SHE-HULK Pitch Meeting REACTION | Ryan George - Super Easy, Barely an Inconvenience

[@alienX07]

" There was some funny moments and then there was rest of it " - epic line from Jaby

[@kingdariusb1332]

Jaby is so damm based, i love him

[@briansmith48]

I've only watched the reactions/ clips of the show. I didn't even bother to see the original content. 😆 Like Jaby said I only watched to keep up with the rest of Marvel.

[@Silvere1]

Please remember that in an interview , Jessica Gao said that she wanted to troll marvel fans. She didn’t just refer to the trolls or “Incels”, but she mentioned the hardcore fans. That’s a terrible goal for a company to have.

[@briansmith48]

She should be put on a do NOT hire list. Never hire that woman to write ever again. She can go back to being a waitress or a barista or whatever those Hollywood types did before they got into the industry.

[@levischorpioen]

Marvel has a terrible track record with hiring creative leaders who actively don't give a fuck about Marvel. Remember when Cate Shortland was told not to worry about action scenes for Black Widow? Remember when Taika Waititi completely disregarded the MCU canon TWICE and laughed about not finishing VFX shots in interviews? It's awful.

[@TDhexada]

it was that and the fact that they admitted they didn’t know how to write court room scenes that made me realize this show was going to be a joke.

[@TDhexada]

@@levischorpioen THIS BRO. i have been saying this too. it pissed me off so much bc Feige cares and we can tell but he’s hiring people that don’t and it’s heartbreaking

[@levischorpioen]

@@TDhexada When I first heard that Feige refused to appear in place of the AI in the finale, I (very shallow-mindedly, admittedly) thought that it was a disappointment because that would’ve been hilarious. Then I thought about the implications of an entire hired creative team shitting on his empire and deliberately breaking canon rules that will forever diminish the impact of future events* and I just felt sorry for him. It doesn’t excuse any of the other aforementioned questionable choices, but the more I think about it, the more I realize how much of this show was intended to break the MCU. * - Going meta is great. Breaking the fourth wall is a great tool, as seen in Deadpool. But Deadpool still has to adhere to the rules of his universe. He comments on the writing, but never actively interferes with the making of the narrative. She Hulk deliberately fucks with the course of the story and every single future dumb decision by any character will now be made even dumber by asking the question “Why did Jen not just tell the writers to do this?” Any future plot convenience, plothole or out-of-character action is now made even dumber because they have a sentient fail-safe written in to the MCU. She Hulk genuinely broke the MCU.

[@krishnaraj3989]

My biggest problem with this show is that it had 2 hulks, an abomination, wong, Magic, AND DAREDEVIL to work with. There's so much story potential in that sentence alone, and yet somehow they ended up disappointing us.

[@mickeymouse7726]

Exactly

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

I mean they clearly weren't interested in story in their therapy session, like at all, which is why they filled time with cameos

[@Tien1million]

I think it's because these writers don't care about any of those characters and, or they don't even know the lore of the characters.

[@od3rfla]

At this point I feel like they did this on purpose lol

[@Aa_ron]

Too busy being woke to worry about telling a somewhat coherent and enjoyable story. They went out of their way to attack their own fans then acting shocked when people didn't like it

[@Vanuslux]

What kills me is the actresses's comments about how they created the show knowing people "wouldn't accept a female superhero" even though there have been several well received female super hero shows. And every single one has better audience scores than She-Hulk. I hate that the writers of the show wasted the incredible talent available in the cast on writing the show more for people they anticipated hating it than for an audience that already likes and is invested in the character. I still had fun watching She-Hulk, but it could have easily been as groundbreaking and genre redefining as Jessica Jones if it hadn't been more interested in blowing raspberries at the haters it went out of its way to feed.

[@briansmith48]

They didn't have the talent to make an awesome show. And instead of outsourcing some of the content. (You know they had the budget to do it too). You know maybe hire someone from an already established courtroom show like a law and order writer. Instead they let their ego get in the way thinking that they had the talent to it do themselves.

[@whakjob]

I am from India, You should have seen the carthatic response to Wonder Women in a small town movie hall here. Male or female, and heck even Transgender, if a character is written well and the story is good anyone will get behind then.

[@bhuvandeep1219]

@@whakjob That's True lmao. I don't give a shit regarding the gender and social perception etc, if the story sucks it's trash. She hulk was trash

[@EskChan19]

It's because it's a convenient excuse. That's why practically every female led movie lately has always been talking about sexist fans before it even launched recently. Not because that's an actual problem but because when the movie fails because of their poor writing, they can say "Nah it's not our writing, it's just that all the fans are sexist incels and we don't cater to them, it's not our fault". It's just a blanket excuse for them to not have to try to write a good show. Why put in effort and work if you can just blame the customer?

[@haku8135]

Fuck shows. WOMEN HAVE BEEN PROMINENT IN COMICS FOR DECADES! Anyone that claims a woman will not be accepted in a movie or tv show is just an idiot.

[@realbadger]

Ryan George is _extremely_ observant with his awesome spot-on Pitch Meeting notes....

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

No he just copy pastes internet criticisms

[@realbadger]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 😳

[@charlie7mason]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Even if he only did that, he sure does present it in a very humorous way.

