Femininity is So Hard For Some Yet SO Easy for Others

[@venty5197]

You can never go back to how you were after watching her channel.

[@Jessica-zf8ig]

So true!

[@kiajames7737]

Never!

[@avantgarden2438]

I love her so much

[@gloriamaiga2786]

@Venty This is extremely true for me as well. Everytime I feel I am slacking, I just come to this channel and my crooked neck gets snapped back into position! 😆

[@hg5507]

Yesss

[@nylaspeaks7272]

Being feminine for me is treating myself well...shopping, maintenance (bubble baths, facials, manicures and pedicures, make up), and ensuring I’m happy and at my best at all times physically (dressing impeccable, exercise, and healthy meals) and mentally (walking away from negativity)... Also I wear heels they make me feel so ladylike even if I have to carry flats

[@nylaspeaks7272]

jose's leather jacket you providing a comment on a channel for women is...you are probably a woman in disguise or a beta man... gwan ‘bout yah business

[@flowerg.8868]

Bubble baths are so relaxing 😍

[@Polyxeniism]

@jose's leather jacket Every person perceives femininity differently and it's okay. We have different personalities anyway, so we got to apply those "principles" to our own life. Just some food for thought, no hate💓 have a nice day😊

[@MassGainingGuy]

There is nothing more attractive than a woman who takes pride in her personal appearance. Stay feminine ladies!

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

Staying feminine and leave me alone!!!

[@LS-qt9bo]

@@mstwelvedeadlycyns what?

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

@@LS-qt9bo Staying feminine and leaving me alone!!!

[@beautifulone6533]

Women who find themselves with Dusties who they have to light fire to, or pick up like a soldier carrying his comrad are not going to be thinking about feminity.A man who cant provide winds up with a current occasional sex-partner/ roommate and a fantasy of the feminine woman that they dream of having someday.

[@lc-il6wr]

Don't be feminine women..it just means u r going to rob him blind..

[@moniq7777]

You are SO right!! When he’s staring googley eyed but not approaching... a lot of times that means they are the type who expect women to make the first move. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Not your loss

[@nadineh4767]

Feminine and dusty men do that. The good thing is we don’t have to waste our time with them if they don’t even approach us

[@isyhan1528]

@@nadineh4767 ikikkiiikikikiikikiii

[@iamme8947]

​​@@nadineh4767 my ex half dusty was like that.. We met on a dating app but he told me he we would never make the first move or approach if he was out

[@realpristine]

My version of a in house feminine day includes; face mask, hair mask, doing my makeup, lighting candles, sitting on the balcony to read, painting and sipping wine😊

[@smartkookie]

Get dressed up and have a tea party. Pull out all your fine China make a picnic in doors. Makeup, heels, and, jewelry all on.

[@Xplicid100]

alpha mgtow go away

[@MassGainingGuy]

There's nothing more attractive than a woman who is truly feminine. It gives off a positive vibe!

[@misslove7698]

@jose's leather jacket Let me get this straight, its something wrong with being a sex vessel to her HUSBAND???😕😕😕 Isn't that whom we're suppose to be that vessel to????? Please enlighten because if that's wrong I never want to be right

[@sweetielim1789]

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[@kayade5305]

@alpha mgtow And that is supposed to be some revelation? Even if (emphasis on *if* ) she was put in a cell for a few hours, we have a great example in Councillor Angela Stanton King who previously went to jail, came out and levelled up. Can't say the same for you turbo dusties who keep going back because you like getting your bussies poked. GTFOH.

[@cherieamore3036]

All my friends are MASCULINE . I’m solo dolo and don’t regret it!!!

[@aesr4459]

Cheers sis 💅🏻💖

[@nadineh4767]

Same here

[@queenleo5578]

That’s because femininity is different for everyone. So many ppl think that being feminine mean that you have to wear makeup, heels, love the color pink but it’s really so much more than that.

