CinemaSins is Still Wrong About Everything

Spoilers for all the movies ever.
Any mistakes I made were satirizing, um, something. I can never be wrong accidentally.
CinemaSins channel: / cinemasins
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[@vespertine1149]

cinemasins is going to burst in on my grandmother's funeral and mock us for adhering to the 'being sad at a funeral' cliche

[@hamzapetridis206]

The worst of this comment is that I’ve read the quote part with his voice and speed without even thinking.

[@MyScorpion42]

This reminds of a tumblr post about the "death trope". As in, the trope of people dying in media.

[@christiansantamaria7233]

Exactly like that man points out the obvious and makes it sound like its something bad he’s mad werid foreal

[@CarsonRH]

It's a satire of a funeral.

[@IAmAnItalianPizza]

Unrelated but related: i'm having a Light wedding, well by that i mean when i have a funeral i want people to remember all the stuff i've done and wesr light to represent my soul passing on, not to make themselves sadder by having a depressing

[@FuzzyTrekkie]

Cinema Sins reminds me of when I watch movies with my mom. She says that she "doesn't pay attention to the boring dialogue" then complains that the movie doesn't make sense.

[@kayleebowens]

You see, my mom has the opposite habit. She picks up on the film's implications. When we came out of Prisoners, 7 years ago, she immediately picked up on the drunk priest who tortured the man in his basement being in the right because he was heavily implied to be the husband of the kidnapper. She is such a brilliant woman and I love her.

[@BlackBirdSweep]

@@kayleebowens trade moms with me mine is worse

[@XescoPicas]

My mother always ( and I mean *always* ) falls asleep during the movie, misses over half of if, and when it’s over goes, “We should watch it again some other day, I didn’t see what happened”. Then we watch it again some other day... and she falls asleep again.

[@kaisarfaust5625]

@@XescoPicas my Mum does this too - but it might be she enjoyed seeing you interested and engaged with something - and has a way of doing that without being weird about (beyond the regular parent level of weird)

[@XescoPicas]

@KaisarFaust You’re right, she probably enjoys it just by being with me or my sister.

[@ThatGuyLuxinor69420]

Cinemasins are the kind of people to skip a tutorial in a video game and then complain that the game doesn't tell them how to do things

[@daraghokane4236]

Thins thing was never explained, Exposition who cares.

[@broncos435]

arin hanson gang

[@flamingdog9207]

And also complain when it explains something

[@eibun2011]

@@flamingdog9207 looks like they're just bunch of complainers

[@shadow1395100]

they also seem to be the type of person to get mad if there's a hint pop up

[@emoryclaire1477]

I'm an American, specifically a New Yorker, and I can say that EVERY TRAIN I'VE EVER BEEN ON has seats that face "backwards". They actually face both ways because trains TRAVEL both ways.

[@Connanro]

From Chicago here - the Metra line has sliding seat backs so you can change which direction you're facing at any given time, which is especially nice if you want to sit facing your travel companions.

[@Connanro]

From Chicago here - the Metra line has sliding seat backs so you can change which direction you're facing at any given time, which is especially nice if you want to sit facing your travel companions.

[@ianherron5767]

Former NorCal resident here - our light rail has backwards seats too

[@fogtheghost]

oregonian speaking, the tram in portland has seats facing four different directions.

[@jessdavis2677]

To add on this train train, the Light Link (our subway) also has backward seats. One ding for Seattle, apparently

[@mattwong5403]

CinemaSins: "Iron Man's nanotech suit is unrealistic" According to Jeremy, in a universe with Norse Gods and magic Infinity Stones, the one unrealistic thing is nanotech

[@bloodycoffee9293]

@Diss Raps That's not true either because they are gods AND aliens. That's pretty clear in the movies.

[@wrecksseesall4354]

@@bloodycoffee9293 Right?? and they spend SO much time on it too explaining that they are seen as the gods of norse mythology, even going over their life span, enhanced strength its like people can't focus for over 30 seconds, sigh

[@Callimo]

lol right? Even though we're actually developing nanotechnology in RL while no one had provided sufficient proof of Norse gods xD

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

I mean, it is unrealistic, but it's also a superhero movie and I am pretty sure it comes directly from the comics.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@lyndsaybrown8471 i think he'd rather have Iron man look like Shaquille O'Neal from the steel.

[@engelstraene3]

I mean, even if CinemaSins was just satire, that would be the most joyless and sad satire I've ever seen.

[@revimfadli4666]

Speaks a lot about how sad the thing that was satirized in the first place was

[@AverageAlien]

The fact that their channel gets millions of views and usually has an approval rating of around 95% suggests that your opinion is absolutely worthless and everyone disagrees with you and your army of losers

[@AverageAlien]

@@raptorxrise5386 Notice how nothing changed after you typed that and everything I said before still remains true?

[@raptorxrise5386]

@@AverageAlien The reason i typed that is so hopefully someone that is confused on the matter doesnt listen to the complete nonsense you are spitting out. :)

[@AverageAlien]

@@raptorxrise5386 And still nobody cares

[@atmoranskies]

when cinema sins wakes up and does the "waking up in bed" cliche

[@gemstonegynoid7475]

The "breathing air" cliche

[@Bacony_Cakes]

the "using enzymes to break down food into smaller molecules" cliche

[@tedbaloogafakename3659]

The "being obnoxious" cliche, created and maintained solely by cinemasins itself

[@stefannydvorak7919]

When Cinema Sins breaks his leg and uses the ambulance deus ex-machina.

[@Bacony_Cakes]

​@Colin Cleveland Boomer, please get out of the internet. You are doing it so wrong the ghosts of several navvies are facepalming.

[@inocuousaltaccount3103]

Hey, Shaun. I used to be a fan of CinemaSins, and I just thought you might like to know that you're right about his writing process. He made a video on his personal channel explaining it. He sits down at his computer with a bottle of wine and a microphone, watches the film, pauses whenever he sees a "sin" and records it right there while watching it. He does all of the editing and recording effort for his videos while watching the movie. So, yeah. It's about as lazy as possible.

[@Andystuff800]

Damn, that's worse than I expected.

[@The_Jazziest_Coffee]

that is legitimately pathetic like goddamn it's beyond lazy

[@GoneFishingAmalgam]

Could be lazier. Give it a few years and they’ll stop bothering to even watch the movies while writing their “scripts”

[@nikolairostov3326]

@@GoneFishingAmalgam like video game reviewers.

[@emilygordbort7300]

hajaha beautififl

[@mr.arthurheath4596]

Ah yes CinemaSins adheres to the ancient and admirable youtube style of satire: being consistently wrong in an annoying voice.

[@BollocksUtwat]

Don't forget smugness. Apparently being smug and wrong is satire.

[@hay9678]

It's satire in the same way that Pepe the Frog is "ironic."

[@CaptainSveid]

I just made 2 videos Sinning CinemaSins a few days ago, check it out if interested!

[@dmitritobias]

dont mind if i do

[@ehmiguel7602]

bad99 pepe the frog has a rich history though. Don't disrespect.

[@laurenlizzbeth]

Man cinemasins sure does criticize movies for holding the audience’s hand a whole lot for someone who so consistently seems to need it

[@archkull]

Hahaha brutal and extremely true

[@EvonneLindiwe]

Ethered 🤣

[@jamesgibbs3668]

Haha lol yeah

[@refoliation]

It’s my favorite form of snarky snipe that’s born out of insecurity. “If I understand a cryptic or subtextual element of a film then for that reason the element is necessarily laughably obvious.”

[@cosmo_junk]

​@@refoliationwhich is so funny bc by doing that, they're undermining their own ability to analyze stories. like "oh, i'm a stupid baby, so if i understood this, then it was probably made for stupid babies as well". what a sad way to look at art

[@terraformthesun2896]

I don’t understand their defense “it’s just satire”. Okay...what are you satirizing? Narcissistic first year film students who think they’re an authority in film criticism?

[@rouge5140]

That's pretty much what they are satiring. It being obvious is a pretty good thing wouldn't you think?

[@Arkain89]

@@rouge5140 well no. it's just a lazy excuse the common pleb can repeat over and over again without thinking about it, just like the "taken out of context". cinemasins is just grinding money by throwing shit at the wall, and they are far smugger than any "film student" could ever be. I cringe so powerfully when I'm reminded that Jeremy considers himself to be a "movie fan", despite doing such a disservice to movies for a living.

[@derekscanlan4641]

i sill think theyre funny

[@starvalkyrie]

@@Arkain89 So what's your take on Sony and Dreamworks 'respect' to the movie industry for the billions of dollars they make off of it.

[@Arkain89]

@@starvalkyrie How is that even related ? Whatever point you want to make about cinema as an industry, CinemaSins doesn't care about it and say nothing on that matter. Isn't one of their numerous, contradictory, half-assed defense lines "we're not critics" anyway ? Not to mention the kind of cinema they "review" most of the time is the "crowd entertaining type", which is the kind of movies Sony is known to make. Glad to see the only way to defend these morons is by switching subjects. First it's an "obvious satire of the film student type", now it's a poignant and thoughtful critic of unchallenging films ?

[@supereldinho]

On Urban Dictionary, there's this term called "Schrodinger's Asshole" that goes like this: "A person that decides whether or not they're full of shit by the reactions of those around them." That's Cinemasins for you: when they're right, they're right -- but when they're wrong, it's all just satire...except well-written satire is often times self-evident and doesn't requires explanation.

[@prohikikomo]

It's actually Schrodinger's Douchebag, but yeah that's cinemasins lmao Actually, a lot of the idiots Shaun discusses can be in this category.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

Yep. I know the type very well. They say something super offensive or disgusting, and then decide whether or not they’re joking depending on your reaction. I have an aunt and uncle like this 🙄

[@ericisprobablyfullofshit7797]

Honest Trailers and Pitch Meetings are good examples of satirical film criticism done right. And they're actually funny.

[@HellspawnAirsoft]

I like the term

[@jordynensor2081]

oh god my dad does this

[@MangoJuiceTwinkie]

CinemaSin's 'bulletproof vest' comment had me fucking lol-ing. It's like thinking bear repelllant spray would keep away mosquitoes because 'bear is more powerful than mosquito' XD

[@abigailpulliam6996]

Let's just hope he realizes that the bear spray goes on the bear, not on the human

[@RyanTosh]

Car crashes are way deadlier than snake bites. It's so unrealistic that you could die from rattlesnake venom while wearing a seatbelt.

