THIS is Why 'Ocean Ramsey' is BAD for Sharks!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Sadly it looks like Steve Backshall has removed his comment (that I had pinned). I pinned it for you all to see because I wanted you to be able to engage in the debate we had with each other. As to why he’s deleted it, I don’t know - too many notifications, or a change in his opinion on Ocean Ramsey 🤷🏼‍♂️. I don’t delete comments here on Shark Bytes (provided they’re not wildly inappropriate) because I strongly believe everyone has a right to voice their opinion, regardless of whether they agree or disagree with what I have to say. The automated KZbin comment monitoring system however, I presume is a different story.

[@EmpressOfExile206]

Hello Kristian! I just wanted to say that I appreciate your message of enjoying the beauty of the natural world and it's inhabitants *without* causing a detrimental impact to the animals encountered 💯 I also agree that for all appearances it seems that the actions of Ocean Ramsey tip the scales ⚖ towards being financially motivated exploitation of wild animals more so than being legitimate conservation or scientific research. All that being said, I do take issue with your _argument from authority!_ This video has a heavy tone of implying that the acquisition of a degree is a distinguishing factor between who is engaged in "real science" and who isn't. I'd be prudent to remind you that many (dare I say *most)* of the greatest scientific breakthroughs which changed the course of human history were made by people who *did not* have a "masters degree" in the relevant field; but were instead just people engaging in their lifelong passions👍 At the end of day, decades of hands on experience from a life of passionately pursuing one's interests will inevitably result in someone who is *far more* of an "expert" than someone who simply _holds a degree_ in a subject, implying they have base level of knowledge/ability in the general field relevant to the degree‼️ And I haven't even scratched the surface on the sheer amount of "published science" that was *only made possible* thanks to _citizen science_ done by hobbyists, locals, and everyday people... _Especially_ when it comes to things like data collection, describing specimens for taxonomic classification, collection of fossils for the paleontological record, etc. And if you spoke with the PHD scientist in fields that heavily rely on amateur/citizen science, they will unabashedly tell you how important & invaluable their role is 💯 I won't continue to beat a dead horse as I believe you're more than capable of looking objectively at constructive criticism and determining it's validity for yourself lmao. I do hope I've at least been able to persuade you to reconsider the stance that only a degree or publishing credits can validate someone as a legitimate contributer to science👍

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@EmpressOfExile206 hey! Thanks for your comment - hopefully you continue to watch videos across the channel, where you’ll see i have so much praise for citizen scientists (new research and creature features are where the praise crops up the most). They’ve been crucial for some of my research too. But like you say, Ramsey tips the scales the other way, and in my opinion unfortunately bothers wildlife for clicks, photo-ops and her business.

[@loligejoshuaski408]

What did he comment?

[@cerambyx-8]

@@SHARKBYTES I would be interested to know your opinion on Jeremy Wade and River Monsters and fishing in general. The show was one of the things that inspired me to do a degree in Zoology. Although now I am a taxonomist and specialise in Coleoptera. However the majority of the field work I do involves aquatic sampling and I am lucky enough to have seen brook lampreys and the incredibly rare sea lamprey. I chose Coleoptera after my placement at the Natural History Museum in the Entomology Department. In entomology a photograph is not enough, you need a mounted specimen ideally under microscopy to appreciate the morphological characteristics to make a taxonomic distinction. A photograph does not allow you to do DNA sampling, produce a karyotype or dissect the genitalia. Like how entomology is dependent on collecting insects (responsibly), is ichthyology on dependent catching fish? I am aware of ways to survey aquatic vertebrates in terms of population ecology responsibly but surely a large part of the data you get is from an industry that is destroying the oceans and line and rod or electrofishing are cruel some would argue? And if photographic interactions is a main source of data for shark biologists surely there would be a massive skew based on anthropological factors, not giving an accurate representation of a species true distribution.

[@VibinJivin]

I have had a change from when I first seen her. I thought she was being irresponsible but wow..........after watching her interviews I have nothing but respect and adoration for her and Juan. I have watched other shark divers and I truly feel there is a difference with Ocean and Juan. call me crazy but I think God has gifted them.....I know it sounds looney and I apologize for that but there is something amazing within them. those sharks seem to really have a relationship with them. I love watching the interactions.

[@Ryuondo]

MalibuArtist is probably my favorite "shark influencer". He uses drones to non-invasively film great white sharks just being great white sharks. No chum, no bait, just sharks being sharks.

[@Allyourbase1990]

Yeah his videos are god

[@squidleyskidley]

Yes! I live his videos!

[@ashleymarie804]

I will check out his videos! Thanks 😊

[@sir.benzerlot4571]

Well he is also painting sharks as “not what they actually are” by showing them peacefully swimming near people. Maybe sharks just don’t eat people????

[@zer0tzer0]

The problem is he used to use the drone to warn people there was a shark. Now people follow the drone to find the shark, possibly stressing the shark and endangering themselves.

[@76JStucki]

I heard another guy say once: “they aren’t malicious, but they do kill things for a living.” Grizzly Bears aren’t mindless killing machines either, but running around in the woods with them is a terrible idea. Close proximity to any large wild predator is not a good place for humans to hang out.

[@laurat1129]

To reiterate your comment 1 mo. ago to a video from 6 mos ago, this reminds me of Grizzly Man, Timothy Treadwell, the bear enthusiast. Sure hope the same doesn’t happen to Ocean Ramsey, b/c aside from the tragedy, it will set back shark conversation (edit: conservation) even further. This brings to mind several more examples, the latest not about wildlife but deep water exploration with OceanGate. The lesson here: Just b/c you (think you) can, doesn’t mean you should.

[@76JStucki]

@@laurat1129 Right? Someone might swim with an 17ft+ Great White 100 times and nothing might happen. But all it takes is for that shark to get curious once and you’re either seriously injured or dead. Same with bears. It doesn’t even have to be angry, and it doesn’t have to be a predatory attack. An animal that large and powerful can hurt or kill your simply out of curiosity.

[@migz121]

​@laurat1129 .....Agree 💯% with you....‼️ Just b/c you've done it multiple times and nothing has happened, doesn't mean you're not putting yourself at risk....Tyna Webb swam the same spot for 17 years in False Bay, shark onlookers told her on that day not to swim b/c there were sharks spotted. Needless to say she was devoured by an estimated +20 ft. Great White. All that was left of her was her red swim cap. Same thing with Timothy Treadwell after 13 years getting very close to Grizzly Bears....Not to mention his girlfriend was also eaten 😢.

[@BlackRose22998]

@migz121 your correct about Tyna Webb.she was over confident once too often and paid with her life.. There is ALWAYS a risk

[@migz121]

@BlackRose22998 Exactly 💯 % ...She was a very healthy and strong 77 yr. old

[@CyberSneek]

Take only pictures, leave only bubbles. People in the diving industry have known all along her stories are fake and just for the instalikes, and we are fully aware of the damage she is doing seeing it firsthand in the industry. Glad to see a subject matter expert shining some light on the topic, great video.

[@sirissac3799]

Only a matter of time before a shark attacks her

[@NeutralGloomBot]

The saddest part if this era we live in is that the people flock to the frauds as experts and mock the experts as frauds. Its what I call "the great era of human stupidity" and I wish I knew how long it was going to last because it doesn't see to be ending any time soon.

[@becominghero9754]

Eh that's how it's always been. Remember, if you go over the case, the Catholic church didn't attack Galileo because of anything in the Bible--but because Galileo contradicted Aristotle. Aristotle. A book that didn't even have anything to do with the book that was supposed to be the church's whole job. But the church's scientists--educated men who got off on being told how smart they were--well, they were incredibly angry that anyone would contradict their main text book. So they mocked the expert as a fraud, too; it's more dangerous to know a little than to know nothing. As long as most countries in the world are trying not to threaten the expert with execution, that's something.

[@NeutralGloomBot]

​@@becominghero9754 You know I always try to find some kind of hope internally that this species will eventually learn and grow but you're right. We've been gullible idiots since day one and the only thing that has improved is the technology used to keep us gullible and stupid. I feel tired of caring. As I get older I'm starting to understand why Carlin took himself out of the equation and gave up on caring about human progress. I think we're destined to go extinct. Too stupid to survive long term. What have we been around? 20k years? That's nothing. My bet is we won't make it to the year 2500.

[@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013]

Frankly, it's an Entirely predictable natural extension of the vein of anti-intellectualism that has been a major force in American culture for over a century, it only Seems more prevalent now because of the much lower barriers to becoming a public figure and the political right making the worst parts of human nature their Entire platform across much of the Western world. A fake doctor with a fake degree in alternative medicine ran for Governor of Kansas as a workaround to being repeatedly arrested for practicing without a license about fifty years ago, and by total votes cast he won.

[@TheJustinJ]

@@NeutralGloomBot If you would like an alternative view of humanity, speaking of Aristotle. And the limitless human stupidity. I would suggest: Objectivism, The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Dr. Leonard Peikhoff.

[@TheJustinJ]

@@becominghero9754 I came here to mention Galileo and Socrates... Not Aristotle. Haha.

[@wildworld6264]

Videos like this are why I love this channel. I'm so glad you make these informative well-researched videos on these topics. 'These animals aren't pyscho killing machines at the same time; they are not cuddly play things either' Great quote and something we all need to understand.

[@ellagrant6190]

I've found Kristian to have a quite balanced and nuanced take on many issues in a day where tribalism and polarization rule public discourse far too much.

[@Gildedmuse]

As someone who grew up watching Shark Week (which, I know, has many a problem, but to me when I grew up was just like.... A week of ocean facts, and I loved that) I honestly thought that was the default perspective, right? Because a Great White can undoubtedly end you, and even if it couldn't, it's still a wild animal but at the same time that's all it is. An animal. It's just out there trying to live it's best shark life, and there is nothing to hate about that. Discovering that so many people take it to these extreme positions is still weird to me, even after years of being exposed to KZbin. I suppose in ways Shark Week prepared me for the "people who believe sharks need to be destroyed with fire" tribe, but then you have the, "I touched a nurse shark once and it was fine you can swim right up to a great white" people and both are somehow equally frustrating to try and explain why they really need to reel it in a little.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thanks wild world! You’re right, that’s my overall message of this video that I’d hope people take away

[@kelseybowen5362]

I understand that in the 70s I think when original jaws was made. I totally get it freaking people out but the impact that that.MOVIE had on peoples psyche, and their perception on sharks even to today is astounding to me and it’s incredibly stupid! Nobody went out massively killing crocodiles when Lake Placid came out and might I add they kill more people a year than sharks do! It’s just the stigma that surrounds that movie. I’m sorry I feel like it’s bullshit. Excuse my language but I haven’t seen anybody else’s outlook based off of a MOVIE about any other “killer” animals be completely believed as facts as it was in JAWS and therefore the sharks paid a HUGE price for that widespread ignorance and thaty how it’s been in peoples minds even to this day. I am so sorry I am so sick of JAWS and I’m so sick of people using it as an excuse as to why they hate sharks & fear them so badly! I know that this was not Peter Benchley’s intentions when he wrote the book of JAWS and as Steven Spielberg has always done in his films, made an incredibly spooky film, but that’s all that it was, and I know that Peter eventually had said “had I known that writing this book would have led to the onslaught of so many sharks, I never would’ve wrote it. “ so I think that sad that a man wrote a book that was really great and people took it and ran with it as facts. But I’m sorry I know this wasn’t what the video was about. I just had to throw my JAWS rant in! Lol!

