Shadow Priest Feedback - Dragonflight 10.1

[@djb1021993]

I'd like to see a talent that generates insanity up to 50 at the start of combat. Similar to bookin or warlock shards. I hate starting from 0 insanity.

[@coreykimbler5188]

Oooorrrrr what about making mind spike instant cast either baseline or with stacking procs, and mind flay insanity chanellable while moving ffs

[@michaelvittori8525]

100% this bro.

[@GhlyMasta]

You pretty much nailed the concerns the community has been having. Overall I like the direction, especially the new Screams of the Void. More emphasis on Dots is right up my alley. The biggest issue by far that I've noticed in testing is DoT uptime in large pulls. The period after dots fall and Shadow Crash is still on CD is brutal. The other issues with the spec are at least manageable, but this one is spec ruining on larger pulls. Im a huge fan of adjusting Mental Decay to work with Apparitions. It gives more emphasis to Apparitions and just generally smooths out the rotation.

[@TheSilverwing999]

Biggest way to solve the dot issue is to just decrease cooldown of shadow crash or give it 2 charges. Fixed

[@GhlyMasta]

@@TheSilverwing999 Luckily the PTR patch today reduced Shadow Crash to 20s, so that issue is mostly resolved I suppose. There were a few other changes that seem to smooth out the rotation a bit too, particularly in single target. Interesting stuff.

[@evanwoliver]

Something that would be interesting and I don't think has ever been done before in any of the DoT classes would be to have our DoTs not expire (ever) if the MoB crosses into execute range. It feels bad to have to apply DoTs to something that's about to die, and it would help reduce the need to blow crash towards the end of the pack so it will always be ready for the rest one.

[@gefferya]

I think you're hitting all the right points with the negatives of these changes. AoE dot uptime, movement, and insanity generation feels too slow outside cds now. I think shadow crash should have remained the same and an optional second node to give it a second charge would have been perfect. There are a lot of positives with the tree I agree with especially with spirits being more included and I love psychic link AoE focus. Also Void torrent being added to insidious Ire is so welcome, I personally love the playstyle of rewarding uptime on having all 3 dots up and hitting big mind blasts that cleave everything with VT. Doubling down on good play with Mastery.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Why do you think everything having to be funnelled through psychic link is a good thing? I see it as a bad thing tbh

[@gefferya]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 the funnel damage profile is far more useful in most dungeon and raid scenarios. I also find doing the single target rotation a more interesting way to do AoE than spam channeling mind sear. Also psychic link is one of the few dot cleaves that allows you to get your full aoe damage out without needing mobs to be tightly stacked, giving us a more distinct damage profile than most stack and cleave classes.

[@romepizza16]

​@@gefferya Do you not see the problem that the single target rotation would be pretty much the same as the aoe rotation if mind sear is removed? To be honest, I don't see a reason why doing our single target rotation would be any more interesting than having the aoe rotation with mind sear. I think the best would be to just give both to the players. Add mind sear somewhere at the bottom of the tree so players don't feel forced to play it and additionally add a talent (maybe at the bottom of the tree but on another side of mind sear) that enables psychic link to be affected by DP. I just cannot wrap my head around why they removed Mind sear, I loved it :(

[@gefferya]

@romepizza16 because mind sear was not interesting to play at all. Primal Council with Mind Sear in current build is pretty much spam Mind Sear/keep up dots and it gets boring pretty quick, at least for me. The damage profile is also just a generic AoE that requires the targets to have a tight stack. Psychic link allows you to AoE packs that are not tight stacked and you can funnel damage into a priority target which is a more unique and sought after damage profile especially in M+.

[@romepizza16]

@@gefferya I don't quite understand how you would spam Mind Sear since it is a spender. Did you not cast things like Mindblasts, Mind Spikes, Void Torrent, Mind Flay Insanity or Shadow Word Death? I hope I am not bother you, I was just really curious what you think about the fact that now that Mind Sear is gone you do exactly the same rotation in single target and multi target, you just switch target if your current target already has Devouring Plague applied to it.

[@phillipschmidt6295]

Spriest should get Door of shadows and during dispersion increase range and make it instant cast.

[@Abcdee8]

wouldn't mind a shadow clone that casts whilst you are using dispersion .

[@Korri1992]

I honestly dont like the changes at all...

