Shimakaze 2023 - Can It Still Carry?

Shimakaze is probably one of my most played ships, as it's one of the original destroyers in the game. The question is, can it still carry in the current meta?
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A bit of analysis at the end regarding some choices made. Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@tomsmithie3917]

"My team has three kills, I have 3 kills." - The story of Flamu's gaming life.

[@jtbrown51]

That's usually my story. I have the worst luck when it comes to this game. It's maddening.

[@lanzji1345]

Still better than my story: "my team has 0 kills, I have 0 kills"...

[@Malva_Studio]

@@lanzji1345 I give you one better. "My team has 11 kills, I have 10 kills".

[@Kutersing]

3 mins into game, my team has 0 kills, enemy has 4 kills :/

[@Enemy1304]

Its not that the flanks collapse or team mates die, the huge issue is that they die without doing anything significant leaving the enemy ships near full HP for the rest of the team to deal with.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

players like the venezia have more reason than anyone else to just uninstall. How big of a moron do you have to be to die that quick in a cruiser that literally has a engine smoke? how did that GK up north let a Kremlin literally hump his balls without getting the ram? who knows....

[@jankosi6882]

"166k spotting damage in a carrier game" -what the fuck was the carrier doing??? "your carrier was deplaned" -What in the fuck

[@jaywerner8415]

Its possible, however unlikely to deplete a CVs air wings if he just keeps throwing the same squadron at your Flak wall 2 or 3 times in a row. If they don't throw the same squadron more then once and rotate though then they never get "deplaned".

[@Civ33]

@@jaywerner8415 Nah, the allied carrier was a midway. Midway and Haku have been so powercrept they're pretty much useless now a days, as is evidenced by their WR. The Midway only lost a (relatively) significant number of planes to the heavy hitting AA ships like DM, Puerto Rico, and Kremlin, but was deplaned none the less after it lost the couple dozen planes it has

[@3men219]

​@@Civ33cope, saying CVs are power crept. I can't understand the logic behind that.

[@Civ33]

@@3men219 huh? As someone who played cvs and did fairly well with them, i was just making a comment based on my experience. honestly I haven't played wows in a while and have no interest in getting back so idk what things are like now, nor do I care, but when I made that comment, I meant they were power crept by Russian CVS and the ever increasing aa stats cooked up on new ships to deal with them(which they didn't, weegee shot itself in the foot there) and other premium carriers, which they were. Haku was practically obsolete and midway was on its way there last time i played. When I played in anything other than some floating damage sponge like gk or Yama, I wasn't afraid of midway or Haku at all lol. The only time you need to worry about them is if they are being played by some unicum, but then you need to worry about any ship those guys are playing

[@AE149823]

When Flamu plays Shima: CV never spots him, gets 7 kills, loses. When I play Shima: CV finds me hiding between 3 AA cruisers, I immediatly suffer detonation from a cross map secondary by a grounded German BB, team reports me for dying. Come back to comp later, that game was a win.

[@Arisudev]

Look at his position, you'll understand why

[@dkdragon0]

haha same here 😂

[@badaboom4669]

@@Arisudev cv let him free in a one dd game that a huge mistake

[@bondankai13]

CV player have skill issue

[@babayaga6376]

You were the "virgin sacrifice" that appeased the RNG god and lead to a victory.

[@MrSchwabentier]

Shima is a bit like German BBs. As a good player you'll get constantly underestimated because the average Shima enjoyer is so bad.

[@MK-wx5vu]

True that. 90% of shima players are 1/10 line potatoes that dke the first time they get spotted

[@neilious01]

17900

[@deepbludreams]

To some level good Shima games are dependent on team comp, if you have to fight against gunboat DDs your gameplay is entirely different. God forbid a Ragnar or Smaland is up against you

[@MrSchwabentier]

@@deepbludreams well, by adjusting your playstyle to the individual circumstances, you already belong to the top 10% of players

[@TheL0vecake]

@@lifdrazor "Pro" hardly anyone can be even avg in this game anymore.

[@CPcamaro]

One of the hardest carries ever... and not enough. World of Warships.

[@marcgroot6990]

Beautiful. Always fun to see the master at work.

[@vlad78th]

I'd like to see him against very competent players.

[@fipsvonfipsenstein6704]

Me in 2017: "This Flamu guy taught me not to sail in straight lines!" Flamu in 2023: "Why is he turning ... this doesn´t make any sense!" Emotional damage ....

[@samuelrenneke8087]

the nature of the average randoms player eludes us

[@Sneddz1]

This is some cursed MM.

[@zwestlich6587]

those torp hits are so satisfied, I need to change my pants.

