The Most Frustrating JRPG I Have Ever Played - Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne HD Remaster Review

Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne HD Remaster Review on PC. The game is also on PS4 and Switch.
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[@MILDMONSTER1234]

People talk about how hard this game is seem to have forgotten how difficulty 90s jrpgs can be like the older phantasy star games

[@Darkeus1]

@Tyler R I beat that game multiple times as a kid. Git gud lol.

[@OwnD1]

@@Darkeus1 because as kids we had lot of time to burn than being an adult. Can’t deal with bs mechanics anymore

[@Darkeus1]

@@OwnD1 I was half joking. But saying it is unplayable is hyperbole. I beat that game twice. Old games are just hard like that. You are right about time. Though I have an adequate amount of time to goof with mechanics.

[@SteffiAkira]

unfortunately i haven't played alot of games back than and i tried SMT IV month ago and already died more than enough in the beginning of the game and stopped played. maybe try it someday again, but not motivated right now. But heard it's just that extreme in the beginning of IV. Haven't started Nocturne yet...so let's see how i do with this one xD

[@Darkeus1]

@@SteffiAkira I have not gotten to play SMT IV unfortunately

[@kittenpower9017]

Dante was dlc due to licensing on Capcom's end. The director said Dante was part of the original pitch

[@Gokuvsnaruto22]

So it’s capcom’s fault or Altus’?

[@satyamSaha]

@@Gokuvsnaruto22 capcom owns the character

[@nerobiblios4086]

@@Gokuvsnaruto22 no real blame exists, Dante was licensed way back, and then that license expired. And in order for them to use him again they'd need a new license which costs money, hence paid dlc. It's just how it is, neither good or bad, just reality.

[@CarbyGuuGuu]

@@Gokuvsnaruto22 Capcom owns the character, so royalties had to be paid. Dante was never in the original release to begin with, but the Maniax edition.

[@rdu239]

Raidou and Dante both are available in the recent HD release right?

[@santino7470]

“Don’t play this game on hard on your first run.” Looking at my Hard Mode save: I feel like everyone’s been trying to tell me something...

[@SuperGameguy001]

Lol I did play hard my first time, and I had never played SMT/Persona before.

[@videomaker580]

@@SuperGameguy001 My first run was on Hard on my initial run, but I had played SMT IV on my 3DS before i played this one, so I had an idea how the combat system worked.

[@SuperGameguy001]

@@videomaker580 I had literally 0 idea what I was doing until the Matador fight

[@videomaker580]

@@SuperGameguy001 Ah yes, the make or break fight for most players. He did give me trouble on my hard mode, I'll admit.

[@Berek71182]

@@SuperGameguy001 agreed. Thor and Matador is the punch to the players face to finally start to make an actualy plan. (M.Tyson style.) In SMT 4 it's Minotaur and Medusa

[@everythingisbizzaaaaaro3694]

No matter how bitchmade he may be, there will always be a special place in my heart for Matador.

[@wiseman46237]

Ouroboros from Strange Journey for me. I had way too much trouble with the second fight than I should have.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Matador is out here teaching people the way of the game by destroying them lol

[@GodOfOrphans]

I got into SMT with 4 so my personal mentor was the Minotaur, also his design in 4 is one of the most badass things I've ever seen so there's that, I think that's also why I main Shabrys in Persona Arena, because of Asterius.

[@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs]

[@ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528]

4:09 Ah yes, my favourite Shin Megami Tensei Protagonist, Raidou Kuwanowa from the Devil Summoner Series

[@AllenTax]

Like him to. As the cat. The other casts members aren't to bad either. Wished Devil Summoner 2 would go on Switch with what Legend of Mana got.😍 Oh and to add that wished both get Physical made.

[@zeronos724]

@@AllenTax i believe the comment was a sarcasm as raidou family name is kuzonoha not kuwanowa haha

[@robjoker3786]

Atlus didn´t want to risk with this remaster and lost money, even if they fix its problems, this is like an experiment to see if people would buy their old games so they low the cost of its production as much as they could, and if the games does bad they would not lost money, if this remaster do well, they will do it better with their other games like DDS or Devil Summoner or thats what I would like to think.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

If this remaster does well it might send the message that they could put in this type of bare min effort.

[@robjoker3786]

@@ShadowEliteHD it could be the other way around too, if the game do well they could take the multiple complains of the community and do it better next time, because if the game sells poorly they will just ignore their old games because they don´t make money anymore.

[@GodOfOrphans]

I'm thinking kinda the same thing, most game studios tend to take the wrong lessons from lackluster sales so consistently it's almost patholigical.

