Shelby GT500 Crushes Camaro SS! - Drag Race Showdown

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

In 2006, Ford used the rights to the iconic logo as well as other assets as collateral for financing a turnaround. The gamble paid off and the company regained use of the blue oval last year. Ford is also now enjoying good financial ratings and reviews. It was also the only U.S. automaker to make it through the financial crisis without filing for bankruptcy and taking a government bailout. This year the company’s stock is up 32 percent.

[@TheGeorgeLara]

LOL chevy fanboys mad that their transformers bumblebee car lost a race "oh noo, its not fair, the mustang has a supercharger"..... *Camaro ZL1 gets supercharger... still gets whooped by the Shelby*

[@327gtr]

+TheGeorgeLara haha until they get to the first corner...then the best ford can do is fordieth!

[@TheGeorgeLara]

D Taylor lol nice one, except nurburgring and laguna track times say mustangs are still better even at cornering ;)

[@327gtr]

+TheGeorgeLara Oh really you mean 32nd place finish?? And that was posted a year ago wayyy before the 2016 mustang 350R would even be available to test...so the time of 7.32 is speculative.

[@TheGeorgeLara]

D Taylor the Shelby has a better lap time than the zl1 at laguna seca and the gt350 kills the track built z28 at nurburgring... if you got a hard time accepting facts, then I feel sorry for you bro.

[@KendallsFather]

You should visit a kevorkian clinic as soon as you can, anyone that types " lol" has serious mental issues

[@ocruz1018]

"is unfair a gt500 vs ss" but it's ok a corvette vs mustang for chevtard 😂

[@MrFindoutman]

Thumbs up for the endless burnout wheel hop on the Mustang 😂

[@kmcel190]

wouldn't say it crushed the camaro, for a drop of 100hp i think the camaro did pretty damn well

[@MaxDephyantz]

Yep, kinda funny...it won by only a 1/10th of a second. It was in 3rd gear before it gained any ground. LOL

[@TripleThreat5914]

Know what GM has that's faster than a GT500? Their recalls.

[@reaperisdeadonroblox]

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha sooooo true though

[@ProRsPkProductions]

LOL

[@ThomasRocks22]

+FrostBoY93 OOOo someone got butthurt!

[@daflea66]

Except Fords recall rate is higher. GM (958 PER 1,000) FORD: (1,139 PER 1,000)

[@daniel27560]

Zl1

[@pllumajsgarages9149]

This is why I don't Fuc with motor trend bc they are GM biased

[@h4l03rul3z]

General Motors.

[@Jerry-LZ]

Government Motors from that bailout XD

[@jeremiahwengelin6641]

Joseph Pllumaj they should be nome a gm that can beat the ford gt my dad retired from Gm drives all ford he seen how the shit was made

[@Studio2770]

It seems that everyone in the comment failed to remember that MT acknowledged that the cars are not in the same class.

[@SabotAndHeat75]

Yeah except in the headline of the video. It didn’t “crush” the SS.

[@OIR339]

Why not shelby super snake roush supercharged saleen Hennessy 1250 vs camaro v6??????

[@thetamelesscreeper]

Yeah no kidding.... This race doesn't prove anything.....

[@ocruz1018]

The Tameless Creeper prove that Chevy is shit.

[@TheIncridibleOne]

I remember watching this when it was published. Time passes by faster than a Shelby!

[@drewinhou]

Wow I'm impressed that the Camaro hung in there like it did. It lost but held its own against a supercharged car.

[@Minntality]

The Ford GT and SS was a fair match-up, they are at the same production level, if you want to match the GT500 Shelby against a camaro do it against the ZL1 that would be a fair match-up, zero surprise here when the Shelby wins since it has 114 more HP

[@Jesus_loves-you-y9e]

Wow, the camaro did extremely well.

