Shocking! 20% of Chinese Students Abroad Expelled , Nearly Half for for Exam Cheating, Paper Fraud

"In 2023, one-fifth of Chinese international students were expelled from foreign universities. This news is reported everywhere. I have to say they deserved it. Over the past three years of the pandemic, many Chinese students exploited numerous loopholes. With all exams shifted online, what are they good at? Cheating, buying test papers, buying answers, and buying grades. They shouldn't have been at those universities in the first place, but they managed to buy their way through. So, what else can be done other than expelling them?”
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[@billmunch9623]

I taught in China for 13 years. All of them thought they were going to Harvard or Yale while not a single one of them had the ability. They're not the brightest students on Earth.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

may i ask why do they think so?

[@brutusthebuttress1476]

Because they are simple minds

[@babyshaya]

​@@brutusthebuttress1476it's because they're rich. Some parents will donate 40 million and that is an automatic seat

[@brutusthebuttress1476]

@babyshaya real

[@LittleMew133]

Depends. I know about 25 or so Chinese, probably more but cannot remember on the top of my head. Most of them don't really have abilities to operate independently in society. They rely heavily on their parents and services (some already mentioned in the video). But the few that do have abilities, really excel. Know a Chinese kid that won regional math competitions and went to MIT. Another really networks and work for US economic department. But if we're talking about average IQ across population, I would not say Chinese have the highest average IQ out of the bunch.

[@SlingbladeJim]

the chinese motto on ethics..........IF YOU CAN CHEAT...CHEAT.........this is from the chinese

[@danielb7253]

hence fake foods, fake everything....cheat!!!

[@dingdongchingchong8659]

Sounds like Muslims with 4 wives on the welfare. If you can get single mum x3, GET IT! 😂😂😂

[@wsrtwetr]

Indians have the same philosophy too

[@ChairmanMo]

Hundreds of years of poverty, imperialism, corrupt governments (KMT/Warlord era) plus the CPC culture has destroyed common decency in the Chinese people.

[@kadavercade3597]

@@wsrtwetr Indians have a better philosophy in life, Mao ruined everything.

[@ighdesigns]

If they catch 25%, you can be sure the actual number is much higher.

[@arfajob4246]

Enrolment fees, glorious fees. 🤗🤗

[@ILovePancakes24]

Probably closer to 60%

[@mysock351C]

Oh they are congenital cheaters. When I went to college they would pass answers around, try to get exams ahead of time, copy each others homework, skip everything but what they had to do. It got so bad that in grad school one of my professors failed them all en-masse so their visas would be revoked as an act of revenge.

[@ybet1000]

@@arfajob4246 yeah.. and failing students doesn't encourage students to study there.. some put their academic staff on contracts... and if they fail too many "paying' students their contracts aren't renewed... they are all playing the game

[@arfajob4246]

@@ybet1000 I do not doubt that for one millisecond. 👍

[@virgilio0616]

If the well known motto, "If you can cheat, then cheat." is accepted and encourage in China, what do you expect?

[@jayc1139]

Oof just imagine...they have no idea if their own doctor cheated or not just to pass vs. actually learning how the body works to help people.

[@psithurismique]

Cutting corners in everything is their way of life

[@tarapapi]

they throw shame on the one getting cheated rather the one doing the cheating

[@conradnelson5283]

This is why they have a tofu dreg society

[@RUHappyATM]

I think that motto is worldwide, not just in China.

[@blackbelt2000]

I had a chynese classmate in grad school and we worked on a group project together with a couple other people. Her contribution to the written portion of the project that she was responsible for was just a word-for-word copy of something off the internet. No analysis, no anything other than a copy and paste. She couldn't comprehend what plagiarism was.

[@realist7239]

these Mutants are all NPC's

[@rgncal4872]

You mean Chinese? You are the one that went to grad school so I’d think your spelling would be A1.

[@blackbelt2000]

@@rgncal4872 It is, I spell it that way on purpose.

[@danielb7253]

she knew..she pretended to save face

[@Calmly-replied111]

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones 😮 !!! Grad student who can not write properly 🫠

[@AltayDagli-y1z]

Cheating is an integral part of the Mainland Chinese culture. When a Chinese says sorry, he generally means he is sorry he is caught, not sorry for what he has done wrong.

[@DennistheMenace2011]

and he/she may even bribe you to work together and continue cheating!

[@marjhuncantago9476]

that's why Qing is poisoned by mercury, with their fake scholars and alchemist. well there is real one who took all their efforts into nothingness.

[@LittleMew133]

The CCP turned ancient teachings on its head, and called that progress.

[@tomsuh1362]

More like cheating is a Gen Z thing aross all countries and cultures.

[@mustaphamond5819]

Wow thats racist

[@FlyingImmortal]

My daughter went to the university of Arizona with them. She said that is all they do......cheat .

[@realist7239]

these people are ALL scammers

[@johntang4108]

Cheating is a buzz word to success. So many Indian are working very hard as slave aboard but still cannot make their country great again tell us the truth.

[@wonyliv_]

what?@@realist7239

[@jamesly2307]

@@realist7239 😂😂😂

[@marjhuncantago9476]

@@realist7239 obviously they are, look at WPS issues, they manage to show their face international saying the territory is theirs and not philippines, while international law favors philippines about eez

[@MrKbtor2]

I caught several Chinese student blatantly cheating on multiple occasions while in China and they and the school didn't give a crap. Just told me to scold and re-test. I currently have students from Vietnam and they are disappointingly the same. I think it speaks to culture and generational value issues. Don't get me wrong, North American students do it rampantly as well (way more so than before). The difference is when they're caught they at least know it's wrong and don't negotiate a way out. My Chinese and Vietnamese students seem to think "what's the big deal? I was just trying to get a good result (without the work)".

