Ship chat: Norway Class

[@jasondavis1615]

I love the idea of the lance phaser. Would be great to see it put to good use in canon.

[@nathans3769]

I personally love the Norway class. I always felt it deserved more screen time. I never knew why the ship never appeared. Love your work man. Keep it coming.

[@ilpoomatili9549]

I have seen so much fan art of the norway, that I feel like it is subconsciously a fan favorite

[@jonnybridin]

I really wish the devs at STO would have adapted your take on this ship. A ship with a big lance phaser would have been way better than yet anothet carrier. Great vid.

[@peterhans3791]

If you get the immolating phaser lance console off the Demios Pilot destroyer(Picard S1 synth ship) you can slap that on to give it a phaser lance.

[@MandoMTL]

The wasted, empty space between the nacelles always seemed to beg for an Akira style torpedo launcher pod. I understand the ship would have been classified as a heavy attack frigate in peace time, but the retrofit would have been quite simple should war have been declared.

[@Euripides_Panz]

Maybe it was intentional. High-threat assignments get rapid refit at select Drydock facilities. Additional shield generators, pulse cannons, phaser strips, full-size or micro torpedo launch units could be fixed to existing hard points within hours, depending on the nature of the mission.

[@pauls478]

Another thought for that space is that it could be used for cargo: run a series of tractor beam emitters along each pylon to hold the cargo in place for rapid load & unload, plus easy to jettison if a quick escape is required.

[@taraswertelecki3786]

That empty space between the nacelles could be used for so many improvements, such as a more powerful reactor core, more or more powerful engines, rearward firing weapons, extra shield generators, or a bay from which auxiliary craft can be launched and recovered. All without increasing the ships size very much, and not at all with the bow or stern facing an enemy vessel.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

very true. and i'd like to think that in time we'd see such variants developed.

[@MandoMTL]

Just typed that myself. Such an obvious space for an Akira-esque rapid fire torpedo battery. The ship would have been a monster so armed to the teeth.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@MandoMTL I'm not sure if the idea was to have the nacelles and pylons 'slide' originally, along the tines, or if it serves instead as a dock for 'equipment modules' and so forth. Useful, surely, if so.

[@tburrows357]

That also bugged me about the design. First because it looks like such a week point. You hit that forked area at its smallest point and you can blow a necelle clean off and possibly cause a warp core overload back along the warp conduit from core to nacelle But I also viewed that space like the millennium Falcon. As it was designed as large cargo container mover. Perfectly placed between the warp nacelles means minimal strain on the warp bubble. Think like a sea can shipping container but bigger sliding right in between the nacelles. Like for building outposts and new space stations quickly in forward operating bases.

[@tonybeattie7020]

Alway thought should have a torpedo pod on the top or bottom feel the empty space between nacelles is a bit silly

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I could definitely see that. Some kind of rollbar would definitely work.

[@Euripides_Panz]

Maybe they intended to have some flank tubes at the leading edge. Combined with maneuverability, Norway can quickly down attack ships, pirate raiders, and give it an edge against sluggish opponents of equal or greater mass. Norway might be a good mod candidate for microtorpedo phalanx. OR, perhaps a mini torpedo, a smaller, cheaper photon warhead with a small, fast missile launch pod that can be easily mounted, deployed, retracted, and replaced on a number of designs. A ripple-launch sequence would devastate light targets and punish all but the heaviest ships to either flank. OP, or prudent defense measure under threat of invasion?

[@ISAF_Ace]

The Norway is a neat little ship and always seemed to be pretty solid and looks absolutely stunning remastered. I always envisioned the Norway as fitting into the role of a destroyer. Something that makes up the rank and file of the federation fleet and executes manoeuvres with other ships like the sabre and defiant. While I do enjoy the inclusion of the Lance phaser I personally prefer to see it as a close support gunboat, something relatively manoeuvrable and fast that it can keep up with the lighter ships and join them in the fray without being too much of a hinderance to them. It can sit just behind the skirmish line as a reserve force that can quickly plug any holes in the line until a galaxy or sovereign shows up. I guess i think this because it looks very sturdy, the ship appears to be strongly armoured almost like a scaled up defiant.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and every detail possibly provided indeed, And I like the Norway class very much and like its design and look and it's performance and tasks of the ship and so forth, And I myself own the Eaglemoss model of this ship in my collection of a lot of various other starship's by them as well👌.

