She ruins EVERYTHING - Make Your Mark Elderflower

In Chapter 5 of Make Your Mark, we get introduced to the most absolute confusing character of all time. Elderflower, single-hoofidly, ruins everything we've known about G5. These are my theories.
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[@LunarEchlipse]

Izzy never said Elder Flower was Moondancer's Great Great Great Great Aunt, Elder Said Moondancer was her Great Great Great Great Aunt.

[@yondaime500]

If you combine the "simply insane" and "time traveler" theories, you get Madame Razz from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. So that's one thing to consider if you want to overthink this character (I certainly don't).

[@ANC4C1108]

When elderflower mentioned her relation to moondancer i just sat there trying to process

[@TS_Tiziano]

11:00 I confirm, the birth of Flurry Heart and especially the dialogues between Celestia and Luna, were only to drive us crazy for years, about the origin of the Alicorns...

[@shinystarsparkles5]

I always just thought it was kinda natural for Flurry to be an Alicorn? since Shining armor is a Unicorn and Cadence was a Pegasus it would make sense for Flurry heart to have both of their elements.🪄 (But that's just my thoughts though..🌌)

[@beng1603]

Moon Dancer was Elder Flower's great-great-great-great aunt. So her great-great-great grandmother would be Moon Dancer's sister, Bright Rose.

[@adolfodef]

Ghosts. Elder Flower can hear ghosts of her pony ancestors (but she can not see them). Izzy can see ghosts of her ancestors (but she can not hear them); they comunicate ideas with pantomimes and/or sign language. One of them is/was an Artificer, teaching Izzy how to make the Prisbeam Lantern (possibly also influencing the magical creation of the Marestream). -> They can not alert/wake up Izzy when they perceive danger, but if she pays attention she may "get an idea" from their expertise on arcane/weird subjects of interest. Elderflower probably repeats stories about events she never experienced but was told (confusing her own internal visualizations with actual memories). -> Somedeadpony told her about "the design" of hats & glasses matching the ones used back in G4 (perhaps Rarity herself). They may not be able to travel far from Elder Flower (or they need her senses), possibly convincing her to travel to Zephyr Heights rather than being a genuine desire of the old mare. -> This are non-magical "psychic" abilities (Izzy had aura/luminescence vision since the Movie, previously to the return of pony magic).

[@Star_Strike]

In summary: G5 makes no freaking sense :P

[@nightflame389]

Oh wow it's Wind Striker from a parallel universe

[@OmegaFox09]

I’ve recently heard that g4 is still partially owned by discovery family. So that means g5 has limited use of g4 lore and such

[@Magami_Moonscout]

​@@OmegaFox09I've heard it once and I will repeat it THEN WHY did they have to put it in the same universe !?!? 😭

[@OmegaFox09]

@@Magami_Moonscout wrtiters probably wanted to cash in on the success of MLP g4 🤷‍♂️ Or the writers are just…sloppy :p

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

I literally did not recognize a single person or place outside of Sunny and her crew in today's TYT #68. I think they might be spoiling ch7 up to this point since #67 spoiled the ending to ch6 of MYM. Nothing about this generation makes sense. I can't even enjoy single episodes anymore.

[@Red-Ranger3142]

What baffles me is that everyone has jumped to the conclusion that Elder Flower is referring to the attempted Changeling invasion of Canterlot. Yes her line about “ponies that kept changing shape” can only refer to Changelings, but nowhere in her dialogue does she imply that the Changelings at the wedding were invading. Yes the royal wedding is the only wedding we know of that had Changelings present from the G4 era, but if Elder Flower really is five generations descended from Moondancer then she wouldn’t have even been born yet. The way I took the line was that Elder Flower was at a wedding that took place after G4 where Changelings were present, maybe even a Changeling wedding.

[@Cxcd]

Let me raise this point: sure, she could’ve been at another wedding… but WHY would the show writers EVER do that? Why would the show writers, in any sense, bring up a completely unrelated off-screen wedding that also happened to have changelings? Also, why would Changelings be changing shapes if it wasn’t the Canterlot invasion? Was it as simple as “hey guys look at what I can do.” And if she was at a changeling wedding, why would they change shapes during a presumably all changeling wedding?

