Shadowlands Beta - After Frost DK Nerf - Necrolord vs Kyrian

[@Lardreye]

I know right now we only have PTR live but my FS crits for 2k and my obis crit 1k on obliterate spec, fucking horrible...

[@darksword1337]

Yea, its not great. lol the multiple nerfs to oblit on prepatch.. ooof.

[@tonyrap7257]

I feel you... sad

[@Ren3gade]

Blizz ruined it, just like in BFA... but now even worse! So many poor decisions coming out of Blizzard. Their designers/devs most definitely do not play the game...

[@dimitri9262]

Is Unholy better that Frost now?With this nerf I fell like all the people will take Unholy Necrolords and Blood Venthyrs. System of system of systems.... Thats the result: all the power in artificials expansion systems and not into the class. Legion was ok because every spec had a weapon with good spells and it was more clear and simple but now it's world of farm your systems to be strong and I take your subs money.

[@shiugen676]

@@dimitri9262 unholy is strong on prepatch and beta

[@Buffalo_ill]

I went back to DW frost today when I noticed my blood spec death strike did way more damage than 2h oblits on a dummy.

[@whoischris28]

Is dw worth trying? I havent played dw since wotlk and when i picked dk back up in 8.3 i was unholy

[@Chaserbl]

New video, let me get popcorns

[@darksword1337]

Awww yea!!

[@Xenogardlekikou]

Thanks for the last words 16:40. I'm seriously considering changing class despite all the preparations because pre-patch has been utter garbage...

[@alaskanstrat6618]

where are you finding the patch notes for the ptr , cant seem to find anything up to date

[@chetsaxton1526]

Discovered, by testing the night fae mastery buff on the beta, only the secondary stats from your gear has diminishing returns. My dk has 40% mastery but when i dropped death's due i was at 60% which is the full 20% from the ten stacks. So you can gear up to 41% (16% base + 25% gear) and will see no diminishing returns.

[@chetsaxton1526]

Also it looks like trinket secondary stat procs count as stats on gear is it is effected by the diminishing returns but i did not get to test that part out yet because when i get on my lvl 60 dk the game bugs and kicks me off, but not when i am on my lvl 50's sitting on the boat.

[@gv.5084]

SPriests have super sustain and high dmg, Paladins are one shotting ppl but yeah WE are the ones that needs nerfing

[@darksword1337]

Truuuu!

[@oliverbloom4508]

Honestly with all the new runeforges enchants they should allow DKs to use 2 runeforges on 2h weapons. This would fix most issues and add some flavour to the class... unholy and blood with 2 runeforges would be very fun.

[@bballprostar16]

How are UH DK's looking for pvp? I don't want to play UH, but was just curious if they received any significant nerfs as frost did, or if they are still in a good place? I know you don't cover UH dk hardly at all, but I was jw. Thanks!

[@stevestevens9276]

Unholy DK is really strong right now in pre patch, in fact you pretty much have to play it since frost dk is terrible in pre patch.

[@chetsaxton1526]

Fixed my dk log in issue, been playing around with a personal talent set up which is 2 handed breath. I'm able to breath burst for 25 to 30 seconds, while being able to have a lot of the 2 handed damage out of my breath window. I don't pvp so I care more about pve. This is the only time that I use the new talent that replaced fury.

[@XXkAoTIcDo0mXX]

Can someone tell me what shoulders hazzed has? im looking to finish off my transmog and those match

[@finjafs251]

What do you think about the night fae for pve one of them gives mastery too which stacks and obliterate hits 2 targets is night fae still the go to for pve?

[@MORE2Clay]

So, Lead by Example conduit for Necrolord for max Obliterate burst?

[@matthewoneill6159]

Hazzed whats go to options for 2 handed frost with runeforging im struggling to decide which one to go with man

[@darksword1337]

Razorice gives more overall damage while fallen crusader gives more burst. That being said, you can have both with the glacial advanced talent.

[@matthewoneill6159]

@@darksword1337 thankyou so much!! Really appreciate the reply

[@InfestationPony]

Future is definitely brighter for FDKs. Problem is, it's even brighter for rogues, warlocks and shadow priests.

