SHOCK POLL On Luigi Mangione BLOWS Kyle's Mind | The Kyle Kulinski Show

[@jerry7311]

Americans are tired of being abused at the hands of oligarchs

[@denize7139]

Yet we vote them into the Presidency.😢

[@DanA-nl5uo]

​@@denize7139speak for yourself I didn't vote for either side of the duopoly

[@Joedaniels007]

Nah... They love capitalism

[@redred222]

yet they voted trump in twice

[@JenniferRusso5]

The Maga zombies must love the oligarchy.

[@richardshunnarah2764]

Like Chris Rock said, "sometimes drug dealers get shot"

[@caroljo420]

The way I see it, how many times can you beat a dog before it bites you?!?

[@sPi711]

And to paraphrase Chris Rock: I'm not saying he should have killed him, but I understand!" I personally believe the "Luigi angle" is a distraction. After all, he was under investigation. Maybe he couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut about certain details regarding the investigation.

[@tinyhomestead6023]

Good one!

[@thomasbeltran5417]

Good one 👍🏾❤️

[@samhavoc1066]

@seroplaya9 To be fair to the police who investigated, they had pressure from the highest levels to resolve this. Blaming the cops is like blaming the operator at your health insurance. They need a job and their family needs to eat too.

[@JR-pr8jb]

CLAIM DENIALS are not the only fault of our criminal corporate healthcare system. The whole system is sick, killing this country.

[@ivansmith654]

I cannot get a claim denial all my health care is free from head to toe 100% coverd by French law I am good and for many years I had many Americans tell me because I was born in Paris that I was gay because of gay I did nothing else to get that insult and today I look at you my American father (RIP) US army served 25 years putting his life on the line for you to have the right to lose health care because of the thieves at the top of ladder are hurting, but today I am just fine I had to put with insults but I am fine, still not gay, but I do love Paris! Thanks DAD!

[@garyhoff3260]

Don't forget congress protects the insurance companys.

[@DaveTheBunny]

Not a single member of my family would have been in danger from someone like Luigi. I've had multiple family members suffer or even die from people like Brian Thompson.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

I haven't met a single person yet that is afraid or feeling terror from what Luigi did. It is like the news media doesn't report on reality or something. Maybe we should all realize that, or something? Just a thought.

[@Christinalovesturtle]

All my love - I am so, so very sorry for your losses. This abuser protecting narrative going on in mainstream media is the most heartless, cruel, despicable, invalidating, disparaging, incessant soulless devaluing of so many human lives... I have no other words.

[@andresgarciacastro1783]

@@CrAzYpotpie The super rich feel fear, and that's all that matters. Do you think they paraded Luigi for you? or to appease their masters? This isn't your country, it's theirs.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

@@andresgarciacastro1783 What's any of that have to do with what I said?

[@jschuler53]

@@CrAzYpotpie We recognize we should do more. We should protest in mass numbers like George Floyd and we should flood UHC whether you have it or not with phone calls asking if they cover this and that and keep them on the phone if they hang up call back. I know, that's a lot of time. But I have UHC and have a dental problem and I told them to use all my dental NOW, before the end of the year, then in a few days I'll have more. I literally said, charge me whatever you want and they went, yeah, ok, and I never once was asked to pay or got a bill. I did call UHC kept them on the phone going over my dental needs in excruitating detail and I did this with the dental provider and they said they covered what I needed. We'll see. I wanted to get all I had before the end of the year. I will change. Murder is wrong, hey Brian Thompson has so much blood on his hands how many murders did he supervise? It's like the Nazis having hit guys and admin guys to make sure the murders get done. No one cares about this executioner's face is always well hidden. No one cares about him. Jury nullification. It worked for Kvorkian.

[@alicemoore1367]

They are charging him with terrorism, what school shooter did they charge with terrorism?

[@christyritter1828]

It's almost like they think wealthy people are more important than children.

[@Libbathegreat]

Exactly! Even Dylan Roof didn't catch a terrorism charge.

[@hightower6645]

None of them, but I can't name any of their names. KZbin won't let me!

[@alicemoore1367]

@@Libbathegreat It shows who really matters to them in this country!

[@Youtuber-xs9cp]

Because he is manipulating less intelligent people politically through violence

Luigi didn't commit murder. He killed a mercenary. The guy he killed made money by killing people. It shouldn't even be a crime.

[@bitsykearney4496]

It was definitely murder. Same as spilled milk. I mean, are you crying over it? No, but it's still spilled milk.

[@stuppittyhed]

​@@bitsykearney4496anecdotes are for the feeble guy

[@magiofthoth]

Spilled milk certainly isn't high treason though.

[@kenetickups6146]

He didn't do it in the first place

[@bitsykearney4496]

@@magiofthoth Huh? Treason has nothing to do with this. Luigi didn't betray his country. He committed murder. And the empathy many people feel about this situation is on the same level as spilled milk. I'm resetting to the correct framing: *Luigi is in fact a murderer and none of us really care that he did it.* Rather my feeling are more layered than that, but I've presented the general consensus. I feel like that's the context you missed in my comment.

[@X_TheHuntsman_X]

It's further than the healthcare system. Americans are tired of being preyed upon in every corner of their lives.

[@youngjayvin]

facts

[@JebusHypocristosX]

19 of the 20 G20 countries have access to healthcare as a right, in the USA the right is access to guns. Hungry Americans are gona eat the rich

[@joshuasalgado4694]

Clearly not since they decided to vote in trump😒

[@macareuxmoine]

The fact the whole world is crazy about this tells you it’s not just Americans.

[@X_TheHuntsman_X]

@@joshuasalgado4694 Were the Democrats offering to topple billionaires or were they trotting them out on stage in huge spectacles? You must've missed the entire election season, because it was the second one.

[@kathleenbren1523]

I was not afraid of Luigi being out and about. Knew he was not a threat to anyone else. What did frighten me was the hateful, threatening televised speech directed towards the public from the new York police commissioner and later the threats to citizens expressing their free speech by the federal agency. Those responses terrified me and I am a ,75 year old woman, never been arrested

[@dougsfriendskeeter]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah keep that Attitude for Daniel Penny too

[@tibb814]

​. What are you saying?

[@mrvlsmrv]

​@dougsfriendskeeter so you think Luigi should be acquitted?

