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CONCEPT LIMBO 29 | Hovercrafts, Pogo sticks, MRE and more!

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@SHADOWFRAX
@SHADOWFRAX Жыл бұрын
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@isaacblank8964
@isaacblank8964 Жыл бұрын
aahhhhh, u gotta "LOOOOVVE" being Ugandan
@williammclaughlin7357
@williammclaughlin7357 Жыл бұрын
Human cannonball launcher
@Apple_Beshy
@Apple_Beshy Жыл бұрын
love it
@annachristine2799
@annachristine2799 Жыл бұрын
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@johnny2044
@johnny2044 Жыл бұрын
Armored ladder hatch is my most needed of all the list. Please make this happen!
@Private.Willie.Stroker
@Private.Willie.Stroker Жыл бұрын
If it ever happens than they should remove the normal hatches from the bradley loot and add the armored ones instead
@mobslayer9919
@mobslayer9919 Жыл бұрын
Biggest pain is armoring your whole base and still having to have frags in the tc for the ladder hatches, as well as the window armor
@rpnp2
@rpnp2 Жыл бұрын
@@mobslayer9919 lol modded 10x server guy spotted
@Matthew-jq7xl
@Matthew-jq7xl Жыл бұрын
@@rpnp2 he's not modded he's just not always poor like you, at the 2nd day of weekly wipe with my duo we have a full armored base with armored doors and silly ladderhatches, you're just a t1 outpost camper who never gets passed p250/sap. My guess is he's deep and needs a lot of HQM to upkeep in his tc]
@WhyYouAskingMe
@WhyYouAskingMe Жыл бұрын
It won't matter man. ESPers will always know fastest and cheapest way to your box full of C4 and Rockets regardless.
@duskbound9791
@duskbound9791 Жыл бұрын
I think the MRE actually makes a lot of sense in rust. After all, the island is an abandoned experiment/military facility, so it would make sense if some of those food crates carried them.
@f-rosti952
@f-rosti952 Жыл бұрын
Or the scientists on oil, so we dont have to live of that single food crate
@antsila5825
@antsila5825 Жыл бұрын
Yeah way more sense than like apples
@RustyBear
@RustyBear Жыл бұрын
They should add rivers that go through the map so we could use a boat for fast traveling. And they should add snow storms and rabbits. And metal spears
@crimplak5505
@crimplak5505 Жыл бұрын
I wanted this for years i wish
@Adrian-py7go
@Adrian-py7go Жыл бұрын
Metal spears xdxd lmao
@Adrian-py7go
@Adrian-py7go Жыл бұрын
Who is going to use metal spears
@joshmartin1880
@joshmartin1880 Жыл бұрын
@@Adrian-py7go for like barrel farming
@Adrian-py7go
@Adrian-py7go Жыл бұрын
@@joshmartin1880 spear is the worst thing to use for barrel farming. It has slow attack speed. Bone knife is better
@tighlia3375
@tighlia3375 Жыл бұрын
Bear traps working on bears, throwing food to distract wildlife, and the armored hatch all seem like the most plausible things to add into the game. Two of which seem like they'd just be simple tweaks, and the armored hatch...well, someone's already modeled, animated, and made it...Facepunch could just... buy it from them and save themselves a lot of annoyance with making it work (supposedly)
@dunkin8375
@dunkin8375 Жыл бұрын
able to put food on bear trap to lure said animal
@germantas112
@germantas112 Жыл бұрын
They could easily add this in a months time for the next update. WE NEED THIS!
@Sodomis666
@Sodomis666 Жыл бұрын
@@germantas112 Nothing is simple in tweaking code... and it has to be tested too.
@germantas112
@germantas112 Жыл бұрын
@@Sodomis666 Yep. That's why i didn't say it was easy 🙂
@quill9617
@quill9617 Жыл бұрын
@@Sodomis666 rust is made on unity and the devs have are very experienced so while coding isnt easy im sure they actually know coding and understand the language so its kinda simple
@YouTubeShortsAreTheDevil
@YouTubeShortsAreTheDevil Жыл бұрын
You should be able to stack two beds for a bunk bed. No other changes need to be made to Rust. It's a perfect game, except for this one thing.
