Everything Wrong With CinemaSins - The Empire Strikes Back

[@quanhittersupreme6738]

Could you imagine what it would be like to apply CinemaSins' logic to real life? "It’s unbelievable this search and rescue team ACTUALLY found survivors of an earthquake when Earth is so big!"

[@TheNiggler17]

How is the earth round? That’s never explained.

[@excrubulent]

@@TheNiggler17 CinemaSins believes in flat-earth, confirmed.

[@laffy7204]

Someone found something cliche. That deserves two sins!

[@tinevodopivec9692]

@@laffy7204 "The police arrested 3 murderers yesterday. Police ex machina."

[@yorg3742]

Remember, it's "just them being SaTiRiCaL and fUnNy"

[@trickpixel]

"If you'd watched ...the movie with ...your eyes and registered the information ....with your brain, you'd know this..."

[@missk6233]

This sentence just sums up Cinemasins in one go.

[@degrassi420]

I had an issue with that joke, in that the sin was really referencing the fact that there are no other ships in the shot of Luke flying away.

[@maxrichards3881]

@@degrassi420 Jeremy didn't make that clear, so he gets a sin for BEING TOO VAGUE.

[@toribiogubert7729]

@@maxrichards3881 ding

[@Alysa-Aiday]

9:20 "Luke survived this crash" SAYS THE GUY LITERALLY SHOWING LUKE UNDOING THE SAFETY STRAPS THAT PREVENTED HIM BREAKING HIS FREAKING NECK!!!!!!

[@speedracer-uv1ii]

“He can do it. You can tell because he does it” is objectively the funniest thing anyone has ever said.

[@Alysa-Aiday]

My theory; His saber is buried in snow. Coupled with the fact he's about to be eaten, he's not exactly of clear, sound mind, to apply his full concentration. Of course it's going to take awhile for him to get his saber and save himself.

[@riirah1010]

"This is an aspen tree. You can tell it's an aspen because of the way that it is"

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

​​@@riirah1010 "they’re called horses because that's what animal they are"

[@King-of-Corvids]

​@@Alysa-Aidayhe's also hanging upside down and freezing

[@Alysa-Aiday]

​@@King-of-Corvids: And anyone with enough brain cells - *_Jeremy of CinemaSins doesn't count because he's too busy fantasizing about making 10 year old Hermione scream while he does...._* - knows that upside-down means more blood goes to the head which is gonna make him feel faint or dizzy as well.

[@miketaterparker]

"How did CinemaSins forget that the Falcon's hyderdrive was damaged, even though they mentioned it in previous sins?" Amnesia-ex-machina!

[@Arkain89]

Now that's actual, well-done satire.

[@randyohm3445]

...cliche

[@b0by1]

Satire-ex-machina cliche

[@OrgaNik_Music]

in a random spot where R2D2 just happens to be

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

*Ding*

[@NonsenseFabricator]

Love it when the day is fortuitously saved by my riding animal dying which leaves me stranded in the cold

[@hazukichanx408]

Also, "Tuantaun Ex Machina" would literally translate to something like, "Tauntaun From The Machine". As I recall, the term Deus Ex Machina originally referred to an actor portraying a deity being hoisted into the air by ropes and pulleys - that is to say, early theater machinery. The deity would then typically resolve a bunch of conflicts in one go, which is presumably where the association between that occurrence and the term itself, came from. But yes. The dead riding animal is hardly resolving conflicts... nor coming from any sort of machine, theatrical or otherwise. (Unless they're referring to the creature puppetry stuff I presume they were doing back before CGI was much of a thing? Probably not, eh?)

[@bumfricker2487]

maybe they believe the Tauntaun just appeared out of nowhere to provide a warm shelter? You know, as though Han didn't just ride it to that point for the past 5 minutes of the scene? Would track with the rest of the "sins" in the video.

[@danieldelavega7605]

The other thing about the torture scene is that you see Lando being genuinely unhappy about it, which conveys to us that he does in fact care about Han, he's not just a heartless POS. Then he argues with Vader and gets shut down, so we see that he's locked into the situation, and we know he's telling the truth to Han later. This is not only *not* bad writing, it is impeccably good writing. These sins make my head hurt.

[@joesycamore2899]

Not only that but if they showed the torture scene it might not have got the rating it did

[@maxrichards3881]

Even when I was a dumb kid, I felt no resentment towards Lando for a single thing he did in Empire. The movie shows countless times that he had no choice. Hell, during the year between 5 & 6, he joined the rebel alliance out of respect for Han, and he rose to the rank of General within just that 1 year.

[@Alysa-Aiday]

Not to mention, that scene was *After* (The Future) the scene Luke saw the vision he did. So, it adds weight, and tension, to the scene of Yoda & Obi-Wan saying: "Patience", and Luke going: "They're my friends, they're in danger, I have to help them!"

[@hazukichanx408]

I feel like I randomly watched some CinemaSins some years ago, just to see what it was... and for much these same reasons, I disliked it so much that I ignore-listed the channel and forgot it even existed. Seriously, I was vaguely convinced that I still hadn't actually seen any of their content until I saw Shaun's Fury Road commentary of it and I was like, "Oh wait, I _do_ kind of recognize this... weird." I guess sometimes amnesia _does_ work in one's favor! =D

[@TOMMYDACOMMIE]

So cinima sins is basically a child that keeps asking what happens in a movie before the movie can even give an answer.

[@goORIOLES236]

Tom Atkinson It's more like a kid asking what happens out loud AS the information is being explained, and then complains about them not explaining anything.