[@westfllynvaleghar9556]

Wishful thinking. At least nocturne had somewhat of a reputation among the fanbase, the raidou games and dds flopped hard in terms of sales and were nowhere as renowned. If they aren’t willing to risk it with what they thought was “cult classic” then I doubt they’ll pay mind on those. Maybe they’ll bundle it up and call it “the megami tensei collection” or something. I wouldn’t count on individual release.

[@GodOfOrphans]

@@westfllynvaleghar9556 I can only speak for myself but all I really want are reasonably priced optimized ports preferably with achievements added, and control remapping, I care not for any of the other bells and whistles, they're a nice bonus but ultimately don't sway my purchase decision one way or another. I certainly wouldn't say no to a bundle of the older more niche games even if they are basically just ports as that's really all I ever want, it's certainly better than the alternative of them essentially becoming emulator exclusives at the very least.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

And I still conquered this game. But man was it a pain lol. Still like it tho. Dante being Paid DLC might be because of Capcom and licensing issues... Knowing Atlus DLC practices in the past...

[@ShadowEliteHD]

@@ForBraig Keep telling yourself that. Like Atlus hasn't gone out of there way to do other DLC BS.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

@@ForBraig you clearly didn't play the game. And if you like it go about your day

[@fortythrone369]

@@ForBraig I expect more from Altus. The soundtrack, for example, is pitiful in this game. There should be more of an effort not only getting the DLC correct but to get the audio to sound crisp and new. Having a content mindset is for the lazy

[@jonate79]

I still have the strategy guide for the ps2 version. Hopefully it helps

[@covids12345]

It's really not that bad

[@Afr0Punk]

Nocturne holds a special place in my heart lol. I absolutely love it. Can't wait to see some streams of people rage quitting.

[@TheTomtaru]

ha! tough luck, I don't ragequit this game!

[@dragowolfraven3806]

Nocturne is not your typical Jrpg. I am going to enjoy it for that reason alone. I didn't get the chance the first time around on Ps2 so it being ported to Switch is a godsend to me😊

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Just make sure you're always prepared. Hope you really do enjoy it.

[@fierceunicorns3339]

I ve been a persona maniac since 5 came out. Then I played Royal, then Strikers which was completely different playstyle and I ve played shin megami tensei on my mobile. I was excited and ready for that Nocturne remaster. I saw everywhere that Persona was like a walk in the park in comparison to that game s difficulty. And boy was that correct. I played it a little bit those couple of days on ps4. I feel that the demons on that game have way more personality than the human characters. I haven t progressed a lot yet and I haven t watched any spoilers. On persona characters were well developed with backstories and gradual progress and you could connect with them. In Nocturne, the only interest you have in them is about what is going to happen next. The whole story and the environment is eerie and creepy. There is a sense of dread and horror. And the game quickly makes you understand that in order to survive, you need to be strong and prepared. Getting demons, fusing them, passing down helpful skills, create solid teams, strong attacks, attributes, buffs and debuffs. You need to experinment and master these things to push through. I play only on NORMAL and I find some stuff a bit tough on that game. I am a grinding freak anyways so it doesn t bother me stocking items and powering up my demons before I make the next step. I always did the same in Pokemon too. It is exciting and challenging and I am really happy to get the chance to play that game. I am looking forward for 5 to come out soon and more shin megami tensei games

[@calebgoodman2076]

Yeah... Persona is considered to be a newcomer friendly branch. The MegaTen franchise is huge. Surprising turnout for a three part edgy tragedy book trilogy.

[@ahmedbenkhalfallah6502]

@@calebgoodman2076 we do not speak of the third Digital Devil Story book 👀

[@calebgoodman2076]

@@ahmedbenkhalfallah6502 True... I hope the sequel series fixed that.

[@thebigmanskeet6969]

This is the first megaten game I'm playing, so I'm a total noob. Never played an SMT or Persona game before, but I figured I'd get Nocturne HD on the Switch to try something new. I'm not that far (still in the hospital), and I'm watching videos like these to prime me for what to expect. You did great at summarizing what I need to prepare for 😄. I don't mind getting thwomped, but I prefer understanding why I'm getting thwomped and how to approach it.

[@ShijioHirojima567]

I would prefer going Persona 5 Royal if you are a beginner since the story in each Persona game is always different and playing the older games is optional. Anyways I wouldn't say the Persona games are easier but they usually let newer players experience the games better. I would recommend going into SMT when you feel experienced enough to understand the basics.

[@Berek71182]

Persona 3+4+5 are more consistent and way easier. Persona 1 + 2 are just as complex like the SMT.

