Shocking Fail: Sig Cross [6.5 Creedmoor]

[@nutnfancy]

Hi TNPrs! Project still strong and working hard thanks to TNP Patreon. This review again proves my independence from all the manufacturers; there's no payoffs to me as it's always been. Support me in this! Also remember TNPP gets the videos first and some never post on the main channel! Here's some TNPr comments from Patreon, join the fun and full flow of TNP contenwww.patreon.com/Nutnfancyt: "Bretti Andrettski WOW where's the Sig R and D / QC department B4 they start shipping their rifles to the general public. 1d Marcus Corvino Wait, Sig has a broken trigger? No way! ....320 garbage 1d Bretti Andrettski The Covid Sean? NOOOOOOO. I told you to stay away from downtown Portland's mostly peaceful fireworks display/riots which you know are super spreaders. Joking aside Sean I hope you kick this virus crap quickly and recover fully my brother. 3 1d The Nutnfancy Project He's doing great already and he says thanks for caring! 1 1d idahopreparedness.com I'll stick with my Bergara. What's that you say? It weighs 2 more pounds? Do some push-ups! Lose 5 pounds! Don't be such a puss! 2 1d The Nutnfancy Project Nice take on SAWC...I agree! You're too funny idahoprep 4 1d Benson Huntley Well ... with a completely new platform that has never been tried before there were bound to be problems that were not evident in initial testing. That being said a trigger that just goes off by touching the bolt is a code red issue. Share the heck out of this so that nobody dies from it. Imagine a dude pulls the trigger on a deer and nothing happens but the deer runs off. Then he lays the rifle across his lap and it goes off. No telling where that round went. Sorry but hard pass for me. 1 1d Jamie Ayers Great video!!!! Lots of potential. 1 1d Red dog 1 Love caring the 365XL.. it’s awesome. Good choice Nutn. I also love the 6.5 creed. 1 1d JD Second video in a row won’t play :( 1d David Goodridge Thank you. Glad you found this problem, not by someone having a terrible accident. Prayers for Sean 1d Hugh Amlett Nutn, I believe Sig actually copied The Fix by Q with this gun, so not entirely original, but more affordable 1 1d Scott Reichard Tired of computer and car and gun companies letting comsumers be the final testing group. Dont buy new designs. Ever.. give the guns a chance to fail on someone else.. I bought a new beretta A400 extreme with kick off. A 2200 dollar shotgun for clays and trap and learning to see if I liked the sports. Ten shots in my barrel inside near the choke exploded.. took beretta a year to replace my 5 day old brand new gun. They had a huge number of bad barrels. That was terrible customer service. At the time I owned only that one brand new shotgun. Bad gun companies are bad news. No more beretta dt 10 or 11 for me.. not after that treatment. Sticking with 725 browning and a backup for me. Sig guns are very expensive .. hope they get the problem resolved fast. But sig is another company that customers seem to come last... sad 1 1d The Nutnfancy Project Sig is already in touch with me on this gun, they're freaking out about it. They said they haven't had this problem in any other Cross; I believe them. So I will Matt, it's owner ship it back and get it fixed. I still think the Cross is awesome and will be a huge winner. BUT I have to share the data and why the review was cut short. I appreciate the story on Beretta, once again proving it's all gun companies that have done. We should be in their corner though b. w/o them we are defenseless! 4 1d Load 2 replies Ned Butcher Can't watch the vid, says can't load link. 1d The Nutnfancy Project Sorry about that Ned and Mike. I just checked it on my iPhone and is playing A OK. I didn't do anything different in this video. I doubt YT is jacking with it; they'd send a notification. Can you try a diff browser or app? It's definitely working in the computer environment too. 1d Mike Maddox Nothing beats real world testing it will bring out the gremlins in any product. 1d Michael Rodman Same as the Ruger AR556 this video won’t play on my iPhone app. 1d Tacticaldoodle It's not playing in patreon for me either, gotta follow the link and watch through YT either in their app or another overlay. Have been diggin' Newpipe for droid at least. Works okay. 1 1d Scott Reichard Any company can have a machining failure. Or one bad part.. safety ends with the man that loads the round.. but the gun hopefully will be a great design and build. I have a sig 716 and 556 and a pair of 516's and four p220's and another pile of various sig p pistols. So I am not anti sig.. I just saw a bunch of mpx reviews with problems associated with can use.. i am glad sig is serious about this. Nuttn we still need to support gun companies.. and I do. Some companies are far more responsive than others. 1 1d The Nutnfancy Project "Nuttn we still need to support gun companies" Amen and I do make that pretty clear in this GRV. The gun companies are under assault from all sides; we can note a testing deficiency which is appropriate here and then move on...just like the P365. 1 1d Scott Reichard Seperate subject a bit.. my best gun company customer service experience was with an ed brown 1911. The barrel link pin came out.. and it still is captured and functioned. But i happened to let them know maybe when i was ordering a new spring. And the head of the shop called and asked me to send the barrel. They would pin and stake it for me.. so i did. He commented that my pistol has many rounds and that they often stake parts further for competition used pistols. Most folks never run that number of rounds. Very very great service and concern . The shop manager wanted my gun perfect.. because it left his shop. Thought people might want to know.. scott 1d The Nutnfancy Project Good to know, score one for Ed Brown service 1d Joshua Wilson Same issue as a few others. I’ve been unable to watch this video, along with the Ruger AR video. I’ll try on my laptop later and see if that works. 1 1d Eric Wow, that trigger problem is pretty huge. 3 1d Matt Post this stuff on Rumble dude. It seems stable, well built, and MONETIZED! 2 1d The Nutnfancy Project I am looking at that platform...maybe I'll post this video there and see how it does. 2 1d Ol Retired Fed I remember your problems with the Ruger SR9. I had issues with mine when the slide lock spring kept falling off. Sent it to Ruger and had it back fixed in 4 days for free as it was still under warranty. Their letter stated they ran 50 rounds through it after the repair. I have never had another problem with it. Wished they still made it. The best companies will fix their failures. 1 1d J Ram And that's why I'm a Ruger fan boy....their customer service has been above and beyond anytime I've dealt with them even when it was something that I did to cause the breakage. 10h Outrider950 It refuses to play. ☹️ 1d Connor Burns You're right about the video. People want to see the new stuff and like the more premium companies 1d Maciej Bakun First thing - I used to not care about weight on my guns but have come way around to your way of thinking and reconfigured my go to AR to lose some weight. But on this thing - it’s not going to be a competition gun in PRS. I shoot PRS and weight is your friend. Balance with heavy 26” M40 profile barrels is your friend. A lightweight 18” bolt gun will not be easy to shoot and anybody trying to shoot it in PRS will quickly realize that. 1d Jerome J wow, that's no good. 1 1d Outrider950 Will you please do a follow up. I am really interested to hear what Sig finds. 3 1d Carl Agbayani I agree with what you said in the video Nutnfancy. Sig should be testing these new guns more and they probably need a more comprehensive QA. The Cross is still on the list for purchase, Cross or that S&W Performance Center 6.5. 1d David and Elizabeth You said it all, Nutn. And good job, Sig. 👏 Keep innovating while owning up to any issues and you will gladly be forgiven. 👨‍👩‍👧❤ 1d Joshua Shawala Heard of stuff like this but never saw it happen until now. Only on the Nutnfancy Project. Thanks for the great review! Phake A'Count You don't see that everyday. ...Or maybe you guys do. 22h Paul Griech Are you serious holy crap I’m not sold on sig there pumping out too many different styles of guns! I work in manufacturing and that tells me there quality department has a weak link. 1 20h The Nutnfancy Project I don't know if it's just this gun or a problem with their QC but this gun is dangerous!"

