Ship carrying thousands of Chinese EVs lands in Germany | DW Business

Chinese electric vehicle maker BYD has just delivered a shipment of around 5,000 of its cars to Europe. The company overtook Tesla as the biggest producer of EVs in the world in 2023: a year in which it almost doubled its profits. Now it has set its sights on the European market and is hoping to beat the likes of Volkswagen in their own backyard. DW Business' Rob Watts speaks to Gregor Sebastian, China Analyst at Rhodium Group.
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[@nsebast]

Europeans sell cars in China: Chinese love our cars. Chinese sells cars in Europe: They cant do this.

[@madworld6801]

Yeah because America is forcing them to do it

[@QuantumBits0]

that's because they are heavily subsidized and priced unfairly, not competing fairly. tbf western companies did it first: runnning business at a lost for years to undercut and kill competition

[@gezhang-nu2vv]

double standard

[@NorCalMoDo]

NOT really. EU under the leadership of this American Lady has started to stop Chinese cars from selling in Europe.

[@Dr.Kraig_Ren]

Yes😂

[@ensiyeitu1012]

This reporter is like "They have arrived". Feels like he's reporting about an apocalyptic event.

[@xangry2834]

iti s delivery of chinese spy devices, subsidised by state so they could go cheap much like their smartphones that were proven to have backdoors sending data back to ccp

[@peterpanda1970]

They already know they don’t sell cars for the common people anymore like the Chinese do so yes, they should expect a little apocalypse

[@keysglim]

Yes, they r building Tesla in German. So shipping Tesla Model 3 from Shanghai to europe isn't really a concern.

[@yacir]

Also, the guy in right side use real time compositing to blur the background of his office massively. Like he's afraid to be remotely located! Weird.

[@toyotaprius79]

Yes, bias

[@smilling1035]

Chinese BYD cars entered the Indonesian market and the prices of other cars immediately fell😂😂😂😂

[@testingcsr]

Chinese cars are subsidised by CCP

[@user-hg9ij7rf1f]

BYD 👍

[@Alamak2070]

That means Japanese, Korean, and European car prices fell. Mean they overpriced. Chinese competition is good for the consumers

[@lvjinbin28]

The prices of those Japanese cars have not dropped, but have returned to normal. Local consumers have no idea that they have been exploited for decades.

[@SpruceWood-NEG]

Japanese and Korean cars with outdated designs and poor configurations are not worth their price.

[@nobody-mf8lw]

German cars had been flooding in China for decades.

[@DBGE001]

And to know that VW was on the brink of refusing to enter the Chinese market when they were invited in!

[@neothaka]

Flooding? VW did not undercut the domestic market prices in China. VW's aren't cheap. A big issue with these Chinese EVs is that they're significantly below European market prices because of heavy government subsidizing, will effectively price out domestic manufacturers. Market protection is still important.

[@myfane]

@@neothakaI agree protection is important, but the Chinese EV price is way lower here domestically 😂

[@DBGE001]

@@neothakaWhich Chinese EV's do you have in mind that are sold significantly below European market prices? Please be specific: brand+model.

[@vlhc4642]

@@neothaka VW did massively under-cut Chinese auto market for 30 years using European subsidies. TIme to give it back.

[@mastertrend4685]

I never saw any news from China’s media that complains the import of foreign cars.

[@p12anjacobmlgnoscoper86]

Because the majority of components in the car is already made in China.

[@mastertrend4685]

@@p12anjacobmlgnoscoper86 China imports 1 million cars every year and most of them are luxury cars.

[@mattia8327]

Because to sell anything in china 40% of the product had to be made in China by law. EU and USA doesn't have these uncompetitive and unfair trade laws

[@mastertrend4685]

@@mattia8327 Actually Porsche, Ferrari, Rolls Royce and other luxury brands don’t have any factories in China, but China is their largest market…..

[@mastertrend4685]

@@mattia8327 beside, made in China could help all brands lower the cost and improve the ability of competition. For example, Tesla lower 65% cost per EV after Shanghai factory established. That’s the main reason why most brands want to establish factories in China.

[@lanzortiz3199]

Wow who thought the day would come that Chinese cars would challenge German cars into their own market. And the German car makers are frightened.