[@isabellafernandez1654]

I wish people went more into depth about this!! I can look and smell feminine all day but it’s the personality stuff that gets me. What is a feminine personality like!! I need EXAMPLES !! Lol

[@kitamariemartin2069]

😊😊

[@candigurrl07]

@@isabellafernandez1654very niche example but jasmine from beauty and the geek season 4 is a great example

[@annickrosey]

Doing my nails hair, looking put together, wearing dresses & skirts, good hygiene & the confidence, that comes with it like walking/sitting a certain way, is things that makes me feel more feminine & Embrace it. ✨💛

[@BrownGirlColorStruckWorld]

There is a difference between being feminine and being kitsch. I learned a lot traveling to Korea. Though a lot of the women there have started being influenced by American style, many are very feminine without looking lolita. Also they have amazing skincare and makeup. Also, in terms of natural hair (someone asked)- non-black wealthy men are more likely to like your natural hair (exoticism). Also, believe it or not you can go very far by not being super available or nice (specifically to white wealthy men), because they are at the top level of all privilege and hear yes all day.

[@Fumnanya]

Truth!

[@BrownGirlColorStruckWorld]

@Die Auserwählte You can't talk about what you can't afford. I've seen your other comment. I dont feed trolls.

[@BrownGirlColorStruckWorld]

@Die Auserwählte That's your comeback???!🤡😂😂😂 Saying "youre not the boss of me" got played out in pre-k. And no one these days responds to "bitch" except your mother. Tell that bitch I said Hello👋🤡😂😂😂

[@taelahharris7154]

Same ( living in Korea and their natural femininity )

[@BrownGirlColorStruckWorld]

Yes! The skincare, makeup, and clothing! It is so easy and inexpensive to present yourself well there. As soon as rona stops making this American passport worthless, I'm heading back!

[@nicolesmith7611]

I love being looking feminine because it welcomes naturally but people mainly discuss the outer appearance when it comes to femininity. That's fine but a true high value woman has boundaries and non negotiables that she stands by and knows how to effectively communicate them. I would date guys so focused on behaving and looking feminine, communicating my boundaries was my downfall because I didnt want to upset someone.

[@donnamcintosh2109]

I love getting my femininity on. I love pampering myself, shopping, wearing cute clothes, and wearing perfume.

[@ladycrystal3293]

So beautiful pink and dainty, I love it!

[@darlenegarcia2427]

That pink ruffle suits you so well!

[@angelcool1236]

I wanna make a recommendation of trying an oil cleanser instead of make up wipes. They are gentler on your skin and tend to work better. They literally melt makeup off. Then you follow up with a water based cleanser. You can get it in oil or balm form. Some good ones include DHC cleansing oil, Banila Co Cleaning Balm, Farmacy Green Clean Makeup Removing Cleansing Balm. I started double cleansing every night( oil cleanser followed by water based cleanser) and it made such a difference in my skin. Oil cleansers are also good for removing sunscreen.

[@ImabelleRegine]

As a beauty professional I agree with pre oil washing your makeup off. Each one teach one. ❣

[@naturalTJ]

As a black esthetician, you’re absolutely correct. The wipes are not the best and tend to be drying.

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

Banila is great!!!Farmacy

[@taelahharris7154]

They make me break out :// do you know why?

[@angelcool1236]

@@taelahharris7154 You may have a sensitivity to a certain oil or fragrance. For example i can't use apricot oil so I avoid any oil cleansers with it. What sucks is skincare is alot of trial and error till you find what works. I used to avoid all Vitamin C products cuz they ALWAYS broke me out. I managed to find one company that has a formulation my skin can tolerate. I personally go for Korean and Japanese skin care. They are better formulated and cheaper than alot of stuff in Sephora. Also make sure you rinse it off well and follow up with a water base cleanser

[@jenna_parker_03]

Love these reminders to dress extra feminine. Thanks Shera! 💯

[@susie6208]

Love you’re feminine videos 💕💕✨ always inspires me to think of more ways to be dainty. Gonna start doing yoga to feel more free and feminine

[@Nofretari]

Personally I look very feminine in light aqua blue. But it goes well with my eye color.

[@empressaminata637]

Thats your signature colour rock it girll x

[@VeganLife-mn1jp]

Pastels tend to be very feminine and upscale looking. Gives off delicate country club vibes (even if you’ve never been in one lol) rather than inner city or gothic.

