Shia Imams Family Tree

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Script by Syawish Rehman
Narration by Matt Baker
Audio editing by Ali Shahwaiz
Intro music: "Lord of the Land" by Kevin MacLeod and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license 4.0. Available from incompetech.com

[@comb528491]

Can you also make a vide on the Jewish Schisms and offshoots that includes groups like Samaritans, Mandaeans, Pharisees, Sadducees, etc?

[@flutterwind7686]

@iTrisomus huh?

[@therongjr]

OMG, yes! Please do this!

[@eternalsunshineofthespotlessme]

@iTrisomus the irony of your comment 🤣.

[@natholex]

@iTrisomus is right. Anything a non-Jew says of Jews is antisemitic.

[@ramg658]

Mohmmad is rap!st

[@NullStaticVoid]

Would love to see one of these on the branches of Buddhism. Mahayana, Vajrayana and Theravada are the branches of Buddhism that we still have. There once were more schools of thought. Some were much more conservative or more extreme in their practice. We basically have just the moderates left.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

those are hinduism.

[@SamSnoekBrown]

I second this, especially considering that Theravada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana are pretty broad, monolithic terms for what are actually a whole range of schools. And you're right that there was (and in some cases, still is) a wide range of ideologies represented by those schools. I know this is especially evident in my own Vajrayana practice (I took refuge with a lama in the Karma Kagyu school, home to competing Karmapas, for example).

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 these are not Hindu denominations, they're Buddhist

[@PasteurizedLettuce]

Vajryana is not really a ‘branch’ of Buddhism, in that it self conceptualizes as a subsect or practice within Mahayana practice, although not all Mahayana practitioners practice Vajryana.

[@Marrow9000]

UsefulCharts is my new favorite channel. I discovered it a couple weeks ago and have now watched a dozen videos. Thanks Mr Baker for what you do.

[@SandrA-hr5zk]

If you get the chance to purchase his book, the timeline of world history, it is a masterpiece. Even my professors at school were impressed with it.

[@christopherrichey9137]

HA! I was going to request a Christian Denomination timeline just today! Excited to see it in the works! They are out there already but your technique and style is preferred for historical accuracy and dogmatic neutrality. Thank you.

[@Timakiwala]

Imp tree of Islam.. 1)JAJABA KALAMA HALALA BURKHA HIJAB. 2) 4 6 wives and 20 30 50 childrens,, all are Beggers, Puncher Wala, Hotel dish washer, Dadagiri, Mutton Chicken butcher. 3)Illiterate from MADRASAS. 4) Talak then Halala then marriage >>> it repeats....

[@stephenandersen4625]

There was none and then just two for centuries and then a famous door vandal came along and now it’s estimated that there are 40,000 Christian denominations So sad

[@ahmadnawaz6612]

what a video!!!! thank you so much for such a masterpiece

[@AshishkumarRational]

So informative !! and Masterpiece!!🙌🙌🔥

[@philipcarter4532]

So grateful for this video! I have been keen to understand these different groupings for a while but never found a source that could explain it so succinctly.

[@stevesmith4901]

This was very informative. Thank you for making it.

[@gemaisa2egypt119]

thank you very much for your objective demo , I realize how difficult it must have been for you , especially when Arabic is not your main language, you proved yourselve to be a real hardworking reassearcher, looking forward to seeing your next video.

[@kkhan9396]

The best concise video about general knowledge about main Islamic branches. Thanks for the effort.

[@vilena5308]

Thank you, wildly informative. I knew just the basics. Looking very much forward to the Christianity charts to see how much I truly know.

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job

[@TheCinamanic]

This is so well done.

[@tahirkamrankhan]

Awesome - watched three times , very informative.

[@levces]

Thanks, your content is great

[@salaam-ya-hussainrecords4283]

Labaik ya hussain

[@MrSinclairn]

Brilliant and very informative vid.👍 P.S. Is your channel going to start delving into the great British family trees such as the Fitzalan-Howard Dukes of Norfolk or the Scottish ones such as Clan Donald,Campbell,etc?👌

[@jacksonjamieson4094]

Love this channel

[@ahmedfalah9828]

I'M JUST SHOCKED HOW PRECIOUS YOU ARE , great work

[@documentarytv-7383]

Thank you , I’m looking forward to this

[@OhavYisrail]

for your chart on christian denominations, you may want to consider collaborating with Dr. Hamer from toronto centre place. Particularly on the restoration branch. As a religious history nerd and outsider I've watched a number of his lectures on the subject as well as purchased his books. Top notch scholarship. Additionally his background in cartography would dovetail nicely with your presentation style.

