Shawn Baker Responds to Dr. Matthew Nagra! (Full Response)

[@DannyIshay]

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[@LouisGedo]

SHARED

[@VeganLinked]

This definitely is worthy of chapter marks. And lots of golden shorts. Can't wait to see them start showing up! Perfect timing & precision work man!

[@thebowandbullet]

"We don't have long-term, randomized trials of 50 years on carnivores" ~Baker I'm guessing that sample gets pretty small long before 50 years due to serious illness and death.

[@hugomarquez3189]

I’d be surprised if they find anyone alive after doing it for fifty years

[@maggot1111666]

hilarious comment

[@Meathead-10810]

lol, show me a "long-term, randomized trials of 50 years on vegan" Idiotic question and demand.

[@scienceislove2014]

​@@Meathead-10810 we have that for a vegetarian diet or other plant centred diets .

[@Brukner841]

@@hugomarquez3189 the inuit died in their 40s

[@VeganLinked]

You guys are nailing this man! I've been commenting on the response video Dr Nagra did, I hope they aren't getting filtered If so please moderate and release 💚 so glad to be in the trenches with you guys!

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

The only credit I will give these evil people are they are good at their Meatrix programming . To bad animals and humans suffer .😢

[@veryonlineman]

You should see the meltdown the "carnivores" are having in his comment section. You would think the ones that go around calling themselves carnivores wouldn't be such snowflakes 😂

[@VeganLinked]

I know and I've been responding to them like crazy! It's like unfettered access to all of the anti-vegans in one place! And I'm hoping I won't be moderated and filtered when I reply to them for once!

[@Kristers_K]

I never bother checking carni videos or comment sections, but what is the meltdown about? Would appreciate a TL, DR :p

[@alx4animalss]

Cornflakes…?

[@VeganLinked]

@@Kristers_K essentially Baker made very gross over generalizations about Dr Nagra's video and instead of his fan base coming over here and actually watching the video to see for themselves what he actually said they're just blindly regurgitating the overgeneralizations they heard come out of Baker's mouth while simultaneously spinning the wheel of excuses for consuming body parts, organs and secretions.

[@Kristers_K]

@@VeganLinkedI see, and frankly not surprising. All carnies seem to just stick with whatever their ''messiah'' claims, be it Shawn or someone else, and keep spreading that misinformation and even straight lies all over social media. I mean, you really need to have your head shoved deep up his @ss to be that level of ignorant, to believe that it's true without a second thought.

[@leeduli]

54 minute video with 2 of my favorites? Yes please!

[@VeganGorilla555]

The fact that he's a "Doctor" and brings up medications and not knowing the long term effects just goes to show that he's supremely unqualified to give ANY advice.

[@VeganLinked]

I think he was mostly just a chiroquacker before he lost his license and then supposedly got it back but we never know what happened cuz he won't reveal the truth and never went back because apparently he wasn't able to get a job but now he's making gobs of money off the vulnerable as an entertainer when they think he's being serious in a business called meat Rx or some psycho silly s***

[@ceeemm1901]

He is medical a doctor but he also may have come last in his class....I don't think army doctors are Nobel Prize winners.

[@11235Aodh]

Always remember 50% of doctors ended at the bottom 50% of their classes..

[@dekyor9547]

His license got revoked

[@dekyor9547]

​@@ceeemm1901his license got revoked he is legally not an MD

[@trshmanify]

Baker doesn't look very well

[@darkmind4881]

He does look good stop brainwashing yourself

[@mbrum3230]

And thats him on steroids too

[@VeganLinked]

Carnivore king is being slayed

[@oliviagreen8853]

He didn’t even wash his hair

[@ceeemm1901]

Yeah, carnists are gunna say it's because he started eating veggies, haha.

[@VeganLinked]

I totally shared this on my channel and hope everyone will share this.

[@picante28]

just subscribed to your channel!

[@VeganLinked]

@@picante28 Cool beans thanks so much! 💚💚💚

[@velvet_bass]

Good content! Thank you both for being a voice of reason.

[@darkmind4881]

Welcome the vegan cult

[@velvet_bass]

@@darkmind4881 hah okay my guy good one good job

[@tamcon72]

Dr. Shawn Baker seems to be short of breath. Could be because he's upset about making a response video, could be he just finished a grueling workout, or could be evidence of health problems even he won't acknowledge. Appreciate this almost frame-by-frame analysis of his quibbles with what Dr. Nagra said in his response video. Thanks for posting!

[@VeganLinked]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@classicgameplay10]

Imagine for a moment a dude that has eaten no fruit, no fiber no beans for years and years. You would look like that too.