@majormajorasic
@majormajorasic Жыл бұрын
And storage boxes, high enough that they fit from floor to roof of a 1x1.
@TheBenghaziRabbit
@TheBenghaziRabbit Жыл бұрын
Why we dont have a simple rock slingshot is beyond me
@Tastygreenbean
@Tastygreenbean Жыл бұрын
Yes😂
@heyitsmushu7393
@heyitsmushu7393 Жыл бұрын
Because it would be useless compared to an equally cheap to make bow/eoka
@FACUNCHOS
@FACUNCHOS Жыл бұрын
@@heyitsmushu7393 half the cost and almost twice as fast. The ammo cheap af is a big W
@KickinAshWoodCo
@KickinAshWoodCo Жыл бұрын
Armored ladder hatches seem like a no-brainer!! Plz add these, Facepunch!
@bigwheel3742
@bigwheel3742 Жыл бұрын
For the Rock-It-Launcher, You would have to craft a Rock+Beancan Grenade to make the projectile, the projectile would then be loaded into the launcher with the Beancan grenades normal fuse hanging out of the top. The fuse would be the same as the Beancan, meaning the launcher could fire right away, or be delayed and even have a dud which you need to relight in order to shoot again. The model for the projectile would be a rock with a beancan taped on or you'd load the beancan and then stuff the rock down. You could even have a "go green" idea to the launcher and have it launch all kinds of recycled garbage, nails from the nailgun, metal fragments, e.t.c
@Braxt-n
@Braxt-n Жыл бұрын
Armored ladder hatch is something we've been needing this needs to happen
@dboydev
@dboydev Жыл бұрын
Making the battery portable and requiring it to be charged to open unpowered monument doors would be amazing. It would encourage everyone to have electricity or at least a basic understanding
@boogyman793
@boogyman793 Жыл бұрын
Make propane tank grate again, consider this feature. - make Empty Propane Tank as a placeable item - make it accept water of 5,000ml - water input - ajustable water output from 10 to 0,2 ml per sec This small, but extremely useful feature make small farms, incredibly good.
@Sniff-Sniffa
@Sniff-Sniffa Жыл бұрын
5:55 I think I will die of old age before I see an armored ladder hatch.
@ElkayLive
@ElkayLive Жыл бұрын
Same!
@pumpkin7301
@pumpkin7301 Жыл бұрын
MRE should be a scientist drop with a decent instant health bonus or maybe a health increase boost like the one tea
@WhyYouAskingMe
@WhyYouAskingMe Жыл бұрын
I wonder if FacePunch will ever have a concept for fixing all the ESPing and Aimbotting that is an unmitigated plague on their game.
@kenny31000
@kenny31000 Жыл бұрын
that what the new recoil was for to stop aimbotting but that backfired just f7 report players who kill you that the best way or play on servers that bann cheaters quickly
@OddEyeGuy
@OddEyeGuy Жыл бұрын
Just don't play official service bro play ones that are actually moderated
@AkACyber
@AkACyber Жыл бұрын
@@kenny31000 incorrect, the recoil was to mitigate scripters who used pre-recorded recoil control.(still need to click heads to hit)
@anubis7589
@anubis7589 Жыл бұрын
They wont, they make to much money off of it. Keep dreaming
@dyskilz
@dyskilz Жыл бұрын
Conceeepptt liiiiiimmboooo
@drizitgaming
@drizitgaming Жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I love all of those. As a builder I want the armored ladder hatch... However I think I want to be able to drop meat for animals more.
@budgetcoinhunter
@budgetcoinhunter Жыл бұрын
For the MRE, I'd imagine you'd have to have cooked potatoes and corn first, and then you'd use the mixing table to combine a cooked meat and a cooked potato/corn, with a tarp (or other suitable component for plastic) for packaging in a ratio (say, 4 cooked meat, 4 cooked potatoes, 1 tarp for 4 MREs). Of course, if you can cook vegetables, you'd need to have them give you seeds upon harvest like hemp, rather than upon consumption as they do now.