[@annelyncerbas4543]

Oh the Philippines they said according to the survey that we are not even competent to the international studies but i think we are better than them because here the teachers will not allow thier students to cheat. In my school years my teacher would even give different test papers to each one of us, so how can you cheat 😂we finished college with our hardwork burning our midnight torch. When i come home during weekends my mother always scolded me because when she arrived from our Richfield and sugar cane plantation im sleeping then i will explain to her that i didn't have enough sleep during school days. During those times my class starts at 7am and ends at 8.30pm sometimes and after that i need to study at night. In that hectic schedule of mine i still have managed to join the school choir

[@BizzeeB]

It's all of Asia. I worked in Korea 15 years ago and they had college application writing services for international students even then.

[@dukezinnia1667]

To be fair some of it is trying to dig their way out from under a mental health crisis precipitated by not understanding the material. Cheating will always be there so long as the material is hard. What these students need to do is take a break and accept failure as a legitimate option and most importantly get professional help. But the people who cheat willy nilly and do so brazenly there is no saving.

[@MrKbtor2]

@@dukezinnia1667 Agreed, unfortunately when cheaters succeed they set an unrealistic expectations for well-intentioned, hard-working students that follow.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

and social media says Chynese are Respectable race. my @$$ and not just that, didn't CEO of Tiktok is also Vietnamese that link to espionage in the west by selling sensitive data(s) to Byted@nce? guess what, they are same freak(@g race afterall.

[@BalmoralBaal]

Rich kids with easy access to high education in china and outside are paying the price while the poor and talented are excluded!!

[@wonyliv_]

That's how it works. Rich people who may not be talented, work hard. they end up being more intelligent to those who are poor and talented.

[@Nisaaaaaaa23]

@@wonyliv_ not really...them mostly not intelligent ,, just more cunning

[@utubesucks9302]

Poor students study to better their life while rich students just live a good life

[@sylviahawton5411]

Makes you wonder how their parents got their wealth.

[@sylviahawton5411]

Now I know those dramas are mostly CCP propaganda. 😏

[@kmg501]

This is not surprising to me. I happen to work with Chinese shops here in NYC and so I know that they do everything they can to not pay taxes through illicit means.

[@KodibearIndigo]

The IRS will pay you money for helping them arrest such individuals. If I were you I would be making bank.

[@realist7239]

these people are ALL scammers

[@gknkrnkjgjugjrgjrng]

cry more@@realist7239

[@Minnie--ru2ew]

That’s why they want you to pay cash. So they will not report it to the IRS. if you use credit card, they will charge you a certain percentage that they are charged by the credit card company. Which means to say, they haven’t even paid those fees. They charge you more plus the cc charge. That’s how sneaky they are. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

@@realist7239 I remember a Costumer of mine, has Philippines Businesses that run on technology and accessories, they we're renting a space from a mall, then suddenly the owner urges them to GET OUT THE PLACE! as they go out and sadden to situation, later they know that the Chinese who been interacting with for past months about the profit and business perspective in that place was the one who will replace them. NEVER TRUST CHYNESE! that's the lesson. i forgot to mention the owner of the place is also Chynese.

[@lalida6432]

i was in graduate school. A Chinese professor from another department called me out of the blue and asked me if I could tutor a Chinese student who was in my program. I said I’d be happy to help. I scheduled a session with her, but when the time came, she didn’t show up. Two hours later, she called me saying she overslept. I was kind-hearted and rescheduled. The second time, she came over (late also) and we started. I explained to her how I studied in the class and went over my notes. We studied public administration and alot of the knowledge was based on a foundation of American history. I realized she had no clue about anything American. I lent her some of my notes telling her I wanted them back. That was stupid of me, because I never heard back from her and never got my notes back. I’m Asian (American) but not Chinese. I think I was targeted.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

i think my uncle is also targeted by chinese supervisor in their school.

[@funpau7549]

Hope your story will raise awareness for other professors. So sad distrust became the norm, we are being infiltrated so much it’s changing our culture and morale.

[@NeoFreezz]

cheating students should just have their student visa revoked and sent back to whatever country they came from, opening up the spot for someone else that ACTUALLY wants to learn

[@kevlark3184]

Lol if you're not cheating you're not trying. Most Americans don't even muster the effort to cheat. They just scream racism or change their pronoun for a couple of days. At least you never see chinese males in women's sports like white people

[@tomsuh1362]

What are they really going to learn in these woke western university? How many genders are there?

[@raevj]

Or more US born instead who don’t get in bc of Chinese bribing Harvard.

[@sc3304]

I was a bit surprised when my Chinese classmate who had recently completed a masters , was unable to cope with a couple of hours of conversational English and trip to Starbucks. It was suspicious to say the least.

[@etuanno]

I had a Chinese dude, who had his masters degree im chemistry, supervise us in an experiment at the University of Bern, Switzerland. Long story short, he could barely speak english, let alone explain to us what exactly we were doing.

[@cmaven4762]

The ability to SPEAK English is not the same as the ability to read or even write English. This is true for pretty much any language learned second hand. Not being able to participate in oral conversation is not a sign in and of itself that someone is dishonest or disingenuous.

[@Gsoda35]

that is not an excuse or an explanation to the other problems though.

[@Lifeoutback220]

@sc3304 @sc3304 In China most students are taught to read and write English to pass the exams but little time if any is spent on oral English. However there is a large number of student who do practice oral English on their own and can speak and understand English quite well. Thanks to the American TV show Friends.😂😂😂

[@cacogenicist]

Chinese students are given every benefit of the doubt at US universities, including with respect to their English abilities. Their papers are graded very leniently, their professors are very accommodating. ... this is because they pay very high international tuition rates. The universities don't want to get off that Chinese tuition gravy train. So Chinese students are not dismissed lightly. Korean student international tuition is very important to universities as well, but in my experience they work very hard, even if their English isn't always quite where it should be. Same for Japanese students, although their English is usually worse than Korean students'.