[@patrickbasin9389]

I think Minneapolis, has seen a lot of immigration from Norway… regardless, that ship comes from a European made fan fiction. And Budapest isn’t it the United States. So I don’t think those names can be blamed on American Centrism.

[@TimothyChapman]

TL;DR: Venom Geek Media doesn't like Norway Class vessels with names that have nothing to do with Norway.

[@therearefourlights6926]

shh, better not tell him that Enterprise, Yamato, and Odyssey have nothing to do with Galaxy

[@QalOrt]

A Beautiful Ship

[@ycplum7062]

Brings to mind why Federation ships have a secondary hull, or at least one so far removed from the primary hull. On a secondary note. It sounds like teh Norway class is intended to be used almost as a cross between a torpedo boat a dive bomber. It has to maneuver like a torpedo boat with the precision strike of one big bomb from a dive bomber. In this case, I see otehr ships bombarding a target with photon torpedoes to weaken a shield or two, then the Norway comes in with a precision heavy punch of the phaser lance. Also, in this role, it would not need a lot of phaser banks, just a few since it was meant to provide fire support in much the way a tank (or assult gun) would provide fire support for infantry with the nfantry providing protection for the tank.

[@mikeshriver4282]

When I first First seen the Norway class in first contact I thought it looked like a kick-ass ship nothing too fancy about it just straight to the point. Adding to what I put earlier I love its low profile it's almost like you could put wheels at the bottom of it and make it into a Hot wheel 😂😂😂😂

[@ArtietheArchon]

First I'd heard of the Norway-class Phaser Lance. It has gone up on my list quite a bit as a result. I do like that the Norway presents such a small target, particularly if attacking with its phaser lance, that with a slightly nose-up attitude it can protect its entire secondary hull and warp nacelles from direct fire (power couplings included)

[@miamijules2149]

nice…. love the Norway too

[@warhawk4494]

Interesting class I unfortunately don't know as much about it as I'd like so your video help fill in some of the gaps of my knowledge of trek ship lore and technical specifications. Thank you. I love the Saber class and steamrunner. But especially the Saber. I love a little pitbull of ship in combat. Like the Defiant which is my all time favorite ST ship.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i love all the 'first contact' designs i think its probably because they all have a little klingon dna in them with their downward angled nacelles.

[@warhawk4494]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I agree these at the time were fresh ship designs in a not stagnant but definitely stuck in a certain look in ship designs. And I can see some Klingon DNA in them too maybe even a touch of romulan too. Could you imagine some if these ships with star fleet cloaking devices that let you pass through matter. Hot dang slid inside a Borg cube leave a big ass anti matter bomb slip on out the other side. Bam!

[@cdrocrossdiscovery]

In all honesty, there is nothing 'Sovereign' about the Enterprise - E. Nice job, keep em coming.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

The Norway did fall into obscurity till I think the Dominion Wars game. At least thats the first time I saw it post First Contact, then popped its head out again in SFC3...I think it was AWOL in Armada 1 and 2. Definitely a neat little ship; larger then those fast attack destroyers like the Saber, but not quite cruiser sized. I always thought of her as a sort of heavy escort for larger slower battlecruisers. You calling it a monitor/artillery ship was a first for me and a class I never considered.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

its role as a monitor came from its role in the anti borg fleet. it looked too delicate to be getting up close like the defiant and Steamrunner. but it clearly didn't have the torpedoes of the Akria so i reasoned a lance phaser. since it has that very strange cutout on its bow.