[@bryanbabcock8226]

I am a huge Ford fan. The mustang has basically set the pace for all pony cars, and has been in production since April 17 1964. Chevy and dodge can brag all day long about there cookie cutter cars (with the exception of the new challenger) but what is boils down to is no one can make a small block better than ford. For example take the 5.0liter 302 cubic inch v8. Or step it up a Little to the 351 which powered the svt lighting f150 to the fastest street truck in the world for many years. Chevy gave up on the SS silverado and dodge cheated by putting the viper engine in their truck. In closing there is good and bad in every car made but ford is and always be my first choice. I do love the 95 mustang in my front yard.

[@dillymaneable]

Im a Chevrolet guy but how did that ss run a 12.9......... everybody seems to say its impossible to do so.

[@edespitia9605]

ford means first on race day. my bros

[@FashionKilla1]

Ed Espitia no it means fails on race day dumbass

[@Marcello2005]

Found On Road Dead

[@apexpwner1145]

Look at the Chevy fanboys crying. This was the best camaro Chevy had at the time and this was the best Mustang Ford had at the time.The GT500 spanked the Camaro and the new GT500 even spanks the new Camaros even harder. The ZL1 and the new GT500 are around the same price, but the Shelby still dominates. The GT500 spanks the other muscle cars so easily (Chargers, Camaros, Challengers, etc) that it is often compared to the American supercars like the Corvette ZR1 and the Dodge Viper. You don't see any other muscle car getting compared to the American supercars, because they suck compared to the GT500.

[@ARodEEZY806]

stats for you...6.4 hemi srt8 485hp,,,camaro ss 426hp, Camaro zl1 585hp..idk how you're comparing a 662 hp car to these lower hp car and are happy about it...the Shelby is only almost compared to straight line performance as the zr1 and the viper...but it's nowhere even close to them...with horrible suspension the zr1, zl1, use the magnetic control suspension, as so does Ferrari uses the same by gm, no carbon ceramic brakes, no carbon fiber, not as good of aerodynamics, tires...that's why it's so cheap and compared to prices of cheaper cars...but if it had all that it would probably be almost as expensive

[@dieseldong4781]

Look at you comparing the supercharged rustang to the all motor camaro and think thats acceptable what an idiot

[@ExplitPlayer]

God. This is the STUPIDEST comparisons on the internet. Why the hell do you put a heavy naturally aspirated V8 against a supercharged V8 with plenty more performance mods? Wjy would you compair a 34k$ car to a 65k$ car? Its so stupid and the only reason they did this is because they wanted views. Pathetic. Hope Ford fanboys are happy about a unfair comparison.

[@cobramanphil]

The Shelby in this video does not cost $65K. It has always been mustang versus Camaro. At the time of this video these two models were the best they had at the time so they had to compare them. Jump forward to '13 and the Shelby does the same thing to the ZL1 (perhaps even worse as the Shelby has traction control now and about 100+more hp). Cost is irrelevant, but I do believe the ZL1 and the current Shelby cost about the same.

[@fpvboss500]

fuck chevy ford all the way

[@ExplitPlayer]

You guys are so fucking ignorant, slap a 8k$ supercharger on a SS and you have your POS ford staring at my tailights. AND for about 5k cheaper all In all. Ha, basically all that shit company Shelby did was get a already shitty car, and slap a supercharger on it, and boost it out its ass. SUCH A STRATEGY. And this is over.

[@cobramanphil]

ExplitPlayer You can modify ANY car and make it faster. That does not make the modded car better though if you compare it versus a stock and unmodified car. You can get a current Shelby add about $1K in mods and it is beating up ZR1s/Vipers with ease and yes..if you want to talk prices..the every so slightly modded Shelby can be had for over $50K cheaper than those two other cars. The new Shelby is not a shitty car. Saying that is just ignorant. It has a new motor, new suspension, different supercharger...there is very little carry over from the '12 model to the '13 models. If it were such a shitty car why is it beating up the ZL1, and hanging with a ZR1 which is double the price of the Shelby? To do that is must be pretty half decent (and yes I like the ZL1 and Vette).

[@brandoneleven]

ExplitPlayer ur just jeles cuz camaros bow down to fords

[@KendallsFather]

Crushes? This must be uploaded by some Ford fanboys

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Not sure why the comment got removed CobraMan, but you are technically correct. While the supercharger may not be supplying boost (compressed air) to the engine at all times, it is still however always creating that boost though. Yes, the compressed air is just sent through the S/C again but it is being created and circulated by the supercharger drawing power from the engine turning.