[@johnniethomas3841]

I’d like them to keep the mind blast proc adding a charge and instant. It feel good. Personally I’d like shadow crash to not be a placed spell. Just dot one target then hit it and it spreads from around them. I have it macroed to cursor so I’ve hit a few unsuspecting trees and walls in those tight spots lol. It also sucks to use when the tank just pulls everything in random directions. But most importantly please change the sound of mind spike. It’s trash.

[@TheMMObro]

So in order to "streamline" our spec, they're making it more annoying to play. They're also taking options away from us in combat, i.e. moving and not having dark thoughts. I will add, not having mind sear will be more detrimental as well, bc now we have no reliable option vs big packs of quickly dying enemies. Spiders in smbg, imps on court, etc.. I'm aware these 2 dungeons are departing but it's still going to suck as a QOL loss in general. I personally love where shadow is right now, it's fun.. we have some overcapping issues and mind sear can be awkward sometimes, but I'd rather overcap than starve, and I'd rather have mind sear and not need it than vice versa

[@ryanjdevlin87]

Well said man my thoughts exactly

[@la7era1u54]

I've never seen them totally gut a class this bad. Especially part way through an expansion. 10.0- "Hey guys, check out all these cool new talents we made for you!" 10.1- "Hey guys, we're taking away all those cool new talents we gave you." Feels bad....Really bad

[@TheMMObro]

@LA7ERA1U5 yeah and like I don't wanna be a doomer, but this is accentuating our flaws. In order to dumb it down bc it's complicated, they're highlighting our weaknesses (dot uptime in aoe, for example).

[@aumer-amr]

The feedback is really good, and not just a rant like i've seen around. Perfect wording!

[@ryanjdevlin87]

I am very sad to see the way they have went with these changes, honestly only thing that needed to change was shadowfiend not being a 3min cd ... everything else I love about current shadow ... sadge times

[@MatthewNewman]

give SP shadow step or make dispersion let you also use a mechanic similar to shadow step where you move into an enemies or allies shadow..

[@SmugHomura]

The problem with differenciating Mind Spike and Mind Flay is that there's always going to be a best one just like 1-H vs 2-H choices for Frost DK and Fury Warrior. Personally I'd literally take a toggle between the spells over a seperate design because I think Mind Flay feels aweful to play. Channels in wow almost always feel bad to press. I respect its legacy but I'll pick Mind Spike any day of the week if I have the choice.

[@Kmaitland89]

So I said this on Kalamazi's video. Having a Single Target path and a AOE path is actually bad. Every class that is super meta can do BOTH. Splitting them out on the tree just means you can never get both. This is actually very bad. A thing Kalamazi also realized for Warlocks a bit late. It makes sense to do it, but actually is bad.

[@codysneaux3538]

I like the idea of making Shadowy Apparitions more of a thing. There has always been an issue in peoples minds of what SPriest is. Best examples "we are just worse affliction locks," "we are just fire mages now." Apparitions fit as something outside the "other classes do it better" mentality. I do feel like they need to fly faster still. Especially with this new set up.

[@la7era1u54]

Apparitions have always been really boring to me. Maybe if they had more interactions with other abilities I might feels different

[@sybinn3920]

my favorite form of priest was SL prepatch when you just vomited apparitions everywhere in aoe. it was so fun

[@avogel7937]

Spent about 7 hours on PTR, one thing i feel like is really not a good idea, is lowering our insanity generation This heavily

[@luuxii]

I love running and casting Shadowcrash at the same time as my camera and cursor clips into a roof or a tree and there it goes.

[@williamgunter1015]

Honestly I think they best first is remove Mind Melt and add surge of darkness. with Mind flay giving a Stat buff. also make Mind spike a choice node. You can have either damage + more mobility or more damage. one might get more value from Progression and other other more value from farm.

[@NolaNation13]

its crazy that this video is only 5 days old and they have already reduced shadow crash CD to 20 seconds

[@OMFGcataFAN1]

while i do think the changes are going in a good direction. i hope they do something for dots in aoe. i main a balance druid this tier, have geared my shadow priest though but so far only played the no mind sear build in m+ which seems to be the playstyle its heading towards in 10.1. anyway what i wanted to touch on is that for boomkin in aoe it feels nice since once our dots are up. starfall spam will just keep them up on all targets. shadow needs something like this. and yes stuff that you want to cast if/when you have to move is a big QoL to the feeling of playing a spec.

