Shaq & Charles Barkley Get into Heated Argument - Inside the NBA | May 6, 2021

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[@Kirchoff7]

Kenny be like that friend who publicly disagrees with you but privately comes to tell you that you were right

[@qadoo11]

Bruh

[@pickle_chip_]

That's the most insanely accurate thing I've read

[@ThePreachingOfHisWord]

Facts

[@bernardohernandez2620]

Those friends are annoying, spineless cowards.

[@Kirchoff7]

@@bernardohernandez2620 you got that right bro!! Tap dancing man pleasing trolls that be out here to please everyone

[@reallyharsh]

kenny and shaq are hearing chuck but they're not listening to what he's saying. he's right

[@lostkid6693]

10000 right

[@S200.]

Chuck always spitting facts! Kenny IMO always saying random things in the hopes that it makes sense, and shaq is hard headed as always lmao

[@shivamkabra4067]

Oh so you're going to consider Chris fkn Bosh in Others??

[@Mixamaka]

No he's just making excuse for him not winning anything in the 90's and wants to downplay what KD and all those guy are doing. He is salty while Kenny as a champion can tell it's not just about the stars.

[@powaman5963]

@@S200. spot on

[@MelonSquasher]

"He was an all star" Chuck: "They got 25 of those every year" lmaoooo

[@yobro6053]

Bosh was no average all star

[@m_n_m7322]

@@yobro6053 a little above average but he was the “other” on the Heat let’s be honest

[@Ninjersey1]

@@m_n_m7322 yeah because of the system lol if he got as many touches as Wade and Lebron he’d probably be more efficient but they made him into a spot up shooter

[@Nurunigo]

@@Ninjersey1 fax look at the games wade and bron didn’t play bosh would drop 30

[@woodstyle1496]

@@m_n_m7322 Bosh was more than a little above average before he joined the Heat. He knowingly took a more back seat role to Wade and Lebron

[@SiamHomeSource]

What came first the chicken or the egg? Shaq: " how many rings they got?"

[@JPitty2011]

Lol lol

[@gioswazyhaiti1931]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Shaolin91z]

Lol 😂

[@gunkanjima3408]

Charles: Zion is a young superstar Shaq: “You never went back to back, Chuck, you don’t know”

[@nemasis3134]

Shaq- Thats what I thought! Aaiiighht then!!!!

[@dunkelschnitzelno5840]

Kenny: Why KD had no championships? Chuck: Cuz he was not playing with Steph Curry. true that

[@corywashington9580]

Lol! He made it seem like that was a very mysterious question

[@easye5653]

It's simple, the stacked teams win Championships! No other comment needed. Lol.

[@Ggshort23]

*giannis

[@markomarkovic5729]

Or maybe because he was playing with Westbrook🤔

[@zavierbanks4377]

well see this year lol

[@saareeshchuriwala8616]

Kenny only disagreeing with Chuck because he was an "other" himself 😂

[@blackpow3r]

True, but he did step up big time when he was needed from his superstar. That's the difference between a championship and not.

[@joolz6991]

Sometimes Kenny tries too hard to appear smart

[@blakehansen8284]

@@joolz6991 ...sometimes? Lol Charles is 85% of what makes this show enjoyable, if not outright watchable. And it's not even close.

[@joolz6991]

@@blakehansen8284 agree!!

[@Faranhype]

Facts, I felt what Kenny said was true.... in the 90s. But for today and the past 20 yrs, ring have been won with 2-3 SUPER star players

[@ageofdulltron2052]

Love how they always say Chuck doesn’t know because he’s not a champion. The only reason Kenny and Shaw are is because they didn’t have to play MJ.

[@kevinlakeman5043]

No, that's not the 'only reason'. For one, Shaw played mediocre teams in the finals, plus he got beat by Hakeem's Rockets, so it didn't take Jordan to beat a Shaw team. Also, we'll never know what would've happened if the Bulls had played Houston. They'd have no answer for Hakeem, the Rockets had the better bench, plus the Rockets swept the Magic team that beat Jordan and the Bulls in the playoffs.

[@ageofdulltron2052]

@@kevinlakeman5043 seeing how you intentionally misspelled his name to mock my comment, I can’t take anything you say seriously. It’s also obvious you weren’t around at the time to witness the bulls at their peak. Be gone!

[@taylorpack7705]

The magic beat the bulls because grant left and jordan was out of shape. They wouldn’t have beat jordan if that was the 91-93 or 96-98 bulls. Grant and rodman made a difference, they were the defensive anchor of those teams underneath. The bulls had a good bench with Kerr, Paxton, kukic. They beat the 93 suns who was the best offensive team the league had ever seen at the time. Suns should have won championships but they couldn’t stay healthy and westpal was clueless on coaching the defensive end.

[@MoonMoon-fx1op]

@@kevinlakeman5043 the finals might have been easy but the west was 🔥 so don't do that. Look at the WHOLE picture. If it wasn't for refs cheating, Shaq would be singing a different tune

[@ydcagu5769]

Both of them got carried Shaq was the #1

[@ap3xunlimited549]

Chris Bosh sitting at home like “Wtf bro” 😭

[@kevinlakeman5043]

He knows there's some truth to that. Can't avg. 12 PPG and be considered a 'star' player in a playoff run.

[@Irish176]

😂🤣😂

[@Rangelong]

@@kevinlakeman5043 exactly! Bosh had moments but Bosh wasn't carrying anything in Miami. He knew his role as the “other”.

[@soflo5214]

@@kevinlakeman5043 what big you know is usually the go to scorer?

[@aznbigboyjo3]

@@Rangelong Im not a Bosh fan but he did come through when it matter during the playoffs game.

[@jamooree]

Charles is right here. 95% of the time you need top tier talent to win titles in the Nba.

[@jamesward6898]

04 Detroit pistons

[@Wonderbread3636]

Yep, and you can't tell which role players will deliver in clutch for championships until top tier players GET them there, and give them an opportunity to.

