Shark Byte Whoop // How Light Can You Go?

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[@NickBurnsFPV]

Sorry, the poll will be on the community page of the channel, youtube removed polls from within videos. You can also find it more easily from your mobile phone if your subscribed. The board I used is the Crazybee f4 Pro v3.

[@Jackanimations]

First again aha!

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

KZbin is always changing things...

[@MrShutterBug]

Very cool! I haven’t tried SharkByte yet, but the latency and weight advantages are definitely appealing for whoops and other micros. I hope SharkByte succeeds and I hope DJI succeeds, and I hope they push each other to keep advancing the tech for us! One side note: removing all the plugs from a Crazybee FC and direct soldering can actually save 0.7g. It is more than you might think because you also get to remove the plugs from the motor wires.

[@nikotttin]

The mad scientist of weight, Dixit Dr. Nick 😜

[@FlyturboKwad]

@4:21 Nick does make reference to removing FC and motor plugs, but I have to agree with him about reparability. 0.7g at best could increase flight time by 5 to 15 seconds?

[@boomboomtradingroom9646]

im jacked to see you taking a stab at the lightest shark byte..... you push all limits trying to do it haha

[@MrShutterBug]

@@FlyturboKwad removing motor plugs is about flight performance more than battery life. Every gram counts if you want to fly fast in tight spaces. But is does make it harder to replace a motor.

[@FlyturboKwad]

@@MrShutterBug Yes this too, thanks!

[@makaveligreen5458]

🤣🤣Daughter sitting there like well that’s dad I trust him🤟🏾🤣What camera is that first flight? it’s beautiful

[@pacificnorthwestpilots6050]

It looks like the Foxeer digisight cam.

[@michaelmontgomery6388]

His daughter must be VERY trusting. Lol

[@marksherman630]

@@michaelmontgomery6388 I bet she can't wait to move out!

[@MCsCreations]

Honestly, both the DJI and the FatShark systems seem REALLY interesting for me. I would have both if I could! (Some day...) But I'm still analog only. Either way, I really think people would buy quads like those. Why not? And they can be much smaller and lighter than with the DJI system. Anyway... I really hope Shark Byte gets better and better! We will see, but maybe all it needs to get the investment is to people start buying and using it. Fantastic flying and build, Nick!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@DumbThumbsFPV]

My favorite video! I miss the days guys use to really dig in and experiment. To me building quads and fidget over parts and finding that right combo is 50% of the fun in this hobby. I love to tinker and this video has so much info for builders especially the weights. 1102 9kkv is just a sweet spot for minus 45g 75mm whoops with the 4 blade gemfans I found. 802/803 are so inefficient and don't provide grip over 25g. The efficiency of the 1102 9kkv and overall feeling of them in the air is just great. Still think you could make a brick fly ;) This video held my attention from beginning to end. Awesome job Nick! Thank you for all the work that went into this video.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Oh, I still need to buy a foam brick :). It was a fun process, I would like to see 1102 motors with shorter wire length, might be a long shot. I would like to see a 1002 or 902 from happymodel and see what the weight is. If we can pull 2grams off the 1102 motor weight it might be worth it. Through this process I kept wondering what the motor shaft weight differences are, I don't have two of the same motor with 1mm and 1.5mm shafts. I don't know if a frame can go lower weight and maintain its integrity, I would be surprised if we can get a durable frame less than 5grams, sure we can cut the battery tray off and that will get below 5grams, but we have to have a way to mount the battery, I suspect the tray is the lowest weight option.

[@samtny1]

Best indoor DVR I have ever seen, sold. I know, I know, DJI looks better, better range, blah blah, sick of hearing about it. We micro flyers need a lighter solution than DJI, this looks to me like the thing.

[@clean1566]

Nice video! I put my SB bundle into an ET115 for flying outside, and it was rather easy to install it all in the canopy. After seeing this, I might try to install it into my HappyModel Snapper 7 for indoors. The extra weight might even slow it down a little, so I can better fly it indoors. Not super light whoops, I know, but I just fly what's fun and reliable. Keep up the great work!

[@jmoore3854]

Thinking about buying SharkBite and trying a light weight build. Think I would use the UZ85 model it comes with the 1102x 10,000 HM motors. It would be a little heavier with the larger 85mm frame and 2” props but would have a lot more performance. The larger size would be better for outdoor flying once it gets warm again and would still work inside. The UZ85 dry weight is 36 grams and would probably add another 12 grams for the dji board and camera.

[@andrewb9942]

I feel like I wouldnt trade the mobility of a performance whoop just to get the hd broadcast, but it definitely fits in a niche between whoop and cinewhoop.

