She was "Groomed into Feederism"

[@Quirkyloverosee]

Wow, hi obesetobeast. I’ll be honest I don’t know much about you. Being in fat acceptance spaces I remembering hearing about you in a negative light as “fatphobic” content so I just wrote it off and never investigated it. Today, I’m truly humbled. This is another moment in this journey I’ve been on this year where I’ve witnessed how my preconceived notions of different beliefs can be so wrong. I am so genuinely thankful and grateful not just that you made this video, but to see someone like you be so compassionate, kind, honest, and open to these conversations. I don’t know your name, but I just wanna thank you from the bottom of my heart. You’ve made me see a few things in a different light, and I think I am going to need to rewatch this video a couple times. And btw I don’t Shame anyone getting WLS. It’s just not for me, and I don’t think it should be removed as an option. I just feel it’s too extreme, especially for someone like me. If you ever want to have a more In-depth conversation surround feederism I would love the chance to clear up some things and have a conversation with you. I just am so blown away at how level headed you are, and the way you handled this conversation literally had me in tears for good reasons. I broke into sobs when you made the comment “of course losing weight won’t get rid of the disabilities” or something like that. I want to lose the weight without surgery, and I know I can do it but it gonna take years and I’m okay with that. It took me about 25 to get to where I am now, so I’m okay with that. Dude, I could ramble for hours but I just want you to know this video deeply impacted my heart, and I’m so thankful a subscriber mentioned this video to me because I didn’t know about it until now. Thank you again. You just earned a new subscriber

[@Jessie161]

you got this girl. you’re smart and driven and you’re going places!!

[@vintageprue8728]

Do you think that planets feeder is a death feeder?

[@Springtimeyogurt543]

❤

[@LifeAfterLosing]

Love this response! We won’t steer you wrong on this side! I’ve been in your shoes and so has he. For me, it is my mission to let others know how much better life is on this side of things. Like night and day.

[@vintageprue8728]

👍@@LifeAfterLosing

[@emanzeism]

As with sex work, it's horrifying how big a role childhood sexual abuse plays in women being groomed into abusive relationships.

[@Jkjoannaki]

It's true, I personally don't understand how, I was the opposite for me. I was raped when I was 8 so it was really hard for me to trust someone and was very sexually repressed due to fear. I feel "lucky" this was my reaction to my trauma cause it protected me a lot

[@emanzeism]

I'm sorry for your trauma but I agree with you, ultimately your response kept you safe. @@Jkjoannaki

[@LifeAfterLosing]

@@JkjoannakiI’m so happy you have been able to move forward. Some of my friends were in that situation as well and it’s just horrific to think someone could harm a child like that.

[@Jkjoannaki]

@Fat2FitGregory to me it was frustration towards my mom bc we were out together when it happened and didn't protect me. She's nuts so I cut her off but now I talk to her after 8 years of blocking her from everywhere. It was a good lesson for her bc she is scared of abandonment (she has bpd) so she doesn't treat me like shit anymore. I honestly don't even feel the most rage to the rapist. That day was wild and taught me a lot about the shitty world we live in. We went to the cops and my moms date (why she left me alone) brought him there and the cops didn't care about him being a child rapist, they would hit him and yell "where are your (immigration) papers". Not once did they mention the rape, they would only mention that he was illegal and thanked me that I caught an "illegal alien" (their words) for them. When I was 19 I was drugged and raped by a Greek (I'm greek living in greece) and the cops sent me home calling me a whore. I knew as an 8 year old that the only reason they put my rapist in jail was bc he was illegally in the country, and at 19 I finally felt closure knowing that I'm not crazy for thinking that since my fascist mother wouldn't believe me and tell me it was also my fault. It never felt like my fault and my therapist told me that I was very emotionally mature kid to never blame myself and never feel guilty for it. But, it did make me anxious and scared to get close to people and took me years of therapy to trust people and open up again.sorry for the paragraph lol

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@Jkjoannaki You either become sex repulsed or go all in, Dr. Drew talked about this on Loveline all the time.

[@TheCompulsiveCreative]

For two decades, I was unknowingly married to a closeted gay man. Several years into our marriage, to explain his lack of sexual interest, he told me he was only attracted to morbidly obese women. He started pressuring me continuously to eat. Day and night. He would pinch and measure me, berate me, but I refused to gain weight that would be unhealthy. I told him I couldn’t understand his attraction to seeing people self-harming. He said he still loved me but thought I was too unattractive. I got sick from neurological disease and was home bound, isolated off-grid with him in the heart of a forest, and he refused to bring healthy food home. He hung pictures of obese women around the home that I would tear down. I had no way out of the marriage that I could see, as a disabled woman with a disabled child, no family, completely isolated and dependent. It was misery. It was when I became fully paralyzed and doctors thought it was unlikely I’d recover, that my husband abandoned me and came out of the closet. He told me he had never been attracted to women and had affairs through our entire marriage. Every time I hear of someone with a feeder fetish, I feel like they must be a very disturbed person.

[@ChronicallyAmused]

I am so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you are in a better place now ❤.

[@TheCompulsiveCreative]

@@ChronicallyAmused , thank you! I am doing quite well, now. I’ve made a full recovery and built a new life which I love, and am grateful for the opportunity to do so every day.

[@pbee.njayay444]

@@TheCompulsiveCreativeI am so so so happy to hear this! I wish you nothing but the best❤️❤️❤️ have a beautiful life

[@TheCompulsiveCreative]

@@pbee.njayay444 , thank you!

[@AyaTheTyga]

​@@TheCompulsiveCreativegod bless you ❤ you deserve so much better

[@nikkiq5124]

Weight loss surgery isn’t anorexia for the same reason going on a diet or doing OMAD isn’t anorexia. Anorexia isn’t simply eating a small amount. It encompasses the mental aversion to being “fat” and feeling inspired seeing really sickly thin bodies, the body dysmorphia of seeing yourself as larger than you are, the extreme amount of control you need to have over every morsel that enters your mouth and the desire to overcompensate with exercise/laxatives/etc. It’s more psychological really and getting your stomach surgically reduced to help you control yourself around food isn’t nearly the same.