[@ramattraburner]

@@jamesward6898 the 5%

[@jeremybrown9611]

@@jamesward6898 Billups and Ben?

[@marcmorr8]

Charles is wrong. The Raptors won the championship just 2 years ago with one (1) SUPERSTAR and Others. Yes Kyle Lowry is a great veteran but he's never been a Superstar outside of his popularity in Canada. Detroit Pistons beat a team of current and former superstars in 2004 without one single Superstar on their team. Why? because the Laker's (Others) did not do enough to hide the mistakes of their superstars. LeBron's second ring (2013) would not have been possible had it not been for an Other (Ray Allen was definitely out of his prime at the time). Dirk the only superstar at the time (Jason Kidd was way past his prime) in 2011 championship versus 2.5 superstars. Mavs Others stepped up big time.

[@sahilkalia7588]

Bruh, Kenny was literally one of those "other" players...

[@UncleBushi]

Word. But I think what he's tryna say is others can be great too.

[@thsu8]

Kenny wasn't even good enough to be an Other. Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, and Mario Elie made the big plays on that Houston team. Kenny Smith was the 7th best player on that team. Dream, Horry, Cassell, Thorpe, Elie/Drexler, Maxwell, and then Kenny "the spineless boot licker" Smith.

[@Ezekial2517]

Right but I also feel like it almost kinda proves Charles point. What was Kenny before Hakeem? What was he after? I feel like Charles would argue (if Kenny wasn’t in the room) that if it wasn’t him it would have been Cassell or someone else who’d be sitting next to them, thanks to Hakeem. Put Hakeem on the Cavs and maybe Mark Price is sitting next to Barkley?

[@NikeMike80]

Kenny knows that he wouldn’t say otherwise

[@DoronBond]

That got 2 rings

[@watsonestelan5677]

It's funny how Kenny and shaw always try to ridicule Barkley where in reality Barkley makes more sense in his arguments then either one of them

[@trever2244]

I see it as a complement. They know he's right, so they try to tear him down. That's how I see it, I could be wrong.

[@TheeBearded1MacP]

I completely disagree, Charles only standing points are “YoU NEeD SuPErStars” they not disagreeing but you can’t say you need superstars. You still gone need the OTHERS to deliver ! Charles just want cushion to make his argument or why he ringless

[@Lee-ic8ln]

And it is funny how yall stay sucking on Chuck's nuts. Chuck is incoherent, dude made no sense this segment.

[@Dkickz93]

Low key shade from Kenny to Charles, “I’m gonna defer to shaq because he’s been there”

[@lindzeesouperocd7558]

Defer, but yeah.

[@GabeCerebro]

Chuck has been there (the finals), he just didn’t win... because... MJ.

[@sup9542]

Chuck has been on the other side of the coin though, being a superstar who only had "others" and no star partner on his team when he was in his prime.

[@slimshady2100]

@@GabeCerebro not just because of MJ. Can you tell me the name of anyone else other than Chuck on that Phoenix Suns team ? On the other hand I can name quite a few on that Bulls team other than MJ such as Pippen, Paxson. You take those guys away, MJ ain’t winning jack sh*t . Case in point - MJ ‘s Wizards.

[@jordanrodriguez6412]

@@slimshady2100 Phoenix suns had the best record In the league that year man. Why even hate like that?

[@TimmyShagpile]

I like how Shaq always tries to rely on Kenny to back up whatever he says. Kenny doesn't exactly say the smartest things himself.

[@lucasbetterhavemysun7732]

That’s why his bum ass never got that coaching spot he wanted

[@ramadansteve1743]

@@lakersin556 You acting like Shaq

[@TimmyShagpile]

@@lakersin556 Hey, Mr. Sensetive...

[@khamarulghazali7275]

Kenny says everything but nothing. That dude on many occasions dont even know where he is going with his point lmao.

[@ljayydagoat7113]

@@lakersin556 was he the reason for those rings or was hakeem. Kenny was a other

[@MysticMungusSlungus]

“They got 25 of them every year”

[@reallyharsh]

perfect response

[@tropicaldepression3459]

The first time I heard chuck be so right

[@blackphillip564]

Chris Bosh: 11x All Star, *1x All NBA second team!* Vince Carter: 2x All NBA (in 21 seasons? Wtf) 8x All Star. All Star selections are meaningless unless you're also All NBA. I hate when people mention all star selections. Usually means you weren't on any all NBA teams which means that you're overrated

[@ozzymar2869]

@@tropicaldepression3459 you don’t watch this show regularly do you? Chuck is 95% of the time right when he argues Shaq lol

[@malachiBRO_]

@@tropicaldepression3459 never head him say anything wrong

[@sed1589]

"He was an all-star" "They got 25 of those every year" Chuck kills me bro 🤣

[@cameronmetz9933]

Charles is usually right about these things, people don’t wanna admit it cuz his voice is so weird and that he SOUNDS dumb to some people, but dude really knows what he’s talking about and most importantly he’s HONEST

[@EnzoPepsiCola]

What's weird about his voice 😂

[@cameronmetz9933]

@@EnzoPepsiCola ask yourself that question. Then ask yourself again lol

[@EnzoPepsiCola]

@@cameronmetz9933 I probably got used to it

[@EnzoPepsiCola]

@R That Southern accent

[@cameronmetz9933]

@@EnzoPepsiCola I see what you mean, personally been around a lot of southern people myself, never heard anyone sound like Barkley, that’s why I say that. But do I care how he sounds? Course not. I’m just explaining what others think and don’t want to admit. He’s not very articulate so people think he’s stupid, which in some cases may be fair for true loudmouths, but not Barkley. What he’s saying, (his logic) is sound 95% of the time, he simply can’t speak very articulately lol

[@jboogy5039]

Remember earlier when Barkley said chris paul should be given respect as a MVP candidate and they all laughed at him? Now what?