@thatcooldudeisawesome876
@thatcooldudeisawesome876 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking it's more like an uncraftable item which can only be found similar to certain airdrop items yet your idea does sounds intriguing and does give tarp a use instead of free cloth, quick frog boots or massive water farm.
@Gorg-oe1hu
@Gorg-oe1hu Жыл бұрын
Actual rivers would be nice. Ones that don't float on top of land and that actually go through the map and not half a grid.
@diane8996
@diane8996 Жыл бұрын
What I've been wanting is an ATV/quad, even before the introduction of the snowmobile. Same concept where it is a two person vehicle. The idea of battery powered vehicles is interesting, though. Grab a small battery, charge it up at your base, then pick it up and plop it in your vehicle and go. May even be something that could be done with the drones?
@randomdude8310
@randomdude8310 Жыл бұрын
We need "Roof Frames". Similar to the floor frames that can be used with ladder hatches (love the armored hatches and would love a 3 tier system for that). The roof frames could be used with doors/windows/bars/hatches to make a geodesic dome or similar? Imagine the garden bases, or roof defense, or whatever you could do with that extra functionality.
@travv88
@travv88 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the fear striked into your heart as you hear the pogo guys approaching. Leaping over your defenses. I think you should not be able to use weapons while on it, but it should be something you can put in and take out of your inventory. It should be a higher tier than a ladder, maybe tier 2. It helps you access places you otherwise couldn't have, but isn't necessary.
@TheOctodread
@TheOctodread Жыл бұрын
Facepunch should also add a rechargeable battery module for cars, so that we can run them without low grade fuel
@DiphdatheFrog
@DiphdatheFrog Жыл бұрын
Armoured hatches (square and triangle) would be a real good addition
@itsLeels
@itsLeels Жыл бұрын
5:39 hehehe ya found a way to put the TEAM in there. Love ya bud.
@niftykillswitch99
@niftykillswitch99 Жыл бұрын
Armored ladder hatch, sheet metal and armored high external walls/gates, armored window embrasures, skylight windows, watch for in game time, motorcycle, ATV/quad, MRE, all of these I hope we see
@hoffm43n
@hoffm43n Жыл бұрын
i think if Facepunch will make that every extra floor u make in your base will make upkeep x3 at least ,that actually will avoid a lot of the bad things in game. *LESS ROOF CAMP *MORE FPS *MORE PVP on ground the only people who wont like that kind of update will be 20+ people groups which are obviously too strong all ready.
@thefriendlychap4132
@thefriendlychap4132 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of a battery powered hovercraft. This will happen, at least in plugin form.
@peterpolizzo4528
@peterpolizzo4528 Жыл бұрын
Shadowfrax they really need to add the screaming when you get downed again that was so crazy IDk why they took it out... I loved itttt
@pheumann86
@pheumann86 Жыл бұрын
At first I thought the weapon strap was for something else and that I think would totally make sense as an attachment: quick drawing. I think there was a mag on PUBG which would allow you to switch to that weapon faster. Something like that should be in Rust.
@pepsilove6306
@pepsilove6306 Жыл бұрын
I like the rock/potato cannon concept. make it require a diving tank as a ammo/fuel source. make it make a annoying hissing sound as it charges up, maybe even make it extra spicy and give it like a 5 or 10% to explode on ya and deal x amount of dmg.
@benebluesman
@benebluesman Жыл бұрын
The pogo should give 1.5-2x jumping height with a one shot powder assist of like 4-5x .. normal fall DMG still applies.
@MaxisGameplays
@MaxisGameplays Жыл бұрын
the rock-it-launcher works like the so called potato cannon. You open the backend, spray the insides, close it, put in the rock and spark it trough an electric wire.
@skizzoo
@skizzoo Жыл бұрын
Glad Ashens is posting again!
@CorvusVonRex
@CorvusVonRex Жыл бұрын
Love Armored hatch, MREs and weapon sling attachment
@queendampi291
@queendampi291 Жыл бұрын
I'd sell my soul for a pogo stick in RUST!