[@Enrique-Garcia]

I asked him once how hard it was to be so insightful, he said, "super easy, barely an inconvenience"

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 I didn’t mention my opinion of any show, I just outright stated what he clearly did.

[@Eastie0]

I think jaby actually brings up some good points about the writers. But I would just hope they would point this out when they made reactions for the series not after watching the pitch meeting.

[@CinePals]

Yeah, didn’t think about it until we saw this.

[@draykohunter6805]

​@@vikramprasanna8908 him being honest is what got my sub

[@briansmith48]

He's been doing this for 7 years???😲 Jaby's only been showing up in my feeds for a little over a year.

[@crimsonjedi]

I respect the honesty.

[@Annie_Xxxix56]

@@CinePals I♥️ur Reactions it quite on point .... Hey react to Legend Of Mualla Jatt Movie

[@BSJ-Unparalleled]

I love how Jaby never fully dislikes things. He also finds a way to defend things even if they don’t don’t deserve it.

[@miriamweller812]

I mean, when you make youtube videos and alike, you choose a way you want to go with. His clearly isn't to criticise things in that way, what is fine. There are enough other youtuber, who do that, like Critical Drinker and alike, who rips apart such things (also with a funny persona that isn't him) without mercy. What is fine, too. I myself actually WANT criticism. It's the way you grow. There is nothing more annoying than having people just praise you or say, the got nothing to say about it, because I know, that my work isn't perfect, especially because I, with only my own PoV, simply will not see everything. If I write something stupid, I'm glad, when people point it out. The question is, why with city sized teams and in multimillion dollar prodcutions, this doesn't happen WHILE you make it, what IS the jon of these people. They pump meanwhile close to a billion in movies and series but the scripts feel like they gave some guy on the street a sandwhich for it and never even took a single look, just used it like that.

[@SCharlesDennicon]

Is it such a good thing, though...? I mean, some films/TV shows TRULY don't deserve to be defended.

[@BlackWolf-el3gu]

@@miriamweller812drinker is opposite of funny he’s just sad. Grifting at its worst

[@riahw3750]

My problem with the whole twerking scene was that they were already having to cut her scenes as a hulk for budget reasons and they couldn't find anything better to use her for than a twerking end credit scene? Nothing? It makes no sense to me

[@CinePals]

You didn’t fall on the floor laughing like the writers?

[@riahw3750]

@@CinePals mmmm maybe next time

[@haroldb1856]

It was a character moment.

[@fab-freshaquaponicbiospher6335]

@@haroldb1856 lol..

[@cornelius8617]

Wimin ☕

[@EazyDoesitxD]

You were actually right. The lead writer Jessica Gao in an interview openly said that she intentionally made the show with the sole purpose of "pissing off the marvel fan boys and internet trolls" nice person to have writing a character I loved growing up. 👍🏽

[@EskChan19]

It's a really stupid goal to have in mind in a business industry. Imagine you go to a restaurant, order a steak, and instead get a salted turd and if you ask the waitress why you didn't get what you ordered they just say "The cook made this food to 'piss of the steak fans' but please pay for the steak anyway". Or if you buy a new car but it has no motor and the car company says they made it "to piss off Horse Power fans". Antagonizing your core audience is never a good idea. Especially not if you're doing it intentionally.

[@MasterOfTheElements]

Calling this show mediocre is an insult to the word, mediocre is the highest praise I've heard anyone give this show honestly.

[@gamerxvc3055]

You just proved Ryans point 😂

[@eXpriest]

His point is constructed of golden mean fallacy.

[@MasterOfTheElements]

​@@eXpriestwhat do you mean?

[@eXpriest]

@@MasterOfTheElements I mean he's taking the middle ground between two extremes when one of the extremes (that this show is absolute dogwater) is the objectively correct stance.

[@MasterOfTheElements]

@@eXpriest so is my original comment good or bad?

[@maverickmurphy]

Ryan nailed it with this video

[@driedskull1927]

been waiting for this reaction since this pitch meeting came out! :D

[@chrissampson7569]

What I liked about Daredevil's appearance in She-Hulk... his initial appearance. What I didn't like about Daredevil's appearance in She-Hulk... his reappearance.

[@shykorustotora]

Best part of the pitch "Careful...!"

[@connoryoung8951]

My biggest complaint was the way it’s like “women are strong and independent.” And then at the end she asks a robot to remove all the conflicts in her life 💀

[@ramteja1550]

COMICS SHE-HULK : witty at jokes, dedicated lawyer, 4th wall break ONLY WHEN NECESSARY, sleeps with 100s of people and STILL IS FUNNY, LOVABLE, WHOLESOME, FAMILY FRIENDLY, Massive fanbase, cosplays, cartoon shows, anime cameos, comic con booths, videogames, etc etc MCU SHE-HULK : Not even 5% of all the above

[@bad-people6510]

Jen NEVER realized she didn't know it all. At the very end she complained about other people not taking responsibility for their actions and then rewrote the universe to her liking specifically to avoid responsibility for her own actions. There is no character arc, it is a character ditch. She learns NOTHING.