[@VeganLinked]

This is full of some really nice shorts hopefully you will be launching soon!

[@intellectualsolitudeproduc2865]

Shawn Baker Barker whatever his name is breathing pretty heavy good lord. I think he would still lose a debate with Garth Brooks let alone Garth Davis.

[@VeganLinked]

Baker's such a Faker

[@ceeemm1901]

He told Garth Brooks that a carnivore diet can heal the pain of love lost between cowboy and pick-up truck.....

[@AaronVets]

@@ceeemm1901💀💀💀💀

[@ceeemm1901]

@@AaronVets I was originally was gunna say "heifer". But both get a tick I reckon.

[@morejoy5188]

​@@VeganLinked I would say he's more of a Fakquere

[@VeganLinked]

This take down is such gold to me 💛 Man you guys I just love you guys so much you just don't know. You have no idea how big this is to me. I know it may seem petty that I'm the one who got got Dr Garth Davis in front of Baker putting up with Lauren cringe. But if you knew the road it took for me to even know Dr Davis in that way and as long as I have. And the cringe I had to experience over the years knowing about Baker just simmering, this simmering cringe. And you two sunk that pirate ship bros. This is the best teardown series ever from Dr Garth Davis/Baker to Dr Nagra back to Baker, and for the slam dunk Dr Nagra with Danny. It's just pure f****** gold. It all happened over the course of 3 years. And it's all is finally being exposed as it's come together here perfectly. Like I couldn't have planned it better, I had no idea you two would get involved so quick even though obviously you would lol! Hell yes, exercise the demons! 💚💚👿💚💚 Now what we need are some more plant-based doctors to debatr and expose Baker further. Maybe I should give Lauren a call... I wonder if she'll pick up 😂 If you can only see our text messages from when all this started. The funny thing is I know so many doctors they would run out of opponents quick. Perhaps I should overwhelm her and inundate the carnivore movement. Actually that was my mission. Literally, in the beginning 2017 "elevating truth in media, eclipse the media leverage the meat, egg and dairy industry has had for far too long." Essentially working to normalize veganism through stories of long time and lifelong vegans, athletic vegans, lots of plant-based, vegan physicians a various relevant walks of life, compassionate people in action, veganic farms, etc" This series of videos could almost be the start of a great documentary! This could be something entirely new and profoundly needed. DOWN THE CARNIVORE KING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND NOT LETTING UP. ❤

[@TenTempeh]

Nice commitment my friend. Great to see that level of passion

[@VeganLinked]

@@TenTempeh 💚

[@VeganLinked]

@@TenTempeh That's the way I feel and that's why I'm so happy these guys are doing this!

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Are you done? Sheesh. You actually think they did anything.

[@TenTempeh]

@@matthewwilliams3827 they did something and every something adds up.

[@veganninja5886]

If Dr. Matthew Nagra debated Shawn Baker he would destroy him like he did Anthony Chaffee.

[@darkmind4881]

It's not about who won the debate its about the truth, carnivores looks better than vegans without biased

[@veganninja5886]

@@darkmind4881 It is about who won the debate and the truth is vegans look way better than carnivores with way less issues. You are lost

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@darkmind4881 what carnivore’s look better 😂you mean the skinny fat red faced and then the obvious juiced up ones like Baker and Chaffee clearly you are biased ☠️☠️☠️

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@darkmind4881 you mean the red faced stick figures ☠️☠️

[@darkmind4881]

@@veganninja5886 i saw flat earthers beat scientists in debate many times, winning on debate means nothing and also 90% of carnivores were vegans before, its show that vegan diet doesn't work for so many people, I'm originally from east african and my ancestors wouldn't survive without animals, I'm against factory farming but its most efficient way to feed the population

[@pvonelsner]

I’ve looked at other photographs of Dr. Baker and the thinning of the outer third of his eyebrows can be an indicator of low thyroid hormone. My own GP noticed that with me on my yearly physical. I did inform him I had extreme fatigue the past few months, which led to an ultrasound and other tests of my thyroid. I was diagnosed hypothyroid and then a total thyroidectomy three months later, due to thyroid cancer. This happened back in 2008. All went well and have been cancer free so far.

[@tamcon72]

I hope you are fully healing!

[@VeganLinked]

Oh wow so sorry to hear this, but I had a nodule recently that was benign but before I realized it was I was like so scared. But I was told they're really good at treating that type of cancer. So you should be good I think! Best wishes

[@pvonelsner]

Thank you for you concerns. I had it in 2008. Everything came out just fine. Had one radioactive iodine treatment after surgery and been cancer free so far.