[@DroneOn]

You continue to make the videos I want to see. Thank you

[@sn0opyKS]

5:06 even cut the motors in half to reduce weight!

[@MrGom3zone]

🤣😀😁

[@ValFPV]

LMAO!! 😂

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick Great video and build you are doing. I just love your excitement about your work. I have seen the videos on the DJI version of the whoop builds. But I never liked them, I thought about it and I still think that those weights that made them sluggish and not worth the cost. Now about SHARKBIT I haven't had the chance to try but I have heard great news about it. I wonder if we could find the pins for the connectors that way we can just cut the motor wires to the length you want, then add the pins and connector. And yes that antenna is a Happymodel. THAT THIS THIS ??? A CRASH VIDEO !!! LOL. But WoW !! 3 minutes Great job on them. Looking forward to see your next video

[@JaraFPV]

Your daughter was so destructed, she left. LOL

[@jdecar1]

That "mesh" on the thicker antenna wire is the coaxial shielding. That wire is probably RG178. The black antenna wire is a little thinner and lighter, probably RG196. It is probably worth seeking out antennas that use the thinner-lighter coax since the signal attenuation is mostly insignificant at the short lengths we use on whoops, but the weight is significant.

[@AndyDreadFPV]

honestly that Shark Byte DVR footage is actually looking rather way better than analog to me. way better and I can only imagine it looks even better in the goggles.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, dvr isn't a 100% representation of what we see.

[@Gw0wvl]

That metal shield as you call it on the antennas is part of the antenna , These antennas are called sleeve dipoles... Dipole means two poles, So you have the vertical 1/4 wave piece and the metal sleeve around the coax is the other 1/4 wave part of the dipole... We use antennas like these on HF ( High Frequency ) the only difference being the size of the antennas , As you increase the frequency the antennas get smaller and visa versa.

[@johncgibson4720]

I like this concept. I often buy the parts from good concept products like the petrel 132.

[@technoxtreme178]

What I'd like to see is a SharkByte spec race with some of the LED gates that are used for the Tiny Whoop "invitational" and the course at Jesse Perkins headquarters. The downside to "broadcasting" those races to spectators has always been the crappy analogue transmission... SharkByte might make it more of a "spectator-friendly" sport like that of the 5" DRL. And I'm sure they can lighten this stuff even more... perhaps they could call it... SharkLyte

[@mece66]

I'm slowly starting to get excited over sharkbyte!

[@rtpman1953]

Impressive, Nick. I don't do that many builds. Repairs yes, builds no. I'm hoping some of the manufacturers are watching because I can't be the only one itching to get into SharkByte PNP or BNF in micros and whoops. I'd buy them. Great job on the comparisons and the video examples. Thanks.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would expect the manufacturers can't ignore the $1million in pre-sales. Not to mention the sales since. I don't know how much attention the video might get from manufacturers but if it does I hope it shortens the time to market.

[@leadslinger5130]

super cool things like this will make me look more at going digital for sure.

[@philthayer4087]

Wow, Shart Bite is looking pretty good now!

[@SOLARFPV]

Surprized your daughter is so calm, when you race right by her face 😱 great tests Nick. Weight is somewhat the key, but motor and prop choice too. You did a great job getting a good balance This is a product people would love, if they have the sharkbyte goggle system.

[@PMcDFPV]

What you just said about the trashcan make so much since to me now, i have a trashcan that I'm learning on it man is it "punchy" i think is the term, but I'm learning really good throttle control....i think.... with it on 2S lol :)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes the 0803 motors have a big lump of thrust right at about the hover point, with bigger props they don't suffer from this as much. But man yes, flying that inside will teach you great throttle control.

[@djs134]

The ort antennas are super light and durable and work great.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh i see a micro vee ant. At .3 grams that is fairly surprising.

[@djs134]

@@NickBurnsFPV got them on most of my quads now. Work great for a linear

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@djs134 Is the stem really flexible or rather stiff?

[@djs134]

@@NickBurnsFPV feels identical to a replacement newbeedrone antenna, same thickness to. But a L shaped pcb at the end . So to answer your question it’s fairly flexible

[@faubrinky]

I build a very similar whoop. Mobula7 hd frame and canopy with 1102 9000kV. Havier than your build (44.8g). it is definitely little weak and I should start tweaking. But I already love this category of quads.

[@henkdevries2971]

Awesome project! I find it very interesting to see you explore some new ideas! 👍

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. Time on things like this is intensive. Thankfully all inside so I could try things out each day.