[@BlackxEmpeureur]

I agree with you on some part, but I think each class should feel different. A flaw of modern WoW is that every class has everything like they got blended together

[@OMFGcataFAN1]

@@BlackxEmpeureur they shouldnt make a class feel bad to play just to make it feel different. if thats the way you want to set a class apart, have fun playing it. ill play something else. i play pretty much all classes and i think they feel plenty different. as a base they might feel sort of similar. but when youre actually doing hard content and has to optimise dmg, class utility etc. every class feels wildly different. that doesnt mean you cant take the good stuff from other classes to improve QoL.

[@la7era1u54]

@@BlackxEmpeureur So now every class has everything....Except Spriest. Sounds wonderful

[@michaelgiger2532]

agree on most if not all points especially on the movement point it , dots management can also be a pain . What would think of something like MS:I making the mindspike more like a voidbolt in that its instant cast and also extends all active dots . then you have something that lets you do dmg when moving but also can be used help manage your aoe dots , i guess the issue would come in that it would more beneficial to just use it as soon as you get it rather then saving it for movement, but think would be an interesting possibility as well

[@evanwoliver]

I think the fix to DoTs could be to make mind flay: insanity spread dots the same way penance does. Shadow-Crash to get you started, and then as you're spending DP you can hardcast VT and then flay to spread it to two mobs with the lowest dot-uptime. You get close to 100% uptime this way, while still having to hard cast (which is what bilzz wants) but the time window it needs done over is extended (you don't have to hardcast 8 VTs all in a row, you can do it over 20 seconds) and you don't have to tab through all the targets... It also would give you a somewhat easy-ish way to deal with packs over 8 mobs. This also gives flay a distinction from spike. It's doubly nice because it's already a priest mechanic.

[@huzicogameplays]

I still don't understand why DA has a cast.

[@Publikwow]

good question

[@ziggs123]

need more insta damage, cba standing like a tree and casting mind spikes

[@nthnthms1212]

Blizz made it like affliction. No way to extend dots in an aoe situation. It feels so bad.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

100% agree. Affliction needs to stand still 2sec hardcast while 1000 affixes and swirls appear. This is why affliction is D tier on all tierlists.

[@ihatemondays2595]

maybe they could integrate mind sear into vampiric touch (replace psychic link) to where it does a blast of aoe damage and have the damage increased if the targets hit by the explosion are affected by v. touch. Or maybe make the c'thun tendrils increase dot timers

[@elcanaldelargan8575]

AoE through dotting has never worked very well for shadow, I do not think it will work this time either, but I suppose new devs need to make the old mistakes... again. You have touched most of the points I have, though I have a couple more (one in which I disagree with you). First, to begin doing AoE through Psychic Link, in every occasion (except star/halo, which are CDs), we need to press a button (with a looong CD), wait for a low velocity projectile to hit, and then use a single target spell, thats 3 - 4 GCS which, for mobs with low live, means our damage might be a total of 0. The second point is concerning Voidtouched, this talent had a lot of sense in shadowpriest previous iteration, but now that insanity is not going to be so easy to get, I'm not sure it will really be useful and fullfill the purpose and choice you think it will have.

[@Publikwow]

Definitely see what you mean on those points. What i will say about Voidtouched is it does effectively give you an ability to bank up burst/damage more so than we can today. So thats why i think even with the Insanity changes itll be received well.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Agree with you op. I think everything being funnelled for psychic link is bad. Ppl think blade flurry is cool. I do not see it that way especially bc psychic link does not work like blade flurry instantly

[@emensy]

I am sure they will address the dot extension, doing it trough apparitions would be great.

[@threeormorechar]

Negative feedback is still good feedback. Be less afraid to give negative feedback if that's what you feel.

[@marcprezeau4407]

Shadow crash I have never like it takes too long to travel and having to drop it like a totem is not great sometimes it wont drop right or you click a player and lose your target. I wish they made it cast at target and seek out that target

[@thelastspectre8141]

They should just make mind sear into a choice node with psychic link because the main problem was people trying to juggle a combination of a machine gun build with a channeling build which fights each other but if you separate the psychic link single target funnel playstyle with a full channeling mind sear/flay and torrent playstyle

[@Publikwow]

That might be something to explore but I fear the balancing of that would be tricky to pull off

[@thelastspectre8141]

@Publik I don't think it would be because how it is now is fine it may not do as much damage as trying to juggle psychic with mind sear but if they made mind sear soft cap after 8 instead of 5 OR if they are leaving it as is make shadow crash apply dots to all target but make psychic link deal 40% to 8 targets and like 20% of your single target damage beyond 8 so we still have that uncapped aoe feel, obviously the dots would do more damage so they would have to adjust that but then it would just be a matter of adjust the damage

[@fithliaf6823]

I keep saying they need to remove shadow crash with a 2 point node after misery. Spreading dots to 1/2 additional targets. So effectively in 3 gcd’s I could have dots on 9 targets. And refresh when needed.