[@VeganLinked]

@@pvonelsner AWESOME!!!!!

[@weareherbivores]

Thyroid function is also critical in managing lipid levels, for example carnivores that have their thyroid removed rapidly develop atherosclerosis. So now I wonder how Shawn is doing.

[@jadenemet4527]

Is it just me or does his breathing seem really labored? Like I'm no a doctor but just listening to him makes me worry about his health like he needs an oxygen machine or something

[@Jay-h9d9h]

He shot the video immediately after intensely working out.

[@michaelhoile1369]

​@@Jay-h9d9hso he's out of breath for the next hour 😂😂😂

[@joshwong800]

Requesting a huge amount of validated air horn shorts after this PLEASE! 💚🥦💪

[@VeganLinked]

YES!!!!!!

[@JappaKneads]

No hyperbole... please. Non emotional demolitions have more longevity...

[@TheParadigmShiftTV]

Can Shawn grow a pair and debate Dr. Matt Nagra please? That would be epic.

[@tylerwhitney3443]

The other huge issue with carnivore or animal based is it pushes the goalposts for what seems healthy or advisable, so you'll probably have some Omni folks be hitting the meat heavier as a result. Dangerous and adds to the suffering,

[@Veegan4theanimals]

Shawna is a liar.. 😂

[@OilCanHarry2U]

And his brainless minions swallow it by the shovel full.

[@ceeemm1901]

and Troglodyte.

[@DrBear-rk4qb]

😂 I found it very hilarious for Shawn Baker to insult his critics by calling them "religious," and yet a visit to his Instagram shows most of his followers are religious.

[@VeganLinked]

And he depends on fairy tales as evidence

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

I think it's hilarious they spend their days insulting vegans appearances , you do the same to them and their cult followers are quick to white knight them .😂

[@ceeemm1901]

Flat Earth Creationists to be precise.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Talking superfast means you are superhealthy. Carrnivores could not rap if their life depended on it.

[@VeganLinked]

😅

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Where did you get that ridiculous info from?

[@biancat.1873]

@@matthewwilliams3827 It's a joke. Just like Baker tweeting in all caps that red meat doesn't cause heart disease *lol

[@matthewwilliams3827]

@@biancat.1873 there's zero evidence that meat causes heart disease.

[@GlennGJ100]

he knows he's wrong and he's probably thinking he might get sued so he's starting to damage control now, pathetic

[@michaelhoile1369]

Spot on 🎉🎉🎉

[@fabygoo]

Just the way he said Dr. Nagra’s name alone just tells you the kind of person he is 🙄

[@VeganLinked]

That would have been a good time to say Dr Faker, get his name right

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Yeah says it all . His so predictable , just like his other anti vegan carnivore buddies . 🥱

[@MmartinL]

Trump does that too. I doubt this guy doesn't know the name of who talked with.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

@@MmartinL Most carnivores lean conservative

[@ejRecording]

But when he said Dr Garth Brooks I truly think that was a carnie brain fart

[@VeganLinked]

So many times in this response video you could have easily said Baker's a hypocrite and entertainer and that equals CLOWN. If you get your advice from Baker think about that. And this is why Baker does the most pathetic ad hominem things like make fun of Dr Greger for not going to the gym when Dr Greger is about the science not compensating in the gym. All this and much much more to take advantage of vulnerable people so Baker can make how much money off of MeatRx whatever the hell that is and a desperate subscriber base? Look up Baker sometime on things like rational wiki. Let's break him down further. Let's break him all the way down. He's taking advantage of these people who are taking him seriously and that's a very sad thing when it comes to something that medical professionals should be ethical about and put their bias aside and the evidence in front which is in favor of a whole food plant-based way of eating not a f****** death-based necrovore diet. People like Baker need to be held accountable and you are doing it right now right here. There was several times I've thought in the past it I would feel better if these carnivores had a disclaimer that said there is no evidence supporting the carnivore diet, something like "the totality of evidence shows that it increases risk for chronic disease and all cause mortality while eating a well planned plant-based diet (and even a well-planned vegan diet) is more protective against chronic diseases. There was so many times you could have used a horn in this video. We need a version with a horn in it!

[@ceeemm1901]

He lost his medical license in 2017 for- " failure to report adverse action taken by a healthcare entity and incompetence to practice as a licensee". He has since been given it back but no one will employ him as the orthopaedic surgeon he is.