[@panther6958]

@@Cxcd I think this might be more simple than it seems. The writers might have wanted to make a changeling reference to appeal to g4 fans, but didn’t think people would jump to the conclusion that it was the Canterlot wedding. I agree that this was probably a changeling's wedding after g4

[@Red-Ranger3142]

@@panther6958 That’s exactly the answer I was going to give. Thanks.

[@adolfodef]

​@@Cxcd She seems to imply that she danced so much on the after-wedding party that she almost fell (between the alcohol & exaustion). -> Changelings would have trouble to keep concentrating on keeping their prefered pony shapes for the same reasons). Nothing in her reminescence seems to sugest danger or surprise (her bodylanguage is of happy memories), so it was just a hint that "changelings were ok" back in her youth.

[@warriorcatkitty]

agreed. it's more likely that they were just trying to imply changelings are still around.

[@adolfodef]

[Theory]: Elder Flower was petrified by magic/cocatrice for hundreds/thousands of years. -> When magic dissapeared, she returned back to life & has since lived a normal, boring, very long life. From her point of view, G4 happened 5 generations ago (while Argyle indirectly mentioned 10 generations since the creation of the 3 cities, something that happened adter the end of G4).

[@lilirony1334]

How about this: Elder Flower is Twilight Spakle that after defeating Opaline, had to loose most of her magic, thus no longer being an alicorn but an immortal Unicorn, but since she is a unicorn through time, she became isane.

[@itzgeni]

BRUH WHAT

[@warriorcatkitty]

LOOOOOL BRUH

[@panther6958]

I don’t think there is any way that Elderflower was at the Canterlot wedding. How can Moondancer be her great great great great aunt if they both attended that wedding?? I think either the changelings attacked again AFTER g4 ended (which is obviously INCREDIBLY unlikely, since they were reformed), or maybe she attended a changeling wedding after g4 ended, or this is just an oversight from the writers. That or she is just completely insane

[@warriorcatkitty]

Exactly. I think it was just to imply changelings are still around.

[@otaku-sempai2197]

The vintage Carousel Boutique hat would be the equivalent of finding a Victorian-era woman's hat today. A museum might very well like to have it. Elder Flower might not have actually been at Shining Armor and Cadance's wedding. She might be confused about a memory that has been told to her (she does seem to speak with the dead). IF we are being told the truth about Moondancer being Elder Flower's great-great-great-great-aunt then Elder could not possibly have been born until long after the Changeling Invasion. Here's a related theory to your time-travel one: Elder Flower was a Companion to Doctor Hooves/Whooves.

[@warriorcatkitty]

yeah, I feel like this person is a little confused cause they said, "Elderflower is Moondancer's great-great-great-great Aunt" which is not true, it's the other way around. *Moondancer* is _Elderflower's_ great-great-great-great aunt. Elderflower is the niece, Moondancer is the aunt.

[@TailsClock]

My assumption while watching (after pausing of course to let what I just heard settle it) was that she was getting her memories mixed up with her ancestor's memories, as she cannot have lived during the time of the wedding, let alone been old back then, as she'd be older than her great great great great auntie. And she does talk to spirits. So that makes more sense to me than the bigger leap in logic of time travel. Not sure I'd say "she is simply insane" though, as the way she communicates with her ancestors could be just a confusing experience. That and "she is insane" implies more falsehood than there is. I like theory 4. G5 has been bad for so long that it would be weird for it to start to become good and well written now. "Hyper boleigh"? lol. Incase that weird pronunciation was not on purpose, it's "high per-ber-lee".

[@danielpaine4112]

But Izzy talks to spirits too. She was talking to buttons whose the pony from gen 1 just like moondancer

[@BirdsRLyf]

Granny Smith was just a filly when Ponyville became an established town and her family were one of the OG families who founded the town. It wouldn't be out of the question if Elder Flower was a small filly at the Royal Wedding in G4.

[@centrallobisomemnanoite]

It was never shown what happened to the time spell after it disappeared, so maybe the spell ended up in G5 time and Elderflower found it, it's too crazy a theory to be real but I think it's funny

[@bandicootsauce4569]

The powers-that-be really should have just made Gen 5 its own thing, completely seperate from Friendship Is Magic. By tying the former to the latter, the writers were just shooting themselves in the foot.

[@ashleyandanime4815]

But wasn’t friendship is magic actually a continuation is the older mlp? Years into the future because apparently at the end of the mlp before friendship is magic unicorns and pegasi just started showing up

[@warriorcatkitty]

@@ashleyandanime4815 Nope. G4 was more of an updated version of older gens. They took characters from older generations and revised them. For example, they took Pinkie Pie from g3 but gave her an entirely new personality and mane-style. It's a remade version.