[@alejandromanzano4867]

How can your daughter be able to do her homework with a tiny whooping above her? Incredible xD

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Not doing homework/school work. She was playing on the laptop. :)

[@miquelmarti6537]

I would rather solder three cables than shorten the cables from every new motor. Plus it has some performance advantages.

[@RCRitterFPV]

Tiny Trainers, there is an indoor series... Nurk did a competition

[@pksteffen]

Dad! You’re distracting her work!! ;) This would be interesting if DJI. Can’t see spending $250 to go Sharkbyte but for those who haven’t gone DJI, it is a definite possibility. Like that you are exploring this though. Good research!

[@rickdeckard7549]

Nick....Is 2:30 really your flight time target? That by today’s standards and 48mhz flash seems really short (unless the birds really inefficient) even with your hard flying....just curious? I would think a full minute longer at 3:30 would be more amenable to most people. ....

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I find many report more than a full minute of flight time on quads I have reviewed with the same batteries, I can’t be sure of the performance/care of the battery. I don’t do the 48+kHz on quads I review on the channel, that is a step beyond a review, it’s an option but it’s also an option that can go wrong for those that aren’t experienced. On this side I get 100s of comments, questions and messages, I feel it’s important to have a level approach. I expect more experienced viewers to know, they can increase flight time with kHz, props. I don’t expect the same of less experienced. As in this video, I don’t care for the lack of motor breaking of 48khz or more, when flying like I like to I find it makes it more difficult to manage the flight.

[@walkofshamebadairdayfpv6120]

I’d love to see you solder that up. I’m a NewBee...

[@ValFPV]

Hey Nick, I have another question about the jumper t-lite you recently reviewed. Can you tell please me if the stick travel on the tango 2 or the jumper t lite is higher with the stick ends set to a similar height (so they protrude above the radio similarly) and how much difference there is? thanks in advance! Oh and awesome whoops! I hope digital will get as affordable as analog in the near future :)

[@nikotttin]

The answer is on the rcgroups page of the T-lite (in radios), on page 22: throw is a little shorter on the tango2 due to the slightly shortened sticks. And there's a picture comparing both. www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3754503-Jumper-T-Lite-another-Lite-radio/page22

[@ValFPV]

​@@nikotttin ok, that's just with the sticks put down as far as they go though. I'd like to see a comparison with similar tension :) Thanks!

[@namr2000]

Man, the footage looks so much better than analog but there's definitely a noticeable performance difference. It definitely looks like a heavier quad to fly, though I guess you can't know until you fly it. I'm tempted to get sharkbyte because I mainly fly smaller, toothpick/whoop quads and I feel like sharkbyte would be a good fit for that but it would also mean making a lot of new quads that will come with some compromises.....

[@sixtofive]

If I remember correctly, I thought the original Mobula 7 motors were 16000 kv. This is really interesting to see the results, but I kept coming back to a similar thought. Stick with the 1102 motors and all the same components, but move up to a 85mm frame and Gemfan 2023 2" triblades. I'd be willing to bet that your 3 minutes goes up to 3 1/2 minutes with similar or better performance.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would expect the flight time to go up as well. I prefer to stay at 75mm for indoor flight. The 85mm is much more challenging inside.

[@sixtofive]

@@NickBurnsFPV Good point, but if anyone can do it I'd bet you're the guy for the job. 👍 Either way, you've got a great build put together. Maybe when the weather gets better and allows more outdoor flying the 85mm might be worth trying. Keep up the great work! I always enjoy seeing what you're working on.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@sixtofive lol, oh I have done it, 85mm inside feels like constant work to slow down.

[@fpvcruzer]

I am looking to upgrade my goggles and have trying to decide whether to go with DJI or Fatshark. I really like tiny whoops and up to now it seems that the DJI Hd system is on the heavy side for whoops. Your build using a 2s system seems like the lightest digital fpv whoop that has been made so far (at least that I know about). For me personally, going with fatshark is desirable because I can keep flying the drones I have and then get sharkbyte and build or buy digital tiny whoops.... With DJI I think I would be waiting for them to develop a lighter system that works for tiny whoops or buying heavier drones like the iFlight Alpha A75 HD Whoop and sacrificing some flight performance for increased range and the hd fpv experience. Regardless of the direction I go it is really exciting to see the new innovations with drones! Thanks for the informative and in depth video.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, pretty much the decision we have to make at some level if whoops or good performing micros are desirable.