[@windog551]

@@kelseybowen5362 Great whites do hunt humans dude. Ask the guy in Australia that got bit in half while training for a swimming marathon. Tiger sharks love humans too. Just like bears and Tigers. If they are hungry and your the only meet around you are lunch.

[@hhlentz]

Also, as a historian (published), the fact that Ocean Ramsay wrote “at al” instead of “et al” when referring to your paper and publishing partners is a clear sign to me that she’s not actually in academia.

[@-----REDACTED-----]

Imagine getting the name of probably the single most cited author wrong…. 😔😂

[@johndoeyedoe]

"Et Al" is a basic academic referencing terminology. Ocean Ramsey is a bit of a twat tbh.

[@namtellectjoonal7230]

lmao, I'm a university student without any publications, and even I wouldn't have gotten that wrong I'm starting to wonder if she has ever even attended an introductory college course xD

[@papadopp3870]

Possibly it is the same as happens to me. In a quick response to a comment I’ve types the term “et al” (on a UK English ‘board) and, if I hadn’t proofed the comment, my spelling software would have posted -yep- “it all”. I’m simply saying😊. Keep up keeping up and let’s not overcook the critiques of the gentle and passionate Malibu Artist.

[@-----REDACTED-----]

⁠@@papadopp3870 That’s just shoddy - and honestly downright disrespectful towards alia given the disregard on clear display if left uncorrected. Those are the little things you simply ought to not get wrong in academia and it is drilled into students.

[@thedarknessunderneathpodca6366]

Did you see that Italian marine biologist specializing in sharks who got in the water with about 20 bull sharks swimming around his torso to raise awareness that sharks aren't monsters or that dangerous? He was shocked when one of them suddenly tore part of his leg off. He forgot that they are still very dangerous and the more there are in the water the more likely one is going to be bold enough to think, 'hmm, this looks edible.'

[@SHARKBYTES]

Reacted to this Erich Ritter clip in the latest ‘Shark scientist reacts to shark attacks’ video! Came out a few weeks ago, make sure you check it out 😁

[@squarebear619]

That was the first year I watched Shark Week. Such foolishness. He's learned to have respect for them if you watch his more current interviews.

[@thedarknessunderneathpodca6366]

@@squarebear619 I thought he died a few years ago. He was a jackass. All that education on the subject and he knew less about one basic obvious fact than the common layman. That bullsharks, esp a lot of them, are dangerous wild animals and not puppy dogs with fins.

[@sandrahammond5566]

Clearly, he is not an expert on Bulls..No way I'd be in the water with ONE, much less a few!

[@sandrahammond5566]

Could have turned ugly quick..a competitive feeding frenzy! Yikes!

[@mikewillard34]

Glad someone is finally talking about this subject. If tourist were going out flipping sharks around by their snout she would be the first one to scream cruelty. Sharks aren't murderous monsters but they are dangerous creatures that can do serious damage just doing a "test bite". Telling ppl these are gentle, harmless creatures isn't just reckless, it's a downright lie.

[@SteveBurk]

test bite my ass, they want to eat you. and they eat many people.

[@cykrypt0]

did you see the aussie bloke that got eaten alive by a great white? insane video

[@SteveBurk]

@@cykrypt0 yeah, bit in half, holy shit. and shark came back to eat the rest of him. So much for sharks confusing humans as Seals lol

[@ddesa123]

@@cykrypt0 I saw that video and I still can’t get the image out of my head. He was floating face down, torn in half and the thing came back after it had let him bleed out and finished the rest of him. So tragic. It’s so annoying when people say great whites “always mistake people for seals.” That’s utter nonsense, there are hundreds of examples throughout the 19th-20th century of them purposefully targeting humans and continuing to feast after the test bite. Sharks deserve respect, reverence and fear.

[@cykrypt0]

@@ddesa123 absolutely, apex predators that demand the upmost respect, to them we are just fleshy bags of meat lol. i think that's why that type of death doesn't bother me like a terrorist or cartel beheading does, beacuse those deaths are done with malice intent. the shark was just hungry and wanted food lol, i can relate to that.

[@maestrooracle]

I falsely believed that Ocean Ramsey was helping sharks when I first came across her but after reading some articles on the dangers and financial motivations of her actions, I have truly changed my stance. Can't recommend this video enough. Good job!

[@jaredmello]

What are the financial motivations you speak of?

[@truthseeker6116]

@@jaredmello you obviously didn't watch the video.........

[@Texas240]

​@@truthseeker6116- this video is a poorly researched hit piece on Ocean Ramsey.

[@Texas240]

If you think Ocean is bad for sharks, ask the up to 273 MILLION sharks that die annually to commercial fishing, loss of natural prey or habitat, plastic, etc how THEY feel about her trying to bring awareness to the issue of shark and ocean conservation. I'm sure those dead sharks, many thrown back in alive but dying with their fins cut off, would have a different opinion. You have an issue with Ocean doing snorkeling tours for a fee to enable her other conservation activities? What job would you suggest is more appropriate than being in the water? Or, are you suggesting that only full time researchers attached to a university and clawing and scratching at grant money are legitimate? We all have bills to pay. As an entrepreneur myself, I salute her for finding a way to pay hers and support her conservation activities while doing a job that is in her field. Besides that, her tour price is quite affordable for anyone who's already spending the money to travel to the islands. As far as the tours being just a cash grab, if you watch videos of them or look at what people say who've actually been, there's an education component to the tour that happens before the tour goes in the water. Ocean is good for sharks and the guy doing this hit piece video has jealousy issues, based on tone and lack of research.

[@truthseeker6116]

@@Texas240 Your correct in everything you say but i really do fear its all going to end in tears for Ocean Ramsey. Steve Irwin though he was always in control but around wild animals especially apex predators the last place you want to be is next to them.

[@kithrynevergreen]

I think you hit the nail on the head. People don't think sharks are monster. But a lot of people ARE afraid of sharks just as they are of of snakes or crocodiles or a lot of other predators. Especially if we - as humans - have to enter THEIR territory to see them, a little bit of healthy fear or at least awareness of the possible danger AND also a bit of respect towards the creature that is quite capable of tearing us apart is nothing but HEALTHY.

[@vonclod123]

Fear and common sense are built into our survival code.

[@ChrisAndCats]

You can believe they're not mindless monsters, but that doesn't mean you have to get near them either.

[@kyze8284]

"Fear is just a healthy respect for things that can end us if they decide they want to" Hence why being scared of deer is totally rational to me, especially during the rut

[@KatzenJou]

My biggest gripe with influencers is that more often than not they're actually taking money and resources AWAY from the causes they're supposed to be promoting. We already have many excellent preservation groups that are only prevented from doing more good work by lack of funds and support, but instead of promoting these groups influencers set up their own brands and all the money you're manipulated into thinking goes for a "good cause" actually goes into promoting the brand. After all, you can easily justify paying your army of photographers and editors with "raising awareness" while not actually doing any conservation work.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Very true, there are so many fantastic NGO’s who really need the money for their research!

[@christophercarrillo4726]

I didn’t even think about this. That is so true! Now I’m annoyed some pretty chick is garnering all the attention from them :(

[@mattsmith5421]

The only thing they're trying to promote is themselves.

[@KaileyB616]

To be fair, the people giving their money to these influencers were never and are never going to donate money to NGOs (and the like). Also, I believe most of their money comes from brand endorsements and ad revenue. I don't follow or financially support any influencer, and whenever KZbin Shorts recommends one of Ocean Ramsey's videos to me, I give it a thumbs-down and keep scrolling - because she irritates the piss out of me. So all I'm saying is that I don't think money and resources are getting taken away from any cause because of influencers.

[@GLOWINTHEDARKCIA]

I would argue awareness is the most vital piece of the puzzle

[@kory_misun]

Thank you so much for talking about that dangerous stress hormone. It's not discussed enough, and more people need to know the harm they're doing to wild animals that don't want any trouble, just to live their lives in peace.

[@epicjourneyman2145]

I really appreciate her Freediving skills (as an ex-spearfishing guy) and I kind of like that she teaches people to face the shark and not panic or splash around in an encounter...pretty solid advice. Here is the problem; as a shark enthusiast I know that sharks are highly sensitive to having their ampullae of Lorenzini stimulated and will often seek to be stroked or have that sensory network stimulated again from what I've seen other researchers do. Yes, the films show her pushing down from the top of the head/nose area and not rubbing the sensitive area underneath the nose but I can't believe she hasn't tried what others have shown can be accomplished by using this technique and my issue with doing this is that it gets the sharks accustomed to it and genuinely anticipating it - so what happens to some tourist when these same sharks cruise right on up expecting to be "petted" in the right place? This is dangerous in my opinion because it removes the natural barrier of curiosity and careful trepidation these sharks would normally exhibit and alters their behavior in a way similar to feeding them for commercial shark dives.

[@Texas240]

Unfortunately, we're at a place where we need people driving the conversation about sharks. They are currently being fished at unsustainable rates, up to 273 million per year in total (estimate according to "Sustainability" by Porcher, Darvell 2022, based on 2013 data). That will eventually lead to extinction and several species are already endangered. I guarantee the channel creator that most people are unaware of that or the fact that sharks kill less than 10 humans per year (only 5 in 2022) . A bit lopsided trade for these man eating killing machines! My point is that the natural barrier is going to continue being broken by industrial shark fishing even if conservationists stay away from them. Sure, that would mean even fewer shark deaths by a potentially unsuspecting tourist, but such deaths are already almost zero, despite the fact that most human and shark encounters go unreported and unnoticed because they happen near beaches and we never notice the sharks.

[@bonzbeasty]

That is a great point. Similar if not exactly the same as why humans aren't supposed to feed wildlife. Signs in any state park, zoo, etc. that most people are used to; whether or not they understand why, most people respect. A plethora of reasons, but the main one being changing the natural behavior of said wildlife. Great observation that I really hadn't thought of until you mentioned it.

[@johnnylotito]

@@Texas240 depends where in the world. some shark populations are thriving.

[@Texas240]

@@johnnylotito - That's incorrect. All species are declining at an unsustainable rate, according to "Sustainability", 2022 Porcher, Darvell.

[@johnnylotito]

@@Texas240 thats literally using old data, you can google current data and see that great white shark populations around the US, and other shark species are booming because of conservation laws

[@Sharktoz]

I agree with you my friend. Respect for calling this out. The only way we get things done is through the facts and peer reviewed articles. Not Instagram post.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Research HELPS sharks!

[@YOLONOW5280]

I’ve searched her credentials repeatedly and couldn’t find a thing. You’re definitely finally stating the obvious. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@jinxtacy]

Here's the only thing I was really able to find. "Ramsey studied marine biology at the University of Hawai‘i at Mänoa and at San Diego State University, where she got her bachelor’s degree. She is now working toward a master’s in ethology-the study of animal behavior and psychology"

[@lisettelowndes4120]

Ocean Ramsey is being a bit misleading then as she states she already has a masters in ethology doesn’t she?