[@mokulashi]

because Western medias have been lying to you about China all the time; China is leading in many areas already, and are more advanced than you could imagined

[@DM_Laf]

The EU wanted EVs, now when Asian manufacturers take over, the EU cut subversions and started selling diesels! 😂

[@gezhang-nu2vv]

No one cries about environmental pollution anymore, Previously blamed China for not protecting the environment, China is now leading in the field of new energy.

[@emikomina]

Volkswagen has been selling chinese made VWs to the european market for years, europeans can no longer complain about made in china quality

[@hkonhelgesen]

The originally chinese VW Lavida has been sold as VW Vento, Skoda Rapid and Seat Toledo in Europe. But the cars sold in Europe were built in Europe.

[@seanlander9321]

Same with Volvo.

[@GarrettReynolds-nt4df]

VAG’s quality is now a running joke. Not far behind FIAT😂

[@seanlander9321]

@@GarrettReynolds-nt4df Fix It Again Tony

[@JohnnyFD]

Manufactured in China, and made by a Chinese company are two completely different things.

[@nicktan8600]

How many years have foreign car companies German, American, Japanese been making monies in CN market?! C'mon! Free trade, compete or lose!

[@tooltalk]

>> How many years have foreign car companies German, American, Japanese been making monies in CN market?! C'mon! Free trade, compete or lose!

[@Dr.Kraig_Ren]

I remember in 90s, non Chinese stuff was overpriced.

[@tooltalk]

@@Dr.Kraig_Ren >> I remember in 90s, non Chinese stuff was overpriced.

[@Ekowal1965]

NO no the conversation is about fair trade. If those cars are manufactured with state subsidies and sold below market value then we have a problem. Turn off Selective Listening button :)

[@patrickco2398]

german cars all over the world: fair trade chinese cars in europe: dumping! 😂

[@supadupahilton6848]

Maybe if Chinese cars didn't burn their occupants alive that might be true? Then again, Chinese cars are built with slave labor and subsidized to the point where they're nearly free to build. So no, German cars aren't dumped, Chinese cars are.

[@christinechristine7553]

It is dumping. It’s cheap because Chinese government subsidies the car companies which is not fair for other companies. I’m a Chinese, even Chinese don’t trust the quality of the cars made in China, and it’s not cheap in China, chinese buy them to support Chinese brands.

[@Arthur-Silva]

If people were actually worried about quality they’d never buy a Tesla.

[@victormolina6316]

😂😂😂

[@user-ph4wi4sy2p]

lol what a jokster

[@nickchkheidze9189]

or German. They would buy Japanese 👹

[@didixtar2863]

Well, currently Teslas are more reliable than german cars so …

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

😂

[@vitorlopes2064]

So what?how many mercedes are sold in china??

[@tvmfbase6104]

EU: Only we can export cars to China in the past and now. But now we do not allow China export cars to EU. It is called "Double-Standard"

[@qn3734]

Eh, it’s called competition. Just let the buyer choose what they want. If someone wants to buy their first EV and VW’s entry level price is too high then why shouldn’t the buyer have the option to get a more affordable car from a competitor?

[@eskay2012]

Suggest DW to do another clip with statistics of how many VW, Merc & Porsche we are exported to China for past 10yrs?

[@JL-po5on]

VW sold cars in China in 22022 2,201,195; In China, the BMW Group sold 824,932 BMW and MINI vehicles in 2023 (+4.2%). In China, Audi's biggest single market, deliveries rose by 13.5 percent to more than 729,000 vehicles last year. BYD sold 350 EVs, up 54.87% in November in Germany, and their cumulative deliveries in 2023 (January - November) are 3,438 vehicles. Who will brought to their knees if a tariff war breaks? Isn’t that obvious?

[@jogana6909]

The German government is planning a trade war with China, even if it harms the interests of BMW and AUDI.

[@christophervaughan2637]

You are comparing Chinese EV’s with German petrol and diesel vehicles?

[@Hukkinen]

Where are the respective cars manufactured?

[@Liboch]

​@@christophervaughan2637do you think the chinese will retaliate symetrically?

[@Baz.007]

​@@christophervaughan2637i suppose you can count Chinese ICE vehicles sold in EU as well if that makes you feel more comfortable.

[@user-vq6pb3sj7o]

VW can buy Chinese battery company and EV company. Meanwhile Germany is blocking Chinese investment for ‘security’ reasons

[@gezhang-nu2vv]

Who is the free market😄

[@nth3512]

I like the reality that even that ship is owned by BYD, very big investment by the company.