[@hugomarquez3189]

I’m gonna be the superficial dimwit here, but he looked out of breath while he was talking. I’m assuming he just finished working out or something, but how long is it taking him to recover and be able to talk normally? He certainly isn’t looking like the picture of health, and we know how much weight they put on how people look. He looks rough, I’d be worried if I was a family member.

[@yangtse55]

I thought he had slightly more of a noticeable neck than previously....

[@michaelhoile1369]

I think he has a lung condition...or his heart is ff... up 😂🎉🎉😂😅

[@chimp09]

Compare that to plant chompers who often walks around while talking without showing any signs of exhaustion.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

These people are insane . They think pooping once a day is unhealthy .

[@pegbuckner5074]

Thank you, for adding Paul Saladino to the unfollow list. He’s a nut 🥜 job!!!

[@VeganLinked]

Wait a minute are you talking to me lol?

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Is cocaine meat based ?

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

His a legume job ?

[@ceeemm1901]

@@julienfroidevaux1143 Haha good pickup.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

@@ceeemm1901 Which one ? That peanut is a a legume or it looks like his a coke head ?

[@jeovanniperez3949]

His face everytime you pause 😂😂

[@VeganLinked]

I know right it was so priceless I almost took a screenshot

[@rider24ZA]

6:51 😂😂

[@sarahtonin256]

I remember a comment that someone said that he looks like a thumb and I can’t unsee that so whenever I see him I think of that comment calling him that 😂

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@sarahtonin256 lol 😂😂

[@VeganLinked]

​@@sarahtonin256you make me want to deep fake him on my thumb and do a debate live

[@jadenemet4527]

Thank you for making the distinction between vegan being an ethical choice and plant based being a diet. Big pet peeve of mine when people that don't give a fuck about animals and only care about health or the environment call themselves vegan or ex vegan. You were never vegan! Stop confusing the issue and making ethical vegans look bad

[@joshwong800]

Same here! 👏

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Lol many ex vegans are now carnivore or ketovore and thriving.

[@tylerwhitney3443]

Baker is entrenched because his entire Livelihood is stuck on carnivore. It's not like he's just a doctor or nutritionist pushing for it among many, he's put himself on an island.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

I have regular tests and consistently out perform any person eating meat. Especially for my age group.

[@weareherbivores]

Epidemiology does not yield robust findings, therefore default to anecdotes. -Shawn Baker

[@deshn21]

Absolute carnivore cringe

[@anulfolantigua940]

Damn Is true Shawn Barker look like pinhead

[@yangtse55]

Maybe that's it... I thought it was the lack of neck.....

[@robsengahay5614]

Baker even reference fallacies like employing a strawman and then constantly uses strawman comments. If he is responding to someone he should take great care to either provide the full and precise quote he is responding to in its correct context or else carefully steelman his opponents claims. He comes across as a bad faith actor here purely because he does neither of these things.

[@freethefib8357]

He has the meat sweats😂

[@ceeemm1901]

Yeah, and it's winter, haha.

[@Alyssa501]

He probably smells all that dead flesh BLAH

[@daleval2182]

Guys i went off insulin by increasing my meat and fats , and under 25 grams of carb, all from veg, ive lost 12 pounds per month, so am i helping my self or killing myself?

[@ceeemm1901]

The biggest "Elephant in the room " research is the one to find the IQ of the followers of these Carnist influencers.

[@TenTempeh]

Will we have a reaction to this reaction? I don't think so

[@tamcon72]

Reactionception!

[@VeganLinked]

I just reached out to see if I can get another plant-based doctor to debate Baker now on Lauren's channel and see if it's snowballs into this kind of gold again. ;)

[@TenTempeh]

Honestly my dudes made a super extensive vid out of really not that much substance. I'm glad we take these topics as seriously as they are.

[@JappaKneads]

Don't confuse a reaction with a response...😊

[@TenTempeh]

@@JappaKneads On spot.

[@GeeBee1261]

Thank you for your video. As a pharmacist I view Shawn Baker as dangerous. The problem is because he is a physician there will always be a group of people who follow him blindly. He makes recommendations on topics out of his field of training. He has a large devoted ignorant following and unfortunately his misinformation is causing damage to his followers.

[@ceeemm1901]

You can be a doctor but that doesn't mean you weren't bottom of your class

[@GeeBee1261]

@@ceeemm1901 Agreed

[@mbrum3230]

Why does baker have uncle leo eyelashes?

[@tamcon72]

Oh, my!

[@oneiroagent]

My, oh!

[@richardstravelingchannel2397]

Carnivore and denial are synonymous

[@Faramedic]

Intellectual rigor.. refreshing to see on these internets.