[@warriorcatkitty]

@@ashleyandanime4815 While you CAN link them if you wanted to, they are not canonically a continuation in any way.

[@cheerslove1010]

I just want the mane 6 to not be dead or assumed dead

[@grace_einstein1181]

I’m the comics, I’m pretty sure their all confirmed dead like a picture of ghost fluttershy

[@cheerslove1010]

@@grace_einstein1181I think just like G4 comics and G4, that the comics in relation to the show are iffy on what’s canon and what’s not between the two. The comics are often canon until the show writes over it and then whatever is in the show becomes the canon.

[@OmegaFox09]

About the last theory: I wouldn’t be surprised. But I just recently found out that g4 is still partially owned by discovery family. So g5 has limited use of what they can use (???)

[@adolfodef]

[Theory 4] Even if it was the case (like how it happened with the IDW comics "negative continuity" attempt using chad!Spike's fictional history writting hobby); it should NOT discourage us from building convoluted 4D bridges crossing timelines, realities & good old conspiracies. -> Equestria is real (in-universe) & it makes ontological sense (even with a Lord of Chaos passing through from time to time).

[@newbiegamelover4767]

The time travel theory would explain why she calls herself Moondancer's auntie rather than, oh I don't know... *niece?* Otherwise, we're kinda going the wrong way here... Also, your dog's reaction to you dropping at the end there...😁❤👌

[@zorkanH8]

Carousel boutique could have became a franchise name in the time since g4, rarity was kinda popping off in her business its not that crazy to think it would've survived by being passed down like GAP, or Hudson Bay clothing brands. When she says the hat is vintage she could either mean its a original that was preserved or perhaps a new hat, designed after the old, like how you can get Victorian dresses made this year, but are inspired from dresses of old. I think its been a couple hundred years, but not more then a thousand, maybe 400-500. We don't know how long ponies live either, Granny smith was an adult pony when ponyville was founded and was still a functioning senior by the time the show was present. There is a conflict in the wedding claim, if shes talking about the canterlot wedding its impossible that she is moondancers great-great-great-great- aunt and have been at the wedding as moondancer is STILL alive at the time of the wedding. Moondancer was probably AT the wedding, they cant have both been there. if she was her daughter or something maybe but the generation gap would make it impossible for them to both be there.

[@alecjackman2655]

TYT implies that it’s actually been a few hundred years since G4 since in one episode Sunny comes across a quilt that’s revealed to have been in her family for 7 generations and to add to it, queen Haven claimed that the way the quilt depicted the royal palace was out of date and that the palace hadn’t looked the same in centuries.

[@flutter_paws]

I was so shocked to see you didn't have thousands and thousands of subs, your videos deserve more love. Keep it up!! ♥

[@MrConredsX]

The hat isn't 1000 years old, why can't people understand its been around 250 years after S9?

[@danielpaine4112]

You’re mixing everything up ! The moondancer she is mentioning is a pony from generation 1. Just like Izzy mentioned other pony from gen 1 in chapter one called buttons. The moondance you’re mentioning can’t be her great great great great great Aunt (5 generations, like 5 gens of my little pony) because they lived at the same time during the royal wedding. Sunny has a picture of dream castle (gen 1) on her window. The heart shaped medallion is the rainbow of light from gen 1. I think they are trying to connect all generations.

[@mcloons3891]

I think she embellishes the truth, if not outright lies to make it more interesting for storytelling purposes (when *she's* storytelling, not referring to the writers), and/or because she's genuinely mistaken. Not as in "she's a complete fraud" just not entirely reliable. Edit: You also pointed out how she is potentially exaggerating or twisting the truth around 1:16, which I didn't catch

[@MyLittlePonyEraAgain]

Why would elderflower give a carousel boutique hat to the museum were it wont do its purpose? Wearing a 1000 year old hat is my dream now

[@JudyofJudyland2]

"changelings have only attended one wedding in the entirety of pony history" - you

[@Biervor4]

G4 plays more in the 40s-50s in my opinion. In G4 they had phones, electricity etc.

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

Sure she was at the invasion of Canterlot. It's only been 100ish yrs. That's less than half Granny Smith's age by the time she passed I assume between season9 finale and epilogue.