[@sogawa7]

Letting them graduate and returning them will only promote a corrupt society, and even if they get a job overseas their inability to do the job will soon be exposed.

[@ronnelacido1711]

The result is the tofu dreg projects China is infamous for.

[@janicewolk6492]

But this undermines China directly. Cheating means they don't know how to create computer chips. When I was a young girl, I wanted to attend Harvard. No go, as I was a white girl.

[@arfajob4246]

"..... their inability to do the job will soon be exposed." 😂😂 Spot on, funny you should point this out. Have you worked with them plastic engineers by chance? Commiserations.

[@lo6291]

Probably won't be exposed as it is assumed they are intelligent and can the job by being born Chinese.

[@tomsuh1362]

They learn that from the corrupt Western society .

[@TALKIN-AN-Cookin92]

I remember when I was in college, I had all these Asians surrounding me, who just wanted to copy my work, and because I had a crush on one of the Asian dude I was okay with it. My teacher at the time moved me to another desk because he thought I was going to cheat off of the Asian kids during a test, and when I moved I saw the panics on their faces lol. But it just pissed me off that he automatically assumed that I was going to be the one cheating off them 🙄

[@TheZeek011]

Lol, it's the innocent "Asian" stereotype, they are harmless Angels, and very honest. My ass.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

​@@TheZeek011 Philippinoes are truly angels, some are devils,| but Chynese are worst than devil tho, even devils are scared of them. because why not, chynese possessed more than 100 demon inside them

[@seriouscat2231]

@@TheZeek011, hey. An entire continent full of anime characters.

[@MeiinUK]

And that is how I lost my jobs here too. I was technically manipulated from my positions... And the local recruiters often laps it up a lot. I get it all now why... The hacking or the copying comes from now.

[@Gsoda35]

enabling the copying of your work is essentially enabling someone else to potentially cheat so don't take it too hard. we all make mistakes.

[@Pretzil43]

I can't believe 4/5 Chinese students haven't been caught yet

[@ryananderson5202]

Just like woman lol

[@bonerici]

lol

[@CurrentlyBlazed]

​@@ryananderson5202 What?

[@GreedomWorldwide]

🎯

[@mariocoronel8445]

😂😂😂

[@marusia1533]

As a student in France (finance accounting and business management ) I was shocked by the fact that a group of Chinese students from a private school, speaking almost no word in French, during the exams obtained better grades in all subjects including those requiring write essays and analyze French law texts. Especially when I saw that they handed blank sheets of paper. The private school in China had to provide good bribes for my university 😅

[@meangreen6044]

So apparently affirmative action is ok as long as it benefits Chinese

[@adriannolee]

plagiarism at higher education level correlates to plagiarism at industry level. Shocker.

[@williamritchie693]

I mean living here in China it’s not about hard work it’s about cheating or copying. I have friends who proudly claim their children cheated in uni and got their degrees.

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

Imagine your friends child become a surgeon. 😱😱😱

[@marjhuncantago9476]

@@heribertosarmiento1265

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@heribertosarmiento1265 southeast asian here. my lecturer mother's also lecturer friend was weeping one day in the past because she's teaching in one of the country's leading medical undergrad and the students scored, like, 2 out of 10 for the chem subjects. yep. nope.

[@Ebani]

​@@heribertosarmiento1265 I mean if you can just "copy"a surgical operation then you probably are talented beyond belief. You should have gone for a less physically tested career 😂

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

@@MagisterialVoyagernow that’s freaking scary. That a medical student would score that low and try to become a doctor 😱😱

[@Ravalin]

I grew up in an area with a high chinese population, and used to hang out with some (at school as their parents don't let their kids hang out with "round eyes") and was surprised how many of them flat out cheat in school.

[@bunnycat24]

round eyes? do they have a prejudice against that??? wow

[@adrone123]

@@bunnycat24Oh, big time! Round eye has been a prejudiced expression for westerners for hundreds of years.

[@Ravalin]

@@bunnycat24chinese are some of the most xenophobic people around.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

can you imagine them "immigrants" setting a China Town in Philippines but not allowed pilipinoes to enter there and says "Only Chinese Allowed" WOW~ Racist.

[@jumpingjohnflash]

​​@@bunnycat24 Many Mainland Chinese are extremely racist, and unlike Western countries it isn't taboo to act on it on either. Ask any Chinese what they think about black people, or Indians or if in New Zealand ask them their views about Maori people.

[@CH-vr2dl]

their parents was raised in a govt that does not have integrity .. what made you think these spoiled brats have it.

[@hitest8925]

Taught high school math and physics in international schools across China for six years. Half the schools were paper mills for the thick and rich, looking to avoid the Gaokao ( Chinese version of SAT 普通高等学校招生全国统一考试.). The other half were great students with definite academic interests who were interested in learning .Rich people buy privilege all over the world.

[@elverdad6805]

You're right. I saw this in Romania too.

[@QQ-qz5ft]

Went to college at top 1% school. At the time it was 50% foreign students, ‘cause diversity is our strength. Many of the students couldn’t speak English. Not joking or exaggerating. I helped grade papers for some history classes, for papers written in class.. which is how I found out they didn’t speak English. Professor asked me to speak to a few of the students that were failing, to see if I could help. One girl could literally only say ‘my name is Claire’. That was it. She ended up passing the class of course, because diversity is our strength. I moved to another country for a job later on and met a girl from my school that graduated with a doctorates in biology I think it was. I didn’t know her from school, but found out we went to the same school. She couldn’t speak English beyond greetings, and naming a few foods. Money talks. Crime pays.