[@deargdoom8743]

Sounds like a bit of a chancer, to be honest.

[@forrelli1]

I studied marine biology and wanted to specialize in shark research too. I don't really think you need to have a doctorate just to be credible. She's around sharks almost every day and as compared to some professor who sits at his desk and shmoozes donators all day long I'd rather take the word of someone who's been around them in the water and not from someone who hasn't on a constant basis. I agree sharks should not be touched or provoked like this. But I have dived with her and Juan in Hawai'i and very much appreciated all the info they had to share. I volunteered in South Africa too on a great white eco-tourism boat and it was far worse than what this guy is mumbling on about of her.

[@forrelli1]

@@moon-moth1 I understand what you're saying and I agreed they should not be touched or provoked. Every single bit of animal research is invasive (shark tags, chumming the water, etc.) and behaviour-altering. My point is the guy is making a video, bashing someone else for the sake of likes. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. You can make lots on interesting videos that appeal to the masses like Malibu Artist's videos. But to bash someone else is not okay in my books. Especially when the guy has probably never ever met them in person.

[@Luca-xh7ng]

It has always been very clear that Ramsey is 2% conservation oriented and 98% model influencer showoff that thinks she is the “chosen one” when it comes to sharks. She probably started with the right intentions but loves the spotlight and it’s mostly narcissist behavior at this point

[@Celisar1]

She does good things for sharks and is incredibly brave.

[@the_hopelesshobbit]

​@@Celisar1did u actually watch this video😂

[@Lucifurion]

@Celisar1 Jumping into the water to swim with dangerous animals for internet clout isn't "brave", it's narcissistic, stupid and incredibly dangerous, both for her AND the Sharks she claims to love.

[@lizbocuicui6749]

Very well said!

[@j.e.m8506]

​​@@Celisar1'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is nothing brave about a person who purposefully puts themselves in extremely dangerous situations, to exploit animals for their own gratification, and profit. These are sharks, their minds work massively different from your house cat or dog, and even massively different from lions, wolves, bears etc (which all can be dangerous animals in themselves, and I still wouldn't get too close to any "domesticated" wildlife myself personally). Every time she enters the water she's putting herself at extreme risk, and she enters the water after the sharks she swims with in question have had a heavy decent meal..... As they're too full to attack anything else in her mind. All it takes is for another shark to come along who's hungry, at the same time she's swimming with a full one (which does happen now and again even for lone predators) Or for the shark she's swimming with to get pissed off and decide she's desert. When that happens (when not if, because the chance Increases each time this woman gets in the open water to swim with these creatures) Then the shark and many other sharks in the area will then get hunted and killed out of anger from the locals etc, and when a shark eats one human, there's a chance it could become what's known as a "man-eater" and if the opportunity arises, attack and kill other people, so the shark will get put down before a second attack if given chance. In essence she's doing more harm than good here. Most (not all) marine biologists will study the animals through sonar, tracking devices, cage diving (my preferred method if you want to get up close and personal with a shark, it still has its risks, but is far more safer in comparison) You will hardly see any actual marine biologist experts swimming on top of, grabbing and touching a great white shark. They know the risks, they know the harm it can cause as well. Edit: I absolutely love sharks myself, they're one of my favourite animals, but you'd never see me going out of my way to to touch, grab or swim with a great white, tiger, or bull shark especially so.

[@gloryjones1071]

Unfortunately this is a trend we can find in conservationism, activism, and journalism in general where people under the guise of working for good causes are almost more interested in boosting their image than helping the cause itself. The point you made about conservation photography not needing a whole ass ig model in the pictures of animals is spot on because you can tell these people want to put the spotlight on themselves! Thank you for calling this out! I found your channel recently I'm a big marine science/bio nerd and I love your videos!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Glad to hear you’re enjoying Shark Bytes! Hope to see you around more in the comments 🦈🙌

[@alastairwallace6153]

Image sells and attracts more views? so therefore raising awareness? I agree some of these people are idiots but she does seem to geniunly care and risks her life to prove they are not mindless monsters like the media would have us all believe, she should probably refrain from swimming so close but again without those images how could anyone make a dent in the online noise?

[@bboyswitch22]

It's called communal narcissism.

[@MySmithy91]

My new favourite shark based KZbinr - fair, realistic, no drama and it comes across like you hold your opinions firmly but would be open to changing your mind if presented with facts and reason. Lovely stuff

[@redhotdevilwoman03]

This video is proof that you're a good person. The fact that you didn't say mean and hateful things is why I'm such a fan. I happen to agree whole heartedly with everything you said. Also, I've been waiting to see someone talk honestly about the harm she's doing. I didn't know that her credentials were questionable and I bet most of her followers don't know that either. Thank You! I always enjoy your honest, educational, and entertaining videos. We love you here in Canada

[@SHARKBYTES]

I’ll never be horrible to anyone, but I’m always more than happy to systematically dismantle an argument in a fair way! Thanks for watching and hello Canada 😁

[@skycloud4802]

Hateful things said are not the same as criticism. And she is deserving of plenty of criticism.

[@billbally4419]

Triggered

[@justinrenaud4818]

@@skycloud4802yeah but there are plenty of hateful comments that are unnecessary. They can be the same thing if the criticism is being done in a hateful manner. She obviously has her heart in the right place, but not a shark expert and shouldn’t be treated as such.

[@quantumwitcher9376]

Didn't say mean or hateful things? Did we watch the same video 😅

[@deangiusti1884]

That's an utter shame Miss Ramsey didn't contact you in regard to marine debris and how it affects these animals. A very important issue she ignored apparently.

[@AJBTemplar]

But she raises awareness of marine debris frequently in her talks and videos, so that assertion is wrong. There is no need to take sides here. Everyone is interested in conservation.

[@barramundi1479]

Can’t agree more with everything you said SB. “Raising awareness” is actually raising their own ego and followers under the guise of doing something good. Wild animals are exactly that, leave them alone, they don’t wanna be your friend and definitely don’t want to be touched or crowded. You are actually doing more damage than good in order to feed your “look at me” syndrome. Keep up the great work Shark Bytes. 👌

[@SeekLuminousThings]

You raise sensible concerns about Ocean Ramsey. I hate it how “influencers” hijack moral issues for clout and revenue. Greed and vanity is bad enough-when it masquerades as virtue it is absolutely intolerable.

[@mageside]

every single type of influencer trying to utilize moral issues for clout are morons, sure there may be exceptions, and good on you if you are aware of them, but that one good diamond in the rough isn't worth the sea of morons we have to deal with.

[@drx1xym154]

@@mageside -- I do not see any "ocean influences" or "shark influences" as being fake or just for getting clicks or fame and fortune. The same case could be made against this channel ... I mean sharks are popular, infamous, the villain, yet ocean life, human life, all life depend on these predators.

[@doublevideos5424]

Amen to that!

[@Texas240]

Ocean has been swimming with sharks since internet was "AOL" and the connection was dial-up. While she is attractive, she has valid credentials related to the field. Besides the shark tours and other conservation activities, she also does educational presentations for local areas about shark safety and awareness. The fact that she's attractive and online make her an "influencer"? If you're right about that, I'm sure Ocean would be happy to "influence" people into realizing that sharks aren't sea monsters and they aren't man eating killing machines that eat everything nearby. Yeah, she'd be OK influencing people about that.

[@ApricusInaros]

​@@drx1xym154You may not see it, but many do. Swimming with tiger sharks and redirecting them has become a popular activity for ocean influencers. Yet when a shark attack occurs and is picked up by the media, they cannot even find the time to do a bit of research and dedicate a whole video about the incident. Instead they keep on repeating the same contents of redirecting tiger sharks in every single video. Heck they don't even care to show a variety of sharks. This channel is different, because a shark scientist is speaking and putting out educational informations.

[@henryjumbohead5391]

I appreciate this content. I’ve often discussed how some wildlife activists/influencers, and even people that call themselves conservationists, are putting these animals through tremendous stress/anxiety, and then if those animals react to that stress via an attack, the animal will occasionally be killed. That’s why I love the KZbinr MalibuArtist and his drone coverage of sharks. The shots he gets are absolutely beautiful and the effect on the animals is minimal.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Always enjoyed Malibu artist videos!!

[@kennethjmcarthur2428]

Your post is bull__it.

[@carldevries178]

Thanks for this perspective. It has definitely opened my eyes. The good news is that, on her youtube shorts anyway, a lot of the comments say it's only a matter of time until something bad happens or "no thanks, I'll stay away from sharks". It should be common sense that if we should give land predators room, ditto for ocean predators.

[@laranadesign4764]

@2:19 I appreciate you going into this. As a wildlife rehabilitator of wild Cottontails, this repeated response can actually kill them slowly over the course of just a few days. They are not able to say "leave me alone, you are horrifying me" and because people think they are cute, the abuse continues until their bodies just can't take anymore. The 4th of July, here in the US is my biggest gripe with the highest intake of juveniles needing emergency intervention, with domestic cat and dog attacks a close second.

[@SHARKBYTES]

The amount of people that don’t understand the impact of stress hormones on animals is wild

[@raylopez99]

Baby rabbits often die when handled, as do baby chicks (I raised chickens for food), but you can't extrapolate that experience to opine on a fifty year old great white who has already interacted numerous times with people. Heck, wild birds will reject their own chicks if touched by a human, what does that prove about sharks?

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@raylopez99 elephants experience the same heightened stress hormones around people, as well as predators like clouded leopards - the research has shown it. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a tiny rabbit or a massive animal, stress hormones will still have impact. And if we sit here and say well we don’t know for sure how much impact it will have, wouldn’t it be better to err on the side of caution and you know.. not harass the wild animal?

[@raylopez99]

@@SHARKBYTES Stress is good. What about that story of a person who was not stressed and died prematurely? In Africa the predators are tagged and seem quite happy around people, even using safari Land Rovers as cover when hunting.

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@raylopez99 but we’re not talking about tagging in this situation. Tagging for science and furthering our understanding of a species fair enough, although minimising the impact of tagging is still a huge consideration that scientists incorporate into the process. Riding a great white shark for the hell of it - not so much.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Lots of good information and ideas. You do have some good points and how people seem to Use the animals as props but don’t really seem to accomplish what they claim To do. I do appreciate people showing animals that open the minds of others and create value and empathy for said creatures.

[@MonsieurFeshe]

I completely agree. Shark are dangerous animals (Not monsters) and they can hurt you if they want. People need to respect them as they would any land apex predator. Great video lol

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thank you! Once people start getting that message, I think we’ll start seeing less bites globally. At least less provoked bites anyway.

[@surfrider986]

@@SHARKBYTES My pa's British and brought me up to be a pedant - shouldn't that be 'fewer' not 'less'? 😄

[@thomasembleton1467]

We've over corrected when it comes to dangerous animals, from soulless killing machines to its basically just a puppy lets go pet it!