[@evanwoliver]

This adds a lot of work to pick ones that haven't already got dots. Imagine tabbing through targets until you find one without dots or having to click nameplates. I'd rather see something like Disc has where you can spread your dots with your channel -- like they do with penance. That way, when it's time to refresh, you manually cast on one and flay to spread to two more. Then repeat. You've got the whole time you're channeling to find the next target you want to dot.

[@Lunatalli]

Oh yeah baby. If we convince them to give us surge of darkness back .. that would be so awesome. Seerless build is already giga good, so buffing that playstyle … Yes please.

[@bst857]

I really would prefer it if shadow crash was a spell which is applied to a target and explodes after 1-2s, instead of a slow moving projectile. Maybe having no cooldown and not generating any insanity also. Its not fair that we're dependant on the tank keeping a pack still so that we can do damage. Other classes which have similar spells aren't as affected, like if you miss a blizzard or rain of fire, at least you get to cast another one pretty fast. How comes unholy dk gets to press virulent plague and have a very powerful dot apply to a whole pack, with which they can then use to spam epidemic, while we have to aim stupid shadow crash, and if the tank decides the pack is going to get bigger 10s later, now we have to stop dpsing and start dotting up the new enemies one by one, and standing still amongst swirlies while we do it, just wasting loads of time and damage.

[@Deanshaw97]

Shadow crash must be reworked to prio higher health mobs imo as right now you are pre doting the main targets and sending shadow crash and it’s hiting all the things that die in the first 5 seconds really frustrating

[@kholio4377]

Or add if target dies the remaining dot damage is done as an aoe to the nearest 3 mobs. 🤷‍♂️ like an alley oop for lost damage.

[@09calz]

Great vid. For aoe dot refresh they could add a refresh onto halo but not apply new dots and make divine star apply new dots instead of refresh then you have a choice do you take star or halo for refresh or new packs

[@evanwoliver]

please don't make me use star. God i hate it. just remove it. Now that halo can't pull things not already aggro'd there is no reason for both to be in the game

[@kholio4377]

I miss the old warlock meta because during play you had 3 distinct styles in one fight. Normal. Meta. Execute. This could be adapted here to give SP a clearer flow. Maybe insanity takes a while to build up. Like 90secs. Then you Voidform and the rotation changes but not just a bolt/MB turret. This fixes button bloat because you can delineate VoidOnly spells. Execute: Mind flay is a softer filler ‘normally’ but in execute phase it becomes mind spike and has a +50% crit chance. On crit it spawns a void tendril. Idk. I liked the meta stance dance. I think SP could rock it. I think the Idols should be able to be reached in pairs. So any pathing allows you to get two of them. And should address each of aoe/st/burst/dot. So you can max st dots or burst aoe or burst st etc. As i said idk. But feels a very lost spec at the moment. Which is sad because all the elements are there to make it alpha. 😢

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

I hate this rework. Ruins the class to me tbh. They had a fun mobile interactive class and now they turn it into boring. Lots of problems. Also one slight note at the end. Why do the capstone talents HAVE to actively change the way you are playing? I think MOST classes don‘t have capstones that 180 your playstyle. Take destru locks capstones. They literally don‘t change a thing. But no one is crying about it. Why do people cry about those cool idols that are awesome. Even thematically? I love the idols they are cool and exciting (except ysharj is kinda meh)

[@krisCrashTV]

Even just a chance to extend with spirits/PL could work, after 20 seconds maybe half the mobs don't need refreshing. I know they gave 20 second crash but crash has its own problems. Also hope they do something to make void form valuable again.

[@destroy_television]

I boosted a Spriest a couple days ago. Haven't played one in years. Was bored with my Shaman. The class is so different than I remember. I find I'm struggling to keep up with others sometimes. Maybe I don't know the rotation correctly. But, it just feel as obvious what I should be doing since the last time I played one.