[@Frost_Winterfall]

My main advice for you is to remember that this game does not play fair. The enemy will exploit everything to kill you, so you should do the same to them.

[@snailthelostcow63]

@@Berek71182 specifically for Persona 2 eternal punishment imo. The difficulty spike was surprising Persona 2 Innocent Sin was really easy

[@Lolleman255]

Since u havent played persona as well i highly recommend using a guide, yes its cheap but that way u atleast know where to go mainly

[@lunarrhythm7344]

I fucking love your channel. For some reason it wasn't ever on my feed and i randomly remembered youband searched. Glad to see you still make content and will be visiting your oage regularly until YT fixes my algorithm

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Thank you my guy glad to see you back!

[@jessicahunter7656]

Almost subbed but you kept flashing the sub button on screen. Doing that is insulting the audiences intelligence. Think I will pass on this channel.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Lmao woow your lost. Figured it be less worse than just saying it constantly reminding you to sub. Truly can't please everyone

[@ShadowEliteHD]

@@jessicahunter7656 tbh I was genuinely shocked lol

[@buffkage7749]

@Spinach Chavez Wow that has literally nothing to do with what was brought up lmao this guys subs really are a bunch of simpletons 😂

[@CC-xy8nn]

if u already were subbed it wouldnt be a problem

[@eatanotherzio6811]

@@CC-xy8nn Sub begging puts people off

[@vexhardt211]

I would be perfectly happy with the quality and scale of the remaster, if it were $30 or less. I think the 'cut corners' and all are fine for a remaster of a niche title within an already niche genre (but growing). I just think it's greatly overpriced for what it is.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Yea asking for $50 is a bit much

[@GodOfOrphans]

Same, I still bought it anyway as I want to vote with my wallet and hopefully get the rest of the series ported to PC or just ported in general but I do feel kinda dirty for paying as much as I did.

[@takoplays191]

@@ShadowEliteHD i wish it were $50 or lower here, game costs $75 to $90 for me depending on if i buy the deluxe edition or not or $107 if i buy standard then buy dlc down the line

[@MrVariant]

$40 GameStop sale now lol. But can always compare with what goes on sale. Can't skip cutscenes is hilarious, we don't do that here. 4:19 gotta pay extra for Dante who is on original lol wow that sucks

[@vorpal22]

$30 for a game? You're freaking crazy.

[@arcanerite7428]

Dude, first time discovering your channel and you really include everything. Very descriptive and accurate; well-earned sub

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Thanks bro appreciate that you see the effort!

[@ajzn97]

This game is based on the third release of the game. The original didn't have the Amala network, so it isn't the original version at all. The Dante version is the second version of the game. As for someone who wanted to played the Raidou version since 2009, I didn't think twice to buy it. It was 50 bucks then and it's worth 50 bucks now. I'm just happy to have another physical copy of a game I have on a dying software and hardware.

[@ZioName]

The PC version does have the Vanilla version included in it, though

[@nyx3983]

I think the frame rate might be tied to some game processes which is why some titles retain it. For example, game speed, if they swapped to 60, Demifiend would be running thru the vortex with SPEED.

[@QueenViolet8]

Played this with a double jump guide back in the day 😎got this preordered for the switch 😊 Looking forward to the voice acting 😄

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Good luck to you it won't be a cake walk! lol

[@volticace6791]

30 minutes . . . 30 minutes is the amount of time it takes to reach the game's first check point. This game broke me back in the ps2 days. This is a tough rpg. I've been dreading its return but I plan on picking it up to finally vanquish the ghost of my gaming past. Despite the difficulty its an enjoyable experience. Hopefully a Digital Devil Sage remake will come next.

[@InfectedElite]

i want Digital Devil Saga remake, Persona3 FES and Persona 4 Golden remake/60 fps for ps4/ps5. in a nice box set... and the sleeper series i want a remake for that will never happen.... Xenosaga 1, 2, and 3. SO..UNDER. RATED

[@volticace6791]

@@InfectedElite Namco thought about a Xenosaga remake, but when they conducted surveys they found that intrest for the series was low. At least they considered it at one point, look it up. I need Kos-Mos to return in HD.

[@borissurkan3035]

i literaly played nocturne one year before the announcement and now im literaly ending digital devil saga 2

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

It isn't even that hard

[@Pichuscute]

Is 30 minutes alot?...