[@Euripides_Panz]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 As a throwback to USS Monitor, I'd like to see an official design make use of superfire dual pulse cannon turrets, along with lateral columnated arrays, type 9 cannon rotary batteries, to keep the number of weapons modest and unassuming, yet overcome the weakness of front-fixed cannon arrays.

[@CaptainSovereign]

Thank you making a video about one of my favorite ship... (Always good to see something related to my country)

[@dwighthuth1171]

Any intel on this new ship? Startrek:Prodigy We get our first glimpse of their ship, what appears to be the NX 76884 USS Protostar. Since it carries the NX registration, perhaps this was an experimental ship or prototype of some kind.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i know as much as the rest of you.

[@hanswadam2]

Yeah. 1. one to watch! Greetings from Wetaskiwin-Alberta-Canada

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Greetings from Dominion occupied Lockdown Ontario.

[@ebenezer1690]

HMS Dickish arguably one of the greatest.

[@toska8664]

Yes! This is one of if not my favourite ship, it was my sto captain's first command in headcannon. Love that you mention the Phaser Lance, it is pretty clear in First contact that it has one. Or at very least a phaser that is it's primary weapon, for it is fired at the same time as the Akira's and Saber's torpedo volleys on a full forward attack pattern. Also the deflector is high up in the recessed nose section, far too much room for nothing at all considering it's a warship that could fit at least 2 torpedo launchers in that space.

[@toska8664]

Hey you loved my comment! Cool! Just saying your one of the best channels to evolve on youtube for many years. I have respect for your bringing an intellectual perspective into the otherwise purly aesthetic fondness for these things. Never expected to hear the name of my favourite writer Hannah Arendt in the same video as Gul Dukat. Also apprieciate the obvious Napoleonic influence; music and a tendency to present space battles in the same way as we present Austerlitz etc. Oh and I called my Norway U.S.S. Bergen.

[@jeffhallam2004]

Very cool! 😎

[@PaulNelson392]

As far as ship names go, sometimes the class is named for the first ship of the class. For example, the Nimitz class aircraft carrier. One is named after an admiral, one for a congressman, one for a senator, and 7 for presidents.

[@alphaone5406]

The closest we get in Star Trek online for the Norway I believe is the Oslo variant of the Akira.

[@GliderBane]

I don't know about Budapest, but there are a lot of people of Norwegian decent in Minnesota. Naming a Norway class after one of her cities would actually make sense. I have a good friend from Norway and he often jokes that there are more Norwegians in the US then there are in Norway.

[@soupxv213]

Imagine half way through TNG we got a string of episodes that don’t show the exterior of the enterprise and then when they do finally show it again it’s clearly a different modal and it’s obvious that someone deleted the wrong file lmao

[@matthewlamont3112]

I get the impression that it's torpedo launchers are/were on the underside in light it's strafing/bombardment role.

[@matthewwhite4564]

"neither of which are in Norway" LOL idk why but this line made me laugh harder than it should have

[@marsar1775]

Quite enjoyed this video, the Norway is my favorite of the oft forgotten ships of the federation. id love to captain one personally. it seems like one of the most sensibly designed ships in star trek, when you think about what its main opponents would be. Its also suprisingly durable despite low stats in the game star trek: legacy. ive been able to severely damage ships like the D'Deridex in 1 on 1s at higher difficulties, but i dont get a phaser lance there. i would love to see more of her. if shes a long range ship, its possible she could still be used in Picard in that role, as she wouldnt be targeted unless the battle turned against the federation, and like you mentioned, she wouldnt be helpless even then. Also, would be nice to have some norwegian names, but then i wouldnt know how to say them!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah she is basically the 'Essential' anti borg ship. very well rounded but unencumbered with bells and whistles, elegant and simple.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 so, I assume the lance phaser is the only one we see firing, on screen? Hence the Monitor idea being derived, by yourself...? Makes sense, though maybe not as the initial design output. As for age, the ship looks maybe the oldest of the First Contact designs, but that's more a rough guess, and not saying much.