[@Tritonpools1981]

Would be nice to have an insanity spender that extends dots or just make shadow crash have 1 charge with the option to use insanity to bypass the charge.

[@cobblebottom8421]

thats all i want is another charge of Crash, or some CD reduction for it feels bad when your tank pulls 2 packs and its on cd.

[@TheWoWPVPAddict]

Shadow crash changes - gives 2 insanity per target hit, plus 5% CDR per target hit, up to a maximum of 10 targets Numbers may need tuning, but do you think this change could address a lot of the issues with multi dotting that spriest has? As a dot class would still force a "ramp" of sorts, but could allow for easier multi dotting maintenance

[@heirtothevoid]

Curious what you think about ignoring Mind Spike. Even in live I opt to ignore it - the animation doesn't feel impactful and shadowfrost makes no lore sense to me. I prefer to still use Mind Flay. I'd love for them to at least update some of the spells' visuals (primarily Dark Ascension and Mind Spike).

[@angrren]

Good summary, my mostly emotional thoughts: the entirety of shadowlands we had to cope with that awful variant of Mindsear. We finally get an impactful Mindsear for all of one patch and it gets taken away again, that feels awful, and it looks currently like we'll be hard casting sw:p to spread dots again? This is not fun, less so than when shadow crash misses a pack on a hill. Oh my aching fingers, let them hit some varied buttons...

[@martonjanos835]

If they take away ms they should replace it properly i think because i did good oe dmg with mind sear. I hope blizzard won’t fck up the aoe dmg because i really enjoyed shadow in dragonflight. I haven’t enjoyed it this much since legion.

[@VTZ190]

Not sure how anyone else feels, but I'm very tired of playing mindbender. With the new tier set in 10.1 why wouldn't you go mind bender and inescapable torment. We have these cool capstone talents and we are gunna have to play mind bender... again

[@accepting51]

I think the greater than 8 targets is intended. All of the other AOEs have reduced damage beyond 8 targets, and if we need to manually DoT over 8 targets then it lowers damage.

[@luuxii]

Make Devouring Plague cast reduce the CD on Shadowcrash by ~0,5s per cast. Or something.

[@RobertoVillaLobby]

Increadibly boring rework that replaces interesting tallents with blend passive damage increases :(

[@Morbidt123]

Just remove mind spike :( It's an ugly spell, and we had mind flay since vanilla.

[@TheOGFlipFlop]

As long as we never get searing nightmare again I’m happy

[@Publikwow]

amen

[@bosssavage3325]

Basically, people don’t want to have to cast dots. They want to apply the dots once and they never fade/can be reapplied easily before fading. Just extending dots with apparitions or physic link damage may just make it scale higher than blizzard wants. I’m sure they want some limit to it so passively extending to 100% uptime without casting VT again probably isn’t possible, especially if it extends with 1 AoE button to literally everything. Maybe there’s different ways that we can have an interactive way to apply VT without it being 100% passive DoT uptime. (Misery already trivialized dot applications) I’d like to see void form be a 1 minute cooldown. I’d like to see unfurling darkness get buffed to allow 2 or 3 instant casts, or when you cast a full VT without moving, you gain 1 instant cast VT, stacking to 3. Basically just make applying dots better, like shadow crash… every third devouring plague refreshes your VT and SWP… casting mind bender refreshes VT and SWP… casting avoid Torrent refreshes VT and SWP OR… Just make the current extending talent full refresh on any direct damage cast so we need to tab around to keep dots active. Tabbing = the interactive part.

[@altermaat]

_I love shadow priest. Every time I log to wow I have to relearn this wonderful class._

[@necrobooder]

To all of these with the reasoning of "reducing buttons reduces skill expression" - That's only true to a certain extent. The damage variability provided by correctly leveraging your fillers is so small it's barely noticeable. If you don't notice it, how can it make you feel skillful? Skill expression should happen in moment to moment decisions that affect ~2-5% of your output, not 0.5%. Reallocating the complexity of the spec is totally worth it, as is straight up removing complexity when it leads to no depth.

[@xplorethings]

I don't even care that much about creating a skill gap. But I like being put into the situation where it's absolutely not clear what the "correct" button to press is. You have to think and plan. I'm not particularly fond of rotations where the biggest interactivity is "when something lights up, press it".