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

It would be interesting to see a video on the different Sufi orders in Islamic history

[@re_patel]

Go to the 'let' s talk religion ' channel

[@pabd2969]

I suspect that would take a year-long video :))

[@joesanchez979]

Thanks for the great videos just bought one of your posters great poster🙂

[@vasararh]

Magnificent work

[@thomasdixon4373]

Awesome video, always great to see how one religion can create so many different variants

[@bernabeueagle1726]

It's human nature, forming new religions is exactly like having new dialects then new languages, it'd like evolution and speciation in biology.

[@natholex]

Just wait for the next video, on Christianity. Ohh boy….

[@theobuniel9643]

Kinda like Christianity!

[@alistonsimon297]

@@natholex Ohh, boy..... It won't even end in one video😂

[@sonofuniverse6355]

@@natholex Your name is so contradictory. It is like Hitler Jew

[@cobaltbomba4310]

As a muslim even I learnt something new about my own sect from this video. Nice.

[@joesanchez979]

Keep it coming 👍

[@Graham_Rule]

I look forward to seeing your chart of christian branches. I guess you could easily do a whole episode on just the Scottish ones.

[@alexsbt]

You forgot to mention the Twitter imams, which are very active and never fail to say stupid shit sadly

[@Ahmadkhan0115]

Bruh 😂

[@jonasdavies1806]

🤣🤣🤣

[@luckkhush]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AndreSamosir]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@emilybarclay8831]

I’m not even Muslim or in a Muslim country and I’ve encountered this lol

[@ahsanmohammed1]

Thank you! Nicely done. Appreciated.

[@Tavarna]

Hey, you introduced me to a lot of things and led me to research many topics my self. I would love to see a video about Buddhist Texts family tree. And also I think your format would fit etymology videos perfectly. For example the word 'put' we use today in modern Turkish come from buddha. And in Farsi they use a word similar to that. A series about exonyms can be interesting and one can explain a lot of history via that.

[@googlefashists4986]

No.

[@ogilviegrantsart6130]

Thank you, this is excellent

[@daniel.shalome]

would love to see a video on christian denominations - it's so confusing

[@accordiontravelguy4280]

He posted one this month

[@christianeaster2776]

At the end, the narrator says his future chart of Christianity will be pretty big. I was surprised at complexity of the various branches of Islam. I knew about some of the major sects in Islam, but not the complex relationships to each other.

[@Timakiwala]

Imp tree of Islam.. 1)JAJABA KALAMA HALALA BURKHA HIJAB. 2) 4 6 wives and 20 30 50 childrens,, all are Beggers, Puncher Wala, Hotel dish washer, Dadagiri, Mutton Chicken butcher. 3)Illiterate from MADRASAS. 4) Talak then Halala then marriage >>> it repeats....

[@Timakiwala]

Imp tree of Islam.. 1)JAJABA KALAMA HALALA BURKHA HIJAB. 2) 4 6 wives and 20 30 50 childrens,, all are Beggers, Puncher Wala, Hotel dish washer, Dadagiri, Mutton Chicken butcher. 3)Illiterate from MADRASAS. 4) Talak then Halala then marriage >>> it repeats....

[@turgut1071]

@@Timakiwala hi pajeet

[@ems4884]

It's interesting to compare the history of schisms in Christianity to the splitting Islamic branches. Christians divide over minor differences in theology, liturgy and the sacraments. Muslims divide over politics and war. I find both incredibly weird.

[@llc1976]

I love this channel

[@goealshafay425]

Will that was a very good informative video well done 👍 Edit: I just realized that you didn't include the ibadi Branch

[@ethanjacobrosca7833]

He did include it.

[@grinningchicken]

Nice information Even as a Muslim history buff some of this was new to me

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

a tree of christian groups will be fun. Especially with the vast branches of eastern Christianity. Like how there are currently 4 patriarchs of Alexandria, with a fifth branch that died out in the 1960s. And those all lay claim to the same seat, but from different branches that see different lines of succession. But they are fairly chill with each other.