[@peterumathum4903]

Brian Tully and then says he was just joking

[@PaperMario64]

Tom Atkinson basically

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

Tom Atkinson Not entirely they also keep asking what is happening for scenes that have been thoroughly explained in earlier in the movie as well.

[@aceshighdueceslow]

this...honestly makes a lot of sense, and I also say this because I was one of those kids. I didn't do it in theatres but that was also because my parents threatened I wouldn't be allowed to go if I wouldn't shut up and just watch the movie.

[@PirateGamingFTW]

It is a cliché though. Don't you remember in Lord of the Rings when the balrog is chasing the fellowship in the mines they run directly by a random spot that r2-d2 just so happens to be. Or in Die Hard when Bruce Willis is shooting the bad guys and just so happens to run by a spot that r2-d2 is conveniently in. I mean, that cliché is so overused in films.

[@Flaris]

Yeah, R2-D2 is everywhere in films. It's a very common cliche.

[@HiDefHDMusic]

*Samuel Jackson

[@theuncalledfor]

Or in Attack of the Clones, where R2 and 3PO are in the geonosian droid factory, and R2 _conveniently_ just runs into R2 exactly when he needed him!

[@joesycamore2899]

@@theuncalledfor Attack of the Clones was made years after Empire so the cliché applies to that film not this one

[@theuncalledfor]

@@joesycamore2899 *_WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH_*

[@Andlekin]

"He can do it. You can tell because he does it..." Love it.

[@ShizoMoses]

06:50 is my unambiguous favourite. Especially the little afterthought "Look at the size of it!" - The utter disbelief in Shaun's voice is priceless. I laugh at it without fail every time I watch it.

[@Saycille]

I appreciate you covering cinemasins over sexualization of women. I used to watch cinema sins as a teenage girl, and I remember how bad the recurring sin “scene does not include a lap dance” made me feel.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

That's a recurring bit? That's....pretty gross.

[@Ralph-yn3gr]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Yep. It's one of their go-to "jokes." I used to watch them when they only did bad movies that the format actually kinda sorta worked with and it approached a "once per episode" thing.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

Yeah, and if you talk about how it made you feel that way, you’ll get accused of being some kind of “sjw feminist.” I mean:…I’m a straight guy, and I’m getting so sick of dudes who act like entitled pigs towards women. 😣

[@varishehe]

@@Pretermit_Soundof course not all women who feel that way are ‘sjw feminists’ but being a feminist isn’t a bad thing! It’s just about gender equality. :)

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@@varishehe exactly

[@split-n-wigs-4748]

So not only did he sexualize a silent look across the room, that was a sin just because

[@Enzie-bw4bn]

HashSlinging Slasher they can’t comment on the movie without a ding

[@xycubed]

Alex Turner: They totally can comment on the movie without a ding, because they occasionally do--saying stuff like "that's not a sin, I just had to say it" or even taking sins off for something that particularly appeals to them. No excuses.

[@andymac4883]

MathMage I think the lack of consistency may be a deliberate part of the whole 'satire' thing at this point. Not to say that I think it's good, just deliberate.

[@jjj7790]

+andymac4883 Its far more likely that the lack of consistency is because they are lazy and they explained that 'satire' was the reason later to save face. Occam's razor and all that.

[@ELFanatic]

+andymac4883 Andy, you are trying to hard to defend them. They're just stretching out their videos with false info to generate more money.

[@gnomeyMTG]

"If you watched the movie with your eyes and registered the information with your brain you'd know that." hahaha great line

[@Telsion]

but reality

[@peppermillers8361]

"OMGhow han find Luke?" scene was my favorite. This was a close second.

[@LeepoyIfurung]

Andrew Mertes Best Comment Ever!

[@NonsenseFabricator]

I remember in the Wizard of Oz when the rest of the good guys ran directly by a random spot R2-D2 just happened to wind up.

[@tux1468]

Ah man, that reminds me of that scene in Casablanca where the rest of the good guys ran directly by a random spot R2-D2 just happened to wind up! What a classic.

[@riirah1010]

​@@tux1468 I love these comments so much

[@donalddaube2991]

This reminded me that Mythbusters did a segment testing whether a creature's body heat and a makeshift shelter could keep two guys alive over night in subzero conditions. They even stacked the odds by chilling their dummies before testing. And neither dropped to fatal or even damaging temperatures the whole time. Maybe Cinema Sins ought to do some research first.

[@maxrichards3881]

They actually tested that in their Star Wars special (along with New Hope’s Grappling Hook and ROTJ’s Ewok Log trap), and all of the myths were confirmed or plausible.

[@TheCheat_1337]

I love these videos, the sole redeeming aspect of CinemaSins is that they've spawned these takedowns from yourself and other YTbers that are much funnier and much more insightful. Watching you rebut some of these idiotic "sins" actually makes me appreciate the writers of the film more.

[@Snagprophet]

I think CinemaSins was accepted as part of a movie's life cycle and culture. You get the trailers, the hype, the release, the reviews, the discussions, then finally when it's on DVD you get the CinemaSins video and the Honest Trailer come out together.

[@darksideofevil13]

And HISHE. The only one that's still good.

[@Cool70sfreak]

"Is something wrong with your brain? I think all of you are a rare breed of human: one that has no brain cells and no friends. :(" Considering they have proper grammar and construct rational comments about how CinemaSins have been wrong multiple times more than once, using the video that was just shown to demonstrate their point, I think they're not the ones lacking brain cells. Also, I think a person who replies to comments just to tell the people who made them they have no friends (which you can't possibly know for sure) is more likely to have no friends.