[@haroldhahn7044]

Your "top 1% school" was just going for the highest profit it could rake in!

[@tomsuh1362]

They learn that from the West so enjoy your diversity.

[@meangreen6044]

They went after affirmative action so rich Chinese can take all the spots soon they will want the white people gone and only Chinese

[@MrCenturion13]

Diversity is our strength. It used to be ignorance. Or have we always been at war with Eastasia?

[@zenon7094]

Cheating in China is not a bug. It is a feature of the system.

[@Gsoda35]

just like the Chinese cheating simulator which might actually exist.

[@thelen93]

In one of my college class, I had to do a group project with 3 chinese international student and one Chinese American. All 3 international students wouldn't do the work. The American Chinese and I ended up doing the entire project and during our presentation, we gave them note cards for the parts they were assigned to present. They couldnt even read the note cards. It was just gibberish. I dont think they can even read English.

[@meangreen6044]

They literally are buying their way into American colleges taking spots away from poor Americans

[@donaldmaxie5264]

Do you want to go to a doctor who cheated his way through medical school??? You want to cross a bridge every day that was designed by an engineering graduate who couldn't do structural calculations??? Just a couple of examples most everyone can relate to.

[@jayc1139]

Probably explains their current infrastructure collapsing (on top of bad materials), as well as their healthcare issues at the moment.

[@donaldmaxie5264]

​@@jayc1139True, when profit trumps quality, courners will be cut.

[@meangreen6044]

Lmfao you’re already talking about China!

[@blogusvox]

You just broke the myth about Chinese being excellent students. But the Chinese stereotype of copying everything is strong as ever. 😂

[@mroeplz]

American born Chinese are good students and no different from their peers. A lot of ABCs look down on mainland Chinese.

[@kevlark3184]

They make garbage copies and you still buy em.

[@kevlark3184]

@mroeplz cheating or not, asian Americans still succeed where other peoples fail. You still need brains to cheat. Scientific advances and shortcuts I will argue are ways to cheat nature.

[@MeiinUK]

@@mroeplz : That is because they are in their own hometowns.... and living near their parents. So... and they know that to learn, is to be in a job in the future cos they have created policies on qualification. Which didn't exist before. But many mainland students are rich, and has money. So to get educated to get a job, to earn more. But why? You already have the money. You don't even need the qualification ! lol..... " YOU ARE RICH....."... Some parents get it. Some doesn't. lol.... They don't get.. what to do... So they just follow whatever issue, or options that is available. Whereas... most American kids, would get their lecturing every day like we do here in the UK. Cos we have a heavy bureacratic democratic system whereby we have been paying gazillion taxes and taxes.. for years and years.. and we have to keep the wheel going.. and going... So.. that is why we do it. But these kids doesn't know that they need to do that. Cos they just want the money.

[@RUHappyATM]

There are a lot of Chinese outside the PRC. Which Chinese are you referring to?

[@AI-cp1jg]

Hmm, fake food, fake cars and now fake grades...

[@pinkturtle2016]

Fake everything

[@kevlark3184]

And I would say fake racism but the racism is obviously real in this case

[@barbiegirll7299]

Billions of them believe in cheating this can’t be good …

[@Veltrosstho]

Millions. Not billions. Yes, it is different. Yes, it matters. A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 32 years.

[@seagl4ss]

@@Veltrossthobrilliant example

[@realist7239]

these people are ALL scammers

[@Minnie--ru2ew]

@@Veltrossthowhat’s the difference? A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. No negotiations on that. Period!

[@theMyouknow]

No wonder their buildings are falling down, if they cut corners in school they will cut corners at work.

[@jeffderice753]

The fact a college degree alone doesn't guarantee employment, makes taking academics seriously a joke. The effort doesn't equate to the output.

[@patrickt49]

These Chinese should abandon all hope. Unless they are well connected, the best they can hope for is an entry level job paying minimum wage which is very low in China

[@cultusdeus]

Depends on the degree. Most STEM majors will be pretty well paid.

[@MrPINKFL0YD]

You obviously have no idea what integrity is for the university

[@wonyliv_]

The effort always will never equate to a certain output.

The fact the thing you tend to gain is indoctrination and contacts...

[@buyahondasupercub]

When I was first year in university I received an email totally in Chinese advertising a cheating service. They said they'd do my homework and assignments, etc, if I pay. Probably sent it to me because I have an asian sounding name. They're not even trying to hide it.

[@bellatam_]

Yes, I receive those sorts of emails like twice a month, I like to imagine they have a database of all potential Asian students. They are also really prevalent on Instagram and will keep requesting to follow you

[@johnylee9896]

See I knew it chinese govt hacking our records it's violation of our personal security , ok I may sound exaggerating I know our govt do this all time but if some else did to us it's fill so wrong, spying on students and collecting details with out permission, imagine one of student was activist against CCP what they would do to them.

[@williamthomson6042]

I used to teach them English at University. You have no idea how much some universities bend over backward for students who do not belong and it was obvious which ones cheated and which ones didn't. This video should be renamed 'No Shit Sherlock'

[@seekthetruth1478]

This ís because universities have become addicted to and are highly dependent on the $$$$$$.

[@kensmith8152]

What kills me is that when writing a paper all you have to do is cite your sources!

[@cultusdeus]

I know! All you have to do is put in references! 😅😅😅

[@politesmile7812]

“If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying“ -Sun Tzu probably

[@BubbaLuv-h8j]

Wow. 😂😂😂😂. He correct. Sun tzu knew his enemies ain't smart as him. Interesting.