[@jeanalice4732]

Self defense on part of the citizens protecting themselves.

[@jeanalice4732]

​@@mrvlsmrv So you think the one who murdered thousands should!!!

[@JR-pr8jb]

The worst crime of the profit-driven system is not claim denials, but that it results in so many of us lacking continuing access to basic care. Not just the poor. Millions of middle class folks find themselves temporarily without coverage at critical times of their lives, like after losing a job. Being without ongoing/preventive care often leads to more serious and costly conditions. Medical care should be a universal right, not a temporary benefit tied to one's job!

[@brendandrummond1739]

Hell, I can’t afford health insurance, PERIOD. All my extra money goes towards saving towards finishing education. I’m 24 and haven’t been to any kind of doctor since I was 20 or so, lol.

[@BlueTuesday-d1g]

Yes! We need universal healthcare!!!

[@colleenwithers6793]

The American health system is disgusting

[@ikilltrees001-sk9ck]

By the rich for the rich. (with apologies to decent doctors and nurses forced to work in this system)

[@DaveGreen-gw6ew]

Yes the American health system is disgusting but what do you expect from a country that puts wealth before health. People always seem to forget that America is a business first and foremost and a country a very poor and distant second. Nothing will change while big businesses rule the roost. How much does an election campaign cost in America? About a billion dollars according to some people, so where does the money come from to fund the said campaign? From big businesses is my guess.

[@lightdestiny7]

It's repulsive! ​@@DaveGreen-gw6ew

[@PaulG.x]

And the rest of the capitalist system is not? What about destruction of the environment and the extinction of species for the same reasons that the American health system allows people to die?

[@user-kk2pc7ik7t]

Absolutely

[@ryangrey8643]

My wealthy cousin donated $10k to lLuigi’s defense fund and I am so proud of him!

[@ciroomaggio3025]

Grazie mille per la sua solidarietà.

[@ciroomaggio3025]

Purtroppo l'hanno incastrato. Dimostreremo i fatti di come siano andate i fatti. Qualcuno ha voluto tappare la bocca a Brian perché doveva testimoniare contro i figli di Nancy Peluso.

[@valeriemacphail9180]

May he be blessed!

[@ricknelsonm]

I know what he did was really wrong, many people say god bless and many more!!!, for how many people lost their lives due to being denied, it goes deep,

[@ciroomaggio3025]

@ricknelsonm ,Per sua informazione non ha fatto niente di male. Perché non è lui l'assassino. Un ex funzionario della polizia di New York,ha spiegato a chiare lettere che l'individuo che ha sparato, è un killer professionista. Oltretutto ha sparato con la mano destra senza la minima incertezza. Mentre Luigi è mangino. E poi è un ragazzo estremamente intelligente, e impossibile che fosse così ingenuo da disseminare prove a destra e a manca. Altrettanto ha spiegato che Brian doveva testimoniare contro i figli di Nancy Peluso,la quale è coinvolta in situazioni poco chiare. E quindi gli hanno tappato la bocca per sempre. Sfortunatamente l'hanno incastrato.

[@pizzapocket7878]

This dude sent a message and the message was received.

[@atlasgraham154]

And in a month that message will be forgotten for the next thing. The internet is intense, but fickle as fuck.

[@BlueTuesday-d1g]

We've all got to KEEP talking about it so it's not forgotten like the rest of the news cycle! We need to keep pushing until there is actual substantial change!

[@simonenoli4418]

It wasnt. They (UHS) elected a new CEO in 2 days. Their ex Ceo body wasnt cold yet.

[@judymawhorter7301]

Now because no one listens about these corporations in health care this young msn is giving up his life for that being noticed in no other way because no one will listen. Think of the ppl on the streets that get lost in nowhere land of healthcare also If it trully was universal then they would get the help they trully need.

[@freedivemd9366]

Unfortunately, the message that was received was "holy crap, we have to beef up our security!"

[@Morgan-ed2cb]

When I saw this happened I felt complete apathy for the CEO. How can we feel bad for a CEO when 45,000 people die each year because they can't afford healthcare?

[@JebusHypocristosX]

The CEO gets paid more based on making more Americans not get the healthcare they need, that is why Brian Thompson is a corporate terrorist and Luigi is an American hero.

[@h.neubert8770]

Right. Its sad in a way but they are responsible for their practises and their contribution to decline of public wellbeing. Its sad for everyone, but not necessarily because this particular person died. We get numbed by this greed combined with the incompetence to make America safe for all.

[@Morgan-ed2cb]

@@7armedman the short answer is that all of the groups who don't like the establishment democrat views are locked out. The democratic party would rather lose than accept the views of the progressives, socialists, etc.

[@chimpindoge3474]

@@7armedmanreally? A group of people with little say towards CEO's cutting corners to end peoples lives? They're in the crosshairs?

[@FUallMAGATS]

@@7armedman So is your preference the MAGA's who aren't even hiding any more that they are aligned with the side since the 70s that created, worsened, and now advocate for more corporate power like the healthcare corporations have?

[@nian60]

As a European, I say Luigi is a hero. Us Europeans who were not aware before, are shocked at the state of the US health insurance system. No one in Europe goes bankrupt over health care. No one in Europe is unalived simply because they can't pay for health care.

[@patriciaonyango6531]

And it’s going to get worse

[@twilightsparkle75]

y'all ray on us for being unhealthy and fat, this is the real reason why lol. between the no health care, overpriced food, and foods stuffed with preservatives and high fructose corn syrup and cancerous dye, I've even seen banana peppers with yellow 6 in them to make em more yellow... it's no wonder Americans can't live truly healthy lives.

[@yan-amar]

Rest assured they're doing everything they can to make the situation here the same than in the US. Watch closely as your rights disappear one by one.

[@romain3156]

​@@yan-amarRest assured, we are fully aware and we know our History. Why do you think we demonstrate so much in France. Freedom is earned and snatched from the hands of corrupted elected officials, never given out of goodwill towards the people.

[@sabinehahn9774]

Same in Australia. The US is the exception in the West.

[@tedmusson5179]

UHC is a terrorist gangster operation. Luigi's problem is that he is too intelligent to not see what's happening and too compassionate to deny his instincts.

