Shitposting for Buddha- If you are a non-dual Troll YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS video!

[@DominykaSchrei]

I never expected to see "Buddha" and "shitposting" in the same sentence but here we are

[@ultimatemeaning]

Strange world we live in Dominyka! Thanks for sharing ♥

[@DominykaSchrei]

@@ultimatemeaning ❤😊

[@TeruNoir]

I was about to make some mewing/sigma of nepal memes of buddha

[@DrOtto-sx7cp]

😂👍

[@film-vs-flunk]

The duality of man

[@calebdenney6061]

My algorithm is unmatched

[@ultimatemeaning]

I guess KZbin threw you a curveball to Tibetan Buddhism? 😆🤣😆

[@foundingfarther]

All praise the sample test!

[@shadowyi3264]

LMAO

[@auroraborealis13579]

Blessed! ❤

[@sun.sneezer]

we out here

[@GoodJob7117]

Neo Teachings of Buddha: 1 life is suffering 2 the cause of the suffering is shitposting 3 the end of suffering comes with the end of shitposting

[@Nazgarn]

but will that end life as life is suffering? 🤔

[@zombiedoggie2732]

But what if your Shi posting is one that brings laughter, instead of despair?

[@GoodJob7117]

@@zombiedoggie2732 itis the essence of duality, young padawan : if there is laughter, there is despare, therefore only complete seizure of shiptosting altogether can end suffering

[@horse433]

Was that in matrix reloaded?

[@erikred8217]

Exactly. well done. this is pure garbage and everything wrong with religion in all of it's forms and times.

[@ratronald]

legendary algorithm pull, s-tier algorithm pull, having this video in your algorithm speaks positively on you as a person

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hey Ronald thanks for the vote of confidence and for standing up for what you believe in! ♥♥♥

[@virtualenvironmentfellowsh6671]

😮🤔 Non dual troll?

[@LaetareIerusalem]

Yeah, I am happy, lucky to have a positive starting page with this video brought to me by algorithm.

[@MrCmon113]

Nah, it means I was nondual trolling so hard that the youtube algorithm caught me.

[@timecarpet]

​@@MrCmon113 oh no

[@gbyjrjn]

Shitposting more often refers to a low-quality attention bait, not necessarily offensive. But I must admit, seeing a monk delving into the clash of the buddhism and modern internet language and culture is VERY entertaining.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I am here for entertainment purposes as well, laughing or crying! 😆🤣😆

[@isaacburrows8405]

Is samsara just one giant shit-post?

[@vaelxn]

​@@ultimatemeaning also the definitions you mentioned in another comment are quite different from the original meaning. especially when it comes to trolling. originally troll was a verb, referring to troll fishing, where a forum user would make a provocative post as bait, often a wild unbased claim, to see who would believe it. some were repeated. it was more like an inside joke amongst forum regulars and typically only new or gullible users would fall for it, and sometimes a regular might back up OP's post. it was at someone's expense, but it was more of a joke made in good fun, kind of like how employees like to mess with the new guy. it wasn't malicious like modern trolls which were associated with the troll creature, that just aim to be offensive and edgy

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

​@@isaacburrows8405 life is a giant shitpost

[@wfmacmillan]

@@isaacburrows8405yes

[@unholycrusader69]

The video title feels like a fever dream. Peak content, pure enlightenmentmaxxxing, totally Buddhapilled. Bless your soul

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks friend for your words of encouragement! ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@margusiraptor9729]

Pilled, maxxing, and a Patrick Bateman profile picture. You're truly a product of shit posting 😂😂

[@1hitwoon99]

lol

[@PrypeciowyHovnozer]

fr fr bruh

[@hardboiled2987]

I am based and peacepilled

[@drany6707]

"Shitposting for Buddha" is one of the funniest phrases I've seen in a long time, especially coupled with your very serious monk face

[@ultimatemeaning]

In person I am not such a serious monk ♥

[@djamalyoutube230]

And that's duality.

[@ArtSio443]

​@@djamalyoutube230 the duality of le Trollface

[@djamalyoutube230]

@@ArtSio443 🤣🤣

[@Terra101]

@@ultimatemeaning Seriousness kills.

[@Imakittymoo1337]

Buddha says: "Don't feed the trolls.".

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 Stop you're making my ribs hurt! 😆🤣😆

[@Despotic_Waffle]

Seems like something he would say

[@iamtheiamweareallone]

Trolls need love to , feed them.

[@BeavisandButthead-z8h]

Espen Askeladden(Adventures from Asbjoernsen & Moe oral adventrues told through generations) agrees with Buddha for sure and he found an alternative way, he had a speed eating contest with it until the troll exploded (some cheating was involved). He also landed an impossible princess with stuff he found on the pavement and buildt a flying boat like in Epic of Gilgamesh, instead of animals he picked up weirdos (Stone eaters, weaklings etc).We need to bring back the magic to the world.

[@AumHeartS]

​@@iamtheiamweareallonehow you can feed love to someone who doesn't know one. how to nullify their ego so that they could see only purity

[@ColonelCannabis]

It’s a confusing world we live in. One week ago I was an American atheist watching this recommended video and I was moved enough to listen to more, where I watched interviews with monks. Then I started listening to intro Buddhist podcasts all day at work for a few days, up to today when I contacted my local Vajrayana temple to try to connect with a teacher, volunteer and perhaps learn enough to take refuge. Exciting and scary times, I thank you for your part in it.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks Colonel for sharing your story, and welcome to the path 🙏🙏🙏

[@Baronnax]

You can still remain an American atheist through this journey. Buddhism doesn't negate your Americanism, nor does it compel you to believe in the existence of God with a capital G.

[@ColonelCannabis]

@@Baronnax very true you make a good point. It’s certainly been a turning point in life the past month. Truthfully I had been receptive to Buddhism because of that fact. I have always had a very difficult time conceptualizing a higher power. Unfortunately for me since I like in the state of Maine there aren’t any local teachers for me so I’ve been learning from books and attending Sunday group meditation at a small temple. I’m also hoping this winter to be able to afford to retreat to blue cliff monastery in New York.

[@Baronnax]

@@ColonelCannabis all the best bro. Hope it all helps you on your journey.

[@bhante1345]

Visit your local Eastern Orthodox Church. Their liturgical services go deep. Vipassana is cool and all, but it's a long and cold road, if that's what you're in to. The Kagyu Lineage is if you want to meditate and still party. Either way, don't go too hard on yourself.

[@joatanpereira4272]

I swear Buddhist monks have the most calming voices I've ever heard

[@ultimatemeaning]

🤍♥🤍

[@SkullpunkArt]

Ikr? They’re great

[@TheLuftpolsterfolie]

That's part of the job 😂

[@bhante1345]

That's just the xannies doing their work.

[@kenjones102]

I'm so old that I remember when trolls only lived under bridges.

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 That's just what I thought! 😆🤣😆

[@ananda_miaoyin]

Especially train bridges. Stay away from those.

[@MichaelMarko]

Hey guys. I had one under my bed when I was a kid, but he was originally from under a bridge and went back when I learned everything he could teach me. Sometimes we text.

[@Michael-uu5jh]

im so old i figth against ther :P

[@heylooka]

I'm not so old that I remember when trolls were their true mythological nature of Jötunns in caves

[@kenzierlemmons6898]

I had an ego death experience in January. It was very much an "under the Bodhi Tree" experience (you can thank my therapist for that phrase). I felt non-dualism. I didn't even know that's what it was until some time later. I just felt as though there was nothing between me and the world and that everything touches everything. In the days that followed, things got tougher. I thought to myself, "I can't live in society anymore. I need to find a temple to live in far away from all of this pain and suffering and dysfunction around me." But I decided to stay in the world and live an embodied life. The months that followed were challenging. Even though I had experienced non-dualism so very clearly, I was living in a dualistic world and everyone around me was unsettled by me. Eventually they became quite upset with me. I experienced a lot of meanness and selfishness from people I believed cared about me. In response, I felt myself becoming bitter and angry at times -- mechanisms my brain was using to protect my newborn baby ego. It took about six months, but I finally found some balance with living an embodied life in regular society. I also now very much understand how someone like Alan Watts could seem to understand so much about these concepts and yet also die from alcoholism. Living an embodied life amongst people is extremely challenging. If you live amongst those who are still staunchly dualistic in their manner and way of being -- and they far and away outnumber you -- then you must play on this chessboard in some measure. I still experience anger, fear, anxiety, interpersonal upset, get involved in egoic concerns -- things that had seemingly disappeared for a short while. But attempting to hold onto "pure" non-dualism while living in a dualistic world was a fool's errand. I realized this profound ego death experience was just another thing that I needed to let go of -- that if I held to it too tightly, it actually caused me more suffering. Since then, while I do experience negative emotions and have egoic concerns, they pass through me much faster. I have learned nothing is to be kept. To let joy and pleasure and happiness and pain and frustration and fear linger only as long as is required for me to learn from them and then to let them go. This is how I have learned to experience non-dualism while living in a dualistic world. I hope this helps anyone who may be struggling to find balance. I could have slipped into spiritual bypass. Many do. But I had a good spiritual teacher in my therapist to guide me through this period of intense psychological rebirth.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for sharing your story friend ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@Thuja814]