[@bobloblaw418]

HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THINGS ABOUT ANDREW ESCOBEDO! nah im just messing/predicting how these things usually go down. wrt the original video, I think cinemasins just do what they do badly. And Shaun is demonstrating how bad it can be. It's a great concept and I haven't seen any "classic" cinemasins but they were probably alright once upon a time, then receded into stupid badly made horseshit when they realised there was no real need for them to try. There are no two words more dangerous than good job

[@Arkatox]

darksideofevil13 I love HISHE, because they actually love the movies they satirize. And it shows by watching the videos. You can tell they’re just joking around instead of genuinely mocking the films. And it’s, y’know, actually hilarious.

[@GettyBB]

'He can do it, you can tell... because he does it' :D

[@blackmachine312]

It's legit when you think about it. They never say what the force can and cant do. It was the same explanation Ben gave when talking about jedi mind trick.

[@dominodamsel]

i love this video because it feels like im watching the movie with both these guys, and one is on his phone and keeps looking up only to ask confused questions about the film, and the other tries his best to keep calm while explaining everything in detail with endless patience.

[@OmegaRockman]

15:41 In addition to what you said, it's also revealed in Return of the Jedi thst Yoda didn't think it was bad that Luke knew, but that he knew before he completed his training, matured and could handle the gravity of the situation. "Not ready for the burden were you," he says. It's almost like this movie is part of a grander, multi-movie story or something.

[@danieljohnkirby9412]

4:17 One of my favorite things to do with CinemaSins is imagine the alternate CinemaSins video they would have made had the movie been different. This is a really great example because if Luke could just effortlessly force pull the lightsaber they'd be saying "What? All of a sudden Luke can MOVE THINGS WITH HIS MIND!? When did he learn that force power? Especially with Obi Wan dead since the last movie!"

[@HunterJs2]

"[Tauntauns] aren't much bigger than humans." Is Jeremy like 8'11"?

[@jacobs2099]

Yes. He is an antifa supersoldier after all

[@stpbasss3773]

New hes a skinny bitch lmao I've seen his picture a couple times on birdmans videos and he looks exactly like you'd think

[@JabAtLife]

I didn't know they stacked shit that high

[@maxrichards3881]

@@jacobs2099 No, he's an anti-antifa superidiot.

[@MF-R]

Suprise twist; He's really a sasquatch. It would explain his limited ability to interpret movies.

[@kierank2505]

The worst isn't just that they're wrong, but HOW wrong they are. Like they genuinely couldn't be more wrong in pointing out mistakes that aren't there or things that are directly contradicted by the ACTUAL VERBAL EXPOSITION IN THE SCRIPT.

[@Caelinus]

Yeah it is not even implications that they miss. They straight up ignore *explicit* explaination and dialogue. Not yo mention that they seem to completely misunderstand what visual storytelling is in general. It is like the thing where they describe what is happening in a scene as if it was a mistake. It is like they think something else was supposed to happen rather than the thing that actually happened, so it must be wrong. Like the angry guy firing at nothing in Mad Max. It feels like they expected him to behave rationally, for some reason, and so the fact that he was not rational was a mistake. It misses the entire point of the scene, which was just visual language literally telling you he was angry and irrational. It is just mind boggling to me. They are either too dumb and lazy to understand film, or they are just even more *extra* lazy and would rather lie than put in work finding real criticism.

[@aionicthunder]

Honestly, this could work if the fact that it is wrong is made clear to the viewer, because, between all the incorrect comments and jokes that don’t say anything about the movie, there are some legitimate criticisms made. The problem is that no distinction is made between serious criticism and incorrect observations for the sake of comedy for satire to work. Shaun does this way better by clearly spelling out when he’s being sarcastic through the footage of the movie he shows

[@sosayweall_jpg]

Because CinemaSins is whatever the hell they wanna do god dammit! Think the criticisms are wrong? DUH IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE! Don't think it's funny? YOU DON'T GET IT! Think the whole idea is obnoxious and lame? WHAT A LIBTARD SJW PC THOUGHT POLICE YOU MUST BE

[@Estarile]

Honestly, it could have been a very funny channel if it was basically a 'live reaction'. Like if they had them actually recanting and interacting with the flow. Like they react (wrongly), the movie immediately clarifies because that's how movies work, and then the narrator goes "oh". Or if there was a second narrator doing what Shaun is doing.

[@redlightmax]

16:48 "Put it together, guys. For fuck's sake." This is the closest that I've heard Shaun get to being angry, and he still sounds chill as fuck.

[@MadLoversCosplay]

4:27 "He CAN do it. You can tell because...he DOES it." I nearly stood up and clapped like that GIF of Orson Welles. In fact, I was so thrilled by this hilarious line that I was tempted to go put on a tux and stand and applaud so that I could be the real-life version of that GIF. Seriously...your videos are amazing.

[@kookiespace]

I feel so ashamed for ever liking CInemaSins

[@AmikaChill]

Well they used to be better

[@OrgaNik_Music]

No they didn't.

[@leavy]

Our LetsBlack only when you liked them, seriously watch their stuff from whenever you still watched, it’s all garbage and we’re all easily pleased piglets

[@AmikaChill]

@@leavy fuck. They tricked me when i was little

[@dragonstormx]

Don't feel ashamed, there is no shame in liking something that you realize later is bad.

[@suezuccati304]

"This children's movie doesn't shows animals eating their own children so they don't starve, _ding!_ " -Cinema Sins, probably.