[@so._.anyways]

Yeah that comment she made me highly dislike the rest of the video. What she said erases the whole “working on my mental health” in my opinion. I’m a twice recovered anorexic and almost lost my life to it, and I also struggle with extreme depression/ocd/anxiety. Most people who have anorexia have depression, and typically the death is because of suicide. Anorexia is a mental illness but she acts as if it’s a list of symptoms (not eating? Anorexia! pass out from low blood sugar? Anorexia!) it’s not that simple.

[@cherrycordiaI]

Yeah, I found myself thinking of her differently after that part. For some reason obese and overweight people love going out of their way to liken anything to anorexia nervosa, like it's the 'cute' or pitiable ED to have.

[@bananawitchcraft]

Medically, the term anorexia (on its own) simply refers to appetite loss, but that's not the way that most people use it. I have those type of thoughts. I still see weight gain as negative even though I'm underweight. I have OCD as well. It was strange watching her talk about being afraid of losing weight, and thinking she was too skinny when she was very overweight, because it's like anorexic thinking but in reverse. Not something you normally hear in a society that still generally equates slimness with beauty.

[@ladydi-lynn]

Her comment about weight loss surgery shows how uneducated and ignorant she is. She probably got denied for WLS and is obviously still in her food addiction and the mobility issues are directly a result of her lifestyle choices. She needs therapy with someone who specializes in food addiction. People like this are so infuriating, always full of excuses!!

[@georgespiggott5615]

I remember I was once called "borderline anorexic" by a psychologist due to my BMI being on the low end of normal, even though I told him repeatedly that I was having gastrointestinal issues that kept me from eating enough. I wasn't even underweight, just close to it. Anorexia is not just undereating. Someone I love has it, and her condition is very different from what I was experiencing.

[@janerecluse4344]

It just kills me, that she won't call that shit in the hotel 'rape'. You're getting fucked, you don’t want to be there, you're not resisting due to trauma responses and fear of reprisal, WE HAVE A WORD FOR THAT, LOVE 😫💔

[@killjinxx]

sometimes you know but you just don’t want to have to say it out loud

[@JezzaM77]

We need to stop normalising things like 'feederism'. Imagine if it was 'starverism'. What kind of reaction would be sparked by that?

[@ruminationstation4200]

There's plenty of people who diet and workout with their partners. Theres also men who prey on women with anorexia. Thats the problem -- it's all good and fine up until a point where it crosses into abusive, and it's hard to define that exact point

[@dexa8200]

I’m not disagreeing at all, both are disgusting concepts, but both are real and scary! Eugenia Cooney is a prime example of anorexia fetishist breeding grounds, she makes a decent amount of money streaming but mostly from horrifying fetishists :/

[@Xsarahm95X]

Oh that exists. There are ED forums where men fetishise emaciated girls. It’s disgusting.

[@mayaklast6334]

@@ruminationstation4200 Working out with your partner has little to do with one partner roleplaying Hansel and Gretel's witch with them and feeding them the whole house throughout the years, though... it's improving their health, while making your partner increasingly fat is detrimental to it which makes a huge difference in intent and consequences. And the initial remark talks about 'normalising' the behaviour... no one would argue preying on women with anorexia or making someone anorexic is an OK thing to do if both partners consent to it (I've never heard of dating websites targeting anorexic people for beautiful skeleton lovers either but maybe it's a thing somewhere... apparently, everything is a thing). If your kink is feeding someone and watching them get fat, it will necessarily become a problem at some point so I don't think there is any point where it is OK considering at its core it is one person (more or less) slowly destroying their partner's health.

[@queenizzy01]

@@mayaklast6334part of your comment makes it seem like being underweight/anorexic/bulimic is not also detrimental to a persons health. That assumption is false. Any type of eating disorder is very detrimental and can cause long term damage to someone’s health (and mental health) and even organ failure or death.

[@malloriedavis1324]

Always appreciate your balanced takes, Beast. It’s a complicated world we live in.

[@ObesetoBeast]

Thank you :)

[@lamichiganr326]

*I am 53 years old and my Mom was born in 1929, she told me my whole fat childhood that "Men don't date fat girls."* *So I am glad I didn't have a guy fall into my life who wanted me to eat myself to death.* *Oddly enough I did find a guy to marry me and it was and pretty tough 17 years, he cheated, and I am now finally living my best life.* *I am still considered fat, but my 2nd husband and I do weightlifting, cardio, and healthy cooking for longevity and fitness reasons; I'm sure lucky.*

[@BSG0005]

Please know that your 1st husband cheating on you really had nothing to do with YOU!! It was his own insecurities & lack of self worth that led to his infidelity.

[@mael2039]

Things like kink need to be consentual, but also safe and sane. There have been real cases where someone enthusiastically consented to being murdered and eaten. He got off on that. He wanted it. They made a video where he was excited and looking forward to it. Police recovered their entire online conversations from the time they met and it was all him wanting it. And guess what. The murderer still got convicted of murder. Because you can't really consent to something like that. If you think you consent to something like that, you're not mentally in a position where you can consent. And serious bodily harm and bringing someone to the brink of death by death feeding them is exactly the same thing. Its not something you can consent to. Even if in your mind you think you consent, its still not acceptable to do.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

People are friggin insane. Let Darwinism do it job.

[@khadyadjisall5708]

Feederism is a paraphilia. And sadly a dead one. Right now, on many plateforme you can find this type of content. Especially on TikTok. These mukbangs can even consider that.

[@juliawho]

i mean concept of consent regarding death is really up to debate. let’s not forget that euthanasia is legal and practiced but i get what you’re saying

[@orangeoranges6727]

i agree, very well put

[@shreyasiroy3579]

Well said

[@english-tudor]

As someone who grew up Mormon, I would not be surprised her issues with food and body image may be related to that. Mormon women and young girls are held to ridiculous physical standards. Eating disorders and need for antidepressants are abnormally high among Mormon women

[@amberinthemist7912]

Yup. Eating disorders are encouraged in mormon women. She just got the "wrong kind".

[@janerecluse4344]

A former roommate of mine was dragged to a talk for Mormon women that balls-out told them to eat their feelings.

[@BronzeDragon133]

@@janerecluse4344 Half the Mormons I know replace those minor caffeine addictions most of the rest of us have with a nice sugar addiction instead. While, quite bluntly, being indescribably self-superior about being more pure but being completely unhealthy weights, somehow.