[@mgabriel2636]

Watching this is priority 1, over the erupting nuclear war.

[@itreehorsenumber3]

Would you be interested in testing a 5.45 Galil Ace pistol?

[@tigersnipez3847]

So this is just a cheaper version of the fix from Q with a sketchy trigger, interesting

[@ig33ku]

Looks like combo of the bolt interference with the safety and trigger?

[@YoureSoVane]

Sig still hasn't done a full recall on their P320s that have been dealing with the same problem for over 4 years.

[@ambee514]

Sig just recalled the rifle so they can fix this issue. They specifically said it was because of an “online video” thanks Nutnfancy!

[@nutnfancy]

www.sigsauer.com/blog/safety-recall-notice-sig-sauer-cross-bolt-action-rifle Yup. They were pretty quick this time. -Doodle

[@brighthought11]

I just saw this in my lgs, thought it was really unique, I liked it, guess I should go with the bergara hmr pro in 308?? first bolt action.

[@OnPointFirearms]

"Fix" the issue.

[@joshuamcguire2423]

Wasn't his video, he copied like he always does

[@huntertice3883]

Heh, "fix"

[@panzerabwerkanone]

SIG outsourced the trigger to Remington. Maybe.

[@MrHav1k]

Explains it all!!

[@birds5148]

I had the same thought. Remember the m700 issues 😂

[@TheGunCollective]

Thank you for documenting this. I'm going to put this in TGC News this coming week. This is important for folks to see.

[@hardtarget2359]

Go get 'em John!

[@ATKR45]

Thanks John, I used to watch Nutnfancy's video all the time, but there's a lot more content creators out nowadays, including yourself.

[@joshmajor8662]

Hell yeah!!! Where’s this weeks video?? Lol I’m guessing you mentioned it in today’s video?

[@laynesellers]

Is it named Cross because you gotta keep your fingers crossed?

[@mchwes3]

Good one!

[@laytonaschauer3675]

🤣

[@evilsd9]

Lol

[@erozion8211]

A cross is what they'll put over your grave when you die from this true to be 'accidental discharge'

[@ctdvargas]

great burn right h ere!

[@Mrgunsngear]

proud patreon supporter here!

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

*Tips Hat* ^.-.^

[@mitch622]

You're gross, dude.

[@jonahpatton8879]

mitch schwering thanks for the words of wisdom Mitch Schwering.... lol

[@TheSkankintoe]

Cool that you support nf. The o.g. gun guru

[@Lostlife656]

How are you not verified? KZbin being a bitch as usual?

[@danielseamons4198]

28:00 is where a serious problem is shown.

[@joelerk6298]

Thanks

[@SomeGuysg]

damn .... How does that even pass the drawing board?

[@mysterc2862]

Thank you

[@liberaceboiithe3rd5]

Jesus Christ tells us to watch start to finish for a 45 minute video, who has that time? Just tell us what the problem is goddamn

[@brettcleveland6335]

Thankyou

[@willyghost2213]

I don’t have time to watch all of your videos, but I just felt like leaving a comment to say that when making a firearm purchase you are still my first and usually last reference point. Been watching your videos since ~2007!

[@boomerisadog3899]

I like Nutn for his honesty but he's just one data point. He may get the only gun to leave the factory fully functional or the only one to have problems.

[@SuperAdam629]

That trigger is just dangerous period. That is negligent and unforgivable from a household manufacturer

[@justinwilliams7148]

I was actually looking into getting a SIG P320 once the gun rush was over because I didn't believe people who said their gun was going off in the holster. Now I'm not sure.

[@seven1six]

@@justinwilliams7148 gun rush, over? You missed that by 6 years sir. :)

[@fatheroftheclyde]

@Feral Man Early P365s had issues as well. Get a recent production if you can.

[@bmagada]

They have one rifle. This is not a widespread issue

[@bmagada]

@@justinwilliams7148 because of one fail from a completely different gun with a sample size of one? Even if it were more than one, they're completely different systems

[@jojo170571]

Your video just caused sig to recall every single cross rifle...