It was under the sycamore tree, the sun stopped shining for me -Lady Saw 😉

[@brunowilliam6140]

thank you, i was really in need of that :)

[@jnm92]

As the old Zen koan goes: - “What is the meaning of life?” “Chopping wood, carrying water”

[@jnm92]

“Live neither in the entanglements of outer things, nor in inner feelings of emptiness. Be serene in the oneness of things and such erroneous views will disappear by themselves. When you try to stop activity by passivity your very effort fills you with activity. As long as you remain in one extreme or the other you will never know Oneness” 3rd Chinese Zen patriarch

[@howtodisapear979]

"You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by your anger." Pali Canon (I previously believed it was Buddha)

[@darealdovahkiin3652]

Wow Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Nice quote friend, thanks for sharing!

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@darealdovahkiin3652 🤍♥🤍

[@epajarjestys9981]

@@ultimatemeaning fake quote

[@howtodisapear979]

@@ultimatemeaning thank you. Your video was very interesting. I've watched trolling videos in the past as a Buddhist and I never stopped to think how unethical they are.

[@Maki-Macchiato]

Not all shitposting is intended to make people upset. Others "shitpost" nonsensical jokes to share laughter lol

[@measlesplease1266]

Cope.

[@MyhumpsmylovelymanlumpsMyhumps]

truth

[@ultimatemeaning]

Sorry Mark I am new to the term I was going by my own experience and the Dictionary definition: "the activity of posting deliberately provocative or off-topic comments on social media, typically in order to upset others or distract from the main conversation." ♥

[@ForbiddenCatBelly]

@@ultimatemeaningcopesplaining right here I kid

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@ForbiddenCatBelly Yo! CatBelly

[@sellanraa]

When I first clicked on this video, for some reason the audio on my phone was not loading and I thought this video was 7:51 min of this guy mouthing words with no sound. I thought I just got trolled by a Buddhist. HAHA

[@ultimatemeaning]

That's so funny. I might just do a video like that on purpose! 😆🤣😆

[@alvarobelevan]

​@@ultimatemeaningPLEASE

[@corporalbuddhasupreme5272]

The teacher has come down off the mountain and into the marketplace.

[@ultimatemeaning]

and doing a lot of shopping to make up for lost time 😆🤣😆

[@ZenCarry]

I can recall a time when teachers came from all walks of life.

[@corporalbuddhasupreme5272]

@@ultimatemeaning 😂

[@isaacakers9347]

@@ZenCarry They still do, if you can see them for what they are.

[@ricochetsixtyten]

First the satori, then the trolling.

[@colbymay6044]

Why does KZbin algorithm gotta call me out like this? It’s hurt. Growing up in a dualist tradition tormented my mind from a very young age. When I found relief in non-duality, I felt anger towards my upbringing for never bringing me peace. I rationalize it by saying I’m attacking ignorance, but the reality is I’m only attacking myself. Thank you for the message.

[@ultimatemeaning]

yeah I know right the algorithm is very cheeky sometimes! ♥🤍💙

[@arete7884]

​@@ultimatemeaningHi, you are probably getting overwhelmed with questions and posts and this may not be best place for discourse. But in case you see this i wanted to ask. I heard a guru say if a person is an asshole and becomes enlightened hes still an asshole. The initial enlightenment doesnt remove the karma or clear the personality of impurities but still makes the person self realized in nonduality. Early in life i had a spontaneous awakening experience of the underlying self in everything and non dual separation to everything with a period of bliss, presence, peace, connection and compassion. But it did not dissolve my karmas or clear all negativity from me after a period of time passes bliss stopped and entered into dark night of soul experience for a while so much karma and negativity came to surface and malevelent entities attached to it to provoke and stroke anger and negativity more to get back at people for injustices experienced... According to advaita vedanta only after death does an enlightened one clear karmas. I realize there are higher stages of enlightenment filled with more bliss, love and peace permanently, filled with shakti energy as some say. I been initiated into shaktipat kundalininawakening recently and may continue down this path, but as for my initial awakening and experience of unity consciousness altho it did make me realize non duality in everything it did not clear all negativity and personality impurities

[@patrickbertlein4626]

Oh come on if you grew up in a Eastern society you would have your own crap that was just a different story. Romanticizing non-duality is just being silly.

[@colbymay6044]

@@patrickbertlein4626 I’m not sure what romanticizing you think is being done. Non-dualism brought me peace where I previously did not know it. But it is not a pass for an easy life. It is not even a guarantee for a better life. It has given me peace. That is all that is undeniable.

[@Arkia-c3z]

​I thought self realization is supposed to be permanent. If your brain has now convinced that you are not there then how could it still experience dark nights if it true knows that there is no one there. Or maybe it was just a phase not the actual non dual realization? *Truely ​@@arete7884

[@CyberHermit92]

how the hell am I supposed to see this title and just not click on it?

[@A-ol9jn]

I was so confused and intrigued by the title I couldn’t help but click About a minute in and I already love what you’re saying

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi friend, pleased to meet you. While I am trying to get your attention the title isn't just click bait. Glad that resonates with you 🤍

[@badhabits1965]

Socrates would be called a troll today for telling egoists the truth. You are right that true trolls are people who go out of their way to cause problems, but it's been my experience that anyone who pokes the cognitive dissonance of ignorant people gets called a troll by the ignorant people. Very often the person being accused of being a troll is actually the more spiritually enlightened one acting in good faith, and the other person can't handle it. But you are right about what you say, too.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for that clarification, sadly I am not versed in the subtle differences between the various types of trolls, but here I am generalising those with malicious intent to cause trouble out of their own unhappiness. It is also part of the Buddhist tradition to debate and use criticism to clarify understanding (something that requires skill and learning). thanks for sharing! 🙏🙏🙏

[@Bleilock1]

Honestly this is what is happening to me It also doesnt help that im an autist... My best friend jokingly calls me socrates when i burst the cognitive dissonance bubbles and get people angry at me... he just roars with laughter when it happens lol

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@Bleilock1 its a difficult call, because other's anger is a great harm to them. Thanks for sharing your story 🙏🙏🙏

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

@Bleilock1 this also raises the question: if the style of your questioning or criticism leads to that kind of reaction, what have you achieved? Could the same message not be worded in such a way that people do feel like they want to take your point seriously? (Not saying I'm not guilty myself, by the way 😅)

[@gwilymyddraig]

@@ultimatemeaning MAGA are unable to learn because learning requires us to disassemble the boxes of pretaught or learned behaviours. They get uncomfortable in this state because it goes against everything they are comfortable with.

[@franciasii2435]

Came for the title, came to the message. Much love. ❤

[@EndChineseGenocide]

Yoooo it's roach dog jr

[@imikokodama3054]

Hahaha! This is great. I’m so glad to see persons that walk the path of dharma addressing contemporary social issues. Much love and respect to you.

[@imikokodama3054]

Your mala looks like Tiger’s Eye. Am I correct? I see you engaging with your audience, it is refreshing and I can tell how sincere you are about the things that you care about. I will remember you, as I go forward. I will try to be my very best. I’m glad that I discovered your existence.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi IMI. I am very much trying to communicate with people like you in an attempt to clarify the spiritual path in a contemporary way that is accessible but not corrupted. Thanks for your vote of confidence. It helps 🙏🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@imikokodama3054 It is Bodhi Seed the best all round substance for a mala. That means it can be used for all different types of mantra practice like, wrathful, peaceful, magnetizing, etc. ...