[@BlackWolf-el3gu]

Incel

[@TomTomson81]

How half-baked the show was can be seen particularly well at the end. She-Hulk is portrayed all the time as a heroine and as a role model and what happens in the end? She beats up completely innocent people. Just beat up employees of marvel who stood in her way.

[@CinePals]

But isn’t it soooo funny? I love sitcoms

[@TomTomson81]

@@CinePals I generally didn't find the show funny. But this may well be due to the cultural difference. I see reactions of the show watched by Americans laughing about it. I can only roll my eyes. Only the episode with Daredevil was good. But again, the end was total nonsense. It was just frustrating. I didn't even know She-Hulk before and went openly to the series. I had high hopes with Tatjana in it. She is a sensational actress. I saw her in Orphan Black. Simply fantastic. Here she was also great according to the circumstances, but she could not rescue this shitshow either. She made the best of it and I hope I see her again as a human being and only as a human being in Daredevil. The two had a great chemistry together.

[@tbirdguy1]

Worse still, we are supposed to be cheering for her. The writers really thought that brutally beating up inoccent security guards just doing thier job was funny. I really hope that if we see Shehulk again she'll have better writers who dont take everything as a joke.

[@haroldb1856]

It makes you wonder what it's like to work at Marvel for these writers, to deal with their abuse, toxicity and gaslighting in real life. When Marvel employees watch the show, they probably aren't surprised that a scene where they get maimed by a superpowered trespasser is considered a hilarious and triumphant moment.

[@murk4552]

​@@haroldb1856 they hated themselved even more agreeing to be a joke. Marvel Studios are assholes to their own overworked staff

[@spider123839]

This pitch meeting was better than the whole season 🙂

[@lupussolitarus536]

Fact

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Wandavision was the first project after Far From Home. It was nearly a year and a half break during the pandemic.

[@garydodd2837]

Hey guys, thanks for this, really enjoyed it..i know ur brother Greg has a reaction to this but u two got me into Ryan and his Pitch Meetings so u are always my first port of call..this was a good one!! Im glad u enjoyed the She Hulk Achara and i think Jaby props to u for somehow sticking with the show, u should be proud of urself.. was not a fan of She-Hulk show unfortunately but to clarify im not a sexist toxic troll like the show told me i must be, i barely use social media..My problem was i had stopped watching all the DC CW shows at the start of Covid except Superman because the writing was atrocious on all of them and this show had very similar writing so after episode 4 i just couldnt put myself through this anymore so i was done...i love Tatiana from Orphan Black and liked her Jen scenes and She Hulk was okay apart from the Josh Whedon Justice League Superman facial expression impersonations. It was a pity as loved the casting but most of them were just wasted. I did watch the last two episodes for Daredevil, Matt and Jen were great together but thats the only episode i really enjoyed. The finale was fine, the Kevin Feige joke was good. I think Ryan went easy on the show really, i hope She Hulk is kept around for other MCU installments but i hope no Season 2. If anyone loved this show well good for u and im happy you did, we dont all have to agree.. take it easy guys..much luv from Ireland, Jaby hope the ole arm gets better, take it easy man🌝

[@glitchguy0920]

Great pitch meeting, just top notch. Also I had to google search what movie and character Tim Roth played, as I wasn't sure if it was one of the origins or the Edward Norton hulk film. Though finding out was Super Easy Barley An Inconvenience.

[@TDhexada]

i feel very similar with you Jaby… i had the same feelings with Taika making Thor L+T. it’s the fact that they feel like they know exactly what they’re doing but they really don’t. it’s depressing because it’s sad to see so much potential get thrown at your face as a joke and now we jus feel very dissatisfied 😕

[@threesomeink]

I didn't do it intentionally but I stopped watching the MCU after End Game and it seems the consensus is that that was the right choice. lol

[@TDhexada]

@@threesomeink personally some things in phase 4 were AMAZING. but a good number of projects were lack luster. i have faith in Antman Quantumania because Jonathan Majors is an awesome actor.. but i can tell you that Shang Chi, Wandavision , Loki , Moonknight and No Way Home were all awesome

[@murk4552]

​@@TDhexada Quantumania was dissappointing, no stakes, no consequences, no character development

[@TDhexada]

@@murk4552 well yeah obviously. i made this post before it came out lmao

[@unnirajac8617]

​@@TDhexada Now you regret right 😂 I expected it to be a lot better when I saw the trailer but it ended up being a major disappointment again

[@adrianvargas2939]

What's funnier is that they made the show bad so people would hate it and then make fun of you for doing so, they said it on interviews and in the show itself calling out the writers, meaning that if you like the show then you liked something that was bad on purpose and made to anger you

[@LarryBonson]

I think the excuse they use about purposely making the show bad is a lie, I believe the real reason is they knew they lack talent and the creator knew she was full of it.

[@levischorpioen]

Right? It's like scaring people and then laughing at them for getting scared. In school we called that bullying.

[@nimz8521]

@@LarryBonson Their whole endgame hinged on people hating the show. If they didn't get people mad it wouldn't have made any sense.