[@hollyfrostpointers7926]

YES! Respect Sir Charles!

[@therizza1905]

Exactly.....people are clowns

[@ganninia]

barkley also said the warriors wasnt going to win championship with small ball before they won the 1st one

[@LeBashfulBadger]

ganninia This Just In: people are wrong sometimes

[@markomarkovic5729]

Joker is still the MVP, that's what

[@maxeyland6205]

Charles: Well I think- Shaq: I got 4 rings

[@BILLINICO]

@Eonian Sage so did Charles. So

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@BILLINICO Kobe, D Wade, Penny, Horace Grant , Payton, etc...

[@luistx16]

😂 he does!

[@ssotkow]

Riding on coattails of Kobe and Lebron.

[@Chopan8809]

@@BILLINICO maybe his rookie season. He really carried the Suns against the bulls.

[@imhighandwatchingyoutube8909]

That's why Kenny stayed quite.....Kenny is one of those "other" players...... 😂

[@michaelanderson4280]

He was a other that stepped up in big times most threes in the finals

[@jamespruitt9590]

Kenny"others that can deliver"smith 😂😂😂😂

[@onemad.targaryen.rages.respect]

"They got 25 of those (all-stars) every year." So true. Chuck is the GOAT of analysis and comments.

[@RaeBordz27]

This arguements in a nutshell... Chuck: Imma make a point Shaq: No you're not, you dont have any rings Kenny: I agree with you Shaq, Chuck imma side with Shaq on this one

[@ben-fm2jl]

Michael Jordan: Sorry Chuck

[@simonpark2912]

Proud of Shaq for not blatantly bragging about his rings this time

[@edwardnigma9037]

He knows it’s getting old. If barkley had Wade and kobe he’d have at least two

[@cowboytanaka6675]

Google me chuck

[@47hundo86]

@@edwardnigma9037 if* which means it didnt happen which also means there leaves room for more what ifs* and that opens the door for more room for possible failure...we seen superstars not mesh well n not win all throughout sports history

[@mirac2062]

I know right, he uses that alot for the wrong reasons, cause he knows that chuck or whoever is right about what they're saying.

[@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin]

@@47hundo86 But chuck was a monster... he was giving troubles to the best teams in that era, its not even a if at that point with Kobe, Those two alone would be scary as hell with a solid team and would guaranteed win.

[@frozenlake1215]

They aren't yelling cuz it's heated, they're yelling cuz they're old and further apart due to social distancing

[@nsmith3128]

In KD's first and 2nd Finals against the Cavs there were stats that showed how close the scoring was between each teams starters. The biggest difference was the 2nd unit or "others". In most finals there are moments when you can remember role players coming up huge.

[@Youngster543210]

Yeah but you're not considering the impact the superstars had generating easy opportunities for the "others". GS hardly doubled LeBron in that series at all. They chose instead to let him isolate and take away his teammates. Hard to get your teammates involved with defenders draped all over them. On the other hand, the Cavs were often sending 1 or 2 extra defenders at Steph, even off the ball. That gravity was opening up a lot of easy looks for the role players AND Durant.

[@jasonpark7029]

The chemistry between the 4 guys is one of the best in tv history

[@hanssolo8918]

Don’t like shaq he comes of as ignorant. Just saying.

[@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin]

Everyone knows shaq is one of the most self centered guys of all time, the only highlights shaq has in shows are when he gets mad or falls.

[@marcosmith9315]

They whack except kenny and earnie

[@incipidsigninsetup]

@@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin Shaq can be pretty arrogant but in this case he's right.

[@thomashopper3705]

@@hanssolo8918 hes a certified lawyer,has a PhD and has more wealth than you’ll ever see in your lifetime....

[@waltercarter300]

They love ganging up on chuck, hear the man out.

[@powaman5963]

True but he does have some crazy takes 🤣🤣

[@rockowilliams7820]

@@powaman5963 wouldn't call them crazy. More Hilarious than crazy lol

[@malachiBRO_]

@@powaman5963 not really

[@KELVINWEST14]

Chuck just mad old man all the time😂😂😂

[@ozzymar2869]

@@powaman5963 not as usual as people make it seem. When it comes to his arguments with Shaq he usually has the most sane arguments like 95% of the time which is why Shaq always resorts to the rings 😂

[@arthurjackson25]

Ain’t no difference in “others and others that deliver” they’re still others! I feel Chuck.

[@jasonvan4370]

So an other that can make a basket is equal to someone who can’t make a basket.. gotcha.

[@horacespencer3249]

If course Kenny going to agree with Shaq because he was one of the others but without The Dream we never would've heard about little Kenny

[@williammccrady1471]

Chuck is straight up right though. Just didn’t have any time to explain his point of view before Kenny and Shaq went the “you don’t have a ring” argument.

[@marcmorr8]

Charles is wrong. The Raptors won the championship just 2 years ago with one (1) SUPERSTAR and Others. Yes Kyle Lowry is a great veteran but he's never been a Superstar outside of his popularity in Canada. Detroit Pistons beat a team of current and former superstars in 2004 without one single Superstar on their team. Why? because the Laker's (Others) did not do enough to hide the mistakes of their superstars. LeBron's second ring (2013) would not have been possible had it not been for an Other (Ray Allen was definitely out of his prime at the time). Dirk the only superstar at the time (Jason Kidd was way past his prime) in 2011 championship versus 2.5 superstars. Mavs Others stepped up big time.

[@EdeDizon]

you don't win chips wth 2 superstars and a trash roster/bench. What did Jordan do before Pip and Jackson got there? Or even Grant ?

[@jucci178]

@@marcmorr8 exceptions aren’t the rule .. lebrons 2013 still had wade and bosh .. you can use ray as an “other” but they had wade and bosh(grabbed the key rebound to kick it out to ray) .. teams win with stars plural

[@williammccrady1471]

@@marcmorr8 Detroit pistons, you are right, but don’t act like ray allen is a other. There is a reason why he is considered one of the best 3pt shooters in the era where three point shooting was not the meta in the nba. 2011 Mavericks while they didn’t have any all stars besides dirk, they still had a lot of talent and experience. Tyson chandler was not an other, Shawn Marion was not an other. And dirk during that playoff run was like two mvps put together so to a certain aspect I understand where you are coming from but mavs weren’t bums that year besides dirk.

