NEW Apple TV 4K Gen III: A Worthy Upgrade for Indoor Cycling Apps?

[@hahnzey]

Only a cyclist would weigh his AppleTV. Thanks for the great video, Shane.

[@TheKytoza]

😂😂😂😂

[@hojer104]

The new model is definitely more aero. I like it.

[@ridesofjapan]

Weight matters! ❤

[@flomotion6165]

How many Watts do we save due to the lower weight?

[@bluesthemoose]

“It acts as a Thread border router, but this doesn’t Matter for now” 👏👏👏 chapeau.

[@MrLuigi-oi7gm]

Zwift really needs to play catch-up and take advantage of the capabilities of the new Apple TV. The chip in the new version is more than capable of delivering better graphics than what Zwift is allowing. 🤦‍♂️

[@stephenbetley9596]

I'm still hopeful that the graphics profile will be updated to release the medium or possibly high options once Zwift have tested performance. Very much doubt anywhere close to ultra. Still, will be ugrading anyway more due to the A15, ethernet, smaller form factor, and absolutely the remote.

[@alexharris222]

I’ve got a basic HD Apple TV from 2018, looks like it might be time to upgrade

[@ItsExetic]

What is the point of Apple TVs nowadays besides stuff like Zwift? I haven't had a TV without smart functionalities in a decade, a couple with airplay, so it has confused me how this product has become so popular🤔

[@igvabe]

200g lighter, definitely taking that one with me on my next bike ride :-)

[@petedrewett8439]

It’s lighter but is it more aero?

[@rudilacht6125]

Thanks for this helpful video. i stuck with my „Gaming“ PC for now

[@leegilch]

How does the new Apple TV work with RGT?. Any Improvements.

[@gplama]

I suspect it'll be the same until they update the game to take advantage of any hardware improvements. I wasn't able to load RGT as it was asking for the older style remote... I gave up pretty quickly. I hope they add new remote support soon.

[@reneberresheim1286]

Oh Lord, what a lovely boy. Father and Son Relationship, great to see

[@nolanvini]

Biggest surprise, apple still providing a power cable or any cable to be exact in 2022. I wonder how much longer that will last!

[@dashorty6829]

Cool end with Maxi 👍

[@You-Tuber2024]

What’s the difference between Apple TV and air screening your phone to a TV via fire stick?

[@srant]

Great vid! $150 is a great solution for my 1995 Zwift graphics :)

[@chrisobyrne5675]

Any improvements, even very small, to the remote and selecting options on Zwift is tempting. I dread trying to pick a work out that is more than one folder down in the drop down menus……I can be there for ages and at times have been known to give up and go and grab an iPad!

[@cvdavis]

Agreed - that remote is a nightmare!

[@overland_adventure_nz]

Thank you so much for testing this out, you have saved me so good money. I’ll stick with my 2021 Apple TV 4K and my Stages SB20 setup 👍

[@gplama]

Until Zwift pull a swifty and make it run in 2.7k resolution…. (I wish!)

[@bittiapina]

I think I'll stick to my first gen 4k Apple TV, I don't even have a 4k TV so it doesn't really matter, and the way electricity bills are probably going up this winter (here in Finland at least), I'll probably be using my 2020 M1 MBA instead of using the big TV to Zwift, minimizing power usage the best I can while still getting my training done... unless the power goes off 😬

[@MrMartin246]

Zwift always run 1080p on an Apple TV, so will never take advantage of a 4K TV. However the details il the image processing/generation, the graphic engine, is not the same. The game engine can take advantage of better processes to render a more detailed image in the 1080p pixel map, adding details, shadows, frame rate, etc. So Zwift will not run 4K one way or another. What people hope is the the details will improve with the newer hardware.

[@joshuanicholson420]

Hmmm no carbon fibre, over 200g and no gravel edition, think I will wait a bit longer until I upgrade. Generation 2 is doing fine for the moment

[@wallaceharvey2574]

Nice video. Does this mean that the Mac Mini M2 will utilize the enhanced graphics profile from the latest 1.47 update ? I wasn’t sure if that model came with a silicon chip. Would be nice if it did as that would probably be one of the less expensive options to add on for these new enhanced graphics.