[@marjhuncantago9476]

@@BubbaLuv-h8j yah, Qing is stupid S43T

[@kael070]

*Deceit is overpowered, abuse it until they nerf it next patch" Sun Tzu

[@marjhuncantago9476]

@@kael070 Chynese Packsheet ideology.

[@lorrainekelton6425]

What good is a degree if you don't have the knowledge that goes with it. It can get you a job but if you can't do the job, you will be fired.

[@incomingincoming1133]

If you have the job but can't do the job, you get much more aggressive towards ppl who have the ability, and defend your job with much more force. You also ensure that you are surrounded only by ppl who are loyal to you, or you choose other cheaters who you have leverage over because you know or helped their cheating.

[@kevlark3184]

@@incomingincoming1133 sounds like whites and blacks today

[@Pfsif]

"If you can cheat....cheat". Chinese proverb.

[@Waverlyduli]

能片就騙 (Cheat if you can get away with it).

[@wsrtwetr]

Know a Taiwanese who spend 6 years in uni for a 2 year course because of her English. But she expects people to lower the bar for her and made no effort to improve. The uni gave her the easiest placement when it comes to practicum. She is now a license allied health professional who can't even wrote a sentence without severe grammatical error. Also she is now claiming she is autistic...

[@everythingisfine9988]

Pro-scammer

[@sylviahawton5411]

Like most of our medical system in the west.

[@kevlark3184]

I read your testimony thoroughly. You're not much better in grammar or vocabulary.

[@LittleMew133]

Live action: "Boohoo, why am I in the bottom 10 percentile. Those other people should fail too, so the distribution curve have me as the mean. Waaaahhh"

[@padgaprao2617]

I teach at a university in Australia and I see a greater number than 25% of Chinese students cheating They just don’t get expelled I see them handing In reports that they cannot even read back to me :-( Then the say Australia is racist because they cannot obtain a decent Job with a degree Why ? Because it’s common knowledge what they do

[@jeciel85]

All cheaters should be expelled.

[@DonkeyHotey-l2e]

No need. They already self-expel themselves from the rest of life. No one trusts their fake credentials. Being Chinese itself is enough to suspect they cheated to get where they are and that their academic credentials will be hollow or fake. For the same reason in the US, people don't want doctors from India, Pakistan, or Africa. The suspicion is that they were hired for skin color, not competence.

[@maxrebo8455]

Melbourne, Aus city centre is heaving with mainlander uni students and most of them can barely string a coherent English sentence together. The unis got drunk on all those full fee payers and I’ve no doubt they get passes regardless of their output, attendance ect.

[@BizzeeB]

I went to university in Melbourne - those universities would be insolvent without Asian international student fees, so the unis don't care at all what the students do once they get there. I did a postgraduate course and half of the students in my program were Asian and didn't even possess a level of spoken English (much less written) that would allow them to complete the coursework. But not a single one failed.

[@Young-io5yt]

The University heads are White folks and they have no integrity or honor

[@maxrebo8455]

@@BizzeeB Money talks, after all. Those unis got a rude reality check during COVID, cutting loyal staff and shelving courses but they've just reverted back to the business model they had before once borders opened. Nothing’s changed. From what I understand there's always the nerdier ones who can speak great English (usually English enthusiasts) who take the notes and do hard yards then make a nice little side income in sharing the material. Meanwhile a large percentage act like they're on holiday, shopping, eating out, sightseeing and the curious pasttime of sleeping in libraries which left me to study on the floor at times. There's a website about that actually.

[@tomsuh1362]

Isn't Western free capitalist economy great? As long as money keeps flowing into a business, you will accept any type of customer and their bad behaviors.

[@MeiinUK]

​@@BizzeeB: Imagine you are trying to become a doctor.. are you going to bluff your way through and kill somebody ??....

[@levant5378]

The thing is, once they go home, they are unemployable

[@BizzeeB]

If they're rich, they don't have to work.

[@seriouscat2231]

They just own stuff and do whatever they want.

[@garatobra2504]

Not really, They can work the counters of KFC and ask the customers "what do you want" in perfect English.

[@gardenjoy5223]

They take up office In the culture, that privileges them, and let the people under them do all the real work.

[@MeiinUK]

People study here to get a job. These kids, they don't just need a job. Their parents own the darn chains... And more... They are uber rich. By their own standards. More than most kids....

[@cultusdeus]

"Just buy it." This is the Chinese default answer for many things.

[@EstradaDuran-sg6co]

you must be poor

[@gondorianslayer4250]

​@@EstradaDuran-sg6coso the whole world is worthless who is not Chinese? Way to insult to everyone.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@EstradaDuran-sg6co, he must be honest.

[@kevlark3184]

It may be their answer. They make garbage but Americans are stupid enough to buy it.

[@Gsoda35]

too bad they are running out of cash after being dependent on temporary help from outside investors. their economy is a half-baked cake.

[@dr.merlot1532]

Same with Chinese academics. They will put their names in papers they did not write.

[@htee7426]

I’m an online English teacher. Young Chinese students tell me their parents are buying their IELTS and previously GAC certificates so they can study abroad. If this is so culturally acceptable, it’s unsurprising they cheat at university. Where I live in SE Asia, plagiarism is virtually unheard of and, if you can cheat and don’t, you are thought strange. Some local teachers actively encourage students to cheat as the teachers are judged on their student’s results. I’m not sure the two cultures are compatible.

[@jayc1139]

IELTS? Doesn't that become an obvious problem to buy, when if they're tested in their English skills, they can't speak English at all? Shouldn't that be obvious to them? Practical application of English will make it known they're lying...that seems to go over their head.