[@domonicdm3472]

Interesting build and comparison. On the frames Mr Shutterbug 75x pro 2 frame I found more even durable that the Mob V3, but no longer available. The print quality of the V3 appears to have greatly reduced and they don't last as long as they used too. Now experimenting with the BetaFPV Meteor 75 lightweight ( will have to cut the battery straps for 2s). Using the Betafpv canopies with Razer nanos and Caddx Tubo Eos2 cameras with the Beta Fpv A01 vtx as a plug and play package. One thing to note with the Crazybee F4, GEPRC 12a and and BetaFPV Quality control is hit and miss no two FC play the same, typically 1 out of three play nice. Not sure if others have experience ( RDQ have great service)..

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have a few betafpv frames, but have gotten reports of many breakages, I opted not to spend time on those frames. Seems they may have change the plastic/nylon used. I think long term none of the aio last as the 20x20 counterparts, my experience has been pretty good, but I read many comments and messages on this topic, kinda why I mentioned it in the video the way I did.

[@domonicdm3472]

Keep on tricking theses out, the 2s ducted builds seem to be dying out and variations getting harder to find. I enjoy the Mob75' 2s format for flying indoors. Enjoy the vids.

[@CallistoFPV]

Those are good weights in my opinion, my analog (separate vtx and rx) 75mm 2s 1102 "13500kv" whoops dry weights are 35grams and they have gotten me through 6 months of IGOW2 so far.

[@CallistoFPV]

300mah 2s gnb27 1102 13500kv 35 grams gets me over 3 min hard acro, I do lower the motor output to 85 or 90 percent in betaflight. My 40 gram betafpv HD version same everything else flys 2min, so that extra 5 grams is painful.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Good information that. Thank you.

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

Just my option On motors and weight. Is. You need the big motor weight to toss around the weight “mass”. The less weight needs more throttle because no weight or “mass” to toss around in the air. So more weight less voltage?

[@jmoore3854]

Nick your killing my quad budget. The SharkBite bundles are in-stock at both RDQ and GetFPV. I ordered the bundle and will try a light build. I was going to use my UZ85 as the base but will probably use my extra US65Pro that I have on a 75mm frame. It currently weighs 24.4 grams plus the board 5.7g plus the camera 5g minus the Ant camera -1.7g plus antenna 1g plus 0.6g wire and solder so I should be at 35 grams. I will let you know how it works. Thanks, John from Chicago

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Does that US65Pro have a full extra uart? Sure interested in how it comes together. Sorry about the budget :)

[@jmoore3854]

@@NickBurnsFPV the US65Pro uses the new 2S CrazybeeX board and it has 2 full UARTS. The board weighs 5.2grams so I will end up with the same weight that you have on the 0802 motors. For low cost it is the way to go for $89. It is running 3.5.7 so need to re-flash 4.2. Thanks will let you know how it turns out.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@jmoore3854 Ah great. Hard to remember all the different board configurations.

[@slowridefpv9668]

Awesome flights and great info! Quick question. Building a baby tooth. The sharkbyte didn’t come with gummy’s and the holes seem really small? I broke of the corners like you mentioned. The board tries to work its way out of the gummy. Probably just going to put a little heat shrink around the standoff to secure the board? Baby tooth frame, geprc 25 amp, sharkbyte, foxeer digisight, xing 1404 4600 kv with a twig canopy.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We likely need a spare gummy or a short nylon stand off to keep the separation of the boards. The heatshrink would do the trick as well.

[@fatmaelshaikh]

Can you do a build guide on the shark byte whoop

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have this kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4C1knWKm7N5adk

[@fatmaelshaikh]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks

[@scooterfpv8864]

👍👍Interesting! Good food for thought. This will give me a good solid starting point for sure. Thanks! 🤘😎

[@DanielSingerX]

Thank you for this! I just got the shark byte system and I’m thinking what to put it in. I did find long ago that 1102 motors are better than the 0802 for these 2s whoops

[@benjaminarens5625]

Good work Nick!! You guys are true Trail Blazers!!!! I so want a whoop that is HD!! I am sure it would be a huge hit in this market!!!! There are so many FatShark die hard guys, also winter time is so whoop season!! Just a huge step forward in the whoop HD direction!!! Thank you for all you do!! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@raast9835]

Thanks for the detailed video! It inspired me to try on nebula version:

[@MissingNumb]

Gotta throw this setup on the new NBD Cockroach Extreme! Dual stack layout would be perfect imo.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Is that the 75mm with carbon on the bottom?

[@MissingNumb]

@@NickBurnsFPV Yes sir! I thought she'd be extra hefty, but there's plenty of options for mounting, and the cg might be better with the stack layout. The hoops are actually a fair bit smaller that HM or Beta frames, smaller footprint, might help inside.