[@rambleon2838]

And the port the ship dock at is also owned by China. I would be not surprised if they use their own trucking outfit too to transport those boxes to the dealership probably also owned by a Chinese government business man.

[@jackt1400]

Ships doesn't land, they dock...

[@spiraboy]

The Chinese EVs are totally fine. Some are ultra modern and luxury. Not like these that DW is showing. I live in Shanghai, 80% of all cars I see are electric. Idk why DW is showing only this model, must be because they can’t help but to give a dishonest picture.

[@AZ-rg3rf]

DW is a rag controlled by the US intelligence agencies

[@ZweiZwolf]

DW is German state media, so of course they're biased. LOL

[@austinblackmore4370]

Chinese EVs are total garbage.

[@DBGE001]

DW is notoriously biased!

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

I shopped around and bought a Chinese CFMOTO ATV. It's great. Way better features than comparable Western brands and much cheaper too.

[@zhaojunzhou7306]

Chinese bought millions of German cars over the past 2 decades

[@mingouczjcz3800]

The underlying psychic is that Chinese market belongs to international automakers, including German automakers; It's wrong for Chinese automakers to take back Chinese market; and even worse to grab European auto market.

[@sleepyjoe4529]

@@mingouczjcz3800 classic West -- they love to exploit others but karma is funny like that lmao

[@vilester]

@@mingouczjcz3800 ya i know right. Pure racism. The days of west bullying are over. time for asians, africans, and arabs to shine.

[@kafir9784]

​@@mingouczjcz3800 Colonial mentality!

[@Smojero]

That's imperialists for you!

[@archstanton5973]

The western "media" reported that Europeans have no interests in buying Chinese brand EVs....... so is BYD just throwing away money by shipping their EVs to Europe?

[@victorsvoice7978]

The EU placed high tariffs on imported Chinese cars. This is to protect jobs and profits by legacy automakers. Not to reduce pollution and improve air quality.

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

Very soon Chinese to establish assembly plants in Europe, wehere they will import parts when combined will come very near to sales prices, and they wont give any tax by avoiding. For German cars future is not bright

[@flybefree]

This is like eating a program from 30 years ago in Australia when Korean cars first arrived. Will Aussies buy them, are they safe, can they handle Aussie roads 🤓 Well folks, long story short, they’re still here and going strong.

[@henrywid]

You don't have to think too far, go check out the NCAP ratings of the Chinese cars. Watch the crash test videos. Honest and objective consumers can see how solidly built they are. Unlike the japanese cars who have been scrimping on their materials. Try opening Japanese cars doors, feel how flimsy and tin-can like their doors are. Its time to move from the japanese and go to the Chinese and Korean cars who are giving more.

[@tommyking626]

​@@henrywiddo they have test for electric car?

[@levitabacug3377]

KIA cars are the representation of what Korean car in Australia and yes, these cars have survived since the 90s but barely surviving. It’s cheaper and affordable and that’s Korea’s success story as to why Korean cars have strived in Australia. Although KIA owners are not showy of owning one but they drive it anyways. There’s no prestige there but all for budget reasons.

[@Rav01508]

Lots of chinese EV rated 5 star in Euro NCAP and ANCAP

[@jawadad73]

exactly, same story for the toyota corolla in the 80s in europe.....

[@captives6479]

China has had enough of BMW, Benz, Audi and VW.

[@sammak424]

this interviewee is so knowledgeable. he knows all aspects of the issues and also given unbias opinions. just talk about the reality.

[@DarkVader-jj4dt]

Germans have been buying cars made in China for years, cars like VW. Top end cars like BYD and Tesla are also made in China, so quality is no longer a problem.

[@JohnnyFD]

Manufactured in China, and made by a Chinese company are two completely different things.

[@jackt1400]

While Chinese in China are going for German cars 🤣

[@bubuneowoo6161]

Cope better with your ignorance

[@tonyhart2744]

@@JohnnyFDnoo since factory that produce these machine both make component that used by different company if you think this way then you have no idea how supply chain works

[@manishgrg639]

@@JohnnyFD China makes 1000$ dji drones but China also makes 100$ drones and 10$ toy drone

[@mikolajwojnicki2169]

It's kinda crazy that Chinese manufacturers can sell their cars 3 times cheaper than European companies.

[@joehuisoft1385]

You may know that Germany cars are overpriced.