[@SaltonGreen]

The fact that the sequel to now you see me was not called now you don't makes me irrationally irritated

[@steamtasticvagabond474]

But why wouldn’t bear spray work on mosquitoes? It clearly works on people so it’s not just some bear-only spray

[@teathesilkwing7616]

@@steamtasticvagabond474well for one I’m pretty sure that the main ingredient of bear spray, capsaicin, has no effect on insects. Capsaicin only really effects mammals

[@voidsaverob]

By the way, urine actually does have DNA in it. It's a poor source of DNA, because it's in relatively low concentration, but it has both white blood cells and epithelial cells (that come off the urethra and probably some from the inside of the bladder sometimes). This means you can get human DNA from it. Urine also typically contains a relatively large amount of microbes, most of which have DNA. Bacteria and viruses from the urethra, etc. Source: am microbiologist. So that was a fun biology fact for you

[@DavidWest2]

Was about to say the same thing… there’s also possible blood in the urine which is common in many kidney disorders. in this case cinemasins is technically correct but my guess is they figured urine was like blood and just loaded with dna.

[@WayanMajere]

I am a police officer and I would only try to use a urine sample to test for DNA if I were to solve a homicide. Maybe some super costly political crime or a robbery - because while you are of course correct, the "poor source" is kind of the important thing when you investigate a crime.

[@voidsaverob]

@@WayanMajere it's not necessarily important whether it's a good source as long as you can amplify the dna out of it. the biggest barrier to testing urine for dna is probably just that it evaporated or the cells/dna in there degraded, cos obviously it's a bit easier to degrade in liquid than solid form and the cells will not survive well in urine. no reason not to try to isolate dna out of urine ig, especially since it has a pretty high chance of having trace amounts of sperm in it or whatever

[@comfort-and-joy]

Shaun Sins count: 01

[@thespecialist3608]

babies are stored in the bladder

[@edgarroberts8740]

9:49 "CinemaSins call Shia Khan an "African tiger". Which is odd, both because The Jungle Book is set in India... and because African tigers don't exist...." 💀💀💀

[@lawesomesauce6247]

The saddest part is there was no reason whatsoever to try to qualify where the tiger was from. He could've just said "tiger."

[@Froggeh92]

@@lawesomesauce6247 but the kid is black it has to be africa. Big brain moment

[@d.l.7416]

@ZAP GAMERZ *Shere

[@aftokratory]

Yeah Cinema Sins probably thought The Jungle Book was set in Africa and that the Mowgli is African

[@TobiasFangorIsntCis]

I laughed so loud when he said that line

[@mastermarkus5307]

The Moana ones really threw me for a loop. Like, I saw Moana and didn't know about the constellation or the drum beforehand, but... I didn't feel like I needed to? I don't understand why "[presumed] fake constellation is bad" or "that doesn't look like drums I'm familiar with, so it's definitely the movie that is wrong and not me, the person who doesn't know anything about Polynesian instruments". Them not knowing about miles per hour and kilometres per hour was also hilarious. Like the Tarzan ape/gorilla thing it feels like something that an adult would be able to figure out. I wouldn't expect them to know that 160 km/h = 100 mph, but do they not know about the EXISTENCE of km/h?

[@alisaurus4224]

Also, ALL constellations are “made-up” in that they’re decided upon by humans based on their viewing location and culture, not inherent properties of the cosmos!

[@StealthBoyElite]

Yeh, so all the "it's just satire" arguments fall very flat. The vast majority of the mistakes make them just look a bit silly or ignorant (and in many cases, stupid). Satire doesn't work well when it's not clever. And then you've got the obvious lies/manipulation via edits. That's never satire unless the joke is on the edit (and it's not).

[@LordOfTheFatties]

For me, it was really intense because it literally has the other numbers on the spedometer. Like, he literally can't read numbers. It's baffling.

[@johnmartinez7440]

A universe with demigods and a walking island, but the main issue is a constellation that sort of looks like a hook.

[@squidgirl0413]

part of it feels like a larger issue with criticism of fiction as a whole; in recent years a lot of audiences push for everything to be explained when it doesn't need to be. this extends beyond cinemasins, people will criticize any show that has loose ends at all when the finale airs, even though those loose ends would likely make the show retroactively WORSE if they were explained.

[@noodlepoodle3582]

If you can’t make your own Molotov cocktails, storebought is fine

[@kylefrank638]

I get mine from Revolution & Anarchy's Surplus. Them homemade ones are too shoddy for my taste.

[@deconstructyouridols]

As long as they are made locally. Support Local.

[@zacks8998]

Thank god, I thought it was rather abelist that only a select few could have access to Molotov cocktails, but now that they are selling to the general public, everyone can participate.

[@jonsnor4313]

Where do you get your riot set from?

[@johnnyrivas2619]

I only buy name brand Molotov cocktails.

[@julianbell9161]

CinemaSins isn’t satire. They aren’t satirizing anything. Rather, they are using satire as a defense for having bullshit sins and being flat out incorrect.

[@jertdw3646]

I don't see how this matters, they aren't hurting anyone. I still watch the some of the movies the cinema sins guy criticizes. This channel acts like cinema sins is some alt right grifter or something. Like chill lmao

[@easypeasypiano6118]

@Alexander Parkin The way I see it, they are not criticizing film criticism in their videos, but instead just making bad criticisms of the films themselves. What do you mean by "blind as to how to properly engage with meaningful art"? I still watch the some of the movies the cinema sins guy criticizes and I can always continue to enjoy and put to words their artistic value (for example, I really like the original Planet of the Apes and can appreciate it fully, while also enjoying a laugh at the way CinemaSins covers it because I don't take the channel itself as seriously as you or the creator of this video (29:08)). It's simply entertainment for people who aren't as sharp and observant (26:09) or knowledgeable (in various fields, such as aircraft engineering (39:11), golf (8:29), firearms (15:17), helicopter models (5:17) the effectiveness of bulletproof vests against different weapons (18:41) automobiles (34:24), animals (9:48), planetary designations in the Star Trek series (33:25), Lego bicycle design (38:56) etc.) as you or the creator of this video when they watch movies, and thus feel that the points made by the narrator are valid and find it funny to see them made in that specific style.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Not hurting anyone? That’s the bar?

[@Ryan-sn3uo]

@@jertdw3646 Ah yes, causing few thousands people to not watch a film becuse cinemasins gave them falsely misconstrued first impressions is apparently not hurting anyone you say. No livelihood has been affected, no creators were subjected to defamation using lies, no piece of artwork has been misrepresented for the sake of profiting one self. No one is hurt. Now pass me that copium you're smoking.

[@liro6]

@@Ryan-sn3uo If someone decides to not watch a film because of a cinema sins video, they're already pretty mindless.

[@JenkinsOwen]

CinemaSins are like the KZbin version of the guy who thinks he’s way, way smarter than everyone in the room when talking about politics because he’s hyper pedantic and makes bold statements loudly and sincerely to impress people, until he gets called out by someone who actually studies the topic, when he then immediately claims to have been joking about everything that he said and you “shouldn’t take everything so serious, man”.

[@skeleletonboi4533]

the viewers are absolutely the same, and I should know because I was like that and watched their videos religiously. I have been rehabilitatated since, thank fuck

[@dysmissme7343]

🤷🏻‍♀️ I mean. I’ve never taken cinemasins seriously- does anyone? Have the channel runners ever asked to be taken seriously? I’ve watched their stuff on and off for years and while I appreciate Shauns nitpicky corrections I can’t bring myself to care much bc all I’ve ever wanted and got from cinemasins is the jokey jokes and punchy editing I stopped watching and switched to cinemasins though bc the sins were bumming me out but I have always taken their sins to be absolute nonsense

[@dumberdummer]

@@dysmissme7343 to share my own experience, yeah, my college roommate thought they were brilliant. I felt bad because I think I did ruin a bit of his fun when I would get openly frustrated with the videos, but the blatantly false observations coupled with his condescending style drove me nuts.

[@dreaziemobbins]

@@dysmissme7343 what are you suggesting, that a person has to explicitly say "take the following seriously:" or else it's always just joke jokey joke joke jokey joke jokey joke. And I don't even understand that third thing you said. What? You stopped watching and switched to cinemasins because the sins were bumming you out? That is so extremely stupid that it's like you are sinning (is just a joke, don't take it serious)

[@IsaacPrinTheNerd]

Cinema Sins was one of the first commentary channels I ever watched, and it was actually a detriment to my mental health. I kept hearing how everything I wrote was a cliche or had a plot hole or didn't make sense, and it severely impacted my confidence in writing. Every time I would write something, I would get insecure, hear the CinemaSins voice, and promptly stop writing for the rest of the day, possibly for multiple days. So not only is it inaccurate, unfunny, and lazy, it is also harmful to anyone trying to be a writer.

[@AdaSoto]

Speaking as a romance writer, it's All been done before, but it hasn't been done in YOUR voice with YOUR characters and YOUR feelings on any given plot point.

[@left4twenty]

@@AdaSoto The Barenaked Ladies even wrote a song about it

[@Snowstriken]

@AdaSoto love this comment,you're ideas might not be original however they're unique simply by being written by you!

[@TheIrland09]

Sounds like a personal problem.

[@jamescarr1265]

it’s SO BAD. FUCK cinemasins.

[@peterbyrne5004]

"It's satire" "They're just joking" The thing is, satire makes a point, and jokes have punchlines. When CinemaSins blatantly miss or ignore parts of a movie in their rush to raise the sin count, what, exactly, is the point of that satire, or the punchline of that joke? Are they satirizing themselves? Are they just pretending to be lazy, and/or bad at film criticism, as a joke? Maybe. Or maybe they actually *are* lazy and/or bad at film criticism, and calling that "satire" or a "joke" is just a whole lot easier than actually getting better at what they do.

[@zaidabraham7310]

The CinemaSins team actually has a podcast called SinCast, where they discuss movies in a more serious manner. It's just a bunch of guys who are passionate about movies, and CinemaSins is intended to be a joke (poking fun at the movie, pointing out minor logical inconsistencies) whilst giving a quick recap of popular movies.

[@dansaunders1655]

Nice

[@barkley2824]

Zaid Abraham But whether the criticisms of films levied by CinemaSins are genuine or not, it’s still bad content. Many defend CinemaSins as a satire channel, but as the saying goes, satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticise. The target of CinemaSins’ satire is, at best, unclear, and at worst, nonexistent. And, moreover, its criticisms are almost unerringly mistaken as genuine, both by its audiences and members of the film industry. It completely fails at being satire.

[@bernardomercado261]

@@zaidabraham7310 tbh I just use cinemasins to watch films without paying or going to a cinema.

[@Roooobb]

@@zaidabraham7310 How is pointing out a "sin" that is explained in the movie, sometimes immediately during and often prior to the sin itself, a logical inconsistency?

[@VladimirLenine1917]

Terrible title, should've been: "Everything wrong with cinema sins in 43 minutes or less."