[@Kristy_Jo]

Came for the curse word stayed for the lesson!! Thank you!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you Kristy and its a difficult call, because some will not appreciate my profanity, but I want to address some rather raw issues that are none the less directly related to the spiritual path 🙏🙏🙏

[@armchairgaming3918]

You talk about not having achieved genuine compassion, but I see in your face a deep serenity that I don't see very often. Good video! Enjoyed watching you talk on this internet topic, and I hope to see more of you in the future

[@youareabuddha]

I too am guilty of being a spiritual troll on several occasions. I recognized how my comments had the potential to cause suffering mere moments after posting. I felt that I had to correct people in their understanding. I realized how foolish and arrogant I had been. I still catch myself identifying with ego daily. I do not judge myself when it happens, instead I acknowledge it, understand why it happened, then let it go. Dropping the ego is truly a hero's journey.

[@lukesutton4135]

😂 how dare we help other people, that would be egotistical. Not sure if buddists realize how silly and hypocritical they sound to everyone else when they say that but someone should enlighten them.

[@5ur3nh0hn]

I don't think "dropping the ego" alltogether makes sense. Acknowledge it as the tool that it is but do not identify with it. The carpenter doesnt identify with his hammer, but dropped uncarefully it may cause harm :D (I dont really know if this makes any sense anywhere thats not my persepective, but i i kinda like that picture)

[@ultimatemeaning]

In general then we need to correct ourselves first, but having said that the dharma is all about recognising our faults and so teachers talk about the negative aspects of Samsara. In general if you are truly well motivated then things should work out all right ♥

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@5ur3nh0hn Another question is "Is there such a thing as an ego to be dropped" maybe its just provisional?

[@LeahIsHereNow]

I realized I’m often looking for an argument (or “opportunity to correct someone” - gotta love euphemisms!) and then wonder why people are antagonistic and bossy towards me. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@OpenSourceAnarchist]

I really needed this ego check. It's all out of fear and self-judgement. Thank you, metta!

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for sharing your inner feelings friend, that takes courage🙏🙏🙏

[@cincrow1309]

Thank you for this. I'm grateful i was shown this tonight before bed, it'll give me guidance going forward in these rough times.

[@michaelrainbow4203]

In my darkest years (all of my 20s) I said terrible things to people. I was a rather hateful person, but only because I didn't know how to love. It was all an expression of misery, and of course such expression makes the continuation of misery inevitable.

[@DavidAKZ]

The hardest thing is to love yourself and that way begin to experience compasion for others. imho you do not have to these beings, but you can experience compassion and equanumity as a result of loving yourself. Much love. ❤

[@Ludifant]

This is a wisdom you gained by suffering. Propagating suffering is not inevitable, wisdom, mindfulnes are the cure. Persevere. 🙏

[@DavidAKZ]

like.

[@ultimatemeaning]

That you are aware of this is a sign that you are making spiritual progress friend❤

[@Pr0vidence555]

being in the 20s sucks ass

[@Gentlendy]

Shitposting can be a very spiritually fulfilling activity, at the core of it is just a want of getting a laugh out of people (kinda fits into what you said about altruism) tho theres def a fair few bad apples who also label their stuff as shitposting I shitpost because others shitposting is what stopped me from feeling like shit and hopefully I can do the same

[@ultimatemeaning]

I think I am referring to the angry and bitter ones 🤍♥🤍

[@momoz1]

I think he’s referring to rage bait

[@StarboyXL9]

@@ultimatemeaning anger and bitterness is hardly shitposting in the original sense of the word. The original use of the word came from a bunch of mischief-makers on 4chan posting "low quality" nonsense posts on the (then limited) boards. The original users, who were very obsessive and heavily immersed in discussing only what they believed mattered and staying strictly on topic, were furious. Thus it became a sort of pseudo-war with the Originals trying to drown out the shitposts with "quality" threads while the shitposters intensified their "signal jamming." Eventually, the Shitposters won, and the Originals conceded that yes, shitposting was actually pretty funny and yes, ultimately everything that exists is related to everything else, so being "off topic" on a recreational forum that adheres to Freedom of Speech principles is a nonsensical proposition in the first place. As a result, the 4chan of digital legend was born, and went on to troll and shitpost, both online and irl, to great effect, effectively dabbing on the normies. However, as a result of modern Progressive ideology demonizing anything that rebels against its authority, "shitposting" became demonized and seen as a "harmful" activity. As a result some genuinely bitter and wrathful ones just went around posting their actual opinions and calling it shitposting (but any true shitposter can recognize the sincerity in their post in a minute, as its a different spirit behind it) when in fact real shitposting was and still is being the embodiment of the "Jester god" common to many mythologies: you're causing trouble, stirring up a bit of strife, and getting up to mischief, but in the end you're really just expanding people's horizons and opening them up to new thoughts, ideas, and ways of seeing the world through the perfect combination of humor and suffering. Humor is the cake, the suffering is the frosting. As an aside, we have archaeological evidence of shitposters in the Roman Empire. It was apparently somewhat common behaviour to scrawl meaningless posts and inside jokes onto hidden parts of stone walls back then, exactly the ancient equivalent of modern shitposting, especially in its early days. Shitposters build empires because they're bored, and shitpost to inspire others to higher levels of understanding.

[@martyrsaint]

A friend sent this to me and we had a good laugh at the time but I decided to give it a watch now. Genuinely interesting, thank you for your unique perspective on something I typically never really thought about until now.

[@danequeed8551]

Proverbs 15:1 (NIV): "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." Dhammapada 223: "Overcome anger by non-anger; overcome evil by good. Overcome the miser by giving; overcome the liar by truth." 2 quotes I reccomend every service industry worker keep in mind when dealing with customer complaints.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thanks for sharing the proverb 🤍♥🤍

[@lordvoldamort4606]

@@ultimatemeaning I honestly feel that holy write should be expanded. Take the best of all the holy writs. Throw out the rest.

[@Gun4Freedom]

@@lordvoldamort4606 That's literally what has been done for every well known holy book throughout history, and you see what that has gotten humanity. Just look at all the texts of the Mahabharata and the taboos regarding caste and sexuality. See how the division took root and grew between Islam and Judaism when the old testament was not included in the Quran. Both cultures call Abraham their ancestor, yet today they kill, kidnap, and torture each other without cessation. Pay a visit to the Vatican archives and see the texts not included in the Bible (no, don't bother, it's not allowed for lay people to read the texts in the basement). Take an examination of the First Council of Nicaea, and the punishments and suffering doled out to those who thought differently of Christ's words. It was the desire of holiness and preferential interpretation that led directly to inquisitions, executions, and torture. How could you or any group of people look through all holy writings from all authors and precisely determine which odes to which deities for which subjects should be considered best? How would you throw the ones you don't like away? What would you do to compensate for linguistic drift and new terms in all languages?

[@mandragon8108]

Well, actually it's egotism, not materialism. There are some people (especially monks and priests) attached to poverty. They somehow think that material stuff is not spiritual. In the end, there is no difference between what the ego is attached to, money or poverty. All attachments have to go; even the holy ones. But I like the ALIBABA finish. Splendid. I feel honored. 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yes you are correct. If you watch the video (this is just an intro) the statement is that the root of all Kleshas is ego clinging (AKA dualism) 🙏🙏🙏

[@mandragon8108]

​@@ultimatemeaning Nice. Wouldn't miss it even if someone offered me a $100 Alibaba gift card to skip it. 😘

[@user-vu1lb6qb3z]

Shearing the differences between belief,faith trust and absolute truth is a length. Some thing is worthy of hatred, overcoming being ultristic. Everyday be good, Unless troll has too many thieves. Interlectual ones. When the idea is eaten, crossing the bridge between truth and trust it can have 1,000 fold effect on the holder of innocence. Turtles looking for Splinter.

[@jonmustang]

That’s a good insight! Attachment to wealth, attachment to poverty are both attachment to money. Attachment to sex and attachment to celibacy are both attachment too, then. Attachment to relationships and attachment to solitude, both anre attachment. Really valuable insight! Seems to me the only logical thing is to accept the unfolding of one’s life with equanimity. Accept the changes in wealth, changes in health, changes in status, changes in relationship, etc. the best we can.