[@stevewilson4514]

My high end precision rifle started having trigger problems in the first month or so. It was intermittent like what you’re seeing here. Sometimes the firing pin wouldn’t stay cocked when you closed the bolt. Sometimes you’d pull the trigger and it wouldn’t release. I contacted the manufacturer and they told me that the issue was nylon fragments coming off the threads on the set screws used in the trigger mechanism. The fragments were able to move around enough to cause it to be intermittent. The fragments of nylon apparently peel on the screws when you adjust the trigger weight, or over travel. So they made a Gen 2 to correct the issue. They shipped me a new one and that was the end of the issue.

[@nutnfancy]

That sounds pretty likely. Thanks for the heads up! -doodle

[@stevewilson4514]

I guess you could say the trigger was FOD’ed, if that theory proves to be true. I thought you’d like that reference out of respect to your service in the Air Force sir. Keep up the good work👍🏻

[@xseaofgreen420x]

Sig announced recall on FB about 20 min ago.

[@tygre7]

That trigger is a disaster! LOL (From the makers of the P365 Gen 1, 2, and 3 and the drop-and-bang P320.) Get it together, Sig.

[@nutnfancy]

Indeed

[@user-xj3mo2lx9z]

Oh so this isnt a good rifle? i was wanting to get a Sig Cross in 308.

[@calholli]

@@user-xj3mo2lx9z Just watch the video.

[@doclogic]

Sounds like another safety issue to me, just like the 365. Something loose in the safety or it not letting the trigger going into fire.

[@hobbyoftheday4017]

And was it the mpx that could be reassembled incorrectly and break itself as a result?

[@ConorDAberle18]

Honestly have been hoping and praying for you to review this one. This will indeed go nuclear. Thanks for all you do Nutn!

[@grabir01]

Just get a Tikka and be done with it.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

Tikka can step into the market that Remington bailed out of.

[@RickyBobby1192]

100% they already have the tac A1 which is a phenomenal starting precision rifle and you can take any CTR, Tikka action and make a gun that would shoot circles around giving SIG any money.

[@TheCoolbreeze45]

Amen. Taken the 308 out to 1500M +

[@BillyTheKidder]

Just finished spending around 8-10 hours all together editing some wedding footage, all from one day and occasion. I respect the amount of effort it takes to produce this content Nut’n.

[@Speedy2G]

This video as of 11.25.2020 has now made SiG Sauer call for a massive recall on these rifles.. damn TNP.. saved our ass on another suspect rifle

[@joeyjones9041]

"Hey Sig, from TNP to you, damn, hire someone like me. Don't hire me, I don't want to be hired by you." Lmao, Nutnfancy gold right there lol, Cracked me up.

[@julianstolz3987]

Oh, Sig... I'm not remotely surprised.

[@rideordietheyretring2tranx382]

There is no way I could ever trust Sig... Sorry but you can open a box pull out a Glock and not have any worries and be absolutely ready... Military contracts or not they just do not produce product at a standard that you would ever want to do anything other than play at the range

[@jaysmith9496]

I had a competition 226 years ago that had the slide crack.... enough said and haven’t purchased another sig product since.

[@someguy5444]

Glock can be comp ready for less then sig stock 😂

[@calholli]

so you're locally surprised?...

[@calholli]

@@rideordietheyretring2tranx382 I wasn't aware that Glock made a bolt action.

[@oldannyboy37]

Looks very interesting and worthwhile....In a year or two after other people have already Beta tested it for Sig. Sig has some innovative and impressive products, but they always expect the end user to be their end QC testers.

[@andrewmoore7586]

SO NOT Cool..!! Firstly, I/i AM a 62-Yr. Old, US Army Vet (11B & 35D [went to OCS Commissioned Company Grade Officer: FYI & just to ‘set the stage’: 1989-95) Rifle-Fixed Blade Kinda Guy. Kinda! NOT so much pistol.. While my AR’s are POF Gen IV Edge P415/Wilson Combat 6.8 SPC AR-15/ PSA 5.56 AR - justification for my backup PSA [2-is-1 & 1-is-ventilated]. That being said, my only 2 pistols are both Sig’s: P220 .45 ACP & P226 .40 S&W., therefore I love what Sig’s done w/ those two, ergo (Of Course) why I bought them and will never sell/trade them away… Further, a few of my Blades are: 1. Busse TGULB Comp Finish INFI Steel w/ Nuclear Meltdown..; 2. Winkler II S.A.R. in 80CrV2..; 3. Spartan Blades Horkos in CPM S45VN..(The FEEL, Fit-n-Finish, Beveled Edges, ..it’s literally Sublime in the hand - this is THE Best Fixed-Blade Knife, E-V-E-R.., bar NONE..!!) & 4.& 5. MicroTech SOCOM ALPHA in M390 steel & MicroTech Arbiter in 204P, think M390 SS..; 6. TOPS Operator Seven in 1070 High Carbon steel..; AND 7. An RMJ Eagle Talon Tomahawk in 80CrV2 Steel and it’s truly Dangerous SHARP. The heft of it’s head w/ the multi-edged Razor sharp cutting surfaces will put ‘THE FEAR Of THE LORD in YOU ~ if it isn’t already…🇺🇸 PS: Apologies for my long-windedness.., BUT I Love my rifles & blades. #2A 🇺🇸

[@johnband3]

Its nice to know that some companies are making precision rifles that fairly affordable to the normal shooter, without breaking the bank. Thanks for sharing.

[@TheDandyMann]

Sig shouldnt be freaking out, they should just investigate the issue and then fix it.

[@snaker9er]

Unless someone gets killed by the issue like the Remington 700 and they pay out 500m

[@SLFYSH]

If SIG is consistent with their behavior with thr 365, they will deny anything is wrong for at least a year and not fix it until they are overwelmed with negative press. Then they'll fix it for future models and pretend there was nothing ever wrong with it.