[@MissingNumb]

So I just got the last part of my build (split lite) and here's the resulting specs. Using a de65 pro running gear (gnb27 series connector), on the NBD frame with carbon plate and small Velcro strap, and additional split lite board and cam mounted in larvax canopy is spot on 32g. The 12k kv should help bump the flight time a bit. Using a little "fixed wing style" finger balance testing, the carbon plate and bottom mount fc has the cg shifted lower considerably, even with the splits large lens mounted up so high. Next up I will test Tiny Whoops 0803 12k onesies.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@MissingNumb I did find I have one of those cockroach frame with carbon bottom plate. I need to investigate that.

[@KernsJW]

Still on the fence about getting SB. Thanks for showing us what can be done with a little testing. Never really thought about ways to cut weight, but lately I have seen so many quads aimed at that. This one definitely gets me thinking of some odd ways to do it. 3d printing a canopy seems a bit heavy, so instead I am thinking of thermal forming one from a soda bottle. Removing all needed connectors seems like a decent weight savings. How many amps do you think it pulls? Xt30 seems like it may be overkill.

[@HomeDronen]

Awesome review Nick!

[@halucinerify]

on the black frame you can cut out the led strip holders

[@sketchpv3080]

Shark Byte definitely has DJI beat in terms of lightness which makes it the only real option for a digital whoop or toothpick. Sure, a Vista can be de-cased but it’s still heavier that way and a two-board VTX makes things too tall on these kind of builds.

[@jayward7536]

Nice builds nick .and your house is lovely now that ive seen every inch of it lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Have you seen the kids rooms? Or the master bath :)

[@steve_beatty]

RDQ's and GFPV , Defiance RC have stock...currently the medium range boards are dear but the whoop boards etc are in stock..

[@slowentropy4531]

Sharkbyte looks good for sure, doesn't interest me slightly on indoor whoops though. I just want them to be fast and light, plus analog looks fine for indoors and is soooo cheap and light in this category.

[@CalleyyyC]

Thanks Nick, I’m interested in this content. I’ve converted my TP3 to sharkbyte and also am building a sharkbyte whoop with the items below. I’m no expert so don’t know what this recipe will turn out like and I definitely won’t beat you on weight! All ears on any suggestions :) -R3d shifters muon -mamba f4 -xing nano x1103 8k -Gemfan 1636-4 40mm -crossfire nano (I know, not necessary) -450mah 2s

[@NickBurnsFPV]

probably come in around 60+ grams, going to be more of a cruiser inside, more suited for outside flight. I worry a bit the flight time might be pretty short, I haven't experienced to many xing motors, but I didn't think they were as efficient as others in the same line.

[@CalleyyyC]

@@NickBurnsFPV oh wow, thanks for the input Nick, I didn’t realize I was increasing the weight that much but it sure does all add up. May go back to the drawing board on this one or I may build/fly it just for the experience to feel the difference first hand

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@CalleyyyC The happymodel 1102 are remarkably light. I suspect that 1103 is double per motor. Rx on my is built in and shark byte is the vtx.

[@CalleyyyC]

@@NickBurnsFPV the iFlight XING NANO X1103 8000KV FPV NextGen Motor say they come in at a surprising 3.6g per motor “on short wires”. I piled what I think was everything on the scale (including wires & screws) and it was 54g. I will probably end up changing to the 1102 that you mention for efficiency and a light board with built in rx like you did. End goal is an indoor flyer

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@CalleyyyC onboard rx is a nice little weight savings, as long as we can do d8 mode and don't expect a "normal" amount of range.

[@cpfpv6410]

been curious about this for a while. good stuff

[@cedricgrandseigne]

That board will go on my us65 pro!!

[@MysteryD]

The black frame has a tiny bit more plastic on it, look at the bottom of the frame at 2:05 closest to the scale display.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The middle frame has that as well.

[@erikaspausen]

I would really like to know how you can tune your quad so good like in the video so it stays so locked in. My quads is really floaty and drifty

[@NickBurnsFPV]

There are really two parts to the flight. One is the tune the other is us. I tune by feel, which helps with the way I fly. I have been flying 5+ years, knowing (hearing and feeling) what does cause quads not to fly very well helps me change pids to correct those issue. Also understanding that a "perfect" tune doesn't exist, at some level all quads have limits to how they can fly well, and how to fly them to avoid shaking and other often seen as tune issues. My advice is to fly often and make small changes to learn what kind of tune fits your flying.