[@diracflux]

The Bluetooth limitation is disappointing. I’m currently using an iPad and it "just works" with my HRM, old Kickr and cadence thingy. It’s more reliable than using the companion app for pairing. Was hoping an Apple TV could replace the iPad.

[@gplama]

You could get an ATV4K and use the iPad with the Companion App to pair all the BLE devices.

[@diracflux]

Good point :) My difficulty is with occasional NBN dropouts, and Zwift seems to recover more quickly and far more reliably when devices are connected to the same device as the main Zwift app compared to pairing on a seperate device via the companion app (which is a bit hit and miss).

[@madmalkav6540]

@@gplama or used the iPad or iPhone as remote for the AppleTV , thus freeing one BT connection? Just theory, don't have a way for testing it.

[@diracflux]

@@madmalkav6540 That’s a brilliant idea, thanks! Would be a good tip for Shane to put in a video.

[@jeffduncan9347]

Gotta come give it a watch Shane, even though I break out in hives and have a hard time breathing when I get anywhere close to an Apple Store. 🙄

[@ImGlossy63]

Hey guys, great content. But I have a question.. got the wife’s approval to finally get off the iPhone while using Zwift. The plan is a 50” Samsung, TV stand and Apple TV. I’m currently running the Saris H3 smart trainer and a Wahoo TICKR X heart rate monitor. So question is, will I be needing anything else?

[@michwoz]

With it being so much lighter, cooling may suck. And whole performance gain from better CPU may dissipate... contrary to heat.

[@Javi_C]

Was waiting on this one, thank you.

[@VirgilOvid]

Have Zwift fully supported remote navigation yet? I remember last video you did still had some jank in moving around the UI.

[@jordanlabudda3983]

Is it possible to use a computer monitor screen rather than a TV for Apple tv zwift?

[@gplama]

Sure. It just needs a HDMI input.

[@topgroover]

Is it possible to give Ride on's to individuals using the Apple TV remote? Thanks in advance. I don't use the companion app while running.

[@gplama]

Not that I’m aware of.

[@jasontapping2192]

Thanks, another useful video - was thinking of upgrading from gen 2 4K but will hold on now until they tweak the profile for Zwift! Was there a usb c cable included for charging the remote?

[@gplama]

No USBC cable in the box (that I could see anyway). I’ll do an update to this video when Zwift tweak the graphics.

[@topgroover]

Hi Shane. Maybe daft question but is there a subscription for Apple TV when using it for Zwift. I know the subs for Zwift. Thanks Wayne.

[@gplama]

You just need an Apple ID to download/install Zwift. Zwift itself will require a monthly subscription.

[@whaleshark2625]

Any updates on whether we're likely to see any graphics quality updates Shane?

[@gplama]

Still waiting to hear what's in the December Zwift update....

[@whaleshark2625]

@@gplama wow lightning fast reply! Thank you! I pulled the trigger on a discounted KICKR Bike so considering either getting a new ATV for the living room and moving the 4K Gen2 to the pain cave to make it easier to switch accounts, or just sticking with my M1 Pro Macbook.

[@Wfuntime3]

Mr. Shane would you recommend the ticker X for use with the Apple TV for getting heart rate and cadence? Or is there something you would recommend that is better? Thanks!

[@gplama]

That'll work fine for HR. I'd use a proper cadence sensor for that data.

[@mhffox252]

Hello, I use Zwift with a gammer notebook without problems, it works perfectly. But my older brother bought a smart trainer and I have to set it up. For that I need the operation and start-up to be as simple and fast as possible, since he does not understand technology and connections. The idea is to make it as simple as possible. For that reason I thought about doing it through Apple TV 4K since your television has 4K resolution. I see that there are Apple TVs of various generations 1, 2 and 3. Without a doubt the best is the last one, but I would like to know if it also works well with generation 1 and 2 or what are the possible problems for not choosing generation 3. Here in Argentina you can't find all the products and they are very expensive, that's why I'm evaluating options. Thank you so much.

[@gplama]

The best option is the latest AppleTV 4K.

[@roybrooksbank1074]

Would you say it's worth upgrading from gen1 4KATV to get the improved new remote rather then just buying the remote .you would then have the updated hardware if they do make use of the extra performance

[@gplama]

It depends if Zwift (and others?) update their platforms to take advantage of the new A15 chip.