[@cruxio02]

@@thomasembleton1467 I completley agree

[@jackmartin2590]

My personal opinion 99 percent of sharks are quite safe to be in the water with. Most species are more scavenger style hunters which is why there easier to read and push away when there slowly approaching you to see if your a threat or a feed. Sharks will always pick the easiest meal when given the opportunity. Show strength and sharks dont see you as a food source Whites on the other hand from what iv seen, hunt and observe prey very differently. So much more calculated and aggressive. There Still a Apex predator are really wouldn't have any second thoughts at looking at a human as food. I think its really scary to show them as a shark to openly swim with! Many people may not understand this shark had eaten its own body weight in whale! Just some of my thoughts. Many think im completely wrong but there just some of my own observation and experiences in a life in the water.

[@John-qm7zv]

The glucocorticoids is something I’m glad he addressed bc it can be devastating to small fish much less something the size of a shark. Ppl should leave them undisturbed when possible but she want money and clicks 😢

[@seapup2247]

I just came across her and shared a video to fb. We live in New England by the water and camp and swim on the beach in Weekapaug RI. I saw your video and took it off my fb page. You are more sensible and knowledgeable than she is. I currently volunteer for Mystic Aquarium's Stranding Program and did an internship there for almost 3 years when I was 17. I'm now 42 and I'm still obsessed with conservation and have an immense love and respect for marine life. I appreciate your video and take on her approach. Where are you from?

[@rushslayer8647]

Wow….I’m in Warwick, RI

[@maikolosav]

Wow, thanks for this video. I am following her and she seems genuine in her content. But who would have known she repeatedly tuned her back to marine biologists when she's claiming she cares about sharks so much?! That says A LOT about her and her business 😢

[@nimmha6708]

It's so sickening how FAKE people are nowadays, all because of humanity ITSELF being programmed to flock towards drama and exciting stuff instead of the boring truth.

[@tazmanianchic9425]

Specifically, only the one individual repeatedly! Probably due to the way they treat her, speak about her, their lack of respect for her & her work? He's quite contradictory, says she possibly doesn't have her stated qualifications, that her books mean nada, can't find papers because let's be honest, she very likely did not use the name Ocean in her pro work at school! Then goes on to say a collaboration could've done this, done that etc... If someone showed me a lack of respect and was candid & open in saying they thought I was dishonest & they did not think my work worthwhile, I'd not be enclined to collab either, truth be told! He said himself 'I sound salty here!' Yeah, he did, almost to the point of envy or other emotion, I don't know, he's got a lot going on that he didn't say out loud, that much was evident! Also, perhaps she works with many other people, she can't work alone! He's basically saying he wants her findings, data, research results etc, to benefit him. Just look at the headline, would you collab and share your work with someone who written that & released this video? It's understandable that she hasn't responded. Let's hope she is sharing & working with good people.

[@Daniel-kx4sy]

Real marine biologists dont change their names to get bigger instagram followings.

[@chilltarts]

@@tazmanianchic9425 the same could be said if she is a fraud and cos-playing as an expert. It would explain the ghosting. If this is just about him, then why don’t we see any collaborations with her and other marine biologists? Why isn’t she seeking to publish the data she’s collected?? I, for one, am not convinced that she has the credentials she claims… feel free to disagree; but other than posting instagram shots “for awareness”, what has she done within the scientific community to HELP sharks and ensure their survival and safety?

[@briansmith303]

@@tazmanianchic9425 presumably she was approached about collaboration before this video was public, so it's irrelevant how he feels about her unless she had some other way of finding out his views. Also, he didn't say he wanted her findings to benefit himself, but science in general. It's not that she didn't share with him, but that she apparently hasn't shared with anyone, as her data is not public or cited in anybody else's work. She obviously has a keen sense of the worth of her product - a outstanding trait for an influencer and self-starting entrepreneur, but not so much for someone who claims to be a scientist interested in conservation issues. I suspect she would be amenable to a collaboration offer with a sizeable enough payoff. It's up to your own personal views how you feel about that - it's quite mercenary, but not objectively bad (and it's also just speculation on my part, to be fair).

[@thegoodearth7]

After watching her underwater mermaid swim with that pregnant Great White, I thought she was a nut case. The next day I listened to another video where she declared that if a human bleeds underwater, sharks are not attracted to that, because they are ONLY attracted to fish blood. That statement was all the confirmation I needed of her expertise.

[@johndurrer7869]

So she won you back over?

[@HomeDefender30]

Wait…… but that’s true right? I recall studies being done that show human blood does not set off sharks… or even piranha for that matter…. 🤷‍♂️

[@familyof1052]

@@HomeDefender30it does. Piranhas in an aquarium not so much but piranhas will eat your flesh. People always used to say sharks could smell a drop of blood from a mile away but it turned out to be a myth and it’s only a quarter mile away

[@stevescuba1978]

​@@HomeDefender30I watched an experiment where they drifted a bucket of human blood, one of fish blood, and a third that I forget. The sharks basically ignored the human blood. They went nuts for the fish blood

[@shaun5047]

@@stevescuba1978assuming it wasn’t fresh blood, maybe that makes a difference. Lol I mean sharks go nuts for injured seals so I’d be surprised if an injured human would get ignored

[@PsychsolutionswithDrK]

Excellent opinion piece. As a practitioner and scientist with a doctorate in clinical psychology, I couldn’t agree more with you on all your valid points about the negative effects of Ocean Ramsey on the shark community. Where is her published research? I don’t know, but she divulge in a recent video the brand name of the company who gave her the diving suit and fins she was wearing (I guess that’s the model in her) before she touched a large tiger shark.

[@jaydubs6354]

Been saying this for years. She’s a fake marine biologist, constantly harasses and touches marine life, and when I first started leaving these comments on her insta, her and her husband blocked me lol. Actual marine biologists and professional divers never behave in the way she does or interact with marine life like she does. She’s simply just an Instagram influencer and “conservationist” I say that in quotations because I would really like to see the accounting for how much they really raise and donate and to whom they donate to

[@olivebranch1081]

Thank you for making this video! I'm sure it was a difficult decision seeing how big Ocean has gotten and how many people are willing to rabidly go after any opposing opinion, no matter who is in the right. Keep up the amazing work, Kristian!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Absolutely, and I’m sure I’ll get some grief from them. But I’ll only ever punch upwards, I’ll never punch down!

[@connorism69]

Pretending it's largely 'rabid' is poor form.

[@MediaWebCrawler]

@@connorism69 mate, she isn't going to see your comment and sleep with you

[@НатальяСемягина-м7щ]

​@@MediaWebCrawler😊😊

[@stuartbartley1732]

Your reasoning, rationale, explanations, scientific approach is exceptional. Thank you for what you do!

[@skylerr5383]

I think what you went over was very eye opening. There are so many ways to help animals and bringing awareness, and I definitely think that unless the animal itself approaches you it should more than likely not be interact with. Just like people animals need space and respect for themselves, probably even more especially when you know just how sensitive an animal is.

[@nicollekyostia6764]

I'm really glad you are talking about this issue. I've brought this up twice now on other videos on the subject. It SCREAMS Timothy Treadwell (Grizzly Man) all over again and I fear she's going to keep this up until someone is seriously injured or worse. I raise my kids around all kinds of animals. They've been exposed to more than most people when it comes to the natural world. So I thought they would be smarter than this. BOTH my teenage kids have seen Oceans videos, and now BOTH of them have made comments about how cool it would be to swim with a GW shark!?! And they can't be the only ones who watch her and think that. It scares me to death. Its very cool that people are interested, but I don't think she's going about this showing much intelligence.

[@SHARKBYTES]

I mean, I’d also love to swim with great whites - but the context and situation would have align perfectly for me to do this! (For example, my only real chance would be to randomly happen upon a great white during a scuba dive, using a reef as my main cover. I doubt I’ll ever snorkel/free dive with a white in open water). This opinion is also based on years in the water with different shark species (admittedly not white sharks though). Do your kids scuba dive?

[@nancyjones6780]

Like I said.....you sound like me 💯

[@thomasembleton1467]

Tell the to read about Rodney Fox an expert on white sharks and and a white shark attack survivor. There's also plenty of vids of sailors swimming and the sailor in shark watch has to fire into the water to scare them off.

[@nicollekyostia6764]

@@SHARKBYTES No, but we are avid snorkelers. (Gosh that's a funny looking word.) I agree with you. Under the EXACTLY perfect conditions, swimming with a shark like that would be epic. A real "bucket list" adventure. However, I don't think that my kids have enough knowledge/ experience to judge "safe" shark diving! Anyway, thank you for always providing intelligent, intriguing and thought provoking content. I feel that KZbin is really lacking on that most of the time. (I just tried to watch an "informative" video about animals that need our help and the creator called EVERY baby animal "cubs". Even the baby orca! I had to quit it)😅

[@jeffk464]

I always find it fascinating when people have no concept of wildlife. You have videos of people walking up to 2,200 pound Bison trying to get a picture with it. I've seen people walk right past a mouse without a concern in the world.

[@sundragonarabians8427]

I am really glad to finally see your honest opinion on Ocean Ramsey's behaviour in the water. I think she's playing a very dangerous game, and encouraging people with no experience in the water, or around sharks to do so as well. Im waiting for the media frenzy, when she actually gets somebody killed. That could have easily happened any of the times she took inexperienced people swimming around a whale carcass, as part of her business

[@SHARKBYTES]

Play with fire eventually you’ll get burnt!

[@kennethjmcarthur2428]

Your post is unsubstantiated.

[@comedyentertainmentchannel5621]

Monkey See Monkey Do' Gen Z seem to love anything thats trending' watching her swim with Sharks they will copy their influencers' it wont end well for them.

[@808frost3]

I can't wait to see how her adventure ends

[@laurat1129]

Six mos. later, not sharks or wild animals but to do w/deep water exploration, ego, and narcissism: We have (the aptly named) OceanGate.

[@anook1984]

Kristian shares 100% my views on those so-called-marine-conservationists. No touch practise is one thing to do and AGAIN putting the human first on media is not helping the sharks. Models in general have a killer instinct to expose themselves to media as aggressive they can. Good video

[@arilawrence5853]

I feel like TheMalibuArtist has done a phenomenal job of finding that happy medium. He spreads a lot of awareness about how white sharks behave, while not interfering with them or putting anyone at risk.

[@sherylbjerre9636]

Carlos is amazing, I wish more people would check out his Channel. Malibu Artist is actually a guy who captures footage with a drone, particularly Great Whites. His most recent about grey whales in a special place off Baja Mexico. ( not Guadeloupe) where whales come to you!

[@mattsmith5421]

Is that the guy who has a warning on his drone to let swimmers etc know there's a shark close by if that's the guy I've seen lots of his videos, he's not an influencer tho it's such a dumb term for someone who makes videos. Adolf Hitler was an influencer.

[@step2911]

A couple of years ago I had the opportunity to visit Oahu and my sister signed us up to go diving with OneOcean diving to experience sharks in a new perspective. The crew explained behaviors to watch for and the safety guidelines and most importantly we were not there to touch but to observe. Without a doubt it was the most educational experiences of my life. It was unreal to witness. They do not promote doing what Ocean and Juan do on their dives - they just give you the opportunity to see the shark through different eyes. I do agree with Shark Bytes on what influencers do and while I cannot comment on the rest of her work - I honestly appreciate the experience I had. Still fearfully respectful of these creatures.