[@ozzymar2869]

@@marcmorr8 that 2013 one doesn’t fit your argument. That leaves you with 3 examples of all the championships that have been won. Of course there will be anomalies but that doesn’t take away the fact that Chuck is right

[@NotARandomUser1234]

Shaq and Chuck’s normal conversations are heated arguments

[@Teslashock824]

Love how Dirk Nowitzki gets no love He beat the loaded heat team and didn’t have a second superstar

[@watsnu2day]

Shaq really has changed his demeanor since 2020 due to the loss of friends and family. Kudos for not being too overbearing in Chuck!

[@cartierhendrix]

This is heated argument part 1 million between these two 😭

[@___MJ____]

Ong it never gets old 💀

[@mick4ful]

Thats y they put the date in the title

[@drestathagangsta8880]

Although this argument didn't get nearly as heated as some of their past ones.

[@calebjarvis6075]

The halftime report just slowly ends while they still keep arguinh 😂

[@MylotheZooLovingScientist]

This was postgame, lol, but yes, Ernie did say after the break that they had never stopped talking lmao.

[@graffProdigy]

It’s better than most NBA games Lol

[@j317]

@@MylotheZooLovingScientist clearly says halftime report on the screen

[@DeRussellMasina]

Lol music just playing in the background 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@KP-05]

Charles is right and Kenny you were one of those “other” players sitting on the bench watching Hakeem doing his thing.

[@Manilow-si2bv]

You must be 12 because kenny Smith was not on the bench smh.

[@Scoe91Til]

Kenny was on the court as the starting point guard you casual

[@connorlively1307]

Anyone else think of the 2011 Dallas Mavericks when he said name a team who won that didn’t have 3 superstars.

[@richrich876]

In the last 30 years... Detroit and Dallas... It's and exception.

[@minzyailee3023]

3 superstars or 2 superstars? If it's 3 superstars, then last year Lakers won with 2 superstars.

[@mediacenterman8583]

@@richrich876 How many examples are you allowed before your exception bullshit is called out? PS: Raptors only had Kawhi!

[@DJC-10]

@@minzyailee3023 he said 2 or 3.

[@Ninjersey1]

@@mediacenterman8583 they only had Kawhi but they had such depth that it was like having other super stars.Lowry and van fleet played like stars and so did siakam plus they probably don’t even win if not for warrior injuries

[@spfdff]

Kenny is always gonna say "the others" are what win titles... he’s made his livelihood bein "the other".

[@Matt-uy3bv]

I promise you he takes zero shame in being a starter on championship teams 😂😂😂

[@peraltaman]

Hes a champ he did his part did his roll no shame at all he a legit champ

[@Btuck9007]

Bingo

[@nitishsonu67]

Man you are right

[@sonicpreacher1]

I’m not seeing your point. He was an all star.

[@mrjaywu1]

Kenny disagrees with chuck is because he was one of the “other” players Charles was talking about. The rocket had a prime Hakeem and Drexler.

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

Was Drexler on the team when Houston won the their titles?

[@srednas4u1]

Drexler wasn't in his prime

[@ballinboxer3676]

Lol no way in hell was Clyde in his prime in Houston.

[@atimorales]

@@ballinboxer3676 he was more in his prime in Houston, then KD is in Brooklyn

[@SM-me3ez]

@@atimorales the same KD who is putting up 28 on 54/47/88 whilst returning from an Achilles and also missing 40% of the a shortened season?

[@drerog6608]

Um...this sounds like your average barbershop debate to me

[@NM-ev7pu]

Bus driver and bus rider :D we've come full circle.

[@jake-of2xc]

Shaq referring to Kenny as an other was hilarious enough

[@illc8258]

Shaq ans Chuck arguments are like Hennessy NEVER STOP, NEVER SETTLE !😅

[@RobertMichael]

😂😂😂

[@bingo8789]

Sponsored byyyyyyy.... Oh, Hennessey

[@jasonjones3694]

😂😂

[@focused313]

Well done

[@hardtalkwithmarkwood67]

I've stopped watching the NBA but still to tune into these 2 bickering. Love them both so much

[@babygoat12]

Shaq: it’s proven Sir Charles :1st of all it’s not Lmfao chuck is gold no matter what he says

[@23MrMickey]

havent watched it yet but i feel like chuck's lack of a ring will come into play

[@estupedude21]

Word lol always gotta throw that in there smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@eddiemil88]

It did. Kenny said Shaq was right because Shaq has "been there".

[@dan61909]

Charles is correct 100%. Role players won’t usually make the huge shots as often as star players do, that’s why they’re star players.

[@mellykruger9495]

There is only one honest possible exception I can recall that beat a superstar riddled team, That was the 2011 mavericks. Ironically they totally rampaged 4 in a row with simply a aging Dirk and no counts at that point. And those no counts basically shut lebron down, clowned d wade at times. Oh and swept them. This was a miami team that buried an up and coming bulls team that was headed for destiny alongside youngest MVP ever D Rose. And they got steamrolled.

[@feelinggrape]

@@mellykruger9495 that’s because Dirk is a Top3 PF.

[@christianhughes1662]

@@mellykruger9495 LeBron threw the series. My first rebuttal to Chuck was the 2000s Detroit Piston but they had Mr.Big Shot and Ben Wallace. Chuck is 100% right

[@deathstriker9076]

@@mellykruger9495 The last time Pistons, Mavs, Raptors, and Spurs won. I say Spurs and Raptors because they only had one superstar.