[@mandragon8108]

​@@jonmustang Yes, until we train ourselves to be peaceful there will be things in our reality that point us to where we have to work on ourselves. That's why it's valuable to have an experience of the worldly life; here we can measure how holy we are. It's easy to fool oneself in the monastery. That's why there's a joke, when you think you've got enlightened go visit your family. 🤣

[@LightskinLordandSaviour]

the algorithm has decided that my personal growth can be benefited from this channel. Thank you sir

[@juanitoviejo2121]

I really appreciate your direct and clear speech. And thanks for the opportunity to present in comments my two principles of human delusion: 1. I want what I want and I want it now ! 2. If you would only change, I could be happy.

[@CashCreep]

If you would only change, I could be happy. based

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 1. very poignant 2. even more poignant! 😆🤣😆

[@earthwindfireable]

We're living in times where people will kick you when you're down instead of helping you up.

[@ultimatemeaning]

But the tide is changing i t seems. There are more people thinking about raising others up than beating them down

[@horse433]

@@ultimatemeaningNo, I’m being real. Not trolling, you have been away for 2 years. You will be disappointed constantly. Wickedness we can’t imagine. Accept it or else you will become a doomer. The frog is the frog and the scorpion is a scrooion 🙏 🙏

[@Blintedhaa]

We’re making it out of /x/ with this one!

[@the_Fisher_King]

Never ‼️‼️‼️

[@StarboyXL9]

NEVER TAKING THE MEDS!

[@asloii_1749]

In my spiritual endeavors I’ve learned that I am a lot more egotistical than I thought I was

[@ultimatemeaning]

How wonderful, you are obviously making great progress! 🙏

[@lukesutton4135]

You have to have some sense of ego or you would not willfully live, the human condition is parasitic. Any belief that attempts to make you doubt reality isn't a good belief to have or spread.

[@freetibet1000]

That’s great! That means you’re learning something about yourself and being honest about it. That’s the way forward, my friend. You’re expressing the opposite of a “spiritual troll” in that sense. Try to notice if your experience is constant or if it is fluctuating? Remember, it is neither good nor bad. Just the way it is right now! Good luck in your practice. 🙏🙏🙏

[@JorisWeima]

Hehehe that probably goes for every single seeker! IF they get far enough along the Path, that is.

[@boobieshitthefloor]

Such musings are themselves inherently egotistical

[@Baysunrise]

I’m guilty, I cannot lie.

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆

[@sheazoom]

Well actually - its not you shitposting, but all of us.

[@sheazoom]

or even better, its just me

[@Baysunrise]

@@sheazoom I was looking for that easy chair.

[@Venessa03-m2c]

Guilty about what

[@stardreamar1949]

Teacher, my mind is numb, and I feel like I had drifted from my old ways. What should I do? Everything falls out of my hands nowadays...

[@ultimatemeaning]

Numbness or dullness is often caused by meditative absorption where there is little clarity. Do you sit a lot? If it isn't a consequence of practice then it could be a sign of depression. If you are a practitioner then reciting Dharanis (long mantras can help) also reciting the Heart Sutra, or the 3 Baskets sutra (names of the Buddhas). If you are not a practitioner then in worldly terms there are many techniques for reset, from cold water plunging to micro dosing. It is really difficult to give a general remedy without knowing more about your situation, but these are just a few ideas that came to mind. Keep well, be at peace ♥🧡♥

[@stardreamar1949]

​@ultimatemeaning yes, wise man, I do sit a lot. Maybe this is a consequence of my lifestyle or maybe this is the source of my hardships and ordeals... Can it be both ways at the same time?

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@stardreamar1949 So in absorption (Samadhi) there are increased levels of dopamine, anandamide, serotonin, and after prolonged periods of this one can experience a shutting down of the frontal lobes. Along with this is a sense of no self and insensitivity. This can cause a condition known as Acedia, or the malady of monks. It is a kind of nihilistic apathy. the trick is to retain your clarity when you enter Samadhi and not to fall into this kind of perceptionless stupor. And of course as you say the same can happen through lifestyle, for example people you get addicted to sexual coitus can experience something similar, or after prolonged binges

[@mipsungvuclam]

I’m not so sure about engaging in “non-dual” trolling, but I realize that I sometimes allow myself to be pulled into acting upon my desire to trigger others by confronting their beliefs that seem ridiculous to me. Fortunately it doesn’t happen often, but when it does I can feel the emotions becoming stronger and I know that what I am doing isn’t actually helping anyone. I trust that I am getting further away from that part of me and that the link will break! What a great topic!🙏🏼

[@AmericanValues1776]

This is why we are here, no? Iron sharpens iron and kudos on your creativity. I invite the triggers as they are great teachers.

[@CornFedZ06]

You are light years ahead of 99% of society.

[@mipsungvuclam]

@@CornFedZ06 Wow! Thank you so much for that comment! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@mipsungvuclam]

@@AmericanValues1776 So true, yes? They are like approaching mirrors 🪞

[@Ludifant]

It could be interesting to observe this mindfully to speed up this proces and see where this desire originates. The insight can promote emotional freedom. 🙏

[@moopius]

There isn't a day that goes by without me wishing I were a better person. Free from anger, judgement and impatience. I seem stuck between being authentic and acknowledging my reactions to the world, and feeling phoney pretending to be otherwise. I wish my heart were light and free from attachments and old habits totally surrendered to the source of my being.

[@ultimatemeaning]

The interesting thing is "you are a better person" you just haven't realised it yet 🤍♥🤍

[@ArkDoggo]

I came home, plugged my phone in and opened youtube, and the first thing I saw was this video. I have truly been blessed 🙏

[@hansenmarc]

The most common variety of spiritual trolls I run across are “nondual police”. Jeff Foster has a great video that portrays the difficulties of trying to have a conversation with one. It’s called: The Advaita Trap 1: Absolute and Relative Confusion - The Cartoon

[@ultimatemeaning]

That's hilarious, thanks for sharing 🙏

[@ISHALLPREVAIL_]

Be careful calling people challenging social norms and society to grow as a "spiritual troll". Religous wars bring about questions, such as Christopher Hitchens who wrote books and had college debates. All these new terms that are not real words or terms only feed the leftist paradigm that masquerades as liberalists when they are really just communists. If someone identifies as spiritual who is anyone to tell them any different? Lets not be hypocrites. Anyone can just as easily call anyone else a spiritual troll or a misled individual based on them simply being sensitive. In reality the Pope himself with all his ties to corruption can be called a spiritual troll and yet he has millions of followers. Do You not see that? Or maybe you are not learned enough or maybe you are too sensitive or maybe or maybe or maybe not open minded enough or maybe or maybe _--... you see? What upsets you is just your teacher --_ ... hmmm rhetorical. Let me make this clearer, i am trying to make you think, i am not a "troll". Thank you💯

[@ISHALLPREVAIL_]

Hopefully people domt start book burning and going against 1st amendment because of new statements and made up terms and labels such as "spiritual troll" -_-

[@nathanielcallen3965]

@@ISHALLPREVAIL_ That would be a very dualistic thing to do 🙃

[@nexusobserve]

very emotionally challenging day today for me, this lifted my spirits. thank you, may we all diamond body together.

[@ultimatemeaning]

🤍♥🤍

[@TrigramHealing]

when you said "hater" and "shitposter" it came from such a deep level, I understood you have much more cleansing to do

[@priyanshukamble2780]

I am a Buddhist and im gonna edge to dis tonight!💯💯🗣

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆

[@bryanphillips8143]

Trolling has its purposes. Narratives should be challenged.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah I wasn't really questioning that aspect of it, but the only people I've encountered are just venting their anger and not really trying to do anything positive

[@SiriProject]

Nothing has purpose, there is only Shuniata and process

[@marksmandrilla7057]

@@ultimatemeaningcan’t be that good of a Monk if online trolls are getting to you 😂

[@liber_mundi]

Every good story needs an antagonist to kickstart it.

[@ashtray0belief]

@@marksmandrilla7057 Being able to recognise that someone is trying to upset you, and that someone actually managing to get to you, are two different things.

[@mikerotch5440]

Thank you for sharing this, I needed to hear it. I am wondering where I could learn more about non-duality, it's a fascinating concept.