[@justjimmy4171]

It’s hard to part with $1400 only to be given something that could kill a family member due to the negligence of a company that just took over a thousand dollars from you. I get it. It will be a simple fix, but still.

[@CallsignWulf]

@@justjimmy4171 If you follow at least one of the firearm safety rules at all times, you won't have an issue. It would still be you killing said family member due to negligence. Even if it goes off by itself, don't store it loaded, and don't wave it around in directions where people are. Not that I'm giving the manufacturer any excuses. The gun should be good to go. But properly working trigger or not, negligence kills.

[@Ratkill9000]

@@CallsignWulf Yeah no kidding. That's why those lawsuits against Remington were unfounded BS. If people had the decency to not have the muzzle in a compromising position, then maybe loved ones would not have been killed. It's a freaking piece of machinery, it can and will have issues.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

At this point in the project it’s a wonder that the Army didn’t just send Nutn a 19x and a P320 with a note “Let us know what the desert does to these.”

[@1yehny]

Actually, Tim from MAC is best at finding lemons. My two cents worth...

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

@@1yehny Mac seems like a good dude. But nutn isn’t sponsored by federal/big daddy unlimited/whoever. Nutn is a guaranteed quantity biased only by his experience

[@werunguns]

Sitting at home watching this in my “Fear no Evil’ TNP shirt and my jaw is dropping from this Sig malfunction!

[@SHOOTSHOW00]

Maybe "Q" can "FIX" the trigger? Maybe SIG should have copied the FIX trigger too!

[@rambocambo75]

Damn right. That trigger is definitely a selling point of “The Fix”.

[@seanterry5411]

Q was actually the one who copied the patents and schematics of the Cross, they just produced the rifle first.

[@garrett8947]

@@seanterry5411 yeah that didn’t happen bro

[@anonypersona3189]

@@seanterry5411 I don't think Q or Sig infringed on each other's patents.... otherwise it would have been an easy lawsuit. Where are the patents you mention?

[@overly101]

@@seanterry5411 Kevin Brittingham worked at Sig and attempted to have Sig approve the Fix. Sig simply did not want to pursue the idea. Kevin B left Sig to start Q and his team developed the Fix from their own licensed patent within 6 months of leaving Sig. The fix was announced in late 2017 and released in early 2018 long before the cross was even thought of. Sig produced the cross to compete with the fix. Q wont legally go after Sig because at the end of the day the industry needs to learn to stop eating its own. True story have a good one.

[@GearKnowHow]

Sig just announced a safety recall for this exact issue after "watching an online video"...I wonder who that could have been?? Great video review as always man!

[@Big6Duke]

No is was "Q" rifles vidoe

[@secret5.]

A ruger predator in 6.5 w/ 22" barrel is only around 6.5lbs. Its a $500 gun and can make sub moa shots at 500yards on regular old $1/rd federal ammo. I get it doesn't look as cool as this but I'm not seeing the point of spending an extra $1000.

[@calholli]

Pistol grip... folding adjustable stock... .... uummmm.. I'm out of ideas.. lol

[@unkulwilly]

@@calholli not everyone is allowed those options. Sad truth.

[@secret5.]

@@calholli For a "tactical" sporting rifle, I see the point of those things. A bolt action rifle that is all about accuracy in a light package, what's the point? We're talking about a rifle you're probably going to sling over your shoulder, even at a collapsed 27" you're not putting it in a backpack. Pistol grip is a preference, for long range accuracy I don't find it beneficial, but 🤷🏼‍♂️ Ruger has the same thing with their precision line, you're paying $1000 upcharge for a stock and hand-guard.

[@GhetovisionYelawolf]

Nutn you should test the Fix by Q

[@HowieMP1522]

Yes test the Fix after pulling it through the sand for a week as well.

[@stephanieandjared390]

Id bet on the fix running 110%

[@johnneill5960]

I respect it when someone comes out and poo poo's one of these products instead of always kissing the Manufacturers ass.... I agree with you I dig the idea of a light weight hunting , precision style folding rifle at that price point but not if it sux .... I can't wait to get my hands on the new Springfield waypoint and hope it turns out to be what I'm thinking it is . At 6.5 lbs it looks great . BTW I watched Garand Thumb do the same thing with the LWRC SMG-45 that everyone was salivating over that cost upwards of 3G and I believe he called it dangerously inaccurate. I respect that .

[@StevenL00]

the smg 45 thing seems to be either a design flaw or a qc one, since even in daddy's account not everyone he talked to was having these issues, but yeah it's quite respectable he talked about everything very honestly

[@mikemantho9426]

Not a Patreon yet, just got a job after 7 months, but I watch almost every video you make Nutn; love all the content. Thanks!

[@jason-ge5nr]

I thought that was click bait until you rolled the footage. I'm not sure if the guy you borrowed the gun from should be happy or sad. I hope sig owns the problem.

[@Evergreen1400]

If he’s anything like me he’d be crying at how dirty they hit it but he’s obviously not like me because I’d Never loan my shit out to anyone let alone someone who’s going to beat it to shit to find any breaking points.

[@9999plato]

You rock Nutnfancy. I know I can watch old videos but I do miss Allie the mountain dog on your outdoor adventures.

[@joeyoung4871]

Me too

[@MountainBoy99]

@@joeyoung4871 is this the same Joe Young from CO I used to know?

[@joeyoung4871]

@@MountainBoy99 no srry boss im not the cool

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Wow, that's a serious safety flaw, someone could get seriously injured or killed

[@rcurt9984]

Ya... if they are standing directly in front of a loaded rifle.

[@anonypersona3189]

@@rcurt9984 Not necessarily, bullets ricochet or if shot at an angle can travel a ways (over a backstop let's say). This flaw is detrimental - hence the recall. I could easily see someone try to fire it, find that the trigger is stuck, point the rifle up a bit (over backstop for a split second), then try to unload the rifle by hitting the bolt, then BOOM. Then there are those acting completely "safe" and still end up injured because it fired out of battery (OOBM). Imagine a Fury round firing out of battery... and you say it's no big deal since you're not "standing directly in front of a loaded rifle." Anyone with half a brain can understand how a gun firing uncommanded can be extremely dangerous.