[@daflea66]

Try using the same tier car

[@cobramanphil]

+Michael Amurgis They are the same tier...aren't they?

[@daflea66]

+cobramanphil GT500 is in the tier of ZL1 not a SS

[@cobramanphil]

+Michael Amurgis When this video was put out in 2009 these two were the top of the line mustang and the top of the line camaro. I am pretty sure that means they were in the same tier level. Regardless it has always been the best stock mustang vs the best stock camaro (remember when the camaro had the big 350 compared to the little 4.9 liter or even the little anemic 4.6 single valve motor? Camaro owners were complaining back then about tier levels:)

[@daflea66]

+cobramanphil. they're 2010 cars and not the same tier models at all. the point is though they keep pitting unmatched cars against each other. narrator even talks about it in the intro.

[@cobramanphil]

Michael Amurgis 2010 Model Camaro is the SS..that is top of the line 426hp camaro for that year. The 2010 GT500 was the top model mustang of that year and had 540hp. They seem to be the same tier because they are the best of that year's model for each car. If they are not equal tiers then what camaro and mustang should be compared in 2010?

[@ZIMZIMMYY]

You can't race the ss vs the gt500! Race the lz1 vs the gt500

[@voodoodiecast]

This is 2009, zl1 not found.

[@abbuudjb3127]

then how about "the gt500 dusted off the zl1!!! "

[@YZdude]

Haha and chevy got a supercharger with the ZL1 and still lost.

[@thetamelesscreeper]

Well yeah because the Shelby got more power too. If you put a 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs THIS Shelby, the Camaro would easily win.

[@cobramanphil]

The Tameless Creeper Actually...not to be argumentative...but the current ZL1 was pulling the same (or about the same) quarter mile times as the 2009/10 Shelby. It would be a driver's race for sure. Both nice cars though.

[@thetamelesscreeper]

You're right. It's mostly the driver. But yeah, they pull about the same but in the end the Camaro ZL1 runs faster quarter mile times. And I won't disagree that they are both great cars.

[@maccjav]

Yeh chevy has a supercharger but still the ford has more hp 114 to be exact, and yet still only won by a tenth of a second... Great Job 😂😂

[@cobramanphil]

Jav Hussein Are you talking about a 13/14 Shelby vs a ZL1? The Shelby is on average .5-.6 of a seconds quicker in the quarter mile. Trap speeds are 126-128mph vs 116-118mph in the ZL1. That equates to about 5-8 car lengths in the quarter mile (both on stock tires). That is called getting smoked: ). Then again if you took both stock cars to an endurance test on the track the camaro might do better since it has more aggressive pads. Then again..not sure why would anyone do that since these are street cars: ). ZL1...still nice car though..it is just outgunned by the Shelby.

[@Drivermod_Josh]

I have a 1997 Ford Explorer XLT fully loaded and a 2006 F250 work van. what do you have ? nada.

[@kingcrimson234]

i think they purposely did a terrible start with the GT500 just to try and show that the camaro SS is a better deal than the GT500. learn some throttle control and it'd be a wider margin than that. plus this is an old GT500, let's try a 2013/2014 against a 2014/2015 camaro SS. yeah, i know, different classes of car but i want to see it.

[@voodoodiecast]

+kingcrimson234 agreed, this 2010 can go 12.6

[@voodoodiecast]

***** yeah i guess you're right. really depends on the place, weather and driver.

[@leemorice7867]

I am a ford guy that's just were my heart is but a 140 hp difference.??? Not to mention 20,000 dollars really?!?!?!"? Cool is cool it just that way! I am a ford guy "be clear on that" But i would buy the camaro if I wanted the most bang for the buck... Hell for 20,000 dollars you could buy a N.R.E. engine or have them tune and or turbo yours that would smoke the Mustang... So to close " I am kinda sorry I am a FORD GUY. " Just being real !!!!!!!!!!