[@Allyourbase1990]

Yeah I don’t see why people are going so hard on her

[@Texas240]

Thanks for the first hand account of your interaction with her diving company. I think the fact that she's attractive and online during the "influencer" era gets her lumped in with every other insta model. OK, she runs an online business selling merchandise. So does Jeff Bezos. So do a lot of people who have a tiny following and are just trying to make ends meet. Some might claim she's just using the sharks to sell merch and dive trips. As the OP pointed out, it was an educational experience. Sharks are being fished into extinction and most people don't know. That's probably worth getting some exposure. Despite the channel creator's assertion that most people know sharks aren't man eating killing machines, read the comments. I've seen exactly that several times, "she's playing with fire, that's a man eating apex predator." If people think sharks are just violent nuisance animals that ruin beaches, nobody will care about saving them from extinction. Ocean is driving the conversation. As for the lack of sharing of data, there's three sides to every story: his side, her side, and truth. We don't have her side and despite the fact that she's a public figure online, seems pretty private and low key personally. I'd prefer to hear her side (or, better but unlikely) the truth before passing judgment. Anyway, thanks again for your first hand account of your experience.

[@Badficwriter]

@@Allyourbase1990 Because she's endangering animals under the pretense its for their own good. Her company sounds good, but that doesn't excuse her personal behavior.

[@Bitchslapper316]

@@Texas240 Bro you are in every comment defending her. She's not going to date you so stop trying.

[@Bitchslapper316]

She would probably get arrested and lose whatever license she had if she encouraged people to jump in the water and touch sharks while taking them out on a tour. I think Bytes is talking about is what is shown in her videos. If she did a "don't try this at home" disclaimer it would make it seem better. I have nothing against her but I get what he's saying. There are far worse and more dangerous influencers who tell people tiger sharks are friendly and that they don't eat humans. And that you can "redirect them". Lol

[@pearcat08]

Never responding to your request to collaborate through data sharing says a lot, in my opinion. Ocean Ramsay: I'm doing all this because I care about marine life and conservation, and all the data I gather is available to help with marine conservation. You: Here's this opportunity to help with marine conservation by sharing your data. Ocean Ramsay: Nah, I'm good. Really? 🤔

[@aliceboney1002]

You remind me of Gator Chris. He is a gator/croc rescue and education influencer. He does a great job of reminding people that the gators don’t love him (as people comment that) and proves that if he makes a mistake they will bite/attack him. He does a great job of showing both their beauty and abilities.

[@mcme7209]

Support from the Mission Earth Community, greetings from Germany

[@gckbowers411]

I started to get suspicious of the "sharks are peaceful" crew when they started saying things like "shark attacks are always accidents" and other unscientific unproven statements about sharks' motives.

[@JohnWilliams-hw9yn]

Ocean Ramsey will save a fortune in sunblock due to the amount of justified shade being thrown at her. A great video Shark Bytes, and a timely reminder that the camera lies constantly, never more so than in the posts of influencers. Yet despite being a take down, Kristian managed to do it in a really smart, scientific, and somehow pleasant way.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Hahahah firing that shade 😂😂

[@kelseybowen5362]

I’m sorry I had to comment your opening line on your comment. Just had me laughing for five minutes straight. That was hilarious.!

[@Accountfella8267]

I just wanted to drop off Mermaid Kayleigh as a prime example of someone I think falls in a similar category as Ocean Ramsey. There's videos of her touching sharks, swimming alongside them, supposedly teaching shark safety. Also, I really enjoy your videos and I hope to see more opinion pieces from you as you're really well-spoken and sound like someone whose voice should be heard.

[@SHARKBYTES]

I have a feeling mermaid Kayleigh might be employed by Ocean Ramsey’s company - I could be wrong though!

[@mtb4l673]

Don’t exclude Andriana Marine. Another “expert” who is going to get consumed one day.

[@Bjergkanin45]

@@mtb4l673she has a video where she is very close to being bitten by 2 tiger sharks close to her boat. She delusionally talks about how her actions keep her safe - when a 16 feet tiger wants her for real all her "redirecting" won't do ish.

[@mtb4l673]

@@Bjergkanin45 💯 it’s only a matter of time

[@MakeTimeNow]

I'm from Hawai'i and am part native Hawaiian and the lack of respect for the sharks upsets myself and many locals. The shark (manō) are respected and revered and these people swimming with them encourages a lot of very irresponsible behavior from untrained people. There are average people convinced they can jump in the water with a tiger shark and push it to the side peacefully not realizing these videos have dozens of experienced divers around some with spears. Sharks are predatory and to not respect them and to share it on socials as much as they do is super irresponsible. It is so frustrating to see people like Ocean Ramsey promote swimming with them. So much disrespect and so irresponsible. They can put disclaimers all they want but humans can be quite naive and stupid and so many will engage in irresponsible and unsafe behavior because of their videos because they also want some cool pic or vid for the 'gram. It's only a matter of time before someone meets a tragic end.

[@lavp365]

as someone who tremendously values research and empirical evidence (i’m in the field of psych. & criminology), it is a huge red flag that someone who claims these things hasn’t provided credentials and has no peer reviewed papers published. i think you were quite generous towards her but got your point across eloquently and with empirical support. another red flag is the hypocrisy of using research buzzwords and not even following up when a well-respected scientist reaches out. i want to encourage you to continue speaking in scientific terms when explaining these concepts to us because i believe your audience is adept enough to understand, and you do a tremendous job of explaining these concepts. i appreciate this video a lot as i had my own reservations about Ocean in particular. i now have a much better understanding of this topic and it’s really sad how it appears she may (this is also my opinion and not fact) just be looking to monetize. she may have really cared about these animals and conservation at some point, but it’s now difficult for me to believe this is still what it’s all about. lastly, i do believe you don’t need a degree to participate in research and help out scientists, but you should be able to have the backing support of accredited individuals. this is extremely harmful to the scientific community, especially in times where there seems to be a growing mistrust based on willful ignorance and the spread of disinformation and misinformation. thank you again for all you do! 🦈💙

[@ghostwriter1415]

What does empirical mean? The empirical formula of propane is c3h8, but the molecular formula is ch3ch2ch3. Always remember the empirical formula has been reduced, and the detail is obscured to the forensic eye.

[@lavp365]

@@ghostwriter1415 in research terms, it means it has been observed and recorded and not supported by just hypothesizing or simply logical reasoning. basically, research-based evidence. an example would be assuming that a heavier object would fall faster than a lighter object without testing it. empirically would be dropping two items of different weights and observing them fall at the same rate.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thanks for sharing your views too!

[@lavp365]

@@SHARKBYTES love your videos!

[@turtlejeepjen314]

VERY interesting!!🙂

[@ShepherdsCreek]

Thank you so much for making this video! It's so important!! You're right, sharks are not monsters but are absolutely worthy of great respect because of what they are capable of. I love that there are less invasive ways of learning about sharks now (such as drone footage) but people need to get it through their heads that the absolute best thing for sharks is for people to leave them alone.

[@casarnp]

Prior to Haole Girls appearance a group of large Tiger Sharks were feeding on the carcass. If the White left then the Tigers, which are indigenous to the Hawaiian waters, would have returned to feed. However the “tourists” apparently prevented this feeding.

[@seanfoltz7645]

She's not willing to share her data because she's not actually collecting any. But yeah, respect rather than fear is the key to sharks and so many other things in life - understand that something is dangerous, but don't let fear consume you - simply use the necessary amount of common sense and caution when dealing with it.

[@Arutarres]

True

[@tourbillon13]

Which is what Ocean is trying to teach folk if it should happen to them...What do you or this guy whatever his name is recommend doing to stop a shark attacking you? I'm all eyes 👀

[@Alex-vq9vj]

​​​@@tourbillon13If you think you - or anyone - is able to "re-direct" a charging shark who actually decided to attack (rather than be mildly inquisitive, swimming between half a dozen or more divers) using Ramsey's re-directing method, you're a very naive moron. An attacking GWS you wouldn't even see: because they do hit-and-runs from below at great speed. If you were diving rather than swimming or surfing and happened to see the charging GWS by chance, it'll be at least twice your length and going to hurtle at you at ten times your maximum speed in the water. The Simon Nellist attack by a GWS captured on phone was both textbook in how it was executed by the shark (surprise attack with massive force from below, debilitating bite to mortally wound, let prey bleed out/die quickly, then safely return to feed on carcass) *and* very unusual (normally attacked humans aren't consumed, but "only" get the initial hit-and-run and die from that first bite or bloodloss or shock rather than due to being eaten) at the same time. Their attacks are geared towards minimum injury risk to themselves while pursuing very large, dangerous high-stakes prey (seals, sea lions and elephants have dangerous claws, teeth and mature males can be *as big and heavy as GWS themselves* , in addition to being quicker on the sprint and more manoevrable than GWS. Tiger sharks have a different attack strategy than GWS: with multiple bites to and the tearing off limbs. A tiger shark which has decided to attack for real will not be deterred by pushing its nose or head up or down, even if you were to manage to get over/under it once. Because *their* strategy is turning around and coming back multiple times. In that case, the best scenario is that you'll lose a limb and get rescued / pulled out of the water before you bleed out and the tiger finishes tearing you apart limb by limb while alive. See clips of them successfully hunting.

[@vhswan3833]

If a shark wants to attack you, no amount of you using your hand to gently redirect them is going to prevent that outcome. Ocean is desensitizing the sharks she regularly interacts with to being around her and Juan and other humans. She freaking NAMES the sharks-so you know it is the same individuals. I follow her and Juan on IG and the downright irresponsible things they do and then post like they are helping is the problem. I continually see them both interact in comments telling folks to come on and dive with OneOceanDiving. IT IS A BUSINESS and sharks are the ATTRACTIONS. Humans, sadly, are the “bait” but it’s working for Ocean and Juan. They appear to be making bank while propping the sharks up as pets with really big teeth. She calls one of the female tiger sharks “sweet” and gushes about her like that shark is a teddy bear. God help the unsuspecting swimmer who encounters that “sweet” tiger shark when it comes up for some affection and human interaction. Ocean and Juan are not in control-they are in business. Big difference. When a tragedy happens at OneOcean either to Ocean herself, Juan, their teammates, or the people who pay handsomely to go dive with the sharks, maybe some laws actually protecting the sharks from predatory tourist companies will get put on the books.

[@ChrisWolf75]

​@@tourbillon13powerhead or a wasp injector knife. Both work really well.

[@kristianhansen3404]

Finally. I have thinking about this for years. Awareness is great, but keep your distance and remember that dumb people will try to do the same. So please "influencers" follow the scientist. Great job Kristian. This video needs to go viral

[@raylopez99]

Bogus analogy akin to "what will the children do if they see this?". By that logic, the state should regulate all human activity if some idiot somewhere misinterprets what you do and gets hurt. Move to China if you like Big Brother than much.