[@ArterialCanine]

M8 been a silent watcher for years thank you. Not sure how much you are aware but you are the best teacher, without even trying, effortless. This vid is so good from that perspective. Too often I make bad decisions in trying too hard for my team and realise it’s not just me. I love the old aspects. Sadly I quit playing WoT due greed & stupidity from WG and sadly WoWS is going down the same path.

[@jamess2873]

shima is one of the most powerful ships in the game, always has been. Even with all the hydro, planes, radar, gunboat dds, fast dds that have been added, it can still absolutely dominate if played well.

[@suburbanview]

Yes, I play it very often, and Shima can impact the game for a win. AS long u as a DD support to cruisers, and spot for BBs. But half of the time, the same team left Shima alone against a whole flank, after that they blame Shima for the loss LOL

[@florianbielawa2919]

Heartbreak games like that make me feel a bit better, thank you.

[@sargisshirinyan207]

This is a battle I'd love to watch again but with Jingles commentary

[@simeonbradstock4214]

so sad you couldnt get the win but what a game, but you played so well! Keep up the great work

[@Skyree010]

Hard mode, can the Zao carry in 2023?

[@gregoryboisgard5888]

What about the Reggolo?

[@negoitadragos8988]

zao is very good imo

[@syedushherahmad311]

Goddamn thats a heart breaker. Well played flamu, well played

[@garystew2077]

Great game for you and it gives me some encouragement to continue to grind the Shima. Like you said, it was a tough call to continue north to engage Yamato, but I think after you killed the Kremlin it would have been good to turn back towards the cap zones.

[@chronographer]

At least the because the CV can strike from outside AA range that means he also strikes from outside your spotting range.

[@intangible_kant]

Wow. That was artful, well played.

[@Taliyon]

Flolol out here doing a masterclass in heartbreak.

[@Twizted86]

looks fun, only up to Kagero right now, but Shima looks like a good time :)

[@truefluekiller]

In all honesty the only thing you may could have done different was to only use one torp set on that Kremlin and two on the Yamato to save some time. But like you said you would have needed 3/5 torps on Kremlin and 7/10 on Yamato which also could have resorted in killing none of them if they slightly change course and making them aware of your position. Team just sucked, but well played!

[@thesaltysergeant4103]

One of my mains is the Shima!! love it still

[@constantine9795]

Sad game bro, thats why timing is everything sometimes. You pinged them before you go north to move but they were sniping, if they pushed the left flank that you cleared from dd before or when you left to hold the right flank it would be a victory. Bourgogne no idea why he did that and also the right flank was a bunch of suiciders. Really great game for u and really sad to be a defeat. Its really extreme to here a player with 7 kills, 166k spoting dmg and 2 caps wondering if it was a good choice to go and hold a whole flank and kill 3 ships while the rest of your team has no idea where, who, what and how. So many great tips in every game u make about positioning torping predicting etc. Welldone again

[@carllanger8873]

I played a game with 2 T8 CVs and 3 subs per team...fun times.

[@Alupl]

Going north was ok, like you said in mid there was 3x potential radars - very nice play :) Btw i also have such battles where as DD i did everything i could but my team just keeps dieing - it's so frustrating especially when you have to win to get last 3 daily BP missions to complete :/

[@reftouswarships6731]

gg man tough break

[@frijin490]

Shows the intelligence of the player base right here.

[@slimtim1969]

I fired Torpedoes, I hit two things, but they weren't what I was aiming for so I guess I missed

[@ComeonmenID10T]

the other day i had a battle in my Halland with 29 torp hit, best so far

[@christophersmith9074]

that 'help' at the begining is pricless

[@mike06422]

Feels like deja vu…. I feel like this was done in a Halland before as well

[@gd527tt]

Haven't played the game in a while, is Flamu using a UI mod? I thought the consumables got changed to all be this similar yellow icon?

[@__MARKR__]

That Kremlin torp 👌👌

[@leonidas231]

im convinced there are mods that say when torps are launched at you

[@rebelsoldier8013]

Flamu's spine must be demolished from trying to carry this team

[@SmokeJam]

How many radars, Sir? MM: Yes.

[@tragedyofwind]

torp captain always be like "why? what?" their target, time to gamer turn and show full broadside to enemy ship. the playerbase is the reason why torp is so much harder to predict, because professional are predictable, but amateur are not.

[@apophisstr6719]

15:39 Flamu is the best porno content maker on KZbin.

[@gillsfv2456]

that was painful loss

[@sirtogii5216]

Some game, especially considering the CV

[@sonnenwende5508]

5:00 sometimes I doubt things. Like that situation. Weird moves, absurd dodges.