[@torinoconnor4296]

Bruh

[@TheIceWatkins]

I love how everything is "first of all" when Chuck speaks LOL. Love that guy

[@qtluv27]

Rrriiiight. Never a follow up with 2nd or 3rd 😂😂😂😂

[@PharaoahMonk]

Now imagine them sitting at 80 in a barbershop somewhere and still going on with this 🤣🤣🤣

[@threerabbit7981]

Someone give Charles an honorary TNT Championship NBA Ring already 💍

[@dechenthurman2708]

It’s true, Chuck is the MVP of NBA on TNT. Shaq is still playing the commentator game like a rookie!

[@indianapaullyj]

Leggo

[@sup9542]

Charles always gets acknowledged as the GOAT former player turned TV personality. Part of why Shaq has gone after him so much, he wants that title. Especially when Shaq first joined, he was trying to be the alpha. But he's starting to mellow a bit realizing that it's out of his control.

[@conmangaming7829]

@@dechenthurman2708 Both are annoying af.

[@qs4177]

He does have a few Emmys to his name

[@barisozdemir3856]

Golden State Warriors performance over the last 10 years is the proof Chuck is right here

[@d.will9359]

Facts curry nem literally built from scratch. Can’t hate it.

[@donttrendonme]

every lebron championship

[@harsha8976]

He's not. There have been superstar champions. But there also have been championships where the "others" played a key role. Raptors was the most recent

[@fatherfather2357]

@@harsha8976 yes but raps would’ve lost had KD and Klay not been injured, you can’t not figure in circumstances but that still proves chucks points that you need a great player, Kawhi was that player.

[@ganninia]

but barkely said the warriors wasnt going to win a ring with small ball before they won the 1st one. he hates the warriors

[@ChrisFilmPresents]

What Chuck said is basically correct. But I think when a team becomes a championship, it’s not just because of great players or great coach. It’s how great they can seize the moment and every detailed work on the field. If you have bunch of great players but they cannot work together, or at crucial moments, their mentality is not tied together to get the championship job done, that’s also nothing.

[@jamesbranham2217]

It doesn't matter how good you are 1 player isn't going to carry a team to a title without very good players around him..

[@farhanali5504]

Shaq just lifts Kenny up whenever he wants him to side with him on a losing argument. And Kenny never uses his own mind

[@thsu8]

You nailed it bro. Charles carries this show the way Kobe and Wade carried Shaq in big moments.

[@mijo5964]

Kenny is a giant leftist Democrat so there’s that... easily manipulated

[@nate312]

@@thsu8 watch your mouth bum

[@newstation795]

@@mijo5964 if you don’t stfu and go protest in Hong Kong

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

Because Kenny just wants to be on the side of the argument that gives him props. Inevitably when Shaq gets triggered he will bring up rings and acknowledge Kenny as a champion if he sides with him. I have seen Candace Parker show more of a fight and use her own brain than Kenny does.

[@KELVINWEST14]

Golden state took a while to assemble their dynasty they didn't just get steph and klay and start winning it was a build

[@OhTaco77]

Everybody forgot their 2nd unit is a good support team, Iggy, Livingston, Mcgee, Barboza, David West

[@jeremybrown9611]

Yeah but they also acquired pieces especially KD who I believe was the beginning of the end of their dynasty

[@knicks1seed566]

Unlike the nets

[@KELVINWEST14]

@@jeremybrown9611 yes maybe ur right on that they gave away a few parts to get kd and then kd injury allowed the space to be shown in their defence plus cosuin was injured as well and he was meant to help in the kd injury absence

[@gitworldyoungworld1127]

Well obviously there are only few duhh u can get it done with 1 superstar but a player can be a superstar one year abd be great and win and cant do it every year that 73 win team they wanted it they planned it it they won once. And that wouldn't happened again

[@itsyujen]

i swear i see this title once a week. and i’m not complaining

[@jarodhendricks8338]

Lol an it fades to commercial as there still arguing 🤣 😂

[@fangiscool1]

Charles the only one making a lick of sense. Other guys got to "step up?" You step up for a game. You don't step up for a championship. If you step up for an entire championship run, you were a star to begin with. You're one of the great players and it circles back to what Chuck said

[@ohioplayer]

chuck is wrong..you don't need to have the best players to when the title...and if you do have them you will still need your bench to produce..

[@abdihassan7208]

toronto were stars? mavericks? 03 pistons?

[@fangiscool1]

@@abdihassan7208 yes, they had Kawhi, Lowry, and Siakam. One superstar and two stars. VanVleet "stepped up." Turns out he's just a near star caliber player the next season, so he didn't step up at all. He's just good. Pistons and Mavs are 2 championship teams in the last 20 years. You're going to need more examples to make a point

[@abdihassan7208]

@@fangiscool1 I made my point. None of those were stars from the beginning. Charles is wrong and so are you

[@paquinraino8180]

@@fangiscool1 plus he forgot that Mavs had a lot of stars players who passed their prime ( Kidd, Stojakovic, Butler, Terry). Pistons had a 3X DPOY with Ben Wallace, the Sheed was an All-star, just Hamilton and Billups wasn't yet. But like you said it's only 2 teams

[@CoolHandLuke196]

*Aliens invade the earth* Shaq: "We've seen that before"

[@DJ.Generation]

@Tyler Meis 😂

[@sj4632]

"Those aliens ain't even averaging 30 and 10, bums"

[@beebro338]

@Tyler Meis now that's funny...lol😅😅😅😅

[@SenorTresleches_]

Shaq and Charles get into a argument, in other news water is wet.😂

[@matthewgonzalez9537]

Kenny is Shaw's cheerleader. I think he's scared of Shaq or something

[@rumhave9632]

Every NBA analyst: "look at this superstar doing it all by himself " Teams with 2 superstars and 2 allstars: hold my trophy.