[@rcurt9984]

@@anonypersona3189 When did i say it wasn't dangerous. If i squeeze and no bang...im clearing the round and the mag and done shooting it. The guy in the video kept firing the weapon after he confirmed the weapon was faulty, but your lecturing me on gun safety. Thanks for the advice.

[@anonypersona3189]

@@rcurt9984 Read your first response again, you implied that this malfunction was only dangerous if you are "standing directly in front of a loaded rifle." Totally not true...

[@rcurt9984]

@@anonypersona3189 i have no desire to argue with you. The clown in the video kept attempting to fire the weapon after several malfunctions. You want to sit here and argue richochets and stupid shit when these rifle are firing out to 700 yards. It's simple... if the rifle doesn't go bang... keep it pointed down range... drop the mag... eject the round... take it offline... if you disagree... kindly f*** off.

[@JohnZ556]

Got one from the first batch, soon found out about this issue, tested it myself, nothing went wrong. A few mounts later, they send me packaging and shipping label, 'upgraded' (since nothing wrong w/ mine) for free, got it back about a week w/ a free 'Hunt like a warrior' cap. So for me personally, it did add some concern, but actually nothing wrong and outstanding performance, overall it's just awesome.

[@brandondubisky4740]

Saw a guy shooting one at the range a few weeks ago. That thing is sick!

[@brandondubisky4740]

30 minutes in now... this didn't age well! Lol

[@tm1182]

@@brandondubisky4740 lmao

[@RockawayCCW]

Perfect timing on this video. I was just thinking about buying a 6.5 Creedmore because all my local shops have 6.5 ammo on the shelf.

[@jorgeruiz9036]

Thanks for the review 👍🏽 I’ve learned my lesson from the p320 to just wait awhile after they release new product.

[@TruthBearerMinistry]

Thanks Nutnfancy, seems SIG must have seen your video and recalled their rifles right away. I placed a deposit on one BEFORE seeing your video. Thanks for being a voice for us and thanks for your service and being a great voice to the community.

[@Frostbight118]

A lot of competition shooters shoot out their barrels quick and have to change them anyway, so it makes sense for companies to start making it easier to swap bolt gun barrels

[@farmerbrown84]

SIG has a history of offering barrel change and multi-calibre options, and then not allowed it in the first generation of product and then not producing any options in later generations. If you see SIG offer "quick change" anything, do not assume it will be there.

[@ameritus9041]

@@farmerbrown84 most competition shooters I know use after market custom barrel manufacturers anyway so sig not offering factory options doesn't really matter.

[@farmerbrown84]

@@ameritus9041 Of course, but that's a totally different thing to offering a quick change or caliber swap system. Nowadays on high end tactical rifles, it's a thing (Sako M10, AI AXMC, Voere, FN Ballista, Barrett MRAD, Blaser Tac-2, etc). But SIG have a history of marketing it and never delivering.

[@tolber6]

I waited and waited for one of these and changed my mind and bought a Christensen MPR. Truly happy in every way with it. I truly think you need an CA MPR to test it is a carbon cross with even better accuracy, folding stock and all. Get ahold of me if you can’t find one TNP.

[@xXCaptCrackerXx]

Here comes Sig with a "voluntary upgrade" email Nutn.

[@TripleAAA53]

Exactly the same thing happened to me with a Blaser .300 WM in Zimbabwe 1998 ABSOLUTELY frustrating and DANGEROUS !! Gun FIRED every time working the bolt without touching the trigger.

[@ph4tboy]

Damn, you'd think with a high end rifle like a Blaser something like that just isn't on the cards. Very lucky no ND.

[@ryanferrari3737]

I’m still ordering one even with the minor set back from the trigger. That is a multi purpose platform that fits all my needs! Although I am probably going to go with the .308 win just for availability on ammo selections and would not need a shot over 500 yds. Great honest review once again from you! Thank you for all you do

[@Live_Outdoors]

Thumbs up if TGC news got you here. Thanks Nutnfancy for getting this out to us.

[@junglebrutalitydeath]

Great review Nutn

[@nutnfancy]

My humble thanks

[@thesickening0169]

2A Advocates: "Guns don't just go off by themselves." Sig: "Hold my fucken beer...."

[@Rossco139]

Sig didnt get all their heads together to come up with this gun. Q came up with it (formerly of sig), so sig copied it.

[@fnxtugboat3541]

also formally Remington who also tried to copy it.

[@benjamin3290]

Exactly

[@MajorMalphunction]

I was literally about to pay for the gun when my buddy called me and referenced your video and I ended up cancelling my DROS. Thanks for your video! -Long time subscriber

[@nateweter4012]

Start reviewing single engine GA aircraft. That would be sweet.

[@jamesbreitbart7246]

I would love this.

[@jcnikoley]

This was on my short list for a new PR. I’m glad I pulled the trigger on a different one.

[@absolutekaraokedjAus]

I would so love to own one of these but in Australia we have ridiculous appearance laws and because it kinda looks like and AR and it has a folding stock we still can’t own it even though it’s a bolt action.

[@calholli]

Wow... and judging by some of the press conferences down there talking about your crazy lock downs.. you guys seem to be overdue for a revolution, even worse than we are.

[@ApurtureSci]

Crazy. I hate our UK gun laws but at least appearance has nothing to do with what's prohibited or not. Provided they fix the trigger issue, I'll probably get a 16" .308

[@darkcircles3]

You can get the fix here in Oz... it’s just NSW law that won’t allow a folding stock. Add QLD law of no suppressor... it really curtails ones joy!!