[@anteschoenberg6431]

Thanks for publishing my family tree ❤

[@punjabiraj2869]

Great work 👍

[@user400]

very educational video!

[@amogus694]

8:02 You can't understate how important the Karbala anniversary is to the Shia Muslims, it's almost funeral like with weeping and crying as if Ali died few minutes ago, music channels will stop broadcasting and obviously no weddings or any cheerful events

[@hashmisaeed]

Excellent information -Thanks

[@readalaswad288]

What a deep, simple, objectively illustration

[@guillermobeschizza7873]

One of these for the different branches of Christianity would be awesome

[@comb528491]

The story of how the Khawarij Split Kinda a funny story Basically ofc the Mutahakkimah came first (the ones who killed Ali RA), these are the originals, called such because they said to judge only by the Quran, and then Ibn Abbas RA came and converted many of them back to Sunnism. Many of them became his students. Those who stayed as Mutahakkimah eventually fizzled out. Then one of Ibn Abbas RA's most prominent student was Nafi ibn Azraq. He eventually considered himself more knowledgeable than Ibn Abbas RA and broke away after a falling out. He went to Ibn Zubair then quit that too. He and his followers became known as the Azariqa. He was the first Kharijite to build his own Fiqh and rudimentary theology. He said that menstruating women should fast and pray, and he said that you cut a thief's hand all the way from shoulders. Basically he denied hadiths. He also said, ofc, the whole thing about those who disagree bring Kafir that you can kill, and that you can kill women and children (but not Ahlul Kitab). On this, his own student Najda ibn Amir broke from him. He said that to say that you can kill women and children is Kufr, and therefore Nafi is a Kafir and anyone who supports him is a Kafir and anyone who doubts he's a Kafir is a Kafir. So, splitter. You now had the Najdaiyah. And you had many other sects of Khawarij that showed up, each considering the other Kafir. Remember, when you are primarily concerned with finding faults in others, others will look for faults in you. When you seek division, division will seek you. When you splinter you'll get splintered. When the Umayyads then Abbassids eventually exterminated them, the only Kharijite sect that remained was the ibaDiyah. Abdullah Ibn IbaD was a close friend of Nafi and student if Ibn Abbas. Unlike Nafi, Ibn IbaD stuck with Ibn Zubayr when Nafi broke away, but he broke off later. Nafi wrote a letter asking Ibn IbaD to come join the Azariqa. Ibn IbaD said they were too crazy. He formed his own circle, and they believed that they ain't kafir if they break away but Kafir in the blessings of Allah. It seems as if Ibn Ibad was more scholarly inclined and more mature. Some of the khariji inclined students of Ibn Abbas joined Ibadis. The Ibadis weren't harmed by Umayyads and Abbassids. Around 250-350 Hijra, they migrated. Some to Oman some to Algeria. Before they migrated, one of their main founders studied with amr Ibn Ubaid and dirar Ibn amr. So they had khariji notions and then adopt mutazilism. Went to Oman cuz Ibn Abbas had a friend, Jabir Ibn Zaid, from an Omani tribe. Now Omanis have Ibadis. Sunnis and Ibadis get along fine there in Oman. In fact, more and more modern scholars are saying that the Ibadis aren't Khawarij

[@HollyFormolo]

Great job! A big thanks from somewhere in Mesopotamia ;)

[@deaconmacdonald2570]

now we need a version of this video for all other major religions

[@EladLerner]

Thank you for mentioning the Druze and Baha'i, two important minorities in Israel.

[@Mohammadmohammad-fx5bz]

Thanks for your work dude, love it ! There are 73 sects of islam btw, not just sunni and shia

[@truthseeker1934]

When you thought Game of Thrones was unrealistic, but this is even more convoluted than the Game of Thrones.

[@comb528491]

The 2nd Fitna itself can be a great historical drama series more compelling than GoT, esp with all the various motivations and alliances

[@googlefashists4986]

Game of Thrones is neckbeard fiction.

[@MrSinclairn]

GOT is GRRM's 're-imagined interpretation' combo of the medieval Crusades/the (Anglo-French) Hundred Years War/(English)Wars of the Roses.