[@OlOleander]

14:00 Hm, Yoda seems really hesitant about teaching an impatient, undisciplined outsider who's too old, almost like if the last time he went against his better judgement and allowed EXACTLY THAT TO HAPPEN, IT BROUGHT ABOUT THE FALL OF THE JEDI ORDER

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

And to that last Jedi, this new kid looks similar; related, might they be?

[@rachitgupta8345]

in hindsight yes, but when star wars didnt span beyond the trilogy all this was never planned, george wasnt even sure if he will make a second movie

[@OlOleander]

@@rachitgupta8345 yes yes, we know, shh

[@jakek1735]

"He CAN do it. You can tell because... he does it." is my favorite part from any of these videos

[@timcollins7108]

This is why I'm thankful for KZbin's "Never Suggest This Channel to Me Again" feature. It mostly works. Tagged CinemaSins with that real quick

[@John190assman]

Wait theres a feture for that? WHERE? No, seriously where? *I NEED IT!*

[@aliciad270]

put your mouse over the video on your recommended, click the three dots on the corner, click "not interested". Then, it will have an option for undo and tell us why, click tell us why, and you'll see the option

[@PSYCHOBEVO]

KZbin really needs to just let us block channels entirely.

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

Christ on fire! Is there any similar option for the KZbin APP?

[@leavy]

shitkickertv do the same thing

[@MKhelobUltra]

People seem to defend CS on the basis that it's just "satire". Of what, nitpicky reviewers? Let's say that's what they're doing, even in that case, they'd still be wrong because nitpicks are not misinformation, nitpicks are looking for small flaws in things, be it technicalities, little differences in make up from one scene to the other, how something that wouldn't work in real life works on a work of science fiction, etc. CS just straight up spreads misinformation among nitpicks for no apparent reason other than make a movie seem worse than it actually is. Also, if you look at Jeremy's "review" vlogs on his personal channel, most of the things that people defend as "satire" from the EWW videos come up in the supposedly "legitimate" reviews he makes, so it's clearly not a self-aware thing he's doing, unless his review vlogs are also satire of people who review movies in their cars on the way back from a movie.

[@dyrnwynski]

I'm not sure how it's supposed to qualify as satire. It's some of the least direct and least effective satire ever if that's the case. At no point does cinema sins sound like it's making fun of other reviewers. It's making fun of movies. Cinema Sins isn't bad it's just not a thoughtful experience. It's a personal one. It's about what the writer experiences watching the movie. It's presented as though it's an academic series (the internet assumes most things are anyway) but really it's not.

[@OsirisLord]

Cinema Sins can't be a satire because its format is unique. Cinema Sins could be said to be a joke in that you're not supposed to take it seriously but it does nothing to present itself as such. In fact by calling itself Cinema "Sins" it implies a sort of objectivity and criticism towards itself. As in there are things that a movie can do that is objectively wrong and it can be measured, resulting in a score that is indicative of its quality. Doesn't that sound like a review?

[@JammyD2579]

I kind of love that Everything Wrong With initialises to "eww"

[@chuckwagon3718]

They're behind so many layers of irony that their brains have rot away.

[@tomb4250]

Derek Trenka i get your point but I prefer cinemawins and bobvids. Why watch something thats bashing something you love with terrible jokes and mistakes in a series based on pointing out mistakes. thats a far cry from beeing funny. And last but not least the whole concept makes me sick. they pull a clickbait 101 by bashing on popular good movies and making a shit ton of money with it. thats the only sin and they can ding it themselves.

[@spenser9908]

CinemaSins isn't satire. Nerd Crew by RedLetterMedia is actual satire. CinemaSins uses the "satire" excuse as a way to avoid admitting fault. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

[@maxrichards3881]

So, they're the French aristocrats.

[@jasonfenton8250]

Nerd Crew was the first satire of online movie reviewers, it broke new ground.

[@JamesKlemm87]

RLM did a CS parody during a Half in the Bag episode too, it last 60 seconds and it was still the best takedown of their schtick as they exposed how insanely easy it is to make low quality content like that.

[@antipsychotic451]

@@jasonfenton8250 IT BROKE NEW GROUND

[@MKhelobUltra]

I think the reason CinemaSins thinks the tauntaun's death is a deus ex machina is because it dying gives han somewhere safe to put luke during the cold. which, obviously doesn't make sense because if the tauntaun was still alive han wouldn't need to put luke somewhere warm. that or he thinks it means something that happens randomly

[@PlutoTheSecond]

Colton Burpo If the tauntaun had lived, Han would have tried to carry Luke on it, but wouldn't have made it back in time. Luke was fading away so fast that he would have died if not for the warmth of the tauntaun coat.

[@HisRoyalFreshness163]

Then Han would have killed the Tauntaun and the scene would play out like it does normally. Either way it's not a deus ex machina and is not worth mentioning.

[@Snagprophet]

The thing is it doesn't matter because he set up a shelter a few seconds later, it could just have been Han panicking and doing whatever. He could've just took out his heater and put it next to luke while he layed on the snow while setting up the shelter.

[@kierank2505]

No matter how we look at it, CinemaSins is so wrong we can't even find a way they can be right hypothetically 🙃 Which is kinda sad

[@andymac4883]

Also the tauntaun dying doesn't even come out of nowhere; it's repeatedly stated that the conditions outside the base after dark are too cold. Before Han leaves one rebel officer even straight up says "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker!" That should be a pretty memorable line, since it immediately precedes "Then I'll see you in Hell!"

[@shane_kai1983]

“This is very basic information we’re getting from the movie directly- So I can see how CinemaSins managed to miss it” 😂

[@maxwellschmidt235]

The very first "Everything wrong with ____" were pretty good because they were less than five minutes and hit things that at least weren't a mockery of viewership. My theory is that two things happened. Ad revenue for longer videos was too sweet to ignore, and they asked Molyneux what a cliche was.