[@mikaelbackstrom]

Great video! And best looking picture and lack of interference I have seen in a video about Sharkbyte yet. Might be a chance for Fatshark to take part of the market again. I am personally a bit concerned if they can actually transform their company from basically building googles and instead innovate in electronics and software like DJI. I do not feel that confidence, seeing how they have handled product development in the past. Would love to fly whoops with that experience and quality you show us here, but no... it is too much money to also invest in Shark Byte. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope for a DJI whoop board in the future.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Fatshark has long manufactured other items in fpv other than Goggles. They are a fair smaller company then dji. They are using a third party to develop the software side of sharkbyte.

[@nikotttin]

Very interesting... First the digital view is nice. I think we need a whole starter package, whoop + SB. Regarding 1102s. I tried some 11500kv on a 75mm whoop and it was horrible. Slow and short flights. My impression was that these larger motors want to push larger props... What about mounting them on a 85mm frame with 2s?!? You should gain flight time and speed for a little weight penality. Would this camera fit a beebrain mount?

[@nikotttin]

Forgot to say that the 1102 were tested on 1s because why not 😉 On 2s it should be better for sure... But again the Shutterbug85 exists...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

85mm is oddly much less in house friendly. The only 1102 1s quad I have flown inside is the cinefun, it did pretty well with the xt30 it cam with

[@ripperfpv9880]

Very nice nick they look heavy in flight if that makes any sense lol 😂 great instructive content pal 👏🏼

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Sure, no where near the sub 20gram of analog 1s whoops, I felt the 1102 handled the weight better, still both weigh less than other analog 2s whoops on the market.

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Gday Nick, mate what an awsome review, this would be great!! all i need is good compatible goggles to run shark byte then I'm in 100%, cant believe how clear it is when your flying around inside, maybe someone can print a 3d circlip to go over the camera connector and the board to secure it down to stop it lifting off, cant wait to see outside flights, looking foward to getting shark byte soon, outstanding mate job very well done.👍🛸

[@Sam-gr8pl]

This fun ist getting day by day expansive..🤪

[@kdronescotland1381]

Had any heat problems the cards run so hot

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I haven't, but its not warm hear yet, highs currently 70F is a high temperature.

[@fpvclub7256]

2nd one seems smoother and quicker..

[@makaveligreen5458]

OK I see now but hell I like both cameras

[@deadlazlo]

Great review, Nick. Sorry if I missed it, but what is the estimate for the build out for these quads?

[@kienthvasquez5362]

Hi im fairly new to the hobby and found your channel i bought the eachine e013 a month ago. when i flew to the 2nd floor of my house its reception is bad and i cant control t what affects the reception? the receiver on the drone or the controller?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Both can impact reception. Also the environment. Construction, wifi, cell tower proximity etc

[@jasongauruder5491]

Hi Nick, are you running the stock capacitor that come with the tx5s.1 whoop board on these 2s builds ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No. I did have a cap of my own I started with. But it came off in a crash and left it off since. My understanding is we only need the capacitor if we are running above 4s.

[@angelicgundam90]

I'm really close to pulling the trigger on shark byte. At 2s minimum I feel like use on toothpicks is going to be best for me. I hope they can eventually get to a 1s board.

[@nistax2880]

Pull it quick , it goes out of stock really quickly , new stock came from china 2 days ago to rdq , get fpv ect so I'd say think about it quickly before it's too late

[@aaronablan3359]

Hi Nick! Awesome build and video. I’m fascinated on how much control you have on tinywhoops. Are you willing to disclose what your rates are? Cheers

[@NickBurnsFPV]

My rates on pitch and roll 1.2, super .75. Yaw is 1.3 and super .85. Yaw is passive and I found my nose control was better with higher yaw rates

[@ShinyVideoStuff]

Why not 1S 0802 @16-19000kv?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

shark byte requires 7v, we either go 2s or we have to add a voltage regulator to boost the voltage to 7v, even then we could have brownouts if we hit the throttle to hard if the regulator isn't a good one or we can't get the needed voltage to the regulator.

[@glitchunicorn]

wow! looks really good!

[@kampkrieger]

why did you not remove the motor connectors? It makes such a big difference, not only in weight but also in performance??

[@NickBurnsFPV]

repair ability. The performance difference on 2s isn't major in my experience. But it does mean swapping a motor takes an hour, nearly complete disassembly.

[@kampkrieger]

@@NickBurnsFPV oh! it is 2s! did you show the battery? do you flash 48khz Fw on the escs? is 48khz also a big huge performance buff as it is on 1s?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@kampkrieger I am not sure I show the battery this was 6months ago. The battery would have likely been a GNB 350 2s. I find 48khz mostly benefits smaller motors in the 080x and smaller. It has a smaller impact on motors like the 1102 I have on this quad.