[@sanderbling]

I am begging Dr. Nagra to please get a real microphone. 🙏 🙏 🙏.

[@Magar6]

Thank you for this helpful video!

[@Human_Herbivore]

Accusations like his about the quality of studies is so often a confession of how those making them will accept low quality data, or indeed none.

[@Enigm3]

The only reason I am considering to become vegan/vegetarian is because #1 it is has seen the energy levels diffrence in vegan vs meat foods (I mean what their aurora) #2 it is a well known practice for sabath in christianity that veganism cleans the soul and Jesus goes in depth saying how we should eat only plants (and maybe smth from animals, like what they produce) and not harm the animals (unless self defense) as it is part to Heaven (He says this in a gnostic text, The Gospel of Truth). #3 Me personally, meat is either an ok ish or meh meal, like the taste, but never had that with vegan foods. Although if you look online you will find so, like SO MANY PRO AND CON ARGUMENTS agaisnt EVERY. SINGLE. DIET. It’s honestly tiring and confusing as fuck so I will just go into what my intuition and THE ONE has guided us to do.

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Jenny Mitich has cholesterol on a steady rise TC340?sumtin LDL 240 sumtin?, does not feel well, and now food poisoning, and the denial rolls on,. I wonder if broccoli gave her the food poisoning?

[@icturner23]

Please get Nagra to look up the pronunciation of ‘panacea’ (pa.na.CE.a).

[@pegbuckner5074]

Abs♡lutely Awes♡me!!!! Thank you!!

[@dekyor9547]

The conversation around carnivore diets being healthy is not the same as figuring out if red meat is harmful or not. All you have to acknowledge is that eating a single food or a few foods is not optimal in order to sort out whether going carnivore is good or not

[@sandywillow5925]

Baker's looking rough...😬

[@tracktician6510]

Dr. Garth Brooks! Wow

[@VeganLinked]

Well to be fair I've accidentally called him that and he and I are pretty tight. So it's an honest mistake and filming yourself can be awkward, at least he caught it in the edit, kind of. I bet when he left it he just thought he's being "entertaining" at least he's also being consistent then

[@tracktician6510]

Yeah, he's a fallible human. I lol'd tho

[@ceeemm1901]

"Round up them patients, Partner and move em out! Yeeee-Haaaaaarr!"

[@5starliving]

I’m on the carnivore diett now for 3 month, trying it because i was so ill, 10 years, have servere pmdd/pms, suicidal, depression, anxiety , fibromyalgia, migraines, fatigue, insomnia and so on. I have became better than I have been since i started . We go on carnivore because we are sick and are losing all hope and feel we have to be drastic. I’m not hateful towards people ho eat what they want. I just want to feel better. Now i no longer feel suicidal, cry all the time, lost 10kg, have less pain in my body, almost never have migraines, my pain in my stomach and abdominal is gone ( an less) i eat something green, the i run to the bathroom 😭🫣so you see i dooo love bread, veggies and everything else, but I can’t eat it🤷🏻‍♀️😩 but I don’t give hate to anyone ❤I have a looong way to go, don’t know if i ever will get normal again (healthy) but I can’t give in to temptation and eat all I want because than I’m dead and I leave my 3 babies and love ones behind 💔😭

[@Fedaygin]

Bueno content ^^ Good Thorsday to you both & every kind 100% animals friend out there o/

[@rumbleb2654]

Let’s gooooooooo

[@MarieLamour-cv1jc]

Why does it look like Baker's eyebrows are trying to run away? lol

[@stevenmarkhansen]

sean baker sweats pork❣

[@VeganLinked]

I bet he snores like one too

[@Fedaygin]

​@@VeganLinked Some beautiful piggies have nice sounds whent they sleep. I bet Shawn Baker has wayyy worse 🤔

[@ceeemm1901]

He has to eliminate through sweat because his rectum is backed up. He tries to fix that by attaching a 'plumbers plunger' to his Space Hopper.

[@ceeemm1901]

@@FedayginBit of proper spelling would be wayyyyyyyyyyyy better .Der Seufzer 🗣

[@Fedaygin]

​@@ceeemm1901 Uuh so edgylord style with silly wordings Taliaivo 🗣

[@deficits1080p]

I asked chat gpt what was healthier vegan diet or meat diet. Bro, straight chat gpt hands down said the vegan diet is way healthier. It won by a landslide!!! I love ChatGPT

[@matthewwilliams3827]

🤦‍♂️

[@ceeemm1901]

Just had an ad on for making Biltong, hahahaha. They're pushing back folks!

