Ship chat: Miranda Class variants

[@glennlaroche1524]

The indignance at the shameful public nudity of the Lantree got me🤣🤣🤣

[@okankyoto]

Video demonetized for Miranda Class nudity.

[@Qardo]

The Miranda-Class is like the Fletcher-class Destroyer. The Fletcher-Class in the USN was basically everywhere. Did all sorts of roles. 175 made. Plus several classes were born off the backbone of the Fletcher-class. The Allen M. Summer-Class and the Gearings-Class were their own Class but they are technically a "Subclass" of the Fletcher-class.

[@entropy11]

Excellent comparison!

[@robmcelwee389]

My grandpa was on a Fletcher that torpedoed a Japanese battleship at the battle of Surigao Straight.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

The Sumner and Gearing classes were not Fletcher sub class ships. They were dramatically different designs born out of combat experience during the war.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

The Fletcher being part of the USN's ambitious plan to line them up end to end and walk across the Atlantic

[@athena139c]

The Miranda-class kind of gets undue ridicule for being cannon fodder but needs to be recognized as the flexible backbone of Starfleet. As the Vulcan saying goes: infinite diversity in infinite combinations. One variant that comes to mind is the Kobayashi Maru-class from Star Trek Online is an interesting Miranda-class variant that seems to be a civilian cargo model of a similar vein to the Bradley-class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah oddly enough it didn't do well in a 24th century battlespace. But what did?

[@TheRezro]

​@@venomgeekmedia9886 Reliant was actually special snowflake as it actually has shorter nacelles then other versions. Practical reason was that they use slightly different model. But Beta canon actually has another explanation. As Reliant was refit of Anton class destroyer, relative of more utility based Mirandas (what may or may not be related to Malachowsky).

[@mephistoxarses8585]

I have nothing but fond memories of the USS Reliant. You have to remember that back in the day (Apart from the FASA rpg etc) ST fans had never really seen any other classes of Starfleet ships on screen except for the TOS Connie and then the refit in TMP. When The wrath of Khan movie came out, to actually see a different class of vessel was "Quite exciting"

[@timcirulis5273]

It was "The Wrath of Khan" that made me fall in love with Star Trek and the Miranda class was a big part of that.

[@jameslewis2635]

I think that the sheer modularity of the Miranda design is probably it's greatest strength. Just by initially having that roll bar in it's first appearence made it so easy to stick on little pieces and change things out. When you make it easy for the FX guys to glue extra bits on, you can almost guarentee it appearing in financially limited episodes.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

The Miranda indeed has a vast number of subclasses. I wouldn't be surprised if combined, they unironically they made up a quarter of all Starfleet ships. They are reliably reliant for being able to remain in active service for a century and a half. I would be curious to know which subclass variant many people in the comment section prefer the most? To quote one certain Starfleet cadet "She's a tough little ship, though."

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'll make that a poll

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Include the various FASA, Jackill and Starfleet Dynamics ones too, and sure, that list would soon be populated fast.

[@markwilson3697]

them and the Nebula class and its variants

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Small but fun fact. The Antares type is actually briefly visible, in 'A Time to Stand' I believe - three of them flying behind Starbase 375, in tight formation.

[@Albert23456]

Thanks for this video... answers my questions about the Miranda class nicely. Good job on this

[@theelusive9625]

I have a feeling the Soyuz 'Class' probably started out as the Miranda Class 'USS Soyuz' (duh) getting an experimental upgrade (the communication parts) which worked out so well that Starfleet decided to make it more widespread to about a dozen ships which were considered Soyuz 'Variants'. Said variants seemingly became more ubiquitous (I mean come, how hard would it be to swap the parts in and out on any Miranda, right?) and people, upon seeing them, would say, 'Oh, it's a Soyuz'. Over time (and simply the normalization of their existence) the Soyuz 'Variants' would just (through a kind of osmosis/mental laziness) become the Soyuz 'Class'. 80 Years after the 'Variant' had been phased out, people who never lived during the time these ships existed would likely, upon looking through the Miranda's illustrious history, see mentions of this Variant as a 'Class' and, since they never lived in the time it existed, they just believe what was written. Great video as usual.