[@cobramanphil]

+Lee Morice If you were a "ford man" you would not be talking about price to determine your appreciation for these cars. When this video came out these were the two top of the line street cars (camaro vs mustang). The mustang is faster..plain and simple. If you want to talk about the last GT500 vs ZL then it is the same story. The two top of the line street cars going at it and the mustang wins again. Nothing against the camaro...even though it has crummy brakes for the street...it is still a nice car. You can modify ANY car to make it faster...

[@thetamelesscreeper]

Don't get me wrong the Shelby is an amazing car but really? It beats the Camaro by a tenth of a second and it has 120 more hp!! If you think about it that's not as impressive as it should have been.... And I hate all these guys in the comments like, "Take that Chevy!" Lol.... Yup your right ford beat chevy. And they ONLY needed 120 extra hp to do it LOL!

[@stevenwilliams4018]

and don't throw any curves in the race because even the extra HP won't save the poor ford: Virginia International Raceway (Best Recorded Times) Mustang GT500 2:58.48 Camaro SS/1LE 2:58.34 Camaro ZL1 2:52.40 Camaro Z28 2:50.90

[@thetamelesscreeper]

Thank you! I totally agree!

[@cobramanphil]

If you think this one race is representative of how these cars will actually perform in real life I would have to say you need to be a little bit more open minded. This same publication got a 12.2 out of the this Shelby and a 12.8 out of the Camaro SS. That is .6 of a second difference. That might not seem like much, but .5 slower is about 5 car lengths in the quarter and that is also called getting SMOKED. Chevy has always has the hp and engine size advantage..this is actually the first time I heard someone complaining that it took a lot of hp to beat the other (come on now that is funny..stop worrying about the stangs hp and start worrying about the camaro's weight then you will see a lot more improvements:). Both nice cars..just one is faster than the other which is no big deal.

[@stevenwilliams4018]

Driver does play a big part. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and there will always be somebody faster. The hellcat with its 707 hp is a fast car but she is a heavy one. Either way, I would be happy to have all 3 muscle cars in my garage.

[@thetamelesscreeper]

I really don't care that the Shelby won, and I really like the Shelby. All I'm really saying is it's so stupid how people are all like, "Take THAT Chevy!!" They act like the race was totally fair. And I won't disagree that the first race between the 4.6 Mustang GT and the Camaro was fair either. I would be more than happy to own any of these cars.

[@camaross1200]

4 cams vs 1 cam? 6.2L>5.0L sorry PAL. So which engine makes more power? Please tell me

[@patrickbarker4120]

FOR IS BETTER THAN CHEVY And let the hate roll in

[@itzjordandoee4778]

You tried so hard for the attention m8. Just hold this L

[@hungryhamburger6886]

no its not

[@patrickbarker4120]

hungry hamburger yes it is

[@JesusChrist-ib1pq]

I'm a chevy man

[@kennedyglover8379]

Chevy boys are so funny put a supercharger on it an it will win put a turbo on the shelby he will make you look like your sitting still

[@fabiansaavedra2560]

Haha ford boys are so funny because they have to put a supercahrger to beat a engine without one (: dumbass

[@flameguitarcody]

Fabian Saavedra exactly, I'm all for using the big name car styles etc. but at least make them fair if you're going to attempt to do any legitimate race.

[@Grimm_b312]

To you Chevy boys the gt500 also won against your zl1 camero too so just Take an honorable loss for once in your pride filled lives there both beast ass cars

[@brannonbarakat457]

USASF JSOC u ford boys got ur mustang boss 302 beaten by the z28

[@Grimm_b312]

Well seeing as the z28 has about 500 hoarses and the boss 444 and the z28 has an almost 100 lb-ft of torque advantage so i can see how the z28 won the 302

[@werdCanada]

the ford crowd for ya... not happy unless there opponent has a wheelchair

[@ProRsPkProductions]

I don't understand the point of arguing over this video, obviously the mustang was going to win. It wasn't a fair comparison. You can also say that about any racing video. No mustang or camaro will ever be an exact fairness. From 2010 up its (2013-2014 gt500) (2011-2012 gt500) (2012 2013 zl1) (2010 gt500) (2012-2013 boss 302) 2014 z28 somewhere in this area (2011-2014 5.0) (2010-2014 camaro SS) (2010 mustang gt) (2011-2014 3.7 mustang) (2010-2014 camaro rs) (2010) mustang 4.0 That is fastest to slowest in a straight line. No need to argue over what should win because what should win will win. Just enjoy the comparisons and quit arguing over which American company makes better vehicles, they should be working together to be better than the world.