[@wmxx2000]

"Murder is wrong" when it's a billionaire CEO. "Thoughts and Prayers" when it's a classroom.

[@jediknightdiscomike22]

Or when your loved one dies when your health care provider denies medical treatment you paid into.

[@hollandgem2]

We have entered the age of Aquarius, and that is the rising up of the people! It’s no coincidence. Many people were looking in the wrong direction because that’s what politics wanted people to do. The right direction is to look up not down.

[@CrunchyDark]

MAGA: "groomers are the devil!" MAGA: But I'll vote for Donald Trump

[@stephenbailey9969]

It's always wrong, SFB.

[@icin4d]

@@CrunchyDark They don't really count. They are a special kind of stupid.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Do not let Luigi fade from the news cycle. Remind every day. Keep up the pressure.

[@Myke_thehuman]

That's not how news works. And news is owned obviously, by the billionaires.

[@yorygibson-rc1lw]

Like that worked before trump is going to shit all over the USA like he did the first time and god help the world with what he has instore for us the next 4 fing years

[@sg3-h7u]

Yes!

[@mrsherwood2599]

Hopefully Luigi 2 is coming along 👍

[@bluehero-96]

Deny. Defend. Depose.

[@zhengkevin6514]

Luigi also comes from a rich family, his grandmother left the family 30million in will, but has sympathy and is willing to sacrifice his bright future for the disadvantaged

[@shenequaprioleau3828]

As a pharmacy tech, the highest co pay for medication that I had the displeasure of selling was $378.65! I've watched a family drive away in despair because the insurance they had wouldn't cover dad's meds...which was $2578! It's sickening to be asked to have sympathy for these avaricious ghouls when I, others in Healthcare, have seen the nightmares our patrons have been through to simply live!

[@AuntieMamies]

Yeh I think the vast majority of the country reserves their sympathies for Brian Thompsons victims

[@tinyhomestead6023]

Maybe refer them to Mark Cubin’s website cost plus.

[@Cat-tastrophee]

The fact that doctors, pharmacists, etc. have to do the dirty work by telling people to their faces these preposterous decisions from these companies that have nothing to do with real health "care" is an act of voliolence, imo. It's traumatizing for those who went into this line of work thinking they could help people.

[@vz4779]

There were many times I could not afford my Rx. And trying to get your doctor to prescribe something you can afford is another nightmare.

[@burninghard]

And if that dad dies because he can´t afford the meds is that not murder? So why should we feel sympathy for the mass murderer but onyl destain for the one stoppign the mass murderer? In my book he is a hero not a villain.

[@domjay]

My mom has been a pediatrics nurse for over 25yrs. I asked her what she thought about the murder and she goes: "I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner." LoL :P

[@VeteranVandal]

Based mom.

[@elizabethheyenga9277]

truth teller

[@camiller4916]

My mom was a nurse for over 50 years and she absolutely despised the health insurance industry

[@radieschen79]

Please don't forget about Luigi who made us all aware of this. This young man sacrificed his life for this! Free Luigi!

[@domjay]

@@radieschen79 LoL no one is/will forget Luigi and I'm sure the funds for his commissary will never dry up

[@Cricket-wv3hu]

When I was denied, and then denied again on appeal (left knee but appeal denied for my right ankle by a 90 year old optometrist!) I went down an internet rabbit hole to see how to continue to pursue treatment. During my search I think the most eye-opening thing I came across were the comments by drs. almost begging for treatment approval for their patients. The frustration and anger was papable, especially for standard cancer treatments. That was in and of itself, in a word, sickening. For the record, I got recourse through the CA state insurance agency. My goal at that point, not thinking I would get treatment, was for them to at least experience the time and hours wasted I spent fighting with them. Funny thing, the ins. co. "reconsidered" their original decision.

[@marnimiller2048]

"I asked a man in prison once how he happened to be there, and he said he had stolen a pair of shoes. I told him if he had stolen a railroad, he would be a United States senator." --Mother Jones 1903 This still rings true of the rich and powerful today. It's worse, I think.

[@ronkennedy213]

Luigi, insist on a jury trial, I am pretty sure the prosecution will try to avoid a jury trial any way they can think of, but tell your lawyer that you insist on it.

[@JebusHypocristosX]

They can't, its defendants choice.

[@dws0828]

@@JebusHypocristosXterrorism charges complicate that, intentionally so in this case

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​@@JebusHypocristosX love your avatar btw 😊

[@JebusHypocristosX]

@@SonsOfLorgar

[@Joedaniels007]

​@@JebusHypocristosX LMAO sure bud. I guess you must be new.

[@genekerr8064]

Thank you Luigi!

[@barelyable9559]

It is a business that should not exist. Just like slavery, one of the few countries to practice it and we have revolved our economy around it, but it should be tore down and abolished. The right to life and health should not be monetized.

[@professional.commentator]

Exactly! I can't stand how some right-wingers complain about the loss of jobs when it's like, people are already losing jobs left and right. At least we can get everyone healthcare.

[@Timeskipper-g2n]

@@professional.commentator Plus, you can always make new jobs. It literally takes nothing, Keynesianism works and it's shown that. Instead of a few parasitic jobs that bring negative value to society, just make more jobs that do bring value to society.

[@LaurieCoco-t8z]

Namaste'

[@toddmorningstar4206]

One of the few countries to still practice it.

[@thejudge8892]

You just nailed it , men this one is for the ages!

[@nevermind.abbs7]

RIP to all of the victims of Brian Thompson. All the thousands of lives ended each year and the millions of people affected by all of the crimes of Brian Thompson and the atrocities he committed against sick and suffering people and their friends and family who had to helplessly watch them suffer until their last days. May this tragedy spark real meaningful change in our policies immediately 💜

[@CraigMcfly1985]

Yes to the families but not Brian because his corruption was his last stand by the hands of Luigi.

[@kdacuna]

Amen to that 🙏

[@robertclark972]

Thank you , Luigi .

[@JGerman68]

People may forget that, at the beginning of the industrial era, when exploited workers realized they could organize and go on strike until conditions improved, many were beaten and/or killed by said companies. Violence is not exclusive to one side.

[@Libbathegreat]

Correct. I was a fully grown adult with a college degree living in another country when I learned about the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago in 1886.