[@jaydabbs118]

the naked Miranda 😂

[@Tcj8402]

The Miranda class of Kirk’s era was basically what the Excelsior class became in Picard’s era. Fleet workhorse and served many different roles within StarFleet

[@KertaDrake]

The Miranda basically gave all the benefits of a Constitution class in a more compact and cheaper to build package where you could swap out modules for specific tasks rather than building a ship that has everything built in by default! I imagine it's the main reason in the setting why we don't see Constitutions being brought out for the Dominion War, the Miranda was just THAT much more resource efficient!

[@timcirulis5273]

​@@KertaDrakeIn all ways. Parts, materials and crew. I think crew complement would have been the most important part in the Dominion War. You could run a Miranda with 25 people, the Constitution need 200, if I remember correctly. I think you're spot on with your analysis.

[@rodan9773]

Cool i was wondering if you would do more of these nice one. Respect and keep up the epic work.

[@Tobiasfowler]

I personally like the Miranda, it shows utility and versatility in its design. I had a thought however, we view it as a spin off from the Constitution refit, but it’s debut is only a movie after and it’s not portrayed as a new or advanced ship. What if the Miranda was introduced and was so successful they retrofitted the parts to the Constitution, as part of a class modernisation program. In my mind that make the various flaws in the Constitution refit all that much more explainable.

[@gwenweight6916]

People don't talk enough about the Karmen sub variant. They were used as produce haulers between Vulcan and Andoria. The cargo containers were connected to the dorsal side. The entire fleet was later sold to the Risan government and used for tourist party cruises through the Rhumba asteroid belt after being fitted with Rhumba Grills to protect from meteorite impacts. If you don't believe me, look it up. Rhumba, Grills, Miranda, Karmen.

[@gwenweight6916]

That was a quality gag. You people have no sense of humor. :)

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and detail possibly provided indeed, I myself love the Miranda class and I have and own all the different Eaglemoss variations of the ship as well as various different model kits of the class as well as various conversion parts for the kits as well👌.

[@JoacinoDaGona]

5:15 Think less communication and more espionage and surveillance. A sensitive comms array could very well be used to track communication (and thus fleet movements) within enemy space. I am pretty sure there was an episode of TNG in which an observatory or telescope array close to the cardassian border caused some frictions.

[@marmite8959]

Weirdly it's my favourite ship design in Star Trek and I'm glad it stuck around in the TNG and DS9 era. It's practical, familiar, compact, and powerful for its day. It was a Miranda class that crippled the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan, and they even participated in the Battle of Sector 001 in First Contact. You know it's a solid ship when Starfleet are trusting a 100y/o design to defend Earth from the Borg. Plus those rear hangar doors are just sexy imo.

[@maximusstarblazer]

Love your humor 🤣

[@ussvoyager8650]

I really like the Miranda class it's definitely 1 of my favourite Starfleet Vessels

[@tra-viskaiser8737]

Great video again.. I always enjoy what you do

[@alanmike6883]

The Miranda. The backbone of the fleet. Upgraded over time like the excelsior. Both ships were vital for starfleet in their heyday before the borg and dominion

[@shawnbeckmann1847]

They had the torpedo launchers on the roll bar like that because the ship is made from explodium so they wanted a little distance between the ship and the torpedo launchers

[@okankyoto]

Gotta keep enough space inside the walls for all the Federation-issue starship rocks too.

[@tra-viskaiser8737]

I see what the antares class has kitbashed as its module... it's the excelsior class models stand.. I do enjoy kitbashes from time to time

[@atlanticcable]

I have this model from Eaglemoss, and only watching this have I realised that yes, that's exactly what it is!

[@tullyDT]

Aweome more lore on my favourite Starfleet ship

[@freelancenerd4804]

My favorite class!!!