[@seltzer108]

"It's not worth to finish it on hard mode unless you're looking to brag" *Ten seconds before... showing his saves with 80+ hours in hard mode* haha

[@kugansivasakthy2091]

Man just thinking about the frame rate argument I remember these famous words: "Jesus died in 30 frames" 💀😂 Shout out to the HP/MP Podcast 🙌

[@TidusDowthelas]

I have taken the Hard Challenge on the PS2, and I am willing to try it again. Not because it is easy, but because it's a hell-of-a-challenge!

[@MIGU3L2K]

Yeah, I’m kinda dreading returning, but I’m also extremely hyped for it. One of my favorite games, JUST NEED TO GET THROUGH 2 WORK DAYS!!!

[@shenmuemasta]

Playing this game on hard for the first time is insane. I usually play this game for a more relaxed playthrough on normal, I only play on hard when I'm in the mood to challenge myself. This is coming from someone who usually play my games on hard.

[@fluxthemagician7928]

I did blind for the first time on hard yeah that truly was insane but the feel when you end the game is so felt so good

[@WeaponXSigma]

I did that when I played the PS2 version for the first time.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Hard is no joke. It will truly test you.

[@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams]

First playthrough was on normal on my PC via PCSX2 and I think I was near halfway through the game before I sold my PC and forgot to back up my PCSX2 saves. Next playthrough was on hard and it is definitely something else, but I've always had a penchant for grinding as many levels out of an area before I move to the next so it's not so bad.

[@rdu239]

@@ShadowEliteHD Plus spending hours in combining demons and skills matching feels more satisfying because you are doing it seriously on hard mode, if you do it on merciful or normal difficulty there is a lingering feel you are half assing yourself in the time investment...

[@jonathancapps1103]

I can see how unlocking the frame rate could be a lot of work. It used to be fairly common to write games in such a way that the game logic was updated once per frame, assuming a given frame rate. Developers knew what hardware their console games were going to run on, and didn't need to check the clock frequency, measure time for each frame, etc. All that stuff could be safely assumed. If you port such a game onto a faster system, it will run proportionally faster. Since update ticks are tied to frame rate. If it ran at 60fps everything would be twice as fast: animation, menu controls, damage numbers, etc. It would be far simpler to add in some code to lock the frame rate than it would to decouple the game loop from the render frame rate. Hell, depending on how well structured their code is, even finding every piece of code that would need to be changed to decouple logic and frame rate could be difficult. Does it blow? Eh. Kinda. Is it a cop out? Probably not.

[@GodOfOrphans]

I actually don't mind the lack of a fast forward option as those tend to feel too much like cheating to me, except in NG+ I feel that every turn based RPG needs that as a NG+ unlock but for the first playthrough I kinda consider the grind to be part of the experience for better or worse.

[@ascended313]

How the hell is fast forward like cheating?

[@GodOfOrphans]

@@ascended313 Because the grind is part of the experience for better or worse and subverting it is subverting the experience.

[@ascended313]

@@GodOfOrphans I disagree, fast forwarding parts that are the same all the time and get boring af is far from subverting the experience.

[@GodOfOrphans]

@@ascended313 I agree on NG+ or just replays in general I don't think it's something that should be done on a first playthrough however.

[@FiveFingerOutfit]

@@GodOfOrphans Were grown up now, not a lot of time. Fast forwarding can be a real blessing, like the slooow atb bars in FF9 or drawing a lot of magic in FF8. Some of these remasters include other settings that are definitely cheats though and I dont use those at all.

[@jacen884]

They probably made Dante paid dlc for licensing rights and stuff

[@Aki-chan]

I'm biased af since it's my absolute favourite game. Bought the remaster for all systems. The only thing I was salty about when it first came out was the fusion system (4 hours for my perfect Daisoujou) I'm glad they patched it.

[@zurreal8087]

This is hands-down the best review of this game that I’ve seen. There are a bunch of important points made in this video that I haven’t seen anywhere else which I really wish I’d known before purchasing.

[@theimortal1974]

no skipping cutscenes before boss battles. ah i remember good ol final fantasy x. the hardest bosses had the longest cut scenes before them. i remember switching to tv to watch until the controller rumbled which meant i was about to fight the 2nd to the last boss of the game. yes i know the bosses in x are a joke if you get all the celestial weapons and items that can cheese those bosses but i wasn't that good at mini games.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Wow I remember doing something exactly like this for PS2 era rpgs lmao

[@CC-xy8nn]

ALWAYSSS switching to TV lmao especially yunalesca

[@Yxazel]

Im happy to know that im not the only maniac that played on hard blind

[@411sponge72]

So this is the first video that I've watched of yours and I have to say I'm impressed. I subbed and also pre ordered SMT5 lol

[@dogdogthecat3129]

Cool review! I'm always curious to see how people take this game. I'm really curious how people will take the next one if the dungeons end up as unintelligible mazes like they were in Nocturne. The dungeons were definitively the most frustrating part of Nocturne for me personally.