[@LucidiqueDiavolina]

The vast majority of Utah Mormons are horribly addicted to sugar. Utah has dozens of soda and cookie shops that are all locally owned and operated by LDS people and the shops are constantly busy from open to close.

[@Pugetwitch]

6:55 that is SO WRONG! Im a survivor of both physical SA and covert. What she describes sounds like coercion, and that IS a form of sexual assault. The deciding factor is if you are telling the person that you don't want to do it, if you are pushing away, And it doesn't have to be a strong no period you don't have to be scared of sounding like a Debbie downer bitch by saying I'm not in the mood to do this right here. if you are making moves to get out of the sexual encounter and they continue to pressure you into it by saying things like I know you want this, it will feel good, hurry up and let's just do it, take your pants down, etc if they start telling you stuff like that and you're not trying to be with them and you're telling them you're not in the mood or "not here/now/etc" yet they are still pushing themselves up on you, that is called coercion.

[@ruminationstation4200]

I think the point is a lot of times people are taken advantage of in ways THEY might not be comfortable calling r@pe (as she doesnt appear to be). Where it doesn't meet the textbook legal definition,but was still a violation.

[@GemmaMarie278]

Exactly

[@kaylenkitty]

Same thing almost happened to me at 18. I was 220 lbs, was ape-rayed, emotional ate to 300lbs and lost, men took advantage of that and tried to make me their feedee.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

So sorry to hear that. I hope you are healing as much as possible.

[@03ursula3]

😢

[@angel1xoxo]

i’m so sorry ❤️😿

[@AbiGodinha]

I am so sorry ❤️

[@lainiwakura1776]

Men like that are predators and are good at sniffing out victims. Once you heal, you can spot them from a mile away.

[@allthingsspooky3818]

Someone being into "d3@th fead3rism" sounds more like a slow drawn out murd3r plot to me... that's evil💔 that sounds like a k!ller...

[@UranusRising]

There's actually a 2005 Australian film called "Feed". It's about a cybercrime detective trying to track down a k*ller he believes is responsible for feeding a woman to death. Really grotesque.

[@user-ei2je5oy7x]

It is. 100%. If you starved someone to death, it's murder. It's also worth underlining how under feeding children is neglect but over feeding isn't seen the same.

[@jessgrenier1539]

Your compassion towards obese people is refreshing in this "anti fat-acceptance" movement that is usually filled with mean and arrogant content producers. Thank you.

[@merffonyt2105]

Stealthing, for anyone wondering, is removing protection during intercourse without the other person‘s consent.

[@Katyloveheart]

😮 that's insane

[@loveinsearchofwords]

As someone who’s had bariatric surgery I never felt anorexic. I’m 4 years post op and feel normal as where prior I felt like a literal trash can/void i literally couldn’t stop eating .

[@LuxeMindsetVibes]

I agree with you Beast. Working on getting physically healthy & working on mental health should go hand & hand; like peanut butter & jelly. Regardless of size, almost everyone that goes to the gym & eats healthy, reports the gym reliefs stress and a healthy diet makes them FEEL better & raises confidence. Focusing on mental health helps to pinpoint WHY a person participate in their self-destruction because eating yourself to extreme obesity is detrimental. Both mental & physical health, need to be worked on.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

Spot on. It goes together

[@muchtested]

I feel very sad for this young woman, if she doesn't get over her fear of losing weight she may not see 40. I realize her weight is her armor as well as through which she received admiration.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

Damn that hit home for me. I used my weight as an armor too.

[@lainiwakura1776]

She clearly needs therapy.

[@HisFirstPet]

She’s not afraid of losing weight. That’s straight up bs.

[@muchtested]

@@lainiwakura1776 Yes, she does. It would be hard to put her life back together with a lot of people screaming "fatphobia" at her.

[@muchtested]

@@LifeAfterLosing I hope things are going better for you.

[@yumki00]

I used to be terrified of loose skin. I started losing weight a year and a half ago and I remember how paranoic I would get about it. So far I have lost around 130lbs (~60kgs) and I can assure you, I would take the loose skin over being fat. Yeah, I'm not happy with it, obviously, but it's so much better being able to look myself in the mirror and see my collarbones, my jawline, being able to move like a normal person without needing to gasp for air... If you're thinking of going on a weight loss journey, but you're scared of the loose skin, do it. It's so worth it in the end.

[@mistyblue9610]

I sympathize with her horrific experience, but her anger toward Nikocado sounds misdirected. Regardless of if he does it as a fetish or not, he’s consensually performing an act that can be taken sexually but isn’t inherently sexual. That could be applied to anything depending on the audience member. If he’s receiving pay or services from someone who’s a feeder - that’s also consensual 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@karilnowak7962]

He has also lived a different life in the past (as a very slim vegetarian or vegan) and can always go back to old patterns if he chooses. Many commenters believe he is quite intelligent and has played his audience in a comedic way just to make money. But it is up to him to shift his focus. If he is that smart (as he thinks he is), he has to be able to see the dangers of what he has been doing to himself and try to save his health, if he can.

[@mistyblue9610]

@@karilnowak7962 He does. I used to be a member of his Patreon. He shares a lot of real health updates. He wasn’t healthy as a Vegan either, and acknowledged that he’s gone in a completely opposite unhealthy direction. Regardless though, I’m more referring to that everything he’s taking part in is consensual and to compare her experience with his seems way off base.

[@SheenaWilson92]

Nikocado has an only fans account where he creates explicit content of himself. His ‘normal’ yt videos also include shots of him doing things that are turn ons for feeders that to someone without that kink may seem like nothing. His channel is explicit but he gets away with it, there’s been several videos by other yt people who’ve mentioned this and shown some of that stuff.

[@ms.trashcan8187]

⁠@@karilnowak7962when Nik was vegan he had an ED and was in a proana vegan cult and he left bc they were literally starving to death there , so I wouldn’t recommend him going back to old patterns but more healthier patterns

[@katodd2925]

Come on, don't be naive. Nickocado has an OF. And KZbin is what he uses to promote it.