[@The1stImmortal]

I enjoy the clear line from the Miranda family to the Nebula. Both were applications of tech/hardware developed for the flag cruisers (Miranda was a Constitution based ship, Nebula a Galaxy based ship) and both were highly customisable for different roles. With the Nebula tho they fully embraced the variability and put special functionality into a standardised, field interchangeable module rather than needing a major overhaul to switch variants.

[@twitchyartemis]

I wonder how the mega phasers compair to the type 8 phasers?

[@realamerican7626]

With the Jackill's ships guide, The Reliant variant is labeled as an Avenger class.

[@Firefox13A]

I remember. I think the name preceded ‘Miranda’ but it was absolutely the same ship class.

[@akihitokoizumi2474]

The Bozeman may be technically a sub-class variant. Historically navies have had many sub classes when they make enough changes.

[@shanenolan8252]

Yes soyus class . May have spelled that wrong but name after the Russian escape pod on space station's.

[@markbernd5866]

According to the TNG novel "Ship of the line", USS BOZEMAN is described as a border patrol cutter. Capt Bateson likened it to the old coast guard. The book also described the Bozeman as a refit Reliant class.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

For non-canon variants: I remember reading a Star Trek comic where a Miranda variant was equipped with this slow-charging "super weapon" on its rollbar module section that fired large energy waves. Just like Reliant, it was commandeered by hostile forces, and once again poor Chekov (this time with Scotty) was held captive and forced to work on the ship for the bad guys.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Ah yes, the USS Pacific, and the story with the Aegis (Gary 7's people)

[@jasonparis5635]

The Pacific was caraing a prototype protomatter weapon the same stuff that Dr David and Carol Marcus was using for the Genesis device

[@captainsensiblejr.]

The Miranda class is iconic.

[@billywolfe669]

Anyone else think the nebula class is the next gens Miranda class now

[@bettyswunghole3310]

...Wish *_I_* had a large, wedge-shaped module...!😂

[@bcjaerialphotography4265]

Lol the sensor pod on the Antares variant is literally the ship stand from the excelsior model Kit 😂😂

[@douglaseid9021]

I've heard the Bozeman variant was like an AWACS starship

[@galaxyknightred1469]

I feel that the Miranda class of ship was kind of the Original and movie era version of the Nebula class with how it has the difrent mission pods and modules. Yes I know that they are two totally different ship classes but what I am thinking is that the Miranda class was perhaps the test class to see if and how Starfleet could have one ship class but have it so that it could be equipped for different mission roles. Just like how the later Nebula class was.

[@entropy11]

The vessel with the longest service life in Starfleet history (If only because the Excelsior isn't retired and hasn't caught up yet) but the Miranda definitely makes up for it with numbers. IMO, the flexibility of the Miranda is what inspired the design of the Excelsior's planned modularity, and why the Excelsior will likely serve Starfleet well into the 2460s if not longer.

[@merafirewing6591]

I liked the TOS design of the Miranda-class.

[@KashouWannabe]

The Miranda; Jack of all trades, Master of all too.

[@dragdragon23]

If they added another pair of warp engines and power centers, It could be transform into a pocket battlecruiser. Or if it falls completely out of service? The ships could be turned into a vast fleet of attack drones for when it hits the fan or into civilian trans ports. If the Klingons have a hard time getting it up military whys, The federation could give all the out dated stuff away to them (Just like what the united states do in clearing out storage space). But to see them helping in taking back DS9 and On to helping defeating the Dominion, As they took part in every major battle on the show, Made me very happy !

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah I could definitely imagine the federation exporting them. I'd like to think that maybe the maquis had an old miranda transport.

[@dragdragon23]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Feel like I dodged a bullet! Thought your going to blast me on my comments! Of course now the Federation might not have so many ships in mothballs after so many got destroyed. I would like to know about how many ships and Starfleet personal (Including civilians) the federation lost though?