[@ultimatemeaning]

There are two avenues, the most common in the West is the Advaita Vedanta, and there are many authentic teachers online, but also quite a few dead ends. Here is an interview I did on the topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jamVf6SMaLurpMksi=-Lx7eWgdw3NanYHE Then there is the path of the other empty school of Tibetan Buddhism. This is a less know path of non dualism, but still there are many authentic Tibetan teacher. Also a few negative ones so look out. You can contact me at one of the links on the home page if you want more specific advice. 🙏🙏🙏

[@humancent1pedex]

this video caught me at the perfect time. thank you for the reminder. peace and love.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Peace and love friend ☮♥

[@FraterABYA]

Any time I see so called spiritual teachers who are cursing, harsh, vindictive, gossiping and so on, I just think, "what on earth are THEY doing "teaching" anything?" That's not someone to aspire to be. That's not a good example. You don't even need a book or another person to tell you that's not right. You know in your heart it isn't.

[@ultimatemeaning]

You are so right my friend vindictive behaviour is a sing of lack of spiritual progress, but having said that most spiritual teachers these days are just ordinary people with ordinary faults. But of course they should do their best not to display animosity. Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@1000REMBOY]

I'm no guru but a famous guy once said "let he who had not sinned cast the first stone".

[@FraterABYA]

@@1000REMBOY Not sure if that's the proper context for this. I am not trying to teach. I don't claim to be a teacher. I am saying that you need to be pure yourself to teach about purity.

[@nc956]

​@@FraterABYA This quote from bible is not about people who try to teach. It is about people who try to judge.

[@FraterABYA]

@@nc956 You say that as if you are capable of non-judgement. News flash, nobody is. Your thoughts are not neutral, and you and every living thing judges, and indeed must judge. That verse is more about checking your own nature before checking the nature of others.

[@andrewevenson2657]

When I see a video like this pop up on my home page, I immediately wonder, “is this a serious video or a joke video?” And that should speak volumes about the state of online content. I am not spiritual, so I cannot speak on that perspective of things, but I am very familiar with online culture and have some things that are noteworthy. Firstly, shitposting is not necessarily negative. A shitpost is effectively content people make for the internet that is intentionally nonsensical, but nonsense isn’t explicitly malicious. In fact, many people find great joy in these nonsense posts (including myself occasionally). That does not mean there are no malicious shitposts, I’m just pointing out they are not inherently a negative thing. It’s more so just a new age form of artistic expression, and the intention of that art is decided by the artist, be it positive or negative. Secondly, trolls are usually people who take pleasure from upsetting other people, but the act of trolling can also be a tool that people use to entertain each other. Compare it to teasing. I grew up in a family where my parents teased me and made fun of me, but in an endearing way, and now as an adult I am able to laugh at myself and not feel self conscious or worry about being teased. However, this is a social group type phenomenon, so if you are not in that social group where trolling is harmless, then it could hurt people, just as teasing people who did not experience teasing positively could hurt people. Long story short, while I would say most trolls are probably finding enjoyment in other people’s anger, it depends on both their intentions and the community in which they are trolling. It’s never wise to write off an entire group of people as being the same, especially when you are saying something negative about the group. As for haters, I’m not sure there is any positivity there. The most I can say about haters is that the term is often used by insecure people as a coping mechanism for legitimate criticism. A genuine hater is someone who just hates someone unconditionally, so they are bad, but when people use that term I think more often than not, they have problems in themselves they are not willing to face, and the hater label is how they discredit people offering constructive criticism. Realistically, if you do not have some level of fame, it is unlikely for people to hate you unconditionally. If you are just a normal person, people who dislike you may have valid reasons, and you should self reflect and find out if you need to change. On the internet, their “legitimate reason” may be that you have a different opinion than them. It is obviously ridiculous to hate someone because their opinion differs, but that is the state of internet debate at this point. If I reply to someone’s comment in a comment section, and respectfully disagree with them, one of two things will happen. Everyone will say mean and awful things to me, sometimes personally attacking me, or people will agree with me and say mean and awful things to the person whom I was respectful towards. I do not allow what they say to bother me, but it is a very malicious way of communicating, and I suppose those people could be labeled as haters in the sense that they are spreading hate. When people usually use the term though, a hater is someone who almost obsessively hates a single individual. Someone who seeks out interactions with someone they hate, so that they can continue to spread that hate towards them. I think people often forget, even with adults alive who are younger than the internet, the internet is still in its infancy. It has been wildly accessible for only 20ish years. Theoretically, if I remember correctly, it takes about 10,000 years for humans to fully adapt to their environment. For perspective, the oldest known mirror is 8,000 years old, and so we are not even fully adapted to seeing a clear reflection of ourselves, let alone adapted to any of the incredible technology that exists today. We are using this technology with a mind that is still adapted to primitive tools and environments. Technology will not stop either. We will never adapt, unless there is a technology ceiling, and I’m doubtful there is, or if there is, we will not reach it. This was a good video and I thank you for sharing your perspective. I hope this comment gives you a broader perspective. I’m sure there is more internet culture and terminology you have yet to explore, and maybe when you explore them, you’ll be inclined to make another video!

[@stanista]

This was the fastest subscribe I've hit based on a random recommendation. Your message is reaching people! Thank you for creating content

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you friend that make the effort worthwhile 🙏🙏🙏

[@sugarfree1894]

I get them on my other channel all the time. "Who is meditating????? Dear?" My answer - "I am. I do not exploit the wisdom of nonduality to absolve myself of responsibility." They never come back :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

I like your answer! Yes, we must take personal responsibility

[@nathanielcallen3965]

Love this response

[@Neo1234567890111]

Isn't it better to answer that: No one is meditating?

[@sugarfree1894]

@@Neo1234567890111 No, not in my case, as I have not attained liberation, nor have I transcended relative reality.

[@Venessa03-m2c]

Taking responsibility is a human thing. But in essence, if this social structure disintegrates, isn't it that i am isn't actually I am, ie not my ego?

[@TheRealMan_EmperorHimself]

there are several Buddhist teaching stories that bring to mind a more light minded form of what could be considered trolling. In its original form, trolling simply referred to the idea of disturbing a settled conceptual base. At any point where a mind becomes settled it becomes vulnerable to any sort of contradiction to the place that the mind has settled on. If one is caught in a false perception then truth often appears to disturb this settling. One can see this in life in many instances. Trolling largely has become something defined as negative for roughly three reasons: 1- 95-97% of communication is body language+tone+ pace of speech. The rest is the actual words. The remaining percent is all that is conveyed through text. Personally, most things that are conveyed through text are interpreted significantly more harshly than speech would be. 2. People do not like learning anything that conflicts with a preconditioned worldview. It's why education is so difficult. Therefore if you teach someone something by posting say, a list of facts and their sources, you would be considered to be "trolling" any group of people who don't "believe" in those facts regardless of the fact that a fact represents an objective concept outside of any amount of belief or not. This is a limitation of language as well as a limitation upon the interpretation of language and the human response to new information. 3. The worst people are the loudest and quite a few people are exactly as described. Those people also get the most attention. On a final note, trolling can largely be categorized under information games. If an information game is designed to lead people away from deception it could be considered a "good." Past that I really appreciate your work and clever use of titles.

[@jonmustang]

Phew, good topic! My mind sometimes gets so captivated by spiritual topics that the mouth won’t restrain itself. So I try to check, “does my mind want to say this or does my heart want to say this?“ And typically it’s just the mind blathering. The heart is usually pretty calm and just smiles and listens and understands. My hope is to spend more time in my heart until my mind just shuts the hell up forever.

[@waykee3]

Interesting. I’m not sure if we should act base off the heart or mind then.

[@jonmustang]

@@waykee3 Perhaps so. But these terms may mean different things to different people. I'm coming from a more Hindu-influenced usage of words like "mind" and "heart" where it might be said that the mind is the mental chatter and sense that create a false self, an ego. And the heart is the infinite stillness and peace of "Self" or the guru. So to me, the heart is preferable.