[@MeiinUK]

It is against the laws here in the west. Because the future depends on you. Imagine you are to become a doctor. Or a nurse. By not being able to speak properly. Then what do you suppose you will be doing when at work ?.....

[@noniboo1521]

And these are the same people who came after minority atudents for AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. 😂

[@GreedomWorldwide]

Say it again 💯

[@ElijahChen-v9y]

these are international students, not asian american students

[@tomsuh1362]

Diversity are making Western countrie great just look at US now. You got a third world country type government messing up a whole country.

[@raevj]

No, same ethnicity but Mainland Chinese-raised are not who sued…the ones who did HATE cheating..DEI is like legal cheating.

[@DerpDerp27]

​@@ElijahChen-v9yboth came for affirmative action

[@wel2myworld]

All I learned from school or campus was cheating is bad, but if you get caught it's worst

[@BizzeeB]

I'm surprised it's only 20%. I work with international students and literally none of the Chinese students who arrive to the US belong in the institutions that have accepted their applications.

[@raevj]

They get multiple chances to reform..some do & don’t get expelled, the numbers ARE much higher than 20% who do this.

[@HikaruRain]

So many students, not just Chinese students, cheat with online classes. Were they not supposed to sit the tests in person? All my online classes that I ever took made us sit all tests our midterms and finals in person. We all got a specific day in a small group and had to sit in the hallway right out side our Professors office so he could watch us and so we could not cheat.

[@BR-hi6yt]

I am surprised - I always thought Chinese students were hard working and successful.

[@realist7239]

the myth is collapsing, they are all wicked scammers

[@katherinelok7689]

That was back in the days before ccp took over

[@houlej19]

They probably where like that for real to proove themselves. Studying in abroad was a rarer privilege

[@1alayzzia]

You are thinking of Japan

[@nfuryboss]

Chinese are famous for copying and cloning.

[@GreedomWorldwide]

Guess that Affirmative Action wasn’t enough huh? Pathetic.

[@meangreen6044]

They wanted affirmative action for Chinese and Asian only, remove the blacks and Hispanics, then pay their way into college spots

[@WUSTL7]

Affirmative action sucks

[@mikegardens]

I've taught at a very prominent university in California for several years. I can't speak to cheating, but the last class I taught, I was surprised by the lack of effort and work ethic by the two Chinese students in the class. One slept often in class, and the other had issues with attendance. Both made excuses for not meeting the very clear expectations I went over clearly in the syllabus.

[@cmaven4762]

There's a whole generation of Chinese students whose reaction to workaholic parents is to do nothing. They even have a slang for it, "lying flat". While not every Chinese student is like this, enough of them in the last 5-10 years have been this way to make it a hallmark of their generation.

[@stephanievaladez5286]

I know well this to be true. I went to undergrad with many Asians and Chinese who cheated. It's rare to find one who is honest. There are honesty ones out there.

[@kevlark3184]

Your people aren't the most honest either. But I give you respect. Most people speaking here have no photo to show.

[@stephanievaladez5286]

Yes. You are right. All people. As I mentioned, some are honest and some aren't and I know this to be fact.

[@gibbogle]

The smarter students don't get caught.

[@tomsuh1362]

Bingo! and that applies to every skin colors as well.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

As a Chinese man, I'd like to remind everyone that not every Chinese person is a cheater.

[@jessejames8900]

Not all, but most.

[@DrLA-db8kk]

Of course. NO ONE would accept his or her people as cheaters, any more than YOU do. That is NOT the bone of contention here. The mere REPORTED fact that 1/5th of Chinese students were expelled was NEVER an indication that every Chinese person is a cheater, NOR an indictment of ALL Chinese people. It is nonetheless a concern, that such should be SQUARELY looked at and not swept under the rug, under the guise of avoiding generalities by flaunting rare exceptions.

[@kevinchen1788]

Firstly, don't call him a rare exception. Secondly, I don't think he's addressing the topic of the video, but some peoples inevitable toxic reactions in this comment section making sweeping generalizations and fueling stigma against us. Though it may not be that productive to the main conversation, I think someone needs to say it unfortunately.

[@tomsuh1362]

@@DrLA-db8kk Focus on your own political leaders first if you want to address cheaters. The Chinese just follows what is trendy from the West.

[@raevj]

@@kevinchen1788 we know there are some very great students..but more often than not…they are not in our experience.

[@SomethingNewAMBW]

as a former educator, i totally agree. i bumped heads with principal all THE TIME when i taught over there memorization and drilling is ALL they do, if you tell em to come up with something ORIGINAL......nothing but "buffering" and/or stuck.

[@porcelaincrown]

Man have you even taught Chinese students? I've taught them before and they're plenty creative and very funny but because of the language barrier people suddenly think they're egregious brainwashed people of the ccp. It's sad honestly. You should be ashamed as an educator to make such a sweeping allegation of 1.4b people.

[@balexic]

I’m retired from a very large university in Canada. The student discipline department was part of the office I worked in. When that office was busy, I would sometimes have to attend student trials assisting the overflow of cases. Since I was working in the governance section of the university I would see 100% of the cases in paper work format . They were always confidential, but I had access to this material for governance purposes. After a while I noticed that the bulk of these cases involved foreign students. I assumed they were mostly Chinese, but a colleague in that department told me… it was mostly South Koreans. People should not assume that only orientals cheat. It is widespread. Foreign students get caught more often for deficiencies in cultural and linguistic skills, which are not at the same level as domestic students. In other words white kids are better at evading detection than foreigners. Regardless the cases were very sad indeed. I absolutely hated assisting this department. Luckily I only had to fill in when my colleague was on vacation and if it was busy. I probably attended 15 cases in total over 11 years. As one colleague said to me… it would have been easier if the student just put in the effort to study instead. She was referring to a student that had gone to great lengths to break into a room where exams were kept. The entire thing was caught on video (and presented at the trial). I had no idea anyone could do that with a coat hanger!