[@sarnar73-ll8rl]

Thank you for saying this I was thinking the same thing when I heard her say “medically induced anorexia” my heart stopped, I’ve struggled most of my life with anorexia and I get so angry listening to someone talking about it who has absolutely no concept of what it is, mocking it, using it in a derogatory way, it’s so hurtful and frustrating.

[@visibleghost1]

While obese people can switch from BED to anorexia and completely switch behaviors, restriction is part of BED and that's something I think needs to be understood more. I don't say this in an eating disorder olympics way, but genuinely while eating disorders are fluid and often do change throughout a person's life, behaviors switch etc. a LOT has to happen to switch from anorexia to binge eating disorder or vice versa. Someone may have more binge behaviors or more restrictive behaviors in different periods, but the underlying main problem that they struggle with the most is what determines what their eating disorder should be classified as. This person said "anorexia symptoms", and I'm not saying she self dxd as anorexic, but labels matter and I think more people need to understand the restrictive parts of BED and the binging parts of AN better.

[@BethanyGraceHolmes]

I think the most problematic part of what she said was comparing having potentially life saving bariatric surgery with being anorexic. She seems to have a misunderstanding of anorexia - here she alludes to it being purely about eating too little when in reality it is a debilitating and potentially fatal mental health disorder.

[@YogirlTTDOINGherbest]

Just to comment on her dad’s story a bit. She seems to be blaming the surgery, but it could be just because he is older. And how long was he big? Cause even thoe he lost the weight sometimes because he was big for a very long time it still could have an effect on his overall health now. Example: there was that women that had lost a lot of weight was getting very healthier but she still died shortly after because of having that weight on her for so long prior. I very much could be wrong, but I wish she just asks more questions because her weight will cause her many issues in the long run. Not that she couldn’t lose the weight without surgery of course if she ever decides to do that.

[@Toasteater97]

Yes!

[@ChrisOdinson132]

Kayla Shaye has a great video about the founders of Fat Acceptance being feeders. As soon as fat women took over and wanted to push feederism out of it and just hold space for Fat people struggling with disconnection from their body the founders withdrew any funding or advertising for it. Its heartbreaking, as someone who was SAed and had a queerphobic stalker a space with safe, kind, fat people could have really helped me as a child.

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

SAed? Use the proper term-sexually assaulted. Your abbreviations are insulting and demeaning!

[@vprothermel]

My girlfriend had gotten weight loss surgery last year and has lost over 160 pounds since then. She did it because she had tried almost everything and it wasn't working for her. So that's what made her decide on getting surgery. I was 100 percent supportive of her throughout her entire journey. I think people have to lose 30 lbs. before they go into the surgery. My girlfriend had lost 50 lbs beforehand. I was with her when she was in the hospital. She looks amazing as ever and I couldn't be more proud of her.

[@zazzlev]

so happy for y’all!

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

@@zazzlev Congratulations to her!

[@yourgoodfriendkit]

Anorexia is not weight loss. Weight loss is a symptom of the mental illness anorexia. Saying wls is medically sanctioned anorexia is like saying morning sickness is just socially acceptable bulimia. Not comparable at all

[@irmaktemel7171]

Not all weightloss is equal too. Some people lose rapid weight due to a loss of appetite due to sickness, some people go the healthy slow and steady route and some do crash diets or just eating much less of what they ate before but in the knowledge that it is temporary. These all have their own factors and similarities as well as differences but none of them point to Anorexia. Claiming they are the same is just very disrespectful to those who are battling with the mental illness and trying to recover

[@beesams6652]

I listened to this whole podcast today. Listening to her story was really hard. She’s had a really hard life.

[@theshepherds2846]

I’m a big girl, but she outweighs me by 200 lbs. I can’t imagine carrying that body weight around. If she lives long enough, her knees and hips are going give out on her, then she becomes immobile, which will be a death wish. I wish her well, she has a tough road ahead of her.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

I’m paying for it now! People don’t know what they are in for as they age. I’m in good shape now but my knees are paying the price.

[@Enlotherover]

I personally think feederism is a broad kink. So exploring it isn't really an issue. Like people think it's just eat this and get fat, but it seems to be more than that in most cases. However, death feederism is an absolute NO. Her story doesnt really make sense to me, but maybe I need to watch the whole podcast. I wish her peace and a healthy journey from here.

[@AnnaGorelova-f7o]

Idk imo I don't think feeding someone with the purpose of making them fat for one's own enjoyment is,, healthy or ethical in any way really

[@irmaktemel7171]

@@AnnaGorelova-f7o Some people like more fuller figured or curvy woman and if both parties consent, and it’s not to the point of potential health risks, I don’t see why would it be an issue. We see partners encouraging each other to get fitter and approve of that as a society but that’s not always healthy either. Whether what the person put their body through to achieve that or the potential risks of having a super fit figure. Especially for women since maintaining some body fat percentage is vital for reproductive health and hormonal balance

[@Mel-mu8ox]

7:57 If ppl had a choice and didn't do things out of desperation. There would be a LOT less people doing fetish stuff :/

[@GemmaMarie278]

110% most women I’ve met are groomed and coerced into sex work even plenty who have onlyfanz and consider themselves girl bosses. We will see the fallout from ptsd diagnoses in the coming ten, twenty years of the younger generations are they start to process their trauma and abuse. Speaking from experience and having my best friend 20 years ago being pulled into sex work, my sister being groomed and myself being groomed and raped and assaulted. Many of these SA attacks lead to a hypersexual phase and a cycle of abusive relationships, before one reaches the threshold of pain to try to un alive themselves or has the courage to ask for help. It’s hard and I’ll never not stand by this. There is nothing normal or okay about groomed into anything with anyone at any time for any purpose.

[@tinaallen5263]

Loose skin has always scared me but you’re absolutely right. You’re helping people mentally and physically. That’s really, really cool.

[@mastergirl922]

Mukbangs in its original origin was a fetish in Korea. It started as being a kink where viewers pay money to see a tiny cute girl or buff gym guy eat thousands of calories of (sometimes strange) food. The goal was to remain skinny and the mukbanger had to workout excessively to maintain their small size. It’s glorifying a eating disorder.