[@abcdedfg8340]

Look into subsidies they receive. I suspect that byd also has to store data including personal conversations and travel routes from the car in servers accesible to their government. Just my personal theory, but maybe worth considering.

[@kamsunleong6648]

​@@abcdedfg8340 BS. An opinion coming out of your rear end does not merit any consideration.

[@entropy5431]

​@@abcdedfg8340It is possible. China actually bans Tesla cars from parking in certain areas because of all the cameras on the car recording their surroundings.

[@ZweiZwolf]

Chinese cars aren't that much cheaper. You're not paying $20k for Chinese car that competes directly in features and performance with a $60k USD BMW/Audi/Mercedes EV. You'll pay more like $45k - 50k, which is still a fantastic deal.

[@akwamarsunzal]

People want to be "green", people cannot afford a Tesla, a Chinese entry level vehicle, without all the bells and whistles is the way forward! Its a shame VW et al have not understood this!

[@Aragorn333]

EV in reality is not green nor cheap at all. Think about the short life cycle of the battery. How to decompose the dead batteries without harshly polluting the environment? How much would be needed for replacing a new battery? That couldn’t be cheap nor green as those stake holders selling the concept to the public. Therefore, some car market leaders have already announced they would stop investing in developing EV cars.

[@Ikbeneengeit]

​@@Aragorn333batteries get recycled, they're made of valuable materials

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

Except the Chinese entry level cars actually have all the bells and whistles for less money😂😂

[@falsch4761]

@@Aragorn333 let us wait 5 years and then judge.

[@Catacang]

People want to be green, so they buy a product from the country that by far is the one that most pollution causes in the planet?

[@amos325]

France cars sucks in Chinese market

[@tylerdurden3722]

Lol they suck everywhere, in every way.

[@enriqueorganis]

​@tylerdurden3722 Formula 1 is the best example.😅

[@SLBFWY]

真的只是在中国市场？

[@tofindtrek]

@@tylerdurden3722 I drive C5 many years, it is good, and reliable quality.

[@HEMI345S]

French cars sucks worldwide 😂😂😂

[@happymelon7129]

If you are not working hard enough now. In the future, you can only buy BMW and Mercedes-Benz...but you can't afford high-end BYD... 😅

[@kongking5048]

At the end of the day, the quality and the competitive price speaks for itself.

[@zongonative7397]

Crying over unfair competitive advantage in Europe when your car manufacturers are making huge profits in China. As a consumer, we believe in competitive market, and we will buy the car that suits our needs at the best price.All this crying over the media will not change our mind

[@J20666]

Inviting Apple and Tesla to manufacture product in China has creating two big and very competitive industries: smart phone and EV industry.

[@lvjinbin28]

then why USA doesn't invite BYD or Huawei to make products in USA ?

[@dinnerwaltz]

“Chinese vehicles are going to be budget vehicles, they're not really that appealing...” I'm sorry, but for the average person, the low price is the most decisive and attractive factor, of course I hope that the economy in Europe is good enough for everyone to afford a Tesla

[@mikedx2706]

I call BS. Your computer is made in China. Your cell phone is made in China. Are they cheaply made?

[@Realisticautism]

​@@mikedx2706also when you take a look at EV'S some of the basic models coming from China is literally so basic the car should only really be worth 5 - 10k, Max, yet in a country like Australia they charging upward of 40k+ yes it is far cheaper than a Tesla, but the cheap Chinese cars are literally big toys with a bigger battery 😂, yes they are cheaper to fix because they are cheaply made but also break easier

[@andraskleistenes8586]

Chinese autos are not that cheap. We should not buy them!

[@kevola5739]

@@mikedx2706 - Yes, but they still charge you way more than they are worth, just like the phones.

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

@@Realisticautism So its the opposite of Tesla where their cars are poorly made, expensive to maintain and even more expensive to fix 🤣 There's a reason why Teslas are rated the WORSE depreciating EV. Space Karen is all talk, constantly lies, overpromises and underdelievers, no one is shocked he sells shoddy poorly built cars.

[@tonychen7757]

BYD cars have been sold in Norway for some time now, I don't think that was the first shipment to Europe, Germany maybe

[@markdc1145]

Low price is the single biggest factor for consumers in the budget categories. Rarely is reliability taken into consideration with consumers blindly believing a good warranty will cover them in the event of defects.