[@ISAF_Ace]

The Miranda class was a Starfleet staple for a long time, I would imagine that it does become a symbol of starfleet stagnation during the dominion war however as they would have been severely outdated and destroyed in large numbers. Its flexibility and many mission profiles would have made it invaluable in times of peace. I do have to disagree on the Soyuz class however, I am on the opinion that they are heavier phasers instead of sensors. My justification for this does mostly come from the beta cannon book ship of the line (even if it is refer to as Reliant class, but we ignore that). In ships of the line, it is referred to as a "Soyuz-class Border cutter" and is said to be a sub variant of the Reliant class which does lend credence to the idea that it is a Miranda sub variant. While I do believe that the two pods on the sides of the Nacelles are sensors for piercing detecting cloaked ships, captain Bateson does say that the 4 Soyuz class ships are (and I quote here) "Very compact, lots of power, no frills. Extra shielding, more weapons-not meant for the science application as the Reliant class is. The Bozeman and the other four Soyuz class ships are just knotted fists, and we pack a punch". Given that the Bozeman was assigned to solo missions on the Klingon border, I would suspect that it uses the side sensor pods to detect cloaked ships and then moves in to engage; that capability would also make it a good hunter killer in any conflicts against the Klingons. While it is Beta cannon, it is a good look at the Soyuz class and what it could have been. In ship of the line, it was less of a communication ship and more of a direct warship and patrol vessel. Captain Bateson even says "You may consider us, in a way, descendants of the United States Coast Guard". That would lead me to assume that the Soyuz class was something akin to what the Yanks call a Littoral Combat Ship. The small number that Captain Bateson says were built would also make me think that it was a very regional variant that was only produced to counter the Klingon threat in the region. The Soyuz is also a very tough little ship, when the USS Bozeman hits the USS Enterprise it doesn't appear to suffer much damage and just bounces off its nacelle harmlessly. It even engages and survives way longer that it has any right to against the Klingon heavy cruiser SoSoy tuj before being sent into the future. I would expect that the reason we never see any more Soyuz class ships after those few is that the peace with the Klingons and the advancements of the Excelsior along with a hefty price for the destroyers/frigates would make them unneeded. Then again, all that it Beta cannon so could mean absolutely nothing compared to the actual cannon. Beyond that, I agree with all the points on the other classes. The long lived Miranda certainly had its uses and was a vital Starfleet asset for the longest time.

[@QalOrt]

A pleasant surprise

[@jacobktan]

I watched your Constitution refit video recently, and it got me thinking about the warp core/speed and the Miranda class specifically. It's clear that the Miranda had a much shorter warp core than the Constitution refit. I think that the Miranda would have all the capabilities of a Constitution but with a lower maximum warp. I draw the capabilities conclusion from what is seen onscreen, and a size comparison done by EC Henry a few years ago that shows that the Miranda has a slightly larger internal volume than a Constitution.

[@entropy11]

higher utility but less a "go everywhere, do everything" vs the Constitution.

[@deamondeathstone1]

I allways thought the Antares variant was a space AWACS.

[@Samtheman85844]

Cool video.

[@trevynlane8094]

Four variants that probably exist, but haven't been shown onscreen: 1) Cargo variant: carries spare parts, bulk equipment, and even replacement shuttles/fighters around. Transported replacement shuttles/fighters are carried in pieces and this variant cannot act as a carrier. 2) Hospital ship: a massive floating medical facility for in depth care and disaster relief. Not produced in large quantities (IRL USN has 2 hospital ships, for example) so there are less then a dozen of these ships total. 3) Minesweeper variant: for sweeping spacemines in frontline locations and guiding fleets through dangerous chokepoints. Commonly made out of older or more beat up hulls (just like IRL minesweeping destroyers) 4) Patrol carrier variant: equipped to service and deploy a full squadron of Peregrine fighters, these were cheap carriers built quickly.

[@davebignell773]

Very nice work. The Miranda has always been one of my favourites, and its always good to see her given the respect she deserves. Just a query - wasn't the Ptolemy Class from the Starfleet Technical Manual, rather than FASA? And the Ptolemy was a general tug rather than a specific fuel hauler - there were different pods for fuel, containerised cargo, loose bulk cargo (grain, ore, etc), liquid cargo, frozen or refrigerated cargo, passenger transport, and even combat pods (those were introduced in the Starfleet Battles tabletop game if I recall correctly) which carried extra reactors, shield boosting systems and weapon systems (phasers, photons, even multiple drone missile racks or hangars and launch bays for fighters!).