[@Punk-possum]

I thought that originally it was about eating normal meals on livestream so that others could watch while also eating so they'd have company

[@maenad1231]

@@Punk-possumit was But a minority of people fetishized the content and didn’t really keep it a secret. Leading to some non-Koreans being mislead into believing the original purpose of the content was to be fetish content rather than social content. Part of the reason their mukbangs were quite literally what the name means (eating broadcasts). It was the norm for mukbangers to be live broadcasting themselves eating in real time _(not uploading some pre-recorded video)._ This live footage allowed viewers to feel like they actually were eating with someone because they were both eating in real time, they could see + hear the mukbanger eating in real time, and felt a sense of interaction with them to some extent. One part of the reason mukbangs were so large is so the lvoe broadcast can go on for longer. More time spent broadcasting the more money you can make & more time spent broadcasting the more different viewers can make it on time to tune in and join

[@relaxandunwind564]

No, it wasn’t

[@candyzombiee]

girl this is literally just wrong info

[@shayranay]

I can sort of understand people’s fear of loose skin, I had it for a moment myself when I started my weigh loss journey, but now that I’m 160 lbs down (with LOTS of loose skin) the self consciousness caused by my skin situation is soooo small compared to energy and joy I feel at my current weight (175), I didn’t realize how much life I was missing out on until I experienced it for myself 💕 and yeah, my arms, thighs and belly are a MESS esthetically but I can go for jogs, keep up with my kids and do so many things I never dreamed I’d be able too do when I was over 300 lbs

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

We live in a wage slave society where money is the "only" thing that matters and people will do "anything" to get it.

[@RK-dc2es]

I kinda hate the fact she thinks anorexia is just "restricting calories", so weight loss surgery=medically induced anorexia. Anorexia is a state of mind, a mental illness, not just an action. Unless the weight loss surgery is causing you to develop neurotic, highly ritualistic, irrational, obsessive and compulsive thinking patterns around weight loss, then don't compare it to anorexia.

[@deepdrag8131]

You are SOOOOOOO right. There is so much public ignorance and misconception about anorexia and eating disorders in general. You can pay attention to someone’s weight or diet but that only gets you to the superficial aspects of the problem. People who really understand know that underneath it all there’s trauma and isolation and an incapacity to achieve healthy control so there’s sure to be unbalanced and disordered control. You can’t be free of ED until you’re balanced physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally. Then you can achieve healthy eating habits and body weight without being obsessed with food or the number on the scale.

[@KassiLSmith]

I’m hearing her speak and I think most people are looking for the “Ah-ha moment” when the line gets crossed. But I don’t know that ever happens… because if you asked a victim of this, or a victim of abuse of even an addict… there’s never that moment that the lightbulb go off… it’s something you come to terms with years into your addiction or years into your abuse and you’re like, “I need to get out of this, but I don’t know how”…. And then you recognize it for what it is. And I’ve never experienced what she’s talking about, but I have been in an abusive relationship. It happens so slowly that you can’t ever pinpoint where it crossed into abuse or rape. So, I don’t think this sounds so alarming to people or as deep as that mental prison really is- I’m just so sorry this happened to her.

[@stale_bongwater1]

Restrictive diets with BED can be really tough. For me, IF is actually the only thing that's kept me in a good place to manage CICO, but I was once put on a very restricted diet called AIP by a doctor and it triggered a huge backslide with my BED. Overall, therapists are probably the best people to listen to when it comes to this, assuming they have a good understanding of ED.

[@Toasteater97]

I doubt the bones have anything to do with a stomach surgery 20 years ago, and if they do, it’s more than likely minimal. His weight and lack of exercise using weights let alone lack of exercise at all, along with nutrition more than likely are the cause for his bone health plus genetics and other factors.

[@ange3193]

I just went to bbw reddit to see what was being refered to and i am traumatised

[@JenniferBrindley]

I would like her to please make that 2 hour video on Nikocado.

[@shimmerence]

first video i’ve seen from this channel and i’m surprised that what could have been a lazy reaction is actually thoughtful discussion + only includes relevant clips instead of milking the original content.

[@ellieblackwell9754]

This is unrelated but I was on this podcast a month ago and it’s so weird seeing these channels collide

[@ObesetoBeast]

Lol, well that’s cool

[@anonymoususer4983]

Ellie I watched your episode and I related to so much of your story when I was younger. crazy seeing you here in Jon’s comments too lol. proud of you and good luck in college! You seem wise beyond your years and I’m sure it’ll be a great experience of finding yourself :)

[@ellieblackwell9754]

@@anonymoususer4983thank you so much it means a lot!

[@Mikmikmouse]

Love your perspective on things. I don’t sense much bias from you in general and you clearly have a lot of empathy. Thanks for sharing!

[@powerpuff4ever]

Time to reevaluate how necessary it is to not kink shame. I will immediately shame this

[@Billy.at.Raccoon]

Thank you for the break down. I got lost in the original long video and the cliff notes version works better me. Im new to your channel but your beeak down made watching this interview more bearable for me. Attention is definitely not my strong suit.

[@courtneyshaw1648]

Being too fat or being too skinny is incredibly unhealthy.

[@FatBlokeDoingStuff]

Some people shouldn't talk about science. She also said "co-horsed".

[@toericabaker]

wow she mispronounced 1 word

[@colleenmcbride3656]

​@@toericabakerRight?! Wait until they hear the President talk😂

[@FantaPopRockz]

She sounds like a very reasonable smart self aware person

[@discoveringthei]

On your whole Sex Work thing of doing it because you want to, or doing it because you have to, That is the majority of americans with the majority of work they do to survive.

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

Wage slaving sux.

[@katelynspencer8392]

I can’t imagine being so traumatized that this happened . I was 292 pounds a month and a half ago , now I’m 260 lbs. that’s 30 pounds just eating normal serving sizes . I’m in a calorie deficit, which isn’t as hard as my brain made me think it would be

[@mathiasbartl903]

Someone who is too fat to fight or fly and depende for care, and also has low self esteem is the perfect victim.

[@seriouslyoverit2971]

Yt guidelines and family friendly content is against mukbangs as of 2022. They feel like its not healthy for kids so much that it's under the family friendly content under Ads. This happened during the apocalypse where advertisers threatened to stop running ads or limit ads. Just like tv advertisers can not picth unhealthy eating or smoking to kids. You may think its ok but yt advertisers set a clear rule against portraying unhealthy eating

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

Being against weight loss surgery is so crazy, especially considering how overweight she is.