[@kugansivasakthy2091]

Damn Shadow dropping a review today too 👀 This the fourth one I've watched today lol Anyway its great to hear your thoughts on the game 🙏

[@ShadowEliteHD]

You know I had to get out my thoughts in a video my friend. Appreciate you dropping by here

[@sandythamtono2081]

Play on hard blind i dare you!! *plays on mercifull mode*

[@ShadowEliteHD]

You do you my guy lol

[@DaddyGamerDiaries]

Thanks for the review. Never played this before. This game should keep me busy until SMT V

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Well, I'm pretty sure SMTV isnt coming this year so you'll be good lol (I could be wrong)

[@Dahcs]

@@ShadowEliteHD who knows, maybe we'll see it at E3! Metroid Prime 4 ain't coming anytime soon, same with BOTW2 lol, so I think it'd make sense for it to come out this year, and then have BOTW 2 come out next year.

[@Ventpiire]

I’m playing on hard mode (1st playthrough) and I stopped counting how many times I get slapped by random encounters right before reaching the save point. *Battle Starts.* *Beats all enemies.* *New monsters appear.* *Beats all enemies.* *New monsters appear.* *Enemy does triple crit on my entire team in one attack.* *GAME OVER*

[@DaddyGamerDiaries]

So I just finished my play through yesterday on my Switch Lite. I gotta say I really appreciated the inclusion of merciful difficulty. Never died and that’s a good thing bc figuring out the puzzles in the dungeons is hard enough. The voice acting I agree was awesome, I loved all the character voices.

[@Crok425]

About skipping cutscenes... ever since Nocturne you can fast forward dialogue by keeping triangle pressed... this has been present in future SMT games such as DDS and Persona 3-5.

[@lieutenantpepper2734]

You keep coming back coz you’re a masochist

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Facts lol

[@Akholyte]

Still debating whether to pick this up or not, idk if I wanna feel true pain

[@jangiurg5295]

There is an easy mode dlc.

[@QueenViolet8]

If you haven’t pre ordered for the Switch it’s gonna get harder to get it later😒

[@fluxthemagician7928]

Just try it you won't regret it

[@PhoenixDecim]

As Jan Giurg mentioned earlier, there's an easy mode. The best thing about that is you can switch between difficulties whenever you want to. So you can try higher difficulties for the main fights and keep the easy mode for other stuff.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

I would suggest picking it later at a reduced price and playing on Normal.

[@MightyBeastPR84]

I love this game, reason why i had no problem paying for full cost instead of waiting on a discount offer, to me the voice acting is awsome and the fact that you can now choose wich skill to inherit.

[@jeffreydyess1220]

I looked into it and the version with Raidou was actually the third and final updated release of this game for the PS2 in Japan (we got the second one in the states), so without the dlc this is technically a remaster of the most recent version of the game. This makes Atlus a bit more forgivable for having Dante as dlc only.

[@jbd332]

I love this game! Have it on Switch. Just got to Matador. Wiped me out. Time to grind.

[@Valkirth]

played this on ps2 when growing up,was frustrating but that kept me coming back for more (went in blind on hardmode which was painful),2 of the hardest boss fights i've ever had were demi fiend from DDS and Elizabeth from persona 3 (only persona i played before pc's port of 4),grabbed this on pc for $40 which was well worth it.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

Eh corners cut a bit. But the fact they added the skill inheritance and hearing daddy rueben langdons voice for dante at all is already worth it.

[@nickandbarry1777]

I just wish fight music wasn’t compressed to hell, I got addicted to fierce battle and there’s a crisp 15 min loop on YT and hearing for the first time for me was super disappointing. Great game and alrightport

[@CC-xy8nn]

they shouldve done digital devil saga. so much better. also what is this font?!

[@acebreaker7]

Yeah i can respect what the series tries to do and all that but not something i need right now, so i'll just leave my like and hope people who are picking it up have fun

[@RpgBlasterRpg]

Welcome to the Dark Soul of turn based rpg budy

[@forestcityfishing4749]

No, its clearly just Persona.

[@bibleandlean4535]

I gotta say on a second playthru or with a guide for some of the bs stuff (I never used a guide but had a friend who played thru the ps2 version recently) then even in hard this game feels much more fair. It feels as if it expects u to have a guide and even the guide won’t help and it knows that and I kinda appreciate it for that reason

[@alb1reo]

when they want full price then requiring to build the game from the ground up is something that can be expected from devs

[@ShadowEliteHD]

You might have a point.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

do you not live stream here ?