[@jonmustang]

@@waykee3 I got in a little trouble before, using those terms. A friend interpreted my use of "heart" as meaning raw emotion and passion, whereas I was referring to this spacious, peaceful center of being. We thought were were talking about the same thing but we weren't

[@ultimatemeaning]

🤍♥🤍 Sorry for the delay the comments have been going crazy! 🤍♥🤍

[@waykee3]

@@ultimatemeaning 🙏

[@wanderer3757]

one must shitpost to achive true enlightening -Buddha

[@ultimatemeaning]

neither shitposting, nor not shitposting, nor neither shitposting and not shitposting that is the middle way 😆🤣😆

[@giygaskaz]

as someone with a deep curiosity in buddhism this was an incredible thing to have pop up in my recommended. great video :)

[@Rednilsunwood]

A few thoughts! I come historically from an occult and witchcraft background of spirituality, my own path is simple but rather hard to express in terms that would be easy for me to articulate. I find hate and anger, deep sorrow, so many negative emotions and feelings in western society- when they arise, want to speak and express but have no proper channel to do so. They’re “wrong.” Sayings like “no bad vibes.” “Don’t hate” and so on. Love what arises, a teacher of mine once said. Whether it is ecstasy, hatred, or malaise. It has been a beautiful experience seeing these deep and difficult emotions expressed through artwork as a medium of liberation for the honesty of what one feels. To not suppress what is honest internally. Not directed at an individual in a way that is harmful and hurtful in the moment- “you asshole, I can’t believe you yadda yadda.” But to give room to what has been suppressed, and to give it art and creativity to allow it expression. Whether that’s poetry, music, movement, painting, writing, whatever the medium may be is less important. I feel perhaps a number of these trolls could probably use the liberation their own artwork could bring to the table, and what a blessing that could be for themselves and for others. All the best!

[@ultimatemeaning]

How interesting, I have previously had an interest in Witchcraft and the occult. In terms of the Buddha dharma then someone who is under the sway of anger is in for a pretty hard time, if they could learn to accept whatever is irking them as you do then that would save them a hell of a lot of trouble. Thanks for sharing 🦇🦇🦇

[@altonlg24]

Expressing yourself and someone else understanding you can be a factor in you understanding yourself, understanding that you have judgment that you have not let go of yet. I can attest that one can become aware of and let go of judgment without it being expressed either verbally or non-verbally.

[@LN37275]

So you are saying they need to make more wojack cartoons

[@mtamech535]

Some of us deal with extreme ups and downs. Resting is impossible. We look for balance by living during the night, by trying to eat right, exercise. But even things like sudden cool days or full moons or rainy days can upset that fragile balance inside of us, causing the depression or mania to explode.

[@ultimatemeaning]

The key is not to aim high when you are on a high, but to make easily achievable goals at tht time, and then there is. a better chance of sailing through the coming storm ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@e_ejjay8222]

This is a nice video. I am an ordinary person with worldly issues. I do my best to stay out of trouble. Thank you for the vidoes

[@ultimatemeaning]

That's a great approach friend ♥🤍💙

[@user-bs6ft5ye5z]

@@ultimatemeaning isnt non duality philosophy also in hinduism

[@ponyman13]

Great video, though as some say not all shitposting is meant to cause negative feelings. For example, please let me share a story with you A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled. One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate." He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him. His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead." Hearing this, the man was enlightened.

[@ultimatemeaning]

thank you for sharing this beautiful story friend ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@JNDeaux]

I clicked this video because the title made me laugh, but you've given me some food for thought. I've subscribed and I look forward to hearing more of your philosophy.

[@kylelinsly1351]

Thanks for sharing. I think some people jump into the non dual concepts without first humbling and working on themselves because they heard about it in an old lecture from some ex hippies and like to police others online, and spiritual bypass the work it takes to get to that realization. I see non dual as an ultimate goal when you purify your negative aspects to see yourself and the world clearly, but so many online try and sell themselves as something they are not for influence or popularity. Counter intuitively the best thing is not engage the trolls unless they are actually trying to learn. Though Sometimes what can be considered a troll to some could be like a Buddha pointing out others mistakes, but that is about context/perspective such as trying to open up the minds of dogmatic religious people by explaining the deeper universal meaning of a teaching. To them it would seem like a troll spreading dangerous heresy.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for sharing you well considered insights Kyle! 🙏🙏🙏

[@zachbos5108]

What is a non-dual concept? Every concept is inherently dual.

[@codyspinelli5609]

This message was not at all what I thought it was going to be from the title but it turned out a lot better than what I was assuming. I really thought you were going to teach how to properly shitpost for Buddha 😂😅 No fear I’m not actually interested in shitposting or causing trouble for others 😊 and it’s my sincere wish for your liberation from Samara 🙏

[@gtVel]

your first mistake was thinking

[@ultimatemeaning]

I'm glad it wasn't worse than you thought Cody! 😆🤣😆

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@gtVel Yes of course the best practitioners all have had frontal lobotomies! 😆🤣😆

[@Ludifant]

@@ultimatemeaning You jest, but there is a lot of truth in that.. Some great zen-masters of the past were reported to be childlike idiots. It is probably that they weren´t stuck in that state and possibly how Zen accomodated some actual idiots. I think the option of a temporary lobotomy is why people are attracted to narcotics and drugs. It is empowering to do the same through meditation in a non-harmful way. It is touching and freeing to do it together. Like drinking together, but without many of the negative consequences. Does a dog have buddha nature? MU!

[@CuriosityOfAbstractivity]

@@ultimatemeaning that was funny.

[@itshel2677]

I just came back from a long walk and some weed. Finding this video resultet in the most relaxing time I had this week. Thanks. A lot.

[@markop.1994]

Im no holy man, but ive done some shitposting in my day. I love the Buddha's teachings and i consider myself generally compassionate. i ultimately agree with what you are saying but theres some social nuance to these more modern terms that i worry you are missing. Where trolling typically denotes acting on bad faith, "being a hater" is usually not something someone calls themselves but is a label put on them for being critical of something deemed good by a group or the majority in some sense. So "being a hater" isn't explicitly bad, as one might call the Buddah the ultimate hater for rejecting all that he did. Shitposting is a totally different, as the goal is usually comedy, and rarely to actually make anyone feel bad. the term is used differently by different groups on the internet, but generally it refers to sharing things whimsically or without proper context. Personally i think shitposting is the more arcane of the 3, as it could be as simple as sharing ones feeling or it could be as abstract as someone commenting buddhist quotes beneath a video about something completely unrelated, like on a video about economics or something... Either way great video! I liked and subscribed! 🙏 hope you share more wisdom soon.

[@Eddie2P]

honestly thats what i thought this video was going to be about. like being an anti guru or something. it goes both ways tho for the person shitposting and revieving it. if either person gets angry its their ego so really its an opportunity to realize your ego happening on both sides

[@ultimatemeaning]

Yeah you'll have to forgive my ignorance this culture is all new to me ❤

[@markop.1994]

@@ultimatemeaning no need to apologize, its the average person at fault (myself included) for being chronically online 😅 A 12 year retreat is real commitment! I have the utmost respect for what you are doing. I used to meditate everyday, thinking of the 3 jewels, 4 noble truths, and the noble eightfold path, but 10 years have passed and i have fallen back into average materialism and attachment. I still hold dear the essence, but i do not feel the peace or focus i once had. Do you have any advice for someone like me?

[@ReevesTo10k]

@@markop.1994you are true. Remember that you can always take the time to reflect in action the no self in when what and how you interact with material. As I read your comment I feel like you had been reading all the fundamental foundational in meditation. Step more into the physical practice of the love of the human experience.

[@ReevesTo10k]

@@ultimatemeaning peace and blessings. I have a question. How would you compare the difference in man’s perception of suffering from when you stepped away and now that you have been reintroduced to daily interactions with man now.

[@-._7]

Sometimes when psychopaths and psychopathic behavior is being celebrated, trolling is in fact altruistic, because in that scenario empathy is just subverted and preyed upon. Compassion without discernment is called peeing into the wind.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Could very well be true friend🤍♥🤍

[@BackPalSA]

This video was incredibly entertaining. The title was a great one, and your point was spot on about the purpose of our spiritual growth and enlightenment.

[@KenDenIsmyname]

your words are truth brother,i'll admit to find the antidote for the mental poison of negativity seems just out of reach at times when i know it's right there,that's alright,i fall down,i get up.

[@ultimatemeaning]

🤍♥🤍Thanks for sharing🤍♥🤍

[@Westcoastrocksduh]

I’m a super troll. Sometimes to make me and others laugh and sometimes to figure out the ego and people’s responses. I’ve found it enlightening.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for sharing your story. Making people laugh is most excellent as long as it isn't at the expense of others. ♥♥♥

[@Theratsintrenchcoat]

Clicked for the title, stayed for the lesson. This might sound odd or unrelated, but your voice is very relaxing and easy to listen to. I've been in a depressed state for several weeks now - partially due to vitamin B deficiency. One of the things that helps bring me out of a depressed state, is deep thinking. And this made me think deeply about spiritual or even religious trolls, which I oftentimes see. Thank you.