[@thomaswright7270]

miranda varient i call the Papoos verient for section 31. nacells on the top. mega phasers on the bottom, and a roll bar w/ torpedos between the nacells

[@sailingmaster]

I've kinda always wondered if the Mirandas weren't Starfleet's way of getting the Federation to give them more ships with the capabilities of the Connies, while appearing smaller and theoretically cheaper, even if just in materials. EC Henry did a great video on how the Miranda is actually bigger than a Constitution in volume, while smaller in appearance. Enterprise and her sisters were the faces of Starfleet, while the Mirandas were the workhorses. Getting the Federation Parliament onboard with something like this would be entirely similar to tactics used in real history with convincing legislative bodies to pay for such things.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

The only problem I have with Star Trek despite loving it, is unlike Star Wars which has a rigid, concrete, military classes like Tector, Imperator, Allegiance, etc... is that the ships armament, dimensions, size and tactical modules, in Star Trek are not strictly adhered to. In Star Wars, the ships can be customized but the written Expanded Universe and the technical guidelines (aside from size changes in lore like SSD's being smaller and later on in later literature properly given their real length) are very strict. With Star Trek it's more vague and nebulous. It's like there never was a concentrated effort to clean up the discrepancies in the technical manuals. You can't find the statistics for the Romulan Condor Dreadnought from FASA because the fans don't consider that Canon.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah that's a problem that some fan designs end up excluded. I do like the condor though.

[@entropy11]

I just take it as "There was little effort by Starfleet to fully "standardize" a class." As an organization that continually insists it is not a military, it makes sense that each ship kind of takes on its own role and mix of equipment and capabilities, within the limits of its class.

[@grantyocom]

In one of your Cardassian War videos, you mentioned a ‘patrol variant’ that, given the image used in that episode, looked quite a bit like the Saratoga variant. Same ship?

[@grantyocom]

Battle of the badlands, I think. You used its intro image in this video.

[@grantyocom]

Uss Quinn

[@mustlovedragons8047]

The LCS talked the talk. But the Miranda walked the walk.

[@lynngreen7978]

I'd love to see a Vor'cha variants video.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'll think about it....

[@Colin_]

Oh yeah id love to see that or even just the different front modules there are as we only see the standard heavy disrupter.

[@jhallam2011]

Am I a tool for saying I love the Miranda? Maybe my favorite? I also love the Nebula.

[@shanenolan8252]

No ( tool ) i love the nebula as well

[@RedVexHK]

Info I got was that the Soyuz was a ship that had three iterations.. the one most commonly seen was the long range Communication sensor equipped ship.. used for intelligence gathering. the second one was the long range interdiction ship.. THAT was equipped with the Megaphasers ,That iteration was meant for heavy combat and carried a full compliment of fighter craft as well.( Purpose of that extension as it was a fighter bay) the Addition of the Megaphasers caused a reduction in overall Warp power available making it slower than other Miranda variants or Soyuz....it also had reduced shield power and this was a result of considerable power being used for the Megaphasers. The third variant was a somewhat downgraded version used as a Patrol ship,it still carried a fighter complement and was well armed but was the fastest and most well shielded of the Soyuz ships.

[@bobavery4263]

Have you read the Star Trek book " Ship of the Line? It is the first time I know of that the "Bozeman" was ever mentioned. And in that book, it was used as a border patrol ship. What you called antennas were weapons....

[@js3599]

Send an Antares variant where they would not necessarily send an Oberth? Have you forgotten where they send those Oberth ships? I got a good laugh at that. Apparently, they send an Antares on missions that Star Fleet actually wants the crew to come home alive, and with the ship intact? Joking aside, I did enjoy this video, just as I have enjoyed your other videos as well. Keep up the good work, and thank you.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Bozeman was a Soyuz Class communications variant of the Miranda Class. Did Captain Bateson start every subspace communication with: "Hello, Alpha Quadrant, I'm listening."