[@anthonyreeckman96]

It seemed to me Max was the star of the show 😉

[@stephenprice4739]

Hi Shane. Thanks for video. Can you tell me if you connect the ATV 4k Gen 3 to a HD TV not a UHD TV would there be an improvement graphics and speed. Or would I need a 4K TV. Thanks Steve

[@sportfittech]

The game is always rendered in 1080. The menus on a UHD TV will be in 4K. When riding the game graphics will be same on both HD and UHD TV’s

[@briandewey5401]

whats the weight diff between the two controllers

[@gplama]

I have no idea.

[@ZwiftDude]

Any news on Wahoo V2 Kickr Bike review timeframe?

[@gplama]

Don't hold out for it. It's 99.99% the same as V1. There really isn't much to cover.

[@michaelkennedy9031]

Aussie pricing not available yet? Would also love to see an even larger storage. FulGaz basically never works for me unless the ride is pre downloaded limiting me to just a few big courses

[@gplama]

Aussie pricing on screen 0:26 (AU viewers are

[@baribari600]

I definitely need to upgrade; Zwift on the old Apple TV (I bought one used) is horrible. If you have a wired LAN, you're better off streaming it via Steam Link.

[@jareou]

Hello Shane, I started using apple TV4k 2022. I noticed on RGT you can see a lot better details, like scenery and shadows, versus Zwift. Do you think RGT updated its software/ graphics for apple TV unlike Zwift? Thanks.

[@gplama]

No idea. Do they have a detailed changelog to review?

[@jareou]

@@gplama Last update was 12/1/22, Bluetooth issue, but in 11/30/22, RGT did have some graphic updates. Hopefully Zwift will update to take full potential of apple tv, thanks.

[@lifeincycling]

Some people stick (or attempt to stick) their Apple TV on the back of the TV with double sided tape, this could be a good upgrade for them maybe.

[@tamika_braem]

How about installing? My Apple TV 3rd generation won't let me download Zwift because I need an Itunes account to do so. In the process of making one, I cannot find it anywhere. Can you please explain me how you did it?

[@gplama]

You’ll need an Apple ID. support.apple.com/en-au/HT204316

[@tamika_braem]

@@gplama yeah I do have a Apple ID but still it’s not working that’s why I’’m so confused

[@Spyder2275]

Would the Apple keyboard work with this on zwift, so that keyboard shortcuts (as available via pc) would work?

[@gplama]

They'd have to be specifically programmed to work, which I'd take guess they're not.

[@quantumdecoherence1289]

So if I understood correctly, no difference in Zwift graphics?

[@gplama]

Not yet.

[@Wfuntime3]

Need more Bluetooth connections!!! 😢

[@99cya]

@shane can you do a video about sauce on a macbook? i cant find any good recent info and im not sure if i should invest in it. seeing the different groups in a group ride seems very useful. also the drafting info is nice. the rest is probably not really a game changer but i might be wrong. do you use it? can you showcase it?

[@gplama]

Does it still need a 2nd Zwift account logged in to work? Seems like such a piss about to be honest.

[@99cya]

@@gplama oh rly does it? Yeah thats a no go

[@poutance]

Hi Shane, and thanks for the details. Any chance you tried RGT on this new AppleTV vs the previous ones and see any differences? Or just do a video to show how it looks?

[@gplama]

I loaded it. The installer was requesting the old style ATV remote. I tried logging in with the new remote…. No go. Wasn’t able to pull up the log in menu. I gave up.

[@poutance]

@@gplama Thanks for the lightning fast answer. Doesn't sound too appealing for the moment. Was it working beter on the previous 4k? Is it "nice" compared to a standard PC/iOS device? (sorry to bother you with that, there's not much resources about RGT/devices on the internet...)

[@pirminborer625]

I use steam remote play on my pc to stream to a raspberry pi 4 connected to the TV. Share usb Bluetooth dongle with USBIP over network. Works great for 1080p streaming.

[@SimoneChiaretta]

I still have the old HD version… doesn’t look they crappy as you show it to be honest. But maybe I’m just used to it. I just got the new 4k22 in the mail today. Let’s hope Zwift developers update the code to allow the new model and maybe use the new HW acceleration

[@gplama]

What was shown from the AppleTV HD was recorded directly from an AppleTV HD.