[@TwoHatsHegemon]

He probably also used to be more careful about what he put in as a "sin." As time went on and he saw success he must've thought he was some enlightened cinema genius so every little thought must go into the video because he thought it and he's a genius.

[@inazumarai7690]

​@@TwoHatsHegemoni recently watched all the harry potter movies and KZbin recommended the cinemasins videos on them. every. single. one. had a weird comment saying "hermione isn't old enough to be hot yet." not only is it just... weird - what does that even mean, and why does it deserve a sin? never watching them again, they'll say anything and go ding

[@MrTeniguafez]

0:30 Hearing Shaun almost lose his temper is a spiritual experience

[@jacktadash]

Ryan George is a great example of how you can mock every movie without mindlessly hating on good films put of desperation. The difference between a pitch meeting for a "good" or "bad" movie is distinct but both are still funny.

[@ajerqureshi6411]

There's even a moment in the canon Star Wars comics where before the events of Empire Strikes Back, Vader hires Boba Fett to learn about the pilot that destroyed the Death Star. When he gets the name "Luke Skywalker," you see him clench his fist in anger and crack the space window, implying he not only knows who Luke Skywalker is, he is also super pissed about it.

[@yusean7228]

CinemaSins is basically /r/iamverysmart with movies, good on you to call bullshit on these hacks

[@Tymbus]

CinemaSins is just another example where nit-picking and negative criticism gives viewers of a channel a smug sense of superiority over film makers who are masively more talented than they are

[@Spacemonkey_Mafia]

My interpretation of the “Son of Anakin Skywalker” scene has always been that Vader is “playing dumb” because he found out Luke’s name well before the Emperor did. Great video, Shaun!

[@HarryS77]

"Because apparently I hate myself and my time is worthless." That probably describes a quarter of my activity on youtube.

[@smoni19]

"He can do it... you can tell, because he does it" lol

[@drxshock6957]

so that's two main channels now who's tearing apart CinemaSins thank you Shaun and bobvids

[@BarOlogyExam]

Herobrinedanny playz official. Tearing apart? How? The views would disagree

[@kristobaz2474]

implying that view count somehow discredits the nature of the video

[@skalty9868]

Loyalty Or Nothing if I make a video going through every single video on cinema sins channel and pointed out everything in the videos that was wrong, but no one watched it, I’d still be ripping them apart.

[@aionicthunder]

Well, there’s 4 now: the two you already mentioned, Th3 Birdman and Jay Exci’s SinSins

[@maxrichards3881]

Jay exci and th3birdman then joined in.

[@abloodraven3856]

On 8:18, funnily enough, it's implied that Vader *did* give Ozzel orders not to do that. It's just that Ozzel ignored Vader's order because he's both arrogant and incompetent, and thought that speed was more important. It's kind of why Vader was so pissed off.

[@DrJReefer]

He is as clumsy as he is stupid

[@maxrichards3881]

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

[@robertdeelen6685]

Just because I think its funny, the scene where Luke gets "unconcious" and stands up again... That actually happened to a friend of mine. It was a long night of partying and when she walked home, she fell asleep for a second or two while walking. When she woke up again she saw the floor coming closer and hitting her face. In Germany we call it "Sekundenschlaf" or second sleep. I think the english word is microsleep. Its a normal thing with heavy exhaustion. You just nod off for a few seconds and then wake up again (thats why you shouldnt drive while being dead tired, it can kill you). So, even if cinema sins had gotten the scene right, they would have been wrong....

[@ItWasSaucerShaped]

The leave in the swears and bleep them out to bring attention to them. Something I learned from watching a making of doc about the Ozzy Osbourne reality TV show: Ozzy loved the censored version, because the constant bleeping called-out how often they swore, whereas the non-censored version simply lets the audience become so accustomed to the language that it loses its shock value.

[@Sunbun97]

How do people not see the hypocrisy of getting mad over this video. He's doing the same thing as cinema sins but with actual comedy and facts.

[@johnkapp849]

is cinemasins the guy who spends the entire movie leaning over asking, "now who's that guy? why is he here?" etc.

[@zirkalda9502]

Taking Cinemasins to task is something that I’m always down for. The fact that it’s over their Empire Strikes Back video is just a bonus.

[@somethingelse4424]

Cinema sins is 19 year old me trying to be MST3K and ending up just upsetting everyone in the room trying to have a nice time. I'm ashamed for us both.

[@garethsheard7413]

Your dry humour is fucking brilliant!

[@ulture]

all British people are trained from birth in the ways of dry humour, like Jedi

[@ryanshotison3394]

If Cinemasins watched a whole movie, and corrected sins that were resolved by a later scene, and didn't cherry pick lines to remove the context for the purpose of pretending the film did something wrong, they wouldn't be able to make a channel with optimum length videos for KZbin.

[@chimeraaaaa_]

you can take 80% of the words out and it's still true if cinemasins watched a whole movie, they wouldn't be able to make videos for youtube

[@vertibelle]

Everything Wrong With Moana 10000% confirms the "Cinemasins has a problem with women" comment

[@acathosh]

People like CinemaSins are part of the reason we have Disney remakes focused on realistic renders rather than telling a good story.

[@tregard]

"Look at the size of it!" *bursts out laughing*

[@LvLupXD]

I have laughed at these vid more than I have laughed at CinemaSin's vids

[@soullinks]

LvLupXD has someone ever laughed in a cinemasins video

[@enyinnayakamalu5232]

Soul Links I laughed

[@Baconnoodles]

How do you laugh at cinema sins that’s physically impossible

[@GermanLeftist]

Baconnoodles 1738 Well, then I defied physics. Get I get a cookie or something like that for it?