[@williamjohansson6282]

You are such a presence, thank you! 🙏😊🍀

[@ultimatemeaning]

♥🤍💙

[@osinaki]

Humility is the essence of love and intelligence; it is not an achievement. - Jiddu Krishnamurti 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

OK interesting, we teach that it is a consequence of practice 🙏 kzbin.info/www/bejne/epWXeWiBfs-pndEsi=W2wE6CkK1jOdVBuu

[@osinaki]

@@ultimatemeaning Exactly, releasing into the natural state all the positive qualities arise as they always already are. Thank you.

[@osinaki]

@@ultimatemeaning Watched the video. I'm not a follower of anyone (externally) and I understand your perspective of JK. He was NOT faking it, however, he had a blind-spot for sure which is not obvious without studying him and practicing. He had his life thrust upon him by the Theosophical Society, which is not something anyone should have to go through. Krishnamurti's Notebook gives a much better perspective of him and his experience than any of his lecture videos. I live a similar situation which just recently became understandable and liveable, to be subtle... He did bring benefit to those that can see themselves well enough, though. Thank you, again. 🙏

[@osinaki]

If you feel so inclined, just a few minutes and you may see something 'peculiar' about his writing and what he expresses. selfdefinition.org/krishnamurti/Jiddu_Krishnamurt_Notebook.pdf

[@Korosivv]

The thumbnail and title were good enough to make me think this was a shitpost, but this is pure gold. Thank you.

[@ultimatemeaning]

😆🤣😆 Guilty as charged, but well intention I hope😆🤣😆

[@cosmicfails2053]

As a wise man once said, "War is a cruel parent, but an effective teacher. Its final lesson is carved deep in my psyche: That this world and all its people are diseased. Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater: Memes. The DNA of the soul. They shape our will. They are the culture - they are everything we pass on. Expose someone to anger long enough, they will learn to hate. They become a carrier. Envy, greed, despair… All memes. All passed along."

[@noaag]

I can't for the life of me remember where on youtube i first heard of this, but i learned this year that determinism is incompatible with findings made by quantum physicists. Which is pretty much thought to prove free will can exist, we can make choices and have moral agency, etc. ... Oh that was part of a quote? Oh. I mean still I think it's pretty interesting. Oh my god it's Metal Gear Rising Revengeance 😂 i just got hideo kojima'd

[@ultimatemeaning]

re: "We are all pawns, controlled by something" According to the Buddha that is our negative emotions like greed, anger, ignorance, and pride. Without these you are certainly free! ♥♥♥

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@noaag Yes I heard the same. And it is also incompatible with Buddhism

[@sunlightInky]

mystical recommended pull

[@supremegreaser2399]

Why do you have a perv flag as your thumbnail?

[@ItsCAKESyaCracka]

Grateful for this coming up on my feed. Peace to all beings. ❤

[@Knifegash]

I think one may troll and still come from a place of altruism. I consider a scenario such as on a game like Runescape, where one player advertises a service to trim armor for other players for free, it is a well-known scam that most ignore but once in a while someone will fall for it and hand over their equipment, and then the scammer leaves. The lesson is learned harmlessly for ultimately they have lost nothing, the anguish felt is illusory and fleeting, compared to having lost something tangible. This guides that person at the very least on a subconscious level not to seek the easy path, but one that follows natural laws of exchange. It's not much different to misguiding people with blatantly false information such as on message boards when questions are asked, the only thing lost is the time it takes to read it and it guides the mentality to seek information rather than demand it delivered to them.

[@ultimatemeaning]

I think you are right but I haven't met them. The closest thing is someone who out of misplaced pride thinks they have a profound understanding that no one else has thought about and so they want to correct you on that point. Now I am always open to new ideas and challenges to my first principles, but I seldom meet anyone who is able to present a new or special solution to the timeless paradox. ♥🤍💙

[@Happy_Limpet]

So much evil in the world , how is anyone supposed to not be angry at times .

[@ultimatemeaning]

So true but we must try our best! 💔

[@gordoncomeau3660]

@@ultimatemeaning To be angry at the world is to be captured by it and so angered one is keeping it going. Our best is not anger. Our best is love, compassion and devotion to the degree we can muster each according to the grace we know.

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@gordoncomeau3660 Amen to that! 🙏🙏🙏

[@user-hi5eh3xi7z]

This man is a humble compassionate man with genuine spiritual qualities! Everyone should listen to him! 😍

[@spearbomb5070]

Remember shitpost positively

[@ultimatemeaning]

Do everything positively ♥♥♥

[@cubcub2685]

Shitposting is kind of like posting memes. Memes are ultra-low effort regurgitation, usually made by editing the text of a currently viral image - almost like they are a template for a "memetic" medium to tell the joke once you know the layout. Shitposts are dumb joke images or videos that are more original and take a bit more effort, usually ironic and satirical, sometimes hyperspecific, but are still internet junk food.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Ahh thank you so much for shining some light on the terminology for me (embedded in that more terminology that I am not clear on!)but much appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏

[@artonion420]

I’d say sometimes shitposting is the parody of the junk food, that makes you laugh the fat Buddhas laughter and log out and touch grass

[@mrtacos705]

Thank you for this incredibly heartfelt message. I've felt as if I've been searching my whole life for a message like this, and I'm glad that I have received it as I feel I have become a non-dual troll to myself in my own mind, and thus have been treating other people with the same behavior I have been treating myself to.

[@ultimatemeaning]

So true friend. We so often sabotage ourselves unwittingly. But there is hope where there is the ground of mindfulness ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@freetibet1000]

Thank you for a much-needed talk on the non-dual confusion. 🙏🙏🙏 As a Buddhist practitioner I suddenly started to get videos in my YT feed from self proclaimed non-dual teachers that considered themselves awakened, no less! More often than not the videos became like advertisements for a book they wanted me to buy. The overall message from these “teachers” was that all we had to do was to snap-out of our duality and into a non-dual worldview! No actual practice or path was needed. In fact, the idea of a path and gradual purification and transformation is going against their version of non-dual reality. All you have to do is to start seeing the world and yourself in a non-dual way, according to these teachers! For all of us that are genuine practitioners we know what it takes to actually accomplish a true transformation, right? We all know far too well how insufficient intellectual thinking and understanding is if we aim towards true awakening. We also know that the true nature of non-duality only arise when all our practice is completed and ultimate nature of reality have arisen within us at the time of supreme enlightenment. That state is irreversible and as such will never engage in the petty games on KZbin to prove a point! The nature of non-duality is such that it cannot be conveyed or transmitted intellectually. It is one of the aspects of ultimate reality beyond all conceptualisations. It is Buddhahood, the Absolute State. There are so called spiritual teachers out there claiming to be awakened, teaching non-duality to inexperienced students, claiming that you achieve non-dual understanding if you give up ego in favour of Atman, or a Higher Self. Seductively, they teach the path of non-self and lead students towards a “higher self” instead. They call it Brahma. On the surface that may sound very much like a teaching by the Buddha, for inexperienced students. But we must be very clear about what the Buddha actually taught about ultimate nature, the state of awakening. He never spoke about an “higher self” or Atman as part of the ultimate state. In fact, if we study the Prajnaparamita teachings on Sunyata we will find absolutely nothing that we can affirm as being truly existent. Neither in the state of confusion, nor in the state of clarity and awakening. Neither self nor the concept of non-self are truly existent. Neither samsara nor nirvana exists truly as independent phenomena. Not at the beginning, in the middle nor at the end of the path do anything exist inherently and independently of other causes and conditions. Buddhahood is synonymous with Sunyata. To believe in a higher self or Atman is a sure way to close the gate to non-duality. That’s the bitter irony of the whole non-dual movement coming from these advaita Vedanta teachers. Since these teachings so often sounds very much like something the Buddha might have said, I feel we must make very clear to both ourselves and those around us how deceptive and ultimately false they are in their assertions about ultimate reality. For these reasons we must come to a clear understanding about the true nature of reality that actually correspond with the teachings of the Buddha. Ultimately though, the Buddha did not come here to teach philosophy. He came to our world to point out an effective and practical path towards an actual accomplishment of liberation from suffering and samsara. As such, he rarely spoke in general an non-specific terms, but instead gave effective to-the-point instructions that we rely upon even today. He taught how to work with what we have, right now, and utilise it in the most profound and ingenious ways towards transformation and awakening. He knew all too well that telling a student to just drop samsara and adopt a non-dual view would lead nowhere. That’s not how you lead someone to liberation. That’s how you plant further confusion in the mind of inexperienced students and effectively block them from true progress towards liberation. The Buddha taught out of infinite compassion and wisdom not from self-interest or a sense of self-proclaimed idealism. That’s why his teachings will always be relevant and to-the-point. Karmapa Kyenno 🙏🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you so much for your insightful comment. It is refreshing to hear these words that clearly come from personal study and contemplation. The over-simplification of this most sublime of paths, as you have quite rightly mentioned, is a danger to any sincere seeker of the truth. 🙏🙏🙏

[@AlanCarter-s2k]

@@ultimatemeaning I hate to bother you. I do know that in spite of some of these allegedly "spiritual" trolls, would you consider the following channel among such people? His channel is 'Apollonian Slumber'. He has been indirectly referenced by 'Dharma Nation' regarding criticism, and laptop microphones.