[@DarkElfDiva]

In the interwar period, there was an incident where the government sent the Pinkertons to stop striking workers (coal miners if I recall). The workers armed themselves so the Pinkertons literally bombed them from airplanes.

[@laurademilio8884]

@@Libbathegreat Andrew Carnegie was a mass-murderer. The Homestead riots.

[@morganseppy5180]

​@@DarkElfDiva this is the origin of the cops who unironically have the strongest unions. But it makes sense how the act, right

[@remnantsfarm]

Unfortunately, they're willing to inflict violence upon us now!

[@economobserv]

Luigi is a miracle. Support like this is very rare. People need to protect it

[@SixOneNiner23]

Murder is a crime, when Weegi faked it, or the state does it, or health insurance uses faulty AI like Clearview does to bad jacket predators for corrupt Ghost Security. It’s all wrong!

[@dcarof]

I loved that you said: "If you shut up long enough to listen to the public, maybe you'd understand".

[@patralink]

Luigi has shown a light on the health insurance scam. He is a hero in my book.

[@YipYop-w6i]

Guns saved the day

[@Mike_S_68]

*shone a light. But yes, he did.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

That light is called muzzle flash.

[@Joedaniels007]

​@@YipYop-w6i nothing changed... So you are wrong again, cvckservative

[@zippymistletoe1272]

Auto insurance should be next.

[@jcsrst]

Brian Thompson was not a victim, he was a perpetrator!

[@maryanneslater9675]

Agreed. He took people's money and left them to die. In my mind, Luigi stopped a serial killer. Only one of a gang of serial killers.

[@Gillrien]

@@maryanneslater9675 and that gang of serial killers have each lead to the deaths of more people than every single recorded serial killer in history. Every year.

[@gremlinvibe]

At a certain point, it's self-defense

[@DeuxMilleVingtCinq]

He made Stockton Rush look like an angel.

[@sandrabergman3241]

I think he was on the phone with Brian Thompson. Because Brian has been nowhere in years without security. Plus he was just minutes before Brian. Luigi family was not insured by united healthcare.

[@charleymount582]

The CEO is to blame for his own death.

[@jjhall1963]

The problem is that corporations are considered "people" for many things; however, they are not held "responsible" for the death and suffering of many people.

[@DavenportBarr]

Perfect

[@nsbd90now]

And as "people" corporations are sociopaths.

[@delos2279]

One of many problems. For healthcare in particular, the biggest problem is that there is a profit motive in direct opposition to saving lives. That is the only way for-profit health insurance can work for shareholders. Less care = more profit. If the shareholders aren't satisfied they will get a new CEO who is ruthless enough to satisfy them. Not as bad for other industries but for healthcare, the moral problem is of course that we're talking about human lives and wellbeing.

[@mrvlsmrv]

Denied healthcare that leads to death is essentially 3rd degree murder.

[@Democracy_Bob]

@@delos2279 the reason the entire europe has some form of universal healthcare, plus Big Pharma is not so greedy. There is a balance between research costs & profit & it's way off in the US. I live in Denmark, so we have fully funded healthcare. But we pay our taxes, EVERYONE!!! It's called being a nation & providing for everyone. Something the 'Divided States' never has or will ever do. We also have a rebate system for prescription medicine that starts at about $150/yr & tops off at around $2000 where it's 100% free. Companies are also compensated for workers sick days, don't know the exact details. Personally, I just had a tumour scare. Went to my Dr., she rang somewhere in the state health dept. & filled out an online form while I sat there & then said, go home ring to any scanning centre, there's one just down the road. All centres in the country are now notified & by law must scan you within 24hrs, no buts. I was scanned 4hrs later. Luckily, it was just a very, very bad gland infection & the next day went up the road to a specialist to confirm & could officially cancel any further process. When I rang his Secr (wife), she said, we're actually closed for 2 days, but if you can come 8pm sharp, we'll be finished dinner & I'll come down & open the door, we live in the building. Now that's dedication👍 She could have just said, we're closed but, there's 4 other specialists within a 2 km's radius.

[@Angel-nu7fm]

He was a murderer - and Luigi stopped him! That would make a great bumper sticker, btw

[@crystalglass1358]

....plus put all the other health insurance companies and their CEOs on notice.

[@mha9578]

What Luigi did is self defense

[@shi_w982]

@@mha9578Seek Jesus.

[@Tammy-mp6gk]

@@Angel-nu7fm No not stopped. Stole.

[@Zurround]

@@mha9578 I strongly disagree with your comment. He was defending way way way more people than just himself.

[@kmlund42]

I think that poll sounds about right. I am tired of not getting care I need because of non coverage even though I spend 1,200 dollars a month in just premiums not including med, copay, or deductible costs. I remember a day as a teacher in the 90s when insurance was 75$ a paycheck, I could buy a home, and care, all on a teacher salary. Today, I can barely afford utilities and groceries. So sick of the rich senators, judges, etc. along with the billionaire class telling us we are lazy, need to work harder, need to suck it up, and can handle losing SS, Medicare, etc. I have choice words for those folks.

[@joebenedetti5515]

I was on the phone to a friend who works in the medical field when the news broke, her response "yeah that tracks." She is one of the most empathetic people I know too. Another friend who is a PA response "Surprised it took this long." The MSM needs to save their clutched pearls for the board meetings.

[@bernarddouthit4647]

Well put!

[@zackmeaders6199]

Americans in 2024 rediscover what the french people knew in the 1800s. There's inly one way to deal with the wretches of society

[@Timberking-cd9rp]

My friend, anger alone is not enough to bring about change. The solution is very simple: banning large corporations from donating to candidates. I know if a candidate received money from a dentist's clinic, they would pass a law banning the sale of teeth-cleaning products.

[@nakfoor1846]

@@Timberking-cd9rp Since we're at a point is it impossible to create such a ban, you see how people are starting to think the "next level" is the solution.

[@RyannLagattuta]

@@Timberking-cd9rpand how do you do that? Ask nicely? Come on!

[@cathybutcher4826]

​@@RyannLagattuta☝️

[@Mindcrow]

​@@Timberking-cd9rpAh yes, very simple. Just like the solution to climate change is simple: just stop polluting! Simple!

[@Newperson-x4q]

Luigi is a hero!