[@baddaboy99]

the GT500 wheels were bouncing up and down during the burnout.....are they still using solid rear ends

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

WHOOPEE, provide a link, Google links are at least 3 years old suggesting they might sell a GMPP supercharger kit but nothing for sale as yet.

[@cobramanphil]

You misunderstand. I did not say a supercharger or turbo would improve MPG directly. The addition of a power adders allows the engine power output increased while not significantly increasing emissions during normal non-WOT throttle.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

I don't speak Spanish, and I see no publication. What's a GT500 run at VIR? Or Willow Springs? Or.....Nurburgring?

[@MYSHOESAREBLACKER]

Cant wait to see the 2015 and the new Z28 go at it!

[@cobramanphil]

Strange that when I am cruising around town my '13 my boost gauge is not registering any vacuum when the engine is not under load...The same went for my '95 with a T-trim..when the motor is not under load no boost registers...not sure if you are aware dynos are measured under engine load. RPM is of course constant, but load on the motor is not. So unless there is load on the motor (regardless of RPM for example) boost or -vac is not going to be present.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

2005 Ford GT, 2100 miles Sold for $240,000 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2100 miles, upgraded by Hennessey Failed to sell at $90,000 Mecum Auto Auctions yesterday

[@juliusjones1154]

The Mustang GT 500 is the fastest car on the planet.

[@jacksonjdr94]

Does anyone know how heavy these cars are? For the relatively high horsepower ratings these aren't particularly fast.

[@camaross1200]

George what does your POS honda 2000 run?

[@bowtiepower4275]

Your first sentence was just as straight-to-the-truth as you could possibly get.

[@ricardocorbie6803]

Shelby: Sit yo $5.00 dollar Azz down before I make Change🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@guynoir3116]

What was that , a dirt track ?

[@GroppaRacing]

and what about the ZL1 ??????

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

"These cars are meant to be driven", so enjoy the hell out of all of it - not just the look of it when it is all clean" - Carroll Shelby The 2013 Shelby Mustang 5.8L was the only V8 engine to make Wards 10 Best Engines list, and a Mustang engine has made that list the last 3 years in a row.

[@cobramanphil]

I'm from Northern CA (SF Bay). I am not sure what kind of tires the older Shelbys had, but mine ('13 GT%00) came with goodyear F1 tires. They are horrible when cold, but very grippy when warmed up. They are sort of like track day tires that are legal for street.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Either way, I think we both agree the V6 Maro and V8 Mustang were closer than the V8's of both back before the 5.0. The SHO Taurus (mid '90's) was what taught me and a lot of others not to put much into displacement or cylinders. Those SHO's were faster than any Mustang or Camaro around stock for stock. It was the first performance sedan I ever bought, and worth ever penny of it.

[@brianfoley1052]

ima howl for zl1 vs gt500?

[@voodoodiecast]

+Brian Foley not a chance, go search for yourself

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

The video says the Ford came with Rock Hard Tires while the Chevy came with much Grippier Tires. I live in north Los Angeles county, where in California do you live?

[@cobramanphil]

'That's aftermarket. I guess I can give this as an example. While I am going around 70mph in my '13 Shelby in 6th gear (probably running low load with no boost at around 1400rpm will the car be emitting excess emissions if it did not have a stock supercharger installed? Dynos are all about high load through the rpm (rpm is irrelevant if there is no load to demand more fuel from a motor).

[@cobramanphil]

No problem. Actually I am probably not 100% correct. In an aircraft application, superchargers probably do sustain boost at all times (they probably don't use bypasses or BOVs) simply for the fact that the engine needs to be under load at all times (not like a car). Anyway..thanks for your thoughts...