[@AlanCarter-s2k]

@@ultimatemeaning I understand the channel I mentioned can seem off putting. It is more directed at young men his age.

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@AlanCarter-s2k I had a look at his channel it doesn't seem to be any kind of trolling or shitposting, but rather insightful and pretty damn funny. I get the impression he has put a lot of thought into what he does. I love the Jesus riffing on the double neck electric guitar BTW. thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@AlanCarter-s2k He appears to be extremely intelligent

[@franzhaas5597]

Mantra has become a passcode.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Whats the ID though?

[@sugarfree1894]

@@ultimatemeaning It's the IP address that counts :)

[@ultimatemeaning]

@@sugarfree1894 😆🤣😆 I.P.= inner progress 😆🤣😆

[@Grymgar]

This reminds me of a meme I saw recently that felt like the lesson of a koan: "Yes, I've finally rid myself of my ego and I'm finally better than everyone else!"

[@mono6839]

Thank you ! 🙏

[@ultimatemeaning]

Nice to see you there Mono! ♥

[@mono6839]

@@ultimatemeaningI enjoyed it too, thank you for your perspective, it's always inspiring to hear your words, it's no a small thing to share and exchange imho! Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland 🙏🖖

[@devasauruswrex6251]

We making it out of samsara with this one

[@ultimatemeaning]

That would be nice, eh? ♥

[@gstrnerd2]

Trolling is a topic with depth, but briefly, one may not troll to hurt, but advanced trolling is a tool of perspective change. To mock one obsessed with the corporeal, is to hopefully plant doubt in the ego of one putting too much weight in themselves.

[@gstrnerd2]

There are historical examples of the concept of meaningful trolling, such as the greek Momus and the native american Heyoka. Social constructs and contacts need to be challenged to bring insight to ill norms and traditions.

[@Gnadray]

We are a music band, and we are lost in the mess of this void of life... Ohh, kind man, what should we do?? What will you advice?? Everyone is leaving, and it seems there will be no time for making music in the future!! OUR MUSIC BAND IS FALLING APART

[@euthymialy]

As the teacher said, your next lesson is right in front of you. Thank you for being here and shining your light.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Thank you for coming along for the ride ♥🤍♥🤍♥

[@jamiemills2645]

Not a troll. Zen, the one where we hit each other with sticks and troll "masters". The Wild Fox koan is a good one. It's about a monk that forgot to exit the vehicle. Well done for getting further than most in this lifetime and blessings on you for the rest of it and as many as it takes you . Oh, being a Bodhisattva ain't all about the love, we're not here to validate the ego in any form. Remember you don't exist and there's nothing to teach. Everything is Maya. If that's not clear, feel free to use me as a mirror to check for the little bits of ego you missed after 12 years of trying to scrub away a lifetime of self interest, That's why you made this post, is it not? It's okay you can tell me, the universe sent me to answer your call, as you can probably tell. They did warn you about misuse of the siddhis didn't they? 🕉☸☯🙏

[@stevecarter8810]

This post seems clever, and reminds me of not being able to make sense of alt.religion.tao newsgroup in the nineties

[@shivagoncalves6525]

@jamiemills2645 you've spoken the wisdom of Saraswati herself. He who sees the difference between negativity and positivity - they are stuck in the delusion of duality! For as you astutely said, "All is Maya." Negativity? That is Maya. Positivity? That is also Maya. The Shakti is "both this and also that," both dual and non-dual.

[@jamiemills2645]

@@shivagoncalves6525 Bravo 👏🏻 Near 30 years ago a man in an orange robe said knowledge of all is in these books he shared. That was an offer an ego couldn't refuse. Don't worry (i) bought them all some supplies. He wasn't lying. Everything is a blessing and always will be. Dr Bernardo Kastrup and Dr Iain McGilchrist might be of interest as an example of philosophy and psychology showing what is shown in all things when they are viewed without the self. Fear nothing, blessings brother 🙏🏻

[@is-ness]

Wow. You are the classic advaita bypasser and you don’t know how shallow your seeing is. Big problem in modern world. Head full of I am no one and a body full of karma.

[@jamiemills2645]

@@is-ness Perhaps the problem is you are full of labels and others ideas 🙏🏻

[@WanderingYogiThailand]

Thank you for inspiring me to make videos

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hey great! I must check them out!

[@talscorner3696]

Approaching the internet must have been an *interesting* fifteen minutes... but I'm glad I could find this video ^^ Welcome back, friend!

[@oceanokelly8097]

Very demure. VEEERRYYY mindful.

[@ultimatemeaning]

Demure sounds good! 😆🤣😆

[@t.m.2415]

I'm an enlightened non-dual. I have achieved this through gooning and jelqing every day all day for 35 years. Sometime even going without sleep. 🙏

[@DV_Cruz.]

a few months ago i decided to learn from buddhist teachings since i found they made me happier, more healthy towards myself and others, and overall guided me to a better life on a time i really needed it. now seeing these two concepts that represent things i take very seriously (buddhism) and things i satirically enjoy (shitposting) just feels unreal 😅 after watching the video, i feel incredibly refreshed even tho i'm neither a troll, hater nor a shitposter. it's just nice to see people who actually understand that division and ignorace are cause of most (if not all) problems in the world. i really hope we (as in all of humanity) learnt from people like you for the betterment of the world

[@ultimatemeaning]

Hi friend thanks for sharing your story and your sense of humour. It is refreshing! 🙏😆🙏😆🙏😆

[@CircumlunarFeasibility]

The term "''hater" is lame. It can mean anything, and often it means "someone disagrees with me", and they dont deal well with that.

[@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind]

ABSOLUTELY THIS👆 To me, honestly, there are no such things as "trolls" or "haters". They're wrong views. Catch all terms or buzz words people use as a coping mechanism to "explain" (in a negative light) that which hurt or upset them, in other words, they're prejudice. This does not lead to understanding nor compassion, but to self-poisoning the mind with views that explain nothing. No darling, no one is saying things to upset "you" cause "they're unhappy with themselves", you're the one assuming what they are doing and assuming why they're doing the things you assume they're doing.

[@ambersignore]

Shitposting is for the lulz. It’s not the shitposter who is to blame, nor is it the troll who is to blame-the responsibility is on the recipient to determine if they’re going to allow their feelings to get hurt. Everyone is responsible for their own mind and their reactions. There are no trolls if there is no “victim” energy to summon them. Reality is not as it seems.

[@E4439Qv5]

Precisely. The damage occurs as it is _permitted,_ be it understood, misunderstood, or ignored...

[@benevolentconcepts]

Lol

[@ultimatemeaning]

feeling could get hurt or it could just get very tedious and repetitive, especially if the so called troll is just going on about trite ideas that they haven't considered with any depth or feeling 🥱

[@E4439Qv5]

@@ultimatemeaning eh, nothing wrong with being boring or predictable, either. ...Other than how it's those people who tend to fall back into their old patterns and not learn from experience. 🤔

[@ambersignore]

@@ultimatemeaningyeah, but that’s not a “troll”. That’s just a dummy. There’s a lot of nuance to the word, and people have adopted it without understanding what it really means. It is the original trolls who have the depth ironically. They troll because of the depth, in fact. That’s why it’s funny. If you’re referring to a shallow person with subpar intelligence who says anything because they have a screen to hide behind, look in the direction of something like “NCP” or “halfwit” or “regular person”.

[@hans1783]

I'm learning internet phrases from a monk. Now this is internet era. Surprisingly i find listening to this is very relaxing.