[@maximusorbis2548]

Charles Hardy that wouldn’t make sense and there is already a KZbinr who does that

[@VladimirLenine1917]

Zer 0 good point fairs

[@QueenFondue]

Nah, should've been 39 minutes or less so he could go 4 minutes over his claimed time

[@anu.]

Bing.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

40 minutes or less. If we're parodying CS, then we should use their lies in the titles.

[@toomuchyoutube3322]

as an american lemme just say yeah... our trains also have backward-facing seats so idk what tf he's on about either

[@RmcBlueSky]

Maybe he is too good to ride a train.

[@emolovetree]

We have trains?

[@unhumanized]

Probs never been on one

[@AzaleaJane]

Completely realistic thing cliche

[@unhumanized]

@Lady Cyprus i do and have been on one before i was referring to op

[@skore9975]

A British guy having to explain to an American how guns and American football work is very funny to me

[@vonriel1822]

I'm glad you pointed it out, because I missed that, and, you're right. It's goddamn hilarious.

[@archermadsen7744]

LMAO

[@meepk633]

People seem to be saying that CinemaSins is pretending to be stupid for comedic effect. Even if it's true, that's not sarcasm or satire. If it isn't true, they are just bad at following plot points not spoon fed to them.

[@Lemmonjuice-wt6zu]

Michael McDonald who cares? If people lile it just let them be. It’s not up to you to decide

[@longliverocknroll5]

@@Lemmonjuice-wt6zu Have you read the comments? The channel is actively replacing a market. There are thousands of comments that are basically "wow, thought I would like this, no I don't need to see it! Thanks!" They are *actively* lying about and misrepresenting a films flaws causing people to not watch films. This people are actively making their viewers more ignorant every time they watch their content.

[@Lemmonjuice-wt6zu]

@@longliverocknroll5 I really can't even be bothered reading your comment it just seems so whiny. You people are all so edgy with your first world problems

[@longliverocknroll5]

S Hndrckx So on top of being an idiot, you’re lazy and hypocritical lmfao

[@orthanus]

@@longliverocknroll5 Fine, allow me. Your two comments are very telling in a number of ways: 1. You call someone an idiot purely on the basis of them disagreeing with you. "On top of" implies you had already come to this conclusion after the first comment which was essentially 'Who cares if it's stupid, people enjoy it and it's not up for you to decide what people are allowed to enjoy.' This is not a necessarily idiotic statement. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is you decided S Hndrckx was an idiot because he disagreed with you. 2. "There are thousands of comments that are basically "wow, thought I would like this, no I don't need to see it! Thanks!"". Not sure why CinemaSins are responsible for morons making decisions purely on the basis of comedic videos. If I said "Wow, CinemaSins seems a bad channel, I won't watch their videos, thanks!" Should Shaun issue a public apology for "replacing a market"? 3. Not sure why I care about comedians exaggerating flaws for effect. I don't remember public outcry about the cruel treatment of airlines and lost revenue when stand up comedians were making jokes about airline food. Not sure why comedians are responsible when morons take those comments as valid thought-out critique. 4. Not sure why CinemaSins owe a public duty to inform people about movies. At the end of the day, a lot of the comments on this seems to be a holier-than-thou circle jerk: this idea that not finding CinemaSins funny somehow makes you better than those who do. It's not hurting anyone, so as the guy clearly stated, "If people like it just let them be. It’s not up to you to decide". At the point where the greatest harm you can come up with is "People who were so disinterested in seeing the film that were put off by a 10 minute video of mediocre comedy from a comedy channel won't go and see the film", you're probably chatting out of your ass.

[@alisaurus4224]

16:00 “black umbrellas at a funeral cliche”: i always thought probably funeral homes keep a supply of plain black umbrellas to hand out to attendees who might not have brought one. Now, “RAIN at a funeral cliche”? That one bugs me. Yes, the raindrops are like tears, WE GET IT

[@aarontheperson6867]

lmao black umbrellas cliche. woah wearing black at the funeral? no way!!! haha love cinemasins.

[@IamGrimalkin]

I'm with CinimaSins on this one, it's unusual to see a sea of black umbrellas at a funeral. Sure, people will bring a black umbrella if they have one, but a lot of people have only one umbrella, and it's not black. You'll see a lot of black umbrellas, but there will be some non-black ones mixed in.

[@dodixaverius9176]

@@IamGrimalkin while true it could be unrealistic on real funeral, there are reason film try to portray the funeral scene with as much as dark / black color as possible. It's called symbolism. If you movie had to adhere to real life as much as possible you might than only documentary and reality show with hidden camera on unsespecting participants are acceptable as a movie since they portray reality as close as possible. I'd rather watch a movie full of "sins" rather than one who tried as much to avoid it. If anything it is a sin that cinemasins make filmnakers and audience to think a nitpick minor detail as sin.

[@sheevinopalpatino4782]

@@IamGrimalkin Yes, but film, my friend, isn't a reflection of real life.

[@abohachuk4765]

Did they expect to see some pink or yellow umbrellas lol

[@wilhelmkreis6578]

"guys chill out it's satire" - somebody who doesn't know the definition of satire

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

When it is about satire, does that statement hold?

[@darkmasteroverlord372]

"The use of humor, irony, EXAGGERATION, or ridicule to expose and CRITISIZE people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues." I know CinemaSins doesn't completely fit the definition, but he isn't meant to be taken seriously. P.S. I know that Shaun isn't taking him seriously, he's also being funny by using the exact same type of humor CinemaSins uses. Edit: bad grammar

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

@@darkmasteroverlord372 you dont get it

[@darkmasteroverlord372]

@@dontspikemydrink9382 Can you be more specific?

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

@@darkmasteroverlord372 shaun rightfully criticized cs

[@sage11x]

“They’re lazy, and their videos are bad.” That quote always kills me. Came back here to clean my palette after having seen cinemasins in my feed.

[@galaxychill9578]

I read it as "their videos are bald" lmfao

[@M1ncecorn]

Anyone: *breathes* Cinema sins: *bing*

[@inconsolablepeasant1548]

Breathing is an overdone cliche/trope

[@M1ncecorn]

@@inconsolablepeasant1548 the director should just not breath

[@JeanMarceaux]

My reaction: *your pfp*

[@cslack813]

Classic exchange of CO2 for O2 via alveoli of the human lungs ex machina

[@DunantheDefender]

Sometimes I imagine Jeremy walking behind a real woman and muttering "this bitch still isn't doing a lap dance" only for her to hear him, whirl around, and break his nose.

[@quirkyblackenby]

Cinemasins is basically just everyone’s random commentary when they’re first watching a movie which isn’t movie criticism

[@useroffline9999]

Yeah, pretty much. I tend to be snarky while watching movies and make dumb comments that mean nothing. Shit, I could be rich by now....

[@edawg792]

Yeah it’s really just any kind of observation whatsoever, most of the time nitpicky

[@Felixr2]

@@edawg792 there's a difference between nitpicky and simply incorrect

[@mitchclark1532]

I love making dumb comments but I don't like being smug and inaccurate like Cinema Sins is!

[@mitchclark1532]

​@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 It's not that they're bad movie critics--they're actually not movie critics. What they do is effectively not substantive criticism, it's completely superficial commentary. That's true. That is lame. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable for being lazy and dumb and inaccurate. They only claim not to be critics because they don't want to be held accountable for their extreme inaccuracy. I know they're not critics. I wonder how many of their 9 million subscribers know it. They should all watch this video before watching another lame CinemaSins video. We're not calling out CinemaSins for being bad at criticism. We're calling them out for being lazy, dumb and inaccurate. It's interesting that hardcore fans have to admit these things and make excuses for them. They're obviously true. You can't deny them. All you can do is try to absolve them of responsibility. Just to be clear, the responsibility we're talking about is being honest and accurate. This is like how every time someone calls out Fox News for being inaccurate and lying, they say "we're entertainment, not news!" You have to consider how they are perceived by others, not how they attempt to portray themselves. CinemaSins would definitely have more leeway if they were actually smart and funny. But they are neither.

[@icspps]

"Super advanced, and super delapitated." Oh no... he doesnt know that an entire genre of this exists. Imagine him seeing the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer. It must be so confusing to him.

[@Piterdeveirs333]

I am pretty sure life is super confusing to him

[@eazy8579]

Or the entire Genre of Dieselpunk

[@radio_sparks]

This one really confused me. He must know about cyberpunk right? He has to, it's a pretty popular genre. If he does, then he decided to write a line where he describes the setting of cyberpunk as if he doesn't know what it is. And I cannot conceive of any world in which he thought that would be funny or satirical. It's really getting to me. Why did he write that line???

[@YEs69th420]

man i wish we lived in cinemasins land where having good technology means everyone lives a good life

[@gelatinocyte6270]

A society can be both super advanced and super delapitated at the same time; we basically live in one right now. Just saying!

[@NosebleeddeGroselha]

CinemaSins is basically like Live-stream reaction youtubers where they pause a video before someone ends a sentence, say something, then unpause just to see them contradict their comment; the thing is that reaction streamers are on live and can’t go back. CinemaSins _doesn’t want_ to go back.

[@carolinefloyd3298]

For the I Am Legend sin, even if the movie had never showed the bridges being blown up... I would think it would be easy to assume how/why they are gone

[@AnnekeOosterink]

But that would require the guys from cinema sins to think. Can't have that now can we? If they had thoughts at all, they'd realise they were not funny or they'd be able to follow along with those basic plot lines.

[@Felixr2]

I didn't even catch what movie it was, and I barely remember the slightest thing about I Am Legend anyway. But I heard 'zombie apocalypse' and 'the bridges are broken' and I was like yeah that's. Probably to contain the zombies or something.

[@None-Trick_Pony]

I've never seen the movie, so I just figured maybe it takes place a long time after the zombie apocolypse started, so after years and years without any maintenence, the bridges just collapsed.

[@erraticonteuse]

@@None-Trick_Pony Seriously, decaying infrastructure is standard shorthand for the collapse of civilization. Like, "oh things must be REALLY bad if the bridges have fallen!" sort of thing. Do these guys play Fallout and question why places far away from the blast zones have fallen apart? I was about to make a joke about "would they criticize a movie set in the medieval era for the Roman roads or aqueducts being janky?" but let's face it, they definitely would. "This ancient aqueduct is made of concrete, but all the newer buildings are made of wood or stone! Did they forget how to make concrete??" **Ding**

[@LuaanTi]

​@@erraticonteuse Of course, it _would_ be funny... if that was what the channel was about. You know, like "Look at this stupid uneducated guy knowing nothing about history and stuff".