[@Emmanuelllk]

the worst or dumbest part is that the montana was in cap so by turning he was leaving the cap, that gives even more no sense to that decision

[@Dropbare]

I remember watching this live. What a depressing match.

[@velshyrym3935]

Send this to jingles, he has to see it

[@waffle3632]

I some teams just think they are playing world of cruise ships

[@bassdasdwadsasdasw]

seems like your teammates in chat were very appreciative at least

[@BasJon]

It would of been Colberts hydro that saved monty maybe even though the Colbert ate torps lol.

[@eze8970]

TY Flamu 🙏🙏, it did seem that you were the only player on your side ☹☹

[@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639]

Average 2023 match with tier 11 machine guns, radars, cv...All we need are a sub in there and a fake cv ( hybrid) and we can call this speedrun to port for the majority of the playerbase.

[@HanMoP]

its not multipurpose thorps but I guess you don’t now what multipurpose ammo is.

[@SanderHydra]

you killed both enemy flanks

[@wesley_b]

Shima is still my favourite dd.

[@Rod-Skinner]

Are you using 20km torps?

[@Rod-Skinner]

Never mind I see 12 km

[@grassmann028]

Mad shima respect

[@grassmann028]

Over 12mil xp in mine

[@johnvga6239]

These games feel so bad. Could you imagine if any of your BBs had a few extra good salvos, it was close enough to where that could have decided the win. Yet they couldn't do it to save their lives. An average shima would've fucked up earlier and the game would've been over 10 minutes sooner; the all too common blowout

[@KaguyasBeat]

It's just such an annoying feeling with this game when you did EVERYTHING in your power to win. You seriously did EVERYTHING you could possibly do. But couldn't win. Cuz too many useless players on your team. One person can make the plays but if the team can't execute on it... lose. The critical analysis at the end is valid sure, and I feel it's kinda founded off the problem of doing so much right but still losing your just left like "How??? How do we lose that??" but how much more could you possibly do? Honestly this comes down to just having a pathetic team. You did more right than wrong.

[@fluxthelycanroc9603]

Random question but since people compare the two often why is somers banned in kots? Isnt it essentially an american shima?

[@gregoryboisgard5888]

Because no one can get Somers anymore. She has been removed from the armory/research. Same reason for Thunderer, Smalland and others

[@hardkur]

CV will always go for your target to make him dodge , cuz playing cancer is not enough you need also actively make people hate these game

[@jayvee8502]

Nice carry but your teamates can't stop dying.

[@m.kpsddesigner7255]

in 2:00 you standing for 5 minutes still and no one detecting you,how can you know that you are undetectable still?

[@UnicornGamingRX03]

Well you can get the 100% off at coop.

[@meganb.2249]

Why is the Olympic theme playing? Oh, I’m the only DD. Lol

[@andyphillips2093]

she carry's hard still

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

An elite player can carry a game in the Krasny Krym so yes a Shima can carry with the right player behind it.

[@jamespurs]

You have to be careful in your young age Flamu, carrying all these potatoes every game can't be good for your back!

[@UkraineStar77]

Pretty tragic team. Literally can't carry any harder.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

ironically these balls to the wall games are the reason i uninstalled the game. at surface value they're fun but then it starts to set in that you are just the one useful Oompa Loompa in a masochistic chocolate factory where all the other Oompa loompas are busy jumping into the squirrel hole to their deaths while Willy Wonka smiles and makes you pay 90 dollars for a chocolate bar that is suspiciously like the chocolate bar that he sold you 90 dollars last week.

[@federox86]

best fortune, no dd hunters...

[@antraxxslingshots]

one more Speedboost would have secured the win :(

[@haritassos2559]

Gotta be paid actors

[@jimr5703]

It's almost as if that BB was stream sniping...

[@JbZeta]

This game was a masterclass, but seeing the end I need to point out I was in pain not seeing him turn into the Yamato at like 15:25, those torps had very little chance to miss, even if he got spotted it would have been too late. He had smoke, a lot of hp, and was way too far out of position. Of course this would likely not have been enough, and he was focused on narrating the game for the viewers, but the whole video shows how vital it can be to be at the right position at all times.

[@philipdawes2661]

Wow, superb by the shima player, shame about the rest of the team.

[@fahmimike4999]

this is what happen to the game when you let people with 10 account battle able to have t10 ship without having to play t3-t9 match by swiping daddy credit card! This game dying faster than before and player base skill will drop to the extend in 1 team out of 12 player only 1-2 player will have over 50%wr which is the sign this game soon gonna meet its end!

[@HoshikawaHikari]

The Kremlin knows that there's a Shima to his side, why is he beaching?? Edit: He "knows"

[@DrSid42]

Flamu lost because of one simple mistake: he only killed 7 ships. Enemy team has 12 ships.