[@alebrasmith-cooper5250]

Yes Shera,I'm with you on the customized necklace.I had one for a couple of years now.I wanted the set so I got customized earrings & the necklace from Etsy.I love mixing and matching my stuff.All of that really makes me feel so leveled up.I look nice and my house looks nice.I just love it.🎀💘💞💝🌹👑

[@MissScorpiio]

Lol I definitely was going to invest in lash extensions instead of strips. He will NOT catch me slipping 🤣😂

[@thesydneyshow2773]

Ladies please listen 👂.

[@realpristine]

The lingerie trench coat trick 👏🏾👏🏾 Yass ma’am Ima have to use that one!

[@AmatielleSativa]

The blinged out Starbucks cup though!! 🌸🌷🌺Keeyoot sis!

[@nikkibreezy6058]

Some celebrity perfumes are not expensive but smell really good

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

I love the fact of improving myself but refuse to allow anyone to be in my life. It is fun for me to focus on myself be by myself and work on being beautiful, loving me. I hate compliments I do not need friends and enjoy being isolated and being at peace. Does this speak masculine? Just want to be alone with my two dogs cat and a duck and a bunny rabbit handling my business and building my personal brand!

[@LS-qt9bo]

Your a loner and most likely introvert. Not a masculine trait but not a good trait either. You also seen a little bit narsasistic, or maybe you have a bit too high self esteem.

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

@@LS-qt9bo Who are you kidding? Who said it is a bad trait? So if a woman is childish unattractive is single means she is a loner and introvert? As if that is bad? Are you trying to control women too?

[@nass7821]

@@mstwelvedeadlycyns stop being defensive sweetheart. That person doesn’t really seem to be trying to control women. You asked if it ‘speaks masculine’ and they gave you their personal opinion on what you said. I respond because I want to let you know that you being quick to get defensive proves that persons point.

[@ev6564]

There's nothing wrong with being an introvert (you are NOT less than an extrovert. Extroverts are NOT better than introverts). However, antisocial disorder or social anxiety is a negative. Introvertedness and social anxiety+anti-social disorder are NOT the same thing.

[@ev6564]

@@nass7821 I see your point but to be fair, the op asked for whether her characteristics are masculine. Bringing "good" and "bad" traits into it and calling her narcissistic was not what the op was asking, and it clearly caused unnecessary hurt to the op. We should let psychiatrists and therapists handle delving deeper into someone's psyche.

[@oia5882]

Love you, Shera❤ I’m so thankful for all the wisdom and insights you are sharing🌹💕

[@elefoundation3703]

Why i love this channel. It's for womens upkeep and not just about men. I really love that instead oft those women and men trying to say how to get men naana channels

[@twomajors8540]

Girl I didn’t know we had a shop Miss A open in here headed to the mall ASAP 🚘 thanks Shera for always keeping the girls informed 💕

[@Nicole0627]

This whole look is sooooo pretty!!

[@toridominick3943]

You look like a doll !!!❤️the pink on you every time . Too cute I need more pink in my wardrobe.

[@ladycrystal3293]

Love, love, love your look... vintage pink lace beautiful 🤗🙏❣️

[@alebrasmith-cooper5250]

Multi tasking is so me all day.😂😂💘💃🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@crudivor]

Yes it is 11:00

[@thegoddessway6206]

Ladies! What is your favorite online store to shop for feminine clothing? I’ve been slowly but surely building my wardrobe but I need more dresses.

Boston Proper. Zimmerman

[@SheRaSeven1]

I don't spend a lot of clothing , unless its a classic piece i like Boohoo , SheIn, ASOS.

[@izziofdylizzidotcom9528]

ASOS and Ted Baker as mentioned, Lulus, River Island, Aab Collection, Aaliya Collections, Louella, Niswa Fashion, Urban Modesty, Veiled Collection

[@tinasnow2006]

Ax Paris, Dorothy Perkins, pretty little things.

[@AlpheaMariae]

CHI CHI Clothing. The Shop is on asos. 🌸

[@AshleeRoss]

Mars attacks is my movie 😂 I definitely enjoyed this video 😘😘

[@sagiintheairsagi5908]

Thank you , love the video, and the lead to the website for the blouses... you are awesome, and encouraging I I need that today....