[@LarryBonson]

@@nimz8521 I'm not buying they wanted people to hate it excuse it comes off like when kids are playing and one loses and the loser who was heavily invested in winning responds with I didn't want to play any way. Everything with these people are about how can I spin it.

[@JordiVanderwaal]

7:10 that was such a cute moment

[@trooper6627]

These two are adorable, even when there annoying the crap out of each other. 😂

[@LittleMan27]

He tip toes around that topic perfectly

[@cyandamadlala9610]

he did not tip toe, he was straight forward

[@rishabhshetye3312]

I just saw your brother's reaction and then you dropped this!! YES

[@briansmith48]

Jaby has a brother that does KZbin content too???

[@saifmehdi178]

@@briansmith48 yes, Greg of Reject Reels

[@briansmith48]

I didn't know they are brothers. I've been watching Reel Rejects for a while also.

[@starjacked2003]

Great comments at the end. I wanted this show to be great and after episode one the message was clear but I liked it so I kept watching. Also being a huge Orphan Black fan I wanted to see Tatiana in the Marvel universe. But, like you said, the writers were more about themselves as opposed to creating a captivating show. By the end, they showed how low they would go.

[@theroachden6195]

Literally loved the fact Ryan went after the show runners and the main actress, and also the media outlets that just called everyone sexist and mysonginistic for not liking She Hulk. He nailed that.

[@RoodeMenon]

I was baffled with the show's quality. It was like they began without any plan at all.

[@EskChan19]

That's what happens when literally the only plan you had going in (the producer of this show outright said so in an interview), to make Marvel Fans angry. That was the goal of this show. To piss of the fans who followed Marvel so far. So yeah, that's not exactly fertile gound for a good story.

[@maciek8159]

​@@EskChan19You actually bought that? No, that's just their excuse because they know they are talentless hacks so they try to spin it in a way that makes it seem like they did it on purpose. How could you fall for that?

[@upupdowndown8147]

This is unironically the best and most mature conversation about She-Hulk’s criticisms. You guys clearly know how to address these situations… so much so, that I think it’s a bit odd Reel Rejects didn’t do the same. *sneakily leaves*

[@CinePals]

I like your handle.

[@upupdowndown8147]

@@CinePals Thanks, love yours, man. 🤙🏾

[@muhammadfaisal5Y5]

One thing Ryan brought up was that it was hard to determine the angle the show was attempting to go for. It was a superhero show in the first episode and then it was a lawyer show in the second and then it became a sit com type parody of lawyer shows. Throughout, there was this sense of upcoming revelation of a secret sinister organisation run by a mystery person and then it turned out to be internet trolls.

[@DarkKnightBatman420]

The issues women deal with in some countries is so much more severe and serious in other countries. Women are being beaten, shot, jailed for trying to wear casual clothes right now.

[@nakkul]

Yes, i think American people and American women( with respect to the she hulk show ) should travel outside America to understand were thy stand in terms of rights and stuff and being arrogant as depicted in the show , Then hopefully they might stop making self-made issues and feel some kind of understanding for the better . The show had some kind of arrogance that was cringy to watch .

[@garydodd2837]

Right? U just have to listen to stories in the news of women being stoned to death for being engaged to someone her parents did pick for her or being murdered for not wearing suitable clothing, not to say its easy for any woman in the West but these stories really put things into perspective...Ryan had a point with the explanation to why She Hulk was mastered by Jen in a day, the writing was just plain bad and a cop out...

[@tbirdguy1]

I think Shehulk was not written like other marvel projects that try to address real world issues... it really had no interest in addressing anything other then Jens' issues and problems. She really doesnt care much about anything outside of her close friends. I wish this show had been more about the real pain and problems real people face beyond 1st world feminism and harrasement.

[@mzu5677]

Jaby is correct, this is the first time I have been aware of the writers of a show. AND I DID NOT EVEN WATCH THE SHOW

[@nitishraghavannambiar9728]

Jen started rambling on and judging Emil for turning into the abomination, even though she herself became she hulk negating her ankle monitor thingy.

[@emmanuelu]

gosh dang it. i was gonna wait till yall post this b4 i watched and of course i decided to watch the original video and this gets posted right after.

[@MuljoStpho]

I haven't gotten around to watching Shang Chi yet. And the last time I saw the movie that the Abomination character had been in was when it first came out (and for a long time I thought that the Edward Norton version of Hulk was a reboot ignoring that previous movie and that the MCU Hulk was rebooted again and ignoring both previous Hulk movies (it was only sometime within the last couple years that I saw it pointed out that the previous Hulk movies were actually canon and in the same universe as the MCU, both movies representing the life of MCU Bruce despite all the recasting), so I hadn't really given that other Hulk movie any thought at all over the years) so when they brought that character into She-Hulk I did not remember him at all.

[@BSJ-Unparalleled]

Best Pitch Meeting yet, hands down.