[@Frosty616.]

Bro love your vids!!! what are you thinking for stat prot for PVE come shadowlands? specifically for like 12-17+ Keys? Would love your input on this!

[@Frosty616.]

For the 2h build! Sorry didnt mention that.

[@derpycorndog9389]

does unholy stack on mast or hast its a fun spec but i cant remember what stat it focus on

[@vierkantbonsai7450]

BoS haste - obliterate mastery, bos sucks in arena cuz everybody just runs away from you so you go mastery sir!

[@mongoosemcmongoose2786]

What "strength scaling" are you talking about on abomb limb? I cannot find this anywhere

[@shinncinati23]

He doesnt know what he is talking about majority of the time. There is a reason the people on the DK discord bash his videos and warn people not to listen to him.

[@mongoosemcmongoose2786]

@@shinncinati23 😂🤣 yeah I was like “wtf is going on here??” Unless is just the actual fact that it’s a higher ap coeff??

[@lllFeanorlll]

Abomination Limb should be ahead, well ahead given the 2 minute cooldown. But it won't be so the CD needs to come down.

[@RivalzMtG]

So as a frost Dk main, should I unsub or will blizz save us

[@MORE2Clay]

since they reverted the nerf on the obliterate legendary I would wait and see what the future brings.

[@nikitalukichev4778]

the answer is go warr man, cant see fdk since wod

[@blazentheamazing5661]

i main fdk and ret so it looks like i may just be playing ret lol

[@mikeedub9869]

Don’t forget that tier sets are coming back after Castle Nathria. I’m sure set bonus for frost will have some form of oblit increased dmg too

[@EvylynWoW]

I don't feel like they should buff dk again but i do feel they should nerf other classes also to line up with the same damage as your currently doing and making it more balanced as we dont want to kill people within seconds in arena, may seem fun at first but it can get really boring if there's no challenge.

[@johntea3278]

Yo Hazzed. First thank you for all your vids lately, allowing us to keep passion for our spec, and hope for the 2H build when SL is out. In this very well documented vid, can someone explain to me why and how, at 4.38, when abo limb is poped, we get 14K KM oblit crits, whereas before abolimb, it's 6K KM oblit crits. Is abo limb giving some AP bonus ? That big ? Thanks.

[@luuidz1966]

Yo is death strike and frostwyrm still nerfed in PvP on the beta? Pretty much dead buttons in the prepatch

[@vierkantbonsai7450]

True also with the ds proc it heals for nothing in comparison to lichborne deathcoil window... Which heals for nothing in comparsion to other classes

[@dumorte]

When u say ptr do you mean live pre patch? Or is that also as bad for frosties

[@darksword1337]

Yee prepatch. Yeee

[@dumorte]

@@darksword1337 :(

[@Darktalent1986]

I really hate to say it but I'm probably going to make DK my alt this go around. I can't stand the way they hate on the class so much - it's terrible to login and LITERALLY feel sick to your stomach because you know you aren't NEAR competitive. Arms War/Frost Mage is what I'm looking at now - hopefully they do a quick change on Frost DK bc I used to love it so much.

[@JohnyyTsunami]

is frost good to run in SL or is unholy gonna be better?

[@WarMachineDown]

What sword is that and why is it so damn big??

[@NickC2013]

Thinking of rolling DK for walking dead comp with my WW friend, would that be frost or uh?

[@darksword1337]

Either or would work but, normally walking dead is frost.

[@hvdiv17]

you may want to go night fae for that 10$ damage increase while they are above 75% and below 35% that would make up for the nerfs wouldnt it?

[@ag0n1an]

Anotha one! Bruh you spoilin' us dawg...

[@darksword1337]

ooo content!

[@kroven009]

I can only dream of getting sub rogue burst dmg

[@vierkantbonsai7450]

Dk's wont get the nuclear launch codes from the subs.

[@thomashawk5177]

I don’t have beta so instead of playing my nerfed Frost I picked up mm since they have been untouched for some reason. I do want to play Frost but it’s just too big of a nerf. I am excited to play frost at 60 though once shadowlands is out.