[@tomsuh1362]

Everyone cheats to get to the top. It just human nature.

[@balexic]

@@tomsuh1362 There are others that believe in the Shakespeare quote “to thine own self be true”. Would you want a doctor operating on you that cheated? Worse would you want to be married to someone that cheated? Cheating undermines all that has been built. It erodes our trust and our governments. It’s a cancer that slowly eats away at everything we value and trust.

[@MeiinUK]

​@@tomsuh1362: The student was stealing exam papers.... Lol.... He's bringing shame to his own family... Lol.... If you are not the best. It doesn't matter. We are all here to learn. Anyway, there are old past papers that you can use, and you can indeed test yourself and make yourself remember something. My basic point had always been.. if you could teach something, then you have internalised that something.

[@merrydaye4763]

Shocked, international tuitions are massive money makers. Large chunk of AU is dependent on it, not just the Universities.

[@Vainashell]

What is the point of the education if you don’t get the education yourself. Is that why there are incompetent and unqualified people in positions of power and authority mishandling economic policies, geopolitical policies, the financial sector, the industrial sector, the real estate sector and trade and so forth?

[@raevj]

Xi Jinping paid for his academic “accomplishments” too….as do many there from the top down.

[@Fuxy22]

Makes sense... Chinese usually tend to take it easy in university but US schools tend to get harder and harder the higher the education. It doesn't match. The Chinese philosophy of if you can cheat then cheat doesn't really work out as well in the west. Corruption and bribery is just not that common for average people.

[@Shinobubu]

Imagine cheating in a study that you need for a job. Wasting your tuition just to get fired for incompetence. You lose twice!

[@adavirus69]

How can people who took the hardest university entrance exam in the world have such low grades?

[@raevj]

They cheated on the exam…duh.

[@DirkDigglerExtreme]

If you fail the Gaokao, you can go to a foreign university instead of a Chinese one and still get a good job when you graduate. Surprise, surprise, a high percentage of Chinese students studying abroad don't test well.

[@seekthetruth1478]

It's called $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@Lifeoutback220]

​@@DirkDigglerExtreme That is true, also many Officials send their Children 富二代 abroad to study so that any scandals will not be reported in China,

[@chongtak]

I have spent more than 20 years in educational environment, and I have always seen Chinese cheating or trying to cheat.

[@chinaiscommittinggenocidei4924]

This is no surprise to me. The chinese students in my class straight up brag about copying other peoples papers online and one of my classmates openly tried to bribe one of our teachers...cheating is just so common and normalized there its disgusting.

[@2l84t]

Dishonesty is a central theme of Chinese society.

[@cece121234]

This is how these kids were raised. They don't know any better. Sad, really.

[@DrLA-db8kk]

I taught Chemistry & Physics in two Chinese public schools, and I can POSITIVELY say that the cheating on their SAT exams was blatant and shameless. A couple of students made it to the University of Arizona, because their Daddy had the money. But, MY GOD, they cannot even say Arizona correctly, let alone the course they will be taking ('Psychological will be my course.") I even placed bets on how SHORT their stay in ANY Western University was going to be. I WON THE BET, EACH AND EVERY TIME!

[@FongZiBarclay]

the same applies for my country. we have chinese students who have been studying here for years, only mixed around with their own. can't even pronounce "hamburger" while ordering from McDonald's

[@favlam1408]

all the insane long list of homeworks that Chinese kids were being assigned everyday. That's enough to teach them the appeal of cheat at an early age.

[@nr655321]

5000 years of cheating.

[@tomsuh1362]

So are you rich and successful now that you never cheat in your life?

[@allanagoldman5613]

I remember back in 2009 in Algonquin College (Canada). All Chinese student had answers to the exams ahead of time.

[@clarkisaac6372]

The Chinese students those who are acted directly as the CCP.

[@brooklynknite]

This has been going on for years, but the question is why are they saying something now.

[@rattata30]

Well of course how will they pass any writing form if they can’t even speak a full English phrase!

[@noniboo1521]

Thank You!!

[@ReKP_]

Even in games and food related things these mfs cheat.

[@sweettina2]

Go home. America: No Vacancies.

[@aowi7280]

You see this in industry too. They have no concept of intellectual property, or ownership. Why do you thin hacking is so common? Easier to steal a design than to design it your self.

[@Raphanne]

This has been going on for so long. I remember hearing about this scandal from my homecountry (France) in the 90's. They were paying heads of department large sums of money to obtain a Master's degree or PhD without even speaking any French.

[@Young-io5yt]

Those heads of Department were obviously White People. These same People are quick to apply he rules to others but they have no good morals themselves

[@yslee1401]

As with CCP, integrity is at the bottom of the stack

[@jessejames8900]

Honesty is below that.

[@Gsoda35]

and the leadership is at the top? I see a problem there.

[@willb9259]

My daughters in high school and she told me everyone cheats and the teachers know it. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@nethbt]

EVERYTHING under the sun can be ChatGPT'd these days

[@beulahland12]

I Thought they were so SMARTER than everyone else?

[@sunb678]

Yeah, just copying things like a robot without thinking about it isn't smart.

[@ardvar2585]

I heard story where the guy presented his ID to enter the exam, but handed them the wrong ID, so he pulled out a stack of IDs and started sorting through them in front of the staff member.