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

@@xplorethings why not though? Interactive rotations are far more engaging than just doing the same stuff over and over again

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Highly disagree but okay

[@la7era1u54]

I've been basically saying the same thing. If you don't want to juggle all those fillers then you don't have to. The talent tree was built very well so that the difference in damage is very negligible if you decide to focus on the play style that you prefer. I change them around quite often and don't really notice much difference in damage. Try it out, I think you will be happily surprised

[@dustinquinn4660]

What if they just made psychic link work for extending dots?

[@daketh4572]

As someone who has played shadow for over a decade I’m very sad to see mind sear go and mind flay optional

[@la7era1u54]

I've never seen them totally gut a class this bad. 10.0- "Hey guys, check out all these cool new talents we made for you!" 10.1- "Hey guys, we're taking away all those cool new talents we gave you." Feels bad....Really bad

[@mierkablue]

The movement/lack of displacement is my biggest gripe (gosh how I hate high movement fights and Raza has been almost comical of how impossible it feels without evoker cab). Them forcing priest to be slow/immobile class is just not an appealing combo when almost all other classes have better tools now. I would prefer silence as normal interrupt as baseline, since priest are the only healer spec without access to interrupt still (and most would prefer normal interrupt instead of a silence). The re-dotting manually especially in larger pulls is also cursed and not fun, since boomies are already slow ramping and get frustrated because of it and now shadow should go the same route? I indeed wish that they consider second charge for SC or make the cd shorter. The lack of instants and lack of displacement is really crippling combo, especially when ranged usually ramps up their dmg slower anyways compared to melee just pumping right away and if we are also so behind in movement that it just feels real bad and will be huge hindrance in keys and in raids. Very good calls on the capstone challenges and instant mb as well!

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

I think everything being funnelled through psychic link is a bad thing. Very bad thing. It does NOT work like blade flurry because you need to have dot uptime. Also it gives less ways to deal AOE dmg like you said. Snapshots and targetting small adds etc

[@witchcult6384]

Constructive video, hope i can add a bit from a PvP pov Reverse Leap of faith was also one of the most fun talents in Arena. So much so that i preferred playing it over other stronger legendaries in shadowlands. 100% gets my vote. Losing damnation and surge of darkness also warrants the addition of such a talent (pvp pov) Mind spike insanity as an instant-cast is a decent PVE idea, but it still requires insanity generation which is hard to come by in PvP if you need to cast in the first place. precognition might alleviate the issue a bit, but its a gear embellishment in 10.1 that does not target the cause, rather applies a band-aid fix I am sure you can imagine what hard-casting VT looks like into double melee resto sham. you wont be playing the game.

[@coreykimbler5188]

Give us two charges of shadow crasg

[@Ssalyer41]

Silence needs to be moved to the class tree. Priests are the only healer without an interrupt

[@aMarshall_]

Thanks for the video ! Can I have the song title for the intro please ? :)

[@nr4dd]

The day Blizzard knows what they're doing is the day mages do damage.

[@Darkmagi92]

What if we had a talent that made Divine Star/Halo apply or spread our dots? Either a spread within a radius, or simply apply VT. Could even be at reduced duration

[@selv_]

Shadow is dead now that sear is gone. No more blasting mobs with a tsunami of ghosts

[@beelezboss]

Make Voidform reset the CD of shadow crash. Then the talent has an identity for mass aoe. Quickly dot 16 targets and make use of the void bolt dot extension on all 16 of them.

[@PiroMunkie]

It's weird to me that they thought Shadow's "button bloat" came from Mind Spike/Sear and not from Halo/Mind Games. Mind Spike and Mind Sear were nicely integrated with the myriad of feedback loops within the spec. Halo and Mind Games are buttons that are worth pressing but otherwise have zero synergy with everything else that's going on. My only complaint about Shadow currently is the cooldown of shadow crash. Either a second charge or something that makes spirits reduce the CD of Shadow Crash by 0.2 sec every time they deal damage or something.