[@mrtiger2912]

I don't even know how this is a she hulk show when each and every single episode had a cameo from a bigger character 😂

[@lforlight]

I have a friend who follows the MCU movies, but not the shows. I also watch the shows. He said the movies are watchable even without the shows, so I began asking: what grand plot progression is there in each show? How much of a gap would he have from these shows? In She-Hulk, the answer is barely anything. You get introduced to Jen and in the end to Banner's son. That's about it. Emil Blonsky is the best example of this. You mentioned Shang Chi reintroducing him. We last saw him in that fighting club in China with Wong. At the end of She-Hulk, where is he? In that fighting club in China with Wong. He was imprisoned at the beginning of the show, he got released, and he got imprisoned again in the end. Every plot thing just did a full rotation and got back to where it started. If you delete She-Hulk, it has essentially 0 effect on the MCU.

[@q94141]

Ryan’s right. People throw damning terms around way too much these days without justification. Couple of Examples: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: I’ve read about some people who legitimately thought John Walker embodied white supremacy when nothing about his character supported that. The Boys: Eric Kripke threw around the term “toxic masculinity” in just about every interview he gave for Season 3 when in reality, his created characters’ issues, at least in Hughie and Butcher’s case, seem to go far deeper than that. Hughie’s season 3 storyline I think completely did a 180 on his character and disregarded the fact that he had legitimate trauma and PTSD from his girlfriend getting killed in the blink of an eye in front of him. For Butcher, Kripke chalked up him pushing Ryan away as toxic masculinity when episode seven’s trip inside his brain revealed that he has a very deep-rooted fear that people who love him end up dying because of him.

[@Scribbly_Chi_10]

@@vikramprasanna8908 the problem with TFAWS was that they kind of tried to portray the antagonists, who were clearly terrorists, as sympathetic guys, which was effed up.

[@mitra1513]

I think Kripke was talking about Soldier Boys and Homelanders relationship with the “toxic masculinity” he mentioned, though I will admit I have not seen all the interviews Edit: Also with regards with Butchers story throughout season 3, I think your right about it revealing his fear of losing loved ones but i think the scenes it shows with his dad tie in with the toxic masculinity. Butcher hates his father because he became just like him, and his father was a very toxic parent, so much so that both his sons left him. Idk just my pov.

[@saurabhraj2690]

@@Scribbly_Chi_10 Exactly, they really tried us to sympathize with terrorist and threw "You gotta do better, senator" at us 🤓

[@FadedWorld.]

That point he made that Jen was cat called and suffered all those things for years as a women but she was still happy with her normal life in general while Bruce was continuosly on the run from government and other villains and he got to the point where he even tried to kill himself yet still wasn't able to control the Hulk and she did it just like that is not only illogical but insulting to the character

[@Valzahd]

Had the show writers just focused on making a quality production then that would have done a far better job at undermining the haters. If anything the petty middle finger attempt only justifies their preemptive hatred.

[@LarryBonson]

If they had focus on making quality show there wouldn't be no haters to undermine.

[@wearywanderer7018]

“The haters will say the show is bad so we decided to make a bad show”

[@rinkairiozuki7245]

For Ryan George to acknowledge problem that you can't criticize anything these days, sows that even him got tired of that. Personally, i don't care about Hero genre at this point. Drama around it is more entertaining these days. But Pitch meeting is definitely more fun then a show it seems.

[@Hahvok]

I started watching anticipating something at least notable within the MCU, given it's a show about a Hulk that is more self-aware than the typical comic character. After the first few episodes I was only watching for the possible Daredevil revival. Was absolutely satisfied with Daredevil, the one part of the show that isn't actually tied to She-Hulk, which is obviously concerning.

[@ChrisInScotland]

You also had a full and final season of the best MCU TV show during Covid. Marvel’s Agents Of Shield.

[@Lurker_Z]

The problem is that TV _She Hulk_ was unapologetic hateful. Imagine someone makes a 9 episode show with the declared intention of "riling up those evil Asians", then the entire show belittles, mocks and insults Asians, then the entire press declares people who hated it "Asian manchildren". Then someone who's not Asian watches it and says "Well it had some good parts and some bad parts, but I don't see the problem in just calling it mid and be done with it". Uh-uh.

[@BSJ-Unparalleled]

I get why Achara said it makes sense why Abomination wasn’t the same when they brought him back. Like who stays the same for 14 years. But that wasn’t the point. The writers know that when they bring back old characters, the audience wants the same character as before. They completely changed abomination because they have no respect for any of the characters they got the rights to deal with, and they don’t respect the fans.

[@allosanthrwpos542]

Well that was 100% true like most pitch meetings. I loved everything he said especially pointing out how toxic that shit show was.

[@rjnnandan7967]

Ryan absolutely killed it.

[@baba0768]

Mcu fan : I came in excited as a fan but the show was constantly trying to attack me.

[@briansmith48]

Not surprising. It was the same with Batwoman. The whole "this suit will be perfect once it fits a woman" thing. 🤢 Batwoman could have reached a broader audience if such comments wasn't in the first couple of episodes. But they just have to keep pushing their narrative.

[@benjaminelliott6361]

Tatiana Maslany is really good in Orphan Black (She plays 17 distinct characters in the 50 episodes). So if the She-Hulk show gets people to see Orphan Black, then there was some good.

