Sniper's Hide Training, the Proper Firing Hand Grip

[@donaldtimpanaro713]

I just tried your tip of applying the weight of your rifle to your shoulder pocket. It changed my life. I can finally follow through while staying on target and on higher powers. I also liked the idea of loose thumb to help other areas of recoil This was an AWESOME video. I've been trying to solve this for about a year.

[@Kartyman550]

So if you have a 10lb gun you should be pulling the gun back to your shoulder at about 10 lbs? Am i understanding him correctly?

[@20ppc]

Yes, that is it exactly 👍

[@skyfallon3654]

@@20ppc But does this increase the chance of torquing the gun?

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

I can only do so much shooting but I do value what the instructor is trying to teach the viewers. I deeply thank you for putting out quality videos, I just wish that I had more time to shoot; school around the corner and my age 67; PTSD also has its turn. Vietnam veteran.

[@deplorabledave1048]

I usually have something to add in a lot of these instructional videos. In this case I do not. I can shoot great groups (.33") but am not as consistent as I would like to be. Now I know why. I found this video to be all NEW news to me. Most of it anyway. Snipers Hide are a serious group of shooters. I am always impressed. Especially with the information in this video. You guys just made me a MUCH more consistent shooter. I thank you so much!!

[@swatbwana]

Great points on the grip a consistent grip is the hallmark of any shooting system

[@clintonscottwalsh]

learning so much from these videos.. thankyou so much.. I own a .308 and 300win mag.. fellows at the range said I jist need to control my breathing.. so been practicing that..

[@ericrumpel3105]

I'm not anyone in the spotlight, but after nearly 50yrs. of reloading/longrange shooting/35yrs. of out to amile+ - I agree with this video 100% !! - it's what works & works for me!!

[@pseudopetrus]

I am glad SH is spending time on grip. There is such a thing as grip length of pull, much the same as butt stock length of pull. If you have short fingers, you might find it difficult to reach the trigger in good form on some rifles. Some wood stocked hunting rifles have a long sweeping curve in the grip rather than a steep curve that you might see on a synthetic magpul. Hand gun shooters know about custom grips, but the same thing applies to rifle shooters, the stock needs to fit your body, your hands, the stock needs to fit you. Now you can choke up on a hunting rifle with a sweeping grip stock, but that often means you need to hold your elbow high (WW2 off hand style) so your wrist is not under stress, and that works for some. I guess my point is, if you are struggling to get the right grip, it is not an uncommon problem, make sure to select the right fit for your grip in a rifle. After all, it is easier to change rifles than fingers!

[@gatorsolis6193]

Applying your tips has changed my impact on targets. I can manage my 300nwin mag more with your explanations. Thanks!

[@racin11ry]

I literally just tried this today before I saw this video. Had been trying the very light contact method on my 300 win mag and was pulling my hair out shooting huge groups. Decided to go back to a way tighter grip like I did when I was young before I allowed you tube to influence me and Wolla instantly way tighter groups

[@sadmazOR]

I had diagonal flyer problem when first try 200 grain bullets in my 308 ftr rifle. My grip was like on first 3sec on this video(5 years with 155-175 bullets and muzzle brake on my tactical rifle with no problem). My frend(LE instructor) adviced me to hard grip like this video. I did exercises on a statics with 20 lb weight. Now I shoot consistant 0.3-0.5 moa with any .30 bullet. This video is brilliant.

[@katana258]

learning that a gun will shoot better when you turn down the bolt , that's a good class to teach ..moneys worth for sure ..

[@johnstewart8849]

THANKS! This 3-finger, thumbs up technique tightened my groups by a couple of MOA....Better trigger control and follow through. I’m telling any of my friends that I DON’T shoot against.

[@Protocol_17]

Appreciate your deliberate and balanced approach to instruction.

[@TexasTrained]

Im glad you made this video.I was aware of this problem of trigger pull actually pulling my point of aim off.Thanks Frank

[@dlpogge]

Thanks for a great video. If you haven't already, could you do a video on setting up an adjustable stock to best fit a shooter? Thanks.

[@marcodellacqua15]

Great video, I read your book (some chapters over and over) and I find the videos very helpful in better understanding the minute but very significant details of fundamentals, yet I still have a question on the subject of pulling the rifle to the shoulder: I find that, in doing so, I stiffen my left shoulder, compared to the fully relaxed stance that should be achieved. Any advice about a way to counter this, or is there something I'm doing wrong?

[@clintonwalsh2264]

This has helped out heaps. Thankyou so much. I'm a hunter and with both remingtons 700's wirh custom stuff with a .308 and .300win mag.

[@quickclot1]

I've been experimenting with different grips lately and this video informed me that when I do not grip the rifle tight enough I get more rifle cant after the round is fired. Which is true.