[@anubizz3]

The problem we talking French and Germany car here, not Japanese.

[@happymelon7129]

"if you can't beat them join them" People just don't realize that Germany company are with Chinese EV. Win-Win

[@remcovanek2]

It is called free market

[@rathnaky9815]

Both these fellows look so depressed.

[@amralhayek6829]

how can you not be depressed these days?

[@John_Doe448]

They are Germans, that is our default.

[@tH0d0RHs]

Every European is depressed the past years

[@edgarLV]

And then after 2years VW will release ID.2 when already everyone have bought Chinese stuff, and will complaine that sales was low.

[@Mariobrownio1989]

Volkswagen sold some 2.3 million vehicles in China last year 2023. Audi 729,000, BMW 824,932, Mercedes 738,200.

[@urimtefiki226]

How can Chinese afford to buy bmw and benz cars they are very luxurious and expensive. I want to buy a brand new car, i am 50 but i have been plundered from my invention, bullshiter is becoming rich with my work.

[@Mariobrownio1989]

@@urimtefiki226China is the second largest economy in the world. Why would it surprise you that there are several million Chinese people buying German luxury cars every year? Google "BMW sales china 2023" and see for yourself

[@brck888]

China's rich at least tens of millions, even if the average family to buy a Mercedes is not difficult, it is only two years of income.​@@urimtefiki226

[@Mariobrownio1989]

@@Alvaro.240 You have to stop imagining China is full of people working in sweat shops. The data (from german automakers so its not made up) shows there are millions of chinese families rich enough to buy luxury cars EVERY YEAR. That's HOW.

[@Mariobrownio1989]

@@urimtefiki226 How can they afford luxury cars? Simple. These millions of families are rich.

[@logiic8835]

I never knew RobWords was a journalist

[@kinkeungkam2658]

Customer 's money doesn't go to greedy manufacturers, no matter where ever they are from. Sell your ev cars at lower price!

[@TheGMHendrikse]

Most EV batteries are made in China. Also for European EV producers like VW, BMW and others

[@bobbrown8661]

Europe isnt competitive anymore.

[@petefraser3013]

BYD makes its own batteries so obviously has a price advantage.

[@yp77738yp77739]

So what. I remember being driven in my Hong Qiao in China 25 years ago, which was an Audi . Or being in one of hundreds thousands of VW taxis. Why shouldn’t they export too.

[@booneulidan1077]

competition should be promoted rather than "decoupling" in the name of "de-risking' by G7

[@Juniperus_Godegara]

Germans could manufacture Volkswagen with the aim of affordable cars, why cannot make them now?

[@Starship007]

BYD Warren Buffet invested. People buying Chinese over German cars. Better batteries and better software than competitors. 30% less expensive. Many people can not afford expensive cars nowadays. BYD and Tesla will be the biggest players.

[@shakealgoritham861]

This is what you get for dragging your feet VW. Should have focused on EV development earlier

[@dave_sic1365]

They did 😂... But they found out that EVs dont work in Germany. EVs dont sell here,thats why they returned to building ICE. EVs loose power too quickly at the high speeds on the Autobahn and we dont want to charge 20mins or more when we can fill up and pay in 3mins. VW,BMW and MB made their EVs too early. Tesla was also early but BYD caught the right Moment.

[@StirfriedGerman]

There's some really nice Chinese EVs in the premium and luxury segment. But Europeans are unfortunately taxed out of these options.

[@havencat9337]

well said...we are having huge problem with costs in EU and they further create extra costs... The car companies neds competition, otherwise they will stagnate in their prtected market

[@reallearner590]

New BYD looks fantastic.

[@cezaryadamski8786]

Competition is good for customers

[@jansSanduz]

China's answer to issues like quality and reliability has been addressed by a simple solution. Longer mileage and 10 years warranty.

[@Norwegian733]

Its easy when they dont have to spend 100 billion Euros for development. They just steal tech and then use a couple of millions on improvements...

[@AN-ks2ep]

With conditions, void warranty if you don't service with us.

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

@@AN-ks2ep Are you naive? Pretty much all companies are like that

[@marcel84marcel]

The company would long be bankrupt in 10 years

[@paolopetrozzi2213]

Quality doesn't just mean parts do not break. I wouldn't want a car built with the Chinese "mentality". It's the opposite of a Japanese car.

[@anubizz3]

Hmm you put reliability and French car in the same sentence?