[@MrElerem]

really good reaction by both jaby and achara and this pitch meeting was perfect :)

[@donniebell7887]

Here's why I hate the show; Bruce: OK, Jen these power come with a lot of responsibility, if you mess up once everyone will turn on you- Jen: blah blah blah Bruce I don't need you to mansplain to me about super powers I got this *Jen messes up and everyone turns on her* Jen: I would rather break the show and change the ending than admit Bruce was right. YOU'RE WELCOME LADIES!

[@scotttrail522]

My BIGGEST GRIPE about this show, once looking at this, is that you CAN'T criticize anything about the show without being called "sexist", and "bigot".

[@mermidion7552]

in short, the Pitchmeeting video and your reaction to it was more entertaining than the entire Season of she-hulk.

[@sairaghavendra7295]

Now you both are in the list 😂😂

[@Velhoall]

Achara's silent WOW is sooo cute (1:52)

[@fikilemkhize5776]

These writers clearly hate us fans

[@thunderhaze8500]

Achara enjoyed She-Hulk and Jaby watched She-Hulk.....🤣

[@themanlybeard9212]

She Hulk: I know everything and can control everything because lady bits 😂

[@dudder86ify]

Movies when lock down was black widow ,eternals, spiderman was postponed shooting cause of covid

[@laurenmasters]

Perfect pitch meeting

[@Prkwon]

I think problem with the show was it felt like a placeholder for furthering the MCU

[@andrewdunn8778]

I'm not sure I get the criticism about Bruce Banner also having gone through traumatic things? the point is that Bruce had to struggle because he was an angry dude with emotional problems and then became a Hulk and had to deal with all of it. Whereas she was became a Hulk while being much, much better with emotional shit and anger because of her life experiences. The whole point, which she says explicitly, is that she has been in fight or flight daily since childhood, and learn to handle it long time ago

[@randomfire5315]

Where were these observations when u were reacting to the series?

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

As someone with two X chromosomes and breasts, who is apparently the "female target audience" for shows like modern _She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,_ not only did the show itself bore me to death (it was basically a sitcom), I _viscerally hated_ the character of Jennifer Walters/She-Hulk in this... both versions of her. The other characters annoyed me as well, as everyone was incompetent and stupid, but good god, _she_ was a blatant textbook wish-fulfillment Mary-Sue character that _everything_ revolves around, who is instantly better at everything Hulk than actual Bruce Banner for no logical reason, and who _literally_ could change reality by whining about it. She didn't even "break the 4th wall" in the way Deadpool does (as Deadpool still stays Deadpool inside the fictional multiverse), she literally smashed through the multiverse to... walk onto the set of the show to bitch at the script writers to rewrite the ending? That's "meta" squared. But even that cheap plot trick at the end sunk like a lead balloon. The script writers clearly thought they were being super-smart and edgy but only showed they couldn't come up with as satisfying ending so they threw crap at the wall like a monkey hoping it would stick. The ending of Season 1 lacked even internal logic: because if She-Hulk walks into the real world onto a film set where the show is being filmed and where _everyone else_ is simply an actor... then why is _she_ still the green-skinned 8 foot tall She-Hulk? Why is she not her actress Tatiana Maslany? The entire MCU is now a meaningless joke, congratulations! Man, if only Tony Stark had been smart enough to know he could have rewritten the ending of _Endgame_ by bitching about Thanos instead of heroically sacrificing himself to save the universe and die a horrific death! The main ingredient of writing a good story and convincing characters as an author is to take fictional characters and the world they live in _seriously._ The late great Terry Pratchett knew this. The writers of the animated Fantasy show _Arcane_ know this. The writers of _She-Hulk_ clearly don't; instead they showed utter disgain and boredom for the material. They mistreated the male characters by mocking them; yet the female characters don't work as "female empowerment" icons either, because She-Hulk and her lady friends plus the female villain are cringe-worthy stereotypical Sitcom characters. Jennifer Walters/She-Hulk is _neither_ a heroic Superhero (because the writers decided that's "boring") nor is she a competent laywer. Compare her show's season 1 to _another_ Marvel show about a character who is both a lawyer and a (disabled) Superhero: Daredevil. Jennifer Walters' entire character arc is being a neurotic bachelorette obsessed with finding men and stumbling into embarrassing situations and being stalked on the Internet and finding herself, as well as woman-splaining to Bruce Banner how hard she has it in her affluent upper middle class urban neighborhood. My god. It's basically a copy of _Sex and the City!_ And after seeing/reading interviews of the all-female script writers and director and their utterly hypocritical, self-congratulatory, sexist, simplex mindset, it became clear to me they have their heads stuck so firmly up their own asses they're unable of self-reflection. THey're so busy to project the image of the modern urban hipster, where everything they do and say must be an ironically detached, woke, pop culture reference, they are unable to write authentic sounding dialogue or plots.

[@axepagode33626]

14 years ago one of you was in the sixth grade. So you've changed a lot.

[@doro626]

There is a show on Hulu called dollface. it kind of does what I think She hulk said it was doing. Showed a 30 something being single, dealing with friends and men and broke the fourth wall. Maybe they should have gotten THAT writer to do this show. I dont see how it could have been worse.