[@64usmarine]

I was in the Marine Corps from 1964-1969 as a Grunt, Viet Nam Vet with 2 purple hearts. I qualified with the M14 7.62 rifle as a rifle expert. Shooting off hand from the 200 yard line, shooting from the 300 yard line sitting, and prone from the 500 yard line with no scope, no bi pod, and no bag. All we had was the rifle, The sling, and Iron Peep Sights. If your a training to be a sniper I can see you having a scope, bi pod, and a bag, but you better learn how to shoot on the move without scope, bi pod and bag. What are you going to do if you drop your rifle and damage your scope, most rifles that have a scope don't have Iron Sights on them, what are you going to do then? I'm 72 years old and I can still shoot better than most people. I didn't here the Instructor once say anything about, breathing, Trigger squeeze, or sight alignment. If your using a scope, Don't look at your target, look at your cross hairs, Your target should be out of focus if you concentrating on your cross hairs. If you practice that I will guarantee your groups will get tighter..........

[@gunnierunner1]

The video is specifically on grip.If you look at other videos you will find other fundamentals being covered.

[@StuninRub]

Old man you can't shoot for shit. You think you are good, but military standards are dog shit for accuracy.If you are using a scope, both your cross hair and target should be in focus if you set up the parallax correctly. You don't even know how to use basic equipment. Maybe if you were a better shot, you wouldn't have two purple hearts.

[@jeffersonsmith6109]

Mausingfield action. Nice. I'll have to check my technique against the shoulder pocket pressure in the vid. Thanks for the instruction.

[@ZZ-fs3zb]

damb, I love the looks of that rifle.. Chad done a hell of a job on that one.. That Mausingfield looks sweet..

[@ST-bk5uf]

The bar Bell is an interesting idea but the vast majority of the weight is supported by the bi pod vertically. You just are not holding the rifles weight in your shoulder but a fraction of it.

[@pewpewcompany1967]

In my experience, I've seen that different point of impact depends too to different sight picture. Usually shooters use parallax and focus regulations on own eyes. Well, when I tried other weapons, I've seen that parallax were out of measurement. So I think that it depends on that too

[@garylee8132]

Great theory if you are always prone or at a bench but ideal shooting also calls for standing, kneeling and other contorted positions at times what about these positions?

[@timmcfarland3311]

I’ve been looking for that top rail forever and can’t find one

[@islandtime100]

Do you have an instructional video? Where can I find out more about attending one of your classes?

[@SHLowlight]

Sniper's Hide website has instructional video section

[@ronin6158]

hate to be that guy but it needs to be said that dumbbell thing is obviously a rule of thumb-- assuming heavier rifle is shooting larger rounds-- and even then is dubious. A heavy gun shooting smaller cartridges would require less recoil mgmnt and pull, not more.

[@wingding028]

i like the camo pattern on the rifle

[@semitones]

For more hunting style stocks with 'swept back' pistol grips with little if any vertical area to bring back into the shoulder, how would you suggest achieving solid shoulder position without affecting POI or accuracy?

[@jameskliewer5809]

I'll be the guinea pig and give an answer. The goal is rearward pressure. With a vertical grip the fingers can provide that. With a sporter grip, I would wrap around the top of the stock more, in order to be able to exert a significant amount of rearward pressure with the thenar eminence (the fat part of the thumb between the thumb and the wrist). This is a lot like the old "cheek weld" of the Garand; the thumb still is alongside the grip, and not squeezing so much as helping align the combined pressures directly toward the rear. The "cheek weld" is your heek bone resting on your thumb as if your thumb was the cheek pad. And Garand shooters could get a bloody lip from prone and sitting rapid-fire, but that's the price of success. It still has to be comfortable and not "forced", because the goal is to be solid for the follow-up shot, like shooting a full clip from a Garand in "rapid" fire. "Rapid" would be 10 shots in 60-70 seconds. No need to go faster. Practice standing by holding and aiming for 10-20 minutes at a time; practice rapid-fire by firing 10 shots in 60-70 seconds. When you do that, you see whether or not your grip and other aspects of your position are adequate. Good enough would be 10 shots at 100 yds. in allotted time with about a 2-3" group. You'll know when your grip and position are right when you see the sight center on the bullseye after recoil. Then you can operate the bolt. Don't run the bolt until the crosshairs (or front sight) center back on the bull. Speed is last. Recoil management/followthrough is first. You may want to sling up while practicing this; then go back to bipod and rear bag after you're confident in your position, grip, and followthrough.

[@20ppc]

Great video and explanation 👍

[@randalla7106]

Ok stupid question time, I shoot a 22-250, a 260 Remington and a 338 Lapua. According to this video the 3 finger stand off would be an appropriate grip for the first two but a wrap around would be more suited for the .338 Lapua. What if I don't wish to have two separate means of gripping these rifles?

[@richiegonzales6750]

IMHO I think that your grip needs to be consistent. The finger tip approach is fine for lighter recoiling rifles, but inconsistencies in grip will create more problems than you think. Your grip should be as consistent as your breathing technique.

[@pierrelebrasseur8493]

How did he came up with the idea of a15lbs weight with a15lbs rifle.

[@MrMapex2010]

When you were pulling the rifle back in to the shoulder it looked like you were de loading the bipod?

[@stevenmoney3631]

MrMapex2010 Saw that also. I am assuming that the bipod is loaded but in the video it shows a more vertical or set backwards bipod leg, and then the rifle stock is set to shoulder. I am in no way an expert. I have success when I load the bipod and then set the stock (savage 7mm rem mag - no pistol grip).