[@ShadowEliteHD]

I livestream here and there on this channel.

[@Borreguito]

I really loved the game the first time, I tried to make the most of any advantage that the magatamas offered, also like any jrpg there is room for the healer, the support, the magician and of course the god-killer who is your character, in his time was for me the dark souls that I needed.

[@ch0asu472]

I have started on hard 2 days ago blindly with 65 deaths which 25 of them were against the matador, all I can feel is pain

[@DevilMayPie]

Playing on hard again myself so I feel your pain Shadow, but it hurts so good I love it! Great review!

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Hope you get to finish the game dude!

[@DuoBeard]

With how much “fun” you’ve had playing it previously vs now; you’ve done a well refined job with your thoughts and review vs my expectations. Good job 👍

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Thanks dude always means a lot to see ya!

[@eazybuxafew]

😭😭😂 I get it! It’s fun to drag Altus and they do deserve it most of the time 😭😭😂 but daunte as dlc is to cover licensing fees. Devil may cry in 2003 wasn’t nearly as big as devil may cry in 2021. Daunte done glowed up! But enemies will sometime attack first and ruin your day. I felt that in my soul. Played through SMT IV for the first time last year and FCK!!!! 😩😩. Started nocturne last night 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@debbiec4530]

Thanks for an honest review! 🤠

[@seth7726]

I think you were kind of eccentric with your opinion regarding the dungeons' tracks. As you said, it helps to enhance the ambience and goes extremely well with the unique atmosphere of the game. It truly feels like a horror game at some points, and at this point that has become a staple on the mainline games. I understand if it is not everyone cup of tea, but going as far as muting the game is a bit too much imo, especially when every mainline game has done this at some point. If you were expecting something more upbeat like what is usually present on the Persona games, that would hurt the immersion of the game. Maybe you just don't like the oppressive feeling the game exudes during this segments?

[@ShadowEliteHD]

You could be right but really this is the only game I had this kind of view on. I had no issue with SMT4, SMT4: Apocalypse, and Strange Journey dungeon music. This game is definitely the exception not the rule for me.

[@seth7726]

@@ShadowEliteHD Oh, I actually forgot to mention that I can relate to this feeling haha. I do prefer how the ambient music was implemented in the IV duology and 1 and 2 for the SNES. I can still kinda appreciate Nocturne's own way of doing eerie dungeon music, but it might have gone a little too experimental when compared to other entries. To put it simple, yeah, I can now understand your discomfort with Nocturne regarding this topic.

[@carnageforce3459]

My main gripe about it was the puzzles with traps like theres some really sadistic game designers i swear.

[@densha63]

I did find how hard this game was way back during the PS2 era. ANd yes, it just slaps your behind very hard that you'll want to quit it but, this game is a breath of fresh air in comparison to traditional JRPGs I have played over the years, "Normal" is HARD and "Hard" should be labeled EXTREME. Haha! And yes, it will not hold your hand or introduce you to mechanics, it just drops you of somewhere and says, "survive at your own risk" and I think it does go pretty well with the theme seeing that this is a post-apocalyptic game. And yes, this is one of the my fave games just from the Demons lores alone ^__^.

[@lionelbulgin1739]

Go hard or go home. This finna be a breeze

[@albertojaimes1137]

It probably helps that I beat the game before on hard on ps2. The remastered is easy mode knowing what I know in the past in addition to the two DLC dungeons (for those who bought deluxe). That being said, nobody should judge people for struggling the first time. There are little tricks to make the game easier like buying pisaca with estoma early on in the game and building immunities for the MC.

[@Arexion5293]

“Don’t play this game on hard on your first run.” I jumped from Persona 3's normal mode straight into SMT 3's hard mode on my first playthrough. It was one hell of a wall to face, but I'm a stubborn old goat so I eventually got into it. Gotta say, that first playthrough was an absolute disaster. The second one went way better and even ended with me fighting the final boss with a far more balanced and arguably underprepared team instead of steam rolling it with good ol' Beelzypops and Metatrotanus. Having no void mind and nerve for the true final boss is a bit of a dice roll on Hard, but it eventually worked out in the end. I had no Masakados either because I didn't want to do Puzzle Boy again.

[@drhashtagyolo]

I heard someone say the exact opposite ab the dungeon and battle music and idk what to think now lol

[@phillemon7664]

What you should think is that people have different opinions and that there is no consistent perspective or objective quality.