[@craigslistreply6544]

I'm just glad the OG crew is back god damn

[@NEONOIRERA]

Nah fr bro

[@AT-xm3jc]

I'd say Charles is mostly right. Outside of the 2004 Pistons and 2011 Dallas Mavericks, there's always been multiple stars that win rings

[@jamirimaj6880]

To those who's gonna reply 2011 Mavericks and 2004 Pistons to Chuck, you're exactly gonna prove him right. If you noticed, those teams come once in a decade, and one really took advantage of the rule change, and one actually took more threes at that point that made a defending champion being swept and foreshadowing the 3-point barrage future of the NBA. So Chuck is still right, you need great, GREAT teammates if you wanna win it all.

[@tranquil171]

Beside both teams had dawgs pistons had R.I.P Hamilton Chauncy billips Rasheed Wallace and Big Ben. Def not a team with jus one star and a bunch of bums . And mavs had a veteran Jason kidd a solid Tyson chandler and a good enough Sean Marion . Both still teams that couldn’t jus win it all with one person .

[@iam_dsm7904]

Charles: this pasta is a amazing Shaq: I have four rings

[@marketingpro2856]

He can thank Kobe for that

[@PresbianTier]

@@marketingpro2856 Kobe can thank Shaq too

[@hinglemccringleberry9257]

They are getting so heated but technically they are both right... Having stars is necessary to be competitive in the modern NBA. But to win a championship, which will require competing against other star studded teams, your "other" players need to deliver.

[@123456CBOY]

Both right yup

[@mattstolte2604]

As a Timberwolves fan, watching KG for years on a struggling team and seeing how quickly his move from MN netted him a championship... Charles is 100% correct.

[@Bankai2169]

KG*

[@mattstolte2604]

@@Bankai2169 good looking out

[@supreemcourt9181]

2:27 Earnie, when u cant relate so u try your best to be in a conversation lol

[@Alberto-go8is]

All he should have said was "why didn't you win a championship in Orlando?"

[@blanktrigger8863]

Precisely because he lacked "others". Shaq and Penny lost to Hakeem because Hakeem had the better team.

[@AnthonyVex]

@@blanktrigger8863 that more proves Chuck right tho, because when he had kobe and wade he which were better stars

[@blanktrigger8863]

@@AnthonyVex I don't see how. Hakeem was by himself like Dirk but won because he had better others. If Chuck was right then Shaq and Penny would have won based on star power alone.

[@jamesmoore9636]

Lol

[@Surprise301]

Orlando shoulda won but they were too young at the time. If shaq stayed they coulda had a better chance later on like 1999 or 2000

[@FinalQueue007]

The 2011 Mavs taught me that if your team is coached well and the players play well off of each other, then its possible to win the championship without another star for your superstar. Though having a veteran point guard plays a big role too.

[@robhodge1890]

San Antonio Spurs are also a good example

[@TheMoneymakingceasar]

That’s probably the only team I can think of that had one star and good role players and won I mean they had Kidd I don’t think he was a star player than and chandler but he wasn’t a star either

[@johnathanpotter924]

That's true. The Mavs that year were an inspiring team. But then again, the next team to not have at least two superstar level players and win it all didn't come until almost ten years later with the Raptors. The "others" and coaching definitely matter, but more often than not it comes down to, "my best players are better than your best players".

[@hlrahmed]

@@robhodge1890 spurs are the best example

[@johnwilliamsoniii3936]

But those Spurs team had at a minimum 2 top tier players too which strengthens Charles argument.

[@Papashaft]

Charles carried the suns to the finals to a 7 game series against the bulls in their prime, by himself

[@onlee49ers76]

6 games bro...not 7

[@MrCWilliams1982]

6 games not 7

[@j.r.fernandez2453]

Let's be real. If we swapped Charles and MJ, the Suns aren't beating the Bulls. Chuck was playing on a sorry team and was a runaway MVP that year.

[@MrCWilliams1982]

@@j.r.fernandez2453 How old are you? How was that Suns team sorry when they had the best record in NBA?

[@coreyreid4970]

Best commentary group in sports PERIOD 👏

[@T3l3MuNd0]

3:22 OMG Kenny explaining the 04 Pistons beat the Lakers.... Chuck said "Lakers were 110 years old" 😂🤣😂🤣

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

They were though, Shaq was 33 Karl Malone 40 Gary payton 38 only kobe was the young bull and fisher.

[@spencer8699]

@@ohhhyeahhh1174 it was a different era too, there wasn’t twenty 1 and done players coming out every year or aG league. The league was an iso scoring league and the average age was much higher. Pace was down and defense was important. Also Malone was past his prime for sure but Shaq wasn’t just some washed up scrub, just out of shape. That 04 Pistons team was legit though would’ve beaten the Suns or Spurs, they were a couple seconds away from winning back to back against the Spurs the next yr till Sheed fell asleep on D 🚫🧢

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

@@spencer8699 That Horry poster against the pistons is what sealed the deal for that spurs chip i know he had a game winner but it was the poster on rip hamilton that sealed it for me, even though it was one of the worst viewed finals i watched it was one of the most competitive, plus the spurs were much younger then the Lakers finals appearance, and no Shaq was not washed old but he was starting to show his age and of course he was overweight.

[@socialistbatman1211]

Kobe had a off season in 2004 because of his case and had a bad finals and Malone got injured.

[@turbografxx]

I think Chuck meant to say imagine Hakeem passing it out to someone like Jordan instead of Kenny. But the others just drowned him out

[@DJ.Generation]

Coincidentally that almost was the case! During that draft. The Rockets had the 1st pick and picked hakeem The 2nd pick the blazers picked a bust sam bowie Jordan went 3rd to chicago The rockets had got the 1st pick the year before and had a good center (who career ended early because of injury) The blazers had drafted clyde drexler the year before The blazers offered the rockets clyde drexler and the 2nd pick for their good rookie center they drafted the year before. The Rockets could have had Hakeem, Jordan and drexler as rookies for someone who career ended like 4 seasons later

[@beanteam2217]

@@DJ.Generation get outta here with your lies

[@Ballchat]

@@beanteam2217 it's not lies lmaoo

[@illc8258]

@@DJ.Generation Imagine such a roaster with The Glide The Dream and His Airness ! 😱Game Over ! 2 decades of dominance !😅

[@keithwalters1555]

Other than the 2011 Mavericks, what team that’s won a chip in the last 20 years, didn’t have at least two star players on their team?