[@rushslayer8647]

It’s not only dumb people, but because she’s doing this the sharks will want to “interact” with other people now,when they see them, I don’t want to be the next people they see, it takes their fear about us away. Just like with problem bears, and they see us as a food item, they’ll keep coming back, so those bears now have to be shot, because they keep coming back to find people.

[@Trogdor1365]

My kids and I were watching steve Irwin dive into water with a crocodile, and i said, "He is so crazy. That is dangerous. That crocodile is a much better swimmer than him and could kill him in a second if she wanted." And my daughter said, "but you can swim with sharks because you just have to push their nose." 😮 Apparently, she had watched some of this woman's videos with her dad. I said, "NO, you just don't swim with sharks."

[@The_Original_LBSwanson]

Totally agree with you about this, it's also an incident just waiting to happen when people decided that sharks are just like big ol sea puppies and try going out to get pictures like Ocean's. We need research to save the sharks and research funding, not crazy Instagram stunts used largely for what appears to be personal gain.

[@micravinxenos3047]

Thank you for sharing this I hope you don't get a lot of hate over this, the truth needs to be revealed & acknowledged. Although it doesn't help that people are uneducated & that they have a tendency to forgo entertaining the idea that one of their favorite influencers could be bringing harm to the animals they interact with.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Oh I’m sure I’ll get grief, but that comes with the territory of making videos. I’ll always punch upwards though and never down!

[@tiffanyeyoung1800]

It's another example of why I hate influencers. Their narcissistic arrogance is completely disgusting and ridiculous. Especially where animals are concerned. I am personally tired of people who think that it's okay to abuse and exploit animals in the name of clout. Then have the nerve to get upset when they get negative results.

[@Judgement_Kazzy]

I don't get why it's hard for some people to treat sharks the same way you'd treat any large, wild land animal. Admire it from a safe distance, do your best not to stress it out (both for its safety AND yours), and for the love of God, don't touch its food.

[@elosoguapo8137]

I don’t know, people are fairly dumb around land wildlife too. That said, I hear you, there is some weird energy around sharks. I think some of that is fear management. Sharks attacks are particularly scary, because of the helplessness or being in the water and the element or surprise. So people manage this fear by claiming sharks as non threatening and non violent. This is incredibly stupid as large predatory sharks have evolved to kill large prey. Deliberately putting oneself in their territory is asking for trouble.

[@Texas240]

Most large wild animals aren't killed in the hundred of millions per year without anyone caring because they're "bad" or "nuisance" animals that just make beaches dangerous. That last misconception, while sharks only kill less than 10 humans per year (a fraction of the humans killed by other humans with vehicles, about 30,000 vehicle related deaths per year in the US alone, for comparison). Meanwhile, humans are hunting sharks into extinction, fishing them at unsustainable rates up to 273 MILLION sharks per year. (according to "Sustainability" report by Porcher, Darvell) So, if nobody is talking about sharks, nobody is thinking about whether they ought to be fished into extinction. If people have the misconception that sharks are nuisance animals ought to eat humans and everything else, they aren't going to care about preventing them from being fished to extinction. You don't like Ocean Ramsey and other conservationists swimming with sharks? Get Asians to quit eating shark fin soup.

[@jinxtacy]

I think it's kind of weird because anytime you touch marine life, you're kind of touching its food. Best thing ever was to invest in a buoy for a safety from boats as well as not having the fish tied around your waist

[@johnnyboygriffin5764]

​@@Texas240we can cancel her. You can't cancel asian fisherman unless you want a nuclear holocaust

[@Texas240]

@@johnnyboygriffin5764 - why would you want to join the cancel culture cancer? Why would you want to cancel someone who's made saving sharks by dispelling misconceptions and educating people about sharks their life's work?

[@Rup869]

I was once scuba diving in Turkey, 5 minutes after being at the bottom I had this terrible dark feeling and really needed to get out of the water, a feeling of impending doom. I was taken back up to the boat and waited there until everyone else came back up. The following day we got word that a man was attacked by a shark/sharks and there wasn't much left of him at all. Sharks are most definitely not to put any trust in. One day these people who treat predators as though they're wee puppies will leave the earth doing so. Take care, love from Scotland ♥️

[@rkchoka7555]

Same feeling once in Miami, empty beach cloudy day, big waves , I didn't stay long in the water that day, better safe than sorry

[@noelbush6284]

Better off worrying about lochie I would think.

[@elizabethification771]

When and where in turkey was this exactly? I'm from turkey and try to keep myself updated on all shark related news on our shores and the last shark attack on record is from the 60s. We do have GWs and hammerheads but dont get many attacks around here. Are you sure people werent just messing with you?

[@brnb91]

As someone from Turkey, I have to say that the story of someone getting eaten sounds made up, to be honest. While there are potentially dangerous species here, including great whites, hammerheads, and even oceanic white tips according to some sources, encountering such species is extremely rare. There isn't any actual footage of them in the Turkish seas, except for a baby great white found in the Aegean Sea in 2011. Also as mentioned above, the last fatal shark attack on humans in Turkey occurred in 1967. So I think it's possible that someone was just messing with you guys with that story.

[@Texas240]

Less than 10 people die to sharks each year, only 5 in 2022. In the United States, 30,000 people die every year in car crashes because we can't be bothered to treat vehicles like the potentially dangerous things they are. Be more afraid of the people around you in cars than of whatever is lurking in the ocean.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

It's a scary tendency we have to try to humanize wild animals.

[@nicohusky]

Ocean Ramsay is playing a very dangerous game. Not just with her own life but with the lives of others who try and copy her because of who she is. What happens then? The shark will get demonized and possibly killed when ultimately it was being provoked and stressed. It's all about the money with her. Great video. I really enjoyed the content as always.

[@kelseybowen5362]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this comment my views exactly! Round of applause to you seriously!

[@mitchellvaldez9147]

Does a 16 foot great white really get stressed by a bunch of dopes swimming around it? Just look at the picture. He could literally swallow her whole. Annoyed? Perhaps. This is not a trembling little bunny that could fit in a teacup. Unless you're an adult orca coming for his liver, I doubt this guy is very stressed.

[@nicohusky]

@@mitchellvaldez9147 I take it you haven't seen the footage of the attack by an Oceanic White Tip who became stressed out by a bunch of divers swimming around it? Size does not equate to the ability to feel stressed. I appreciate your opinion though.

[@georgeednie7723]

@@mitchellvaldez9147 I mean I've seen videos of very large sharks being scared off by any number of things smaller than they are. "Does a 16 foot great white really get stressed by a bunch of dopes swimming around it?" Yes. Evidently. He explains that in the video.

[@anandmorris]

A 16 foot great white doesn't know it is a 16 foot great white. It exists, and hunts its food while protecting its territory and trying not getting killed in the process.

[@Spookeeskeletonman]

It’s kind of insane how much seemingly conservation-focused initiatives like this drown out actual conservation and progress towards helping the species. I wrote a portfolio essay for college very recently detailing my process learning just how much of the knowledge I knew about the problems facing sharks had very little to do with reality. That’s pretty crazy to me, because I spent my entire life growing up reading and watching as much pro-shark media as I could get my hands on, and yet it turned out most of the information I had regarding the conservation of the species either was a small sliver of a larger picture, or obscured the facts completely. It’s clear there’s a lot of love out there for sharks in our modern day, but it’s more important than ever to keep the community responsible like this and call it out when it’s doing more harm than good. Sorry for the wall of text, and great video as per usual!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts here!

[@that70sYogi]

I wonder how Ocean would feel if someone she was passing on the street face palmed her and spun her around...cause that is what she's doing to a creature she supposedly loves.

[@Inky1313Starlight]

Found you through reddit and I'm glad I did! I'm not in any kind of a science field so I don't know how relevant my comment is going to be, but honestly I'm not surprised that influencers and internet personalities trying to paint a picture of sharks as being "uwu sweet water puppies" has led to all of this: a lot of people don't know how to interact with or read dog behavior either. It's a lack of respect for animals all around, except that normally the animals they're interacting with are around twenty pounds and the behavior is "cute" instead of a sign that they're violating boundaries.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Hey Inky, really glad you've found Shark Bytes! You're right the whole "sea-puppies" thing is dangerous. There are of course sharks that are much less likely to bite than others, but even the supposed "sea puppy sharks" like nurse sharks still will bite and bite hard!

[@rottweilerfun9520]

One of those idiots tried to hug my male Rottweiler who he did not know and had no permission to touch. He got some holes through his arm for being an idiot. An animal must be respected for what it is and what it is not. Even the sweetest Rottweiler is not a Golden Retriever .

[@georgeednie7723]

@@rottweilerfun9520 Assuming one animal is exactly like another animal or that you have some ''special'' connection to an animal just because you're you is really the essence of disrespect towards animals in general. It sends the message of like "I don't care enough to learn about you as an individual because I'm special" which is many things but one thing it is NOT is being truly loving towards animals.

[@adamhickey396]

Remember that old TV adage? Don't try this at home... One day, and I fear sooner rather than later, one of these "influencers" is going to wind up realising that their shallow quest for views by engaging in dangerous activities such as this was not worth it. Then again, even when it does happen, the other influences won't batter an eyelid... Also completely agree with you on the middle ground argument, and that is why I am such a supporter of your work. For too long, I feel the pendulum had swung too far from Man-eaters to Harmless Predators when it really should be misunderstood, but on both ends of the spectrum. Years ago, sharks were misunderstood for being mindless eating machines, but nowadays they are misunderstood by a growing majority for being harmless animals that would never attack humans due to mistaken identity etc. In my eyes, a shark is an animal and an animal will do whatever it does to survive the following day. Whether that means it eating your best friend matters not to them. Sure, if a shark saw a seal in the water, it would hunt it, but if the same shark saw a human alone swimming, it is not likely going to pass up the opportunity. Of course, we are not the same quality as a seal, but we are still viable food. After all, I'd never touch a Pot Noodle if there was something better in the cupboard, but if I wanted something quick and easy, I'd not give it a second thought. I do believe, when it comes to shark attacks, that people need to stop believing that human beings are "exempt from attack" because we are human. I've mentioned this so many times before in the past that I sound like a broken record now, but I feel there is a certain egotism in humanity that makes up feel superior to animals regarding animal attacks, as if humans were not a part of the food chain because we perceive ourselves as the apex predator. Great video Kris, as always! Got me thinking and commenting anyway 😂 Hopefully one day you and Hal do get to do a collaboration. I'd love to see you two picking each other's brains on this type of debate. I"d easily watch an hour long debate/q and a between you two!

[@adamhickey396]

Addendum - your paper on Shark entanglement sounds fascinating! Are you still working on the research now? That is most definitely something which I feel is very important to get more data on and to pursue! A very noble cause! Kudos to you Kris!

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@adamhickey396 Hi Adam, I do have a masters student who is progressing the entanglement research with me at the moment, so that is still to come. Although I’d definitely go check out the first paper I wrote on it from 2019 - you’d probably enjoy the read 😊

[@RiverWoods111]

My thoughts are she doesn't have the credentials she says she has, and if she starts to collaborate she might get found out. There is no other reason she is clearly avoiding you.