[@toxicstateofmind7751]

It’s actually disgusting listening to her. Like this is an adult with impulse control. An she just excuses herself from any responsibility.

[@seachelschneiders]

Thank you. The woe is me narrative caused me to stop listening pretty quickly

[@melt3563]

"Did that person really want to do that?" No, John, they often don't. But poverty makes demands.

[@melt3563]

Preemptive statement: I'm not talking about people who get into SW because they genuinely want to.

[@RavingKats]

This isn't just about a food fetish of being turned on by feeding someone or watching someone eat, which is what I think you are saying you're ok with? Fat fetishism also includes both ‘feederism’ and ‘gaining’ in which sexual arousal and gratification is stimulated through the person (referred to as the ‘feedee’) gaining body fat. Feederism is a practice carried out by many fat admirers within the context of their sexual relationships and is where the individuals concerned obtain sexual gratification from the encouraging and gaining of body fat through excessive food eating. Sexual gratification may also be facilitated and/or enhanced the eating behaviour itself, and/or from the feedee becoming fatter - known as ‘gaining’ - where either one or both individuals in the sexual relationship participate in activities that result in the gaining of excess body fat. This may not only involve eating more food but also engaging in sedentary activities that leave the feedee immobile. Some fat admirers may also derive pleasure from very specific parts of the body becoming fatter. It's one thing to want to feed someone chocolate covered strawberries as a sensual or kink thing - which is not feederism - and another to engage in fat fetishism and feederism as both gratification and as a form of power and control to the point of disability and/or death.

[@BunniBeshara]

I have to wonder if her dad’s bone issues were from the excess weight on his body… I’m sorry but laypeople making opinions in medical procedures as if they know more than the doctors drives me up the wall.

[@dlsjr123]

As a fat guy in the gay community I get so tired of guys wanting to fatten me up even more. Tired of being someone's fetish. Getting wls later this year and it can't come soon enough

[@Brooklyntrash]

Good luck!

[@zeltheclown7720]

I think there's a strictly fine line between a fetish and enabling someone. Any "fetish" that can kill someone, whether it's consensual or not, should not be normalized. I understand that you're taking a lighter approach to it since it's labelled as a "fetish" (and respectfully, what people consent to is their own business,) but when it's actively hurting and killing someone, that's when it shouldn't be labelled as such.

[@vegaxpunk]

Having a food addiction and the money to support it and the ability to instantly have any food in any amount any time with zero effort for basically free sounds like a nightmare

[@ProudlyShadowBanned]

That's USA 😂

[@mozlover21]

I’m not sure I understand your take here. Doesn’t seem very logical. Who cares if someone consents to this or not. It’s wrong. It’s sick. It’s unhealthy.

[@woadxqueen666]

Because they're adults with their own will. How are you not understanding? People do drugs. People do extreme sports. People do sex work. People climb Mount everest. None of that can be considered healthy to a degree but who cares because they're consenting adults. Morality has nothing to do with it

[@helena4440]

Yeah agree, the whole "kinkshaming" term/conversation is idiotic. Idc if someone consents to indulge in your rape fantasies, you're still a fucking weirdo, same goes for this feeder stuff

[@Enlotherover]

It's bc they're adults. Also feederism is broad from my understanding. It's not just eat this, get fat. I've met people into this and it's very much different interests, and some don't even involve forced weight gain, or weight gain at all.

[@beck6320]

Did they cut that first bit out because I watched this the other day and I don’t think I saw the part

[@HaylieHallucinate]

WOW, my two favorite channels whaaaaat!!! you should totally reach out and go on her show!! you have quite a impactful story to share yourself !!

[@user-ei2je5oy7x]

Couldnt disagree more as the victim of a feeder. Feeders want to make their victims (yes, victims) helpless and reliant on the feeder. Its a way of slowly controlling someone to helplessness. Feeding is not a kink. Its a mental disorder and an abusive trait.

[@Brooklyntrash]

Absolutely agree. I obviously don’t know you, but I’m so glad you’re out of that situation.❤️

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

Feederism is a kink.

[@og666]

"i can see feet right now"

[@DarkEntries]

An ex-fetus model

[@HisFirstPet]

You actually LISTENED to two HOURS of that drivel? Kudos to you because I could barely take the clips! This is what their “movement “ has gotten us to? 500 lb “anorexics” who are “afraid” to lose weight and talk smack about WLS while they are literally eating themselves into an early grave? I was a fat kid and a fat adult. When I finally decided I didn’t want be an obese adult and miss out on SO many things I had up to that point missed out on, I lost weight and there is NOTHING in this world that is as good as being in a smaller body FEELS. It’s been over ten years since I lost my 120 lbs and when I put on 15 or 20 lbs because I let myself slip due to life circumstances be them good or bad, I can FEEL the difference and it makes me stop and get back into a healthier lifestyle. Until people like this give up their delusional way of thinking (aka wls is some abomination) they will never change and just keep lying to themselves. I’d love to see where she is in 10 years if she keeps going. She won’t have to worry about the “diabetes thing”. She’ll be dead.

[@elizabethtovar3603]

💯!!!

[@Sabrina-gi9zw]

I'd love for her to talk about Nikocado and Amber!

[@karilnowak7962]

I have listened over the past year to a number of reaction channels and content providers where they have had the sleeve, some fairly recently, others eight or more years ago. While it is true that the small size of the stomach will prevent eating more than 700-1200 calories a day without constant snacking, there is clear guidance that when the person eats after WLS it needs to be focused on protein and certain easily digested vegetables, accompanied by vitamin supplements. This is not a starvation diet when the patient has hundreds of excess pounds to lose. It's not easy because it requires discipline and making the right choices day after day, year after year. Too often a severely overweight person thinks it is impossible to survive on such few calories. But many people do (including myself.) Not to diet, just because we are not driven by food addiction or BED. We don't hate food, it' just not the focus of our life, and unless you are taller than average, a woman who eats 1200 calories a day of mostly whole foods and is 5'3" doesn't really need more food than 1000-1200 calories to survive, much less be healthy. To observe their thought tangle of thinking that someone who normally eats 5000 calories (or more) a day will die if they eat 1200 calories is fairly stupid. Yes, you should step it down gradually, understand where your calories are coming from (Is it from the Starbucks drinks at 700 calories and excess sugar, several times a day? Is it from the pizzas and chicken wings and burgers or pasta or ice cream you love so much?) I love pasta, but I won't eat it with pepperoni or sausage , or bottled commercial sauce. I love vegetables more and make my sauce from fresh ingredients. It's not to diet, it's because this is how it tastes the best. The drift away from vegetables and fresh fruit and preparing your own food is so sad. Basic cooking is not hard. A chicken breast or thigh, your own burgers, a small steak, a pork chop takes 10-20 minutes if you try.