@sulysan
@sulysan Жыл бұрын
Could you please make a video about cheaters as to bring more attentions to this plague? FP, EAC and Steam have yet to address this properly. The concept of them profiting from cheaters is more and more present as a strong belief in the community.
@noodlewater12
@noodlewater12 Жыл бұрын
the rockzooka should requir 10 hamdmades. that way you have to craft 10 eokas or make the shells so ot has some sort of propellent. Would be a fun troll weapon alond with if you can blunderbus it with random barrel items
@DenethorDurrandir
@DenethorDurrandir Жыл бұрын
Pogo gang, reminded me of the awesome music video for Duke Dumont - Won't Look Back, thanks for that
@Masterkeaf
@Masterkeaf Жыл бұрын
Sling should increase weapon ready/ads. Something like 25% increase.
@shaunodea9454
@shaunodea9454 Жыл бұрын
Pretty good idea. But u add ext mag holo and laser.. soo many rage quitters in pvp fights.. it wont happen
@odyss160
@odyss160 Жыл бұрын
mre irl have heat chemistry so you can warm up your food and beverage. Also includes coffee. I'd imagine rust mre could not only heal you but for the colder environments keeps you marginally warmer for a duration even if you're naked. Maybe also with the caffeine you get a small boost in reduced damage you recieved because it's a stimulant at the cost of losing your thirst a little. Maybe it's a slow heal over time? Different menu mre gives different buffs as well as debuffs making it situational?
@Private.Willie.Stroker
@Private.Willie.Stroker Жыл бұрын
Still not a bear skull to make a bear hat.. Or even a simple bicycle smh Also the mortar, rabbits, and another flamethrower are still waiting in the shadowfiles...
@hyper8545
@hyper8545 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe there isn't slingshot yet
@JonnyDarcko
@JonnyDarcko Жыл бұрын
Tier two hatches would change the entire building scene. Hatches are the biggest weakness of builds and the reason why we just use triangles instead. Maybe people would actually use them again.
@moto3463
@moto3463 Жыл бұрын
Armoured ladder hatches and shop fronts please!
@CoastyCody
@CoastyCody Жыл бұрын
I played a modded servers that had working pogo sticks (3 levels of bounce) and you could travel the map faster than anything else. I would drop on kids as soon as their air drop landed. It was so fun.
@justinl2606
@justinl2606 Жыл бұрын
MRE should fill over half of calorie bar but VERY slowly. It should also require water to use, otherwise consuming the MRE raw requires hydration penalty.
@gdgd5194
@gdgd5194 Жыл бұрын
8:05 ... I dead xDDDDD Give that guy who invented that idea a medal!
@lowvpro9651
@lowvpro9651 Жыл бұрын
Ladder hatch, weapon sling, seatbelts, hover craft, meat for animals.
@ayron419
@ayron419 Жыл бұрын
7:35 if they don't do seatbelts, they need to at least add them to the rear area of a scrap helicopter or something similar. it's currently way too easy to randomly fly out the back of one, even if the pilot isn't doing a dive or something.
@ayron419
@ayron419 Жыл бұрын
even if you still fly out if shot, just so random deaths stop lol.
@UtterUnit
@UtterUnit Жыл бұрын
Seat belts and slings could have durability... particularly for roof campers so they can't continuously use the same sling. They would at least have to resupply the slings.
@nicholasnoyes2328
@nicholasnoyes2328 Жыл бұрын
I like the concept with the animals in the meat. A good way to slowly implement. It could be to open up a storage space for the bear trap and possibly implement using them on animals to Luer them in to the trap. Great video!
@user-mx4np2pd3j
@user-mx4np2pd3j Жыл бұрын
Add a musket now, tier 1 "eoka" rifle with a fuse like a medieval one.
@dragonmateX
@dragonmateX Жыл бұрын
We need the armoured ladder hatch, top down raids are all too common and having the equivalent of a sheet metal door for protection from a top down isn't the greatest.