[@earthgirl7874]

🌺Everything is beautiful and soft🌸

[@starridiamond]

This is an awesome video! Thank you Shera! 😘💖🌹💎💖

[@aminah761]

I want that hand bag super cute 😍😍😍😍😍

[@teliabio6816]

Wooooow you look so amazing

[@truthteller4659]

monogram initials are classy on bags like lilly pulitzer

[@truthteller4659]

kiss nails are amazing

[@itscesarbtch3451]

Thank you 🙏 Love you

[@NatalyF17]

I love these videos where you give us recommendations!! Looking lovely btw ❤️

[@KheperMAAT]

The 2k gift was sooo funny

[@brooklynbeauty_tz]

Awww I want daughters so I can girly them up and my sons will be martial arts masters disciplined masculine

[@brooklynbeauty_tz]

@Old Allies I have zero plans of becoming a single mother so I don't understand your response...

@@brooklynbeauty_tz amen to you sis.

[@Lost.alchemist]

Die Auserwählte she never said anything about forcing them to be girly 💀 and if her daughters are gay that’s not a problem I’m sure. You just want to be mad lol

[@shanandananscoo]

{raises hand} Yes its VERY HARD for some of us. Yesterday I ordered a sweater- I normally get very dark but I got pink. I dont actually like pink at all, but lets see what happens LOL

[@MS-ns4ki]

I’m certain I am the epitome of feminine . Heavy hitter

[@dutchessofcreativity9397]

This video made me get a pumice stone and turn my soles of feet to face me and sort out my feet..I've good feet... but now my pumise stone in my makeup bag...Will take a week of gentle exfoliation to get them looking perfect....

[@qendresaberisha1113]

you are so funny and smart❤

[@enaimegonzalez3280]

Thank u for your knowledge!

[@eleanor7242]

Looking cute 😀

[@mindfuljah44]

"I don't think he would tho. I think I'm enough...that's not gone happen" 🎀🎀💜💚🌹🌹

[@Afrocreolebombshelle]

Omg I love that 👚

[@goddesswildredspeaksTruth]

Love Love Love

[@juliannaokike4063]

Someone I know along time ago had to get the fake nails for her toe nails they were falling off. Her toe nails she had too glue them back on.

[@symone2179]

Thanks for sharing I have all males in my family I became muscular being under them & never was taught how to be feminine

[@MsSjchic]

Shera, where did you get the pink hair bow from?

[@Sunshinestarryrose]

Yes for that Starbucks bedazzled cup

[@Aja.S]

How do you deal with copycat when being feminine ? feel like my own sister want to do everything as I do ! can be flattering but a little annoying sometimes . help or advices

[@earthgirl7874]

Be grateful she's not hard and masculine. It's cool she looks up to you and wants to be like you. That's pretty great!

[@brendacrawford8653]

Love those white tips “gurl”

[@johnstewart5233]

You look lovely in pink.

[@teliabio6816]

Its ashame how pathetic pipo like @alpha think Thanks shera for changing our livies May the universe Richly bless you

[@me-pg1hh]

jose's leather jacket its not used if they get something in return... its just a trade. broke boys getting sex is = to being used.

[@tresojos]

Whether you're feminine or not, I love all of you, grandma's, moms, sisters, daughters

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

You lie! You hate us!

[@gabby-ue8sh]

@@mstwelvedeadlycyns youre so obsessed freak

[@caitlinsoliman1658]

It's hard for me to feel like a seductress even though I feel sexy many times.

[@monicaraybon1802]

Just wear pink and frilly lace

[@earthlycolorbrown6246]

Can You recommend a feminine scent? Thanks Sister Queens for Your suggestions!

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

From the Magic Collection Viktor and Rolf Salty Flower

[@earthgirl7874]

Hypnotic Poison

[@traytyler2138]

Hi SheRa, I'm getting the video where the audio is not matching the visual. May be my connection.