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

The air needs to be cool, an Internal Combustion Engine will produce 5% more power on a 60 degree day, and the air needs to be dry, the humidity needs to be low. An engine will produce less power as humidity goes up. Then as you mentioned Altitude, track surface, etc.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

So Shelby's own website is lying? Glad we have you here to refute what the actual producer and seller says.

[@psychocode3]

I usually don't waste my time running cars as slow as the SS Camaro, pre 13 GT500 or Z06 Vetts but in your case I'll be willing to make an exception.

[@14ccs]

i think both of the cars are amazing. I favor the camaro because i see so few of them around. when it comes down to it its what you want in the car. im sure the shelby is better in day to day to life with more power more then adequate steering good looks and the sound to make peoples head turn. The camaro (im comparing the gt500 to the zl1) has independent rear suspension a motor that has a plethora of aftermarket parts for it and probably a bit more track oriented

[@cobramanphil]

No problem. I understand. I guess if you are not there to see it one cannot automatically assume that it really happened unless there was some video proof of it. E. Smith is a great hotshoe, but you have to remember he can only be as good as the track he is at. Just from what I've seen the average driver at the average track pulls a 11.6 in a Shelby. Perhaps at a better track you can see possibly 11.4s. It just depends on the condition (elevation is a big determining factor as well).

[@Drivermod_Josh]

1) the ZL1 comes basically fully loaded base. All you really do need is the navigation which is only 800$. 2) You probably only call it a crapmaro because it's currently the fastest Stock car under 40k. 3) when you see a base shelby gt500 2013/2014. All you're getting is the engine, manual, Seats and the car. You're getting a barebones car. If ford would have pulled a chevy and made the GT500 basically come fully loaded, it'll start in the mid 60, and end up in the 70s. like it still is.

[@Jimmyxsx]

The driver is Luis Diaz he competes in the American Le mans Series. The track is Hermanos Rodriguez Racetrack in mexico city. the only thing he complained about the GT500 was the heavy clutch. Hey tough luck I guess that ZL1 will not always beat the GT500 lol

[@farisalgaily4900]

How much is the camaro zl1bin usa

[@TheBulldawg4life]

We both have ALREADY built them online, the ZL1 doesn't even reach $65k, and the GT500 is well over $70k.

[@cobramanphil]

My car dynoed at 609rwhp with 2500 miles on it..are you talking about older GT500's?

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Brakes, gears, weight reduction, and suspension are "bolt-on" now?

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Maybe you haven't been made previously aware, but the next generation Mustang is expected to be nearly 15 inches shorter nose to tail and roughly 6 inches more narrow. The 5.8L only BARELY fits in the current Mustang, taking that much physical space away makes it impossible. The 5.0 will look like the 5.8 in the next generation, meaning it'll only BARELY fit.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

Ford Racing has a Bolt-On Supercharger for the Mustang GT that produces 624hp and is for purchase and installation at your local Ford Dealer, Chevy doesn't offer any Factory Bolt-On Superchargers for their cars.

[@cobramanphil]

I like both cars, really. I would not shy away from driving any of them. I chose the Shelby simply because I knew what I was going to do with hit (cruise around town..perhaps a stop light challenge or two, and a monthly 2 day open track session..rain or shine). So far the car has been great. I have not experienced any braking issues (changed the stock fluid which is a requirement for any car used on a track and about to remove the street compound pads to something like hawks).

[@rockandroll4689]

OMG - that Shelby is GORGEOUS! Wish it was mine!

[@cobramanphil]

Probably because a current 13-14 GT500 would even pull more versus this old GT500 vs SS drag race. I believe the current Shelbys are probably a second quicker than the older Shelbys in the quarter mile (guessing old is like 12.2-3..new ones are like 11.2-11.6).

[@camaflashstudio]

twin independent variable valve timing just kicked in yo

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

In May 2009, Ford chairman William Clay Ford, who hired Mulally, said that "Alan was the right choice [to be CEO], and it gets more right every day".