[@Publikwow]

I think the problem is that Halo/Mindgames are bloat in one sense, but do offer some small bits of utility on the other end. I think both are problems but i definitely see why they are hesitant to just cull those spells.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

OP you couldn‘t have said it better!!! I totally agree. Btw I have physically LESS buttons on my priest than on my demo lock and sub rogue. Everything fitted nicely tbh. The only thing that made the spec seem bloated was the overlapping and capping of mindspike procs mindflay procs and mindblast procs

[@la7era1u54]

The things, for the average player there really is no need to take every filler if you don't like the playstyle. The difference in damage really isn't that high. I thought that they did a great job with talent tree because there was so many ways you could build out your character depending on what you found fun and the damage difference wasn't that much if you picked supporting talents. I have a blast trying out different builds all the time. Out of my 7 max level characters, I found the Spriest talent tree to have the most versatile and viable build options

[@wever4873]

i dont get the point to rework the n1 caster, when on the other shide aff is not getting reworked

[@RamblingJosh]

Really like the suggestion of a 2nd shadow crash charge. At least that way it feels like you're getting something extra for investing a second point into Shadow Crash. The CD might have to go up a tad but I think that's a good tradeoff, it adds more room for skill expression.

[@berkecgl2823]

Second shadow crash charge won't help for the next pack, something has to extend the dot durations.

[@greenxintet1651]

They could also make mental decay work with psychic link by making it extend dots through psychic link mind flays/mind spikes

[@toro_sensei]

i feel they need to increase insanity generation a bit, not too much though, they kind of went to far with how much they reduced it overall that it makes the new talent that increases our max insanity by 50 feel kind of pointless to be honest from how it felt testing it but i do like the direction they are going just need to smooth out some of the pain points

[@MrJeremydb91]

“Dot management sucks” - affliction locks say hello lol, horrid to try and maintain dots and they have the same overlap problem with dots ending and vile taint CD

[@waleneverest4153]

Might be a bit broken depending on the scaling of it but what if every tick of vt or sw: pain it has a chance to reduce the cd of shadow crash by like 0.5 seconds. In theory this would give us better dot uptime and spreading.

[@MaegicoPhdspc]

I think it would be cool to solve the lack of dot extension in AoE due to Mind Sear by having something like surge of insanity but its whole thing is to extend dots. This way Mind Spike or Mind Flay can extend dots. I would probably expect Mind Flay to be replaced by Mind Sear in this case and give an AoE component to Mind Spike that extends dots. This should allow them to maintain the same buttons for AoE and ST. Little worried about this being somewhat confusing, but ultimately seems like a good idea.

[@Ssalyer41]

Shadow crash on a 15 sec cd would solve a lot of problems

[@reasreas-ry3lk]

Man.. i hope Blizzard listens to this guy!

[@Althyrr]

I would like to see them bring surge of darkness back in combination with SW:Death which becomes kind of cool for minder explosions and gives death more of a use outside of just mindbender with the talent beneath it

[@ectogamut]

The last time I truly enjoyed playing Spriest was waaaaay back when they still had Shadow Orbs. If that gives you an idea: yeah I'm not a priest main. But there was still a brief period where I picked it up again and found it fun during SL, only because of Searing Nightmare. It's just a shame they decided to have such a horrible purpose for Spriest now, especially since it only gets 1 dps spec :(

[@vazsix1]

What if they make halo and divine star extend dots for aoe

[@vincenzomusella5363]

how is loss of msp instant procs the right direction?

[@ibbo8740]

Very nice content, easy to understand, cheers pal

[@robertgowdey]

I hope Blizzard appreciates and listens to your feedback.

[@soccermaestro24]

I've always liked the idea of psychic link and am interested to see how they pull it off as the main AoE. Really would like to see them take all this feedback into consideration. Would also be excited if they brought back Cascade to replace Halo/Sear as a non-dot reliant aoe ability.

[@aHaaven]

I don't know where their insistence on a single Shadow Crash charge is coming from. While Mind Sear wasn't perfect, at least it let you pump out damage relatively constantly without this frustrating lull in gameplay. There's nothing fun about waiting for Shadow Crash to come off cooldown, the spec can be balanced through other ways than a constrained single charge, and more leeway with charges would mean an unfortunate tree or small mistake would not make you absolutely useless on a pull in M+.

[@la7era1u54]

The only problem I had with Mind Sear was it costing insanity. It made it feel clunky. I would love the old mind sear back though. I've been missing that version since they changed it to an insanity spender

[@muz3138]

nice feedback, I support everything you said !

[@Zenaur]

What if they just made mental decay also work with Psychic Link, either base or with an additional talent?

[@Publikwow]

Yeah I covered that at some point in the post, that is certainly a good option imo

[@aeon4591]

choice node: Shadow crash /void bolt (usuable outside void eruption). thoughts?