[@brandonwachter2264]

Out of the "Anti-Borg" vessel classes the Norway class was admittedly my 2nd to least favorite design. Just above the Steamrunner class. But, what do I know. I'm a fan of Olympic & Daedalus classes. 😊✌

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I feel you on the Olympic and daedalus

[@UnknownUzer]

How much more powerful is the lance phaser supposed to be when compared to standard phasers? It strikes me as a weapon that would have a long recharge rate and slow rate of fire. What are it's in canon history and its strengths and its weaknesses?

[@0SgtRoadkill0]

Still enraged this shop hasn't shown up in STO. I do wonder if it was referenced in lower decks whether it'd just be a running joke where they always say that X ship is going to arrive or is that the y ship and you never actually see it. It does show up in DS9 and voyager on displays.

[@wolfjarlgrbane5771]

I am Playing the Valder/Fleet Norway and Loving them so far in Star Trek Online. It has the feeling I like turn wise, and Battle capabilities.

[@wolfjarlgrbane5771]

I swapped out Mjolnir Experimental Weapon for an Upgraded Multi target Hyper Exited Ion Stream.

[@Vandelberger]

OMG, Norway did I expect to see you review this ship.

[@ThommyofThenn]

The N.A.-centric Federation is really immersion breaking it has to be said. At least DS9 has a runabout named after an Asian river, good thing Earth has so many!

[@ussvoyager8650]

The Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre, & Norway class Starships R really COOL & I've got the models nxt 2 each other

[@descendinguniverse]

nice ship, enjoyed Squadron

[@AvgeekJoe]

Very nice episode, thank you!

[@DefiantAML]

Never understood that negative space between the nacelles. Its as if a part of the ship was missing. Like a weapons pod or large shuttle. Similar to the Odyssey class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

A large daughter craft would be interesting

[@JeremyBuxman]

I know I'm really, really late to this, but I feel like the only other thing the ship could use is maybe to fill in the gaps between the "tails". Otherwise it makes sense in a lot of ways for a Federation fortress-buster (which I feel like is something they would want and need regularly)

[@Lenzabi]

It is named after the city of Norway, Michigan USA which is close to Vulcan, Michigan

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

you have a city called Vulcan? (For the roman god i assume...)

[@Lenzabi]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Very likely due to Michigan having been a manufacturing state

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@Lenzabi of course.

[@alexandercaires5921]

Yes, we do. It's also a stone throw away from Remus.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@alexandercaires5921 your blowing my mind right now.

[@richjordan6461]

Your video didn't really even mention a specialty in strategy against bigger targets, aside from the Borg. I think they would be used most when a large ship was expected in the enemy force. I'd love to see a Norway fleet versus the Hutet

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I guess not but your absolutely right it would. Luckily the two never crossed paths.

[@taraswertelecki3786]

It looks vulnerable to a well aimed shot shearing off a warp nacelle. The ship could easily had more space for crew, weapons, a more powerful reactor core and stores for long deployments by using that empty space between the nacelles, without making the ship larger and therefore an easier target.

[@birdmonster4586]

Whilst my favourite ship will remain the Intrepid Class all of the new ship designs are great and it's a real pity the norway was lost or a while. Giving it a Phaser lance help it make sense in the fleet as well. as for the phaser arrays? Well starleet likes to give most of its ships good all round defense for the most part. So I assume you add as many as are needed to meet that requirement.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah the Norway and steamrunner both have issues with having inexplicably split arrays. when there is no need. and in fact is been suggested that bigger arrays increase power. so i don't see why for example the new model shows 4 arrays on either side of the Wedge.

[@misanthropichumanist4782]

Re: naming conventions, What if the Starfleet intent was to use placenames generally for the class?

[@nunya3163]

Are the Nroway and Saber the Federations version of the Briel?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

no their far too big, the defiant is the closest to the B'rel, Saber is a destroyer, and norway is a frigate.