[@samuelhaile5545]

Ha! nice to see you here Rob on DW News what a surprise I am one of the subscribers on your KZbin channel I guess the KZbin feed got me here. I really love Robwords❤️

[@y.u.so.]

China brings cheap cars and Pakistan brings shari'a, one with ships and other one in boats 😂

[@kiko-hy6hd]

😂🤣

[@bboystretch7788]

Truth is, German car makers have been dominant in China for a very long time. Their failure is not staying ahead of the curve. These Chinese EV cars are getting better and better all the time and it is great to have this new entrant.

[@DBGE001]

Exactly, German car manufacturers have been sleeping at the wheel, while Chinese manufacturers were busy creating a whole new segment.

[@youarebeingtrolled6954]

Please, please save us from affordable transportation😂😂

[@Radaos]

0:10 First shipment to Europe by BYD? First on the new ship perhaps, but BYD has been on sale in Europe since 2021.

[@brck888]

Byd has ordered eight ships of its own in order to export without capacity restrictions, the first time it has used its own ships to ship goods to Europe

[@whatyousaid1375]

It’s silly Europe so worry about to compete with China EV cars, and try to block this and that on free trade. Totally abandon their own principal. 60 yrs ago China bought almost everything from West. China economy didn’t collapse, but growth steadily. The major drive of economy is through trades that create businesses & jobs, it’s the foundation of economy.

[@tylerdurden3722]

The EU is known for being extremely protectionist...to the point where the US and EU have had a couple of trade wars about chickens and stuff. E.g. A Harley Davison motorcycle made in the US, and exported to the US, had a tariff of between 200% to 300%. The EU has always been openly protectionist.

[@gettinglucky]

Swapping out reliance on gas piplelines for this.... EU should require a domestic partner and local production in the interest of national security like China does to VW, GM.

[@MB-xq3pq]

EU is slow and dumb

[@calvinhoward3808]

@@MB-xq3pq and quite distracted at the moment

[@dxelson]

But EU is superior xDD

[@JorgeGarcia-lw7vc]

Great article. A lot of people want electric cars but are turned off by so many implicitly upsold features people don't want or need.

[@jonasmelander]

How can this be the first shipment? I've seen BYD, MG, Nio, Xpeng, Ora cars here in Sweden everyday for the last 3 years.

[@moniershebeika3610]

The new BYD looks fantastic better than Tesla...!

[@felipe-vibor]

Bye bye Auto industry

[@3falexchina953]

I agree! Same Nokia route. I'm from Kazakhstan, here last year 70% of new car was Chinese. And I surprising to see our corruptive governor who buys Zakcer except BMW due high tech features and luxury.

[@UCiWrMgES50tlUhV3l6NqjNA]

@china953bro realize that what china is doing is only good for you and all the people from the 3rd world countries...by taking power from the western countries like america, germany, britain, etc. they are reinstating the money from big rich capitalists to go into the rest of the countries for them to be able to compete with the big capitalists, by devaluating the dollar, the rest of the dollar will have more purchasing power. the capitalists from around the world dont want you to know that. but it will raise more competition in all of the world and everyone will have better quality of life! by destroying capitalism, look at saudi arabia, even they are pulling back from the dollar and wanting to push their own currency.

[@izustun9851]

In the 1960s everyone had some doubts about Japanese cars as well. Because initially they were like bad copies of the european cars. Just 20 years later during the 80s,Japanese brands were already exceeded the European competitors. Even today Toyota is the biggest car manufacturer in the world and I would say they are better built than German cars in some aspects.

[@veronicfeline3869]

but the West makes huge money in China! Why is the West so afraid of real competition 😅

[@adamanthony7465]

Thank you for this conversation. As an exiled Zimbabwean my primary focus is the relationship the PLA has with the EV source countries. Zimbabwe needs a new socio economic deal ..most particularly for its young.

[@danjohnston9037]

Are they shipped via the Red Sea ?