[@aeamekjr]

@@GermanLeftist physics?

[@SacridFire]

Also with that last sin... does he literally not know that there are multiple Rebel Cells across the galaxy that coordinate with each other? Did he seriously think their entire goddamn army was on Hoth?

[@maxrichards3881]

@DrPeePeePooPoo He pursues the protagonists because Luke is with them. Is that not obvious to you?

[@AdrianWoodUK]

Oh man, please, more of these!

[@GENIUSGT]

Great video. Also how the fuck is "Walt Disney" a "sin"?

[@GENIUSGT]

***** Oh.

[@sangieredwolf]

We are stretching the meaning of "joke" a bit too far here.

[@Vincent_Beers]

He's making satirical pop culture references. If you know them, they are funny and you recognize them as jokes. The problem (for some) is that they do not have the decades of pop culture experience to get all the references and than come the complaints like "we are stretching the definition of a joke" or "that's not funny". It's not funny to you because you aren't in on it. I've personally watched several thousand movies in my lifetime (I own more than 2,000) and even for me it can be hard to keep up with some of his more obscure comments.

[@jizzmatic2000]

The reference isn't obscure, and it just doesn't make sense to call it a sin. That's the problem. If they just peppered in commentary and jokey jokes here and there, that's fine, but why register something like "Walt Disney" as a sin? It's infuriatingly baffling.

[@jacobkosh]

I have more decades of pop culture experience than the CinemaSins guys and yet I'm not laughing. Perhaps this is because humor actually requires setup, a punchline, and a point.

[@djangofett4879]

CINEMASINS: MOST PUNCHABLE VOICE

[@dan4lau]

haha He has hasn't he?

[@vecvecvec]

never seen shaun genuinely angry before its honestly quite fun

[@LoudWaffle]

CinemaSins doesn't know that night time is colder than day time, which is fucking hilarious.

[@freetrader0000]

Comedy doesn't work if the premise is false. If you see a rooster and jokingly say "why did the chicken cross the road?", but it's not crossing any road, and there is no road, and it's not even a chicken, then there is no joke.

[@aforcemorepowerful]

I love how angry Shaun gets in this.

[@Chidulo]

I repeat Cinemasins: “put her there” *reaches out for hand shake Guy: “im blind” Cinemasins: “Blind guy ex machina”

[@Jrez]

Imagine having the gall to "sin" a movie for things you're just outright incorrect about.

[@TrueYellowDart]

Re: the mysterious torture done on Han, a “legends” book explained that the device activates pain receptors in the victim. So even though it’s technically not doing damage to Han, it’s making his body and brain *think* that he’s experiencing massive trauma. And like Han said, it wasn’t even an interrogation - it was probably some kind of Luke-bait, creating very strong distress to a loved one can sometimes be sensed by Force users. Han’s torture might even have been a component of Luke’s vision that he had on Dagobah, where his friends are in danger and “in pain”. If so, that’s some 4-dimensional chess that Vader is working there.

[@alexblack8660]

It's been a while since I've laughed so hard.

[@gaelwynmackwyn]

With all the sympathies I have for your political stuff and hbomberguy's stuff and whatever, this is the most satisfying content on KZbin.

[@maxrichards3881]

Especially with the iconic lack of emotion in his tone, which makes what he says stand out even more.

[@dastrangla]

Please do more, they have ton's of ammunition for you.

[@ThisCommentWroteItself]

I'm not complaining that Shaun decided to focus mostly on politics in his videos, but I think if he had chosen to be a snarky comedian, he would've been really good at it

[@aydinbiber7616]

"Other than all of that... Who knows what he did" Comed gold

[@deskish3930]

Sorry you have to deal with the man-baby fanbase of cinemasins

[@LacunaIntroRiot]

Watching Shaun watching CinemaSins watching Star Wars V is just fantastic. I know from your later videos that you dont want to do these again but damn this is funny commentary on your side 😅

[@jjmah7]

The cinema sins narrator’s voice is pure diarrhea to the ear.

[@souler__]

Let's not be petty and delusional, his voice is average.

[@DenerWitt]

@@souler__ it's pretty annoying

[@Everik-ct6pg]

Especially when he laughs *HERHERHERHERHEHR*

[@stpbasss3773]

@@souler__ Petty and delusional???? Jeremy sounds like a butthurt SJW who talks insanely fast.

[@zachfakelastname]

@@stpbasss3773 wow, someone is on the wrong channel.

[@baiwatch1]

You could have an entire channel of just this.

[@mightyNosewings]

To be fair to them wrt to the scene with the Emperor, they're reviewing the "new and improved" version with the Emperor's lines voiced-over. The movie makes less sense than it did before -- we've heard Darth Vader refer to Luke as "Skywalker" before, and he's been pursuing Luke singlemindedly throughout the whole movie, so it does seem odd that the Emperor would even have to say "this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker". That should have been settled long ago; and indeed, in the original version, the Emperor just says "the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi." Lucas fucked his own movie up, and as a result it makes less sense than it did originally.