[@davidedens6353]

Did it ever occur to you that the lead ship is named for a city named Norway not the country? Doug Drexler said the CGI model was lost and could not be found.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

there's a city named Norway?

[@davidedens6353]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 at least half a dozen in the USA

[@hamzadeen3119]

I posit that navigational deflectors r used during sublight travel. When traveling at warp speed u more n less sink n2 a bubble of subspace. The gravitational distortional field it create should shield the starship in all directions sorta like a forcefield Plus there shouldn't b debris asteroids or microscopic particulates I'm assuming in subspace

[@alf421701]

I also thought that it had phaser Canon torrents or was that non-conon references

[@OllamhDrab]

I think the Norway is one of those ships that suffers terribly from the 'Looks terrible in plan views' syndrome. And still ungainly from a lot of the shots where it appears in the background. Kind of like the Saber and to some extent the Steamrunner, which has some badarse-looking angles. (The Saber-class actually grew on me, and the Steamrunner looked built-for-purpose all along, but I think the Norway maybe really took the loving attention of the 'Squadrons' fan film to ever actually look right. And it makes sense that lance phasers feature prominently in ships designed to be anti-Borg ...cause generally you'd want to hit really hard in a short time before they adapt. Also in the times of the Breen weapon being checkmate, you'd also want to ...not get hit by the thing and instead hit hard before they hit you. Agile ships that hit hard would be well-concentrated there.

[@shanenolan8252]

Cheers, i wonder if she is Norway class because she was built in Norway ? or the prototype

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Presumably due to the prototype USS Norway @Shane Nolan (one fanon registry commonly being NCC-62341...)

[@shanenolan8252]

@@chrissonofpear1384 yes , it just seems like earth or Starfleet has facilities all over the world like academy's in fan Francisco and paris and in Australia and other facilities in London and Iowa. Why not Scandinavian ones too . But yes the first ship in a class is usually the name of them like constitution or galaxy intrepid, defiant. Ect

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@shanenolan8252 in theory, yes. They have the San Francisco yards, but that is apparently the main space port for Earth, that said. And Utopia Planetia further off, plus likely Jupiter based facilities. I've fleshed out an older frigate design (from Last Unicorn Games RPG) myself, known as the Ukora-class, which are generally named for African towns. Borrowed a design from Ex Astris Fleet Yards, for it, also.

[@shanenolan8252]

@@chrissonofpear1384 yes i believe spacedock also builds ships . San Francisco is called a fleetyard. So bigger that a regular shipyard . Like utopia appers to be able to build 24 ships in orbit with an equal number of ground facilities manufacturing components and building ships in early construction before moving to space and other ships that can be made on the surface, like intrepid or perhaps defiant class as they are smaller. Its a theory but it seems like Starfleet uses former military yards and civilian yards , like san san Francisco for the United states navy. So British or Australian and Chinese and Japanese sites make sense to me . In my head canon .the federation also has civilian ship yards on alpha centauri and Starfleet fleet yards on mars , on beta colony and star base 13 and 238 which we see are near Klingon space redemption part two tng . And and smaller one near Vulcan that makes ships for Vulcan crews . The must have many more throughout federation space, i recall in deep space 9 , they mentioned a wartime emergency shipyards, plural . Under reconstruction. I think it was the episode with the romulans are brought into the war . In the pale moonlight.

[@nunya3163]

How can a studio let something as expensive as a CG ship model get corrupted and lost? Have they never heard of data back-ups?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

this was the late 90s they weren't so good at data handling then.

[@hanshawks5088]

Why isn't there a Sedwen or Denmark class ???