[@tundraghost429]

I think the whole wedding thing is actually her attending a changling wedding in the crystal empire and not the one in g4 season 2. That or the spirits she talks to can show her their memories and she’s seen so many memories that she has a hard time telling which is hers and which is the spirits

[@user-hm3qh2ef9r]

I’m pretty sure it could be least 100 150 or 200 years apart by how great she is to aunt and she said she threw out her hip probably means she was a old lady during the wedding. If that is true then at least 150 years or 200 years. Meaning this woman is like 200 and something or 300 something years old.

[@caffeinatedpossum]

A rather cracked out thought I had: G5 is the result of the Changeling Timeline? I would have to spend weeks figuring out all the details but in my head it makes sense lol

[@PeacePetal]

Even more likely than the writers screwing with us: The writers suck at their jobs and can't keep track of basic continuity. I mean, this is the same series that chose to delete the ears from Jazz's model and that released a TYT episode out of order spoiling the reveal of the dragons. As fun as it is to analyze it deeply, I'm pretty sure the writers have no idea what they're doing. They just wrote an old cooky mare and didn't realize that they completely ruined the timeline while doing so.

[@otterlydeerlightful3339]

Doctor Whooves needs to find companions SOMEWHERE....

[@maxstroberger5404]

Well the doctor from Gen 4 believes himself to be a time traveler not to mention we have a multiverse established in mlp so crazy things can just happen if you try to make logical conclusions out of logical situations you find something and that something is a crazy show about talking horses, I'm hoping for an answer too but if we don't get one then this is the best course of action because it won't matter who says what be we would never know.

[@SadLilSkeli]

Are people forgetting how granny Smith from g4 lived to be almost 300 years old? What if elder flower is just really really really old

[@gcatmsgc1980]

My theory: Elder Flower is either Twilight, Luster, or Pinkie Pie in disguise

[@Cxcd]

[[spoilers for chapter six]] In Chapter six, Elder Flower quite clearly recognized Opaline, but when saved by another pony, she immediately lied and said she didn't know her. That, combined with how I think Elder Flower is acting crazy and not actually crazy, I think there is some actual credence to the theory that Elder Flower is, theory number five, Twilight (or some other significant pony) in disguise. I will talk about this in the Chapter 6 video, whenever that comes out.

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

I think it's secret theory #5 the writers don't mean to screw with you, they are just incompetent. They constantly forget the core premise of g5 being that magic has only been restored in the last year or so. 🤔 The continuity of this story is hopelessly broken and it really isn't worth coming up with theories for it.

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

Wait wait, what do you mean Moondancer is good at magic? I don't remember her doing more than basic levitation. 🤔

[@sierrawhiskey5144]

>.>

[@amberwilliams6999]

Well I'm pretty sure that she was in the canterlot wedding ❤❤❤❤❤

[@aligallant6855]

What if she is a changeling

[@MPbmfm]

Or Elderflower is Discort

[@MewDenise]

They really screwed up with the timeline. It's not realistic and makes no sense to me. The writing isn't getting any better. I've given up on the show. But hey - that one "Opaline song" was great

[@CallmePhoneix]

WAIT WHY DONT YOU HAVE MORE SUBS

[@Cxcd]

im TRYING, OKAY?

[@CallmePhoneix]

@@Cxcd you made me like g5 thanks

[@GrimWolf001]

I guess you just didn't overanalyzed enough. I'm quite surprised you missed one of the most interesting theories...

[@Cxcd]

...which is? her being twilight sparkle?

[@GrimWolf001]

@@Cxcd SHE SEES DEAD PEOPLE!! Her ancestors share their knowledge with her, but not necessarily through words, but through experiences. She believes she was there, because in her mind she actually was there (without being crazy). This theory comes from @flashmacintosh. Also... It's kind of hard to piece together, but after the separation of the three tribes, and the conflict that made them all angry with each other, there was more or less 60 to 100 years of separation. So definitely couldn't be in alive during the Canterlot Wedding.

[@nonamenoname9322]

Please don’t call 3-D animation a cartoon. It’s two different medias of art. Just call it for what it is like a “show” or simply “animation.”

[@braylin5003]

The writers really ruined G4 finally with that single scene that essentially makes us believe that from the moment they pose for the final shoot of the last episode... Things went to hell and even though, there were literally 5 princesses they couldn't fight against Opaline.