[@Zarturael]

After the Houthis attacked several Chinese ships, they rerouted a lot of their ships to go the (longer) South African route, and especially the ones with so much expensive cargo Not sure if they resumed going through the Red Sea, I think they're still going all the way around as of now

[@mingouczjcz3800]

Houthi doesn't attack Chinese ships

[@Zarturael]

@@mingouczjcz3800 Yes, they do. They attacked everyone they could, and they attacked Chinese ships as well. China was even threatening Iran with economic consequences if they don't tell them to stop just the other day. You can easily research all that yourself if you're skeptical

[@hurrikkkanes2533]

@@Zarturaelsource: trust me bro 😂

[@Zarturael]

@@hurrikkkanes2533 Chinese officials confirmed the attacks on their ships and Iranian officials literally confirmed China's pressure on their goverment. It doesn't get "sourcier" than the source itself confirming it, bruh Do you want God to confirm too, just in case' or what? 😂😂😂

[@AndrejMejac]

Looking forward to BYD Dolphin in store close by. Better and cheaper than EU alternatives. I'll admit R5 is a bit tempting ..

[@douginorlando6260]

With steel and aluminum and glass jumping in cost due to high energy costs, European manufactured cars will be less competitive than ever.

[@jackwai8930]

Doom days for BMW Benz, they just don't get it what EV consumers want. Affordable, small and easy to drive

[@SportNut1]

Come on DW, embrace the competition. When is the last time anyone bought a european car for the bargain? You guys have a hundred year head start and are strongly established brands. Honda are cheaper and more reliable too, but why did I buy a BMW? Even chinese people loves your cars. Just up your game IF needed. I would be happy to spend more to buy your product if you improve your product like stop degrading the quality and stripping so many basic options out of even the 2nd highest trim. I am very disappointed that you are even feeling unsecure

[@johnknight9150]

BYD and MG are killing it here in Australia, and if European car makers aren't worried, they should be. I've seen head-to-head reviews where the reviewers rated the Chinese cars ahead of their Euro rivals.

[@artistforfreedom]

Solar panels?

[@aspiromy]

Surely European legacy automakers have no issues profiting luxury brands across Orient over the years, what give?

[@victormolina6316]

I lack any knowledge in car engineering... But I can not understand how Germans don't come with a electric sport utility coupe kei car limousine with hemp interior and fungi plastic tires for less than 20 000 euros 😂😂😂

[@mikedx2706]

Don't give the Enviros any ideas.

[@kinngrimm]

Noone really can understand that. You mentioned a few technologies that may change pricing, but even more so i would see upcomming AIs having an impact on this. Ofcause not just europe will use those to pressure prices.

[@UCiWrMgES50tlUhV3l6NqjNA]

because the car industry from the western world is nothing but a scam, they don't want to innovate, they want to scam you, look at all the emission scandals...capitalism is a farse, its time to democratize the workspace, the only system that is better than capitalism and communism...one worker, one vote in the company, who gets to decide what is the best for the future of all. the true system that increases competition, innovation and that values merit instead of leechers. we must evolve our minds and find solutions, instead of believing in lies forever.

[@Timo-qb1gf]

Employees of BYD live on the factory site renting small container apartments and working 6 days per week, 12 hours per day. Western companies and their work-life balance has no chance to compete with that.

[@ibrahimotieno7432]

You mean the AI computerized robots or,drop whatever you smoking

[@prakorngirodkunkid7877]

Elon musk did the same things that he used to live on the factory floor.

[@hudsonmagalhaes8019]

Sources?

[@Timo-qb1gf]

@@hudsonmagalhaes8019 go and see it onsite yourself. 996 is standard working practice in China.

[@victorye7150]

Source trust me bro!

[@aamiinmaxaudguuleed1110]

Quality of BYD EV IS BETTER THAN TESLA EV CARS

[@dragothunderstar6526]

“And then the fire nation came” 🤣

[@benderthefourth3445]

Capitalism: "Let's screw our countries and use Chinese cheap labor!" Capitalists: Oh Yeah, sweet money!" Decades later... China: "So, we rule now." Capitalists: "But... you can't. We set the rules."

[@mdzia131]

💯 true

[@patricialongo5870]

Nothing will stop Europe from having utter contempt for China, Africa and the rest of us, in general.

[@vermeirenniels3464]

I think your contempt is very clear 😅

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

exept that the so-called "contempt" that we supposedly have according to you has more to do with the fact that China is a country that not only is taking steps to invade taiwan and perpetuating a genocide against its minorities so.. Also the quality of the chinese electric vehicules is very low.

[@patricialongo5870]

@@SeArCh4DrEaMz it's certainly the best relationship you might expect to have with Europe - mutual contempt. Cooperative behavior benefits only others, not the ones who want global control of everything.