[@jinsetayinsei4146]

This ship was always a hard one to sort out. I encountered the version packed with guns and figured it was an 'escort' ship that was easier to mass produce. That's what everyone seemed to want after all. If I had to balance it, I'd give the weapons, shields, and sensors of an Intrepid with a scaled back warp speed. Looking at the Norway again leaves me with the imagery of rushed production. Modelers can make rush cut jobs because they think ILM will just smooth out and refine the model digitally while ILM will just uses blur and distancing to hide those imperfections because Paramount paid for the cg value of an Ollie's clearance rack. That or I've been watching too much production stuff. I dare say it might be time to take a little artistic license on their appearance and refine their rough edges if nothing else.

[@SPatrickRoss]

She's Captain of the Norway and a thorn in Dominion's side... Protector of Pell Starbase and a source of grudging pride... 😉

[@joshuawoodruff2744]

The U.S.S. Erikson would be an appropriate name for a Norway class starship. Named for Lief Erikson the Norse explorer who was thought to have discovered North America almost 500 years before Christopher Columbus.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I like that a lot

[@casbot71]

The negative space between the nacelles just bugs me. And just a slight variation in the dimensions of it makes it looks _"off"._ It would be nice to see a refit with that space filled up, and in universe it would have made more sense to have that space housing the systems for the rear of the Lance.

[@wolfcraft484]

the norway in my opinion is a battle monitor those are basicly slightly more armored monitors with a bit more secondarys

[@somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024]

With many ship classes, the naming convention is a bit all over the place. Its actually rarer that starfleet even uses a naming convention for classes of ship. The Connie, California, Akira, Oberth, Saber and the Luna classes have naming conventions, yes. But the Excelsior doesnt. Nor does the Galaxy, Intrepid, Ambassador, Steamrunner, Miranda, or Nebula classes. So it depends. The fact the Norway is named after places on Earth? I think there is a naming convention. Its just not places in Norway. 🤷‍♂️

[@_BLACKSTAR_]

6 phasers is about right 2 dorsal bow 2 ventral bow & 2 aft

[@madrabbit9007]

I always thought this was in the top ten ugliest ships but I did enjoy the break down.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

Not even close.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

“…neither of which are in Norway.” 👍🏻 dropped a like just for that line 👌 That said, I want to love the Norway, but I find the geometry of its nacelle pylons annoying. They are too long, too bulky, and connected by too narrow a joint to the engineering hull. This makes them seem flimsy and ready to break off. If they connected by an extended secondary hull or a their length would seem more reasonable.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Tallying up various names from RPGs and video games, they seem to often be named for places all over Europe, far beyond Scandinavia. One is also named USS Mjolnir, in the novels.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah. personally i would add an additional 'brace' at the back i'd also change the sweep of the 'wings' having them swept back, also reducing the overall length of the pylons.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I like the idea of the wings being swept back. Their trapezoid shape is definitely part of what bugs me about them.

[@davesobani9565]

I would have made a second class that removed the lance phaser and added pulse phasers , but then i would have also given the Saber pulse phasers since they are but Hit and Run design

[@rogueshadow4960]

The ship is named after citys i think

[@fbi805]

It's an oversized Y-wing

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

interesting point. certainly if they moved the nacelles back i could definitely see it.

[@leeprice2849]

There are a lot of people in Minneapolis of Norwegian decent.

[@RiceWD05]

To be fair to the name Minneapolis, Minnesota has a large population pulled from Norway

[@brightlord-ov7cm]

Not anymore, they have Muslims there en mass.

[@oliverfranke7650]

So, one show actually makes the California class having ships named after minor cities in California and suddenly every shipclass has to follow that pattern?🤨

[@milkcookies7753]

Would love a nova class review my trek friend and fellow 🇬🇧

[@cesarespinozaspain]

She looks so delicate in the back... those pylons look like they would sever in half with one good hit. That negative space in the back is such a waste of valuable potential hull area. You could slot so many different modules in that space.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

defintiely. i wouldn't hate a Tanker/Cargo variant of the norway particularly in the late 24th century. but yeah it does feel like a design that needs 'Finishing'

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Seems like it could likely mount cargo or troop pods, in the slot. May have been intended to have sliding nacelles, at one point in design, too...