@linkdabest
@linkdabest Жыл бұрын
MRE's would actually make sense! Back in Legacy we had Small Rations. Basically MRE
@shadow392
@shadow392 Жыл бұрын
You’ve discovered a new form of torture… just strap someone to a chain and force them to watch a 10hour loop of the armored ladder hatch😂
@niskunixon3431
@niskunixon3431 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully the MREs give off a little hiss when opened. Nice
@MXjoel275
@MXjoel275 Жыл бұрын
i think a sling shot with metal ball bearings as ammo could be a fun addition to the prim weapons list ?
@aenstreams1998
@aenstreams1998 Жыл бұрын
I want that armored ladder hatch so bad 😩
@lowkey_american413
@lowkey_american413 Жыл бұрын
I actually liked a few of the things listed in the video today. It all stuck with rusts concept, something the newer players won’t understand and are ruining
@sgt.scorpio9922
@sgt.scorpio9922 Жыл бұрын
MRE is dry so it should dehydrate you atleast -40. You can drink water to survive thirst. Or adding water with package meal create a dehydration+10 and food bar +60-80. Cause it's a full course meal. And creating it needs to be exact same amount nutritional value foods. About the name. It should be called "MRE" and what inside package looks like"MRE(CORN,BEAR MEAT, PUMPKIN)"
@austinrhymer757
@austinrhymer757 Жыл бұрын
I like the seat belt bc i don't know how many times me or my teammate have DC while in the passenger seat of a heli and haven't been able to find the body, or just having to land which is a huge pain.
@Baer1990
@Baer1990 Жыл бұрын
5:15 would be cool if you had to use it with the spray paint can and shoot it like an eoka
@x0tre
@x0tre Жыл бұрын
pookie bear underwater thats me i love pookie bears :D
@tomdaviestravel
@tomdaviestravel Жыл бұрын
Who has rust paused in the background to watch this episode of shadow slowly descending into madness
@ValAllenSamonte
@ValAllenSamonte Жыл бұрын
8:11 i think i proposed this before as well, poisoned meat using shrooms and berries, which when consumed will either: 1. damage the animal over time or 2. make them sleep (wakes up after being attacked)
@tykiahjames9372
@tykiahjames9372 Жыл бұрын
Mmmm narco berries
@lifelinedoesark5434
@lifelinedoesark5434 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the weapon strap armored ladder hatch and MRE are prob something facepunch might actually implement as they seem like something the game needs
@Dearil.
@Dearil. Жыл бұрын
MRE should be found in military monuments
@schulzg
@schulzg Жыл бұрын
My picks would be: Armored ladder, the pogo stick but only as a j/h skin, and lastly, I think the hoverkart is authentically designed. 👍🏼
@selinamularz9194
@selinamularz9194 Жыл бұрын
Armored ladder hatch would be so awesome
@wedabestmusic3242
@wedabestmusic3242 Жыл бұрын
LOVE THE VIDS MAN
@SHADOWFRAX
@SHADOWFRAX Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@theone614777
@theone614777 Жыл бұрын
MRE could increase your hunger bar limit from 200-220 for a few hours.
@killerblunt420
@killerblunt420 Жыл бұрын
The ladder hatch is the most exciting thing i have seen and would love to see it in
@mr.zomboss
@mr.zomboss Жыл бұрын
*YES!!! CONCEPT LIMBO!!!* but the last in this year... See ya next 2023!
@grumpymonk2375
@grumpymonk2375 Жыл бұрын
i love painting rocks
@cdwell1
@cdwell1 Жыл бұрын
MRE is a great idea. I think you could even have it do something like only fill food, but if you have a water bottle or a water jug in your inv it will fill more food and also water.🤔
@Ace_UE
@Ace_UE Жыл бұрын
Armoured Ladder Hatch Meat As Distractions (Less meat for Less of a threat) BEARtraps working on BEARS MRE cause why not
@TommyGun4764
@TommyGun4764 Жыл бұрын
Hovercraft a great idea. Going from land to water, water to and what's not to like? '
@plankdancer
@plankdancer Жыл бұрын
I've always thought loud noises should scare animals. So tier 2 and above weapons should scare them away but silenced weapons shouldn't scare them. Deers get scared already so it doesn't make sense that during a 10 man fire fight a bear is casually looking for a snack.