[@AngelinaSmith-yu6wn]

I don't get why people don't like longer videos. I enjoy them. Anything under an hour is reasonable, especially if your reacting to someone else's videos.

[@anhelaanhela4996]

So you're okay with someone overfeeding their partner "consensually"? What is someone wants to st4rve their partner "consensually"? That's also okay by your logic.

[@uhmaggie3303]

I mean as long as no one else gets hurt, two consenting adults can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. Hence the word “consenting” and “adults”

[@Santiago-in1xf]

I feel like the problem is that you can't easily withdraw consent. There's no safe word that can get you out of being a deathfat once you become one. Lose mobility and they are extra stuck.

[@mozlover21]

Yeah his take on this makes zero sense

[@mozlover21]

@@uhmaggie3303By definition someone IS getting hurt. Drug addicts take drugs consensually but would you not do everything you possibly could to prevent your child from doing drugs? Why are people so dumb nowadays.

[@HM-cq2rv]

Yeah I think it’s different than other kinks because you are doing long term damage to your health and could die from it

[@CorntwallLipstickQueen]

Sorry the math ain’t mathin with her story

[@karilnowak7962]

This was a decent video, EXCEPT I cannot agree with your wishy washy approach about consensual feederism. So if you select an alcoholic as your "friend" and send them money to encourage them to buy more alcohol, and it's consensual, that's ok? My mother was an alcoholic for thirty years and it tore our family apart and, believe me, when my father died and left her very well off, she surrounded herself with enablers who would run to the liquor store whenever she wanted to buy her large bottles of brandy. It was NOT OK. She started falling and had to be hospitalized to dry out for a week at a time. She stopped cooking (and she used to be a great cook.) Now she made one egg a day, maybe a tiny burger.Then she demanded pain meds and drank and took the pain meds when she could get them. She could barely put two words together, she was so stoned all the time. She finally wised up and begged me to help her and I fired all the enablers and went to check on her every two weeks and the last two years of her life she was mostly sober, but took up chain smoking which killed her (she had asthma.) Let's not minimize addiction. It's a killer and those who actively encourage it are evil.

[@taylorbug9]

My fiance's brother just passed away today because of drug addiction. His family is in so much pain and grief over their loss. Addiction is so serious and deadly.

[@anon_ya]

@@taylorbug9I’m so sorry. 🙏🏼😢

[@karilnowak7962]

@@taylorbug9 Truly sorry for your loss. Don't blame yourself from not being able to help them, because they have to help themselves when they're ready. One of the hardest things to realize in dealing with an addicted family member (mother, father, brother, whatever) is that you are not as important to them as your heart wishes you were, no matter how kind or tough love you try to be to help them. I had to cut ties with my mother for a time and only stepped back in to actively help her when she would call me repeatedly crying , almost incoherent, asking me to help her. Her enablers were trying to get her to sell her property to them for a fraction of the value. I said. I've been through this before, and if you are serious, I will come out and do everything I can for you, but you have to support me and not choose your enablers before me. She agreed and I made them gone and she got better.

[@faiiry333]

alcoholism and kink are two completely different things and you know this

[@karilnowak7962]

@@faiiry333 Actually, I unfortunately know about addiction, but I know nothing about kink. Never been there, never wanted to be there (no offense.) There's enough sh*t in normal sex to mess your life up. If it helps you, if you are not harmed and your partner isn't harmed and you don't display this in front of young children, I have nothing to say about it. What I hate about addiction, whether it is from alcohol or drugs, is that it only serves the addicted person, that it creates a divide between them and their family members, that it makes them not care - not about themselves, not about others who look for them for love for even just someone to talk to when they have troubles. One of the worst times of my life when I had a breakup with someone I wanted to spend my life with, I didn't sleep for two nights with a knife across my wrists, deciding how and when I would kill myself. I called my drunk mother and all she said was "Are you still upset about that?" I got over it, but only after starving myself for several months having decided not to eat. A trainer at my gym brought me back, he could see I wasn't eating and had lost over 20 pounds but he never knew why, just gave me kindness and time.

[@longdrawarcher4857]

Holy shit that first chick is big.

[@idotechno]

In reference to working on mental health before physical health, IMO and experience, working on both physical,and mental health together is best because of how our brain and body works together... To be successful in thinking differently about ourselves, believing in ourselves, healing our innerselves, requires daily practice. Repitition of thought and conscious choices to be better or do better. Adding physical activity to your wellness journey is beneficial because as you condition your body with new movements and muscle building, you condition your mind with new ways of thinking and confidence builds with each days accomplishments. 💗✊🙌 the brain might not technically be a muscle, but in so many ways it is. Instead of lifting weights the brain lifts the spirit.

[@elenapic6859]

As I understand, WLS helps give a "reset" to your body in that some things work more healthier, like hormones and stuff, and also your hunger and fullness response in a physical sense. And maintaining a 1200-1400 cal healthy diet on the regular aided by the fact your body doesn't send the previous affected signals looks very different to me from the physical signs and totally unhealthy eating patterns of anorexia. But I can definitely see how it may be not the best for someone who has had problems with restricting, or at least needs much more psychological work.

[@WildWinterberry]

Its very sad what happened to her, but feederism is a very broad spectrum. Some people like skinny and healthy girls (usually) to stuff themselves with healthy food, some like them to do unhealthy food, some people like to feed their partner up to a certain weight, and some people just like the act of humiliation when they feed the partner too much and dont focus on weight gain. Assuming all feeders are into killing or immobilising their partners is like assuming all people into spanking like to beat their partners.