[@cesarespinozaspain]

@@chrissonofpear1384 I was thinking the same thing.. they could use the extra module for transporters and additional personell for boarding actions. Or extra weapons pods or a similar style sensor array like the Nebula class. That would make for an excellent reconnaissance or Awacs style command and control center. And they could use it for exploration when they're not getting shot at.

[@pfcn2]

- What is the expectancy of life of starship class before decommission date?

[@SlartiBartfast2469]

Depends on circumstances, war particularly however older models don't last as long , the miranda excluded (why I don't know why it is still in Fleet service no matter how many refits it has its weak)

[@casbot71]

In the Excelsior's case it _never_ gets a decommission date. [There's a 25th century refit which brings it up to Odyssey class (Enterprise-F) tech level].

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Average of 40 years, it seems. But some designs may become redundant, faster. Others just never seen to get a completely satisfactory replacement, for nearly a century. Presumably Mirandas came out of mothballs for the Dominion war, mostly. Bar a few kept in service, prior.

[@brucenadeau2172]

the thing is venom geek is the only place that has a norway lance phaser i like the ideal but from beta fleet , bravo fleet, starbase 400, starrbase 118, actd , obsidian fleet, and ditl do not even talk about lance phaser

[@BRIX478]

The Norway class can also land just like the Intrepid class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Really? Surely it wouldn't be able to balance though?

[@TommygunNG]

Looks like a giant Y-wing.

[@lyreamoonchild2024]

That's why it's cool

[@joshuawoodruff2744]

Sad but true that many Americans are ignorant when it comes to geography.

[@BoisegangGaming]

I have to disagree. It's not that we Americans don't know European Geopgraphy, it's that we don't know Geography, period.

[@diehardjagged3279]

I really want ro fill that empty space

[@stuew6]

Norway class were name after City's.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

then why not call it City class since Norway still isn't a city!

[@FLAME4564]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Mainly people in the YT comments have been reffrencing Norway as in Norway the country more than the cities so the only known Norweigan city in norway is Budapast if im not mistaken since naming a another noway class ship after such a city like Budapast would make just as much sense if im not mistaken?

[@CllrP]

Could have been worse, could have been named Boaty McBoatface class

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Negative space serving no purpose instead of secondary hull always turned me off.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

definitely feels like some kind of mounting rail. but equally if it was filled in the ship would feel much heavier.

[@lanebowles8170]

Hmmmm... I disagree with you about the number of phasers the Norway class would have had. Six phasers should be the minimum to maintain a full round field of fire typical of Federation ships. If you said that the Federation was so desperate for ships against the Borg (and were certain it would be the Borg they would be primarily fighting) that they were literally pushing ships out of construction when they had only the armament strictly required to fulfill their role in an anti-Borg task force and also were half finished in the rest of the ships' interiors not strictly required for a battle with the Borg I could get behind that argument. However, that is not what is implied in the movies and DS9, as the second Borg incursion came as a half expected surprise amid the preparations for conflict with a much more traditional enemy in the Dominion and Cardassians. In such a conflict with the Dominion and the Cardassians, their ships would be able to take advantage of the Norway's severe lack of arcs of fire with the mere two or three phasers you would alot to the Norway class. I cannot see a conservative Starfleet engineer/architect allowing this to come to pass.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

while i would agree particular with ships of the 60s the Norway is extremely maneuverable and so its very difficult to get into a blind spot. couple that with formation flying and its almost impossible to get around a norway.