[@feliscorax]

Yes. It’s all lies. Probably the only true word on that web page is “model”.

[@aquakirby5198]

Not surprised by any of this. She's been discussed as being most likely a fake marine biologist for a while now. I hope this video blows up because so many news channels and large TV networks have her come on as an "expert" which is just disheartening when there are REAL scientists who have worked hard for conservation and deserve to be speaking on these subjects. Edit: So with some digging I was able to find other scientist who say that their thesis or some of their papers also do not appear on Google scholars. One of which was Steve Backshall who said he saw her working in 2013 along side Dr Mayrizio Hoyas. He commented recently and while I know nothing of their scientist brought up some good points. I was able to find one paper with her name on it published in 2021. Along with this the names of her possible University's which are bachelor's and masters im ethology at the San Diego State University. I don't know if this translate to marine biology though. I am adding this edit as I am finding more information since I appear as the first top comment. Kristian I think a follow up video discussing some of this new information might be needed or at least an explanation comment pinned here.

[@blueai5022]

What bothers me is that news channels here in Hawaii are completely passing over the actual scientists and experts with verifiable degrees here and platforming Ocean because she's a *pretty blonde girl* with an internet following. Can the news ever do their due diligence and site real scientists, for once?

[@SHARKBYTES]

Always gotta choose the real shark scientists for those appearances, particularly ones working in their specific fields! There’s lots of us to choose from as well

[@aquakirby5198]

@@SHARKBYTES Exaclty!

[@Tom-qp6oh]

@@SHARKBYTES But do you guys look as good as her in a bathing suit? A pretty girl talking about sharks will always get more views than any accredited scientist. Great channel by the way!!!!!

[@Tom-qp6oh]

"fake marine biologist"....She's just a self taught marine biologist. You don't have to have a degree to study in nature and then share what you've seen.

[@AUScorpion]

Ocean Ramsey is a brand, not an active marine biologist. She's the marine biology equivalent of a particularly loathed version of twitch streamer. She gloms onto a cause, looks good for the camera, sucks the oxygen out of the room, and sells merch while doing nothing new and actually contributing jack all.

[@SHARKBYTES]

The amount of merch on her website, and other associated products is wild

[@stephenmarshall8367]

Look she's going to be lunch 1 day..patience..

[@AUScorpion]

@@stephenmarshall8367 That would be terrible. We don't need more Timothy Treadwell type incidents.

[@stephenmarshall8367]

@@AUScorpion you go into the ocean..your in the hands of the creatures that live there..if you swim with great whites eventually they will get curious...and then its over....

[@mydog3627]

Still would though. There's the issue 😂

[@nathanjones1008]

Timothy Treadwell,springs to mind..that guy and his girlfriend suffered a terrible end doing exactly this kind of thing.

[@ZebaKnight]

I thought of Steve Irwin, possibly unfairly. I disliked Irwin's style, but he might have done more good than harm. It's hard to know where the line is between engaging people who will never go out into the natural world so that they support efforts to preserve it, and exploiting animals for money and fame.

[@SHARKBYTES]

I actually hadn’t heard of Treadwell before this video, but a few people have commented the name - so I’m going to have to look into it

[@nathanjones1008]

@@SHARKBYTES I think the guy was eccentric to say the least but should have left his partner well away from what he was doing.

[@cliffcampbell8827]

Was Timmy and his girlfriend the ones who were eaten by grizzly bears? I seem to remember something about a couple who were "studying" the beard and we're attacked in their tent...and a recording of their last moments or something like that.

[@nathanjones1008]

@@cliffcampbell8827 yeah that's them,Warner Herzog made a documentary about him called Grizzly Man.

[@easy_nator_gamer8498]

After watching the Malibu Artist drone footage it's pretty clear these animals are constantly stalking and watching us when we're in the water. It's taking a real risk to get in there and actively dive/swim with them, just not safe.

[@Duderino27]

lol... a way to see his video in a new light.... What I see in his video ia that these creatures are 99.9999% of the time peaceful and not blood thirsty.

[@easy_nator_gamer8498]

@@Duderino27 No that kind of thinking will get you killed. They are not gentle and peaceful at all, they are actually Killing machines that constantly watch us. Yes more often than not they do not attack us but they are considering it. They aren't watching us for entertainment bro, they're legit wondering if we taste good. Everyone should have a healthy fear and respect for these creatures instead of labeling them as harmless and peaceful.

[@Duderino27]

@@easy_nator_gamer8498 lol... as I said, watch TheMalibuArtist for REAL white shark behaviours... where they are actually the peaceful one, even when human are trying their best to get bitten... I was raised like you by Jaws and fearmongering people like you... but instead of being scared, I learned more about these great animals and like all predators, they have period of rest and calm which last most of daylight... in years of watching white sharks on the west coast, TheMalibuArtist NEVER experienced an attack... even when it was the human at fault (fish kayaking and letting his catchs alive and abused on the side of their kayack)... Stop the fearmongering paranoia... sure the sea is not safe, but like all wild place, you have to be careful of your surrounding and your safety. YOU are on their territory... Since TheMalibuArtist, a lot of US surfers learnt to live and have fun even when 3-4 meters WS in close proximity.

[@ddraigmafon4725]

I love his videos, informative and compelling without disturbing the animals.

[@pedrolantyer]

I can't stand these people. Yes some people are actually marine biologist so they do have some understanding on how sharks actually behave, but that's exactly what makes it even worse! They know that Tiger Sharks are ambush predators, they know they may either not see it coming, or not be able to react in time, and yet they keep insisting on this! I don't care if you are doing this because you want views, or if you are actively doing it for research and just decided to start posting it. Leave these animals alone! They don't invade your home so don't invade their habitat.

[@Dagmar_R]

I just learned from you on the YT channel of Robert Marc Lehmann. I love your statements and agree with you. Keep up the good work!

[@JoeyOutlaw]

The fact that she is absolutely gorgeous has nothing to do with her fame either 🤨 Thats another reason people lets her slide on a lot of things that are considered unacceptable to actual scientists and biologists

[@luxbrumalis823]

This!!

[@spiralrose]

She’s white, thin,, blonde with big boobs. When you have that going on, you can be straight-up BUSTED facially and folks will still call you attractive. No one will look close enough to see if you’re actually attractive or not.

[@frizzyhairedfool6186]

Yep, beauty priviledge is a thing and people only care about what you look like. If you don't "measure up" to what society deems attractive, no-one will give you the time of day.

[@rottweilerfun9520]

That's how I got all twenty two of my subscribers. I'm so hawt !

[@CoolaJokern]

Am I the only one who think she looks average at best? Could be because I'm from Sweden famous for beautiful blondes. Here she's a 7 at best

[@vikkipink1288]

I’m so glad you made this video. I don’t know a ton about sharks but I have seen enough exploitation of wild animals on this platform to spot red flags and alarm bells started going immediately as I was scrolling through her page. A good rule of thumb is pay extra close attention to anyone directly handling wildlife, never speaking on potential harm or danger to their activities, and any potential profit motives that might be at play. I learned so much about the lengths people are willing to go to exploit exotic animals for profit when I fell down the monkey rabbit hole. It has fundamentally changed the way I approach animal content online. To any lovers who wish to learn more about the exploitation of primates on social media I highly recommend the channels monkey sentinel, exploited monkey, and yardfish. I am glad I found this video from the comment section of one of those shark diving videos so now I can direct others to this video as well. This is the kind of awareness we need more of with more and more people looking for any way they can to make money on social media no matter the harm it causes. Well done and keep up the good work 👏🏻👏🏻

[@leahvatson6379]

You do sound salty but I have every right to be salty!! I don’t know much about sharks and when I saw her pictures I thought it was “cool” and amazing. So thank you so much for bringing a professional opinion and opening my eyes to what she’s really doing. Great video, clear and easy to understand explanations and amazing accent 😉 keep doing the great work!!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Cheers Leah! Thanks for your support, and hope you continue to enjoy the channel 😁

[@Tom-nc5qv]

I think the fact that she never replied to you especially considering your extensive knowledge and credentials on Sharks and the amount of followers and subscribers you have says a hell of a lot about her to be honest. If she actually cared about Sharks as much as she says she does she would want to be involved in as much as possible. I don't really like to talk bad about anyone but it definitely seems like her "Brand" comes first. Influencers and people in general need to stop getting so close and touching wildlife.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Admittedly I didn’t have the shark bytes subscribers back then as I did now, but the point still stands!

[@lexiandnova9049]

Think also it’s crazy how much money she has. You would think she would go school and actually get her doctorate in marine biology but instead doesn’t? If I had shit ton of money I would just go to school and get my doctorate to know more! Also that money she has could be used in a good research laboratory to help. Just proves to you money changes the way people think on things

[@gladitsnotme]

Why should she engage with a man who accused her of lying about her degrees, her name, and motives? Why would she help him grow his channel when he blames her following for harming sharks by being irresponsible tourists? Why would she chat with someone who is seeking to harm her career?

[@Tom-nc5qv]

@@gladitsnotme because she has lied about her degress , she realistically is more detrimental to shark conservation than not. She's chassed sharks off a valuable whale carcus for views, she gets ridiculously to close and touches these animals which is so unnecessary it's not even funny not to mention the stress this causes for the animal. The only thing that matters more to her than her image is her brand and that's all. The only thing she cares about despite all of her pandering is getting herself in a picture with an Apex predator she doesn't actually do anything really for the conservation of these magnificent animals just poses for a pretty pictures so she continues to get followers. Social Media Influences Are not marine biologists and do not have the right to do what she does to these animals Period these animals deserve nothing more than our utmost respect and she does not give it to them.

[@scottieeasley4907]

Damn right

[@LongDongJohnson0705]

She also acts and literally says the techniques she use will keep people safe if they use them snd thsts just simply not true...if a hungry/interested shark swims directly at you lightly shoving it's nose most likely isn't going to save you

[@feliscorax]

Yeah… she’s bloody dangerous. One of these days, she’s going to get herself killed or someone else through sheer hubris.

[@ZebaKnight]

Yes, this kind of thing is crazy-making, even for non-marine biologists. The "influencers" like Ocean Ramsey must be really hard to bear for those who truly are trying to protect marine life and their ecosystems and habitats. Add in tour guides who chum the seas to attract sharks so their clients can film them, and those who go down in cages to... what...? See what happens? _Ugh_ . Thanks for this informative, maddening video.

[@SHARKBYTES]

You’re welcome for the video, thanks for commenting!

[@Adam-kf6lr]

@@SHARKBYTES Sour Grapes and Black Socks

[@FlashDAH]

"The knowledge we have about entagled sharks and ocean debris, literally comes from the paper i wrote" Im sending you a respect filled fist bump via this comment. Extremely impressive work you should be so proud ! Sad to say i'd never heard of you before today, the only other person I watch, shark focused is TheMalibuArtist with his drone footage of harmless shark encounters.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thanks for your support David!

[@Shiny-Beast]

I'm sure many if not all of your points are worth making, but ironically I'm only watching this video because of her videos. Traumatized by Jaws at a young age I have been compelled to educate myself on the true nature of these animals. I think I understand the criticisms aimed at her but there's no denying the impact she has had on shark awareness.