[@EMcKelvyF]

Did the Miranda class not exist pre constitution refit? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing one float around somewhere, might have been a fan ship though.

[@dustinkosman6615]

I have one request for a ship chat video. Now I know you did one on my favorite ship: the Excelsior class, and with that being said, could you do one on my second favorite class: the Sovereign class [you know, like the U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-E)]? A lot of people would want that class of starship talked about. I also realize that you do have a busy recording schedule, but if you could manage to fit that in, it would be great!

[@shanenolan8252]

Cheers

[@cjrecord]

Late to the party, but that Antares variant really makes me think of a proto-Nebula.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Miranda Class is just the Toyota Camry of Starfleet.

[@Palmerrip]

To break it down more: Lantree = Starfleet/civilian recon science ship. Reliant = Heavy Escort/patrolship Saratoga = starfleet/civilian explorer Bosman = Signal Intelligence/Communications ship Antares = Electronic Intelligence/AWACS In DS9 Emissary the captain orders that all torpedo bays be loaded... how? There are no launchers... very curious.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah...

[@adamlytle2615]

When you look at the size of an actual torpedo, the launch tubes on the Miranda Torpedo module are way oversized. Possible to accommodate launching a volley of 4 to 6 torpedoes all at once or something. But to actually launch a single torpedo would only require a small opening, which one could imagine easily concealed somewhere on the hull of the ship, not visible to the viewer.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@adamlytle2615 good point. I'll probably do a video looking at torpedo launchers.

[@adamlytle2615]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 also keep in mind that they are self propelled. Yes, I think the launchers impart some momentum to them, but they can just accelerate all on their own. A bit like the torpedoes as depicted on The Expanse where they kind of just pop out, quickly point themselves towards the target with a few little RCS thruster bursts, then fire their main rocket to accelerate. In a pinch, I think they could even launch torpedoes out of an airlock or cargo bay.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Add the Hippocrates-class (from Starfleet Dynamics and elsewhere) and you have also a dedicated medical variant (with a somewhat extended stern) Plus the Knox-class, as a lighter 'frigate', from Jackill.

[@birdmonster4586]

The Bradford seems to, oddly enough, have Intrepid Impulse engines mounted on the Pylons. I am more in favour of seeing Variants of a class than an entirely new class. I have said this before, but I feel there are too many different classes of Starfleet ships out there. The Excelsior didn't necessarily get "Variants" but it got a good couple Classes that heavily used it's components. Good Old Cygnus X-1 has a couple listed Fanon Variants of the Miranda.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah I'd draw a distinction between variants and derivatives

[@swssm4741]

Are you going to do a factions compared for cruisers?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Quite possibly yes.

[@swssm4741]

Cool

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I think the bradfurd is still a variant since as you said the ship is very modular and not much was changed from the miranda for it to be more than a variant that has changed more than the rest.

[@joshstreet6819]

As the years go by I've started to think the way the Miranda class could be change with different modules for different missions lead to the Nebula class.

[@madrabbit9007]

One thing that bugged me is why were these 100 year old ships running around looking like the day they were launched? They made big structural changes to the Constitutions, why not other ships? I would love to see a Miranda refit to Excelsior or Ambassador standards or an Ambassador to Galaxy. I know the real world answer is money but in universe it just doesn't make sense. Any in universe thoughts on this?

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

You actually have a valid point, Mad Rabbit. See my comment above at the top. There never was a concentrated effort to show the upgrades throughout the eras. The written technical lore for Star Trek is shakey and all over the place, vague and fractured. I want to see something on The Romulan Condor from the FASA games but the older fans never considered it canon. There seems to never have been an attempt to include all starships from every era including non-canon and attempt an actual detailed dossier on them. Sometimes the errors date back to inconsistencies in the 1980s.

[@madrabbit9007]

@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 one of the weird things in Picard season 2 is some of those ships look like they’ve been refit but ST online has them as whole new classes. There’s a Nebula that is stunning but its a Sutherland-class even though it was born a Nebula. (Eye roll).