[@SHLowlight]

I reloaded the bipod if you pay attention, it's a harris so the load is time, and clearly you can see the rifle did not move. MrMapex2010

[@SHLowlight]

SHLowlight I reloaded the bipod before shooting, I unloaded to show the movement to the rear .. there was a load clearly as the rifle did not move

[@SOJACjac]

+SHLowlight i have a question, how do you like the mauserfield compared to other customs?

[@giullianolucca]

Model scope?

[@gregscott2563]

Ant variation for the lefty's?

[@SHLowlight]

No do the same thing, just with the other hand.

[@bendigopipeclub2370]

Do you guys ever represent your countries, Commonwealtlh Games, Olympics?, Queens medal?.

[@72codeman]

What rear bag are you using?

[@quickclot1]

NM Desertadventure He uses TAB.

[@seamusryan22]

Great as always

[@tom_olofsson]

This was really helpful. Thanks.

[@raythemanroe]

I always thought lighter guns recoiled more, Guess I was wrong.. Magnums just need a nice light gun with a light hold right? lol

[@XJapa1n09]

Yea, something like that, lol

[@MichaelCook1981]

Also depends on the weight of the rifle, the heavier the rifle the less percieved recoil. A 15lb rifle will recoil less than a 10lb, due to the weight of the gun.

[@fabianvaras1273]

Good video aways learn something new pretty nice

[@larslake]

There's no one correct grip for everybody. Do what you feel comfortable with. Concentration is the most important part of shooting.

[@armandomada633]

Wow thank you

[@LoomisTook]

best lines: we have an area here which is called the grip my recommendation is to actually just hold the rifle

[@kentrumm1385]

Why doesn’t he talk about loading the bipod on the shot. It’s all part of making the shot.

[@richiegonzales6750]

He has a video out there that he discusses loading the bipod and when done properly the bipod doesn't hop.

[@dbot66]

Excellent info

[@tiputipu777]

Man why would someone ever think that first dudes grip would be a good idea to use.

[@JohnProph]

I think its along the lines of trying not to influence the gun at all. If I do that with an AR15 it will jump up in the air lol

[@SCQT]

good shit

[@Jdeneik]

How about a 32lb pressure! 50 bmg ugh! Lol.

[@larslake]

Recoil management only allows you to see point of impact and adjust faster. It doesn't affect the rifle's accuracy only the ability to adjust the follow-up shot. Keep in mind - Military snipers play by different rules. This is a good video on how to control the recoil but has nothing to do with accuracy of that first shot.

[@SHLowlight]

recoil management tells the bullet where the barrel is it effects your zero too

[@larslake]

@@SHLowlight Keep in mind, that when the primer fires, the bullet is already out of the barrel before the rifle moves and before anything can be done physically with the firearm. Also your brain doesn't register the fact that the rifle fired until the bullet has already left the barrel. That's why it's critical to become comfortable with the position of both the shooter and rifle and its trigger.

[@SHLowlight]

@@larslake You have no clue, thanks for playing, bye, there is time involved and of course, people beat the bullet out of the bore, how the fuck can one guy shoot better than another with the same rifle. I teach classes for a living, I am school trained Scout Sniper, you're lost in the internet bs. Idiots arguing with professional instructors how many students have you taught this year so far

[@larslake]

@@SHLowlight First - Before you start bullshitting your way through telling how a "bullet needs to know where the barrel is" Try learning a bit of physics and applied math. Now you might be super-human and able to be faster than a speeding bullet but the rest of humanity are not. As for your " trained scout sniper bullshit" and "professional instructor" keep selling it to you students and not to experienced "CIVILIAN" shooters. Good Luck with your BS.

[@SHLowlight]

@@larslake if there wasn't time, how do you have accuracy nodes in your barrel which you can look up based on their time. experienced civilian shooter, means you taught yourself and dont; have any answer. The fact you think the bullet is gone when the primer is hit tells us everything genius. Lock Time in a PR is 4 milliseconds, on an AR, 8-12 that is TIME and then you add in the barrel.

[@cottleful]

If you are loading your bipod appropriately your rear hand will make ZERO difference.

[@JohnProph]

what about on slick surfaces etc?

[@richiefoster794]

That's so easy just wich Marine Corps SCOUT SNIPERS HOW THEY DO IT

[@ryanfreeman125]

All the hand theatrics with the bolt cycling is so cringy.

[@Nomad_Wanderer]

I love the American people but not their government foreign policies i also love sniper shooting but we are not allowed to own a powerful rifle in our country

[@byronbranch4645]

oh look my scope :D

[@ghostcat6544]

💤😪💤

[@ripcannon5029]

Bad

[@skinnyapacheoutdoors7987]

Rip Cannon really he is a instructor

[@skinnyapacheoutdoors7987]

Dude really you took your time to train shooting when you got out of army. You are actually teaching wrong

[@skinnyapacheoutdoors7987]

Yes

[@m118lr]

And we sometimes wonder just why our communication skills aren’t quite up-to-par...ha ha ha