[@absolutekaraokedjAus]

@@darkcircles3 hi. Yeh. I’m in WA and we can’t have folding either. Or anything that even remotely resembles and AR15.

[@darkcircles3]

@@absolutekaraokedjAus Unelected bureaucrats making such laws ...require a class action. Unfortunately we don’t have an NRA to represent the consumer. Divide and conquer ... the last paragraph of the legislation is the clincher : www.alrc.gov.au/publication/protections-from-statutory-encroachment-12/ Somewhere in protection for vested property rights there is scope to litigate against the state for suppression of your liberties. [www.alrc.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ir_127ch_7_property_rights.pdf] See 7.8 arbitrary deprivation And on the very last page: 210 Traditional Rights and Freedoms- Encroachments by Commonwealth Laws 7.140 There are many laws and regulations that interfere with property rights. There are grounds for probing the current laws on what is adjudicated. It is an arbitrary deprivation of your property right to limit such equipment, and hard to believe that some bureaucrats grievance to its legality can be lawful curtailed due to their opinion of the look of it. Such interpretations don’t fall within the public interest (the limited ownership doesn’t cover vast swathes of men and women’s health) and solely pertain to a bureaucrats power and whimsy. If only their were an entity that was forthrightly enough to take on the powers that be. Peace ✌🏻

[@eesqueda20]

Finally a REAL review. Thank you I've been waiting for this one.

[@milescivis1018]

Sig New Hampshire -> strikes again Had a very similar thing happen with a Spanish O/U shotgun I bought. Pulled the trigger...nothing. Clicked the safety back on....bang! Called to return and they reluctantly accepted it. Weeks later I emailed to see if they sorted the problem...no reply. Lol

[@jimhovater8755]

Remington's 788 bolt gun, which was/is a fantastic rifle (IF you can find one!), had a very similar issue with its trigger. Timney solved the problem.

[@Iceaxehikes]

Sig recalled them today. All of them. Your video showed them Nutn.

[@NotAMathAsian]

Sig doesn't need to hire anyone to test for them. They probably just wait for your vids to come out!

[@nutnfancy]

No doubt, the price is right with that method. They've already contacted me about this review and they're freaking out about it. I told them it still gets posted, I serve my subs and donors NOT SIg.

[@charliefoxtrot2779]

@@nutnfancy i would love to hear what their reaction is. It should be an immediate recall. Anything less is egregiously stupid.

[@ttonAb2]

@@nutnfancy Yeah with the others here, how was their response, this was on my next to purchase list

[@jmmartin7766]

My disclaimer before I watch: "I am just not a 'Sig fan'-- I'd love to be, but their products, while made from quality materials, are just too expensive for what you get. And what you get, many times, just isn't as *RELIABLE* as other maker's products in the same classes, that usually cost a *LOT* less! Now, I'm going to watch to see if TNP changes my mind... *Edited to say:* Not only did this video not 'change my mind,' *it confirmed what I already thought! That Sig is STILL relying on their paying clientele to do their R&D for them-- just like with the P365!* Savage and Ruger have similar products ( albeit *reliable OUT OF THE BOX* ) for similar prices (maybe even a couple of hundred dollars less...) Great video, TNP-- Thanks! 🖒😎

[@howard7689]

Same here, I'll lug the extra three pounds of RPR.

[@edmcwilliams6524]

Find out who Built the Trigger. Remember Remington Trigger problem. I'm Glad no one got Hurt.

[@capo3ta]

Glad to see this come up. I'm about to pull the trigger on this one in creedmoor caliber.

[@1AbominAble1]

Maybe when they ripped off Q’s design they should’ve stole the trigger/striker design too.

[@anonypersona3189]

Eh, no one should care that they "copied" Q's design. Everyone copies everyone else. How many "glock clones" are out there? Colt 1911's? AR-15's? If they are not infringing patents (which they aren't), it doesn't really matter.

[@1AbominAble1]

@@anonypersona3189 that’s true to a point, it’s when they claim that they invented the idea and found a part of the market that was untapped or lacking that bothers me more than the “clone” rifle. They used marketing for it that was also a blatant rip off of Q’s marketing which is super shady. That said, I’m watching the vid because they’re bringing the Cross in at a substantially lower price than the Fix and if it gets good reviews after the marketing hype I may pick one up, if not, I’ll save more for the Fix. TNP generally pulls no punches and I knew that if it had an issue he’d point it out whereas others are too afraid of losing a sponsorship.

[@anonypersona3189]

@@1AbominAble1 I'm sure the Cross will eventually (emphasis on that one) be a very good bolt action rifle. I don't hunt, so I have no need for it.

[@pkvillager]

What has amazed me all these years watching Nutn find issues is that he is simply shooting outside in the desert. He isnt throwing the guns around, pouring dirt or sand one them, driving over them or dragging them behind a vehicle and not throwing them in a pond for a day or two. Just shooting outside...

[@kingpin3919]

As always really appreciate the great review. I still am anxiously awaiting part 2 of CCP. Especially love when you're joined with doodle. 🤘

[@azryder5308]

Yeah I can't watch all of them but I've watched everyone you've posted a KZbin!!! Because I'm a struggling father of three. But I'm making it because I became a tradesman in the HVAC industry. Thanks to advice from someone I look up to.

[@gixxerlouis]

sig just sent out a recall on this rifle and says to discontinue use of it until there is a fix for it...incase nobody has heard it yet.

[@mrjeffjob]

I bought one before the recall. Sig sent an email and a shipping box. I had it back in about 3 weeks and love this platform. Carbon Six and Straighjacket Armory are making prefit barrels for it. I think a 6 ARC chambering and bolt face would be the perfect matched rifle and caliber combo. Akin to a lever action 30-30 and just as iconic! 😊

[@jakep111]

You should do another reading of mean comments

[@jefftuckercfii]

Great review and honesty to boot, as per usual. I've been wanting one of these rifles since I first heard of them, but I think I'll hold off for a bit to see what Sig's response is to the findings on the trigger issue. You have "the curse of the desert" up there in Utah. Down here in Nevada where I work (FS) my saying is "Where guns come to die." You are absolutely correct, the desert will find any weakness and expose it.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

29:08 That looks very similar to the problem the Remington 700 trigger had all those years ago. Sig had better fix it (and I know they will). That is the sort of defect where someone could die.