[@MrRavenBlackwing]

No mention of the Reliant Class that premiered in Season 2 of Picard?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Well that's a new class inspired by the old design.

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

the Saratoga and Antares would be deploy together one to get general sensor data the other to get a profile image of what was being was being scanned and is caught the Antares would fight off the threat while the Saratoga turned and made a retreat with the sensor data from both ships

[@bobbymak6964]

Could you explain how the Mirada Class doesn't need a deflector dish?

[@NicholasRogersMN]

I HAVE BEEN WONDERING THIS FOR YEARS!!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@NicholasRogersMN It may actually have two deflectors. There are two 'nodules' on the upper saucer, one each side of the bridge. Those might be intended to be more phaser cannons, or specialized sensors - but they could still be deflector dishes, instead.

[@davidedens6353]

lol nice Churchill imatation

[@nunya3163]

It always disappointed me that they used the base model for nearly every DS9 fleet battle, rather than using the Reliant variant.

[@hughdahand5711]

Story wise it kind of makes sense that in the DS9 era most of the Miranda class still in service would be the base model. They weren't really front line ships anymore and the majority of them would be used prewar as cargo and transport ships. They were only called to the front lines again out of desperation really.

[@neganrex5693]

@@hughdahand5711 I agree. The Miranda in the 24 century wasn't much more than a gun boat or Starfleet Bird of Pray but it did it's job will and showed it still had a place in Starfleet until the get them replaced with Steam Runners.

[@MadnerKami]

Huh? It was always the Reliant-variant. There's only few where you can't make out the rollbar with launcher. They just never animated photon torpedoes or the "megaphasers" firing.

[@robertwesley9276]

Miranda class is the only class ship to outlast the Excelsior class. In non canon, the Miranda was around even during the TOS era

[@stangundam01]

makes you wonder what the kitbash look would be if the saratoga, soyuze & antrees were put together

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Ultimate miranda!

[@stangundam01]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 have you done a video on the bozeman variant?

[@red.5475]

It always seemed to me, the Bozeman was the 23rd century equivalent of an AWACS. An ELINT platform.

[@warrenreid6109]

I could see a Soyuz class being sent out in deep space dropping communication bouys or acting in the role of a mobile node as a temporary patch in a deep space coms network.

[@SteveBlewett]

The antimatter tankers...also for photon torpedoes. It uses antimatter. Starbases may not have a warp core but how many torpedoes?

[@SerenityNow91]

The Soyuz class attachments are for making tossed salad and scrambled eggs.

[@charleslee8505]

Off-topic have you ever played the tabletop version of star fleet battles with the pen and paper and if so what are your thoughts

[@rebaav]

I'm confused about the "mega phasor" as they didn't seem more powerful than the regular phaser on the Constitution class, as can be seen in ship dual in Wrath of Khan; weren't they just regular phaser turrets mounted on pylons for greater and frankly impressive field of fire?

[@michaelmutranowski123]

he knows about the spice

[@Revkor]

where did you get the idea it's a com cruiser for Soyuz. I saw her as a early defiant idea.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

what makes you say that?

[@Revkor]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 that she is ment for short range operations. guarding bases and such. she has no torps but the things you call sensors are phasers with the same punch as a torp. and that she was too effective at her job is why out of all the Miranada varients it was the only one decomissioned as a type

[@danedudlicek9241]

The Antares sensor is from an Excelsior model kit. It's simply a plastic stand that come with the model so that you had something to rest your model on once it was complete. I know this because a few years ago I bought an old Excelsior kit and to my surprise there was the odd "sensor" of the Antares class!

[@MediumRareOpinions]

That explains the curved profile of the pylon base, it would have fit snug with the excelsior secondary hull I presume?

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

i've always been bigged by the word "megaphaser". its a lazy term. it should be phaser cannon or heavy phaser. also love how ofended you where on the "naked" miranda's behalf. Also, I think the Soyuz class antennas were sensor probes and telescopes rather than or in addition to C3 ability.