@user-hq1vg7jt5c
@user-hq1vg7jt5c Жыл бұрын
i love you man hope everyhting is well
@Twitch_Fox
@Twitch_Fox Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a spud launcher that has to be pumped like the water guns
@siro666sbrahmanarchive4
@siro666sbrahmanarchive4 Жыл бұрын
pogo stick is something facepunch would 100% add as a joke
@Katsuhi50
@Katsuhi50 Жыл бұрын
You know there are other types of rocket launchers out there and we haven't gotten anything in the explosive weapon department in a hot minute, how about a more military grade variant like a Hive launcher or something that has lock-on features for air vehicles it would let us put SAM turret missles to an alternate use and as long as its not craftable would still see enough balance for it to not be everywhere, maybe a new sort of enemy boss at air field or something along those lines has a shot at dropping it or it drops in the locked crate there.
@Shadicals
@Shadicals Жыл бұрын
Armored LH would be great, no patches. And the MRE, but I would change the US Gov. logo into a Cobalt logo and I would make it better than a pumpkin, as though I would say you can only eat it while having a fire close to you. And I would make it not craftable but lootable it would be in my books as rare as a MP5A4.
@sonnyfazclips2474
@sonnyfazclips2474 Жыл бұрын
Dude we need jet skis, make a craftable version and premium version you can buy at fishing village, that would be awesome
@Claudehopper
@Claudehopper Жыл бұрын
7:40 Regarding the feeding of bears to distract them, It would NOT be realistic. One of the first things you learn about bear defense is NOT to feed it! when you run out, you're dead! Instead there should be Bear Spray in the game. It would also be a quieter way of getting rid of them than guns, and it would make more sense. I wonder how Bear Spray could play a role in Pvp?? I think it'd be interesting.
@freakfreak786
@freakfreak786 Жыл бұрын
i really want this boat thingy would allow me to build a boat base off shore
@littleking2565
@littleking2565 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to be able to use a targeting computer to unlock doors, if not for raiding at least to claim that juicy skinned door from a raided base that I have TC access to.
@adsileo3400
@adsileo3400 Жыл бұрын
7:23 it could be nerfed by making it so that you can't move into that spot unless you physically get out and move the corpse meaning that shooting a pilot out of the vehicle could doom the occupant if they had one or still drop the corpse
@mr.shambles
@mr.shambles Жыл бұрын
would be OP to throw a hatchet through the hatch of the ladder hatch
@Mrmeek4-m6s
@Mrmeek4-m6s Жыл бұрын
the MREs should have the debuf of either making so you cant poop or you poop soo much and loose hunger bar points
@travv88
@travv88 Жыл бұрын
ARMORED LADDER HATCH
@granienasniadanie8322
@granienasniadanie8322 5 ай бұрын
It would be fun to make rock-it be able to shootout beancan granades and make them explode on impact. Would it be overpowered? Yes. Would seeing a naked with a primitive rock slinger and a bunch of homemade grenades solo a fully armored zerg with aks be hilarious? Also yes.
@AnotherFancyUser
@AnotherFancyUser Жыл бұрын
0:13 I see what you did there ✌
@DrummerJacob
@DrummerJacob Жыл бұрын
Steve1989 (the guy that keeps everyones' subathons going overnight) would love the MRE. He might even do a review on one in-game when it gets released.
@realAlpha
@realAlpha Жыл бұрын
not gona lie i love the idea of using small batterys for vehicles because they are useless for most electrical things i build
@amosblake3478
@amosblake3478 Жыл бұрын
MRE gives you a debuff, ex stream constipation.
@Tish2402
@Tish2402 Жыл бұрын
fan of the armoured hatch, throwing meat at hungry killer animals
@L9_and_1278_others
@L9_and_1278_others Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for land-on
@TheLifeOfAnIndividual
@TheLifeOfAnIndividual Жыл бұрын
The pogo stick would be funny but throwing meat to animals would promote funny base defense
@OldManPaxusYT
@OldManPaxusYT Жыл бұрын
Animals being attracted to food has ALWAYS been a thing but i have never tried it while they are attacking
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