[@TsukishimaLia]

The syringe one is so wild to me. Has CinemaSins Jeremy never gotten an injection. Has he been getting air bubbles injected into his bloodstream. You don't need to be a doctor to know this, this is literally general knowledge

[@ionioakinioanette5729]

It's actually an urban legend and Shaun has fallen for it too. Having air injected into the bloodstream is not dangerous in the quantities it would be possible to do with a normal syringe, even injecting a whole syringe full of air into the bloodstream is not going to cause any kind of complications to an otherwise healthy person.

[@leilas5419]

@@ionioakinioanette5729 its not urban legend its good medical practice, there are fringe cases where it can have an effect as well as generally not getting accurate dosage because of the air bubble disrupting the actual space the meds take - flicking is old school but collecting the small air bubbles into a big one then expelling it is not. Hollywood exaggerates the amount expelled usually but it is something done to expell air.

[@BlueGangsta1958]

@Ion Ioakin Ioanette Sometimes there are preexisting conditions that are not known to the doctor, either because the patient is asymptomatic or because they don't recognise the problem as bad enough to go to the doctor. A patient could appear to be healthy and still have arteriosclerosis or a thrombus. A healthy person might not _die_ of an air embolism caused by a syringe but it is certainly not pleasant or healthy, which is why it is general medical practice to expel the air when drawing medicine into a syringe.

[@danopticon]

@Ion Ioakin Ioanette - Nooooooo! Seriously, before some kid with an insulin syringe - which are _readily_ available - injects a syringeful of air into their own bloodstream, NO!! That CAN be quite dangerous, and could directly or indirectly lead to aneurysm, infarction, and other debilitating or fatal outcomes. Yes, a bubble won’t hurt you, even quite a few won’t hurt you… but a full syringe of air: you’re into gambling territory. ☹️

[@_ikako_]

he certainly acts like he has had air injected into him

[@wanderinghistorian]

"We can approximate the date from several contextual clues. There are these old cars, these guys wearing 1950s period clothing, and this newspaper that reads October 21st 1959. Using these clues I can reasonably guess the movie is set around the exact date October 21st 1959." HAHA LOVE IT

[@SaturnRider2014]

See that one confused me, because I used to watch CinemaSins alot and they had tons of videos were they had to have paused the movie to read the prop newspapers and point out some of the weird copy paste text in the articles and sin it since...they know that prop newspapers reuse that filler text a lot with usually only headlines, pictures, and dates being unique to the movie. So it definitely seems willful that they didn't mention that the movie uses all of those context clues to indicate at least to adult audiences what time the movie is taking place.

[@shuhaibthawoos1569]

bae

[@youraverageimperialguard7932]

Why do you have the Arabic letter N as your profile pic? Do you really like the letter n?

[@mikoliism]

ن

[@tiredprincess451]

i fucking died laughing when he said this

[@modelmajorpita]

The obsession with realism, nitpicking, and not understanding any artistic meaning behind choices that cinema sins pushes is I feel to blame for how many shows are just impossible to watch now because they refuse to have proper lighting, particularly for night shots.

[@dysmissme7343]

Lol I don’t think you can blame cinema sins for that 😂

[@modelmajorpita]

You absolutely can since he made dozens of videos complaining about night shots having too much light, including on his serious channel. He's not the only one pushing this bullshit, but he is spreading a worldview that makes movies worse.@@dysmissme7343

[@obligatoryprofile]

'Why is the sky orange in this scene? Did the director forget what color the sky is supposed to be? This film is bad, and in other news, the sky is blue. DING' 'The sky is orange in this scene because it takes place during a sunset. Let's watch the next fifteen seconds of the film:' Protagonist: "What a beautiful sunset." Camera zooms in on wristwatch, establishing a date-and-time combination consistent with sunset in the timezone where the film is set Panning reveal that the protagonist is addressing Lord Rayleigh, discoverer of the phenomenon known as Rayleigh scattering Lord Rayleigh: "Isn't it, just? You know, it gets that orange hue because more low-wavelength-that is, bluer-light is scattered due to its longer, more shallow trajectory through the atmosphere." Protagonist: "That's a very concise explanation, Lord Rayleigh. It would take a very stupid or dishonest person to misunderstand this situation."

[@leland8021]

obligatoryprofile cinema sins would give the second scene a sin too though and then be too lazy to go back and edit it

[@Flowtail]

"Over-explanation cliche!" DING

[@aspergale9836]

This an actual movie? :3

[@zingtea]

Reading. DING

[@kalewaaaa]

I can’t be the only one who wants to listen to Shaun list off why cinema sins is wrong for 3 hours

[@goingunder2548]

I would love for him to do a series where he unpacks the stupidity of every single CS video, starting from the oldest

[@MiraArrr]

@@goingunder2548I actually like the compilations, so we can hear him unpack several animal mistakes in a row

[@ROOKI3LINKX]

There's also a scene in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince where Ron accidentally makes the bewitched ceiling snow because of his depression. CinemaSins gives that a sin saying "Now magic doesn't even have to be on purpose?" Yes, actually, accidental magic IS a thing, as shown in the first movie when Harry accidentally makes the glass in the snake tank disappear, causing Dudley to fall in. As we all know, Harry didn't know he was a wizard until AFTER that incident. Again, two movies later, when Marge is insulting Harry's dead parents, he loses control of his emotions, and makes her bloat and float.

[@johnmartinez7440]

Yeah, their lack of knowledge of a movie universe is magnified when half the stuff the criticise is explained thoroughly in the books (and elsewhere in the movies too)

[@yooniverse5359]

The home alone doggy door one is a weird sin even if they didn't have a dog. The house my mom bought already had one because of the previous family and we haven't removed it because we'd have to buy a new door which hasn't been a priority in the couple years we've lived in the house.

[@kennethk.5464]

CinemaSins being wrong cliché. Shaun coming along to correct him Ex Machina.

[@markmillett6540]

in case you confused it with CinemaSins being right.........Oh wait that doesn't exist.

[@jblue1622]

Ding! This comment does not contain a lapdance!

[@johnmercer2756]

:)))))))

[@puppetmaster2437]

That’s Not A Cliché So Stop Saying It Dumbass AND HE IS WRONG

[@BrickBuster2552]

CinemaSins survives this.

[@katekursive1370]

here for the nitpicking. drag them, skull father

[@occams_blazer]

Okay, I wholeheartedly endorse him changing the channel name to something involving _Skull Father_ because it's both cute and disarming, and also ominous and threatening - all at the same time!

[@sprotte6665]

I don't think it's cute, I only think it sounds ominous and maybe like the name of a metal band. That said, I still think it's funny, because it's basically the "me, an intellectual:" version of calling someone daddy. And I like ominous things, tbh.

[@TheTophat22]

I am absolutely in love with your name :)

[@spectrumefp]

www.metal-archives.com/bands/SkullFather/3540307640

[@sprotte6665]

Krolisian, nice pic :D

[@saorlathesurly]

I think there's an even more absurd sin in the Transformers video - “If Unicron wants the Matrix destroyed because it's the one thing that can kill him, why doesn't he go do it himself instead of sending others to do it for him?” Gee, I dunno...maybe he doesn't want to go near the one thing that can kill him for some reason?

[@asinineAbbreviations]

yeah like rodimus opens the matrix inside him and it clearly fucks him up. why the hell would he go near it if he could just get galvatron and co to destroy it instead?

[@BriBriTheGuy]

I like that this really does show the hypocrisy of CinemaSins. Getting someone's name wrong, mislabeling an animal, forgetting events that were previously shown, etc. are all things that SHOULD be sinned in a movie, but CinemaSins is doing itself.

[@Lupostehgreat]

CinemaSins is what happens when cash grab videos made for a cheap laugh are treated as legitimate criticism.

[@deliciousdishes4531]

It's even worse because they themselves really don't treat it as legitimate criticism

[@QuickQuips]

They don't realize that the reason they're popular is because it's a way to watch more or less the full movie with every plot point covered. Their lack of wit doesn't matter.

[@solo8348]

It does feel like a weird area of fair use.. I know I used to watch cinema sins because it was kinda of way to see a movie without paying. I got torrents now though:)

[@josephbundra393]

+DeliciousDishes REALLY? Who would have thought, they didn't take it seriously. It's almost as if, that's the point.

[@justinrc1692]

U people take Cinemasins way too seriously. I mean, c'mon, if you don't like them, why not just ignore their content?

[@vanguard6498]

theres a channel called Cinema Wins and its actually pretty good, basically the guy lists off cool things about the movie. What sets it apart is at the end where the guy talks about why he likes the movie, you feel a connection with him and the movie, imo its an infinity better channel.

[@emmanueludoidung5745]

Agreed just so much more effort put into it. And while Cinema Sins almost always had me disagreeing with them (Haven't watched them in a while) CinemaWins has actually made me appreciate the good in movies I didn't like. I mean he got me to appreciate BvS.....dude deserves a Nobel for that. Note it doesn't mean I like the movie now. Just that I can see that it has more awesomeness than I gave it credit for.

[@sentientshadow126]

I just have one point of contention with this comment. Why only 89 likes (at time of writing)? CinemaWins is awesome and if you're reading this and haven't seen any of his material. Stop, go to his channel, find a movie you recognise (familiarity always seems like the best starting point in a new channel to me), click on that video then shut up and watch it.

[@davesdinnerz9243]

@@sentientshadow126 cinema wins does compliment parts on movies that really aren't good though. I suggest people just watch the movies and make their own judgements

[@sentientshadow126]

@@davesdinnerz9243 If he's complimenting parts that aren't that good, all the more reason to start with a movie you're familiar with. And duh, everyone should always make their own judgements about everything. Never just accept what someone else told you (lies exist).

[@davesdinnerz9243]

@@sentientshadow126 I guess I just rather a more in depth review on movies

[@hakalakalaka0.963]

wait so you're telling me you guys DON'T show up to funerals in a purple and orange zoot suit? wild

[@_ikako_]

i usually wear a rainbow afro wig too.

[@aarontheperson6867]

come on guys change it up a little. all black? what is this, a.... whatever.

[@mst3kharris]

If it’s the Joker’s funeral, sure.

[@mippy5842]

@@_ikako_ if i'm feeling really upset, i'll add a red nose that honks as well

[@edg4rallanbro753]

Even if CinemaSins is satire and not supposed to be taken seriously despite all the evidence to the contrary, it still has the effect of making modern media criticism suck and incredibly surface level and hyper literal.

[@alexanderpurkis3508]

If a channel's entire schtick is based on being nitpicky and its nitpicking is intentionally obscuring the context or just generally sucks, the nitpicking deserves to be nitpicked... to shreds! *insert sinister laugh*

[@NB_Cowboy]

Alex Purkis or the nitpicking should be quality. Because that's my biggest take away from this video. Cinemasins is just lazy as shit. They act like they're just doing comedy nitpicking, but they're barely trying!