[@11235Aodh]

Why is he sweating so much sitting in his car, don't tell me it's summer time where he's at.. (February currently).

[@MarieLamour-cv1jc]

He lives in WA. He is sweating because he may face lawsuits soon for all his bs lies. If I recall he lost his medical license lol

[@carinaekstrom1]

Thank you!

[@addl7340]

Why is he having so much difficulty breathing?

[@richardstravelingchannel2397]

Shawna recommends what people are desperate to hear. I hear nothing but dishonesty.

[@bedtimestory1318]

Can't wait for another response to the response.

[@adim00lah]

I do believe it's possible to heal certain health problems on a carnivore diet, because you are getting zero carbs, it's a fasting mimicking diet. You could also get the same effects on a pure water fast. Meat doesn't heal nor does water, it's the fasting that's doing the healing. It's just easier to fast using meat than plain water. But would I recommend fasting or carnivore as a lifestyle, hell no! Carnivores always talk about how nutrient deficient plant based diets are, but if you plug carnivore diets into cronometer, they are ALSO very deficient in a lot of things. It's actually easier to hit your rda for nutrition on a vegan diet than a carnivore diet, especially if you include plant based supplements. There are literally no demographics we can look at to see the longer term effects of this diet over the course of a lifetime. I'm glad shawn has admitted that he literally doesn't know the long term effects, I appreciate him being honest about that. If epidemiological studies are bs, show me the studies showing that consuming high amounts of tobacco, sodas, deep fried food, alcohol, ultra processed foods etc... are healthy. Not seen one study showing the more McDonald's you eat, the longer you live. Guess those studies myst be b.s. and Back-donalds is good for you!

[@adriangabrielgramada1016]

Baker looks almost completely baked 😊

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

WAHEGURU BLESS MATTHEW!

[@Fedaygin]

18:50 Yeah we haven't studied the diet of Lions, Gepards, Wolves & few other Natural Predators. No human lives on that diet because they process the flesh via heating & seasoning. So therefore it's not carnivore diet for any human. 🙂

[@VeganGameChanger]

Is this Baker out of breath just by talking two sentences?

[@Meathead-10810]

Activists are always talking about how to convince people to go plant based and stop eating animals. I would think that you would all do as much as you can to tell and help people succeed on the plant based diet. I tried a plant based diet for 2 years and my health failed (my goal was health), maybe if there were adequate resources around to help people make it work then there would be more vegans and much less "ex-vegan" videos advertising just how bad the plant based diet can be. As an opposite example there many, many doctors promoting the carnivore diet and they tell people exactly how to start and how to succeed long term for free, no fees, supplements, books are required and if you are a special case you can get MD level doctor or nutritionist support and help for as little as $5 per month. If the plant based doctors and even vegan activists were just a little bit more interested in the health of the people trying to follow the plant based diet and less interested in some other of their own goal, there may be many more people succeeding on the plant based diet and you would maybe get what you desire in the end. All I get from plant based people is "you did it wrong", "oreos are not a health food", "veganism is not for health". Many people expect a plant based diet to be healthy because of so many official groups, governments, doctors and activists pushing plants as healthy that we are very disillusioned when it does not work out that way.

[@mysticmouse7261]

Whole civilizations have been sustained long term on vegetarian diets. This is data.

[@Enrik-ff4xj]

Well we dont know of vegan diet is healthy either, espwcially without supplements or supplemented aka fortified products. Maybe it works for some but not others but i doubt it without suppements or fortified products. I have tried the plant based diet myself, no supplements, no fortified products, no bread and no processed products whatsoever. I mixed everything to get enough iron etc and still didnt last more than 3 years. The first year i didnt see any change but the second year i started losing so much weight, sunken belly, sunken eyes, green yellow pale skin, could barely handle the sun or cold and a vegan friend i had at that time advised me to take a multivitamin or not be this clean, incorporate fortified products as well. I started thinking i started this diet because its said is good for health, i bought 2 lamb chops and ate them after 3 years and 2 months without any meat, dairy, eggs, fish, bread or any processed product and in one week i already looked and felt better. I can tell u without supplementing the plant based diet, ur lucky if u make it past 5 years. 6:48

[@ShawnLallJD]

Yea true. We know vegans have a lower risk of all-cause mortality and is the only diet group statistically within the healthy BMI range, but is it healthy? HmmmmMmMmMmMmMm 🤔

[@FuckYoutube-wf1wh]

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[@veganpundit1]

💯🙏🎯

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

Is Shawna turning 70 soon?