[@Publikwow]

I think if they did that voidform's purpose would be severely shelved at that point

[@aeon4591]

@@Publikwow ye that would be the worst part. But it would make them HAVE to actually fix the shadows cds and not having it as it is. Who knows, maybe they can come up with something that is actually great instead of "ok".

[@dustinrath3767]

Make shadow crash cooldown scale with haste :)

[@leetackett7879]

eh way to guy a class blizz

[@SilentKME]

Didn't you just upload a video like this a day ago

[@Publikwow]

Yesterday was just going over the changes, this video is more focused on my feedback about them

[@keocooper]

I hope they listen to you

[@Necro_______________]

Make single target spells do splash damage

[@calknight9578]

when dose this go live i'm just getting back into WoW thanks in advance

[@Publikwow]

Late May or early June is the expected release date

[@ghozter1]

At 26:10, I wish it was that simple lol. As an Outlaw main that's supposed to be the whole point of the spec, yet Sub outshines it in every situation except 2 targets. Blizzard doesn't understand it, kinda sad they're taking this route for SPriest as I've always played it as my main alt, coming from a spec that's had this issue every since they introduced target cap and oh boy it was way worse when we could only hit 5 targets. Now us hitting 8 is definitely a lot better, but good luck competing in Academy pulls for example.

[@Publikwow]

Yeah thats me having wishful thinking LOL

[@ghozter1]

@@Publikwow lmao, legit COPIUM. But we can hope for the best right?

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Man you making me depressed. I agree so much with this. I loved shadow because it was very mobile. Very fun and interactive (rotation wise). And it could do a lot of AoE eg in academy. Now it will just suck big time. I hate this rework what they are doing here sucks. I will probably reroll hate to say it but if this goes through like that i am done.

[@beelezboss]

Make mind flay and spike cast while moving baseline. Giga buff holy nova to shadow Nova for aoe. Make mental decay work like void bolt. Boom spec saved.

[@Trickzen94]

Why on earth are they even removing Mind sear ? Blizzard (read activision) stop..

[@bryanwagar2379]

Does Mind Flay not fall under periodic damage and would not gain buffed damage from DA whereas it would from VE/VF? Still prob needs some improvement but feels like Mind Spike would be used with DA builds and MF with VE/VF.

[@falma2254]

SW:P, VP, and your "channeled DOTS" don't count towards VA's damage bonus, no. Channeled dots as in, Void Torrent and Flay/Sear if sear was still relevant. It really only buffs Spike/MB/the upfront damage of devouring plague and mind games. I'd assume Apparitions as well.

[@Publikwow]

Yeah flay is not buffed with DA, but neither spike or flay is buffed with voidform as a cooldown. Voidform just replaces shadowform so it doesn’t actually do anything. The balancing of the cooldowns is quite weird

[@bryanwagar2379]

@Publik Interesting, I thought VF increased Shadow damage by an additional 10% including Flay, Spike and Sear but guess I was misinterpreting. Other than Voidbolt and the initial damage of Void Eruption, whats the point of using VE/VF over DA?

[@domming81]

im not sure if you mentioned this but do you think the stat prio will be changing at all due to how instanity gen works with shadow's and crits ? also with the talent of if shadow word pain crits that we may end up changing over to haste>crit>mastery being the stat prio ?

[@Publikwow]

I could certainly see some thing shaking up but i would still guess haste is our top stat, especially with losing T29 set bonus. But early results have shown crit value rising in AoE.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

That would suck tbh

[@domming81]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 im not sure i wasnt against the look of how shadow looked in BFA with all the ghosts all the time and it might be a bit refreshing to not just relay on a 19% increase to all dots and seeing bigger numbers, will be interesting to see how it works.

[@trikkimick]

Super simple approach, but what if VT became instant cast with perhaps a talent like Balance’s Twin Moons for a second target? I can’t help compare the 2 specs as I’ve probably played them both the most and see the parallels; when you put them side by side in terms of functionality we seems to be a fair way behind at this stage. Here’s hoping they watch this and act before it’s too late. Balance has its own issues of course (ramp up especially) but it has a great kit to excel when the numbers are tweaked correctly. The irony of reworks on Prot Paladin and Spriest right as they approach their peak in popularity isn’t lost on me either. Feel sorry for those specs that have been ignored literally for years while we get a rework practically every xpac. Love to be a fly on the wall in the priority meetings so I can understand the logic.

[@Publikwow]

It would certainly help, that would be an interesting pitch to change unfurling darkness but not sure they will go for that