[@FlyingAlfredoSaucer]

You should make a similar chart for Christian church fathers and other major Christian figures before the schism mostly.

[@timothymulholland7905]

Obviously, doctrine is subordinate and instrumental. The real question is always about power. Here, there and everywhere.

[@arusirham3761]

Agree. Religions are man-made.

[@kickedanon]

@@arusirham3761 Maybe most. Not all.

[@arusirham3761]

@@kickedanon tell me which one is not? Is it your religion?

[@Ahmadkhan0115]

@@0deepak Allahu akbar

[@kickedanon]

@@arusirham3761 Sure, why not.

[@hamidmamdani5432]

Great Work & Research

[@jaydenclowers2616]

Great video

[@timsmith9503]

You should do a cross over with the channel ReadytoHarvest on your Christian Denomination video.

[@generalmazur]

Excellent video! I would like to make one minor point regarding your assertion that 'For [the Shi'a], 'Ali was the first Caliph, not the fourth.' While it may be accurate to say they believe he /should have been/ the first Caliph, 'Ali himself recognized the political authority of the first three Caliphs /as Caliphs/, and Shi'is today largely accept their caliphates as historical faits accomplis, making 'Ali the fourth Caliph, but the first Imam.

[@mhmadbedrddeen3414]

No Imam Ali didn't accept their authority as he didn't involve himself in any position under them but he couldn't do anything about it as only a few stood with him, shia don't accept their caliphate what are you taking about

[@sz.110]

" *A person is either your 'brother in faith' or 'equal in humanity'* " - _Imam Ali(as)_ 🌺

[@fariduddin110]

Hi First of all, thanks for making this wonderful, amazing & creative video. Really liked & enjoyed watching it. After that, in a part which belong to another very important branch of Shia Islam Unfortunately, the information and names of Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims are ignored or forgotten!!! This branch of Shia Islam, the shia imami Ismaili nizari Aga khani is the only branch which guides & leads by a living hereditary imam who directly is descended from Hazrat Ali & Bibi Fatima, therefore his lineage goes back & connects to prophet of Islam Hazrat Muhammad (p.u.h.h.p) Now this branch of Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims are leading by 49th hereditary Imam. I hope you maker & creator of this video consider a new updated version or separate version about the ignored & unmentioned Shia Ismaili Nizari Imams! Note: In Ismaili belief, imam Husain is 2nd Imam, therefore Ismail is not 7th imam but 6th Imam. Cause of hereditary lineage & transfering imamat from father to son! So, if someone don't know about this small but important point, look at twelvers imam names, might thinks Imam Hussain is the son of Hazrat Hasan, which is wrong according to Nas bil Imamat! *[1) Mawlana Ali 2) Mawlana Husain 3) Mawlana Zainul Abidin 4) Mawlana Muhammedinil Baqir 5) Mawlana Jafar Sadiq]* Note: Hazrat Hasan is considered a member of "Ahlulbait" & "temporal Imam" in Ismaili belief! So, after (6) Imam Ismail ibn Jafar al-sadiq, there are the following Imams for mentioned Shia Imami Ismaili Nizari Muslin: 7) Mawlana Muhammad ibn Ismaili 8) Mawlana Wafi Ahmad 9) Mawlana Taqi Muhammad 10) Mawlana Raziyiddin Abdullah 11) Mawlana Muhammad Al-Mahdi 12) Mawlana Al-qaem 13) Mawlana Al-mansour 14) Mawlana Al-Muezz 15) Mawlana Al-Aziz 16) Mawlana Al-Hakim Bi Amrillah 17) Mawlana Al-Zahir 18) Mawlana Al-Mustanserbillah 19) Mawlana Nizar 20) Mawlana Hadi 21) Mawlana Mutadi 22) Mawlana Qahir 23) Mawlana Ala-Zikrihis-Salaam 24) Mawlana A'ala Muhammad 25) Mawlana Jalaliddin Hasan 26) Mawlana Alaiddin Muhammad 27) Mawlana Ruknuddin Khair Shah 28) Mawlana Shamsuddin Muhammad 29) Mawlana Qasim Shah 30) Mawlana Islam Shah 31) Mawlana Muhammad ibni Islam Shah 32) Mawlana Mustansiribillah 33) Mawlana Abdis-Salaam 34) Mawlana Gharib Mirza 35) Mawlana Abizar Ali 36) Mawlana Murad Mirza 37) Mawlana Zilfiqar Ali 38) Mawlana Nooruddin Ali 39) Mawlana Khalilullah Ali 40) Mawlana Nizar 41) Mawlana Sayyed Ali 42) Mawlana Hasan Ali 43) Mawlana Qasem Ali 44) Mawlana Abul Hasan Ali 45) Mawlana Khalilullah Ali 46) Mawlana Shah Hasan Ali 47) Mawlana Shah Ali Shah 48) Mawlana Sultan Muhammad Shah 49) Mawlana Shah Karim al-Husaini (Aga Khan 4th) Thanks 🙏