[@CometX-ing]

If you don't find the joke funny fine, then it's not for you. I find Cinema Sins entertaining and have no issue with them being nitpick because I know they are not serious about it or are trying to really critique. Making a 43 minute video picking apart a joke you don't like only makes you look foolish.

[@catiseith]

Jokes aren't immune to criticism, and these are pretty bad, lazy and inconsistent.

[@alexanderpurkis3508]

CometX-ing If you don't find it funny, it's not for you.

[@MrHandss]

that's probably why he already did it to himself.

[@classyrainbowhead]

``This video could have been 3 times as long´´ make a 2 hour long cinemasins video you coward

[@magmasajerk]

why do I already know that I'd watch that entire thing twice

[@CaptainSveid]

I just made 2 videos Sinning CinemaSins a few days ago, check it out if interested!

[@discordant8543]

Because you watched this one 3 times?

[@Count_Gustav]

if u add this video 43 min and previous one which is 24 min u get 1 hour then u can watch another Channel criticized CS, check Bobvids channel

[@ilikeceral3]

20 hour*

[@TurboNemesis]

Cinemasins is like that friend we all have that tries to find plotholes and inconsistencies in every movie or tv show episode they watch as it's happening only to look foolish when they get explained later.

[@ArchenOpteryx]

I'm pretty sure those friends are people who watch CinemaSins.

[@kropotkinnie]

I love finding issues in shows (as I try and use it to help me improve my own writing and notice my own flaws) and one of my largest rules for myself is to watch them all the way through, or at least till a point where I know my criticisms are valid. It's so important to watch an entire movie or show before slamming it... or praising it, in some cases. Cinemasins is like the antichrist of this. They stand for everything I despise in a critic. I love nitpicking stuff (again, helps me learn what to avoid) but there's a difference between nitpicking and literally making things up to serve your own distaste for something. Cinemasins disgusts me. A good example of a nitpicker who does it right is Ralphthemoviemaker, imo. He looks for all the little flaws, but he uses them to improve his own works and they're always valid. Cinemasins is such an insult to critiques. Thank fuck we have all these great producers to counter that bs.

[@AnnoyingAsianWitch]

I love being proven wrong when the movie explains the reason. CinemaSins prefer to go "NO THIS IS SATIRE".

[@raymondkertezc364]

I probably AM that friend

[@HotaruMari]

The "advanced yet dilapidated" moment with CinemaSins for me was that they sinned the Hunger Games for Capitol being able to generate mutant dogs in the arena out of "thin air" but they aren't able to feed the poor districts... Like... buddy :D Loved the stamp "Watch the damn movie", thanks for these videos, it is satisfying, almost therapeutical to watch these.

[@TasteOfButterflies]

I think "in this dystopia, resources are supposedly scarce, yet the ruling class who controls all the resources freely wastes them on frivolous spectacles and silly shit" is a repeating trope of a certain kind of stupid person critiquing a certain kind of movie.

[@Officewaffle]

Well now you have a sin for "ruling class cheats the poor of resources clichè"

[@woopiedoodie6297]

I stopped watching Cinemasins when I saw their video about Avengers:AOU. There was a scene in the beginning where they raided the hydra base, and Thor threw his hammer to a goon and starts to punch and kick other goons around him and they gave it a sin because according to them " thor has a hammer but chooses to punch and kick". How the FUCK is that a sin? He LITERALLY just threw his hammer out. What do they expect? Hammer magically appearing at his hand again? Or just stand there and wait for the hammer to return without retaliating? Cinemasins is honestly just a colossal fuck up of a youtube channel.

[@XescoPicas]

I also realized they were idiots all along while watching that video, but it was in a different scene: When the Avengers are planning their next move in Hawkeye’s house, they mention both Thor’s nightmare (the one Scarlett Witch caused in a previous scene, clearly shown on screen with impossible to miss flashy visuals) and Doctor Cho (the doctor who healed Clint at the beginning of the movie, also clearly shown on screen and with a lot of hard to miss dialogue). The CinemaSins guys acted like neither of these elements were even mentioned before, they were like “What dream?” *DING* “Who’s Doctor Cho?” *DING* I thought “The f*ck’s wrong with them? Did they go to the bathroom and missed half the movie?”

[@sophiemason8444]

You've just explained in a nutshell why CinemaSins's satire is not satire. "Why does Thor punch and kick and not use the hammer?" 1) Thor should not rely on Mjolnir constantly (this is the major character arc of his in Ragnarok) 2) It's a fucking great scene and adds variety. The one that did them in for me is Days of Future Past. I enjoyed that film, and I had watched CinemaSins make fun of films I had watched previously, but the way they picked apart the film was as if they'd tuned out to discuss something they hated in an early scene, missing the context of the next sequence of events in the film, complained that sequence was stupid for 10 minutes which made them miss the context of the next sequence etc etc Nitpicking films can be funny, but CinemaSins are not a satire channel no matter much they claim to be; they are those Uberfact listicles you read on Facebook when you've got nothing to do for five minutes and want to read something mildly amusing and forget about it right after...except CinemaSins is bad at it

[@woopiedoodie6297]

@@sophiemason8444 I know right. Thor is an expert in hand to hand combat but to them, he's just the god of hammer. I only see their videos on marvel and dc or other sci-fi movies and quite frankly, they are just like those internet trolls who made a list of a movie's "flaws and plot holes" when in reality 95% of it is just due to laziness and stupidity. Which actually makes sense because 95% of Cinemasins videos are also lazy and stupid.

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

@@woopiedoodie6297 Holy shit. The point of the comment is meant to be insanely pedantic and illogical. You actually, ACTUALLY think that he cared that he punched or whatever? That's the point of the joke, however unfunny it might be.

[@woopiedoodie6297]

@@hypotheticaltapeworm The very definition of a "joke" is " a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter." I might be without a sense of humour, but thats not even CLOSE to a joke. So now what constitutes a joke to you is something pedantic and illogical and doesn't have to be funny?

[@blackhogarth4049]

When I saw that part in Moana with the hook constellation, I assumed it was fictional. You know, alongside magic, demigods, and water being a sapient lifeform. Why is this a problem and the other stuff isn't? That's pretty pathetic, Cinema Sins.

[@katytui3746]

To be fair, my big issue with Moana was that they didn't include Maui's canonical death in the Polynesian myths: being bit in half by a death goddess's hoo ha.

[@peterprime2140]

@@katytui3746 Uh, w-what's her number? Asking for a friend..

[@iansullivan9738]

@@peterprime2140 U+03A9

[@circesgrotto]

also, "fictional constellation" as opposed to all the other, definitely not made up, definitely not arbitrary, constellations we all can see in the night sky

[@average-neco-arc-enjoyer]

@@iansullivan9738 You really just said 800 in the most unconventional way & I think that is nice.

[@squirrel9544]

Who else wants a 3 hour long version of this? It's really fun watching someone with more than 7 brain cells ripping into cinema sins

[@ShadowPa1adin]

bobvids has an entire series of this.

[@MriInterocitor]

I would, except I don’t hate Shaun or wish him to go mad. :)

[@squirrel9544]

ShadowPa1adin yeah I've managed to find him thanks to the link in the description. Pretty dank

[@TaxOwlbear]

"Shaun video being three hours long" cliché.

[@squirrel9544]

TaxOwlbear "Long video" ex-machina

[@moosenman]

I used to watch his videos instead of watching movies, mostly because I was a child and my parents didn’t take me to the movie theater, and I used to think what he said was so smart. It kind of destroyed how I viewed things for a while, I just started to aggressively hate things. Again you can blame this on me, but I was a kid, and impressionable. I watched them because they were quick, and they kept my limited attention engaged. Anyway CinemaSins is trash and not funny.

[@LuaanTi]

That's one of the really big problems with CinemaSins. It's just... toxic. It poisons people. It's yet another (highly popular!) place where people who don't bother doing any research spout nonsense, and when called out on it, they claim "they were just joking". It's really easy to manipulate people this way, and then they're all pessimistic, narcissistic jaded assholes who shit on everything they don't understand. It's especially unfair when plenty of their vocal supporters outright claim they never watch those movies (or use the CinemaSins "review" to say "Now I'm not going to watch the movie"). I highly recommend CinemaWins. It's just awesome, and it really shows that while it's harder to be positive, it's also a whole lot more valuable. Because it's much easier to see the world as a giant shithole, and pretend to be so smart by being so cynical (even today people associate cynicism with intelligence and knowledge!); but it's a horrible trap that just makes you a worse person. There's plenty of bad things about the world; no need to manufacture more, or throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[@moosenman]

@@LuaanTi I absolutely agree. I actually did start on CinimaWins (when I just got off cinimasins I almost thought it was run by the same person and avoided it for the longest time), and have been much better ever since. I think what hurts me the most on remembering back on that time is that I didn’t know a lot of the sexual terms they used (yes I was that young), and remembering how many ‘scene doesn’t contain a lap dance’ sins they put over women just talking is… so gross. They can say it’s a joke all they want, but the joke is that haha it’s sexist. And nothing else.

[@joemccarthy114]

“Watching his videos instead of the whole movie” is dead on. I used to watch for the same reason and I think it’s the whole point of the channel, not jokes or satire or whatever crap their fans put out

[@montyparata4914]

Hey man, I have to apologise. While I don't enjoy or like cinema sins, I was a bit confused by your first video, thinking you were missing the point. I now see that I basically just ignored all your points and now I see WHY you are compelled to make these observations. Sorry for doubting your genuineness!! I like your other content too. Keep it up my friend!

[@johnmartinez7440]

I find the guy's voice, and the overly long "sin" he has to try to read out at top speed, even more annoying than their numerous mistakes.

[@spongebobandplanktonshould2920]

This 1000 times. Annoying as hell. Besides yes, what's the point in speaking fast? Like, somebody rushes poor dude? Lol. Sounds like puke-inducing drivel.

[@archkull]

He sounds so pompous it's almost personally offensive

[@onesetofpajamas3873]

I tried watching a few videos of this dude when I was younger, trying to make myself a part of the fandom, but even elementary me was annoyed at it

[@NessaEllenesse]

Bad writing advice. Particularly the video on tropes vs cliches. Tropes are not cliches. Tropes are useful tools that every writer has used for since the beginning of literature. Tropes even happen in real life read TV tropes website. Cliches are over used tropes.

[@vaiyt]

Tropes are "things people use frequently in literature, often for a reason". If people didn't use those things, they would use different things and those would be tropes.

[@BlueGangsta1958]

Three-act structure cliché! _ding_

[@Aeluron]

People use the term cliches way more often just to call something bad.