[@deejay-gee5403]

You need to have a good supporting cast who brings energy, rebounds, sacrifice their body’s for loose balls, guard the other teams best players etc. If you don’t have that you won’t win, your superstars won’t grind like that

[@threeohhhthreee372]

Bruh no one wins a ship without at least 2 superstars facts Charles

[@ethancluck7507]

Here’s where I beg to differ. Remember when the Raptors won it in 2019. As much as you want to argue with me, Kawhi was the only true superstar on that team. Lowry was aging, Siakam was still up and coming, and NO ONE knew he’d be an all star the year after. And same goes for Vanfleet. Kawhi averaged over 30ppg almost a third of the teams points. Not to mention they played and beat a warriors team with 5 ALL STARS in Curry, Thompson, Durant, Green, and Cousins. Argue with me all you want but that’s not changing my opinion

[@threeohhhthreee372]

Well mabey but Khawai is elite Lowry could nick down shots it was just a bunch of solid talent and warriors were injured it came down to who was healthiest that year healthy warriors beat raptors so under prestine conditions I still need more than one star plus Toronto was pretty good defensively but in today’s super team nba u do

[@dentonkellyjr8095]

@@ethancluck7507 idk kd klay and wasnt curry out of cause of injuries idk raptors did not fight the full strength warriors to me

[@jman652000]

@@ethancluck7507 but i think that was Chuck's point. You aren't winning without a transcendent/top 5 player. We have a few exceptions in history like the 04 Pistons or the 11 Mavericks, you could count the Raptors but Kawhi was a top 5 player that year IMO. The Raptors always got stuck before the finals when they only had Lowry and Derozan who were stars, but then they upgraded to Kawhi the next year and that propelled them to the Championship and I think that was what Chuck was trying to say. You aren't getting to the Finals or winning the Finals unless you got one of those guys or a few of those guys. You can have "others", but every team has "others". Not every team has that superstar/transcendent talent. That's why a team like the Raptors couldn't get over the hump until Kawhi. That's why no one could get past Goldent State or Cleveland for half a decade years. That's why no one in the East could beat Miami. Because none of the other teams had Lebron. None of the other teams had Steph and KD. That's why the Heat lost to the Lakers last year. They had no one who could match Lebron or AD. Yes, others make a difference, but it's really the superstars that drive the car and bring the team home.

[@mediacenterman8583]

Miami had Bron, Wade & Bosh, but could not take down Dirk and the others!!!!

[@dorianherman9175]

Chucks arguments are pretty valid all the time besides his Guarantees 😂😂

[@charlesbazen6358]

Barkley said “the Lakers were 110 years old” ….. coming to America lol

[@robbmingle7347]

Shaq: You just wrong , Chuck. Chuck: No! Naw!! YOU just wrong...

[@gildominiquezamora5133]

Credits to 2004 pistons and 2011 mavs ❤️

[@crispyasfuck2856]

Only team to ever Win a championship without an MVP was the pistons and they did it 3 times

[@oscillon5406]

Isiah Thomas was a superstar in the 80s. Billups will end up in the hall of fame and Ben Wallace won DPOY like 4 times plus their whole core was basically all all star caliber and some of the best one on one defenders ever.

[@oscillon5406]

The Mavs were the 2nd best team in the conference and top 5 team all year and ended up as the 3 seed because of the tie breaker. People act like they were a rag tag 8 seed that miraculously won it all. That team was stacked and will end up with Dirk and Kidd in the HOF, Marion borderline, and TC being a DPOY plus some of the greatest role players ever like 6moy jason terry.

[@trollanonymously2434]

@@oscillon5406 God damn Lebron apologists even try to build up the mavs to make it sound like when the 73 win warriors got together. Dirk is all time for sure, but the rest of the team was role players bro, pure and simple. You can sugar coat it all you want. They had 3 players TOTAL that averaged 15 or more ppg, and Dirk was 1 of them with 23 a game. Marion averaged 12 a game, what a fucking stud. Man, I can't even believe the bullshit you're spouting here, it's fucking offensive.

[@solocreep9013]

@@trollanonymously2434 exactly the Mav wasn’t supposed to win and the73 win warriors was overhyped

[@roysreceptive]

Every time they say, “Others,” I think of Lost.

[@freshdude2603]

So another long "LOST" friend I see😉

[@josemorales5175]

I’m not sure if they know that they’re both right and they’re almost saying the same thing but from a different point of view. You need great players to be leading the charge but the role players are key to winning it all.

[@cirokamai1603]

The 1977 Sixers freestyle team had 2 HOFs in Dr J., George Mcguinness. They also had World B Free, Doug Collins, Darryl Dawkins, Henry Bibby, Mike Dunleavy, and Kobe Bryants Dad Joe. But they still lost to the team oriented Bill Walton team.

[@Paywh]

2020 Lebron, AD 2019 Kawhi, Pascal, Lowry 2018 Steph, KD, Klay 2017 Steph, KD, Klay 2016 Bron, Irving Love etc. It’s simple in the modern you need atleast one super star and one all star at the bare minimum to win a chip.

[@PresbianTier]

Pascal wasn't an all star until 2020. don't count him

[@erickvelasquez6410]

I love how kenny brought up the biggest anomaly in NBA history in the 04 pistons as an argument point.

[@gunman9131]

Not really. The 04 Pistons got the BEST DEFENDER Ben Wallace, the BEST PERIMETER shooter Rip Hamilton (moves without the ball), ELITE point guard Billups, ELITE defender Tayshaun Prince and an agile in and out scorer and also a good defender Rasheed Wallace. Lakers did not have a chance cause they are a newly built team. They arent used to play with each other then plus the fact that they are not in their prime.