[@paultemple3859]

His demo was while following a Pace Partner which had many riders on the screen. Your experience is probably better if you are not in a congested area.

[@knut980]

I also have the old HD version. Was it worth the upgrade?

[@Angultra]

​@@knut980Nah all of them use basic graphics + 30fps, not worth it unless they update it

[@Lukas-bl9wy]

can u use an apple tv for zwift, without any other apple devices?

[@gplama]

Yes

[@jeron1847]

Omitting the Ethernet port on the cheaper device is the nastiest trick in the book from Apple I’ve seen up to this day. We’re talking literal cents in production costs and allowing the device to connect through Ethernet gives a huge bump to internet stability.

[@gplama]

How many people (aside from us nerds) still use Ethernet? It's becoming rare for home devices.

[@kedgeuk]

@@gplama could the Wahoo Direct Connect be plugged into an ATV?

[@mikeainsworth4504]

If it’s lighter than the previous version, will it help me get up AdZ quicker? 😂🤣

[@gplama]

Absolutely! 😉

[@lincolnweiden]

Any news on the Zwift appearance yet?

[@gplama]

Nothing yet

[@ben1619]

Do you know if wahoo RGT runs on apple TV? Thanks for the vid, trying to get info on this for my new winter setup and your the first to get it out.

[@gplama]

It does... but it was requesting the non-clicky remote when I installed it. I loaded it and wasn't able to log in with the new remote. I didn't have time to keep digging for solutions for that.

[@7mmLongRanger]

I have been using the 2017 4K Apple TV with RGT. I also paired the new remote without issue. You can ride a few routes for free so give it a whirl. The RGT remote app is also fairly useful. Will be curious to see if the new 4K TV gets a boost on RGT, since they don’t hold it back like Zwift does.

[@roynield9833]

I got 2 of the 128 GB ethernet versions today. No problems running RGT on them. The FPS is much higher even on high detail and as they have 4 GB RAM rather than the 3 GB of previous models RGT renders more scenery. On the line at Borrego Springs and it's 60FPS on high detail.

[@7mmLongRanger]

@@roynield9833 Thanks for the note. It’s nice to confirm. Just ordered one and will subscribe to RGT this weekend.

[@brettneale]

5:20 Coco's just on a lazy 5000km group ride!

[@copperchaz]

Did/do you have a cold?

[@gplama]

For the 50th time this year thanks to the little guy at the end.

[@rudilacht6125]

@@gplama same here.. these cute little rogues :)

[@JFomo]

As a weight weenie, thanks for putting them on the scale 😅

[@fletcherb4728]

Old gen was 100 percent heavier exactly... Strange

[@KdM_BigRingBubba]

I've long debating doing a PC build with the bare essentials vs. getting the ATV... The simplicity of the ATV is awfully alluring, but the better performance and ability to use ANT+ on a PC is keeping me from the purchase at this stage. I look forward to your update once Zwift has tweaked the graphics!

[@lechprotean]

which of your sensors is ant+ only still? For me it was the HRM (that was very worn anyway) and a simple Magene sensor is a super cheap upgrade and it seems that things work over BT a little bit more reliably than ANT+ (it has not error correction)

[@KdM_BigRingBubba]

@@lechprotean None, but I like to run Zwift and TR at the same time (TR controlling, Zwift for the visuals) and that lets me do it.

[@paulruffy8389]

With Gpu prices having come down you can buy a used mini tower or even SFF PC and a used GPU for literally under the new price of the ATV 4k (at least here in the UK) Ultra Profile + 60fps in most instances just for the extra hassle of maybe 1-2 hours more set up time... no brainer for me! PC all day long.

[@galenkehler]

Neat!

[@themrqpz]

Tell me, what's the deal with ATV? I can just stream an any App from my MacBook or iPhone via AirPlay to 90% of the Smart TV

[@gplama]

With an ATV you don't need a MacBook or iPhone.

[@themrqpz]

@@gplama How many percent of people don't have an iPhone but have an ATV? 🤔

[@gplama]

@@themrqpz From my own experience, I don't want my phone tied up running Zwift at a shitty resolution that's upscaled over AirPlay and draining battery. To answer your original query, that's the deal with ATV.

