@SilverMont well dark souls just went on sale! So I’m probs gonna pick it up soon! :3

[@darkon1093]

good ahh video

[@haydenpalmer1094]

Strongest dragon is defo that red dragon in ds1 on the bridge who killed me like 20 times

[@SilverMont]

Haha, and he's not even a true dragon! Certainly a true douche though.

[@horse_dog]

i mean….ebrietas is *kind of* a dragon?

[@SilverMont]

Eeuugh. It's ugly. Dis-gus-tang!

[@natejohnson1083]

Haha thats the bloodborne representative i thought of too

[@jeronym894]

Kalameet is not ancient dragon thats mistranslated. And I tnink Midir would win. Why ? Becose lize speed, strenght is most important inanimal kingdom + his laser is really strong. YES Placidusax have stronger abilities and I belive that in his prime when he had 5 heads he is the strongest. And about the lore that they use midir to eat the dark for ever. Well he was raised by the gods of Anor Londo thy feed him and care about hem he love them probeby so he dos not have any reason to kill them . That dont make him weaker.

[@SilverMont]

Is it mistranslated? I don't speak Japanese but I ran the items through a bunch of translators and they did seem to imply he was, at least.

[@jeronym894]

also midir has 4 wings like ancient dragons and double round teath like them . Hes skeleton looks like them too.

[@jeronym894]

@@SilverMont I think its from this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/epK6p2NorpZssJI&lc=UgzBMhh3TDLAyoHTbWh4AaABAg.A2_2JfYIhDKA2_Wa0pBdtn&ab_channel=SilverMont

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Lorewise i gotta give it to kalameet for dark souls

[@Siculidee]

I’ve always tried to gone towards a more Latin or French sound, like Pl-Ah-sid-do-say, Lan-see-A (long A like in cake) Gran-say and Four-Tis-Say (both with retro flex trill) (the rolled r sound for those who didn’t know what I meant. It annoys me that we never get conformation on the pronunciation of the more exotic names in this game. Great video as always my friend. Btw, you’ve got my best friend (who isn’t a gamer) interested in the lore of this game 🫱🏾‍🫲🏽🥂

[@SilverMont]

That's actually close to how I thought they kinda were! Like I thought she was "Lan-so" in a kinda French way. But the phonetic spelling does suggest she's Lan-sax. We need an NPC to say the names in the DLC!