[@Spar10Leonidas]

Not to mention, Vader responds by saying "How is this possible?" in the new version, which doesn't make any sense for a couple of reasons: 1) Why was he so bent on finding Luke up to that point if he didn't already know that he was his son? I know that he wanted to turn him to the Dark Side, but that goal makes more sense when he is aware of his relation to Luke than it would if Vader simply thought that Luke was some random Force-sensitive fighting in the Rebellion. He's killed plenty of Jedi since the events of _Revenge of the Sith,_ so Luke wouldn't really be any different in that regard. 2) This seems to contradict other canon material (which, to be fair, was released after Lucas made this version; the original version of this scene fits the new canon material much better). There's a comic where we learn that Vader encountered Luke in a brief lightsaber battle between the events of _A New Hope_ and _The Empire Strikes Back,_ where Vader recognizes Luke's lightsaber and tasks Boba Fett with finding out who he is; Fett tells him that the Rebel's name is "Skywalker," and Vader realizes right then and there that it must be his son. The only explanation that I can think of as to why Vader would respond that way is to play dumb with the Emperor in regard to the fact that he already knew. But, if that's the case, the original dialogue fit that explanation much better. And, in this version, I don't know why Vader would bother. The cat's clearly out of the bag. Plus, in _Return of the Jedi,_ the Emperor seemed surprised to learn that Vader had a son, and that scene is still in the most recent version of _Return of the Jedi._

[@Kwijiboz]

mightyNosewings Vader is acting on his own, he wants to find Luke without the emperor knowing so he acts like he doesn't know. It's like in ROTJ when Vader can sense Luke but the emperor can't and asks Vader if he's not thinking about betraying him

[@skalty9868]

Spar10Leonidas it’s made fairly clear Vader IS playing dumb in that comic you mentioned, but also he’s pursuing Luke because he can tell he’s strong in the force and blew up the whole Death Star. He knows he’s powerful, relation or not

[@maxrichards3881]

@@Kwijiboz Precisely. Vader says in the “I am your father” scene that “together we can overthrow the emperor, and rule the Galaxy as father and son”.

[@Kwijiboz]

@@maxrichards3881 Exactly! that was his original plan.

[@JabAtLife]

8:22 that part had me chuckling at how you described Vader's occupation

[@Snagprophet]

07:11 How does CinemaSins not hear him say "I'm going to set up a shelter", granted we never see it whether it's a tent or something but I'd be surprised if whatever shelter he had didn't have some kind of heater to keep them all warm like a durable campfire or something. Then he assumes luke was in the tauntaun all night and Han was sat in the snow all night.

[@independentrecord1739]

7:04 It always seemed to me that Han hasn't really exerted himself by this point, and is still in relatively peak condition. Whereas Luke keeps slipping in and out of consciousness, and thus can't take care of himself. Luke needs warmth/shelter to survive cause he's in danger and has been out in the cold for a lot longer than Han has. I bet Han could probably go for quite a bit longer before he absolutely must have shelter, whereas Luke cannot.

[@grindorblackout1986]

3:38 Jeremy...you do realize that it gets much colder in the arctic at night, right? That's why they're closing the doors, because it's getting darker out. Not even just the arctic, either. I live in Ontario, and last year it hit -50 with the windchill a few nights in February during the cold snap, while it was about -11 during the day. Even if people could survive out in the open, exposed to the elements during the day with the sun shining, night time is a different story. It can drop a full season in temperature overnight. The snowspeeders might work fine during the day where it's -20 in the sunlight, but their fuel might coagulate or the moving parts might seize up when it hits -80 at night. Diesel starts to gel around zero, which makes it clog fuel systems unless you adapt whatever is using it to keep it from getting too cold. Ice can start to form inside a machine when it gets cold enough, and that'll stop moving parts from...well...moving, and doing what they need to in order to make the machine work. You don't want that to happen to something you're flying in.

[@charge202]

Okay this is meta as fuck. You keep doing these videos, you're gonna become cinemasins. You stare long enough into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you cliche ex machina

[@AngelofGrace96]

Absolutely love these videos, your sarcasm is on point. Please cover more cinemasins videos!!

[@goingunder2548]

No joke it was the treatment of women in general that put me off CinemaSins as a teenager. I'm also attracted to women and I just don't understand the need to be so horny all the time. It's quite depressing really. If I went into a movie only focussing on how hot the actresses were, instead of y'know, the plot, or cinematography, or settings or performances, I would just watch an 'adult' movie instead.

[@Daniel-yy5tx]

I'm glowing because, coincidentally, you defended nearly all my favorite scenes and plot points from ESB, so not only do I get to watch them again, but I get to listen and nod along with someone saying why they work.

[@Dez-E]

One of my favorite youtube videos of all time.

[@lemikster3699]

I like the oldest CinemaSins videos more because they're fast and straight to the point; and now it's like they write a whole essay for each sin.

[@pinknblackproductions]

I love listening to you slowly losing your mind. CibemaSins make me feel like im going crazy so its nice to know im not alone

[@mrrockatansky6975]

I can't believe I've only now seen this. Thankyou. Just.... thankyou.

[@Crlarl]

CinemaSins rekt, son.

[@rubegoldbergguy9909]

The tauntauns thing is actually an interesting question in astrobiology: sure, maybe they've been shipped into Hoth by the rebels, but then what is the Wampa doing there? It's not impossible that it naturally lives off of some other creature and there's just an entire ice-planet ecosystem that we never see, and there's a ton of other possible explanations. But none of them are immediately obvious and whether or not Lucas thought that part through, there's no clear answer given by watching the movie alone.