[@ttonAb2]

I agree they should fix it, but how exactly would someone die? are you barrel sweeping people with rounds in your gun on the regular? when you know its loaded are you still pointing your barrel at someone? when a round mis-fires or doesn't go off after you pull the trigger do you just toss your gun to the ground in dismay?

[@TheCoolbreeze45]

They have never been responsible on other similar failures. Super shady

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

@@ttonAb2 I agree. You should never point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy. Having a gun go off when you don't intend for it to even if you will have good muzzle discipline is not a good thing. For example, if you're tired from a long hike out in the woods while hunting, and you think you see a deer and you go to pull the trigger but the gun doesn't fire, then, one of your buddies who was also tired could accidentally walk in front of the gun just as you go to unload that live round out of the chamber and then Bang. Somebody dies. I understand it's a rare kind of situation oh, but it's not completely implausible. Bottom line, the gun should only go off when you pull the trigger and at no other time. However, as I said originally, Sig will fix this. And then this gun will be close to perfect. Anyway, sorry for the long response.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

@@TheCoolbreeze45 don't worry. Sig Sauer will fix this. They fixed the p365 and they can fix this gun too. Let's just be patient with Sig and be grateful nutnfancy is here to test guns for defects like this.

[@anonypersona3189]

@@ttonAb2 Dude, if you can't fathom how a gun that can fire uncommanded is dangerous you shouldn't own any guns. I can think of a bunch of scenarios where this could potentially get someone killed even if someone was being relatively "safe" with the gun.

[@rdgsupafli]

Just this gun at my local sportsman and I want it. Good thing it’s out of stock right now let them work out the kinks when I get it.

[@FT4Freedom]

I'm watching this video at midnight up the 4x4 trail in north Arizona by the campfire under the stars with my 30 round semiauto Biden-buster by my side. Gotta love good cell service.

[@Larry-gs8gb]

A great example of why muzzle discipline is so important. Any mechanical device can fail ( safeties,triggers etc.) .

[@loganstutz3703]

Would love to see you review the springfield waypoint. Steel barrel, not the the carbon fiber cased one.

[@the1andonlySherlock]

It's Springfield, so no matter how good it is you shouldn't buy one. Springfield deserves to go under and be forgotten.

[@halfdollar86]

@@the1andonlySherlock they have recovered well from their mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their journey through life. It’s how they recover and bounce back that is important. I too would like to see an honest review of this rifle. Even if you hate Springfield you have to respect that they are about to make manufactures step their game up. They are guaranteeing that the Waypoint will be sub 3/4 MOA. This is the first mass produced rifle that I am aware of doing this. More will follow with 3/4 MOA guarantee and better rifles at better prices.

[@Dylan-nv9sc]

@@halfdollar86 I agree with your point about Springfields past issues. I also can’t undoubtably prove they knew about the lobbying group making the deals either. It’s highly possible the people they hired to do the lobbying made the deals on their own accord without approval from Springfield or RRA. There’s actually a decent amount rifles with a .75 moa (kimber) or .5 mo guarantee (daniel defense). Some companies like rock river even offer a .75 moa guarantee on their AR’s.

[@the1andonlySherlock]

@@halfdollar86 When it comes to selling away our rights I have no capacity for forgiveness.

[@taylornutt]

Should the bolt handle move at all when the trigger is pulled? Even when the trigger worked, the bolt handle is moving when it goes off.

[@khanj42]

Sig recalled it! Stop using this rifle if you own one, until they figure out a fix!

[@coreymoyers]

Bummer and can’t wait for a follow up video with the issue identified and fixed. Sig should have you over to video it.

[@rjoshm20]

Cue the sig beta testers, AKA, the consumers. Thank you for your selfless contribution to the non existent quality control at Sig Sauer.

[@rickeco4tango33]

🙄yep🙄

[@AnimeFanatic5602]

I just managed to put together my first LR-308 build. Right around 8 pounds naked, so I figure I did alright. I started it back before all of the current craziness started, so I wasn't expecting the ammo situation to be what it is.

[@jrhunt414]

That’s a pretty dangerous failure. Damn.

[@DIRTYBILL1]

Great video. Love the honest review and testing standards. The curse of the desert will always bring out the weakness of any design.

[@212driller]

As soon as I saw the tile, I was like "Oh dayuuuuum!"

[@OvertonWindex]

Ok, watched the whole video. Still glad I got the TC compass in 6.5.

[@panzerabwerkanone]

Yeah thinking about the TC Compass myself. MOA and 1/5 the price! A trigger that is not FUBAR too.

[@OvertonWindex]

@@panzerabwerkanone it's simply perfectly fine. Fine, in every way. With my hand load testing, I've got a round worked up with R17 and Hornady 123s that shoot sub .290... that's ridiculous. All the heavier rounds I like for long range stuff I'm getting .5-.6. Absolutely fine.

[@coles.1524]

2:50 that recoil anticipation tho

[@Serenityindailylife]

I own a lot of sigs, carried on on duty, carried one in Afghanistan. Loved them all my life. That being said, they do not test non-military products enough. Even when I went to the Sig Academy all the instructors carried legacy P series pistols. The new stuff generally is not tested enough. The MCX I bought at their store broke 2 weeks after I bought it. My x-carry has had problems, my m-17 has even had a problem where it failed to fire. Sig needs to test their products, they need to seek the NTOA help with it like they used to.