[@taomasterwaka6287]

Character growing after tragedy cliche! *ding*

[@Aeluron]

Human behavior cliche!

[@Bayplaces]

My biggest issue with Cinemasins is that it encourages teenage boys to deride everyday experiences as if they're cliche. Connecting them to this broader cultural phenomena isn't a stretch either. The amount of boys mimicking Andrew Tate, Cinemasins, etc. is through the roof. Breeding ignorance.

[@cjboyo]

It’s part of the general rise of shitty, cynical, anti intellectual nonsense. 😢

[@lucamne27]

What does cinema sins have to do with teenage boys u reaching

[@davidtaylor142]

Comparing cinemasins to Andrew Tate is pretty extreme and unfair

[@NotUp2Much]

"Cinemasins is part of the alt right pipeline" is a take I didn't expect somebody to be stupid enough to make, but here we are.

[@The_Nü_Wave]

I don't get why people love Andrew Tate so much

[@Wyeuca]

"The movie is actually set in 1750, which isn't in the 17th century. Just trust me." That was awesome. 👍

[@gemstonegynoid7475]

These things confuse me. But yeah. Year 0 would be in the 1st century, year 1001 is in the 2nd century. That's how I remember how centuries work.

[@dioxyribonucleicacid]

@@gemstonegynoid7475 Year 1001 is actually the eleventh century. Century means every one hundred years. What you've written there is actually the number one *thousand* and one. There are ten hundreds in one thousand. Meaning, in the year 1001, ten centuries have been completed and the people would be experiencing the second year of the eleventh century.

[@malpheus4299]

I think you confused a Century for a Millenia.

[@Eviled]

@@gemstonegynoid7475 that's the eleventh century and if you're using binary you're still wrong cause that would be year 9

[@gilabila]

TheSourCitrus And if they were using trinary, they would’ve been referring to year 28

[@Tiedyeban]

I used to like their videos but they’ve gotten so bad, the sins basically go like, “He got off the couch to set the plot in motion.” Like, yeah, that’s how movies works.

[@swaminathant.v8910]

ikr?

[@hi-rw4nl]

They never said that in any of their videos though

[@Arkain89]

Kylo Ren Didn't they? In this video you can see CinemaSins "sinning" a train that has seats facing two different directions, which is... nothing. Not even a joke. If you think that's a joke, I think you don't know what a joke is. It's even below the “He got off the couch to set the plot in motion.”

[@austinbevis4266]

Couch ex machina

[@FoolyCoolyBlackLagoony]

Cinema Sins sinned Blade Runner for visual story telling, if that isn't proof that Cinema Sins is the hottest garbage then nothing is.

[@kyrroti]

They also dislike narration, so I guess they sin both ways.

[@BollocksUtwat]

So they can basically do a video for the final cut and the theatrical and hate them both for the chief difference.

[@FoolyCoolyBlackLagoony]

They just don't care anymore, finding as many ways as possible to hate a film has proven extremely lucrative for them, so their just tripling down on their shitty criticisms and continuing to lie.

[@johnsonyessir6638]

Cinema Sins go by the method of flinging enough content at wall maybe something will stick regardless of research or editing. I know it's tough to make a living on KZbin, but maybe you should take that as sign you should stop, rather than becoming baseless and diluted like WatchMojo.

[@KyleHarmieson]

It's just a joke. What the fuck man.

[@elysahatestostudy9364]

The slit drum thing was especially embarrassing. Because when I first saw the movie, I thought the exact same thing "Huh, that's not what I thought a drum looked like", but then I immediately followed it up by googling the drum to see what it looked like and how it worked. 2 secs of googling is all it needs.

[@zingtea]

I love seeing the nitpickers get nitpicked.

[@bigchungus7698]

What about nitpickers picking nitpickers picking nits

[@JimJamTheAdmin]

I really love that people get upset at him for nitpicking the supposed nitpickers. How are you that oblivious?

[@cervelmola]

the worst part is I dont even think cinemasins categorizes as nitpicker, when he is so wrong all the time. Nitpicking is something more of pointing out raccord problems or things that are actually wrong in the movie but not really important for the plot

[@deanwrubel5730]

You are nitpicky and biased, i win bye bye. -video game dunkey

[@sarahv1316]

A 43 minute video about the problems with cinemasins?? You spoil us

[@RainbowLizardOne]

Not a whole lot longer than a regular CinemaSins video

[@CaptainSveid]

I just made 2 videos Sinning CinemaSins a few days ago, check it out if interested!

[@LaNoLaCola]

sarah lol the "Sins of CinemaSins" as it were

[@jackets4020]

Sees brown car in movie, "I have a black car, I don't like brown cars; DING"

[@chron874]

Congratulations, you understood the formula.

[@jonathonm8702]

I don't like formulas DING

[@refinedwrath9030]

@@jonathonm8702 i hate my life :DING

[@slaterwoman9237]

And everything is a cliche to them lol

[@vaiyt]

People sit in chairs cliché

[@g.j.9515]

cinemasins uses the "makes bad content, hides behind "its just joke/comedy/satire" to escape from criticism" stereotype

[@bobthellama6988]

breathing air cliche!

[@andrewgreen77]

*ding*

[@NoobsDudes]

"Making bad Commentary and then framing it as Satire cliche." *_Ding_*

[@nikkiesweet7939]

For those continuously calling CinemaSins blatant ignorance satire, you're wrong. Satire points the stupidity in something and makes a joke of it... CinemaSins is pointing out things that are either explained or very minimal. Which makes it degradation and not satire.

[@Undy1]

The problem is also the format itself - some talking followed by a "ding" and an increase of the counter. This is just classical conditioning 101 - people are being trained to have a pleasurable response to the ding sound. The whole point of these videos is to get as many points (sins) as possible - and we humans love points and counters that go up. While watching a cinemasins video we're rooting for the "reviewer" to get more points than last time, and the bell ensures that everyone constantly keeps track of the counter, while also conditioning people to feel good every time it rings. And once the person is trained it doesn't matter anymore whether the point being made is right, wrong, stupid or boring because hearing the bell and seeing the counter increase ensures they will have the correct response and won't question anything. Cinemasins has literally trained people to feel good about starin at a number counting from 0 to around 90 over the span of 20 minutes.

[@littlemoth4956]

​@@Undy1 I have to things to say/ask: 1. Why is that "training" a bad thing? 2. As a previous CinemaSins watcher, I can say it's not about the numbers, at all. I actually find the bell annoying at times. I never cared about how many times it rung, and I never will.

[@rantymcrant-pants9536]

It's a satire of the audience... We are all collectively cinemasins.

[@DarkCreator98]

And it's funny because when they first started their channel they really started out pointing out actual sins and cinema

[@derekscanlan4641]

its still funny tho

[@snowboiiii]

Being a part of a horrible online film culture that judges a film not on it's artistic merit but whether it is a perfectly logical chain of events... ex machina.

[@markmillett6540]

cliche

[@snowboiiii]

Being a disgusting internet pedant cliche ex machina maguffin

[@doyleharken3477]

azzy mazzy Spotted the CinemaShit fan!

[@maximeteppe7627]

MicShazam: i really encorage you to check out recent lindseyy Ellis videos if you haven't. She used to be the "nostalgia chick" but she actually has been to film school and has learnt a thing or two there...

[@volbla]

... and then still getting the logical chain of events wrong... cliché.

[@whawhawhawhaaaa]

"It's satire!" "What were you satirizing?" _Leaves_

[@BlueSkullFish]

Lazy and stupid movie criticism lmao

[@SorowFame]

@@BlueSkullFishthat’s sort of like if I stab someone and claim it’s a cunning satire of criminals who stab people.

[@TotalDramaHarold]

@@BlueSkullFishFor something to be satire you have to be obviously making fun of it, not just doing that with humor

[@jaymiddleton1782]

In regard to the Ghost In The Shell sin - “How is the Major so heavy but can float on water?” Yeah it’s just like those things, what are they called? Big, incredibly heavy metal structures that float on water? Oh, yeah, that’s the word: *boat*

[@TheCatLady65]

It's not the size, it's the density

[@morerobotwarscontent1476]

@@TheCatLady65 yes. Cinemasins are pretty dense.

[@evandarksky2309]

Well... maybe you should look up how buoyancy works. Metal ships float because pressure of the water upwards outdoes the pressure of gravity on a ship. Ships are hollow. Humans less so.

[@TheCatLady65]

@@evandarksky2309 Bouyancy is inversely proportional to density, that's the whole point

[@reinatr4848]

Evan Darksky thats the point

[@paulsmart4672]

For making fun of movies, I much prefer How It Should Have Ended, because they take plot elements they think are silly and create cartoons that run those elements in absurd directions so they're actually like... creating something. As opposed to just babbling about how they were too busy being smug to follow the story. Plus there's an air of affectionate parody about them. It's like "This was a fun movie, but wouldn't it be silly if this happened instead?" It's about being silly, not faux intellectualism. Like, "What if instead of Elsa being locked away to hide her powers from the world she joined the X men?" Stuff like that.

[@petraelliott5930]

I also recommend mystery science theater 3000, who make fun of movies but with an air of genuinely liking them. plus, they're funny!

[@QueenKunta]

HISHE is awesome! They also suggested that they reverse time to Thanos as a baby and Tony Stark raises him as his son lol. Then Rhoadey later mentions it in Endgame which makes me think maybe the Russo brothers watch HISHE too.

[@crazyaf12]

Screen Junkies' Honest trailers are also pretty good. They give their legitimate criticisms of the movie they're reviewing, unlike the nitpicky assholes of CinemaSins

[@monorayjak4377]

That is satire, the real kind

[@johnmartinez7440]

@@QueenKunta I thought raising Thanos as a child was a story from the comics? One of them goes back in time to kill him but feels bad, or something

[@emilyoswin3830]

When a film is simple CinemaSins says it’s too simple and they want to have interesting and more complex stories. When a film is complex they totally miss the point and sin it

[@aidanquiett668]

I mean... that is the point of CinemaSins... it isnt a true review, more joking about movies in general and just how dumb certain plot lines can be. To me, it is more of a love letter to movies as a whole, including their faults

[@Slyguy846]

I'm not sure how flagrantly misrepresenting plot lines, misinterpreting characters and spreading this misinterpretation of films can be considered a 'love letter to movies'.