[@patricemarie3412]

Same

[@SheRaSeven1]

Reload ! I think KZbin is editing or updating

[@lisabuckner243]

SHERA, SERIOUS QUES, what if I have health issues & MOST cosmetics, esp nail glue is EXTREMELY TOXIC & I actually break out in rashes, etc. Yes, there are "natural" cosmetics, but much more $$$. Also, I don't drive, so I can't walk around in heels & have flat feet. So, ANY practical advice or am I screwed?? Ty ❤ 333

[@Polyxeniism]

You can wear cute flats/sandals etc. Heels aren't the only feminine shoes out there. And for manicures, try either painting them with normal nail polish (press on nails are recommended so that you don't spend a lot of time on making your nails & they are cheaper to maintain them than going to a salon every month, but if the glue doesn't work for you it's fine) or just keep them groomed & clean looking. There is always a way💓

[@lisabuckner243]

jp Thank you!!! They do make organic nail polish, but have yet to see organic nail polish remover, since those 2, as well as nail glue are EXTREMELY toxic!!

[@Polyxeniism]

@@lisabuckner243 Oh, I didn't know about organic nail polish. Thanks for the info!😊

[@ImabelleRegine]

If your smart like I am. You watch Muva videos with a Feminine notebook and Feminine pen take notes ❣

[@labelleodile2739]

How to be feminine when doing sports? Can't wear make up because it looks horrible when you're sweating and sportswear doesn't really look feminine at all. I try wearing pearls in my ears and have my nails done but I feel like it's not enough. Any ideas, ladies?

[@jadaturner6526]

Sweat proof makeup sis set your makeup with powder and setting spray

[@mrstinkerbell1139]

I have some tips for you. Lash extensions. Wear Vaseline under your lipgloss so it doesn’t foam up. Pastel matching sports clothes. Match your headband and your shoes and make it super coordinated. Wear as much jewelry as you can. Get some sort of braids so that you can look put together.

[@JESUSISSAVIOR210]

What happened to the first part of the video?

[@pri4358]

Where did you get the top

[@juliannaokike4063]

Egyptian cartouche to say what you want it to say

[@malarki5]

SheRa looks like Betty Davis in the film 'Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?'...faded 'n' f*cked up lol

[@AuthorMorganaSinclayr]

I love your outfit Shera, you look beautiful! Hope you and your family are well♡

[@prettypleidean3896]

Ashera whats your take on onlyFans as far as women starting one? Are there limits or is it a complete no ?

[@truthteller4659]

no names on necklace please that is super ghetto

[@SheRaSeven1]

You can have anything written on it . could be a inspirational word . its up to u

[@juliannaokike4063]

The Bride Takes a groom By: Lisa Berne

[@bornfromforeign]

She kinda look like vanity yall can be like sis 😆

[@milax2730]

Why you stoped going to nail salon ?

[@mstwelvedeadlycyns]

Expensive

[@blueseptember2174]

She is a DIY girl for sure!

[@msmeeks8039]

I would love to find a feminine group here in Europe (Germany) in the military community. Being that Germany is a masculine country, I find it pretty difficult to find likeminded feminine ladies I can make friends with.

[@sher-at-home]

But you will stand out.

[@symetrixbeauty2256]

The last few videos I've watched of urs there is a delay with ur voice and the sound

[@patricemarie3412]

Expose discount code is not working

[@SheRaSeven1]

SHERA is the code . I will let them know thanks

[@kiajames7737]

I’m sick of you aging in reverse shera. Looking like a 19 year old in this dern thumbnail. Lol lol All hail Queen Shera! 👑 💎 💕

[@emmasmith5859]

I love you you

[@juliannaokike4063]

China Rich Girlfriend By: Kevin Kwan

[@88.vv1]

Your name is Letitia ???

[@Tommy-nk6ui]

I've been binging Shera's videos, and everything she talks about makes complete sense. However, it just seems like so much work. I'm naturally a tom boy, and love doing outdoorsy active things everyday. Without makeup and nice clothes, I'm simply "cute". Being feminine feels like an insane amount of work for me, I've attempted it multiple times over the years and I hate it. It doesn't make me happy for fulfilled. Also, playing the "game" is exhausting. I don't have to work much as I barely buy anything and live at home, and I'm fortunate enough to have college payed for etc. Do I just give up on love and men, and accept being alone? Lmao

[@jori3361]

just be yourself and you’ll find someone who accepts the real you :)

[@naturalTJ]

I totally agree with you. I have dainty extra girly friends, and it’s too much. I’m a natural girl, can’t do over the top on the daily. I can be extra feminine when I need to be, but it’s a job for me as well. Tomboy/feminine/sexy naturally feels good to me.