[@andrewmaclellan608]

Nocturne is a thinking person's RPG. Playing this game without giving it your full attention will result in a game over most of the time. Use the phase of Kagutsuchi to your advantage. Only 2 bosses in the game require you to fight at "Full" and one of them is optional. Get it to "New" or close to it as you reasonably can. There is a skill called "Dark Might" that instantly criticals with every physical hit. This helps me a lot with early game nightmares like Matador and Thor.

[@Gure_Shimo]

Dante is a dlc since is actually extra content, since it originally had Raidou.

[@lazykyuubi4300]

Funny you should say that. I haven't played SMT III, but I feel the same way about the first game. It just EXHAUSTS me, yet I keep playing for... Some reason

[@kulbrez4884]

I love everything this game has except the dungeon design. All I want to do is challenge the bosses, and refine my team. The Labyrinth of Amala severely soured my experience, but I just finished that today. I don’t think that experience was worth it, and it could’ve been organically woven into the main story somehow. I had no satisfaction at all beating that portion of the game, and it’ll ruin my interest on returning to NG+/Hard to complete the True Demon Ending.

[@lamedrawings]

Not a single mention of the hardest boss in this game huh, the puzzle boy

[@ricardobelmont5984]

We told you about that 60fps addiction haha. Jokes aside though I do like that you can choose skills now. I'm still on the ropes with this and mass effect. Wanna show support but don't feel I'd open either soon. Heck I'm just starting on golden deer route of three houses.

[@jacobsmith7094]

So in other words you don’t have a backlog and just play one game at a time. I personally have a bunch of other games I’ve been playing and plan on putting them aside for nocturne

[@ricardobelmont5984]

Actually exact opposite got a bunch of games. Just know I wouldn't be opening it this year. Trying to get out that habit.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

I can't live in world without 60FPS gaming anymore lol

[@complete-and-utter-fool]

On PS2 I played normal and I only beat the third fiend them I got too busy with real life Now on the switch I'm on hard mode and personally, it's not as bad as people say it is x2 enemy damage isn't that bad, but x3 shop prices is absurd

[@insertnamehere2022]

i thought he was going to say "fetch me that ladder"

[@hv1294]

i really hope smt4 is the next remaster 🙏

[@ardith]

That's surprising that this runs lower than 60 fps considering most ps2 games had to run at 60fps just not to look terrible with interlacing.

[@V-Jes]

The heck are you talking about? Most PS2 games run at 30 or 25 fps (in EU) at max because how weak PS2 was for it's time...

[@ardith]

@@V-Jes NA and Japan developed in the NTSC format. A lot of PS2 games use a technique called "field rendering" where only half of the image is displayed every frame. In a lot of cases the game *had* to run at 60fps or it was a garbage image. PAL regions were just an afterthought.

[@guanyu210379]

I played the original version many years ago on PS2, this game really worth your attention It is basically like Pokemon for adult. The remastering however.......it is decent.....just not for that price... My review of SMT3: Nocturne --> exorbitant pricing for such remastering quality. Wait for discount if you want it!

[@ironrex6979]

Is the script solid and faithful to the jpn version? Also does the Switch/PS4 version include the original SMTIII or only the Manix/Chronicles version?

[@ShadowEliteHD]

I believe the script is solid. And the translation does change some things from the PS2 to make it more accurate it seems.

[@ironrex6979]

@@ShadowEliteHD If it’s more accurate to the japanese version that’s perfect! Thank you for your honest review and reply.

[@tacticalgengar420]

My guy, ITS SO ADDICTIVE

[@shaniquewright1951]

If not for others who played it giving tips…lmao I’d be stuck at finding so many locations 😂

[@ViewtifulGene]

The addition of manual skill inherits was a huge improvement. But it's bullshit how the accuracy mechanics are still never explained, and how the encounter rate is still too damn high, even if you spam Estoma until the Kagutsuchi dies. The frame rate was a major problem when it caused battles to lag just as enemies beamed in. I still think Nocturne is the king of monster RPGs, but there were a ton of missed opportunities in this remaster.

[@jj-fs2xc]

Estoma only work for lower level ennemi than you

[@andruskungla6247]

Is it better than Strange Journey?

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Strange Story is better in my opinion

[@EmanuelGaldr]

I played it in Merciful difficulty. Unapollogetically. Battles are not really challenging, but well, imo the game doesn't deserve so much of my time and effort... the story is interesting but schematic at best. It's all about the character design. I wish there were some online PvP battles to really enjoy all those gorgeous demon designs. The dungeons are fun, but all of them are labyrinths with little to no variations within a given one. The spaces outside dungeons REALLY need some life. Not in the sense of living people, but different kinds of demons going around, or even some interesting landscapes, landmarks, views, interesting details in the rooms. Otherwise it's just a menu shaped like an endless network of corridors.