[@ChristinaKorf]

Great video, thank you for your work and for raising awareness AND for taking action. Love from Germany

[@CS-xq4yn]

Lots of greetings from Germany! Love you Video💙🦈💙

[@neeltjekayser9883]

Thank you for sharing this Kristian. I understand your frustration, the way you expressed yourself is really well done. Keep up the good work, I love your video's !

[@uziaoki3532]

YESS, More people need to be aware of this. People are so gullible now to influencers. At first when I saw her videos, I admit I thought she is doing good work, but then considering her qualifications are shady and the fact she doesn't want to share vital information that could save sharks, it makes me question everything.

[@I_Am_SciCurious]

This dude clearly feels rejected. She doesn’t owe him anything despite what he believes he’s entitled to - namely her attention. He has no idea who she shares her data with and the idea that just because she’s ignoring a salty, entitled dude means she ignores everyone is not based in reality.

[@uziaoki3532]

@@I_Am_SciCurious if she shares her data, everyone should be able to have access to it. There should be no bias on how scientific data is shared especially if it’s for the common purpose of saving sharks. Egos shouldn’t be involved, that’s just my opinion especially if sharks are the priority. You also didn’t mention about her qualifications. Do you have access? As professional influencer doing this kind of work, it should be public information that he/she is qualified to do what they do and give advice otherwise they are considered shady. That applies to everyone in general not only this girl.

[@travismailsa1]

What an idiotic comment@@I_Am_SciCurious

[@chilltarts]

@@I_Am_SciCurious lol. What did she do, send some of her simps out to defend her?? All she would need to do is publish an actual paper ANYWHERE, with or without collaboration, showing her data and conclusions. Something tells me she can’t do that, though, or she would have by now.

[@Badficwriter]

@@I_Am_SciCurious Why would she not post her data publicly? The only reason to hold back on it is because she wants credit (fair) but then why not share with the same scientist she name-dropped? Maybe because she is hoping someone more famous asks.

[@ShaikuraJarfaru]

Thank you for this. People are so caught up in her looks that they can't see her BS.

[@raylopez99]

No BS. And don't judge a book by it's cover. She's done more than you ever will for marine biology awareness. I even Googled where I can send her money (no luck).

[@bobjames1521]

​@@raylopez99give it a couple years and you'll probably be able to send her money via onlyfans😂

[@Ken_Mags]

​@@raylopez99send it to me instead 🤪✌️

[@starwilde4252]

@@raylopez99merch for sale

[@raylopez99]

@@moon-moth1 Nah. She's doing a lot more than some crusty old scientist who is tagging wildlife, which is old school. A lot more, by raising awareness (and raising other body parts for certain people).

[@tinaperez7393]

KRISTIAN / SHARK BYTES / ALL: Ocean Ramsey's videos are also mostly IN SLOW MOTION!!! Giving the highly deceptive illusion & impression that one can expect interactions with sharks to be reasonable, logical and calm, and give you plenty of time to slowly, gracefully, rhythmically and gently maneuver and "redirect" the shark if / when necessary. THAT can't be a good impression to create. I (sort of) appreciate a few things I've learned from watching their videos on what to do and not do in the water, but it's still not okay a lot of what they're doing.

[@canterburytail2294]

It is just a simple fact that others, be it people or mice or larger beasts, get stressed when you get in their face and vice versa. One doesn't need a degree to see that she is a pest to sharks but if one does have a degree one can explain why it's bad much better than I can. Thanks for publishing this video, great work!

[@SHARKBYTES]

Thanks so much for watching and for sharing your thoughts!

[@tonysburgers7223]

One may be right with ones assessment

[@chiccavaquita]

I thought you said larger breasts 😂

[@canterburytail2294]

@@chiccavaquita Now that's something about which I can speak with authority.😘

[@becominghero9754]

@@tonysburgers7223 Underrated humorous comment

[@ruthiespotion]

Thank you for offering another side. Citing work is a majorly effective way to make a point. Btw, wow. That photo of the seahorse got me.💗

[@logandelacruz2152]

You know what would be neat? An animated film about a person who actually respects sharks, keeping eye contact with them when they approach, maintaining distance, especially if the shark displays warning signs (arched back, lowered fins, etc.), and most importantly, not touching the sharks.

[@SHARKBYTES]

I’d love this, wish I knew some animators!

[@travisrygg3317]

@@SHARKBYTES How about mythology? Hawaiian mythology to be specific. I wish there was an adaptation of the shark god Kamohoali'I that guides boats back to islands. . .or a story of a shark god that's losing respect with humanity; not just because of pollution and overfishing, but because of media demonizing his brethren. The bottom line would be that predatory animals are not things to be killed off because of people's disinformation and phobias; but that new generations would become more miserable without the balance. I would extend that premise to every animals portrayed as "killers" in media; without sugarcoating.

[@melissalichlyter9582]

There’s got to be a Wild Kratz episode about sharks. They do a great job of explaining animals.

[@aquanauta_diver]

Me 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@aquanauta_diver Are you an animator?

[@canadiancoral1992]

I gotta say, I disagreed with you in the other video when you mentioned her. I clicked on this one interested in hearing your reasoning but thinking I would disagree with you. THEN you brought up her lack of verifiable qualifications. And let's just take that out of it for a second, that Instagram post! You didn't say it but I paused to read it. The way she was presenting YOUR research was as if she was a part of it. A BIG part of it. She didn't say that but that was 100% the intention of the way she worded it. I HATED that she touched sharks but I liked that I could show her videos to people afraid of sharks so they could see a gentle side of sharks BUT nope. Not anymore. Unfortunately, I no longer trust her intentions. Thank you for proving me wrong. I can't wait to show this video to my dive buddy .

[@lavp365]

love this and i also have mistrust towards her now! as long as evidence is presented and i’m able to interpret it on my own, i’m always willing to listen and engage. i refuse to be willfully ignorant.

[@SHARKBYTES]

Takes real humility to acknowledge your opinion has changed, so I respect you massively for that!!

[@nicolaichristensen4207]

I like Ocean Ramsey because she is not putting anyone down ever. Not trying to get views from putting anyone else down. She is just focused on her own work. For shore non of the sharks she is swimming with will ever attack a human.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

You summarize the central difference between a *researcher* and an *influencer* at the end of the video. Ramsey wants to draw attention to herself, her books, and merchandise and influence opinion based on her actions. You're a researcher who wants to draw attention to the subject of the matter. The fact they never responded to your request to do a peer review study shows just how much they're not interested in working together because there's no revenue.

[@corndogvonassen6457]

Im glad you made a video about this, I’ve always had a weird feeling about these kinds influencers. I love sharks, and I hate it when people imply the idea that sharks are “big cuddly dogs”. That may not be her message, but I’ve seen many other people take it that way.

[@Texas240]

Ocean's own words on the matter from an interview 4 years ago, "They are such efficient apex predators. Trust me. If they wanted eat you, they could. A lot of people don't give them credit for that." She said that while pointing out that most times sharks encounter humans, they DON'T eat us. Keep in mind that most human and shark encounters go completely unnoticed by the humans swimming, surfing, etc near the ocean beach. That's what she's doing by showing non lethal interaction with them. Showing that sharks aren't just eating everything nearby, which is something a surprising number of people think. Nobody is going care about preventing a man-eating nuisance animal from going extinct because the Chinese want to eat mercury laden shark fins. Ocean is actually pushing the same line as this channel, that sharks aren't the "man eaters in need of being destroyed" they've been portrayed as and which many people still think. But, that they are also strong, wild animals at the top of the marine food chain that should be respected. Even if "influencers" and "shark profiteers" leave the sharks alone, the industrial shark fishing industry won't. Is it better if people learn about and talk about sharks while they're still around or after they're extinct?

[@TheDENTAGE]

The attack on that Russian guy in the Red Sea impacts me more than what Ocean Ramsey does.

[@solsticebaby]

That was horrifying

[@jollykimjongun9700]

Shark Bytes… The type of wild life influence we need… But didn’t deserve… Keep up the great work bro!

[@SHARKBYTES]

@@jollykimjongun9700 thank you!!

[@KrazyKoto]

Ocean Ramsey's video with her swimming alongside an enormous Great White was stunning to me. In fact, back when I first saw it, I always thought Great Whites themselves would never pass up an opportunity to prey on a mammal, even if they were full, I thought they would be too territorial. It was a risky shot, but I still find that video to be insanely beautiful. I am not deluded into thinking Sharks are puppies of the sea or anything... But the information you bring up about the repercussions of that video, the fact sharks fled the area because of tourists is very depressing. It would have been more convenient if she uploaded that video *after* the sharks had finished the carcass. I do see the harm though in others attempting to mirror this stunt. I just wanted to say that her video did alter my perspective of Great Whites and I felt like it impacted me positively. I don't condone emulating that behavior nor am I pleased with her lack of action with actually helping shark conservation by collaborating with scientists. It's deflating that she has info to contribute that could help these animals and she hasn't done anything about it.

[@SHARKBYTES]

100% you make a great point about delaying the video release. It would have made a huge difference. Although she couldn’t resist posting it immediately and once again didn’t think of the consequences of her actions 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ziggybender9125]

@@SHARKBYTES That's most likely because of a monetary based decision. If another diver gets similar footage the following day and posts it first then they go viral instead of her, so she worked double time getting it edited and posted. She might be one of the most shark friendly people in the ocean but you're right that it really means nothing for the further understanding and research of sharks.

[@valerieunsworth4038]

I totally agree. Sharks are wild animals, not our playthings.

[@SHARKBYTES]

A good few more people need to understand this for sure!

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@SHARKBYTESI also think it’s important to keep in mind that animals whose biological ancestors are very distant from our own don’t think & feel the way we do, particularly when they’re hardwired to operate in very different ecosystem. Building a sympatico with your dog or cat is one thing. We’ve got a fair bit in common & have spent a goodly amount of time evolving interspecific relationships between our species. Sharks are very, very different from Homo sapiens. Their intelligence is as alien to ours as ours is to theirs. Studying their behavior so we can coexist better is one thing. Anthropomorphizing their behavior is something else, something pretty unhealthy & potentially dangerous.

[@thomasembleton1467]

Nature's been trying to teach us this forever! Still remember the story of that German woman who tried to rearrange some wild lion cubs... Must have been an interesting conversation to have with the park rangers.

[@ccburro1]

I agree that she needs to be more in the “middle ground”. She says it’s important to “respect” sharks but doesn’t really point blank define what that means. And given all the other stuff she says/shows, there are going to be idiots who may not realize the importance of maintaining a healthy (though more educated) fear of sharks. Yes, they are crucially important to our ecosystem. Yes, they are sentient, intelligent creatures who are not “out to get us”, creatures who aren’t by their nature “human-eaters”.

[@jessrose918]

Just unfollowed Ocean Ramsey... You're so right! I've always thought it was really dangerous what she's doing and wondered how she could do it for so long without incident... She's definitely clever in terms of knowing when the right time is to swim with sharks if they're full etc but agreed, it's sending out a terrible message... 😮