[@niketganguly7140]

Great content as always

[@michaelhoile1369]

Faker sound like he haa a lung condition...WTF 😮😂🎉

[@afaultytoaster]

"For entertainment purposes", the Fox News defence for lying through your teeth

[@Meathead-10810]

7:20 You are guilty of promoting the plant based diet based on your response right here? Pot calling the kettle black much?

[@Meathead-10810]

People in glass houses... 🤣

[@jeovanniperez3949]

He isn’t guilty of anything as major health organizations and other studies to the hierarchy of scientific evidence supports plant based diets showing long term benefits ☠️☠️

[@Meathead-10810]

@@jeovanniperez3949 There are no long term randomized control trials, only long term epidemiological studies which can prove absolutely nothing. Those epidemiological studies only group foods into broad categories, what if it's listeria lettuce that is causing health problems and none of those studies actually separates lettuce consumption out from everything else consumed? We would never notice it was a problem while combined with the vegetable category. Was it the wheat in the pizza base, the measly ounce of meat or the dressing of cheese on top of the pizza that caused the problems being attributed to the meat? There are too many confounding factors in any epidemiological study to take them seriously. Anyone promoting veganism based on those studies is guilty and I would agree that the same holds true for all diets. The best we can do is try each diet and see which works best. I did try plant based for 2 years and that seemed to get me to my worst health outcome which is when I switched to meat only instead of having the recommended surgery.

[@Meathead-10810]

I think so many on the carnivore diet have corrected so many health issues that we KNOW that it has to be healthy! I could almost not walk, painful feet, edema in the legs, bleeding gums when brushing teeth and was about to have an operation to remove some parathyroid glands "to maybe fix my problems". Started carnivore 5+ years ago instead and now I have no health problems at all and can sprint with my son, short term my ass. There are thousands of these anecdotes now and there are only getting more and there are more vegan converts 🤣 So listen up all you vegans with health problems - there is a cure: Eat Meat, Not Too Little, Mostly Fat

[@ceeemm1901]

Yeah, yeah, send us your research paper when you get time....."I went on a carnivore diet and my dick improved 3 inches. It's true, because I just posted right here and now on KZbin"

[@ejRecording]

what's your LDL and CRP scores etc

[@Meathead-10810]

@@ejRecording Don't know, Don't care. Seriously I haven't been back to the doctor since 2018 when they wanted to remove some of my parathyroid glands 🤣 Dodged a bullet there.

[@JappaKneads]

​@@Meathead-10810See you in 25 years...😊

[@ejRecording]

@@Meathead-10810 if you don't know and don't care about your health then why comment on a health video acting like you have the answers lol

[@CoversWithCare]

OMG 54 Minutes!😛😛 if only this was as deep as your shorts

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Unnatural vegan talked about the survivorship bias. Most people on extreme diets fail within a year, but the few that feel fantastic after 10 years think this is the way, this is for everyone and for all time.

[@WhyArentYouVegan]

Baker looks and sounds like he's dying. Just look at him compared to the people he's talking to. Animal eaters, honestly tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Baker the faker

[@sassymate5684]

there is no good long term evidence of any diet

[@Meathead-10810]

I also should point out that since there are so many thousands of us on carnivore and having experienced so much benefit and healing that there is just about no way that you or any official can possibly convince us that we are just imagining things.

[@ceeemm1901]

...wait for it..tick..tick..tick..tick......

[@Fedaygin]

​@@ceeemm1901 Yes and that.. that.. that. Also punctuation here & there would be nice. Le Sigh 😮‍💨

[@ceeemm1901]

@@Fedaygin You're on social media. Punctuation is soooooo September10. Tell that to the rest of the members of "The Explorers Club", Ponsonby.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

How do you explain the thousands that are also experiencing negative effects on the carnivore diet or do you not want those thousands cus it makes the carnivore diet look bad ☠️☠️

[@Meathead-10810]

@@jeovanniperez3949 There are probably many reasons. I've heard of mold, oxalate poisoning, alpha-gal, vitamin overdose when some decide to eat too much liver attempting to be the healthiest human ever :) There are some misguided people who think that more raw meat/organs means that they are a better carnivore eater, some even go as far as to deliberately make and eat rotten meat, they call it high meat :) We are all humans, there is only one optimal diet for all of us, I do not buy into the fallacy that "we are all different", only that we all have different health starting points due to health problems acquired while eating the SAD diet of processed/toxic foods.

[@blade8989]

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[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Responception

[@Meathead-10810]

23:40 Show me a human with a fully functional cecum and I'll show you a human that should be eating plants.