[@AndrewCheshire]

Yeah, turns out demanding respect will never get people to respect you, unless they're reasonably like-minded, and then they're not so much respecting you as they are appreciating the permission you've given them to demand their own respect. 🤔

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Yeah, the fact that the showrunners admitted openly that they wrote this show with EVERY intention of trolling she-Hulk fans while having a gloriously smug and satisfied smile on her face is just proof that Marvel EFFED UP when they hired her. And I hope she was fired instantly after her admitting this. If not, then it's likely she was fired as a result of Fiege's clean up at Marvel studios; IF that even true. I personally do not believe it's true that Marvel fired and removed everyone on the writers staff that can be considered activists. I think Guardians 3 and Deadpool and wolverine are anomalies within the hierarchy of the social woke infrastructure of Disney-Marvel I honestly believe that Iger would NEVER allow Feige to clean house in the way it's been claimed. Not if the Parent company is STILL doubling down and NOT doing the same.

[@sanjaycool6915]

Super easy, barely an inconvenience 😂

[@dragonstryk7280]

The problem is that the writers *wanted* to piss off the audience, but then got pissed of AT the audience for *getting* pissed off. Like if I just stand there and keep slapping you in the face going, "Whatcha gonna do about it, huh?" I don't get to be indignant about it when you haul off and hit me. You can EITHER intentionally piss people, OR be upset that they're pissed off. You don't get both.

[@RM-xk6iu]

I was searching for information about endoparasitoid insects, but ended up here.

[@wlfshadow4255]

My first introduction to she-hulk was agents-of-smash

[@s.vidhyardhsingh3881]

I must say Ryan George’s 4th wall break was much better than She Hulk’s. 😅😜

[@nadeeml9276]

Kinda wish Steph was in on this too, but HILARIOUS vid and great reaction!

[@unkindguy88]

It's not about taking a side, it's just calling a garbage a garbage. You do not call a garbage an ok garbage, do you??? People should call out garbage shows like this BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT. Subscribers deserve better shows!

[@hawlkman]

How well did shehulk do? I mean Tatiana Maslany said she does not see a chapter 2 happening so I assume it did not do well.

[@farlonmuentes6004]

the problem with emil blonsky is he is what he is in incredible hulk for decades because he was a hardened military guy then he just suddenly becomes a goofball in she hulk. 14 years in nothing to decades of being in the military

[@jeffwenberg4321]

It had a very average 80s sitcom vibe really. It was amusing, light, didn't take itself too seriously. Very middle of the road and that's where I sit with it, didn't love it, didn't hate it. Not something I'll watch repeatedly but enjoyed it the first time around. I also believe, given the hints about how serious Phase 5 is supposed to be (Scott Lang dying possibly...) maybe She Hulk was meant to be tongue and cheek...

[@Robroy333]

Your Brother Loved it Jaby lol

[@luismedeiros7139]

I love how u try to reach pit everyone but I should remind u that most of the people that got mad at she hulk making fun of certain people that grew up bullying other people and now don't have the emotional maturity of processing criticism and always git their way. On the other hand people like me that grew up being bullied or having to navigate life with very few choices, can handle criticism and change much easier. I didn't like she hulk but it had its moments but I will not throw a tantrum just because she made fun of me. Sometimes u can't please everyone and we end up pleasing no one when we try to please everyone. Much love, and keep reacting hard ❤️

[@MiddleAgedBob]

I enjoyed the show for what it is. I didn’t like it enough to rewatch it, but if it comes out with a season 2 I’ll watch it. Not Day 1 but…eventually. I did enjoy the 4th wall stuff.

[@MaxLeGrand33]

You know Jaby's about to shill when he start a sentence with: ''To be fair...''

[@shahanahsan05]

Ryan is a genius

[@PeterDB90]

It essentially boiled down to them making it a political agenda ad rather than an entertainment show.

[@Dude-xb3xh]

I think that hulk powers don’t let you get drunk because it was like a super soldier serum thing gone wrong and captain America couldn’t get drunk anymore because of the serum.

[@JH_1981]

I waited 15 years for She-Hulk to show up. Then they created a terrible show "on purpose". And if you critique their terrible show then they just claim you're part of the toxic fan base. Toxic fan base? How about we talk about toxic writers. Fans pay money for Disney to develop projects of characters they have loved for 40 years, if any group of people should be allowed to get pissed about a film/show it should be that crowd.... you know... the people who kept Marvel in business when they almost went bankrupt in the 90's. So to now have writers that openly tell fans they don't like whatever IP they are being paid to create, and that they also don't like any fans who are upset with them ruining the content, is an insult to the fans who have been loyal the past 40 years. On top of that there were many people who went into She-Hulk NOT as a toxic internet troll, many of us wanted an awesome She-Hulk to join the MCU. But after 3 episodes of nothing we started to get bored, by 5 episodes we were bitter, and by the finale we were just ready for it all to be over. The writers didn't care that they weren't giving the rest of us a decent show to watch, they just wanted to make sure to piss of "internet trolls".