[@aidanquiett668]

@@Slyguy846 he isnt being serious, it is all sarcasm. I mean if anyone truly believed that someone could hate movies that much... plus for some he even says he loves the movie he is making the video on, he is just taking the shit out of them as well

[@Slyguy846]

CinemaSins IS being serious though. Jeremy (the guy behind CinemaSins) espouses his real, personal views through his videos; and it's clear that, amongst obvious 'joke' sins, CinemaSins do attempt to point out legitimate lapses in character writing, plot writing and so on through their sins. Negligence and misinterpretation of the films they watch isn't just 'sarcasm', it's an example of how they continually fail to respond to films in a sensible manner- and, you know, if CinemaSins were truly just a *joke channel*, these misgivings could be forgiven. But the reality is that plenty of commenters on CinemaSins, and no doubt plenty of other viewers are legitimately misled by CinemaSins into believing in flaws that don't exist. Besides that, I don't see how you could find CinemaSins funny- their videos are stimulating, due to their appropriated film footage, sure- and they do give you a false sense of superiority, sure: but are they really funny? Do CinemaSins really make you laugh out loud? CinemaSins have one of the most prominent film-related KZbin channels and for many young and naive viewers are an authority on films; and they are continuing to use this authority to provide the most facile, disrespectful view of films.

[@tadghostal7501]

Your opinions are as toxic as your username.

[@sassytabasco]

Everybody has a friend that is Cinema Sins. Everybody has universally agreed that watching movies with that guy is like pulling teeth.

[@clinton8421]

For me, that's my younger brother. He even complains about movies in the cinema and gets all pissy when you tell him to shhh. I'm not taking him out to see another movie until he learns how to shut the Hell up and enjoy something.

[@lucaswibisono1316]

A good friend of mine at college once did that after we finish watching GvK. He's so irked about the fight on top the carrier ship where Kong and the girl is (I think, cmiiw), and I was like rolling my eyes hearing him ranting about it. I mean yeah, REALISTICALLY that ship should've been sinking, but hey it doesnt.

[@brobrochanel]

I hate how literally every line of Cinema Sins videos are delivered in the exact same condescending way, regardless of like what they're trying to say. It doesn't even matter that it's often wrong, it's just not fun to listen to.

[@BeefWagon]

Jam god, I can’t take anything seriously here. I just keep hearing Pewdiepie’s voice whenever he’s mocking others. Well, maybe Bojack Horseman may be to your taste instead?

[@mirmalchik]

or books books are rul good

[@3vercent]

"The movie expects me to think for half a second? Bad writing!"

[@SorowFame]

Also “this movie explains something to me directly? Bad writing!” You literally cannot win because they’ll sin it either way

[@womp9465]

I hate how a lot of their ‘sins’ aren’t even sins. Like they’ll sin everything for being cliche when that has nothing to do with the movie being a bad story. They’re so dumb and condescending honestly and it’s really not satire

[@TheMrVengeance]

They also sin movies/stories for being "cliche" when its literally the story that originated the cliche, eg. Lord of the Rings. Yeah, that story has a lot of fantasy tropes and cliches.. *guess why!*

[@definitelynotcharlie4001]

guys I just feel it is a joke for jokes and is it really any harm just to add arbitrary faults to add to a satisfying counter and entertainment

[@definitelynotcharlie4001]

guys I just feel it is a joke for jokes and is it really any harm just to add arbitrary faults to add to a satisfying counter and to give people entertainment

[@TheMrVengeance]

@@definitelynotcharlie4001 - Did you even bother to watch the video you're commenting on? And yes it hurts. A majority of their fanbase takes their "reviews" seriously. Lots of comments on their videos are things like: _"I'm glad I didn't go watch this movie, thanks for letting us know how shit it is."_ So their lazy disingenuous lies, which they pretend are jokes, is causing both; people to miss out on watching great movies, and great movies that earn some recognition and reward to be misrepresented and miss revenue.

[@definitelynotcharlie4001]

TheMrVengeance although I feel it is up to the fans to realize that most of their sins just to add to the counter and I find most of the jokes genuinely funny

[@mr.suki2425]

what I am most grateful for the existence of cinemasins, is that thanks to him cinemawins exists

[@fostena]

I always stayed away from cinemawins because I thought that they were made by the same cinemasins guys.

[@mr.suki2425]

@@fostena an understandable mistake hehe

[@ashhabimran239]

Virgin CinemaSins - 🤡 Chad CinemaWins - 🗿

[@Rhoslyn_y_Swynwraig]

You've actually made CinemaSins entertaining for me all without me having to add to their view count. Thank you.

[@OceanHedgehog]

CinemaSins is like every Jesse Eisenberg character - they think that if they talk quickly, they'll sound too smart to be second-guessed.

[@TheEwqua]

So like Ben Shapiro?

[@VanellopeSchweetz1]

TheEwqua But Ben Shapiro is actually smart and easy to understand if you listen.

[@tellurianapostle]

@@VanellopeSchweetz1 he is only smart when you're an idiot

[@LoLchilled09]

Britney Cave He sounds smart if you have no political knowledge. BE is, in fact, a disingenious grifter.

[@Lrripper]

@@VanellopeSchweetz1 He is smart to pick fights only with 18 years old undergrad, he was really dumb to try and have a real conversation with a real journalist tho. A fucking far right conservative even. What a baby, his fan are the worst.

[@minnetjes]

wow, like, i didn't expect them to research their "sins" but that stuff about moana is just ... so bad. like. wow. i actually feel embarrassed for them. "fake constellation" lmao

[@Sluppie]

That part is the most cringy. Like wow. Way to reveal your ignorance, Cinema Sins.

[@gennybaratta2460]

I watched their Coco video (i know big mistake) and they did the same shit with Mexican culture/traditions

[@shadowboxing7029]

Fake constellations that Polynesians used to navigate the Pacific for thousands of years, doh CinemaSins.

[@ghosty8193]

yeh. im part Maori and when i saw this video, i got upset that they said the constellation was fake

[@kylefrank638]

A F R E E C A N T I G U R Z

[@AlfredTortelloni]

"Hermione is too young to be hot" That was a cinema sin in the first four Harry Potter videos

[@SnobbyBird_]

Ooooh yea holy crap that’s actually really bad ☠️☠️

[@sage23ish]

These kinds of videos help me reprogram my brain. I'd been a fan of Cinema Sins for so long that I'd actively sit through movies I'd paid to see and find every possible reason to hate them. My ex girlfriend never wanted to go to the movies with me after we saw Hobbit 3. Even though the Hobbit trilogy is a testament to why Hollywood needs to stop torturing every last drop of entertainment out of any popular series, she didn't appreciate that I kept ranting about cliches and ex machinas during the film, and then kept talking about how much the movie sucked when we got dinner...with the other couple we were on a double date with. "Jerk of a boyfriend pays no attention to his girlfriend's feelings" cliche. *ding*

[@cjaquilino]

Ahhh, Cinema Sins. Breaking up relationships by turning people in pedantic jerks since 2012.

[@ardvarkill]

sage23ish I think you are too easily influenced by media you watch, remember we watch films for entertainment, although if hating on films gives you pleasure go hard I say.

[@sage23ish]

ardvarkill I definitely pay too much attention to what other people think when it comes to developing my taste, and I think that's a problem for most of my peers as well. Cinema Sins came about while I was vying for credibility in film nerd discussions in high school, and aligning my viewpoints with the "Everything Wrong With" videos kept me on track with the general consensus among my classmates: "movies are stupid, but you're not stupid if you understand why they're stupid." We weren't trying to hate these movies, we were trying to be better than them. I'm tired of trying to be better than people (especially women), so now I'm seeking out people who can challenge what remains of my adolescent insecurities and beliefs, for this will make me a better human being. Wow, I apologize for dumping my personal ethos on you ardvarkill, I've just never typed it out before... Hmmmm..... Reading *ding*

[@ardvarkill]

sage23ish No need to apologise for that, seeking out ideas and people that challenge your insecurities and beliefs is commendable and fun so I hope you enjoy yourself!

[@sage23ish]

ardvarkill Hey, thanks man! (Or woman, I don't know how aardvarks approach gender)

[@Liliquan]

“No, I wouldn’t think that’s weird. Because I actually watched the movie.” Completely sums up CinemaSins.

[@dalecal1129]

One thing I really hate about CinemaSins is the fact that 50% of their sins are basically just "The movie didn't beat me over the head with this info, therefore the info doesn't exist."

[@lyntonfleming]

And then "This movie is forcing this info down my throat." DING

[@whiterabbit75]

And the other half is, "What the hell is going on? Why won't the movie show me how this happened?"

[@gadrill4285]

The main issue for me is that they intentionally lie to make the movie look worse than it is. They're either doing that or they're just *really* stupid. Hard to tell.

[@yin3229]

But the channel is satire. If you are watching it for serious review and critique of movies then don't.

[@gadrill4285]

​@@yin3229 If you look at their comments you'll see people say "I'm so glad I watched this video, now I know not to watch the movie." So clearly a lot of people view CinemaSins as completely serious even though nobody should. Not to mention the fact that the narrator seems very adamant about the fact that their videos are made to highlight serious issues with filmaking. (I am aware the narrator also claims the channel is not serious, my assumption is he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.) "The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices" is the definition of satire. Notice how satire is a *form* of criticism and therefore criticism is necessary in satire (also they don't seem to use humor or irony and only rarely use exaggeration.) (Also claiming satire doesn't give you justification to lie about things just to make something seem worse. That's just called lying.)

[@sigmascrub]

Even if you take the Indian Ocean as a standalone thing, the chances of a space object landing in the Indian Ocean, is 1/8. It's more likely for a space object to land in the Indian Ocean than it is for you to be born in your birth month.

[@DuckInGameStop]

well technically the probability of me being born in my birth month was about 100%, given that my parents had sex 9 months before my birth month, and that's usually how long a pregnancy lasts. but yeah I see the point you were trying to make

[@yunghana7556]

@@DuckInGameStop Wrong. A pregnancy can end before 9 months in the form of a pre-mature birth.

[@zuresei]

@@DuckInGameStop i bet you felt real clever typing this one up. goofy!

[@harryc5595]

My problem with CinemaSins isn't the incorrect sins. It's the cookie cutter, trend surfing, low effort and lazy content that really pisses me off

[@TheMrVengeance]

The latter is pretty much what causes the former. _Gotta fill a 10 minute CinemaSin video with sins on [insert current trendy popular film], but oh.. what's that? The film is actually quite good and doesn't have many proper "sins"? Welp, better force some disingenuous ones in there to fill the time._

[@danielludwig647]

@@TheMrVengeance Exactly, and that's why their fans need to stop relying solely on the "it's a joke" defense. Because it's low-effort and poorly made, even if it were a joke. And bad comedy can absolutely be criticized for being badly constructed filler.