[@darksword1337]

Yea, competing with that kind burst in prepatch right now. Not very enjoyable.

[@cynergi7498]

MM hunter is ridiculous in pre patch.. Even with shitty gear damage is broken

[@darksword1337]

Went into a random bg. 50% of horde team was MM hunters focusing targets. OOF Lol

[@thomashawk5177]

@@darksword1337 I’m not even geared or fully azerited and I can kill someone from stealth in like 3 seconds as mm it’s crazy. You are right half the games are MM too it’s insane!

[@cougarsr00]

Shadow priests and elemental shaman are laughing at the mm hunters 😂

[@cynergi7498]

In the end uh still outperforming Frost in SL in pve and pvp you would say hazzed?

[@darksword1337]

In pvp they are both really strong. Ide say unholy is most likely a bit better but, not by much. Even arguably close. In terms of pve. No idea lol

[@cynergi7498]

@@darksword1337 Sounds great, thanks for the reply!

[@Docris]

Ye looks like frost is sittin in the middle of the dps pack, with unholy way in front but, im gonna try to stick with the frost.

[@ivogeorgiev9277]

Love yyour videos man!

[@c4n4d4]

They really fucked the game up, CDs increase your damage like 400-500% right now leaving kill pressure way too heavily reliant on having CDs up rather than proper control and CC

[@driiifter]

I think Blizzard is just anti pvp. Would explain a lot of the things they do.

[@HlghV0LTag3]

WoW 2 single player with NPCs confirmed?

[@gyulfiechuka1884]

im going away from the idea to play dk as main for SL but i still like those videos :)

[@EdgeyStyle]

Frost isn't that bad and can still do thing (i've try some arena) but unholy is wayyyyyyy more powerfull

[@keller6920]

Omg why 2h frostrike animation looks so bad?

[@darksword1337]

They reused the death strike animation and added frost colors. Deff could look cooler.

[@keller6920]

@@darksword1337 This animation really bad for this kind of abilites.

[@sullyvain]

dude even after "nerf" obliterate still hits hard and the healing makes you guys super tanky, I do like that they went back to 2H.

[@vandakaii2893]

literally had to park my DK on retail cause its horrific... I mean compared to others its just fkin trash... Ill come back to it for SL for sure and pray to god lvl 60 is where we find life again but as of right now its just awful and went back to outplaying ppl with my outlaw rogue cause atleast there i have some fun. And DO NOT get me started on how broken hunts are right now... sigh..

[@nivis1943]

Kyrian got another nerf the orbs now increase the time by 1 second not 3

[@darksword1337]

Yea i heard about that! Think i said something about it then forgot to test it LOL.

[@nivis1943]

@@darksword1337 Yoo how far into the necrolord campaign do I need to go into to unlock Emeni... takes for ever...

[@darksword1337]

@@nivis1943 Not 100% sure it seems like its a side quest that you pick up in the necrolord main city area.

[@blazentheamazing5661]

But if the nerfs on pre patch stays won’t we still suck in shadow land ?

[@vierkantbonsai7450]

Thats what im asking myself too 😂

[@vierkantbonsai7450]

But i guess it gets better because of the 52 and 58 talent compared with legendaries etc. We should at least be viable

[@MORE2Clay]

I love your channel

[@DE-wq8cp]

It's just bad marketing. Game gets Delayed for 2+ months, now your favorite class is nerfed and no actuall pre patch content yet. Doesnt incitivise people to resub.

[@darksword1337]

Do got a point.

[@Uputz]

After watching this video this is the only response I can think of... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH61o4GPZdWrnK8

[@darksword1337]

accurate!

[@naalir6120]

Dks are fine after nerfs

[@eltonazevedo1361]

go unholy and u break every class in the game in 5/6 secs! easy as fuck! im not a fucking gladiator as DK but i reach 2500 easy as fuck in unholy playing 2v2 with a disc priest... just go unholy and stop trying to be Frostitutes frost is clearly good for pve only!