[@JesterJames22]

Man I want to like Sig. Only gun that ever broke on me was my first Sig, a P227. All because they used P226 9mm parts in a .45 platform. Guess what? They no longer sell it, DISCONTINUED! Ever since that day, no more Sigs for me.

[@nickflores9775]

Man I hope to god nothing ever happens to my sigs. I realized I’m a sig fan boy just recently and I pray nothing happens to any of mine my heart would break in half

[@nathanlewis5682]

The 226 and 229 has been good to me so far. No troubles as of yet. I did remove that *insert everyone's favorite F word here* California-mandated loaded chamber indicator from top of slide because of possibly causing it to jam up. I also took out the magazine disconnect too.

[@dogbugler]

Say hey nutnfancy, thanks for the review. I must say, your honesty is the main reason for your success of your channel. Keep up the great work brother. Stay Safe, Bee Well, keep the cutlery sharp. Have been enjoying my sig M-400 E in 5.56 for many years now. Hope to buy this rifle sometime down the line.

[@Bloosee]

Add that on to the non-drop safe P320. And with the monoblock design how do you even get the damn trigger in there?

[@jeffw4942]

Just saw this Sig at the store 2hrs ago. Loved the feel, the weight. Came here as I always do to see the review. Glad I did. Think I'll wait on the Gen 11. No ammo around for it to test it. Don't need a problem right off the get go. Can't afford to waste any ammo that I might find on a rifle that is going to have an issue. Thanks for doing the leg work for me. Great video

[@nutnfancy]

If you're patient I'd bet you may find one for a good chunk of money cheaper after someone loses their interest in it. Seems like Precision rifles are one of those things people think they'll love, only to sit in the safe for a year or two until they realize they didn't have that much wood for that style of shooting. At least our stores are usually rife with some good consignment builds, optics and all. -Doodle

[@couchfighter]

Dude, lets get you toa million subs!!!

[@jonathonallen7126]

Once I had an issue that was somewhat similar to the trigger not firing when pulled. Granted, it was on an AR platform but was, like I said, similar. I can't remember what trigger it was as I was testing to find which trigger was going to live in that AR forever and I had purchased some Aguila 300 blackout for the testing as I've had great experience with the 556 Aguila in the past for other testing. Well, to get to the point of this already long story, some of the primers had popped out of the casings and become lodged under the cassette. At first, I was getting a true 2 round burst out of the rifle and I wasn't even sure I was even having an issue. But after some time the trigger started getting locked up for lack of a better term and after a couple other ammo induced issues like, 2 rounds so underloaded it wouldn't cycle the bolt and a primer that got lodged in the buffer tube which finally brought me to take the gun apart I found 2 primers stuck under the trigger. But, up to this point it just felt like the trigger was sticking, and when I'd cant the gun alittle, which was kinda natural as it was in pistol form and being that short it felt natural holding that way, it would fire normally. Just thought I'd throw in my experience with a wonky trigger since it reminded me of the awful experience. Edit: If you do happen to read this NutN, please keep us informed of what is found to be the trigger issue. Might help someone down the line. And thanks! Keep up the great content, you have a viewer for life here.

[@cragbot1]

Can you review the savage axis precision

[@e.l.robbins5614]

Glad I bought the Christensen Arms in the 6.5 PRC. Sig uses gun buyers for T&E again. I'll probably wait till Ruger rips the design off, and buy the Ruger, and they will have it in the 6.5 PRC. I like sig too. I've got 3 p365s, but they are 2 years after production started. Moral of the story; don't be the first to buy a Sig product.

[@AgileK9TopDog]

Kiss of death - "It's great when it works."

[@acesburn2390]

I'm a huge sig fan based on good designs. With that said I own original mcx, p320, and p365. All three needed to be corrected. The sig cross was high on my want list too. I would have been pissed sending it back again. I hear people joke about sig having the customers do r&d on there fire arms. Now it's holding true and hard to dispute. Why am I still a fan boy? Because they are still leading the game in bringing great designs to market.

[@lenseppanen3842]

I want Q fix No, we have q fix at home Q fix at home:

[@AndrewBeveridge461]

Yeah.......based on how fantastic my Bergara B14 Wilderness HMR is, I'd easily go for the Bergara Premier LRP 2.0 over this if I wanted a skeletonized stock, fancy schmancy looking precision rifle. Or the regular (non-premier series) B14 BMP if you want the $1200-ish price point. But frankly I'm thrilled with the Wilderness HMR in 308. Just over $1k, and shoots great right out of the box. Adjustable comb & LOP, AI pattern mags, and a stock that strikes a nice balance between classic and modern. Great paintjob too.

[@CT-Woods]

29:00 for anyone wanting to see the malfunction

[@jjfaughn]

Nutn leading the way once again! Sig just issued a recall on ALL Crosses for this very issue!

[@LaurenC1.4]

Saw that too. I wondered how long it would take for the recall notice.

[@Brimwald]

I generally say wait 3 years after release before buying new guns. Let companies work the kinks out. Sig seems to have more serious issues though, drop safety, strikers breaking, and now triggers misfiring. My old Shield had a rust issue that stiffened the mag release, but that's nowhere near as concerning as Sig issues. Still love their innovation though

[@ArmyGreensTanBoots]

What is the point of innovation if they fuck up like this? I mean, I'd rather them go back to the basics and square their shit away.

[@ryanrex7273]

I was excited to see a copy of the Q "the Fix" with a blue collar price point. I have had reservations about purchasing a Sig product, as I have had several problems with Sig products in the past, and now QC issues are being reported on the cross. I will probably wait for the Ruger to make Sig release a MK3 Cross before I buy one.

[@Johnny-jr2lq]

Bird pooping on you is a sign of good luck 🍀👍🏻

[@seanomeirs8362]

A bird pooped on my friend, so I offered him a tissue to wipe it, but he told me "Nah, it's too far away by now ".

[@mechguyver7694]

SIGs new (truthful) marketing slogan should be: "To Hell with Reliability."