[@sugarush1476]

People who say that violence isn't the way... haven't studied history in any detail.

[@andreah6379]

Of course greedy media CEOs are going to cover for greedy ins CEOs and try to get us to calm down, not think about repeating it. 😂🤣

[@jackcuellar357]

It's have thus country was created. Unfortunately might makes right

[@erikayer2146]

Say "violence isn't the way" is an attempt to take away the only method peasants have to fight back.

[@Eildan-v4r]

It’s only wrong when it’s against the owning class. They don’t care to make any changes when violence remains within the lower classes. Look at what this UHC Shooter situation did: Violence caused this conversation where otherwise it would have been ignored internally from UHC Executives. I’m not advocating violence, but once the common people figure out how rich the elites really are, pitchforks will rise.

[@Dove01s]

Violence isn't the answer. That makes no rational sense. "Violence?" is the question. Sometimes, the answer is yes.

[@andyshelly3473]

if drug dealers can be charged with death by delivery , than what bout death by denial ?

[@clridesagain7308]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

[@ogadlogadl490]

Should be a new law created exposing exactly this!!

[@TheWebstaff]

In many countries, failure to provide aid to someone is illegal.

[@travisgroves4232]

They have lots of expensive lawyers and lobbyists to keep them out of prisons for their criminal behaviors.

[@randar1969]

Just keep it simple for example if a doctor says patient needs X insurance companies must pay for it. If it's within their insurance package.

[@BlueTuesday-d1g]

I actually did lose sleep after the CEO's death, but only because I was excited about feeling a glimmer of hope that change in our healthcare system may be possible if people push back enough.

[@SwearMY]

@@BlueTuesday-d1g This exactly. I haven't had my medications for 8 months because of UHC. Getting different health coverage this month.

[@RaymondMaoBuccilli]

I just got denied health care and I have to take a pill everyday to survive, and that might end now. If I die, Blue Shield of California has my blood on their hands.

[@lisae6725]

I’m so sorry. I wish I knew this before I just signed up for BCBS Advantage because all my clinics and hospitals quit taking the Humana I had previously. I’ve been so angry and depressed since I developed chronic pain. I never needed the healthcare system much until then. Now I’m in my 50’s and naturally, that’s about the time when things like cancer and other illnesses start to show up. We have to demand fricken universal healthcare already for God’s sake like every other normal fucking country!

[@christinebuckingham8369]

Appeal Multiple Times and contact an Attorney if Appeals fail. Good luck - sorry you’re going through this. 😢

[@DanA-nl5uo]

​@@lisae6725I just found out my mother's retirement benefits signed her up for blue cross advantage plan without allowing me to keep medicare for her. I am pissed

[@trappedinamerica7740]

There are very few things scarier than a man with nothing to lose

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Don't go quietly into the night.

[@therolandx]

UNH paid $8.5 billion in dividends last year. Where did that kind of cash come from after paying all those white collar bonus checks?

[@tickledtoffee]

blood money

[@denize7139]

There is only one place. Denied healthcare.😢

[@cwhit0110]

I wonder how much in share repurchases too. Stock buybacks - the old tax free dividend

[@s44577]

It came from insurance premiums. It came from the US Taxpayer vis a vis the ACA.

[@MCJSA]

It comes from denial of care.

[@julielabrouste6344]

ABSOLUTELY! I can't effectively express my monumental delight at Luigi's direct action! I'm still glowing!

[@Tayvin4042]

I said this to my friend when this first broke out, people aren't cheering the death of Brian Thompson, they're cheering the death of a UHC CEO.

[@MrPhotodoc]

The MSM is trying to make him a martyr.

[@kittyroxs]

That is an exceptional point

[@Christinalovesturtle]

Well put. Have these people perhaps not heard any stories or be unaware of the layers upon layers of unnecessary greedy cruelty this all encompasses? When I think of that man, I think of how it could be possible to go home at the end of the day causing "a" person not to breathe. It's like if a person paid to deliver EMS people to provide services instead held the EMS person back and the drowning person's head under the water instead of saving, helping save them, or allowing anyone else to save them... all while stealing the dying person's money. If there is a hell, I'm pretty sure it's been bought out & closed for the newer, updated, more extreme versions for anyone capable of this shit.

[@Tony1771-yj8mc]

These CEOs killed people just so they could take their family on a nice vacation. How sad.

[@athena608]

And you know what makes it really ironic? For all the billions in profits this CEO made for the Board and the shareholders - and the family and crumbling marriage he likely sacrificed to make that money (he and his wife were reportedly separated and she had full custody of their sons), *and all the deaths you could hold his policies directly responsible for!* - the UHC investor conference he was on his way to that morning *went on without him, on schedule.* It really is the c-suite version of "you die at your desk on Friday, they'll have your replacement at your desk by Monday morning."

[@andreah6379]

More than that. They kill for greed so they can then, via Citizens United, change all the laws to favor them and their corporations all while the politicians cover for them, protect their dirty deeds. It becomes a vicious neverending cycle of sufferring, death and more profit.

[@andreah6379]

​@@athena608Sociopaths in capitalistic societies are a dime a dozen. Lots of "Bernie Madoffs."

[@radieschen79]

@@athena608 Yep, but it got them so shocked that the NY Governor Hochul had to establish a hotline for all the scared CEO's. Lmfao

[@CrAzYpotpie]

​​@@athena608That is 99% of jobs, though. You are replaceable, we all are for the vast majority of jobs. That isn't even a bad thing. The world needs to keep on moving. The issue is what he did, not that he was replaceable at a job.

[@tommy2cents492]

Its good to hear that there are still people who can hold more than one (somewhat conflicting) thought in their head....

[@tofu_golem]

Deer do not mourn the passing of a hunter.

[@erinmac4750]

Well said.

[@Tammy-mp6gk]

@@erinmac4750 Deer act better than most people. They do not celebrate terrible things and justify it as being well.

[@rubensantos7108]

Agree🙋🏻‍♀️

[@MichaelRatkowski-u2x]

Beautiful

[@tonis8131]

Amen. Sympathy claim is out of network - and denied.