[@tsdobbi]

Considering most militaries now are moving to "universal platforms" for armored vehicles and such. I feel like there would be an advantage to that in terms of the star trek universe. Instead of designing whole ships to fulfill a specific purpose. Develop a universal platform, then "plug and play" sections etc. depending on the role the ship is intended to play.

[@Simengie]

I think a better way of discussing sub-variant classes is to look at the current auto industry. Car companies will develop a "platform" car and from that several cars types (think classes) will be built off it. So Miranda is the ship "platform" and all these variants are the different classes that get built. Think the GM F-Body platform which was the platform the RS and SS Camaros as well as the Pontiac Firebird, Formula and Trans-Am cars as being all the classes. I would expect that the Constitution class was a platform and that there were multiple classes. In fact there was if you consider the 3 nacelle dreadnought variant of the Constitution as its own sub-class. It would make no sense to not work like current auto companies. In the US Navy there is the LCS class of ships which is actually the LCS platform with two specific classes under that platform even though both classes share a great deal of design and components. As for how many were Miranda platform ships where built? I would expect in the 23rd century going into the 24th that they may have numbered as high as 50% of the fleet. Again using the US Navy as reference and just how many of specific classes get built. The Miranda platform was solid and as such there is no reason for the design to not last the 150 years it was in production. At no point does it mean that there were 150 year old ships but I suspect there was. Why? The TNG episode with Captain Scott. Geordi, tells Scotty that he would expect that the USS Jenolan would be still in service it was had not been lost at the Dyson sphere. So that is my take on the entire Miranda class/platform issue. I truly believe Miranda was a platform that many classes were built from. I would not be surprised by the idea there was completely civilian versions of the platform.

[@adambulenda9099]

I am sorry but Saratoga variant as per some readings including Ex-Astris Scientia contained prototypes of Defiant pulse phaser arrays!

[@Deepingmind]

A pretty good review minus the "Megaphaser" bit, that made me laugh out loud.

[@james8449100]

In the book ship of the line the boseman if part of the federation border service a direct descendant of the us cost gard so almost a separate service branch it's an explanation

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Interesting although they wear the same uniforms as starfleet in that era.

[@gunny419]

Miranda theory, the first "true" Mirandas were technology test beds for the constitution refits. It did well so starfleet hey let's make a crap load of these. The "proto" Mirandas were made using spare constitution parts in the aftermath of enterprise's encountered with the romulan bird of pray. They filled border patrol roles but considered not worth upgrading to the "true" Miranda standard.

[@swssm4741]

"Put a module on that" Constitution hiding in the corner

[@cliffcampbell8827]

I don't think photon torpedoes are explosive until after they are fired so destroying the torpedo bay if it is a part of the hull or set apart from it really wouldn't cause extra damage from the torpedos pre detonating...because they don't do that.

[@scottkunisch2816]

Tha Antarrs could be a clocked ship hunter.

[@lj462a]

Where did you come up with the communications idea for the Bozeman? I have loved and followed the Avenger class heavy frigate (reliant) and the variants and have never heard that.

[@leelanger1231]

Miranda is the "Crown Vic" of star fleet. As one person put it

[@jefferyyoung2580]

The uss sagorog

[@charlesbard2331]

Perhaps Like the a wax radar jet plane back on Earth during the'70s 80s and '90s....

[@Athrin01]

All variants also made with Explodium, joking aside, Battle Variant Miranda was just a feared as the Constitution class in its hay day, the ship class is canon fodder not because of its age, it is so outdated and outclassed in the 24th century they should have been retired.

[@michaelaldredge-greenwell1692]

The outboard photon torpedo launcher roll bar is utterly dangerous. It takes one or two really well placed hits, and…well…there goes 1/2 your main defense. When it gets blown up (& it WILL), you get all this destruction, & it goes ka-blooey right then and there. Whoopsie!! Sorry about almost destroying your Miranda class ship there…but that outboard torpedo launcher was just ASKING to get hit!! Not our fault it got in the way of our incoming fire. Your fault alone for building such an obviously cheesy & stupid design flaw into the ship. In other words…ANY Miranda Combat variant has an automatic target on it, once it leaves the shipyards.