[@EskChan19]

Pretty much this. There's so many writers who think that "subverting expectations" makes them clever writing, when the fact of the matter is that most people don't want their expectations "subverted". Most people just want a good, enjoyable show. Good, likeable characters who aren't snotty, uppity assholes, good scenes with a good plot to follow. People don't watch Star Wars to see grumpy old Luke Sywalker, people don't watch He-Man to have 1 episode of He-Man and 20 episodes of everyone else, people don't watch Marvel for clever writing. And that doesn't make the people "entitled" either. There's nothing entitled about getting what you ordered. People aren't entitled to have the films made they want to watch. But if the studios don't make these movies, they're not entitled to peoples money either. If I go to a restaurant, order a steak, pay a steak, then get a single fry and a chef who goes "Hah! See you didn't expect that did you? I totally subverted your expectations, I'm such a great cook aren't I? Now pay for the steak you didn't get and tell everyone what a badass chef I am to give you not what you ordered but what I decided you get instead!" then I won't pay that restaurant and I definitely won't go there again. That's not entitlement, that's business.

[@tbirdguy1]

The problem? There is nothing redeeming about SheHulk. It doesnt see the humanity in the villains, and Shehulk doesnt really doesnt save anyone of her own accord... like a marvel hero should. Lastly, the writers put themselves in the show and used Jen as thier medium to criticize the MCU and male fans in very generalized and unnuanced terms. This alienated some fans who are already on board with the writers feelings and felt they were being overly preached at. If they focused on Jen saving people, being a real hero, like Daredevil this wouldnt be an issue. This was the first marvel show that felt like the writers were not in the right room. To the people that loved it, im happy for you, but the people that didnt like it have a right to feel that way and not be attacked as trolls or sexist incels.

[@ninthefrog3911]

I absolutely agree with Jaby

[@DecoyZ]

I was a she-hulk "defender" for a while because I felt like people were criticising the show for no real reason. Yes, it has a LOT of flaws, but most of the "She Hulk sucks" videos on youtube don't focus on the actual flaws, but just the superficial stuff like how its "too feminist" or "too woke". but yeah, after leaving it alone for a while I do see some big issues with the production of the show. I do agree that the writers were way too confident with their idea to the point they made some of the show bad on purpose JUST for the final episode twist. even though I agree we should call out and shame misogynist assholes, there was always this tinge of vitriol in the writing. even as someone who enjoyed the show, I have to say it is Mid, it's the definition of mid, there's some good shit and there's some bad shit. but knowing about some of the things Jessica Gao said puts this really bad taste in my mouth... essentially it just felt like this whole show was a thinly vailed rant on twitter that somehow got picked up by a studio. the rant might come from the right place, a place of genuine fear and frustration but that's not how a show should work. Use a good story to push a message, don't use a message to ruin a good story.

[@EskChan19]

The thing about the "woke" writing is that it just auto assumes that all men are mysoginists and that the only reason you could ever dislike the main character is because you are a mysoginist. And that's simply not the case. And THAT is what annoys people. Because when you say "we need to shame misogynist assholes" you mean anyone and everyone who doesn't like the main character because she's female, therefore disliking her is sexist. But that's BS. I won't deny that there's probably a low three digit number of actual sexists who hate any and all female representation but the vast majority of "misogynist assholes" is people who are tired of tropey, badly written, badly acted, characters who get a pass because they're "strong female characters", therefore automatically immune to criticism. Pretty much everyone says that there's a lot of good female characters in media. Just not in the super woke stories because the majority of these characters are unlikeable, uppity, snotty Mary Sues. And noone likes Mary Sues, regardless of gender. The fun of a story is seing a character struggle and overcome the obstacles. If there's never any obstacles and the character just enjoys rubbing it in how much better they are than anyone else, that's not a good character. That's an asshole.

[@troynazir]

2 drinks achara? come on lets go :)

[@Jammy._.]

product makers make product consumers don't want or like who are supposed to be the primary consumers of said product then makers blame consumers for not consuming said product and calls them names ...... brilliant!

[@telendrothangjam8500]

Only marvel movies or series that I didn't watch and didn't want to watch I was about to watch for Daredevil but change my mind after hearing the story of changing script from my brother.

[@brendaclark5185]

The bankruptcy of Hollywood's cadre of writers IS the message of She-Hulk. Kudos to Pitch Meeting for shining a light on the She-Hulk writers' desperation.

[@lukegates5015]

You had the break from Spider-Man FFH in late 2019 to wandavision in early 2021

[@carolinareaper6342]

Honestly I think it makes sense that Jen had better control of the form than Bruce since Bruce had so much truma as a kid up until adult hood it would explain how he had so much trouble controlling his emotions while Jen is just a normal person so controlling her emotions wouldn't be that difficult

[@EskChan19]

That would have made sense. "I'm a woman therefore I inherently have more trauma than you could ever have" which is the actual reason the show gives us makes no sense whatsoever.

[@Jagan612]

So what is the Greatest Marvel Show? Since Wanda vision! Mine is Moonnight!

[@WallahNein]

I think it's kinda weird sometimes how Marvel handles feminism, you can clearly see that it's on the checklist "gotta have one moment for the views", but they're so wildly different. Like in infinity war "she's not alone" fucking cool moment. And then in endgame... "She's got help" completely fabricated and cringe. You end up asking yourself "how the fuck did ALL female heroes end up in that one spot for a cool shot" instead of "those heroes are so cool"