[@ct5625]

When a victim of domestic violence kills the perpetrator of that violence we all understand that it's still murder, but there are mitigating circumstances that you have to take into account. When a relative of a murder victim kills the perpetrator we all understand it's still murder, but there is still a back story there which has to be considered. Many in positions of power want us all to simply ignore all the context and surrounding information about this murder, because it doesn't serve their interests to confront the reality. Nothing exists in a vacuum. Only the willfully ignorant can look at this crime in black and white and insist that it's a simple case of "cold blooded" murder. Anyone who is HONEST has to have the deeper conversation about the unethical, immoral, criminal actions committed by the person who we're incessantly told was an "innocent victim".

[@Tammy-mp6gk]

@@ct5625 Those mitigating factors to consider are hard imposed & come from prolonged cruel; tormenting & harassing mental torture. Person to person & prolonged on someone who becomes trapped/stalked. Even so, it's rare to gravely respond. Others responding to attacks on others would be very personal from extreme emotional infliction. Or one who wants to mess someone up & acts on 'behalf of another' as an excuse to do serious/grave harm to someone else.

[@KarenAbrams-r8i]

@ the collective torment at the hands of insurance company executives is being talked about. Finally. 👏👏👏

[@jwhite-1471]

Victims of domestic violence still go to prison. We understand, but the concept of self-defense has rarely helped people who weren't in immediate danger (being attacked at the time of the fatal response). Even some who were being attacked went to prison because their response was considered disproportional.

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

Whenever someone says "murder is wrong," tell them this is post Reagan America, and no lives matter.

[@vanessamaldonado5877]

If the MSM can call a mass murderer who denied millions of ppl life saving care which resulted in millions of them dying a "hero", so can we call Luigi Mangioni a Hero for dispensing justice.

[@AnthonyRodriguez-om6id]

If the government will not protect the people the people will protect themselves.

[@timr32]

The overwhelming response I heard from seniors after the death was "it's a good start" just keeping it real I'm just shocked with all the people with guns that it took this long.

[@9000ck]

I think most people are fundamentally decent and need to be pushed into an extreme situation to do what Luigi did. But it actually surprises me too. I think modern culture gets us to blame ourselves for not being able to get healthcare and violence is internalised as depression.

[@Rogueviewer1]

Exactly! The boomers are known for finger-wagging at the younger generations, but they’re on bird with this one. That’s how bad it is - this is multi-generational grievance.

[@lokimiguel2452]

They are all talk they fantasize about killing people who enter their house lmao

[@vee5315]

Right!? I'm Canadian and this story has me fascinated. I never thought about this before but now that it happened it's like, yeah how did this not happen sooner?

[@lokimiguel2452]

@@timr32 all talk and no bite lol

[@RatedAwesome]

Its simple, people are paying for the coverage, and then getting denied that coverage. It should be illegal to charge for a service and not provide that service

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Class war not culture wars

[@Libbathegreat]

Yep, this was the easiest Xmas I've had with my MAGA relatives in years 😂

[@mizofan]

Yes yes yes! I'm in UK, and been saying this for years. The crooks with power love to push identity politics to divert, divide and rule and it's worked a treat while ordinary people suffer more and more and the rich and corporations get richer and richer.

[@geoffreysmith183]

Fuck yes¡¡¡

[@Toywins]

​@@Libbathegreat 😂😂😂

[@andreah6379]

Culture wars is madeup by reichwing billionaires to distract us while they steal our tax $$$$ & pick our pickets clean AND that makes class war THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT to focus on.

[@Neesha2460]

Deny, Defend, Depose.... Free Luigi Mangione ... HE IS A HERO Deny, Defend, Depose.... Free Luigi Mangione ... HE IS A HERO

[@hellentavora2046]

One murdered by violence against millions murdered by claims denied.

[@johnathannewburn2747]

If anyone needs any evidence that proves how heartless the Healthcare industry truly is...The meeting he was walking to still happened even after they knew he was killed...now apply that to yourself if you're a victim of their companies.

[@libertas5005]

I honestly think people should start calling it for what it is: Insurance industry. It has nothing to do with healthcare when you think about it.

[@tickledtoffee]

omg that's insane! They have no shame

[@Joedaniels007]

​@@tickledtoffee It's called Capitalism

[@keirfarnum6811]

😱😳😱😳😱😳😱

[@rosewhite71]

UH stock went up too after his liquidation lol

[@mcoffeecation2153]

We are fed up.

[@HistoryNerd-11]

does not excuse murder

[@mcoffeecation2153]

@ would you call claim denial to increase profits where someone dies, murder? This is the MO of health insurance companies.

[@Daniel-r9r]

A person that fights for the people cannot commit any crime !

[@camiller4916]

I am also angry at the US healthcare system. I’m also super angry at large businesses that pay their CEOs in the millions while employees get laid off, and/or paid nothing much per hour. Agree 100% the CEO whack is US healthcare’s fault.

[@verng8864]

United healthcare executives should be indicted on business fraud charges

[@SonsOfLorgar]

And crimes against humanity

[@andreah6379]

What do you think greedy CEOs have been doing with those profits besides buying warehouses of fancy exotic cars and mansions? They have been, via Citizens United, buying up politicians to change laws, to protect their mafioso ways of "profit by death," and making it legal.

[@everonproducties]

As someone who lives in the EU that only needs to pay a small account of money for healthcare every month. Over here we complain allot about these health insurance prices being to high, seeing all these comments about insane amounts of money that you have to pay for US healthcare is so absurd to me. Feels like the government is literally milking you for money, like they don’t even care about your health.

[@Dove01s]

That would be because they don't.

[@jacobs9955]

Free Luigi!!

[@fybson1068]

Come and get your luigi sample here!!

[@jacobs9955]

@@fybson1068 Lmao 🤣

[@Jsharpeone]

My initial reaction was how I felt when I read a story about a parent murdering the abuser of their child; it's wrong and should be condemned, but I sure as hell understand it.

[@ManuelaJäger-e6t]

👍

[@CrackheadArsonist]

Great analogy 👌

[@JiveBoogie]

Yup!

[@swilliams1759]

The father in Louisiana who shot his kids karate instructor at the airport in Baton Rouge when he got off the plane.

[@Russelshackleford]

Not wrong and should be condoned

[@lajirafa481]

I was so angry when I watched the press conference after his arrest. I was watching to get information but instead got a lecture on “murder is wrong.” Yeah duh, but which is worse… the serial killer or the guy that kills the serial killer? The media is wrong for trying to justify the legalized murder of thousands of people every year for profit.