[@AliPlatin]

very very good video thank you very much

[@agniswar3]

Nice video. If possible, please make the video on various Hindu denominations and schools of thought.

[@MrWaterlionmonkey]

That would be huge

[@Wkumar07]

Such a diverse religion that is so much more complex than the paper thin stereotypes that many believe Islam. My own heritage traces back to the Deccan Sultanate of Bidar and and I take this ancestry seriously even if I am not, and having never been, a practicing Muslim.

[@truthseeker1934]

@@hm4084 which version of Allah?

[@Ahmadkhan0115]

@@hm4084 Amin

[@praddumnvats6759]

sub-continent muslims don't know about this diversity

[@save_sudan_and_palestine]

Basically 85% of Muslims are Sunnis.

[@save_sudan_and_palestine]

@@truthseeker1934 There's only one God, and we know him by The Quran and The Sunnah as he describe himself to be.

[@AlgebraAcademy]

I would like to compliment your team. Your pronunciation of the Muslims figure's name are almost perfect.

[@yahyahamid]

Thanks!

[@justrusty]

Looking forward to your Christian video. Does KZbin allow 10 hour videos?

[@scytzea2386]

pretty sure as long as its under 24 hours its fine!

[@Ahmadkhan0115]

@@scytzea2386 I saw a video that’s 50 hours lol

[@scytzea2386]

@@Ahmadkhan0115 they changed it a few times,

[@lamchunting856]

how do the various rulers who claim descent from Ali fit into the chart?

[@fabiankohring1440]

Great video! Thanks! How historic can this Genealogy be taken? Thanks

[@ibrozdemir]

20:54 this is the first time i am seeing angles with headscarfs.. the oppression passes through not only countries but realms also

[@MartijnterHaar]

Very interesting, but did I miss something and are the Alevis (not to be confused with the Alawites), who are a large Shia minority in Turkey and therefore also in countries that have a large Turkish community, like Germany, not in this video?

[@lysenkotheory3400]

Yes I am one

[@andresjuarez2113]

I believe there are a lot of differences among sunni denominations too. I based this belief in the fact that societies such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Afghanistan (for example) are very different from one another, yet they're all part of the same islamic branch. I'd love to watch a video explaining where the differences reside. Thank you Matt, your videos and charts are very educative. I'd consider using them in class (I'm a History teacher) after a proper spanish translation :P

[@danavillai1491]

General differences arise from Sharia (law) and cultural etiquettes/norms. Turkey uses secular law, other countries use hybrid systems such as secular plus sharia. Secular law itself differs depending on which country colonized it---so Tunisia might use aspects of French law and Sharia...etc Saudi Arabia uses the Hanbali school of law (Sharia) and so forth.... Thus differences in practice happen even though the core belief system remains the same....

[@andresjuarez2113]

@@danavillai1491 cool. So the religious values do have a margin to interpretation. Thanks

[@sus527]

@@danavillai1491 no not from cultural,their are many branches in Sunni Islam too with animisity between each other's that's the reason Arab revolted against turkey because of sect and race

[@danavillai1491]

@@sus527 Yes---these differences/branches are called "Madhab" (or Sharia)= Hanbali, Shafi, Maliki, Hanafi. In the Arab context---there are tribal loyalties at play in their politics---and yes, "race" does come into play---though this concept was not related to ethnicity or skin color (the same way as in the west) ----That is why some North Africans are considered "Arab". "Race" in this context, originally meant tribal affiliation....("Arab" as a "tribe"). English terms should be used with caution as meanings and context can differ from its understood usage in the west....... Arab revolt-- Does this refer to the revolt of 1916-18 against the Ottoman Empire? ---Perhaps colonialism must also be factored in?