[@biancat.1873]

💚🐾🌱💚🐾🌱💚🐾🌱

[@Alyssa501]

Shawn looks awful ew.

[@MrCalyho]

On the long term account is point was simple - you know just as little as him. If you are going to point to the nurses health, health professionals etc. as proof that vegan is good then you are fooling yourself and your audience. And on his read meat does not cause heart disease - what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If one bad study shows that there is a disadvantage and another bad study shows there is no disadvantage then the only conclusion you can draw is there is no known disadvantage and you shouldn't rely and bad studies!

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Exactly im still waiting for the ex wfpbd study from vegans they are delusional. At least baker admits he does not know the longterm outcome. That type of respect would make me go carnivore over vegan if i was to quit the omnivore diet

[@jadenemet4527]

Uhm you must have missed the decades long studies he showed? And there's a minimum 2:1 ratio of studies with plant based taking the lead it's not a 1:1 comparison. Also look at the funding for those studies, usually funded by the meat and dairy industries. I know this is only my experience but I've been vegan 17 years and healed multiple sclerosis and know dozens if not hundreds of vegans who have stayed vegan 10-15+ years with no negative effects, while I know a couple handfuls of people that tried paloe keto and carnivore that didn't last a year before developing health issues. Also the majority of ex vegans I know willingly admit they were under eating calories and not taking care of themselves in other ways, and the vast majority of those people say they want to get back to being vegan at some point. Not to mention you can literally hear how unhealthy he is just in his breathing. I've been a smoker for over 20 years and I don't have that kind of trouble breathing lol

[@MrCalyho]

@@jadenemet4527And I know a crap ton of vegans that are depressed, vitamin shortage, skin problems and many of them believe any old nonsense. I think it becomes with the lack of brain food. (your 100's of vegans you know is just makes me giggle though). The long studies you refer to asks questions like 'how many cups of ribs have you eaten?' and get asked every 4 years. That is no basis for proper research. The studies do exactly what they suppose to do - generate hypothesis, not fact or conclusions. And guess what, none of those studies were vegan. In the end vegan has just as little evidence behind it than carnivore. The studies themselves are many sponsored by the grain industry. The markup on the products is much higher than meat and diary. Kellogg's, Quaker and all the rest all from the seventh day adventist's who 'believe' that vegan is good according to their religion so they make studies that confirm it.

[@ChadRD]

​@jadenemet4527 we didn't become the species we are today by eating a vegan diet. No hunter gatherer groups have been vegan. So why on earth would you feel that an unnatural vegan diet would be an optimal way to eat? The primary reason vegan diets are possible for so many people is due to various conveniences of modern life with supplements and whatever plant food you want being readily available at the grocery store.

[@nocturnal03]

@@ChadRD who cares? We're not cavemen. They weren't eating optimally either, just for survival. If evidence shows a plant based diet is healthy, why not do it? I enjoy conveniences of modern life such as medicine, so why is one supplement the end of the world? As if carnists aren't using supplements either.

[@TheNoticer12]

I just eat meat it's nbd

[@ceeemm1901]

as food as well?

[@TheNoticer12]

@@ceeemm1901 hell ya!

[@Meathead-10810]

Quite enjoyable while eating 4 lamb forequarter chops :)

[@Fedaygin]

Uuh so edgy

[@ceeemm1901]

Nice euphemism, Jeffrey Dahmer

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Sounds lovely. 😋

[@matthewwilliams3827]

@@ceeemm1901why are you lot obsessed with Dahmer ? Lmao, what’s he got to do with carnivore?

[@ratisson]

I'm a vegan. I care what others eat. I am on the moral high ground. I care so much about animals but not how humans are treated in 3rd world countries. The NHS has a study, it says you can survive off a vegan diet. Therefore, we must all go vegan. Tell others what to do with their bodies. I can't believe they eat animals for their nutrition. I'm suffering with my health because of my veganism but at least the animals aren't suffering because of me.

[@ejRecording]

are you ok? make a real point

[@ratisson]

@@ejRecording the point is stop telling people what to eat

[@ejRecording]

@@ratisson who told you what to eat? your own comprehension should dictate what you do. Most people are co-dependent so have no clue how to share and debate information without force, we're all learning.

[@chimp09]

Mostly I see vegans calling out crap like "I care so much about animals but not how humans are treated in 3rd world countries" "[...] Therefore, we must all go vegan" "Tell others what to do with their bodies" " I'm suffering with my health because of my veganism" Just like you spouted numerous times. Stop with this crap and maybe vegans will stop calling you out on that crap.

[@picante28]

maybe... eat healthy?