[@simonacker]

In theory, could you unpair the remote from the Apple TV, open up the third Bluetooth connection & just use your iPhone/iPad to be the remote via WiFi? Could that be the way you can get devices like the Sterzo Smart or the Rizer to pair directly to the Apple TV, rather than pairing them via the Zwift Companion App?

[@gplama]

Much easier to use that iPhone/iPad with the Companion App do to all the pairing (no device limit) and keep the remote paired to the ATV.

[@cyclingchantal]

@@gplama and you can also pair your AirPods with Apple TV (I am using the 4K gen 2 version)

[@derx6666]

@@gplama Isn't there any additional lag if you do that ?

[@gplama]

@@derx6666 Not if everything is set up nicely. My primary setup is an iPhone 6 with the Companion App -> WiFi -> Windows 11 PC. Rock solid and no lag. I find using ANT+ direct from the trainer to PC has more lag.

[@webbovich2324]

@@gplama Do you have a flow diagram of your recommended set-ups? I've been using my MBP with kickr and Zwift. It was a shock watching your video to find that the new TV and ATVIII I just ordered may be a sub-par experience.

[@benpratt4068]

A to Zed Llama, we’re in straya mate😜

[@luisfernandorios2004]

thank god for that 204 g savings and for this review!!

[@wakeywarrior]

Zwift really need to bring out the long promised update for this with better graphics. It’s currently worse than 2.

[@nedt]

Great overview. That remote withUSBC looks great but I’m staying on 4K gen2

[@gplama]

That should be an aftermarket option soon.

[@sudo936]

no ant+ on apple tv? Powerups with the remote?

[@gplama]

1. No. 2. See here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3KcpJuimbJpbM0

[@JoshPeak]

Fascinating. I’m running an old 2015 MBP, that is looking like an ATV Gen3 might be the cheapest upgrade for the Zwift Cave.

[@mikeainsworth4504]

More seriously than my earlier comment. Does anyone have any experience running Zwift through AppleTV on an ultra-widescreen monitor? I have had to relocate my set up away from the AppleTV equipped Tv indoors out to the garage using an iPad. I was thinking about getting a monitor and AppleTV on my turbo desk and wondered if it would work with an ultra-widescreen monitor.

[@gplama]

No widescreens here to test on... but if you've got one, put a PC on it and run Zwift in 'ultra'!

[@mikeainsworth4504]

@@gplama thanks that was my other option. I just don’t have a clue about PC set ups (Apple user). There’s a good article on Zwift Insider (I think) but, I still don’t understand the tech speak so I have sent the article to a ‘gamer’ colleague for a translation.

[@collectivesartori]

Cameo!!

[@6ft8incyclist]

If Apple was really looking to impress the world, they should had totally redone that remote.

[@djsubculture2111]

Apple would release a new Apple TV after I replaced my Gen2 with a gaming laptop.

[@LeicaM11]

You wouldn‘t believe, there are billions of people on this planet, never owned any AppleTV before, never have seen it and never got a hand on it. So no question of „upgrading“, but maybe making the deal the first time, for 128GB and strong CPU for affordable price the first time and silent/fabless!😉

[@gplama]

This is why I linked people off to my video from a few years back really early in this video.

[@tristramcharnley2581]

No matter what hardware you have Zwift graphics still look Fisher Price after GTA

[@DerekNewtonKeswick]

Ugh god.

[@gplama]

What’s wrong?

[@LeeMcGinley]

Child labour laws anyone? 😂

[@glenmcfarlane]

Don’t be silly. Maxie isn’t being paid. Pfft

[@kingdaniel69]

What ever happened to calling the 26th letter of the alphabet as 'zed'?

[@gplama]

You’ll flip your shit with how I pronounce ‘route’.

[@kingdaniel69]

@@gplama Hahahaha. Actually I pronounce it the same as you, years of living downunder. I love your vids by the way.

[@truthfacts57]

u talk to fast

[@waynesmith4589]

Good review Shane , waste of time if you're restricted to 2 Bluetooth connections STILL , FFS, useless , HDMI cable from Gaming Laptop to Big TV no restrictions so ...............