[@Mathematrix7]

Yes and making a complete mockery of fantastic art that many people put their hearts into that’s meant to be enjoyed as a cinematic experience, completely degraded and used selfishly by some idiot for a small chuckle

[@Mathematrix7]

By the way I’m not saying all the films they denigrate are art, but some of them surely are and it peeves me

[@WoHJosh]

I like cinema sins as a concept. Compiling all mistakes from a movie is interesting. However they actively make movies worse than they are. My guess is they dont research the movies enough, or make bullshit "sins" to get the video over 10mins. Probably both.

[@TealJosh]

They don't compile actual mistakes, with exeptions. They compile shitty hollywood cliches and make jokes about meaningless things, which is the joke.

[@coryc9040]

@@TealJosh many of the examples shown in this video do not make sense as jokes and are not critiques of cliches. They are just dumb lazy mistakes made by whoever compiles the "sins".

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

@@coryc9040 well there are a few actual mistakes like objects moving between cuts, or the tony stark mirror error for example... those are actual sins, the rest is clichees (which quite often are annoying, i give them that), opinion and stupid

[@coryc9040]

@@chrisakaschulbus4903 yeah I'm just replying to the previous comment about cinema sins having "jokes". Saying that something doesn't make sense when it is explicitly explained in the same movie, sometimes before the scene even takes place, can only be described as a mistake by cinema sins. There's no irony or humor in it. It's just lazy BS the writers put in there to take up time.

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

@@coryc9040 it seems like it's counting as a joke when you just say "that's racist", "x seconds of whatever logos" or "scene does not contain a lapdance"... and it's not like those where onetimers, no... you can be 98.78% sure, that you will encounter those "jokes" in a random CS-video

[@MideoKuze]

People fiercely defending cinema sins for perceived unfair criticism and fun-killing nitpicking are the greatest irony I have ever witnessed. Not a hint of self-awareness 😂

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

One is comedy, and the other is just being a wet blanket. Or it's also comedy and there's some over-arching meta humor in this comment section I wasn't informed of. Honestly cannot tell anymore. Are there really people upset about a channel whose entire existence revolves around 'take X movie and contrive 100 flaws for the lulz'?

[@kap1618]

I just don't like taking part in hate circle jerks. Kind if the reason i dont like Encyclopedia Dramatica. I love a good roast but people take that site seriously.

[@BeefWagon]

Your forced comment to make yourself feel better was so childish even Roy Moore wanted to date it 😂

[@vermis8344]

kap1618 Then why are you here?

[@vermis8344]

HitchensImmortal If there were no series like this, prompting gullible people to think about their terrible taste in youtube entertainment and backpedal with the lame 'it's just a joke!' defence, do you think they would automatically think that Cinemasins is 'just a joke'; or would they uncritically lap up all the misinformation and lies and think 'boy, Cinemasins sure know what they're talking about!'?

[@Xenotric]

"Portraying a fictional story in a visual-auditory medium? hah! thats like 50 sins!" I wouldnt mind cinema sins if they had any sort of consistency or humour to it.

[@cosmo_junk]

HELPPP

[@CmRoddy]

I've been tired of these guys for a long time, especially when they take genuinely good movies and nitpick so badly, and so poorly, that people comment on the video saying "Ah, thanks for letting me know NOT to watch this movie." It drives me crazy. I don't mind that people refrain from watching a good movie so long as their reasons are legitimate reasons for them, not nonsense spewed by crappy "satire," and incorrect information.

[@cassidymav]

CmRoddy Indeed! I've read comments such as: "so good I didn't go to the cinema to watch this" or "I had liked it but after watching this, it opened my eyes..." and these are quotes :( if it didn't had the impact it does on the way people relate to cinema, I wouldn't mind so much :( what kind of douche bag do you have to be to sin Citizen Cane, he's not even that bright to know how satire works.

[@benjaminzawilski]

This is the main problem with people who say, “People shouldn’t take them seriously!” and point to Jeremy and Chris calling themselves assholes as proof that they’re “just jokes.” When your channel has over seven million subscribers, it’s up to you, the creator, to take a bit of responsibility for what you say. If the viewer “misinterprets” joke criticism that you broadcast to those seven million people and more, mixed in with actual nitpicks, that’s your fault. And it’s a dangerous way to interact with the world

[@nicolinrucker5181]

I used to watch Cinema Sins... then they gave LotR a bunch of "it's a cliche" sins...

[@Jarejander69]

The real problem with Cinemasins is that it's "let me think for you" pretending to be satirical criticism.

[@skefsongames]

CmRoddy it’s a joke half the time they acknowledge that in their channel video???

[@possiblyannoyingvids]

Learning how bad cinema sins is is the true red pill

[@LimeyLassen]

In this moment I am woke

[@James.B.Russell]

not because of any phony Trump's executive order. But because, I am enlightened by my own liberalism

[@streeterville773]

The best comment thread

[@itsjustthemo]

"Orcs stolen from Tolkien" I assume Jeremy didn't bother to look up a wikipedia article on the origin of Orcs in mythology that reaches a Roman version of Hades named Orcus and the Anglo Saxon version of a French ogre which meant an evil spirit or monster. But hey, ding funny I guess

[@raymondkertezc364]

Orcs might have a long history but that doesn't mean all orcs are same, right? Voodoo zombies aren't same as modern rage virus zombies. So calling something "Tolkien orcs" seems as valid as calling something "Romero zombies" to me.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Especially when you reference high fantasy and orcs, you are probably basing them off of Tolkien-styled orcs.

[@TheAngryTrapezoid]

I do think it's fair enough to say that Tolkien more or less invented the modern fantasy concept of orcs but... The orcs in Warcraft are VERY different to the orcs of Middle Earth. Tolkien's orcs are brutal industrialists with no regard for the natural world, whereas Warcraft orcs are nomadic tribespeople with shamans that literally talk to the elements

[@alexlangenderfer6316]

For the Warcraft one, the orc isn't talking about knowing that humans as the enemy. He's referring to not knowing that the Fel is the enemy. They were fighting humans sure but that wasn't the true enemy.

[@xylin3683]

Cinema Sins: "Grass is orange" Other people: "No. Grass is green. You're wrong." CS: "It's satire and just a joke. Don't take it so seriously!" Wut. Where's the joke?

[@fernandotorrero779]

@Rudy Tucker grass ex machina cliche

[@fernandotorrero779]

@Rudy Tucker damn i've been bamboozeled again!

[@TheUltimateBastich]

CinemaSins is a joke.

[@Kushufy]

mattlines Satire and "jokes" are two different things. (not that I believe cinemasins is 100% satire)

[@NotaroName]

That's racist.

[@kirielbranson4843]

The Warcraft "sin" - they have been fighting humans as long as they can remember. But there was a time they didn't know who they were fighting. Because, halfway through fighting this unknown enemy they learned that they were humans. The lines don't contradict. For as long as we can remember human have been dying of cancer. But it was only a few hundred years since cancer was identified. There was a time we didn't know what we were dying of.

[@juniperrodley9843]

But how could you not know what a human is if you're fighting them? That's not like fighting cancer. Cancer is invisible to humans, of course we didn't know what it was before we had tech to identify it. Are humans invisible to orcs??

[@christophergreen6595]

UFO's. CHIMEARAS. These aren't even new concepts, the 'unknown devil/monster' has been killing us since we speciated.

[@christophergreen6595]

scythian steppe tribes bound their skulls at birth so they looked the the godsdamned 'predator'.

[@moosenman]

@@juniperrodley9843 No no- They didn’t have a *name* for it. That’s the point.

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@moosenman That still seems off. Why would they lack a word for something so important?

[@mikevides4494]

I started to notice a trend in the way people criticize movies a few years back, and I'm convinced that channels like CinemaSins did a lot to set the sort of lazy engagement people have when consuming films. People like controversy, so it's beneficial for channels like CinemaSins to exaggerate (or outright fabricate) plot holes, inconsistencies, and other "gotchas!" in film. People don't want to watch a 15 minute video where someone reviews the movie and says "it was ok - not terrible but it had some issue." They want to see movies either lauded as the best thing to ever happen, or see it panned as absolute utter fucking garbage. Anything more nuanced just doesn't get the traffic. So in catering to this desire for juicy takedowns, CinemaSins in particular created a sharp, pithy, and utterly vapid vocabulary for criticizing films. And I think the problem is really that people take that way of engaging with a film and copy it, because it sounds sharp and pithy at face value, and it's only when you take a couple of seconds to think about it that you see how vapid it really is. And I mean, it's really hard nowadays to have nuanced discussions about movies.

[@moscanaveia]

While I do see the point in your comment, I have to remark that the lazy way in which these guys try to fabricate controversy is so sub-standard that it honestly makes me wonder they have such a large following as they do.

[@cartercartercartercar]

it’s a trend in literally everything. debate nerd pedantry is the internet’s new religion

[@Purpleturtlehurtler]

I like watching them because it makes me want to rewatch the movie again and give it a thumbs up on whatever platform I watch it on.

[@IMayOrMayHaveNot]

No kidding. When I was still in Game Design college we had Marketing Oriented for Games as a subject, our professor had to warn us to be extremely careful towards which KZbin channel to send our game because this stupid trend was spreading. One of the worst cases my professor told us about was a board game (yes we also learn to make board games) in crowdfunding stages looking for exposure; it was a decent game, it had potential, and with the proper financing it could be fine tuned, but because the channel they asked to expose them jumped onto the nagging pedantry bandwagon, they reviewed it in a fashion that made it look terrible when it actually wasn't. Result? They ruined the game's chances at getting off the ground.

[@sweatyslapfight7900]

I feel like people like cinema sins are also the reason why some people don't try to think about theme or deeper meaning of art. So many people focus more on finding plot holes than anything else.

[@emilygordbort7300]

I get the feeling that like 80% of these were because he's reached that stage in a franchise where if he doesn't keep amping up the spectacle by picking out 300 sins per video at 40 minute run times, people might stop watching

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

He also sounds resentful of having to do his chosen job, just annoyed AF all the time.

[@reindeerage]

cinemasins are like the bullies in school who are also kind of stupid like they REALLY want to find something smart to rub in your face but their small brains just won't cooperate

[@Clawdragoons]

You're honestly painfully right about them being bullies. The reason I stopped watching them entirely was because at one point they had a "sin hotline" you could call in movie sins to. Then shortly thereafter they did a video where they played some people calling in sins and mocking them for caring so much about whatever movie they were discussing. It wasn't even lighthearted mocking, it came off as really mean-spirited. Which is honestly really terrible.

[@hypotheticaltapeworm]

No they're more like a terrible drawing of a cat that you think is a real cat, because they're so obviously being pedantic to waste your time and aren't being serious. At all.

[@a_literal_crow]

@@hypotheticaltapeworm Here comes another Cinemasins fan who doesn't know how satire works