[@TrueYellowDart]

With the understanding that Star Wars doesn’t care one bit about science, here are some thoughts: I always assumed that tauntauns were native to Hoth. Not for any particular reason it was just an assumption I made in my youth and never really thought about it again. But like you said it’s possible that tauntauns are non-native but just fit naturally into a wampa’s “prey profile”. It’s possible that tauntauns were native but a smaller, advance camp of rebels (established years earlier could have laid a lot of the groundwork: starting some initial excavation, capturing/training tauntauns and such. Maybe tauntauns were an invasive species introduced hundreds of years ago and actually made Hoth even more extreme by screwing up the local ecosystem and reducing some of the natural cold-mitigating features Hoth used to have. Man…now that I think about all the unregulated travel that happens between planets the whole Star Wars galaxy must have huge problems with invasive species. I bet there are “bounty hunters” out there more akin to Witchers, eradicating creatures that are living in places where they shouldn’t be. Like badass galactic exterminators. Sorry for the rambling 🤪 Obviously the movie doesn’t have time to explain any of this, but it can be fun to think about.

[@sarjocole2626]

​@@TrueYellowDartThe concept of wild game/invasive species bounty hunters is something that would actually be really cool to explore more. I know they've had plotlines that involved animal trafficking already. Wouldn't be surprised if they had exotic game hunters.

[@TrueYellowDart]

@@sarjocole2626 It's actually a RPG setting I'd love to run - galactic exterminators. You could have all kinds of problem-solving like swarms or individual big beasties you need to capture or eradicate. And you could absolutely throw in poachers, smugglers and all sorts of creature-related sentient scum to tangle with too. Heck, have some "vermin" who turn out to be sentient for a good ol' moral conundrum while you're at it. It would be like a bounty hunter campaign except you're almost always guaranteed to be the good guy.

[@sarjocole2626]

@@TrueYellowDart Yeah that sounds really interesting. There's a comic, I can no longer remember the name of, that delved into how eating sentient species in Star Wars is taboo. I thought that was interesting and it could definitely be incorporated into a story about bounty hunters hired to capture sentient species for some rich baron to eat. I did think it was weird though because slavery isn't that taboo in SW. And I'd argue that it's s pretty bad too.

[@TrueYellowDart]

@@sarjocole2626 Like our world, slavery still exists in the cracks of “civilized” societies as well as in places with less rigorous enforcement efforts. And wealth always can buy degrees of l freedom away from such norms. So yeah, slavery happens a lot especially in the Outer Rim. Sentient-cannibalism must also exist but it’s more…visceral so maybe that makes it more rare. And certain species like Trandoshans have bad reputations regarding sentient cannibalism. Star Wars has tons of fun morally gross topics to get into if you wanna find them. But I’d have to keep my “space exterminator” stuff light. No cannibalism thank you 😁

[@wandereri75]

4:05 Because you know, freezing to death isn't something normal people worry about. It's explicitly stated later in the movie that it is too cold at night for anyone to survive. Just guessing, but I'd say staying alive is a big part of why they shut those doors, much more so than worrying about the machines.

[@remdvm3021]

Dude, you HAVE TO make more of these!!!

[@hazukichanx408]

"...I mean, this is very basic information, revealed through the dialogue, directly... so I can understand how CinemaSins managed to miss it." Gonna need some cream for that sick burn!

[@JayExci]

Hi there.

[@ohno5559]

This comment makes less sense post channel name changes

[@infernocop1009]

hello

[@darkchungusyoshi6323]

Jay. Bruh

[@darkchungusyoshi6323]

@@ohno5559 ikr

[@HOTD108_]

Imagine disliking CinemaSins, but then also being friends with MauLer. Oh hi Jay.

[@Matt-ye5gq]

"He can do it. You can tell because...he does it." is simply one of my favorite things.

[@johnberk9315]

CinemaSins is so dumb it makes me rip my hair out. I think it all comes back to what you said in one of your other videos about how they can't take anything in a movie as anything but literal. And also seem to forget things immediately after they happen, almost like they take every shot/event as a complete movie rather than part of a film.

[@lucyrodriguez3500]

-_-

[@miniperfect5569]

Aaaaawwwww did they dislike one of your favorite movies

[@maxrichards3881]

@@miniperfect5569 No, they misrepresented it to an absurd degree.

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@maxrichards3881 so

[@maxrichards3881]

MRJ2012 They lied for profit, and that’s bullshit.

[@4dimensionalcat]

17:02 it could also be because Star Wars is a mostly PG franchise and not fucking Utopia, we're not gonna cut to some guy being brutally fucking tortured in this fun science fantasy adventure featuring space wizards with plasma sticks

[@ClaudiaNW]

Deus ex machina: a thing that happens in a movie. Cliché: a thing that happens in more than one movie. Plot hole: a thing that happens in a movie and is explained in the next scene.

[@aaront1710]

returning to this video years later, I think I finally figured it out. even if jeremy never saw the films in their entirety, all of us (who were kids at any point since 1977) have had at least incidental exposure to them, right? I didn't see the original trilogy until I was an adult, but I've still got imagery from the films buried deep in my brain from a jumble of sources, like half-seeing them on a small TV at some cousin's or something. and for whatever reason, "R2 peeking around a corner as the others run past" is one of those images. basically I think jeremy might be confusing cliches with, like... memories. "tauntaun ex machina" is the exact same thing. first off I think he's broadening "deus ex machina" to mean "anything that contrives to make a plot-essential thing happen in an unrealistic or too-convenient way," which I **guess** is fair when it's your whole job to dredge up thousands of 'flaws' as fast as possible and you need some sort of common vocabulary to talk about them with. but in this case, he thinks that the tauntaun suddenly dropping dead is WAY too improbable for getting to The Cool Thing From Star Wars Where Luke Has to Get Inside the Tauntaun, a thing he knows about and was anticipating. it's assbackwards. it's Ready Player One Disease.