[@mustafasyed314]

Interestingly enough both Afghanistan and Turkey follow the Hanafi denomination of Sunni Islam, however how Islam is practiced in these two societies seem to be complete polar opposites from each other. It mostly boils down to cultural practices and how strictly a certain society practices the religion as opposed to any major theological differences. Another example is Tunisia who follow the Maliki denomination yet tend be viewed as quite liberal in terms of the Arab world, however there neighbors, Libya who also follow the Maliki denomination are quite a conservative society. Same logic applies to Saudi Arabia(more conservative) and the UAE(more liberal) who both are Hanbali.

[@RW77777777]

you need a looped feed of your channel playing in doctor's exam rooms that's where I do all my chart reading

[@AlihanDuzelbayev]

I think it’s more relevant to mention not the Fiqh (Legal) schools, but the Aqidah (Theology) schools. Though could be done video about both.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

17:46 The origins of Assassin's Creed

[@revinhatol]

Here's my request: Who would be the King of Iceland today?

[@Dave_Sisson]

Queen Margrethe II

[@jadthemagnificent]

What software did you use to make this family tree? I love it.

[@mrarmaggedon31415926]

the transliterations on that chart are in desperate need of updating. Arabic has a standard academic transcription system while the transcriptions in the chart are sometimes genuinely difficult to interpret

[@AJayQDR]

It’s incredible that nobody seems to know that there is actually no record of any of these events until about 200-300 years later, all compiled during the Abbasid dynasty.

[@SilverHusky]

There's just one counter point I want to bring up. If the records were fabricated for those centuries, then why would the Abbasids make this history so messy? Why not make their succession iron clad? Unless you're saying there was a history, but it was overwritten during this period? I don't get where you're coming from.

[@sherrijennings9309]

great video! when doing your video on christian denominations, are you going to look at different denominations around the world? I really hope you don't focus on the US. so much of KZbin is US-centric to the exclusion of the rest of the world

[@MustafaAli-lb8dq]

The way how you are pronouncing names is kinda funny. 😊 Anyways, as a Zaidi Shia Twelver Muslim you did a very good job.

[@syed1431]

How're you both a zaidi and a twelver

[@MustafaAli-lb8dq]

@@syed1431 My last name is Zaidi but I am a twelver. Most shias are twelvers.

[@arawiri]

I heard you guys have got the lightweight champion title at the moment

[@mexicanabroad]

I had the privilege of visiting the Druze in the region of Chouf, Lebanon. Such a fascinating religion! They believe in the Quran and Muhammad, but also in reincarnation. Some Druze consider themselves Muslims as a way to not draw attention to themselves (understanble, since the Druze have a long history of persecution by the Sunni), but their teachings would be considered heretical by other Islamic sects. The Druze only marry other Druze, and no outsider can convert into the religion.

[@FS-me8mj]

Yes because the idea of reincarnation is haram in Islam. They believe in reincarnation as part of their culture, not because of Islam.

[@sus527]

Not because of persecution they always called themselves Muslims since start it actually opposite because of persecution daruze stopped identifying themselves as Muslim and pretty much segregated themselves same would have happened to shias if their population was less

[@tahersaifee2645]

You should also make a Video on the history of Early Islam showing lineages of Hashem to Muhammad (SAW) to Imam Husayn ibn Ali and Abd Shams to Yazid ibn Muawiyah. Basically this chart should show all the clashes from Battle of Badr, Uhud, Trench to Battle of Jamal, Siffin & ultimately to the Battle of Karbala!