[@onlyonesky9611]

Well put,totally agreed!

[@ericcarson342]

It's not just Healthcare. It's CEOs in general. They (and the board) justify their own pay. Politicians in bed with these people as well.

[@Joedaniels007]

It's called Capitalism ✨

[@AuntieMamies]

It is all CEOs but healthcare is an exceptionally evil industry because it literally decides if people live or not

[@mizofan]

Yes both Reps and Dems, it's a 2 party fix.

[@melanieearly3450]

@@Joedaniels007Late stage capitalism at that

[@nancymiller6969]

​@@Joedaniels007corrupted

[@wymans668]

Yes murder is wrong. But taking a person's money for decades while promising a service should the person need it then telling that person you will not honor your agreement when the time comes for that is wrong too.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

It sounds even more wrong, to me, actually. Prolonged lie of a murder, dangling health on a fishing line, denying you all with a bright happy smile when you need them to come through the most, with all your trust and payment to the system that relieves itself on your grave.

[@redstickham6394]

That's the insurance industry in general, not just health insurance.

[@lil1010devil]

These corporations are scared, and they should be.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

The same people insisting that murder is wrong also believe that killing is justifiable in self-defense and love the 2nd amendment interpreted in its most rampant absurd form possible

[@jinglejazz7537]

I'm Canadian, never paid a dime in healthcare costs, no premiums, no copays, care is excellent. Like all systems it has its problems. One that we don't have is having to argue with an insurance company that we pay hundreds a month in premiums and get denied, and if we are approved we don't have to pay a deductable. that's called extra billing and its illegal in Canada. Create an affordable system made in the USA. make it happen.

[@maryanneslater9675]

Well, we pay through our taxes, but we get our money's worth. We pay in taxes about as much as Americans pay in premiums, but we are never denied and never charged extra. Our contributions go to actual health care and health care infrastructure, not CEO and shareholder profits.

[@presidentwoodrow]

i wish we brits, canadians etc say free healthcare to american we should be saying free at the point of use

[@jinglejazz7537]

@presidentwoodrow true...I've never said it was free...we pay through taxes.

[@AegixDrakan]

Yeah, it's wild how our health system actually works for us (albeit still having some problems), and then just a couple hours to the south, there's the US which has an utterly busted system. :(

[@keithbaker7097]

American here. For every state rep and Congress member we have the drug companies have around 8 people in place to bribe them. That's not counting the insurance industry which is almost as powerful.

[@minhthamdangeli6316]

Thanks!

[@kurtwpg]

You can debate his morality, but he almost certainly saved >1 life.

[@JesseGraham-l9s]

No he didn't. The CEO got replaced by someone else. We have more children out there without a father because he got murdered and the healthcare still sucks.

[@verng8864]

@@JesseGraham-l9swrong. Since this "tragic" incident United has reduced its denial rate, Luigi has already saved lives.

[@NittyLittyNiturzion]

​@@JesseGraham-l9s you should see how quickly blue cross blue shield backtracked on their decision to limit anaesthesia payouts after this incident

[@JoeARedHawk275]

@@JesseGraham-l9sNah, a lot of healthcare companies got scared for a little while after his death. This one death resulted in an overall positive. He probably did save at least 1 life, but what’s more important is that he helped way more people. He also started raising class consciousness a little bit. Class consciousness is what these billionaires fear the most.

[@lynnez.2818]

Unfortunately, no, he did not save one life. The automatic AI program is still in place, automatically denying treatment every day in the name of profit for the corporation and shareholders.

[@plumbbobconstructionpants5599]

I didn't see a video of a crime being committed. I saw a video of justice being served.

[@technoloverish]

You probably support Ham@s too, so I’m not necessarily surprise that you defend Mangione

[@bifjvtqagg]

Brian Thompson himself was also to blame. Thank you, Luigi!

[@MauricedelTaco]

what is more evil than a healthcare CEO?

[@cathybutcher4826]

That's a hard one......

[@mapleleaf8948]

Their shareholders.

[@DanA-nl5uo]

Maybe Netanyahu but his death toll over a decade is lower.

[@DanA-nl5uo]

Maybe Israel???

[@caroljo420]

Maybe a leader of a cartel, but there's not much difference between the two.... 😢

[@benjones3466]

As someone looking in from the UK this is the most clarifying bit of information I've seen on the issue. Most of what I've seen has been performative shock at how a murder can be 'celebrated' alongside a rather sickeningly transparent attempt to crucify the suspect and forego a fair trial in the most public manner possible in a country that can do nothing about the massacre of children in its schools. Finally here's a poll that explains that people can of course have more than one opinion on an issue and recognise the role the flawed system played in contributing to the killing while not actually condoning murder.

[@robfritz841]

“Drug dealers get shot sometimes.” -Chris Rock

[@tomshady3530]

Good luck trying to find a juror not screwed over by a health insurance company. All 12 will walk in with that prejudice. Luigi will walk.

[@maxstone9148]

If OJ could walk then Luigi had better F'n walk!

[@XcelesteXmagixX]

Yeah, Legal Eagle said the jury could do that. "Yeah, he did it, but we don't care" and find him not guilty anyway (if unanimous). I think he called it jury nullification? They couldn't go after him if they do that. Double jeopardy and all that.

[@think2023]

Excellent point....and ZERO way prosecution can counter that lived reality. Sometimes things work out the way the should.

[@nicholaspizzo7900]

You’re mouth to God’s ear!

[@larryc1616]

Justified Justice. Not Guilty!

[@tobygreen7116]

If CEO’s did not “grift” people by delaying and denying while charging $800 a month they would not be murdered!!!

[@canesno1fan]

The same people shouting that ALL murder is wrong are also all for the death penalty

[@mgkrewson]

Thanks for staying on this story, Kyle. Please don’t let it die- the American people deserve justics

[@af2585]

yes. please stay on it

[@junanougues]

Medicare for All. Period. Yesterday.

[@sallyprzybil2404]

Medicare is not the best option the way it is……Medicare only partially pays…..you have to have a secondary insurance that pays too…even then between the two insurances you end up owing money….sometimes as much money, or more, than insurance has paid!