[@thegreatdane3627]

Why not, we are the center of the world after all...

[@victorye7150]

​@@thegreatdane3627 As a Chinese. Who are you referring to the center of the world?

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

Since the german carmakers are producing mainly luxury class vehicles the chinese fill this gap for average customers perfectly. If the quality is right - why not buying them?

[@ZweiZwolf]

China has high end EVs, too. The 1,300 hp YangWang U9 supercar is absolutely pheonmenal, goes 0-100 kph in just over 2 seconds!

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

I was writing about the the average car buyer that does not need to go 100 in two seconds. ;-) @@ZweiZwolf

[@vlhc4642]

Problem is those Chinese cars for the average customers are more luxurious, have better tech and higher performance than German "luxury" cars. Luxury is relative, when Chinese $40k EVs are coming with better ride quality than Rolls Royce and better interior than S-class, it changes people's expectations and that S-class now looks like an over-priced trash.

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@vlhc4642 IMO, you're stretching things. Granted, there's a LOT of cost inefficiency in how Rolls does practically all of the interior by hand, but a Rolls Royce has much higher quality materials than what you find in a mass market car. IIRC, something like a dozen cows are needed for the leather interior of a Rolls Royce. And the woodgrain is perfectly matched. It's not the same as the all-synthetic interiors we find in modern cars. OTOH, you're right that Mercedes interior materials aren't THAT much better than what you find in a mass market car. Mercedes did a lot of cost cutting to unify sourcing across the entire line, from the cheapest A-class to the most expensive S-class. They're not much more reliable, like they used to be. At this point, Mercedes is more about the logo than the car itself. So yeah, Mercedes (and BMW) are going to suffer a lot when compared to the Chinese. Not sure about Audi, but VW is doomed. Rolls Royce should do just fine, as they've always been exclusive and handbuilt.

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

As soon as every president is driving chinese instead of mercedes i believe you are right.@@vlhc4642

[@johnnywalker2870]

Imagine! Germany worried about competition from Chinese automobiles!!😂😂😂

[@eyeofthetiger6002]

There's only one other competition in town -Tesla. Unfortunately European legacy car makers like VW, Renault,BMW,etc have been caught napping at the wheels, it's too late now!😂

[@rambleon2838]

Didn't Scholz sell them the shipping port in Hamburg as well?

[@lionheart3025]

What’s all the fuss about, China will import 414,800 cars from Germany in 2023. Mercedes-Benz: 155,900 BMW: 103, 100 Porsche: 80,800 Audi: 62,700 Volkswagen: 12,300 A large portion are luxury cars. The price is very high. As a high-end Mercedes-Benz SUV, even though the starting price of the Mercedes-Benz GLE is as high as 699,800 yuan (about 90,000 euros), China still imported 38,300 units, ranking second on the list. The 5,000 Chinese cars imported by Germany are less than 1.2% of the number of cars exported to China by Germany. The unit price is about half of that of German cars exported to China.

[@KwasiOPK]

The huawei/htc market model the average EU/German will never understand since they still live in their own bubble and very resistant to change 🤦🏼‍♂️..

[@hermawansadewo719]

Is that ship also electric?

[@shawnlee2405]

I can not imagine how large the battery would be if the ship is also electric

[@normusdoar]

"Protect domestic car makers" - wtf?! is this capitalism or communism?

[@user-zz3ez5hl2v]

BYD QIN PLUS Only €10000 !

[@kostik26]

I used to have German equipment, now after the sanctions I buy only Chinese. Nothing has changed for me, I still give my money for the equipment, but now my money goes to China, not to Germany. This is how sanctions "work".

[@fabianromero3279]

German cars have abused of their dominant position for decades, this is called justice.

[@jamesfranklin2203]

Are them cars that have already been ordered or are cars that Byd wish to sell?

[@derks0]

why thehell would you ship all these cars halfway across the planet??

[@shiyang2030]

Rob I love your personal channel much more! It is so surreal to see you on screen looking serious, lol

[@chestuntin]

whats it called

[@shiyang2030]

@@chestuntin RobWords

[@Glory-to-God.]

China actually doesn't have a good reputation about anything, according to western media, we need our medias to keep our countries remain competitive 😂

[@user-cn6zr4mh4h]

Congratulations to Germany consumers! You are the real winner. Unlike the Americans, Germany consumers will be able to buy good and cheap EVs.