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Yessir. Beast of a car....made a lot of Mustang and Camaro guys upset. The only problem I had was the typical cam failure (with the 3.4L V8) that resulted in destroyed pistons and valves, which was a pain thanks to DOHC. That was the same failure that Ford issued the Loctite TSB for lol...like Loctite was going to actually secure the cams to the to sprockets.

[@cobramanphil]

Read my previous post to Bulldawg..supercharged motors are not always under boost. To make an accurate comparison one would have to have the exact same motor. Plus if the supercharger is not boosting the motor why would there be more emissions content?

[@TheBulldawg4life]

I didn't get to include something else in my post. The weight difference is roughly 200 pounds not 400 pounds. Where they both 6 speed manuals? What options were added to both? Base to base, it's all driver. Top level to top level its the Camaro. The GT is basically one speed with every model (for 1/4 mile at least), where the SS (with 1LE Track Package option) is known to run considerably faster than a standard SS (both straight and turns).

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Chevy has gotten 638 hp out of a 6.2. They've also gotten 580 hp, and 556 hp out of the same 6.2L block. Also, CNC the LS3 heads, alter the rotating assemble, improve the intake, and bump up the tune like what is done to the Boss you'll see the LS3 with stupidly high numbers.

[@talalnaddaf3451]

The camaro was very great in this race 👍👍

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

It was Motor Trend's Jessi Lange, Motor Trend blocked me and other commenters have complained about censorship too, Motor Trend replied to them, "No Sexist" remarks.

[@cobramanphil]

Yes. Of course. In an imaginary basic design there would be no MPG improvement, but to satisfy the buyer who wants that power of a muscle or sport car it would be perfect. At lower rpm (idle, cruising through town on a street, or highway) emissions would be low thus satisfying and allowing the car/truck to only output low emissions (satisfies the gov), but at WOT where the turbo or supercharger is engaged more hp/tq can be had. Cars are not measured at WOT as far as emissions regs go.

[@ToxicS23]

Why not the ZL1 vs the GT500?

[@cobramanphil]

If you run dynos then you should know that the flood gates of emissions from a supercharger is not created unless the supercharger actually compresses more air than natural, correct? That would happen under load (eec's of Shelby is load based) and cruising around town in non-boost situations does not emit more emissions than the motor normally would. The only thing I can think of where it would if the tuner did not know how to tune for low end and just flooded the fuel tables starting at idle.

[@psychocode3]

A tuned Diesel with a 2 car head start, and barley lost I noticed you didn't comment about the video of my car going from the dig to 135mph in 14sec when it was only 425whp and 8psi.

[@3rdGenGuy]

550 horsepower vs 425Hp?

[@voodoodiecast]

+SANIC butthurt? even putting a blower on that 6.2 still doesnt bring justice against a GT500

[@3rdGenGuy]

Kyle Justin butthurt? Just a weird match up considering the SS competes with the GT, not a 55k gt500. Also, a LS3 can match that blown ford v8 power with a cam and CNC heads.

[@voodoodiecast]

SANIC well the main story is this.. they pit the 2010 ss vs 2010 GT 426hp vs 315 the result ford fans cried foul and they want motortrend to pit the ss against the GT500 yes we all know its a top tier mustang but the fact is the ss at that time was also the top tier camaro so thats why they made this race its not about being stupid

[@3rdGenGuy]

Kyle Justin $30k SS vs 60k gt500 sems legit....

[@voodoodiecast]

SANIC you really dnt understand do you? i told you the story buut ur still butthurt on ur camaro this is 2009 bro, no zl1 in 2009, no 55k zl1 on that time and the GT500 is 54k turd

[@cobramanphil]

You mean at the track (stock cars)? I was mostly seeing mid 13s for those years at the track for the mustang gt. I've seen V6 camaros, but they were mostly in the upper 14's (not sure even if they were modded or not). I guess if there is a real good driver they could be in the mid /low 14's...

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Technically speaking, Octane Magazine never even ran a lap...they guessed.