[@JohnnyLodge2]

I was literally going to ask if you could cover this topic and poof here it is

[@masteronmace]

Thank you for the one of the most unbiased explanations of Sunnism and Shiaism. Most people would just say Shiaism is wrong because of the minority demographics but you've explained the divide very well

[@johndoeiii9767]

_"Thanks to the teachings of the Qur'an and its emphasis on the cultivation of knowledge... Different scientific disciplines were derived from the Qur'an and spread across the world by Muslim thinkers. The world was illuminated with the light of the Qur'an and the culture of Islam."_ - Rev. Bosworth Smith _"Our use of the phrase "The Dark Ages" to cover the period from 600 to 1000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe .... From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to Christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary .... To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view."_ - Bertrand Russell Salaam to you and your families❤️ _"Cape Malay" / "Cape Coloured"_ from Cape Town, South Africa 🇿🇦

[@Ahmadkhan0115]

Wa Alaykum as Salam ❤

[@untruelie2640]

And then reactionary religious leaders plunged the islamic world into a steep decline of knowledge and rationality, leading it to become a backwater compared to the rest of the world, even until this day.

[@KengCo7]

@@aduantas came here to say this. Ireland and Scotland were the spark from which Continental Europe was "reignited" after their Darkness.

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

No original knowledge in the koran. Just a bunch of old tales and myths.

[@arusirham3761]

@@JohnGeometresMaximos absolutely bro

[@OmnipotentPotato]

It's important to note that, while us Sunnis still venerate the descendants of the prophet, we understand that only the Prophet PHUH himself was infallible, and everyone else is prone to mistakes, like the rest of his grandchildren and descendants. We believe in anything that was transmitted through either many of the companions or from one very trusted member of the companions. Therefore, any of his descendents' teachings that go against the Hadith are disregarded, as it is logical that those who knew the prophet better were more accurate sources than those who have never met him.

[@Therock151214]

The 12ver Shi’ite Imams were not Rationalist (believers of Ijtihad and Ilm-Al-Kalam), rather they were traditionalist, hence they did not give personal Fatwas on the basis of opinion like the Sunni Imams (i.e Abu Hanifa), they only relied on what was transmitted to them through their forefathers until it reached the Prophet pbuh. Also three of the 12ver Shi’ites had personally met the prophet pbuh (Ali, Hasan, and Husayn), so what the later Imams dictated was based on what these three earlier Imams transmitted to them from the prophet pbuh. And because Ali, Hasan and Husain were not only close companions but also blood relatives who lived in the same house of prophet hence if any teaching of a sahaba which goes against what was transmitted from the prophet from these individuals is abandoned, as it is unreasonable to follow that which contradicts what is most reliably transmitted from the prophet pbuh. Because the Sahaba were not infallible but could make mistakes in matters of Haram and Halal unlike the infallible imams who never sinned.

[@AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible]

Nobody is infallible.

[@williamaftonpizzeria]

yeah but you also believe that everyone who met the prophet, joined Islam and died a muslim is a companion so i dont know about this "many of the companions" thing also that one guy who narrated more hadiths than every single guy who knew the prophet and all his wifes is a bit sussy to me

[@amiryouseffgh271]

Fantastic and pretty accurate. One point I want to add is that it’s very ironic that the Ibady later become so moderate they are the most moderate and peaceful and modest of all Muslims. Oman which is known for neutrality and peacefulness between shia and sunnis has huge population of Ibadis.

[@PHDiaz-vv7yo]

Good to know I can trace my lineage on KZbin

[@captainabez7086]

Can you make a chart of branches of judaism

[@patriciaaturner289]

Wishing you good luck with those Christian denominations. Something similar was done in a book called The Joy of Sects. It’s one of my favorite books on comparative religions.

[@3aboudy3abdo74]

Very clear thanks

[@ghulamhussainbadruddinshah1325]

Proud Ahl al Tashayyu❤

[@MoonV29]

I gained more knowledge about this than what i get from school wtf xD

[@ZoeySaysTransRights]

Very well researched video! Do you have any book recommendations related to the topic of Shia and Sunni Imams and the history of these two branches?

[@williamaftonpizzeria]

Shias have started a project to document all key shia books online called al thaqalayn (the name is a reference to a hadith by the same name, translated roughly to "the two treasures")

[@AllBackToOne]

Shia : As-Tsaqalayn (compilation of Shia imams writings and journals) Sunni - 4 fiqh (law and practice) imams; Hambali, Maliki, Hanafi, Syafi'i. I forgot the name of their books. All 4 fiqh imams of Sunni obeys the 2 aqidah (theological) imam which were As-sya'irah and Al-Maturidi. In fact, these 2 aqidah imams form the theological core of sunni aka Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah nowadays.