[@lanebowles8170]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I agree, the Norway class is extremely maneuverable...in comparison to a Borg Cube, Romulan D'deridex, Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser, and Federation Galaxy class ships. This would very much not be the case when coming up against small Klingon Birds-of-Prey, Jem'Hadar attack ships, or even the Cardassian Hideki class. It would be these ships the Norway class would have to fight against far more often than against a single big opponent. In regards to formation flying, first this is not something the Federation Starfleet would be much practiced at as, far as we know, there hasn't been an organized war on the scale of the Dominion War or even the short Federation-Klingon War in decades. Not even the end of your version of the Cardassian Border Wars would provide the proper exposure to encourage the development of close formations. Nevertheless, having reviewed this video a second time, I realized that the disagreement between us is a moot point. At 5:20 to 5:50 you describe that various sources place the number of secondary phaser armament at 4 to 6, which you consider to be far too many this simple hull design. Then you go ahead and describe the secondary phaser armament you imagine, consisting of two phaser strips on the main (primary?) hull (upper?), one big ventral phaser, then "two pairs" (4 in total?) on the nacelle pylons. That adds up to 7 phasers, more than what you described most of your sources stated. Thus our disagreement is a moot point.

[@СемёнДудин-э2р]

battlestar Norway Class

[@philiptai2675]

The way you say "member" is very posh. Memmmbuh.

[@45580677]

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[@cougar_mountain]

I like how you are sharing the information on the ships but how you end the videos is jarring. Just talking and click done.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

I don't like the Norway's Gap in between the sale pylons I think that should have been filled in they could have put a shuttle Bay there even if it was raised up slightly like put a piece in there that's not kind of octagon top and bottom on it you know I can take a stop sign you put it cut it in half put on top and bottom that kind of shape and a shuttle Bay right in the rear where they could have put a big impulse engine there but I think it would have made a great long shuttle Bay look how long it would be she could hold you know at least six fighters in there or some runabouts she can hold some runabouts in there maybe three three four run about I mean that's what I would want if I just started and I can pick auxiliary class for battle I'd pick up you know if I had to be at Norway and there's a shuttle Bay right there I'd want at least four runabouts in there and I want my runabouts modified to carry quantum torpedoes or at least felt good the most powerful photon torpedoes and the most powerful microphone torpedoes you know and that's what they do you know we got to fight with another ship I'd launch all four of them and I tell them just to open up with those torpedoes on the other s*** but yeah you can use the phasers once the shields are down but just you know as soon as this as soon as you can just pump a full of torpedoes tell him to launch at least three four five photons off the top and at least three of the micro torpedoes from the nose at the same time I feed s*** did that that'd be six nine it's just three ships didn't let me know and the micro torpedoes are probably only about half as strong as a real faux on but still I don't know what ship shield could we stand that being hit all at once from multiple sides like I said there was two Jim and Darth fighters you know earthly there was a gym at our cruiser and a gym with our fighter and two gyms are fighters and the Norway just launch its run about to run about to each go after the gym and dark fighters find torpedoes Adam

[@MiiFone1]

venom geek I would think You would need a deflector @ probably just about any real speed faster than maneuvering thrusters. Can you imagine not using a Nav deflector @ full impulse. Just try hitting meteors & meteorites @.25c or any impulse speed really. Your ship would not last long even if hitting just tiny dust particles @ full impulse. & So just to make my point & for reference say at full impulse .25c. That would be like hitting objects @1.677e+8 MPH or 167,700,000 MPH. So I'm pretty confident that yeah you would need a deflector. So i don't get the lance phase r deflector idea. Makes no scientific sense.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

if the lance was online you'd of course have to raise the shields. but also bear in mind its ablative armor. and generally when your using the lance you aren't accelerating anyway.

[@privatename5788]

Opening your video by begging for money guarantees that you'll get neither my money, my sub, or even my like/dislike. You'll get this one comment telling you to put that crap at the end of your video, because it's not what we come to KZbin for. The best channels don't even ask at all, and still have millions of subscribers. Put it together. It's content we come for, not commercials, and if you make good content, you'll get paid.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

You are aware you can skip ahead? Sometimes I do put it at the end but it's primarily to acknowledge those who choose to support me. Most channels tend to hook you and then E-beg which personally I find more disruptive.

[@russell5078084]

You need to get to the point and ramble less.