[@junanougues]

@@sallyprzybil2404 That's not a fact. It works great for indigent people. The problem is that nobody qualifies unless one is indigent. Go away, troll.

[@victoriousf.i.g.3311]

The only difference between the atrocities in the Iraq war committed by US troops and what Luigi did was that Luigi eliminated an actual threat to Americans.

[@randomguy1928]

"But but he's a father so he can't be blamed!!!" Libertarians and rich people.

[@JebusHypocristosX]

They are all libertarians from the safety of the US not from Somalia, ironically.

[@economobserv]

Not really libertarians.

[@technoloverish]

Yes, thigh based on his social media history, Mangione is himself a right-leaning libertarian

[@Joedaniels007]

​@@economobservyou are right. Libertarian is not a thing. Should be called "Racist PDFiles that like weed and don't want to be held accountable in any way."

[@MrMountainchris]

Libertarianism is the political philosophy of a child. Who care what those people think.

[@Kalepsis]

When justice fails completely, the only response the people have left is to fight injustice with injustice.

[@lyricofwise6894]

Fight injustice, with justice you mean

[@bobh9492]

We lost less than 60,000 ppl in vietnam dead in fifteen years..... we lose more than that each YEAR to insurance companies denying coverage to PAYING CUSTOMERS.... fuck em.

[@SanePerson1]

I had two reactions to the CEO killing: The first of which is not as cold as Kyle's: I didn't have "no sympathy" for the victim and his family, I do. But I did think, "I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner." However, my second reaction was "meaner", I suppose. A blogger I read said, "...the man just worked for the UHC organization. And these people think it's OK to kill him. He had a wife and two children!" To which I thought, "HE WAS THE FREAKIN' CEO, not just any guy who worked for UHC. And at least he will be survived by family who are undoubtedly quite wealthy, which means they are vastly better off than the people whose insurance claims UHC denies who end up dying ... and they're survived by families who have had to suffer during their illness and are very likely bankrupt."

[@Mr_Mendelli]

Too many forget, or attempt to shy away from the fact that we're animals. We live, we care, we make connections with others. Something many animals do, something else most animals do is lash out when cornered. Go ahead, keep pushing and see what happens when you corner _millions_ of us.

[@ravewithyou]

If murder is wrong and illegal, then, by the same logic, so is the health insurance industry.

[@noosphericaltarzan]

The only thing that is wild is that 31% of Americans are that naive.

[@changingworldllc1157]

Yeah! So true! F

[@kugelblitz7948]

This liberal is a murderer of a brave man who stood for patriotism and truth. God Trump will make sure that this never happens again. Praise be his name, amen.

[@Smallmouthbass]

It is 2 separate issues. 1 murder, 1 healthcare. The healthcare issue has been in the dark for a long time, now it's in the light. That's it. If my engineering design killed millions of people, I would expect to be blamed and would expect threats. P.S. the other day I heard mainstream media say "now is not the time to talk about healthcare".

[@veronicanne1]

They want to make an example of Luigi don’t kill people

[@zenwhitenoise7920]

If Luigi wanted to get away with murder, all he had to do was wear a suit and tie and write up the Terms and Conditions beforehand

[@gatesurfer]

My dad was a doctor at Kaiser, and so we grew up with Kaiser and were ignorant of this kind of health “insurance” company. When I told my mother about Brian Thompson and United Healthcare and its business model, her reaction was “is that legal?” Shows how this all was flying under the radar. People think about their own healthcare and not about the community at large. Which is exactly how United Healthcare wanted it, I’m sure.

[@andreah6379]

Americans only think about themselves! Very common. Whenever Rethuglicons threaten to cut or destroy Medicare or Social Security, ppl comment ALWAYS only talking about themselves and their problems forgetting the fact that 10s of millions of Americans--just like them, are ALSO in that same boat. Very short-sighted and myopic ppl we live around.

[@heatherpayne1995]

We've had Kaiser for 13 years but we had UHC before. I explained to my 20 year old daughter how the horrible amount of stress we had while dealing with UHC. She was shocked. She's enjoyed the excellent coverage from Kaiser for most of her life.

[@nancymiller6969]

And why unchecked capitalism does not work.

[@veronicanne1]

Excellent

[@da7382]

Individualism is bad

[@theunholinesswithin70]

What causes me to lose sleep is people in general not acting against crimes against humanity.

[@AndrosIslandZ]

The problem isn't the enterprising businesses taking advantage of our political/legal system. No one is held accountable for the many deaths from denied/delayed treatment but run a red light ....

[@dinahnicest6525]

KZbin would never allow me to post my thoughts on this matter.

[@danw6380]

Exactly. Google shareholders same as UHC shareholders.

[@confucioussay5010]

I have and those opinions magically disappear . 👍

[@NYCHighwheel]

They took down my first response. Nice centaur!

[@confucioussay5010]

There is no 1st amendment when rich people are worried for their safety from the poors.

[@larryc1616]

KZbin censorship is insane

[@Green_Expedition_Drgn]

Can't silence 70% of us‼️

[@lyndaproper1313]

I've just been censored for posting about how we learn sympathy for others when we are young. (It involved the phrase, "How do YOU like it when someone does that to you?") Is that childhood lesson truly incendiary? Is the golden rule revolutionary?

[@huizhechen3779]

@@lyndaproper1313 Is the golden rule revolutionary? When it makes the rich & powerful feel unsafe, yes.

[@AfonsoBucco]

but they will try to convince us the opposite, constantly repeating biased stories. They destroyed the reputations of lots of people that made people discuss about clear injustices made by big companies.

[@onlyonesky9611]

I am sure it’s 99.9 % not 69 %

[@namratabedi1496]

FREE LUIGI!!! Healthcare is to be blamed and need to put on trial.

[@coleydotmp4]

This just in - the justice department determines 69% of americans are terrorist sympathizers because of their sympathy for Luigi's actions.

[@Joedaniels007]

I wish. Maybe the average Aмєгісцсккк would start being less terrible "people".

[@lisalamb4559]

WELP ! Who's bringing the dips to he release party?

[@zip10031]

A large proportion of the USA are deranged at this point, yes. But this is nothing to celebrate, because it points to a horrific future for the country as a whole. Although I guess if you are anti-USA, it is something to celebrate.