[@Nekole1]

I feel the exact same way at times. So thanks for bringing this up. What has helped me was starting small in transitioning into more feminine clothing. So if you like jeans switch it up at times and oneday wear a blouse that you like and thats feminine. And then in a few days do the same thing. As time goes on it gets easier. Its ways you can do it and still look feminine instead of wearing dresses and skirts nonstop. Start small, do not overload yourself.

[@blackroze1471]

Just remember that you don’t have to pull out all the stops everyday. Just have a simple routine wear you look polished. Just spend a little time doing something. Get your eyebrows waxed so they always look good without make up. Just use mascara and a little blush. You don’t have to do everything. Just enhance your natural beauty.

[@isabellafernandez1654]

This is me too and I wondered if maybe I’m just naturally masculine? But then I get soooo turned off by feminine men and I go back to the drawing board. Ugh. My mom was masculine and I never saw what femininity looked like. I am cold as ice, hate vulnerability, like to be simple and comfortable, like direct and blunt communication, seems like I’d have to change everything about myself to attract a masculine man.

[@tristecherie7464]

When u dress this extra guys clown on u lmaooooo

[@teliabio6816]

Reply to Alpha mgtow It's ashame how you think shera is fooling all the ladies in the world Firstly she never forced any one to listen to her.that included you Secondly if you are wise enough as you think you It's ashame you thinking so .after all the wisdom shera self lessly shares with the ladies all over the world to make them better Most of us I believe including you. Have never gotten such wisdom about how to go about life like how shera has helped us If looking for the rich men is the issue .you implicate shera to do Only pick what is important n beneficial to you n trash the rest of her advise Coz the bottom line is I must say With hearing you talk that shera is fooling us It's pathetic n speaks alot about yo personality Work ok yo mind n listen to her.its my advise

[@dianavivaldi4503]

@jose's leather jacket Y'all "love" women for their appearance, You want Beauty and sex, stop acting like a victim when you (men) aren't.

[@phugh3878]

jose's leather jacket why are you so obsessed with commenting on shera's videos?

[@AbiYHWH]

Only jealous feminine men clown ,just because they are jealous.

[@AbiYHWH]

Sassy Josefinas Pleather jacket!! don't be jealous girl, you can be a princess too!

[@Sunshinestarryrose]

One of my bosses dresses feminine but acts very masculine.

[@prettyprudent5779]

_________ 1:10:00

[@30mandyfresh]

Like

[@ashleyboo8285]

I feel like you’re not being so genuine anymore ...

[@jenna_parker_03]

This channel has never been about being genuine. It's about levelling up and securing the bag! Mmm hmmm

[@JasmineDoesItAll]

Why is that?

[@ashleyboo8285]

Damn a girl can’t hAve an opinion? F** off I wasn’t talking to any of you

[@SoSoSteph]

These kinds of videos are so tired.

[@nessawithsmiles]

Why did you watch it long enough to find that it is tired?

[@SoSoSteph]

O Love because I can. Stupid.

[@nessawithsmiles]

SoSoSteph lol clearly you are very stupid to watch a video this long and then call it “tired”. Not only are you stupid, but you’re bored, and clearly broke. Anyone with adequate finances isn’t watching a 3 hour video that they think is “tired”. Also you need to wash face. Judging by your picture your skin is oily and your pores are full of junk.

[@SoSoSteph]

O Love you seem really upset with me for voicing my opinion. Lol I don’t need to watch 3 hours of this silliness.

[@nessawithsmiles]

SoSoSteph lol no one is upset, crisco face. I am actually confused as to why you watched this video if you think it’s tired. Then for some reason you replied by calling yourself “stupid”. Very goofy behavior.

[@nikkicas260]

Ok don’t delete my comment and expect me to still subscribe. Bye Felicia

[@adnomo]

Your head is so big I bet you have to step into your sweaters or you'll stretch it out of shape

[@atdsv333]

Stfffu her head is proportionate to her body, blindo

[@lc-il6wr]

I dont like this video at all..i just think u need to look pretty to get a man..heck..u dont even have to be pretty from what i see out there..