[@jibbajabba4597]

Could you not put an output limit on the 0802 motors in beta/emuflight to try and equalise both to the 9000kv motors and see if the flight time increases?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

we could try that. I don't suspect the efficiency will increase much. The kilivolt/rotation will stay the same. We can't use emu currently with sharkbyte, at least we wouldn't get vtx or camera control or osd with emu.

[@Switch180fpv]

I’m going to build one thanks Nick

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Let me know how it turns out.

[@Switch180fpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV no Motors to be find shark byte ordered

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Switch180fpv yea, might have to dig around depending on which motor your going for.

[@blackwater7183]

I wonder if you went up on KV with the 1102's if that couldve gotten you more flight time.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

ah it generally works the opposite way.

[@ATXAirborne]

Nick, how are you able to run Sharkbyte on a 2S? Doesn't the VTX require a minimum of 7V?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

2s is 8.4volts. Down at the end of the battery the voltage is 7volts.

[@ATXAirborne]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks. Just wasn't sure if the Sharkbyte VTX would have a hard shut-off at 7V, since it's easily possible to get under 3.5V per cell on a flight. From your video though, it looks like it should be fine. Thanks for the reply!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@ATXAirborne Yea, I don't think its a hard limit on the 7v. I have yet to see it drop out as long as I stay close to say 6.7volts. I fly my shark byte whoop often around the house.

[@Diown]

Interesting :) sorry I don’t get this. you said “I don’t run it on 48khz and 96kh because I don’t care for the motor braking”. The motors stop faster?

[@michaelmontgomery6388]

Nice video. Have you ever hit any off your family? Keep up with the good work 👍👍

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am sure I have, but nothing eventful that I can remember.

[@JuanCintron]

Nick - What's your take on the digital options available for micro guys? Given that the only options are Shark Byte and DJI would you say that if you are a sole micro guy one should invest on Shark Byte instead of DJI or still wait it out? I know that Shark Byte still doesn't compare to DJI when it comes to image quality but will Shark Byte ever catch up on quality? or will DJI ever shed enough weight to compete with Shark Byte on the micros front? I will love to hear your opinion on this!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

For a sole micro flyer shark byte is the platform to invest in. We have seen shark byte with three different boards already, and the development continues. I suspect we will continue to see whoop boards as well and fatshark is working on making the boards smaller/lighter. The image quality will catch up to a degree, I think its largely the camera performance that needs to catch up. There is a new HDZero camera for sharkbyte, while its not a nano does look good from what I have seen. I don't hold high hopes Vista/DJI will have much more development. We haven't even seen a software update in a year or more, let alone a hardware/vtx update. We have only see new cameras and antenna. I often wonder if the vista/dji system was a testing method for the DJI FPV Quad. I also don't care for the DJI goggles, and we have seen v2 not change much, doesn't give me hope we will see a smaller form factor of goggles anytime soon.

[@JuanCintron]

@@NickBurnsFPV awesome... I feel very similar I do have the DJI systems but honestly it's been mostly collecting dust. Been on the fence on the Shark Byte and now that I'm beginning to feel comfortable tweaking and creating builds (micro) I'm going to invest in the Fat Shark digital option. Thanks for your insight. Your opinions are truly valuable in this hobby!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@JuanCintron Great. I am happy to hear I was able to help some.

[@sit-and-fly7785]

Not real interested in Sharkbyte in it's present form. If they continue to develop it (which I hope they do), maybe sometime in the future. A little spendy now for "a little better than the best analog" video. I would be interested in getting Nick's House in Liftoff. I'd like to master the Kitchen Island Whip, Living Room Lamp Split, and Stairway Dive to the Treadmill.

[@blackwater7183]

Ok...how much did they pay you? 😉 Nick: Yes.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

eleventybillion dollars. :)

[@jowiel314]

I think next year will be a digital year

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It could but I don’t expect micro analog to be the majority for a while yet

[@jowiel314]

@@NickBurnsFPV maybe not micros but the price, variants and performance is probably good enough for most to go digital by next summer I believe

[@rolisaenz]

Nick , you are the whoop master!! , can you share in your point of view a whoop part list to have the longest flight time , i saw a video of a guy who claim to flight a whoop for 6 minutes, can that be attainable?

[@jmoore3854]

The MobLite7 with the included 650 mah battery will fly over 10 minutes if your not real heavy on the throttle

[@rolisaenz]

@@jmoore3854 Hey John between the Moblite 7 and 6, the 7 is the longest time flyer ?