[@gaiayugi]

Suprisingly the Chinese students and Chinese never end up homeless across America

[@sans3go342]

you need money to study overseas. These are kids of millionaires. The entire Australian Higher education system is funded by Chinese Internationals

[@fack1002]

👀 really.?there are some. I saw one who asked for help to get back home to the mainland.

[@meangreen6044]

Scammers have connections to CCP money and money laundering with exporting US goods to China stealing goods and intellectual property

[@meangreen6044]

@@sans3go342exactly, they have the money to buy their way into education and jobs but they cry black people don’t qualify for things when they worked from poverty while Chinese just buy into everything

[@katherinelok7689]

That's not true. There are a lot of homeless chinese ppl in nyc. Most is bc their kids don't want them. Took all their money and then abandon them. I saw my high school chinese teacher digging in the garbage for food. I felt terrible.

[@A350Airways]

Also, let's not forget how AI might make it easier to fake competence in some workplaces in the future...

[@jamesneveaux4892]

Obviously the majority of these students are graduates of the 'Justin Trudeau School of Ethics'.

[@PLuMUK54]

Before retirement, I taught 11-18 year old pupils at a school near to a university popular with post-graduates from abroad. Most brought their families with them, and many of their children attended our school. When they first arrived, the children from East Asia, who usually spoke English at a high level, were well behaved. However, they quickly felt that they were falling behind their English peers. They were so-used to the rote learning of facts that they could not cope with being asked to think. They could pour out vast amounts of fact but were unable to come up with ideas of their own. Consequently, their behaviour deteriorated, cheating increased, and they developed a dismissive attitude towards others in the class. Only their rote learning was valued, and ideas were a waste of time. Thankfully, because they were often with us for two or more years, they began to see the value of ideas and became enthusiastic in lessons. However, under stress, the cheating reappeared. It was ingrained in the psyche. I often wonder how they reintegrated into school once they returned home, and they had to learn that facts were the main objective in education.

[@bolladragon]

Imagine just barely missing the cut for an Ivy League school and discovering half the exchange students that got accepted got kicked out because they pay for ghost writers and are actually stupid.

[@tomsuh1362]

You should worry about DEI and affirnative action in your own school and work place. These foreigners have to pay while your own native citizen cheats their way from the bottom to the top for free.

[@funpau7549]

Imagine how much more they would find if Universities and police departments send undercover writers to these ghostwriter companies. 😮

[@bokurakyomoikiteru6130]

penalty 250k only? too cheap and lenient.. make it 888mil or life sentence without parole or both... you'll see the cases will reduce significantly......

[@alimfuzzy]

Yep, really common in Australia. When i was doing my degree you'd see a huge bunch of chinese students the first week (probably a third to just under half the class of about 300) and never see them again. One year in our final project, a Chinese student tried to bribe me to give him a higher % grade of our team project, that he never turned up for.

[@newo8343]

Lmfao turns out they ain't as smart as they say

[@dcc70]

If they are, they wouldn't have to resort to IP theft

[@ThoughfulBastions]

I have talked to a lot of students in mainland. After a few years I they finally figured it out talking with me. They are cheating to finish a task as quick as possible. They are not are there to learn. BA>MS>PhD Those are just milestones to cheat past, not to learn for. Total cultural difference. To be honest it's tests that have failed them. The tests have nurtured a factory mindset.

[@johntaphouse5235]

they clearly weren't studying... just what were they doing

[@marknoble980]

They were illegally working

[@tinthaung7118]

And cheating.

[@utoob7361]

imagine a doctor or engineer who cheated their way through college. beware !!!

[@audreyandlinCompany]

That would explain a lot of the "fails" in China, wouldn't it?

[@EIEIO47]

How spies are here!

[@edwinholcombe2741]

Many years ago while at college I had a job on camus that brought me into contact with many international students. So many tried to bribe me to write papers for them and the instances of cheating was mind blowing.

[@midimusicforever]

This is one of the consequences of cultural revolution!

[@tomsuh1362]

Waht do you know about cultural revolution? If you know what it is why are your country so woke and people general accept it as coll especially Gen Z.

[@infusedj9498]

when i went to college for computer engineering i offered the international students from india and china help if they needed it, as i knew how hard it can be to be a foreigner in a strange land and then went to the bathroom. i came back to a good fraction of the class huddled around my laptop and emailing all of my code to themselves. when i worked out exactly what the hell i was looking at i walked over and slammed the laptop shut on their fingers and dragged it to the professor and told them what happened and opened the laptop to show him the draft. he took the laptop, deleted the draft and nothing ever came of it. that was at mohawk college in ontario canada almost a decade ago, and i have zero doubt that the majority of each class claiming to be opressed minorities has only gotten exponentially worse since the pervasive woke culture gives them way too many chances and excuses. i'm inuit and never used it as a shield or sword to defend my failings or attack someone for pointing out a flaw of my own. i pray that more people conduct themselves as i do but it's got to be a futile prayer...

[@makeshift722]

U.S. Observer: U.S. students are "Unimpressive" compared to other developed and even developing countries study finds 👎 'One of the biggest cross-national tests is the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), which every three years measures reading ability, math and science literacy and other key skills among 15-year-olds in dozens of developed and developing countries. The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science. 🤭 -Pew Research Center

[@tomsuh1362]

yes, Dumb and Dumber complains about other gaming the system while they lives in povety.

[@georgehollingsworth2428]

This has been a problem for a number of years in Graduate School as well. At the university I attended we caught Doctoral and Graduate students plagiarizing papers all of the time.

[@barbiegirll7299]

Harvard and wuhan China are connected

[@tomsuh1362]

Yet you will want to get into Harvard if you have a chance.

[@RUHappyATM]

LOL. What's with the Denim-jacketed guy looking at the mixed "duo" at 2:41?