[@TardustheToasty]

I started with hard mode. Turns out, I was not as prepared to take on Nocturne as I thought. After over 210 hours I finally beat Lucifer and it was glorius! Now I replay Nocturne every other year but on normal. Do not start on hard mode without knowing the game please.

[@redhood7778]

What carries over in new game +

[@ancienthunger9103]

I took your dare and it is the most frustrating thing ever

[@Grindfrank]

I am playing it right now and I think it’s just the right difficulty. Beautiful and super fun game. Gamers can be such elitists 😑

[@TAGanimation]

Damn, and I even blew over $50 to preorder the game.

[@phoenixxxashez]

Isn't there an easy mode added?

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Yes a very easy mode if you ask me.

[@camma12]

I still have ptsd from playing this game on hard back in the day......... fuckin matador man 😭

[@daemondan666]

Dude hard and blind is both *so* dumb and a massive flex. Props that you put your nose to it and got through it, man. Good job. I like to play hard, non NG+ but I've been playing the shit out of this game since 2005. Cheers man.

[@vers-over1886]

When I first play this game in 2009 or so. I played in hard more and it took me 258 hours to pass it. It was worth it. If u play it for the first time play it on hard mode

[@walter4180]

If I have to play a game for 4x the length I would on normal, that just sounds like a shit difficulty though. And it is since I played it too. Didn't take that long as I played it before but once you switch that difficulty to hard, you rely 30% on grinding, 50% on RNG and 20% on an actual good setup. Ambush? Dead. Boss gets lucky crit? Dead. Get Dekaja'd into AOE Phys skill? Dead.

[@vers-over1886]

@@walter4180 I was only nine when I play . I didn't know what I was doing

[@DeionDaGoat]

Too late I’m past gosu tennoh part on hard and it’s a blind play through

[@ProjectTony]

*Looks at my Final Fantasy 5 scars* I think I can do it

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

Another note about the music: it’s compressed to hell. Now, this isn’t surprising because it’s a 2003 game, but what takes the cake is that the same compressed music is in this game. You heard me right, with modern technology, the music is still compressed to the point of it not fitting the cleaner style anymore.

[@Redstar2613]

I don't understand everyone's complaint about the music, it sounds perfectly fine to me. What do you mean it doesn't fit the "cleaner style"?

[@jacksonbyrne64]

Yee but if you do play hard mode straight away and beet it you feel pretty gud bra

[@mistaek1959]

Gamers shut up about framerate challenge

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Impossible

[@regerts744]

While I would've loved some improvements on the original, but I'm just happy atlus is actually f***ing porting their older games. So people can actually play them.

[@sleepyprinny]

....I dunno if it's just me, but I've never been that stressed by Nocturne. Difficulty choices aside, but yeah. I agree. I *REALLY* wished they added more content.... like *ALICE!* *GIVE ME ALICE!* ....And yeah, a higher framerate is nice, but not necessary for a game like Nocturne. Also, the Raidou edition game us is from the *NEWER* version of the PS2 re-release. The Chronicle/Raidou version came out in 2008.... just saying. I dunno why ppl keep saying Raidou came first. The Maniax/Dante version of the game came out in 2004, which is what we got here in the states, but yeah, no... Dante was the first to cameo, *NOT* Raidou. ...I mean, there was even a *FOUR YEAR GAP* between their appearances. Yeah, a minor nitpick, but I wish ppl talking about about SMT3's HD remaster would at least get their facts straight about little things like that...

[@brycedouglas620]

I used to think 30 FPS was playable for a JRPG, then I played LoH Trials in the Sky on PC and it's 30 felt like I was playing a slide show compared to its unlocked. Playing this on 30 is going to hurt

[@elk3407]

not all 30 FPS caps are equal. With great frametime 30 FPS can feel smooth and perfectly playable, but poor frametimes make it a slideshow. In fact, 30 FPS with great frametimes can feel vastly superior to 60 dipping to 45 with bad frametimes.

[@BitchChill]

For turn-based, I don't care. It's just a bonus

[@ShadowEliteHD]

@@elk3407 Interesting take.

[@barubary218]

closer to 20 year old game then 10 years my dude.... god I got old. This is as an aside my absolute favorite game ever made. So I am hyper biased on my opinions when it comes to this game

[@ShadowEliteHD]

Yikes didn't realize it was close to 20. That hurt lol