[@Sporting1210]

looked like the typical "warpack-turn" at the start. If one pays attention, one can see, that it is still in kinda wide usage (even in..hum... well known clans), or maybe warpackers are more likely to stay in the game, while just the dumb-none-cheat-using-solo-players leave in frustration over cvs and subs and money-milking and try-hard purple troll divs, who only play for their winrate and nothing else. But i've seen no-hydro ships in the open (whithout any means to detect or any support close enough) doing a slalom drive through cross torps . And the dead-give away is, when a player is starting to turn the moment your torps get launched for an entire match whithout you once switching out of torp-aim-modus to not trigger the PT - even delaying the launches in case he would countdown your torp reload - and then, when asked, he explains his dodging with PT :P If you know how the warpack overlay looks ( there were youtube videos from time to time, but when it comes to THAT, Wargaming seems to be SUPER efficient to get these taken down, but there are still some screenshots to be found), you simply know the guys, when you stumble over one ingame. But since i met a WG-guy in a game, where i commented in all-chat regarding one conqu-players funny dodging, I know why this is still such an issue in the game. He (the WG-guy) wrote - and i quote - "after your comment i was watching him and i am 100% (!) certain, that he isnt using it and i work for the company so i should know". So without knowing when i launched the torps and while he himself was still playing, this dude could make that 100% assesment. Needless to say he was on 49% winrate with 7k battles. WG-clan-tag stands for quality and game competence. kinda explains the state of the game too i figured ^^

[@stevenbeasley24]

Only 7 kills?😂 Great carry..give that back a rest.

[@kovacstibor4339]

Nice try. As a shima player i love shima very much. Although u were fckin lucky that that stupid CV didnt locate you even after the 3 kills FROM THE VERY SAME SPOT...

[@dennex1142]

and this is why I am not smart enough to play shima

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

You can thank 7 kills on your crap team.

[@oiyouoverhere1112]

I find a lot of dubious torpedo awareness from players in ships with no Hydro. Their excuse is always, Priority Target told me someone stopped aiming at me, so I 'KNEW' torpedos were coming... which any real player knows is utter bullshit. Priority Target doesn't tell you where they're aiming from, it doesn't say which ships torps are coming, ok in your game its highly likely to be Shima torps, but is the average player alert enough to acknowledge the Shima is on their flank, I don't think so. I mean, players able to somehow sail in a straight line for several minutes but the moment torps are in the water they suddenly get this idea, to slow down or change course significantly. Sometimes at the cost of taking massive Citadel hits, just to avoid Torpedos some app/mod tells them are coming from over there. I wish these replays were sendable to WG for them to investigate whether these players are using cheat tools for an advantage, but we all know, WG won't do anything, so whats the point

[@dancasey9660]

I feel your pain. Not as good as you, but I have my moments. The worst is seeing a team go down three or four ships before you get started, and there is no hope for a win. That's why win rate isn't always an indicator of skill. If a team can't win when they have a carry player like you, what's the hope for competent players that do well, but can't carry at your level? Shima is still a great ship when handled correctly like you just demonstrated!

[@vincentgroudeniutes1655]

you only lived, cause enemy CV player was a monkey

[@TheTazzer777]

bot bb's

[@jaywerner8415]

Lets FACE IT, the only way to win a Game of WOWS GUARONTEED these days is to Division up with friends. Random people are just too stupid to live and not do enough in return.

[@VerrueckterKerl85]

the playerbase of WG games is terrible and the MM is is dumb as well… the reason why i get chat banned every time i play those games. people dont want to hear they are stupid. 🤷‍♂️

[@winter_soldier_ymb8630]

DDs are sooooo weak and torps are so easy to counter 😅😂...;)

[@HyperpigGaming]

2more mins you win...What a shame.. and what a game.

[@arthursdwgt1170]

na or eu ?

[@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias]

ru

[@cringeonmain5653]

No 17900, immersion ruined

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

Typical T10 team. Seriously WG should have a "griefer" matchmaking. That Venezia and Mino should be on a separate matchmaking with bots....

[@martj1313]

I stopped playing after endless games like this, the game just made me angry.

[@jason41a]

215k as a torp boat. 7 kills, 19 top hits with slow and terribly concealed torps. and still lost. welcome to misery. what a terrible MM.

[@DDayJayke]

World of cancer in 2023? Is it worse than I remember back in 2022??

[@murphystanley983]

Shimmy is the best DD

[@badaboom4669]

if you face a good dd player just NO

[@kostasmantoudis1100]

I THING YOU PLAY WITH BOTS 😜😜😜😜😜😜

[@vorunsliegtdeutschland5295]

noob cv never find you😢😅