[@ellec2935]

I sure wish her the best. She's very young and has a lot of life to live.

[@Jdbreal299]

No she dosent 5 yr max being that fat

[@desyxd4400]

I think feederism is far more generalizing than people realize. Plenty of people show love through feeding you, caring for you. Men like to care for their wives, provide in that way. Women show that same care in cooking for their family, nurturing them. This is a very good hearted desire to have. HOWEVER, on the flip side, there are people who crave a sense of superiority over others, those who want to laugh at fat people and their suffering to boost their own ego, or keep a partner handicapped for a sense of security in that sense of superiority. THAT’S WHEN IT GOES WRONG. Many links are about a sense of being worshiped, or degrading other people to a lower station to boost our own fantasies of desirability or superior value.

[@bellablue6818]

Anyone else think she sounds like Demi lavato??

[@pmcfearson9453]

This woman is a constant stream of extreme drama. How much of her issues is she actively seeking and playing wounded bird.

[@deepdrag8131]

Man! You are looking fine. You’re the image of good health.

[@zev007]

She claims it was a private disagreement, but she posted about their disagreement publicly, including dragging her friend's underage child into it. This woman is delusional, not a victim.

[@lunadeee7672]

I dont get it if someone keepster giving your food cant u say i am not hungry or dont eat it?

[@nickygouldstone3532]

This strikes me as excuses not to tak accountability for her own life choices.

[@ElleChelleSky]

The issue is that people normalized watching mind numbing videos like people eating. What a waste of time. Socially it has become acceptable, so now the fetishists come out from the shadows thinking it’s accepted.

[@DorisHeyyy-vc4rh]

Idk. This is an adult woman with agency. I am into feedist kink, but I go from a 23 bmi to a 29 and then back down. If it’s consensual, I don’t see an issue. Like anything else that isn’t good for us, it’s risk reward. She’s trying to blame others for choices she made that probably were made before she got into kink if she started out as a ssbbw. She was just an enormous woman not into the kink that chose attention and money over what she truly wants. She is a deathfat, feedist or not, and should lose weight if she doesn’t want to be. Her story doesn’t check out, imo. I think she’s lying

[@phendranaa]

Yeah it's one thing to monetize a kink you already have and another to jump into a kink to get love attention and money

[@cutienerdgirl]

She was literally raped as a child, abused, and was blackmailed into feederism. It wasn't consensual at all and she didn't know what she was getting into. Please don't blame her because you're a feeder or a "feedist." It's not bad to acknowledge that there are a lot of abusive people into the feeder kink.

[@DorisHeyyy-vc4rh]

@@cutienerdgirl there are, but I don't believe her story is all. When you put yourself out there on a public forum, not everyone will believe you without question. IMO, her story doesn't check out. I think she is like some of the large women in the space that feel they can't get attention otherwise and lean into feedist spaces to get what they want from whoever will give it to them. Then, after they have made that decision, they cry victim for a choice they made. Her early experiences are tragic, but they are probably responsible for how she uses and would use food outside of kink. I hope she gets the help she needs.

[@amberinthemist7912]

Sounds like you want to desperately believe your lifestyle is healthy by dragging this woman.

[@julieneve2791]

what if an anorexic person, did a what I eat in a day, or mukbang and all you saw them eating was lettuce, celery, and broth

[@loveinsearchofwords]

They already do that and have plenty of views on tik tok. It’s not necessarily right but the only thing we can do is just not watch

[@lindsay4938]

This is so hard to listen to. This poor woman. :(

[@Prettyboyrights]

Genuinely I don't understand why feederism is controversial. It's straight up bad. If you are hurting yourself, whether consensual or not, it does not make it okay. In the same way, I think people who overdose consensually or cut themselves consensually need help, I think people who are pleasured by things that harm themselves need help- including feederism. There is the added layer of people sometimes being lured in or groomed or tricked which makes it even more sad because these people are VICTIMS to someone else's pleasure.

[@Stephjvb]

Hey john😊 did you notice candy (hungry fat chick) doing so well? Would love to see your reaction to it ❤

[@nothanksplease]

What is consent when laced with mental illness Beast?

[@MjlovesMinivans]

Well being 500 pounds is no joke a very hard life and some people don’t want to put in the hard work to getting healthy working out cuttin out eating alot of calories and so if u get with someone whose feeding you as you gain more and more weight you need oxy to breath and they are in A lot of pain I feel like they’d just be accepting that they wana die

[@alessandrocoppede3066]

I'm very confused. When did you start looking like Tom Holland?

[@kiikachu]

All things aside, when did feederism become a word?

[@ElleChelleSky]

Did she just say “straight sized”? Wtf kind of SJW saying is that? 12:40

[@deepdrag8131]

I think she means the size straight people are as opposed to the size gay people are. But I’m not sure what the difference is.

[@jayaCatLvr-ys5ix]

I think it means average size person, not morbidly obese.

[@knotzed]

If thats the case ppl are groomed into working on subtic tanks they really dont want to but the moneys there... wtf she mean groomed into it?

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Muknang content is frequently self-harm.

[@irmaktemel7171]

Depends on what the person does outside of mukbangs and how frequent it is. There are channels that don’t eat copious amounts of food every other day. Some eat normal or slightly bigger portions of foo and post a few times a month with the focus on the ASMR or the visual appeal of said food. So mukbangs aren’t necessarily or inherently a form of self-harm. It is just the act of filming and posting yourself eating food. No specific quantity or frequency is attached to it. Just to broad your perspective by giving you an example. There is this old guy in his 60s I believe who films himself eating a typical size meal very slowly while chatting with the viewers about the goings on in his life. That’s not even close to being classified as self harm. Not every mukbang is as extreme as you might imagine from watching these people talk about their experience

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@irmaktemel7171 My point stands.

[@beautifullybroken4879]

She acts like her fatness doesn't have longterm health issues

[@-cMc-]

I think it's hard for youtube to limit muckbang content. Bc there isn't anything wrong with eating food. But youtube videos generally do better if they are short 10 min videos 😅. You have to condense a whole eating session in 10 min and you have to be entertaining. So there isn't anything sultry about it