[@cobramanphil]

Well..my mistake about the same trap speeds. There is a variance of about 3-4mph. I've seen plenty of them already do 11.5s and below so I am not sure what the dispute is about. Different tracks different results. It is almost like that one glory run of a ZL1 doing 11.7..then at the tracks in my area (CA) ZL1s cannot even break the 12 second barrier while GT500s are doing mid 11's (11.6 runs) side by side with the ZL1's.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

MSRP for a 2010 ZR1 was $103,000. I know because it's readily available information and not some kid screaming "I saw it!!" I'd take the $103k ZR1 over a $350k GT every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Vastly more performance for less than 1/3 the price. Yes, please, and thank you.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

Days ago 2005 Ford GT, 2100 miles sold for $240,0000 2009 Chevrolet ZR1 Corvette, 2200 miles, Upgraded by Hennessey, Failed to Sell for $90,000 Mecum Auto Auctions Yep, the smart guys know a good car when they see one, and I'm terribly disappointed.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

13.1 for a car design that is 20 years old is absolutely astonishing. What's a 20 year old Ford ANYTHING run that is better than that? Even still the Supra is a fast car, and I promise you a stock SS or 5.0 doesn't want to get in that fight without being a GREAT driver.

[@mattf2732]

To the people complaining that it's an unfair race, no one is saying that it was supposed to be fair. Even the commentator said in the beginning that it is not and they are doing it because it is what the viewers asked for. As for everyone else fighting for Team Ford vs Team Chevrolet. Why are you guys so attached to each company? Did they pay for your schooling or something? Why can't you like both cars?

[@cobramanphil]

I like both cars, but I am not understanding why people have a problem with the GT500 beating the camaro..its like no big deal, really.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

My brother has a 100,000 mile warranty on his 13 Shelby Mustang.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

He has a 26 mod list (and counts the entire suspension as 1 mod and doesn't count weight reduction), and is running E85. Livernois's ZL1 did it with far less.

[@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8]

Ford knows more than 90% of the Shelby and Boss Mustang's built will be Garage Queens, but they're still going to build them and they're still going to sell them. 2014 Roush Stage 3 with the optional 5.0L Aluminator engine with the Phase 3 package is advertised to be 675hp but on the dyno produces 688bhp, and the car is 250 lbs lighter than the GT500 and has 3.73 gears instead of the 3.31s.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

I would know enough to know what a pony car is. My father was already drag racing up and down the midwest and west coast in the '60's. Ford and GM both had drag cars, the Torino and Chevelle...they were called muscle cars because they had huge weight, huge engines, and heavy duty transimissions. Ford and GM had track cars, the Mustang and Camaro...they were called pony cars because they were lighter, had smaller engines, and heavy duty transmissions. Check out SCCA racing, there were no Torinos

[@cobramanphil]

I see what you are saying, but there is another part of the equation you are missing. Gone are days where manufacturers had to depend on mechanical fuel metering (i.e. FMU controlled by vacuum). Now everything is in a tune where large injectors can be metered down or even in some cases a secondary set of injectors are only utilized when needed (i.e. WOT). What this translates to is that excess fuel/emissions will not have to be used when in normal not WOT street driving.

[@Nicktheguy24]

Camaro zl1: am I a joke to you

[@voodoodiecast]

2009 am I a joke to you? Zl1 was first reintroduce in 2012.

[@MrMustangFan87]

MT chose to do the SS vs GT500. A Boss 302 would smoke an SS. It came close to beating the Super Charged ZL1. Which is what the ZL1 was made for. A Supercharged 580hp Camaro vs a N/A 444hp Mustang.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

What does displacement have to do with traction? The weight difference is nil, in fact the GT500 weighs more than the SS. The simple fact is the more powerful car, with the "drag racing" rear suspension wheel hopped and spun while the SS ran out in front of it. It took the back half of the track for the GT500 to gain any ground, on the less powerful SS that was beating it.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

Yeah, he's convinced an '03 Cobra with JUST $1200 in mods will run 6's at 200 MPH.

[@TheBulldawg4life]

That's so cool!!!! Too bad it has nothing to do with anything we were talking about though huh? Remember...we were talking about performance? The thing the Ford GT isn't very good at?

[@89gjohnston]

so you pay all that money to not even beat the top of the line camaro by 29 ft in a quarter mile. And you ford fans call GM fans dumb....