[@sigmarho5779]

You just made it up for my broken feelings for getting much lower than my expectations for "Who wrote the Quran" video :)

[@AliHassan-sh6lt]

اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد

[@AJ-iu6nw]

All organized religion is human politics. Change my mind.

[@prathamsaxena9503]

I support you

[@Mr9Guns]

Seems like Shias are similar to the Roman Catholic church in the Imams having the final word and the Sunnis are more like the Protestants with it being based on the written texts and acknowledging the church like all human institutions is flawed.

[@Therock151214]

Actually it is the opposite, the pope is elected by the high officials of the Church, similar to how the early Sunni Caliphs were elected, where as the Twelever Shi’ite Imams are believed to be chosen by God Himself through the Holy Prophet PBUH. However the Ismaili and Zaydiyyah are comparable to sunnis in their caliphate system, they don’t believe their Caliphs/Leaders are chosen by God. And the Twelever Shias don’t believe that the Imam declares matters of permissibility and impermissibility on the basis of opinions unlike sunnis who believe that the Imams amongst the Sahabas and Salaf can pass fatwas on basis of opinion, much like the pope can.

[@Mr9Guns]

@@Therock151214 I see, thank you for the reply. It's an area I'm not as familiar with living in a predominantly Christian country myself but one I'm trying to learn more on.

[@maclinkastex3059]

@@Therock151214 The Pope, according to catholics, do not declare doctrine on the basis of mere opinion. Catholics believe that the Pope is literally the spiritual descendant of the apostle Peter, who in turn were declared the head of the christian church by Jesus himself in the Gospel of Matthew 16:18-19: "And I [Jesus] tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. *I will give you [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven,* and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” This literally fits the definition of "being chosen by God" to establish religious doctrine, and according to Catholics the Pope is the last elected descendant of Peter as the bishop of Rome; therefore the Pope receives, according to catholics, all the authority previously given to Peter by Jesus. There literally exists a catholic doctrine called "papal infallibility", which functions *almost exactly the same* as the "Imam infallibility" of Shia islam. Shia islam is MUCH more similar to catholisism, compared to Sunni islam. The only big difference, apart from the obvious fact that one is a muslim religion and the other is a christian religion, is that the current Imam is supposedly in "occultation" while the current Pope is not in occultation. Shias are more similar to catholic christians, Sunnis are more similar to eastern orthodox christians, and Quranists (who follow the principle of "Quran alone" without hadith) are more similar to protestant christians (who follow the principle of "sola scriptura" without traditions that are outside of the Bible itself).

[@Therock151214]

@@maclinkastex3059 Were all the Popes chosen by God/Jesus or just Peter? Because according the Twelever narrative every single Imam is chosen by Allah Himself, which He then revealed to the Prophet who made the information apparent to his successors and so on, secondly the ‘Office of the Pope’ is Infallible according to the Catholic Doctrine but the person who occupies that office is not considered infallible (im sure most Catholics would agree), where as in Twelever Shia Islam both the Office and the person who occupies that Office are infallible, in fact it is the Sunnis who believe that individual Rashidun Caliphs are not infallible but Office these Caliphs occupy is Infallible (Rashidun literally means ‘rightly guided’). Furthermore according to both Sunni and Catholics the Caliph/Pope can abdicate (leave his official position), and he will seize to be the Caliph/Pope, In Twelever Shia Islam, once an Imam becomes an Imam, he occupies that position for life and can’t ‘truly abdicate’ as he is chosen by Allah through revelation, even if he loses the physical Rulership of the Muslim Lands, he is still considered the rightful Leader/Caliph of the Muslims in Twelever Theology. The Twelever Imam System is much more comparable to how some of the early Leaders/Chieftains/Rulers/Kings of Israel were chosen by God Himself through His prophets. These Leaders were known as the ‘Judges’, from the book of Judges.

[@FluffyEmmy1116]

Interesting video overall, but the "assassin" origin was the best fun fact IMO.

[@roygosen3222]

Can you break down the tree of the Druze ? If you can find enough info

[@DWestheim]

"I'm currently working on a chart of Christian denominations" - I need to buy a bigger screen then...

[@prathamsaxena9503]

😂