[@jmoore3854]

The MobLite7 has the longer flight times because of the larger props. The larger props run at a slower rpm and carry a larger battery

[@GregQuillen]

Is this like moblite with shark byte? 🦈

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think there is weight left to decrease yet. I think a new frame might be able drop another gram and then the connectors and the sharkbyte and/or camera might also be another possibility down the road

[@fairlyfunctional2236]

the antenna on the far right is from a mobula 7 or us65,right?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am not sure..could be

[@shoecrew8485]

I recently made a similar whoop with shark byte with betafpv 1102 18000kv motors. Whenever the quad crashes the image goes out. I cannot turtle out. I added a capacitor to the power. It improved a little but it is not great. Do you see the same issue?

[@shoecrew8485]

I fixed the break-up by installing a 9v step-up regulator.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have not seen that issue. I could be a solder pad needs reflowing.

[@shoecrew8485]

@@NickBurnsFPV I believe it was too much current draw with 1102 18000kv motors at 2s. It has a bunch of power with gemfan 4 blade prop but voltage sag shuts the vtx. At motor output limit set to 75 it still did it even with a capacitor. Polulu fixed it.

[@wholev1251]

Which screws were used to hold this all down?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I used screws I had on hand. Unfortunately I can’t point you to a direct source. The most important is the canopy screws they are somewhere around 6mm with a wide head.

[@K_Nasty]

Let me know when they go on sale !

[@GregQuillen]

Have u ever hit people in ur family lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I suspect I have, maybe after hitting something else then bouncing into them, but nothing eventful enough to really remember. Thankfully.

[@GregQuillen]

@@NickBurnsFPV well you go really fast. I haven't hit yet but I figured at my show speed it would hurt at all

[@1917VIL]

Wait...when did Sharkbyte start looking so good? Can I use that system with my HDO v1s? Great edit!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

one flight is with the foxeer digicam and the other with the runcam camera. sharkbyte will work with anything that has hdmi input.

[@1917VIL]

@@NickBurnsFPV thank you

[@cs-xd9gy]

@@1917VIL That's not 100% accurate. It has to have the correct HDCP version. I can't remember which one it is though. But any "newer" goggles should be correct. Skyzone o2 won't work.

[@1917VIL]

@@cs-xd9gy Much thanks, pal

[@nistax2880]

@@1917VIL ye hdo 1 works

[@jasongauruder5491]

I'd love to see sharkbyte whoop running on 1s. I think the board requires a 2s minimum, but is there such a thing as a 1s flight controller AIO that has a step up voltage regulator (ie : outputs the required 7v on a pad in addition to the typical 5v pad that they come with). 1s is where it would be of interest for me :-)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

At this time I don't believe there is a 1s aio that has a 7+v pad. We have to add a regulator to boost the voltage.

[@cs-xd9gy]

@@NickBurnsFPV The only step up that I have found to make a solid enough voltage that will run a caddx nebula is 3.8g. The weight on a 1s is just too much. Really slow cruiser. I might try a 1s babytooth with SB. The tooth flies ok with an extra 16g loaded on it.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@cs-xd9gy that is a fair bit weight to a step up board.

[@cs-xd9gy]

@@NickBurnsFPV I know, I spent $75 trying to find one that works. The Vista draws a lot of amps it seems when it starts up. After that it will run just fine. Not sure if SB does the same thing.

[@blackforestfpv3046]

I just wonder why not using 1s for indoors flights anymore? I fly my Tinahawk2 on 1s 450 abot 4-5 minutes. Everything over 10k KV should be flown on 1s in my opinion...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

shark byte requires 7v to power one. No 1s board can supply 7volts, this would require us to add a voltage regulator, and find a good spot to mount it.

[@blackforestfpv3046]

@@NickBurnsFPV ohh.. Didn't know that. I am still old school. FrSky and Crsf... Started 2015 with Fpv

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@blackforestfpv3046 No worries. I started making videos in 2015. :)

[@jmv668]

Loved the video . Sell me one!

[@no-trick-pony]

Hm.. my grief with all of the SharkByte footage I have seen so far is, that it doesn't look nearly as good as DJI. Sure, it's a big step up from analog. But it's nowhere near DJI in terms of image quality. It might be very interesting for racing due to the low and consistent latency.. or if you just absolutely love your goggles. Which is sad since I honestly don't really like DJI with their super-closed off system. On system update and they could use the beloved FCC hack and you are stuck with a 25mW system. Or they could introduce mandatory geofencing.

[@williambarlow4804]

Why not shark byte BNF they have DJI BNF I think there will be a market for it

[@rikkitikkitavi78]

Why so heavy? aint u kinda stealing the idea just makin it worse?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Are you familiar with Shark Byte?