[@LanceG007]

@@gunman9131 not to mention a great coach

[@crispyasfuck2856]

@@gunman9131 That 04 team was the only Championship in the last 30 years without an MVP on the team its a Terrible example

[@crispyasfuck2856]

@@gunman9131 also the pistons are the only team to ever do it winning it in 88 and 89 also

[@gunman9131]

That team is well-balanced!

[@puuxexil]

Two big takeaways: they don't ignore the source of the conflict, and they don't resort to name-calling. That's how friends argue and still be friends.

[@federicorossi1056]

the length of the table is crazy 😂

[@2qood4lyfe]

"to the others" "those others" kenny gets pressed *Arthur angry fist here*

[@kelvinrucks1556]

Shaq always relies on kenny to back him up, while kenny always sides with the bigger guy😅 you all forgot that chuck wrote the book "i know i'm wrong but i'm right"

[@jamesrobinson1557]

He refers to Kenny because they won! They know what it takes...If Charles knew he would have done it and then Michael was always waiting in the end...

[@sup9542]

Kenny always sides with Shaq because he's afraid of him, IMO. I've watched them enough over the years to sense a little of that. Chuck used to be the biggest guy on the set before Shaq joined and Kenny would side with him more.

[@jaybethatdude]

Kenny is scared of Shaq, Shaq is a bully, and he gets in his feelings when he feels he's being clowned, i'm watching vids of Shaq getting mad, and there's one where he tells them they can't call the "HackaShaq" that anymore, don't use his name when they say it, and he bullies Kenny into not saying his name in reference to that. But he knows Barkley can take a joke, so he tries Barkley more.

[@andrewmurfet9381]

I agree with Charles. When it comes down to clutch time, who would you rather have the ball in their hands and take the final shot - your star player or your role player? Obviously your star player. Therefore it’s about the star player/s that you have and how they match up against the opponents star player/s

[@donhrks4935]

Every year the league gets less and less competitive especially since the pandemic, I'm missed the 90's and early 2000's playoffs

[@marcusleja7133]

Everybody is too focused on dancing around on the bench, and hugging each other after the game regardless of who wins.

[@scotttucker7444]

Love the guys, but not sure what they’re arguing about here. You actually need stars AND “other players that deliver” to win a championship. That’s why it’s so hard to do.

[@yourfairyGodgod]

They’re just gonna keep fighting more as they get older and become seniors 🤣🤣

[@benburleigh6379]

The ones who end up delivering are better than the ones who don't! How do Shaq and Kenny explain that? I think this is what Charles is saying. And it isn't always known before a championship series. The pressure separates the the better from the good!

[@AA-ed6vg]

Charles has a point 😂 Shaq and Kenny just be disagreeing to be ass holes. 2:55

[@zxcytdfxy256]

I really hope Chuck reads the comments because we know he is right. Shaq and Kenny share half a brain.

[@qtluv27]

😂😂😂

[@MalakhiW]

Shaq is smart

[@harrahjaienudalo942]

@MALAKHI WILK wow

[@micahjohnson425]

Who is we?

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@micahjohnson425 ur mum?

[@marioramos6803]

Shaq & Hakeem balanced each other out? WTH??? Shaq & The Magic got swept!!! The Dream shook Shaq into the popcorn machine like Chick Hearn would say.

[@leafsrule4life]

Shaq - 28/12.5/6.3 on 59.5% shooting Hakeem - 32.8/11.5/5.5 on 48.3% shooting That's pretty close to balancing each other out. Perhaps Nick Anderson missing four free throws at the end of game 1 played a bigger role in the series going only four games.

[@ljayydagoat7113]

@@leafsrule4life one game shouldn't be the reason u got swept tho

[@Hotobu]

@@ljayydagoat7113 I don't think you realize how ridiculous what you just said is. Do you realize how many series' ended up as 4-1? All of those were "one game being the reason a team didn't get swept🤣🤣🤣"

[@back2back379]

@@leafsrule4life No, it wasn't balanced out. There's a reason why Hakeem's Game Score was significantly higher for the series. There's a reason why Shaq had a Negative Net Rating per 100 possessions for the series (Penny's was positive). There's a reason why Shaq had 7 TOs in Game 1 and 6 TOs in Game 4. There's a reason why Shaq had a Negative Box Plus Minus for the series (Shaq's was -1.9 while teammate Penny's was 5.7). I watched the whole series, the Magic were my team, and you could feel Hakeem having more impact than Shaq for the series, which is reflected in the Impact metrics. Just listing surface stats like Pts/Rebs/Asts and saying they balanced each other out is about as surface level as you can get.

[@mmsibi]

@@back2back379 whew. Church. Nice break down...props

[@aaronfleming4911]

Why is Kenny Smith scared to disagree with Shaq

[@hakshustletv]

It all depends on what Chuck considers "the best players". If you mean 2 or more players in the top 5, we can look at history and debunk that quickly because it's very closely balanced. In the 000s you had Pistons, Lakers, Celtics, Miami, Spurs, they didn't all have 2 out of 5 best players, if we widen the range to 10 then he has a point. Post-2010 that has definitely been the case for the most part; you have anomalies like Mavs & Toronto but they're the exception not the rule. Cavs, Lakers, GSW, Miami Heat dominated that decade; Mavs won 1, Spurs I think won 1 & Toronto the other meaning the other 7 times a team won it was by one of the teams I mentioned who had at least 2 of the 5-10 best players in the league.

[@ashleyhalcrow5945]

I kind of agree but I think shaq is right. For the teams that had the best players they also have players (others) that deliver. Would Miami win without Ray Allen ? He was way past his prime but was delivering. Same with Draymond Green and Igoudala they were key others who made that GSW so great. You take one of them an replace it with another other who doesn’t deliver then they don’t win the championships